bea be a busy and a good one today. will be a busy and a good one today. as ever, two hours where you can have your say on the biggest stories of the moment. this morning... from 10, the labour leader sir keir starmer will be with me to take your calls. you can ask him anything you like. get in touch now — text 85058. first off, right now until ten, farage v natwest: your account? fascinated to think what you know about this one. a huge row has broken out around the closure of mr farage's account with natwest�*s private banking arm coutts. the chief exec of natwest, dame alison rose, resigned. on her bike, out of the bank. that happened in the early hours, after admitting leaking information about mr farage to the bbc. mr farage wants more heads to roll as a warning to the banking industry.

he says he is representing tens of thousands of people up the country who have had their accounts closed. is that you, is that right, what you make of that? is it a case of i will disagree with what you say but will defend your right to say it. i disapprove what you say but i defend your right to bank wherever? the dossier on mr farage highlighted he had expressed admiration for vladimir putin, compared blm... they refer to him being described as a disingenuous grifter. what do you make of this? i would be fascinated to know, get in touch.

now deena campbell. thank you, nicky. the chief executive of natwest, dame alison rose, has stepped down after admitting being the source behind an inaccurate bbc report about nigel farage's bank account with coutts. the government had expressed "significant concerns" about her staying in the role — before she resigned. police in england will no longer attend callouts for mental health related issues, unless there is a potential crime or a threat to life. the new approach is being introduced over the next two years. but charities warn that mental health services — which are already stretched — will have to respond instead. data commissioned by the bbc shows the average number of requests to view rental properties has more than tripled since the pandemic. according to the property website rightmove, each home receives on average 20 viewing requests. a new study suggests that planking or doing wall squats could be a good way to reduce blood pressure. researchers in the uk

who analysed clinical trials say current guidance, which focuses mainly on aerobic exercises such as running and cycling, should be updated. i don't know if you have had the chance to read the a0 page dossier on nigel farage, produced for the benefit internally of coutts, natwest. but quite a lot is sourced from wikipedia and also one of the charges, if that is the right word, is that he liked a tweet by ricky gervais, or a sketch on twitter, a transjoke. he liked gervais, or a sketch on twitter, a trans joke. he liked that. gervais, or a sketch on twitter, a transjoke. he liked that. so it gervais, or a sketch on twitter, a trans joke. he liked that. so it is pretty rigorous stuff by the bank. a lot of trawling of his social media.

i just... lot of trawling of his social media. ijust... is it the very essence of a liberal society that even if there are non—liberal elements they have a right to fully function within society, if that be the allegation? call me on 08085 909693. text 85058. let's have a listen to what mr farage said this morning talking to nick robinson. i farage said this morning talking to nick robinson.— nick robinson. i was kicked out of the bank because _ nick robinson. i was kicked out of the bank because of— nick robinson. i was kicked out of the bank because of my _ nick robinson. i was kicked out of the bank because of my political l the bank because of my political views. what on earth does that have to do with the bank? theirjob is to run a bank, not to become moral arbiters. the frightening piece is this, i am farfrom alone. many other people have come forward to say they have been shut out because of what they stand for and believe. and now the banks are working on monitoring the social media of every single one of us and that needs to be stopped. single one of us and that needs to be stepped-— single one of us and that needs to be stopped. lots of calls coming in

and genuinely i'm interested to know, always bet today, this is such an interesting row, so many elements to debate. it is not the bank's roll to become moral arbiters, that is an interesting phrase used by mr farage. we can speak to mark, brian and chris. good morning to all of you. and chris. good morning to all of ou. , ., ., ., and chris. good morning to all of yom— good - and chris. good morning to all of i you._ good morning. you. good morning. good morning. good morning- _ you. good morning. good morning. good morning. mark, _ you. good morning. good morning. good morning. mark, you - you. good morning. good morning. good morning. mark, you kick- you. good morning. good morning. good morning. mark, you kick it. you. good morning. good morning. | good morning. mark, you kick it off. yes, i good morning. mark, you kick it off. yes. i mean. — good morning. mark, you kick it off. yes. i mean. i _ good morning. mark, you kick it off. yes, i mean, iwas... _ good morning. mark, you kick it off. yes, i mean, iwas... i— good morning. mark, you kick it off. yes, i mean, iwas... iwas- good morning. mark, you kick it off. yes, i mean, iwas... iwas a- yes, i mean, iwas... iwas a remainer. let's get that absolutely clear, i was a staunch remainer and didn't agree with the farage politics on brexit. however, on this issue, i consider farage to be right. that is why he has received an apology from the bank. at board level, he has received an apology.

he had an apology from the bbc at senior management level. i think if i put metaphorically a case where your doctor or a consultant surgeon refused to operate on you because of your political beliefs or views, that would be problematic and i think everybody would be up in arms about that. so as a financial professional myself, and a qualified accountant, i have to say, you are handling people's finances on trust, on trust, and it shouldn't come down to their political beliefs. it should come down to if they are doing something illegal, that is a different matter. butjust on their political beliefs, i'm afraid on this one, and it kind of galls me to say it, i think farage is completely right. say it, i think farage is completely riuht. �* ., ., ., | say it, i think farage is completely. right-_ i agree- right. brian, do you agree? i agree. also, i'd right. brian, do you agree? i agree. also. i'd seen _ right. brian, do you agree? i agree. also. i'd seen a _

right. brian, do you agree? i agree. also, i'd seen a new— right. brian, do you agree? i agree. also, i'd seen a new culture - right. brian, do you agree? i agree. also, i'd seen a new culture in - also, i'd seen a new culture in banks— also, i'd seen a new culture in banks where you are being asked why you are _ banks where you are being asked why you are transferring money. friends have been_ you are transferring money. friends have been asked why they are transferring this money. are we willing — transferring this money. are we willing to — transferring this money. are we willing to give banks power over whether— willing to give banks power over whether we have access to our money? could _ whether we have access to our money? could you _ whether we have access to our money? could you run _ whether we have access to our money? could you run that passed me again, thatis could you run that passed me again, that is so interesting. this is what mr farage is talking about, that he is on a mission, a crusade i think is on a mission, a crusade i think is the word he may have even chosen on this, to represent the tens of thousands of people, he said, out there who are having their accounts closed. tell me a little bit more about that, what you know from your friends and colleagues. yes. about that, what you know from your friends and colleagues.— friends and colleagues. yes, it seems to _ friends and colleagues. yes, it seems to be — friends and colleagues. yes, it seems to be a _ friends and colleagues. yes, it seems to be a new _ friends and colleagues. yes, it seems to be a new power - friends and colleagues. yes, it seems to be a new power grab friends and colleagues. yes, it. seems to be a new power grab on behaif— seems to be a new power grab on behalf of— seems to be a new power grab on behalf of the banks, to ask you what you are _ behalf of the banks, to ask you what you are transferring your money for. why you _ you are transferring your money for. why you are — you are transferring your money for. why you are moving hundreds of pounds — why you are moving hundreds of pounds of— why you are moving hundreds of pounds of thousands of pounds when a-ain pounds of thousands of pounds when again this _ pounds of thousands of pounds when again this is your personal business. it shouldn't be there business — business. it shouldn't be there business unless there was fraud reported — business unless there was fraud reported or something like that. we

have to _ reported or something like that. we have to assess whether or not we want _ have to assess whether or not we want banks — have to assess whether or not we want banks to have that kind of power — want banks to have that kind of power over our finances. they are unelected — power over our finances. they are unelected officials. i think government should be taking a new look at _ government should be taking a new look at this. i have been asked, others — look at this. i have been asked, others were asked, i have a friend accused _ others were asked, i have a friend accused of— others were asked, i have a friend accused of money—laundering because they return _ accused of money—laundering because they return somebody's finances to them _ they return somebody's finances to them who — they return somebody's finances to them who had invested in their business — them who had invested in their business. without any investigation. so again. _ business. without any investigation. so again, with all this march towards _ so again, with all this march towards a _ so again, with all this march towards a digital economy and things like that, _ towards a digital economy and things like that, do we want banks to have this much— like that, do we want banks to have this much power? i don't think so. there _ this much power? i don't think so. there needs — this much power? i don't think so. there needs to be new rights for the consumer. _ there needs to be new rights for the consumer, for the account holder, where _ consumer, for the account holder, where banks cannot refuse new transactions or money transfers based _ transactions or money transfers based on — transactions or money transfers based on their view of your activity _ based on their view of your activity i— based on their view of your activi . ~ , based on their view of your activi . ,, , , based on their view of your activi . ~ , , ., , activity. i think this is really, really interesting _ activity. i think this is really, really interesting and - activity. i think this is really, really interesting and it - activity. i think this is really, really interesting and it is i activity. i think this is really, really interesting and it is a l activity. i think this is really, - really interesting and it is a huge debate which is at the heart of this. mr farage clearly knows that, whatever you think about mr farage.

hold fire, let's hearfrom chris first. what are your thoughts, chris? good morning.- first. what are your thoughts, chris? good morning. good morning. i think the first — chris? good morning. good morning. i think the first thing _ chris? good morning. good morning. i think the first thing that _ chris? good morning. good morning. i think the first thing that comes - think the first thing that comes into my— think the first thing that comes into my mind _ think the first thing that comes into my mind as _ think the first thing that comes into my mind as we _ think the first thing that comes into my mind as we need - think the first thing that comes into my mind as we need to. think the first thing that comes . into my mind as we need to keep think the first thing that comes - into my mind as we need to keep in our minds— into my mind as we need to keep in our minds that— into my mind as we need to keep in our minds that nigel— into my mind as we need to keep in our minds that nigel farage - into my mind as we need to keep in l our minds that nigel farage whatever else he _ our minds that nigel farage whatever else he is, _ our minds that nigel farage whatever else he is, is— our minds that nigel farage whatever else he is, is a— our minds that nigel farage whatever else he is, is a fantastic— our minds that nigel farage whatever else he is, is a fantastic self- else he is, is a fantastic self publicist _ else he is, is a fantastic self publicist he _ else he is, is a fantastic self publicist. he will— else he is, is a fantastic self publicist. he willjump- else he is, is a fantastic self publicist. he willjump on. else he is, is a fantastic self- publicist. he willjump on anything, it seems— publicist. he willjump on anything, it seems to — publicist. he willjump on anything, it seems to me. _ publicist. he willjump on anything, it seems to me, that _ publicist. he willjump on anything, it seems to me, that will— publicist. he willjump on anything, it seems to me, that will promote i it seems to me, that will promote his profile — it seems to me, that will promote his profile and _ it seems to me, that will promote his profile and his— it seems to me, that will promote his profile and his ideas. - it seems to me, that will promote his profile and his ideas. he - it seems to me, that will promote his profile and his ideas. he has. it seems to me, that will promote his profile and his ideas. he has a| his profile and his ideas. he has a massive _ his profile and his ideas. he has a massive platform, _ his profile and his ideas. he has a massive platform, so _ his profile and his ideas. he has a massive platform, so he - his profile and his ideas. he has a massive platform, so he is - his profile and his ideas. he has a massive platform, so he is not. his profile and his ideas. he has a massive platform, so he is not anj massive platform, so he is not an ordinary— massive platform, so he is not an ordinary chap _ massive platform, so he is not an ordinary chap. he— massive platform, so he is not an ordinary chap. he is— massive platform, so he is not an ordinary chap. he is not- massive platform, so he is not an ordinary chap. he is not like - massive platform, so he is not an ordinary chap. he is not like the i ordinary chap. he is not like the other— ordinary chap. he is not like the other people _ ordinary chap. he is not like the other people on _ ordinary chap. he is not like the other people on the _ ordinary chap. he is not like the other people on the caller- ordinary chap. he is not like the . other people on the caller myself. but he _ other people on the caller myself. but he is — other people on the caller myself. but he is onto— other people on the caller myself. but he is onto something, - other people on the caller myself. but he is onto something, isn't i other people on the caller myself. l but he is onto something, isn't he, is he onto something here? i go backwards _ is he onto something here? i go backwards and _ is he onto something here? i go backwards and forwards on this but i think where — backwards and forwards on this but i think where i— backwards and forwards on this but i think where i have _ backwards and forwards on this but i think where i have ended _ backwards and forwards on this but i think where i have ended up- backwards and forwards on this but i think where i have ended up is- think where i have ended up is natwest — think where i have ended up is natwest had _ think where i have ended up is natwest had effectively - think where i have ended up is| natwest had effectively looked think where i have ended up is. natwest had effectively looked at their business _ natwest had effectively looked at their business and _ natwest had effectively looked at their business and they _ natwest had effectively looked at their business and they had - natwest had effectively looked at their business and they had said, | natwest had effectively looked at i their business and they had said, we have this _ their business and they had said, we have this brand _ their business and they had said, we have this brand called _ their business and they had said, we have this brand called coutts. -

their business and they had said, we have this brand called coutts. he - their business and they had said, we have this brand called coutts. he isi have this brand called coutts. he is promoting — have this brand called coutts. he is promoting the _ have this brand called coutts. he is promoting the fact _ have this brand called coutts. he is promoting the fact he _ have this brand called coutts. he is promoting the fact he banks - have this brand called coutts. he is promoting the fact he banks with l promoting the fact he banks with coutts— promoting the fact he banks with coutts and — promoting the fact he banks with coutts and there _ promoting the fact he banks with coutts and there is _ promoting the fact he banks with coutts and there is a _ promoting the fact he banks with coutts and there is a lot - promoting the fact he banks with coutts and there is a lot of- promoting the fact he banks with| coutts and there is a lot of cachet among _ coutts and there is a lot of cachet among the — coutts and there is a lot of cachet among the people _ coutts and there is a lot of cachet among the people who _ coutts and there is a lot of cachet among the people who bank- coutts and there is a lot of cachet among the people who bank with| among the people who bank with coutts _ among the people who bank with coutts the — among the people who bank with coutts. the bank— among the people who bank with coutts. the bank sort _ among the people who bank with coutts. the bank sort of - among the people who bank with coutts. the bank sort of said, - among the people who bank with| coutts. the bank sort of said, this looks— coutts. the bank sort of said, this looks as _ coutts. the bank sort of said, this looks as if— coutts. the bank sort of said, this looks as if it — coutts. the bank sort of said, this looks as if it might _ coutts. the bank sort of said, this looks as if it might injure - coutts. the bank sort of said, this looks as if it might injure that - looks as if it might injure that particular— looks as if it might injure that particular brand. _ looks as if it might injure that particular brand. to _ looks as if it might injure that particular brand. to say - looks as if it might injure that particular brand. to say as . looks as if it might injure that particular brand. to say as a i looks as if it might injure that - particular brand. to say as a group we won't _ particular brand. to say as a group we won't offer _ particular brand. to say as a group we won't offer you _ particular brand. to say as a group we won't offer you any— particular brand. to say as a group we won't offer you any banking - we won't offer you any banking facilitiesm _ we won't offer you any banking facilities... but— we won't offer you any banking facilities... but they _ we won't offer you any banking facilities... but they said... - we won't offer you any banking facilities... but they said... it. facilities... but they said... it affects — facilities... but they said... it affects the _ facilities... but they said... it affects the brand. _ facilities... but they said... it affects the brand.— facilities... but they said... it affects the brand. . ., ., ., , affects the brand. hang on, who was at cominu affects the brand. hang on, who was at coming in? _ affects the brand. hang on, who was at coming in? this _ affects the brand. hang on, who was at coming in? this is _ affects the brand. hang on, who was at coming in? this is brian. - affects the brand. hang on, who was at coming in? this is brian. this - affects the brand. hang on, who was at coming in? this is brian. this is l at coming in? this is brian. this is something — at coming in? this is brian. this is something that _ at coming in? this is brian. this is something that affects _ at coming in? this is brian. this is something that affects everyone, l at coming in? this is brian. this is i something that affects everyone, not 'ust something that affects everyone, not just nigel— something that affects everyone, not just nigel farage. if they are willing — just nigel farage. if they are willing to take him under his political— willing to take him under his political views, what about average ordinary _ political views, what about average ordinary individual, again, who are being _ ordinary individual, again, who are being asked in the banks, overthe counter— being asked in the banks, overthe counter what they are spending their money— counter what they are spending their money on _ counter what they are spending their money on and how they are using their— money on and how they are using their money? whether or not they can withdraw— their money? whether or not they can withdraw it _ their money? whether or not they can withdraw it or not and whether... how— withdraw it or not and whether... how would — withdraw it or not and whether... how would we know, how would we have

ever known where mr farage banked had this not all come out? thank you very much, mr farage who is on a mission. why is a bank worried about their reputation because somebody banks with them and 99.99999% of people in the country wouldn't know he banked with them. i don't understand that. can somebody tell me, please question might get in touch with me. and another point here, i know this is about you and not about me, but another point here, over the last few years, any number of interesting people with interesting views from interesting places have banked with interesting banks in this country. mr farage, whatever you think of him, you could argue he is the least of it. i whatever you think of him, you could argue he is the least of it.— argue he is the least of it. i think that may well — argue he is the least of it. i think that may well be _ argue he is the least of it. i think that may well be the _ argue he is the least of it. i think that may well be the case. - argue he is the least of it. i think that may well be the case. i - argue he is the least of it. i think| that may well be the case. i think though— that may well be the case. i think though that — that may well be the case. i think though that coutts _ that may well be the case. i think though that coutts promotes - that may well be the case. i think though that coutts promotes its i though that coutts promotes its business — though that coutts promotes its business on _ though that coutts promotes its business on the _ though that coutts promotes its business on the back— though that coutts promotes its business on the back of- though that coutts promotes its business on the back of the - though that coutts promotes its| business on the back of the type though that coutts promotes its i business on the back of the type of people _ business on the back of the type of people that — business on the back of the type of people that would _ business on the back of the type of people that would be _ business on the back of the type of people that would be banking - business on the back of the type of people that would be banking with| people that would be banking with that particular—

people that would be banking with that particular brand _ people that would be banking with that particular brand and - people that would be banking with that particular brand and people . that particular brand and people bank— that particular brand and people bank with— that particular brand and people bank with coutts _ that particular brand and people bank with coutts because - that particular brand and people bank with coutts because of- that particular brand and people bank with coutts because of the| bank with coutts because of the nature — bank with coutts because of the nature of— bank with coutts because of the nature of that _ bank with coutts because of the nature of that brand. _ bank with coutts because of the nature of that brand. so - bank with coutts because of the nature of that brand. so they. bank with coutts because of the i nature of that brand. so they need to try— nature of that brand. so they need to try and — nature of that brand. so they need to try and find _ nature of that brand. so they need to try and find a _ nature of that brand. so they need to try and find a way— nature of that brand. so they need to try and find a way of _ nature of that brand. so they need to try and find a way of protecting i to try and find a way of protecting that brand — to try and find a way of protecting that brand it— to try and find a way of protecting that brand. it is— to try and find a way of protecting that brand. it is an _ to try and find a way of protecting that brand. it is an exclusive - that brand. it is an exclusive brand, — that brand. it is an exclusive brand, there _ that brand. it is an exclusive brand, there is— that brand. it is an exclusive brand, there is no _ that brand. it is an exclusive brand, there is no doubt - that brand. it is an exclusive . brand, there is no doubt about that brand. it is an exclusive - brand, there is no doubt about that. and if— brand, there is no doubt about that. and if you _ brand, there is no doubt about that. and if you have _ brand, there is no doubt about that. and if you have an _ brand, there is no doubt about that. and if you have an exclusive - brand, there is no doubt about that. and if you have an exclusive brand, i and if you have an exclusive brand, whether— and if you have an exclusive brand, whether it — and if you have an exclusive brand, whether it is — and if you have an exclusive brand, whether it is a _ and if you have an exclusive brand, whether it is a golf— and if you have an exclusive brand, whether it is a golf club _ and if you have an exclusive brand, whether it is a golf club or- and if you have an exclusive brand, whether it is a golf club or a - and if you have an exclusive brand, whether it is a golf club or a bank. whether it is a golf club or a bank or anything — whether it is a golf club or a bank or anything else, _ whether it is a golf club or a bank or anything else, then— whether it is a golf club or a bank or anything else, then you - whether it is a golf club or a bank or anything else, then you need i whether it is a golf club or a bankl or anything else, then you need to take steps— or anything else, then you need to take steps in— or anything else, then you need to take steps in order— or anything else, then you need to take steps in order to— or anything else, then you need to take steps in order to protect - or anything else, then you need to| take steps in order to protect that. ithink— take steps in order to protect that. i think as _ take steps in order to protect that. i think as a — take steps in order to protect that. i think as a banking _ take steps in order to protect that. i think as a banking industry, - take steps in order to protect that. i think as a banking industry, you i i think as a banking industry, you have _ i think as a banking industry, you have to _ i think as a banking industry, you have to ensure _ i think as a banking industry, you have to ensure that _ i think as a banking industry, you have to ensure that people... - have to ensure that people... inaudible _ inaudible can ijump in here? if coutts have a policy of saying we only want to deal with this category of person... they already say that we only deal with people who have assets of over £1 million or whatever the amount is

nowadays, that is fine. they make that absolutely clear. so surely they have a duty to the public to say, don't come and bank with us if your views are x, y or z because we do not want you as a customer. so if they want to protect their brand, then surely any business that wants to protect their brand has to start from a basis of honesty.— to protect their brand has to start from a basis of honesty. whether you are makin: from a basis of honesty. whether you are making cakes _ from a basis of honesty. whether you are making cakes or— from a basis of honesty. whether you are making cakes or making - are making cakes or making investment, you should be able to choose your clients. nicky, we have brian, mark, chris, let's have you, what do you think about this? it is full of so many interesting angles. there is the broader angle that was brought up by brian, this is happening to people out there, is it happening to people out there, is it happening to people out there, is it happening to you? andy mr farage angle, what do you think? i happening to you? andy mr farage angle, what do you think?- angle, what do you think? i think that coutts _ angle, what do you think? i think that coutts have _ angle, what do you think? i think that coutts have the _ angle, what do you think? i think that coutts have the right - angle, what do you think? i think that coutts have the right to - angle, what do you think? i think. that coutts have the right to choose who they do business with. if i owned a business, i certainly wouldn't want to do business with

iran. i recognise that if somebody came into my business with similar views, i wouldn't know them from adam. —— i wouldn't want to do business with nigel farage. ifind his views personally abhorrent, why can't coutts decide? but his views personally abhorrent, why can't coutts decide?— can't coutts decide? but being personally _ can't coutts decide? but being personally abhorrent - can't coutts decide? but being personally abhorrent to - can't coutts decide? but being - personally abhorrent to someone's views— personally abhorrent to someone's views doesn't allow you to stop doing _ views doesn't allow you to stop doing business with them. there are le-al doing business with them. there are legal rights — doing business with them. there are legal rights and liberties in the united — legal rights and liberties in the united kingdom and we have two... it united kingdom and we have two... [i is my united kingdom and we have two... it is my business. hang _ united kingdom and we have two... it is my business. hang on _ united kingdom and we have two... it is my business. hang on a _ united kingdom and we have two... it is my business. hang on a minute, i is my business. hang on a minute, coutts need _ is my business. hang on a minute, coutts need to _ is my business. hang on a minute, coutts need to come _ is my business. hang on a minute, coutts need to come out. - is my business. hang on a minute, coutts need to come out. they - is my business. hang on a minute, l coutts need to come out. they have said the _ coutts need to come out. they have said the exact opposite, that they did not— said the exact opposite, that they did not get rid of farage because of his political views. then it came to li-ht his political views. then it came to light that — his political views. then it came to light that they did. so they need to make _ light that they did. so they need to make it _ light that they did. so they need to make it clear. you as a business owner— make it clear. you as a business owner would actually say, we do not want to _ owner would actually say, we do not want to deal with this type of person. — want to deal with this type of person, with this type of beliefs. that is— person, with this type of beliefs. that is fine, if that's what they want _ that is fine, if that's what they want to— that is fine, if that's what they want to do— that is fine, if that's what they want to do and they want to put that

out in _ want to do and they want to put that out in the _ want to do and they want to put that out in the public domain, that is well— out in the public domain, that is well and — out in the public domain, that is well and good. as you say, they have the right— well and good. as you say, they have the right to _ well and good. as you say, they have the right to choose... who they deal with but— the right to choose... who they deal with but don't actually say one thing — with but don't actually say one thing and _ with but don't actually say one thing and do another. so with but don't actually say one thing and do another.- with but don't actually say one thing and do another. so the basic --rincile, thing and do another. so the basic principle. hang — thing and do another. so the basic principle, hang on, _ thing and do another. so the basic principle, hang on, let's _ thing and do another. so the basic principle, hang on, let's get - thing and do another. so the basic principle, hang on, let's get this i principle, hang on, let's get this clear, the basic principle if you are not coming in my pub, that is ok? , are not coming in my pub, that is 0k?- yes- — are not coming in my pub, that is 0k?- yes- i _ are not coming in my pub, that is om- yes. | think _ are not coming in my pub, that is om- yes. | think it - are not coming in my pub, that is ok? yes. yes. i think it is 0k? yes. yes. i think it is important _ 0k? yes. yes. ithink it is important to _ 0k? yes. yes. ithink it is important to recognise i 0k? yes. yes. | think it is| important to recognise that according _ important to recognise that according to _ important to recognise that according to what - important to recognise that according to what we - important to recognise that| according to what we know, important to recognise that. according to what we know, it important to recognise that - according to what we know, it wasn't primarily— according to what we know, it wasn't primarily a _ according to what we know, it wasn't primarily a political— according to what we know, it wasn't primarily a political reason. - according to what we know, it wasn't primarily a political reason. it - primarily a political reason. it seems — primarily a political reason. it seems to— primarily a political reason. it seems to me _ primarily a political reason. it seems to me the _ primarily a political reason. it seems to me the bank- primarily a political reason. it seems to me the bank have l primarily a political reason. it . seems to me the bank have not managed — seems to me the bank have not managed this _ seems to me the bank have not managed this particularly- seems to me the bank have not managed this particularly well. | seems to me the bank have notl managed this particularly well. i managed this particularly well. completely agree. managed this particularly well. i completely agree. they - managed this particularly well. i completely agree. they said - managed this particularly well. i completely agree. they said it l managed this particularly well. i i completely agree. they said it was rimaril a completely agree. they said it was primarily a commercial— completely agree. they said it was primarily a commercial decision i completely agree. they said it was | primarily a commercial decision but there _ primarily a commercial decision but there was— primarily a commercial decision but there was some _ primarily a commercial decision but there was some political _ there was some political considerations, - there was some political considerations, if- there was some political considerations, if you i there was some political . considerations, if you will. there was some political - considerations, if you will. why there was some political considerations, if you will. why was it a commercial _ considerations, if you will. why was it a commercial decision? _ considerations, if you will. why was it a commercial decision? i - considerations, if you will. why was it a commercial decision? i don't i it a commercial decision? i don't understand. it a commercial decision? i don't understand-— it a commercial decision? i don't understand. . ., . , ., understand. the commercial decision is the impact — understand. the commercial decision is the impact on _ understand. the commercial decision is the impact on the _ understand. the commercial decision is the impact on the reputation - understand. the commercial decision is the impact on the reputation of - is the impact on the reputation of the business _ is the impact on the reputation of the business. but— is the impact on the reputation of the business.— is the impact on the reputation of the business. �* ., ., ,, ., the business. but how would we know? fundamentally. — the business. but how would we know? fundamentally, that _ the business. but how would we know? fundamentally, that is _ the business. but how would we know? fundamentally, that is it. _ the business. but how would we know? fundamentally, that is it. he's - the business. but how would we know? fundamentally, that is it. he's not - fundamentally, that is it. he's not auoin fundamentally, that is it. he's not going around _ fundamentally, that is it. he's not going around with _ fundamentally, that is it. he's not going around with his _ fundamentally, that is it. he's not going around with his credit - fundamentally, that is it. he's not going around with his credit card i

going around with his credit card saying i bank with them, that is his business. but saying i bank with them, that is his business. �* . . , saying i bank with them, that is his business. �* . , , , saying i bank with them, that is his business-_ iti business. but apparently, he is. it was in the — business. but apparently, he is. it was in the public _ business. but apparently, he is. it was in the public domain. - business. but apparently, he is. it was in the public domain. what i business. but apparently, he is. it| was in the public domain. what are ou was in the public domain. what are you saying? _ was in the public domain. what are you saying? he _ was in the public domain. what are you saying? he was _ was in the public domain. what are you saying? he was happy - was in the public domain. what are you saying? he was happy to - was in the public domain. what are you saying? he was happy to bring | was in the public domain. what are l you saying? he was happy to bring it into the public— you saying? he was happy to bring it into the public domain. _ you saying? he was happy to bring it into the public domain. so _ into the public domain. so reputation me, he puts coutts at risk. �* . , reputation me, he puts coutts at risk. �* , , risk. because they elbowed him. i read the dossier _ risk. because they elbowed him. i read the dossier this _ risk. because they elbowed him. i read the dossier this morning. - risk. because they elbowed him. i read the dossier this morning. we have keir starmer coming on at 10.00 taking calls and i got rather sidetracked reading the coutts natwest dossier about nigel farage so i got a bit behind in my preparation for keir starmer. it is “p preparation for keir starmer. it is up to you, you can call him, it's your questions but all these things he were nailing him for, comparing blm to the taliban. net zero is net stupid. dehumanising immigrants. they accused him of that, being very, very critical of those people coming over in the boats. and also

being accused of transferring b, being accused of transferring b, being accused of homophobia and even liking a tweet by ricky gervais is. if those criteria were to be applied to everybody, i would lose quite a chunk of my listeners.— chunk of my listeners. well, yes, and coutts _ chunk of my listeners. well, yes, and coutts would _ chunk of my listeners. well, yes, and coutts would not _ chunk of my listeners. well, yes, and coutts would not be - chunk of my listeners. well, yes, and coutts would not be keen - chunk of my listeners. well, yes, and coutts would not be keen tol chunk of my listeners. well, yes, - and coutts would not be keen to bank with them _ and coutts would not be keen to bank with them. why and coutts would not be keen to bank with them. ~ , , ., �* and coutts would not be keen to bank with them. ~ , . ~. �* , with them. why shouldn't they, if there is proportion _ with them. why shouldn't they, if there is proportion of _ with them. why shouldn't they, if there is proportion of my - with them. why shouldn't they, if. there is proportion of my listeners, 15-20% there is proportion of my listeners, 15—20% who are dear to those views, they have the right to do that in a free country, we might not like it. if £1 million happily fell into their laps they should not be able to bank with coutts or they should have a right to say you are not banking with us?— have a right to say you are not banking with us? public profile, isn't it? with _ banking with us? public profile, isn't it? with his— banking with us? public profile, isn't it? with his reputation, - banking with us? public profile, isn't it? with his reputation, he| isn't it? with his reputation, he could damage coutts by saying he is

with coutts because of his beliefs. and yes, he has a following, but thankfully it is a minority following. a lot of us find the way he acted completely abhorrent. so why not call him out?— he acted completely abhorrent. so why not call him out? again, coutts is art of why not call him out? again, coutts is part of the _ why not call him out? again, coutts is part of the natwest _ why not call him out? again, coutts is part of the natwest group. - why not call him out? again, coutts is part of the natwest group. theyl is part of the natwest group. they haven't _ is part of the natwest group. they haven't said. — is part of the natwest group. they haven't said, as— is part of the natwest group. they haven't said, as a _ is part of the natwest group. they haven't said, as a business, - is part of the natwest group. they haven't said, as a business, as - is part of the natwest group. they haven't said, as a business, as a l haven't said, as a business, as a group. _ haven't said, as a business, as a group. they— haven't said, as a business, as a group, they haven't _ haven't said, as a business, as a group, they haven't said - haven't said, as a business, as a group, they haven't said we - haven't said, as a business, as a i group, they haven't said we won't bank— group, they haven't said we won't bank with— group, they haven't said we won't bank with nigel— group, they haven't said we won't bank with nigel farage. _ group, they haven't said we won't bank with nigel farage. we - group, they haven't said we won't bank with nigel farage. we are l group, they haven't said we won't. bank with nigel farage. we are not going _ bank with nigel farage. we are not going to _ bank with nigel farage. we are not going to the — bank with nigel farage. we are not going to the bank— bank with nigel farage. we are not going to the bank him. _ bank with nigel farage. we are not going to the bank him. they- bank with nigel farage. we are not going to the bank him. they have l going to the bank him. they have said we _ going to the bank him. they have said we don't— going to the bank him. they have said we don't want _ going to the bank him. they have said we don't want nigel- going to the bank him. they have said we don't want nigel farage's name _ said we don't want nigel farage's name and — said we don't want nigel farage's name and profile _ said we don't want nigel farage's name and profile as _ said we don't want nigel farage's name and profile as somebody. said we don't want nigel farage's. name and profile as somebody who said we don't want nigel farage's- name and profile as somebody who has strong _ name and profile as somebody who has strong views _ name and profile as somebody who has strong views in — name and profile as somebody who has strong views in a — name and profile as somebody who has strong views in a different, _ name and profile as somebody who has strong views in a different, in _ name and profile as somebody who has strong views in a different, in a - strong views in a different, in a number— strong views in a different, in a numberof— strong views in a different, in a number of different— strong views in a different, in a number of different areas - strong views in a different, in a number of different areas that i strong views in a different, in a . number of different areas that do not align— number of different areas that do not align with _ number of different areas that do not align with our _ number of different areas that do not align with our own _ number of different areas that do not align with our own values - not align with our own values associated _ not align with our own values associated with _ not align with our own values associated with this - not align with our own values| associated with this particular brand — associated with this particular brand within _ associated with this particular brand within our— associated with this particular brand within our business. . associated with this particulari brand within our business. but associated with this particular brand within our business. but let me ut brand within our business. but let me put this _ brand within our business. but let me put this to _ brand within our business. but let me put this to you, _ brand within our business. but let me put this to you, shouldn't - brand within our business. but let me put this to you, shouldn't our| me put this to you, shouldn't our values... carlin birmingham is coming up. shouldn't our values be pluralistic values?—

coming up. shouldn't our values be pluralistic values? what do you mean b that? pluralistic values? what do you mean by that? accommodating _ pluralistic values? what do you mean by that? accommodating people - pluralistic values? what do you mean by that? accommodating people of. by that? accommodating people of many different _ by that? accommodating people of many different beliefs _ by that? accommodating people of many different beliefs and - by that? accommodating people of| many different beliefs and thoughts and political and philosophical positions? and political and philosophical ositions? . and political and philosophical ositions? , ., , positions? yes, of course, in society- _ positions? yes, of course, in society- iout _ positions? yes, of course, in society. but when _ positions? yes, of course, in society. but when you - positions? yes, of course, in society. but when you are i positions? yes, of course, in - society. but when you are running a business, surely you get to decide. and dame rose actually went on public— and dame rose actually went on public record _ and dame rose actually went on public record in _ and dame rose actually went on public record in the _ and dame rose actually went on public record in the guardian - and dame rose actually went onj public record in the guardianjust two days— public record in the guardianjust two days ago— public record in the guardianjust two days ago i_ public record in the guardianjust two days ago i think _ public record in the guardianjust two days ago i think it _ public record in the guardianjust two days ago i think it was, - public record in the guardianjust. two days ago i think it was, saying that her— two days ago i think it was, saying that her inclusion _ two days ago i think it was, saying that her inclusion was _ two days ago i think it was, saying that her inclusion was massively . that her inclusion was massively important — that her inclusion was massively important so— that her inclusion was massively important. so inclusion - that her inclusion was massively important. so inclusion is - that her inclusion was massively important. so inclusion is a - that her inclusion was massively. important. so inclusion is a policy of natwest — important. so inclusion is a policy of natwest bank, _ important. so inclusion is a policy of natwest bank, then— important. so inclusion is a policy of natwest bank, then they - important. so inclusion is a policy of natwest bank, then they need | important. so inclusion is a policy. of natwest bank, then they need to come _ of natwest bank, then they need to come out _ of natwest bank, then they need to come out and — of natwest bank, then they need to come out and be _ of natwest bank, then they need to come out and be absolutely - of natwest bank, then they need to come out and be absolutely clear. come out and be absolutely clear that specific— come out and be absolutely clear that specific banks _ come out and be absolutely clear that specific banks within - come out and be absolutely clear that specific banks within the - come out and be absolutely clear. that specific banks within the group do not _ that specific banks within the group do not wish — that specific banks within the group do not wish to— that specific banks within the group do not wish to take _ that specific banks within the group do not wish to take certain - that specific banks within the group do not wish to take certain types i that specific banks within the group do not wish to take certain types ofj do not wish to take certain types of clients _ do not wish to take certain types of clients because _ do not wish to take certain types of clients because of— do not wish to take certain types of clients because of their— do not wish to take certain types of clients because of their political- clients because of their political beliefs — clients because of their political beliefs or— clients because of their political beliefs or other— clients because of their political beliefs or other beliefs, - clients because of their political beliefs or other beliefs, then i clients because of their political. beliefs or other beliefs, then they need _ beliefs or other beliefs, then they need to— beliefs or other beliefs, then they need to make _ beliefs or other beliefs, then they need to make that _ beliefs or other beliefs, then they need to make that clear. - beliefs or other beliefs, then they need to make that clear. you i beliefs or other beliefs, then theyl need to make that clear. you can't be saying — need to make that clear. you can't be saying we — need to make that clear. you can't be saying we are _ need to make that clear. you can't be saying we are all _ need to make that clear. you can't be saying we are all of _ need to make that clear. you can't be saying we are all of her- be saying we are all of her inclusion— be saying we are all of her inclusion but— be saying we are all of her inclusion but we _ be saying we are all of her inclusion but we want i be saying we are all of her inclusion but we want to l be saying we are all of her- inclusion but we want to exclude people _ inclusion but we want to exclude people on— inclusion but we want to exclude people on political— inclusion but we want to exclude people on political or— inclusion but we want to exclude people on political or religious. inclusion but we want to exclude | people on political or religious or any other— people on political or religious or

any other beliefs. _ people on political or religious or any other beliefs. it _ people on political or religious or any other beliefs. it doesn't... it| any other beliefs. it doesn't... [i is a any other beliefs. it doesn't... is a very difficult argument any other beliefs. it doesn't...- is a very difficult argument because you are _ is a very difficult argument because you are almost forced into trying to decide _ you are almost forced into trying to decide whether you want to include somebody— decide whether you want to include somebody who himself is not inclusive _ somebody who himself is not inclusive. nigel farage is not an inclusive — inclusive. nigel farage is not an inclusive sort of guy, is he? and yet the — inclusive sort of guy, is he? and yet the idea _ inclusive sort of guy, is he? and yet the idea is they need to include him. yet the idea is they need to include him in _ yet the idea is they need to include him. , ., , ., yet the idea is they need to include him. , ., . . , him. in my opinion, farage is divisive- _ him. in my opinion, farage is divisive. let _ him. in my opinion, farage is divisive. let me _ him. in my opinion, farage is divisive. let me bring - him. in my opinion, farage is divisive. let me bring in - him. in my opinion, farage is divisive. let me bring in carl. i divisive. let me bring in carl. hello. hello. _ divisive. let me bring in carl. hello. hello. unlike, - divisive. let me bring in carl. i hello. hello. unlike, evidently, divisive. let me bring in carl. - hello. hello. unlike, evidently, the late queen. — hello. hello. unlike, evidently, the late queen. may — hello. hello. unlike, evidently, the late queen, may she _ hello. hello. unlike, evidently, the late queen, may she rest _ hello. hello. unlike, evidently, the late queen, may she rest in - hello. hello. unlike, evidently, the late queen, may she rest in peace, i late queen, may she rest in peace, her bank is coutts. everybody is welcome. get in touch. what do you think about this? i welcome. get in touch. what do you think about this?— think about this? i believe that everybody _ think about this? i believe that everybody has _ think about this? i believe that everybody has the _ think about this? i believe that everybody has the right - think about this? i believe that everybody has the right to - think about this? i believe that everybody has the right to a i think about this? i believe that i everybody has the right to a bank account and nigel farage was... it was completely wrong what they have done to him, they have basically made a false statement against him.

i believe that free speech should be a right and a bank account should be right. i believe in diversity of opinion, notjust diversity but diversity of opinion. if you have something to say, whether other people don't like it or not, it's irrelevant. it is irrelevant what he said i hadn't said. i don't understand what that has to do with the argument. this is not a left or a right argument. this is, basically they should be nonpolitical. this could happen to anybody, this could happen to the leader of the labour party. it could happen to anybody and i think that is an important point. and i think that is an important oint. . , and i think that is an important oint. , , ., . point. first they come for nigel and then they come _ point. first they come for nigel and then they come for _ point. first they come for nigel and then they come for you. _ point. first they come for nigel and then they come for you. what - point. first they come for nigel and | then they come for you. what about this notion that mr farage is talking about this morning, he did so on the today programme with nick robinson, where having a listen to that on bbc sounds, that he is representing tens of thousands of people out there to whom this has also happened. do you buy that? the reason i also happened. do you buy that? the reason i do — also happened. do you buy that? tie:

reason i do buy also happened. do you buy that? he reason i do buy that also happened. do you buy that? tt9 reason i do buy that is because he said he has received e—mails and texts from all different types of people. look at his twitter feed and you will see, it is difficult to follow obviously but when he first, when it was first reported, there was something like 15 million hits, 15 billion? and a lot of other people in the same positions as the weather is ten or 20,000, i don't know. i have absolutely no idea if thatis know. i have absolutely no idea if that is evidentially correct but i am pretty sure that he does represent thousands of people throughout this country that have had their bank accounts removed for various reasons and of course they have to have regulations to protect, to stop corruption or whatever. that is on about that, this is political. all the man has done, he has got opinions, for heaven's sake. he believes in things that perhaps the bbc don't believe in. 0k,

believes in things that perhaps the bbc don't believe in. ok, or people in the bbc, it is irrelevant, it's absolutely irrelevant.- in the bbc, it is irrelevant, it's absolutely irrelevant. here are the financial conduct _ absolutely irrelevant. here are the financial conduct rules _ absolutely irrelevant. here are the financial conduct rules treated - absolutely irrelevant. here are the financial conduct rules treated by i financial conduct rules treated by mr farage last night. they set minimum standards of individual behaviour. you must act with integrity and due skill, care and diligence. you must be open and cooperative with the fda and other regulators. you must pay due regard to customers and treat them fairly. you must observe proper standards of market conduct. we have the very person to address some of their stuff, sir philip augar, former executive at tsb. good morning. goad executive at tsb. good morning. good morninu. executive at tsb. good morning. good morning- you — executive at tsb. good morning. good morning- you are _ executive at tsb. good morning. good morning. you are in _ executive at tsb. good morning. good morning. you are in that _ executive at tsb. good morning. good morning. you are in that meeting. - morning. you are in that meeting. you are all— morning. you are in that meeting. you are all discussing _ morning. you are in that meeting. you are all discussing the - morning. you are in that meeting. you are all discussing the nigel i you are all discussing the nigel farage dossier, saying he loves putin and he doesn't like immigrants and he is very sceptical about blm, doesn't like it at all and all that stuff. he liked a ricky gervais is

sketch on twitter, blah, blah, blah. what would you have said if you were at their meeting? 50 it what would you have said if you were at their meeting?— at their meeting? so it depends really which _ at their meeting? so it depends really which meeting _ at their meeting? so it depends really which meeting you - at their meeting? so it depends really which meeting you are . really which meeting you are involved with.— really which meeting you are involved with. :, ,: , , involved with. the one discussing the dossier- _ involved with. the one discussing the dossier. would _ involved with. the one discussing the dossier. would you _ involved with. the one discussing the dossier. would you have - involved with. the one discussing| the dossier. would you have said, come on, this is ridiculous or would you have said we had a genuine reputation can sense it? the basic oint here reputation can sense it? the basic point here is _ reputation can sense it? the basic point here is that _ reputation can sense it? the basic point here is that the _ reputation can sense it? the basic point here is that the banking - point here is that the banking industry is one of the core utility industries in this and every other country. it is part of our fundamental infrastructure. it is like the water, gas and electricity and it is not blind. every person, no matter, needs access to these fundamental services. as the purveyor of these services, you have to provide them to people of all political opinions, that seems to me to be the fundamental point about banking. to be the fundamental point about bankina. : . , . to be the fundamental point about bankin.. : . , . ~ banking. including a private bank like coutts? _ banking. including a private bank like coutts? including _ banking. including a private bank like coutts? including a - banking. including a private bank like coutts? including a private i like coutts? including a private bank like coutts. _

like coutts? including a private bank like coutts. so _ like coutts? including a private bank like coutts. so was - like coutts? including a private bank like coutts. so was it - like coutts? including a private| bank like coutts. so was it right that the ceo — bank like coutts. so was it right that the ceo has _ bank like coutts. so was it right that the ceo has gone? - bank like coutts. so was it right that the ceo has gone? under i bank like coutts. so was it right i that the ceo has gone? under the circumstances, _ that the ceo has gone? under the circumstances, i— that the ceo has gone? under the circumstances, i think— that the ceo has gone? under the circumstances, i think that - that the ceo has gone? under the circumstances, i think that is - circumstances, i think that is really how it had to be because there is a second issue as well. there's this fundamental point about banning people because of political opinions, that is important. the second point that is really important is client confidential 84 is that the sequence of events here was a really important. nigel farage started saying that he had been de—banked before alison rose sat next to simon jack at that dinner. next to simonjack at that dinner. she confirmed next to simon jack at that dinner. she confirmed natwest and coutts were the banks involved. that seems to me to be a breach of client confidentiality. it is fine if you go to the doctor and tell your friends you have been to the doctor but it is not fine if the doctor tells your friends and that seems to be the thing that had been breached.

very interesting. and when she said it was because he didn't meet the financial criteria, that clearly wasn't true and i will tell you this, i know people who bank with coutts who have a pittance compared to the £1 million financial criteria and they are still with coote. i have no idea what their political beliefs are. why did she say something, why was she economical with the truth? that something, why was she economical with the truth?— with the truth? that is really a ruestion with the truth? that is really a question for — with the truth? that is really a question for her— with the truth? that is really a question for her rather- with the truth? that is really a question for her rather than i with the truth? that is really a i question for her rather than me. i appreciate that. the whole sequence of events is intriguing first of do you think that there is an issue with tens of thousands of people out there in the country who are in a similar position, who have been de—banked? it similar position, who have been de-banked?_ de-banked? it is funny, i have written a _ de-banked? it is funny, i have written a lot _ de-banked? it is funny, i have written a lot about _ de-banked? it is funny, i have written a lot about banking - de-banked? it is funny, i have written a lot about banking fori written a lot about banking for quite a long time and have been quite a long time and have been quite critical of the industry. i did used to work in it but there have clearly been things wrong with its moral compass and i'd written about it over the years. but client confidentiality has not been one of them. i'm really very surprised by

this. no doubt now, other people are raising issues with their bank. i have been de—banked for this purpose... no doubt the banks are running over their processes and looking very hard at the records and perhaps a few more cases will come out of the woodwork. but i would be surprised if this is a big industry wide issue. i think it is something of a one off, i hope it is. t am of a one off, i hope it is. i am sure many — of a one off, i hope it is. i am sure many people _ of a one off, i hope it is. i am sure many people would - of a one off, i hope it is. i am sure many people would be i of a one off, i hope it is. i am sure many people would be interested to read some of the stuff you have written about that and i am sure they will be embarking on a google search. sir philip augar. i know you have written some very good stuff. why was there a concern about mr farage causing reputational damage to the bank if it was unlikely anybody or everyone would know he was with the bank? that anybody or everyone would know he was with the bank?— was with the bank? that touches at the heart of —

was with the bank? that touches at the heart of this _ was with the bank? that touches at the heart of this client _ the heart of this client confidentiality issue. it is a question for natwest rather than me. it gets to the core really of why serious action had to be taken and that in the end the ceo had to go. i do think that everyone is entitled to make a mistake in life and in theirjobs. i do feel enormous sympathy for alison rose. but the fact is, if you are ceo of a big bang, you are massively well rewarded. it is a really hard job. not only have you got to manage the risks and rewards of lending but you have to do handle the political wrangling that tripped her up. he wants the whole board to go. he wants the whole board to go. he wants there, the stables to be swept clean at the bank. what effect would that have on the city? t clean at the bank. what effect would that have on the city?— that have on the city? i think that is auoin a that have on the city? i think that is going a step — that have on the city? i think that is going a step too _ that have on the city? i think that is going a step too far. _ that have on the city? i think that is going a step too far. it - that have on the city? i think that is going a step too far. it would i is going a step too far. it would destabilise the bank, which actually is in the midst of the fairly long and successful turnaround under

alison rose's leadership and predecessors. i don't think that is necessary. i think what is necessary is that that bank loans the lessons, other banks ask themselves searching questions and we should move on with a cleaner and better banking industry. 50 a cleaner and better banking indust . , a cleaner and better banking indust . :, a cleaner and better banking indust . , :, a cleaner and better banking indust . a cleaner and better banking indust :, industry. so please do could come on this morning- — industry. so please do could come on this morning. from _ industry. so please do could come on this morning. from a _ industry. so please do could come on this morning. from a non-executive. this morning. from a non—executive at tsb, philip augar. steve, good morning. at tsb, philip augar. steve, good morninu. at tsb, philip augar. steve, good mornin., :, at tsb, philip augar. steve, good morning-_ this - at tsb, philip augar. steve, good - morning._ this banking morning. good morning. this banking row. morning. good morning. this banking row- political — morning. good morning. this banking row. politicalviews, _ morning. good morning. this banking row. politicalviews, it _ morning. good morning. this banking row. political views, it would - morning. good morning. this banking row. politicalviews, it would be - row. politicalviews, it would be interesting _ row. politicalviews, it would be interesting to _ row. politicalviews, it would be interesting to put _ row. politicalviews, it would be interesting to put them - row. politicalviews, it would be interesting to put them down, l row. politicalviews, it would be| interesting to put them down, in front— interesting to put them down, in front of— interesting to put them down, in front of a — interesting to put them down, in front of a select committee, hand on the bible _ front of a select committee, hand on the bible and asked the board their views— the bible and asked the board their views and _ the bible and asked the board their views and tendencies. nigel farage is still— views and tendencies. nigel farage is still a _ views and tendencies. nigel farage is still a very powerful figure, as this shows _ is still a very powerful figure, as this shows. a lot of people rallied to hint. _ this shows. a lot of people rallied to hint. he — this shows. a lot of people rallied to him, he can get things done. but ithink— to him, he can get things done. but i think you — to him, he can get things done. but i think you will find the root of all of— i think you will find the root of all of this— i think you will find the root of all of this is brexit. they never forgave — all of this is brexit. they never forgave him. the establishment has never— forgave him. the establishment has never forgiven him. they didn't believem — never forgiven him. they didn't believe... since then, he has been

pillared _ believe... since then, he has been pillared and — believe... since then, he has been pillared and this isjust another way for— pillared and this isjust another way for them to make him pay for what _ way for them to make him pay for what they— way for them to make him pay for what they think is a big mistake. it will be _ what they think is a big mistake. it will be interesting to actually see, all shareholders of the bank, all the board, — all shareholders of the bank, all the board, you can sit down and if they put— the board, you can sit down and if they put their hand on their heart, that is— they put their hand on their heart, that is the — they put their hand on their heart, that is the reason they went after hint _ that is the reason they went after hint you — that is the reason they went after him. you don't pull the tail of a tiger. _ him. you don't pull the tail of a tiger. do— him. you don't pull the tail of a tiger, do you? especially a sleeping tiger~ _ tiger, do you? especially a sleeping tiger~ the _ tiger, do you? especially a sleeping tiger. the fact that he's got... to -et tiger. the fact that he's got... to get this— tiger. the fact that he's got... to get this done in such a short time 'ust get this done in such a short time just shows — get this done in such a short time just shows that he is still a very, very— just shows that he is still a very, very influential man in this country _ very influential man in this country. you know, to me... to get work done. — country. you know, to me... to get work done, steve? _

country. you know, to me... to get work done, steve? if— country. you know, to me... to get work done, steve? if he _ country. you know, to me... to get work done, steve? if he is - country. you know, to me... to get work done, steve? if he is wrong i country. you know, to me... to get| work done, steve? if he is wrong he stands u- work done, steve? if he is wrong he stands up and _ work done, steve? if he is wrong he stands up and says _ work done, steve? if he is wrong he stands up and says it _ work done, steve? if he is wrong he stands up and says it understands i work done, steve? if he is wrong he| stands up and says it understands by it. stands up and says it understands by it there _ stands up and says it understands by it there are — stands up and says it understands by it. there are not many politicians in this— it. there are not many politicians in this country today with the same work— in this country today with the same work ethic— in this country today with the same work ethic as that, as nigel farage has got _ work ethic as that, as nigel farage has got i— work ethic as that, as nigel farage has got. i am afraid the bankjust picked _ has got. i am afraid the bankjust picked on — has got. i am afraid the bankjust picked on the wrong man and now they are paying _ picked on the wrong man and now they are paying for it. the whole board should _ are paying for it. the whole board should go — are paying for it. the whole board should go because it is an actual disgrace — should go because it is an actual disgrace what they have done. that would disgrace what they have done. ’tngt would destabilise the banking industry. would destabilise the banking indust . ,, . :, , would destabilise the banking indust .,, . :, , . :, would destabilise the banking indust .,, . :, , . industry. shareholders have to set the board down _ industry. shareholders have to set the board down and _ industry. shareholders have to set the board down and say, - industry. shareholders have to set the board down and say, why - industry. shareholders have to set the board down and say, why did l industry. shareholders have to set i the board down and say, why did you do it in— the board down and say, why did you do it in the _ the board down and say, why did you do it in the first place? for the board down and say, why did you

do it in the first place?— do it in the first place? for you, he is a great — do it in the first place? for you, he is a great antiestablishmentl he is a great antiestablishment figure in a sense, nigel farage? look, whether you agree with it or not, _ look, whether you agree with it or not. he _ look, whether you agree with it or not. he is — look, whether you agree with it or not. he is a — look, whether you agree with it or not, he is a principled man. that is lost in _ not, he is a principled man. that is lost in politics at the minute. this is a unique _ lost in politics at the minute. this is a unique figure _ lost in politics at the minute. tt 3 is a unique figure in many ways, in politics, a principled man? t is a unique figure in many ways, in politics, a principled man?- politics, a principled man? i think we are moving — politics, a principled man? i think we are moving away _ politics, a principled man? i think we are moving away from - politics, a principled man? i think we are moving away from the - politics, a principled man? i think. we are moving away from the issue here. i don't think we need to get into what nigel farage is or isn't. they handled it really badly and she probably did have to go but they should be able to choose who they want to do business with and make it a lot clearer and nobody should ever know. that is my point.— know. that is my point. thank you. points all along _ know. that is my point. thank you. points all along the _ know. that is my point. thank you. points all along the line, _ know. that is my point. thank you. points all along the line, very - points all along the line, very powerfully and intelligently made, as ever. thank you so much for the

texts and calls i would say looking at the dossier, a lot of stuff on the dossier, a lot of links to wikipedia. be careful. get in touch. keir starmer coming up at 10.00. likewise your questions for keir starmer, the leader of the opposition, the man who wants to be prime minister. i wonder what he makes of this question might get in touch. more to come. now for the news with deena campbell. the head of natwest, dame alison rose, has resigned in a row about the closure of nigel farage's account at coutts bank, which is part of natwest group. downing street had expressed "significant concerns" about her conduct, after she revealed she was the source of

an inaccurate bbc report — which claimed the former ukip leader's account was closed for commercial reasons. documents show that his political views were also considered. police in england are to reduce the number of mental health callouts dealt with by officers if there is no risk to life or a possible crime being committed. the new approach is being introduced over the next two years. charities say that already stretched mental health services, will have to respond instead.data commissioned by the bbc shows that there are, on average, twenty requests to view each home available to rent across britain. the figures, from the property website rightmove, show that competition for rental homes is at least three times higher than it was before the pandemic. a huge mechanical bull created for the opening ceremony of last year's commonwealth games in birmingham has been unveiled to the public at its new home in the city. the 30 foot sculpture — called ozzy — was initially meant to be dismantled but proved too popular. it's now at new street station. and the sport now with nick hatton. huge game for the republic

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nicky: coming up atio — the leader of the labour party, sir keir starmer, is with me in the studio to talk to you. he's taking your calls, your question — so what do you want to ask him? we'll try to get through as many as we possibly can. inflation, straight, blue, nigel farage — inflation, straight, blue, nigel farage. keir starmerat hand. don't

nresh— farage. keir starmerat hand. don't mesh -- _ farage. keir starmerat hand. don't mesh —— mess it. — miss it. jeremy hunt has expressed great concern about the situation and by jeremy hunt and back to acidic and every party has acted very well over this in the last few days. took team to praise them when he was being interviewed this morning on the bbc and jeremy hunt was described by nigel farage, he has a go atjeremy hunt, jeremy hunt is a pro—eu pro—ccp fraud wtf and a globalist politician, but there we are, jeremy hunt has come out for nigel farage.

hello. pete and angela. let's pick it up from pete. what's going on, pete? :: ' i~ it up from pete. what's going on, pete? ::'j~ ~ ., pete? june 2018 i was banking with a hirh pete? june 2018 i was banking with a hiuh street pete? june 2018 i was banking with a high street bank— pete? june 2018 i was banking with a high street bank and _ pete? june 2018 i was banking with a high street bank and i _ pete? june 2018 i was banking with a high street bank and i had _ pete? june 2018 i was banking with a high street bank and i had been - high street bank and i had been banking with them for at least ten years and what i didn't know was £17,000 was put into my bank account without me knowing it, and within a few hours the bank had then suspended my bank account, i then tried to inquire little bay i can't do anything, they couldn't tell me anything, told me to go to branch, it's a bit of a long story, but what basically happened over the next few months was i went to the banking

ombudsman and they basically were communicating with the bank, asking certain questions. the suspicion was that the money had come into my cone was some sort of money laundering, so within a couple of weeks i tried to open another bank account, i try to open another bank account, i try to open another bank account, i try to open three or four bank accounts in every single time they would open on principle and then when the 24 hours past they were shut again. i was put on a register called c fives, something that readily available, it is an interbank organisation where the bank share information in the f stands for fraud and basically there was a suspicion that i was involved in some sort of fraud. i mean, i wasn't at all. but the point about this was i could not open a bank account at all in any shape or form, therefore i couldn't work any more, i couldn't pay anything. because i couldn't

work, can earn, i went to the benefits people, and getting jobseeker�*s allowance, and they said we need your bank account and i said i haven't got one and they looked at me perplexed and said that is the only way we compete or benefit and i i said i haven't got a bank account and they said we cannot be a benefit, so this went over several months, and basically it was incredibly stressful because you can't function without a bank account. all my direct debits for insurances got cancelled and ijust couldn't function any shape or form. i wouldn't say i was quite near being suicidal but it was pretty close to it because i had the same rights and probably less than an asylum seeker because the banks have this power where they can unilaterally cancel you, and therefore cancel your bank account and cancel you as a person. critically as we are moving into a cashless society, the banks that have this power... even if i had committed some sort of fraud, there

is no way of me actually seeing, fine, if i committed fraud then reported to the police and there is a due process. this was all secretly done through the ombudsman, the banking ombudsman, who would communicate with the bank and communicate with the bank and communicate back with me. i couldn't even speak to the bank. and there are a well—known high street bank. it's unbelievable and i don't think i'm the only businesses happen to it and when i saw what happened in nigel farage, and i am no fan of his ithink nigel farage, and i am no fan of his i think quite a few people have echoed that, but i greatly sympathise with this position, because banks can do this, and when i saw what happened to him, ijust thought this is ridiculous. i'm just a nobody, but if they can do to nigel, they can do it to me, they can do to anyone. that is my rant. good to hear it, really important. this addresses the bigger issue that nigel farage are seeking to pinpoint and highlight, and i will be with you but i think andy has to go

pretty soon, thanks for coming on, i'm sorry to have kept you because you have to dash, and x fraud detective inspector, what are the implications of all this? its, detective inspector, what are the implications of all this?— implications of all this? a couple of thins. implications of all this? a couple of things- we — implications of all this? a couple of things. we need _ implications of all this? a couple of things. we need to _ implications of all this? a couple of things. we need to be - implications of all this? a couple | of things. we need to be careful, first of— of things. we need to be careful, first of all— of things. we need to be careful, first of all nigel farage wasn't denied — first of all nigel farage wasn't denied banking services as far as i understand, he was offered a natwest account _ understand, he was offered a natwest account i_ understand, he was offered a natwest account i don't think for a second hem _ account i don't think for a second hem i_ account i don't think for a second hem ithink— account i don't think for a second he... i think as you saw his absolute _ he... i think as you saw his absolute main concern is himself and he really— absolute main concern is himself and he really doesn't give a monkeys about— he really doesn't give a monkeys about the — he really doesn't give a monkeys about the man on the street. i've not listened to programme all morning — not listened to programme all morning but had one or two comments earlier— morning but had one or two comments earlier about _ morning but had one or two comments earlier about this sinister cabal of banks— earlier about this sinister cabal of banks asking you questions about nroney— banks asking you questions about money and where your money, while putting _ money and where your money, while putting money in, taking out... there _ putting money in, taking out... there is— putting money in, taking out... there is nothing really sinister about— there is nothing really sinister about this, it is to do with fraud and money—laundering. a lot of people — and money—laundering. a lot of people fall victim to fraud, they move _ people fall victim to fraud, they move money, elderly and vulnerable people. _ move money, elderly and vulnerable people, could push payments, authorise _ people, could push payments, authorise push payments, they get

convincing — authorise push payments, they get convincing to transferring money out of their— convincing to transferring money out of their accounts, the banks are becoming — of their accounts, the banks are becoming more and more liable to pay this money— becoming more and more liable to pay this money back, and so that's why they now— this money back, and so that's why they now when you try and do anything _ they now when you try and do anything on your phone, or anywhere else, _ anything on your phone, or anywhere else, you're — anything on your phone, or anywhere else, you're constantly asked are you sure. — else, you're constantly asked are you sure, what are you doing, is this related _ you sure, what are you doing, is this related to a particular transaction? are you buying something, do you know this person? it is something, do you know this person? it is banks— something, do you know this person? it is banks ensuring themselves anew against _ it is banks ensuring themselves anew against fraud. in terms of money—laundering, the gentleman, andrew, _ money—laundering, the gentleman, andrew, obviously banks have a statutory — andrew, obviously banks have a statutory duty to report suspicious activity _ statutory duty to report suspicious activity on — statutory duty to report suspicious activity on bank accounts. 0bviously money— activity on bank accounts. 0bviously money arriving in the bank account, a large _ money arriving in the bank account, a large unusual payment into a bank account, _ a large unusual payment into a bank account, it _ a large unusual payment into a bank account, it is— a large unusual payment into a bank account, it is often possible for the bank— account, it is often possible for the bank usually to know the circumstances of that payment are, they will— circumstances of that payment are, they will often report it, as they are obliged to come to the national crime _ are obliged to come to the national crime agency who will make a decision— crime agency who will make a decision on relation and speak to

the appropriate police force and decision— the appropriate police force and decision shall be made and that this is a statutory duty so i think... it is a statutory duty so i think... [it was is a statutory duty so i think... tit was devastating for him. is a statutory duty so i think... it was devastating for him. what i is a statutory duty so i think... it - was devastating for him. what nigel fara . e is was devastating for him. what nigel farage is talking _ was devastating for him. what nigel farage is talking about... _ was devastating for him. what nigel farage is talking about... it - was devastating for him. what nigel farage is talking about... it was - farage is talking about... it was devastating _ farage is talking about... it was devastating for _ farage is talking about... it was devastating for pete _ farage is talking about... it was devastating for pete that - farage is talking about... it was devastating for pete that you i devastating for pete that you mention there in east london because he was unable to function in society. he was unable to function in socie . ~ , ,:, , he was unable to function in socie , society. absolutely, the problem ou've society. absolutely, the problem you've got _ society. absolutely, the problem you've got is _ society. absolutely, the problem you've got is what _ society. absolutely, the problem you've got is what may _ society. absolutely, the problem you've got is what may be i society. absolutely, the problem you've got is what may be an i society. absolutely, the problem i you've got is what may be an unusual transaction— you've got is what may be an unusual transaction which clicks and allow, they take — transaction which clicks and allow, they take action and again, i did not hear— they take action and again, i did not hear the whole point of the action— not hear the whole point of the action itself may or may not be proportionate, the reality is it's part of— proportionate, the reality is it's part of the _ proportionate, the reality is it's part of the process and unfortunately, yes, i understand in certain— unfortunately, yes, i understand in certain circumstances that can cause problems— certain circumstances that can cause problems but the point i'm trying to make _ problems but the point i'm trying to make year— problems but the point i'm trying to make year and problems but the point i'm trying to make yearand i problems but the point i'm trying to make year and i think the most important — make year and i think the most important thing here is we mustn't conflate _ important thing here is we mustn't conflate what nigel farage is doing with the _ conflate what nigel farage is doing with the wider fight against fraud. britain _ with the wider fight against fraud. britain is — with the wider fight against fraud. britain is paradise for kleptocracy, money— britain is paradise for kleptocracy, money laundering, we are trying to put things— money laundering, we are trying to put things in place as a country to

prevent— put things in place as a country to prevent that, and unfortunately if mr nigel— prevent that, and unfortunately if mr nigel farage saying anyone should be able _ mr nigel farage saying anyone should be able to— mr nigel farage saying anyone should be able to open a bank account, well, _ be able to open a bank account, well, i_ be able to open a bank account, well, i think there needs to be some checks— well, i think there needs to be some checks and _ well, i think there needs to be some checks and balances. i�*m well, i think there needs to be some checks and balances.— well, i think there needs to be some checks and balances. i'm not sure he is sa in: checks and balances. i'm not sure he is saying that. _ checks and balances. i'm not sure he is saying that. i _ checks and balances. i'm not sure he is saying that, i think— checks and balances. i'm not sure he is saying that, i think you _ checks and balances. i'm not sure he is saying that, i think you saying i is saying that, i think you saying they should not be unjustifiably or arbitrarily closed because of what he says is the reason of his political beliefs. tt he says is the reason of his political beliefs.— he says is the reason of his political beliefs. it is appalling the way they've _ political beliefs. it is appalling the way they've handled i political beliefs. it is appalling the way they've handled this l political beliefs. it is appalling i the way they've handled this but the realitym _ the way they've handled this but the reality... the idea that mr nigel farage — reality... the idea that mr nigel farage cares more wildly about anyone — farage cares more wildly about anyone but himself is fanciful. he's dropped _ anyone but himself is fanciful. he's dropped out of the public eye for a while, _ dropped out of the public eye for a while, and — dropped out of the public eye for a while, and the stupidity there's been _ while, and the stupidity there's been a — while, and the stupidity there's been a massive opportunity for him to boost— been a massive opportunity for him to boost his — been a massive opportunity for him to boost his own profile. we need to be careful— to boost his own profile. we need to be careful to think he is representing people. if you want to hear someone on the radio he has

sensible _ hear someone on the radio he has sensible advice, listen to martin lewis _ sensible advice, listen to martin lewis i— sensible advice, listen to martin lewis. i think nigel farage here is in danger— lewis. i think nigel farage here is in danger of associating some of the things— in danger of associating some of the things banks legitimately do to prevent— things banks legitimately do to prevent fraud and money—laundering with a _ prevent fraud and money—laundering with a sinister political campaign to stop _ with a sinister political campaign to stop people opening bank accounts and that's— to stop people opening bank accounts and that's very dangerous because if we lose _ and that's very dangerous because if we lose confidence in what banks do, i we lose confidence in what banks do, i don't _ we lose confidence in what banks do, i don't represent banks, don't work for a _ i don't represent banks, don't work for a bank, — i don't represent banks, don't work fora bank, never i don't represent banks, don't work for a bank, never have, we are i don't represent banks, don't work fora bank, never have, we are in danger— fora bank, never have, we are in danger of— fora bank, never have, we are in danger of making money laundering even easier than it is for some of the kleptocracy is from outside of this country. the kleptocracy is from outside of this country-— the kleptocracy is from outside of this country. very clearly put, and in aldershot. _ this country. very clearly put, and in aldershot. x _ this country. very clearly put, and in aldershot, x fraud _ this country. very clearly put, and in aldershot, x fraud inspector. i in aldershot, x fraud inspector. pete excluded basically from functioning in society. is this happening a lot, angela? it is the massive power grab overreach by the banks? :, �* , :,

massive power grab overreach by the banks? :, �*, :, banks? no, it's not the banks, actually. _ banks? no, it's not the banks, actually. and _ banks? no, it's not the banks, actually, and i _ banks? no, it's not the banks, actually, and i don't _ banks? no, it's not the banks, actually, and i don't think- banks? no, it's not the banks, actually, and i don't think it i banks? no, it's not the banks, actually, and i don't think it is| actually, and i don't think it is overreach. this is the law and the law requires banks to do certain things when there is an amount of money that comes in or goes out of your bank account. and so we can't say the bank... you can't say that the bank, you have to let things go regardless. the requirements for reporting on suspicious transactions, which is transactions which don't have a reason behind them, are very clear. and as the expert has just them, are very clear. and as the expert hasjust said, them, are very clear. and as the expert has just said, the amount of money that comes into account, a question mark is raised, the bank is to report it andy? that is raised is within the bank's systems, it gets reported and then investigated. where i think that clearly... pete?

where i think that clearly... pete? where pete had a real problem, which to my mind was an unnecessary one, isjust to my mind was an unnecessary one, is just how long it took to get this resolved. and it is correct that the lord does not allow the bank then to communicate with someone who could be, there is a? overfraud. but he did wait months and months and i do think that is a very great pity and when this does happen to somebody i do think that that investigation needs to take place very quickly indeed. the whole pressure on the banks, by the way, the moment, is all about not letting through anything that remotely looks suspicious. it's why we have to say where our money comes from, as a source of funds. it's why even when you are banking online you get

frequent messages saying are you sure? who is this that european? who is this that your brain? it is it family orfriends? are is this that your brain? it is it family or friends? are you sure you want to pay them? fraudsters have really got into the system big time, so what tends to happen and i'm really sorry that it does, is under those circumstances. the law tightens up when it catches a whole load of us who are innocent people. got you. there are other voices i want to hear, angela, and absolutely. ijust want want to hear, angela, and absolutely. i just want to ask a very quick question. is it ever right to take in somebody —— take somebody's political views and political statements into account, yer... in my view, if you are

allowed by law to say what you said, thenit allowed by law to say what you said, then it cannot be taken into account and used against you. and if i may say, in this whole thing, this whole discussion, we do need to have to separate out what is the law, what is regulations, and what happened when two and the nigel farage piece is we now know it is all about his political views. we have run in this country for generations under a sort of phraseology which says i may dislike what they say but i defend to the right to say it. and you cannot should not be discriminative for holding if you simply because it is a view that is not that of other people. it is a sort of no platforming kind of relationship where people... tram platforming kind of relationship where people...— platforming kind of relationship where --eole... :,. . ,, , where people... two separate issues and mr faraj — where people... two separate issues and mr faraj offered _ where people... two separate issues and mr faraj offered another - where people... two separate issues and mr faraj offered another bank i and mr faraj offered another bank account with a free biro and all

that stuff —— mr nigel farage. hello jane and jennifer. this is interesting. why are you interested, janejennifer? just interesting. why are you interested, janejennifer?— janejennifer? just because it was kind of a moral _ janejennifer? just because it was kind of a moral thing. _ janejennifer? just because it was kind of a moral thing. some i janejennifer? just because it was i kind of a moral thing. some somebody comes into your house, i think you have the right to say i don't like you, don't worry to men, but if the commentary house, you still can break the law, you cannot use them in public this coronation comes into that. i don't know too much about the law. —— public discrimination. if you said you can't come into my pub, you can't say that because they might be privately run that they are operating in the public domain, sol think they have a wider responsibility towards society and towards the laws of society that pull society together. and i like

nigel farage but i think that this case that he is making is a good one because i don't think banks have the right to discriminate and i wanted to say with your collar, was it petehad a similar experience, i came here into this in 17, after a traumatic event in south africa i lost everything so gaming for about 150 euros and got the job straightaway with a cade agency and wanted to pay into a bank account went from bank to bank to bank and they would not open a bank account for me, and eventually i went to one and i was angry but also kind of desperate so i went to someone why when you give me one and the guy was kind of non—plus and went well, try these options first, and then come back to his. so i said why bother? i have tried those options with anybody else, why can't i have a bank account? he said i would talk to somebody and i got my bank account. and i have gone from

strength to strength. but i was quite terrified.— strength to strength. but i was quite terrified. exactly. we heard from other— quite terrified. exactly. we heard from other callers, _ quite terrified. exactly. we heard from other callers, the _ quite terrified. exactly. we heardj from other callers, the processes are unnecessary because —— are absolutely necessary because of the corruption, the kleptocracy. i'm glad all worked out. jane and harlow, nigel farage, there is a trigger, go on. t harlow, nigel farage, there is a trigger. go om— harlow, nigel farage, there is a trigger, go on. i would never vote for him, trigger, go on. i would never vote for him. i — trigger, go on. i would never vote for him, i never _ trigger, go on. i would never vote for him, i never have. _ trigger, go on. i would never vote for him, i never have. but i trigger, go on. i would never vote for him, i never have. but he i trigger, go on. i would never vote for him, i never have. but he still| for him, i never have. but he still has the _ for him, i never have. but he still has the right— for him, i never have. but he still has the right to have an account and they do— has the right to have an account and they do not— has the right to have an account and they do not have the right to discriminate against them. that is illegal _ discriminate against them. that is illegal. some of us are old enough to rememberwhen illegal. some of us are old enough to remember when science were up that said _ to remember when science were up that said no — to remember when science were up that said no dogs, no blacks, and things— that said no dogs, no blacks, and things like — that said no dogs, no blacks, and things like that, that is no longer allowed. — things like that, that is no longer allowed, and... fire things like that, that is no longer allowed, and...— things like that, that is no longer allowed, and... are you equating? yes, i do equate _ allowed, and... are you equating? yes, i do equate the _ allowed, and... are you equating? yes, i do equate the two _ allowed, and... are you equating? yes, i do equate the two is i allowed, and... are you equating? yes, i do equate the two is the i yes, i do equate the two is the same — yes, i do equate the two is the same they— yes, i do equate the two is the same. they are not special, they

don't~~~ — same. they are not special, they don't... people i knew who are no longer— don't... people i knew who are no longer with— don't... people i knew who are no longer with us were nothing more than people that worked as an ambulance driver for argument sake, that's— ambulance driver for argument sake, that's no— ambulance driver for argument sake, that's no different from any other bank _ that's no different from any other bank but— that's no different from any other bank. but my concern is, who is making — bank. but my concern is, who is making this _ bank. but my concern is, who is making this decision? it is reading the sweets? —— the tweets? what special— the sweets? —— the tweets? what special ability do they have? probably none. they are looking at that in— probably none. they are looking at that in a _ probably none. they are looking at that in a view of their own. do they do it with all _ that in a view of their own. do they do it with all of _ that in a view of their own. do they do it with all of us? _ that in a view of their own. do they do it with all of us? yeah... i that in a view of their own. do they do it with all of us? yeah... thank| do it with all of us? yeah... thank you. thank you for your points. who is doing it? thank you for your points. i don't agree with what you equate it with but i defend your right to equate it. who is doing this? : , , :, , . ,

this? are they the people that used to be on a counter— this? are they the people that used to be on a counter but _ this? are they the people that used to be on a counter but i _ this? are they the people that used to be on a counter but i can - this? are they the people that used to be on a counter but i can no i to be on a counter but i can no longer— to be on a counter but i can no longer find _ to be on a counter but i can no longer find any bank? that's what i want _ longer find any bank? that's what i want. ~ �* :, a longer find any bank? that's what i | want._ a personality want. with the biro... a personality counter, want. with the biro... a personality counter. rrot — want. with the biro... a personality counter, not use _ want. with the biro... a personality counter, not use a _ want. with the biro... a personality counter, not use a machine. i want. with the biro... a personality counter, not use a machine. with i want. with the biro... a personality. counter, not use a machine. with the bible on the — counter, not use a machine. with the bible on the wrong _ counter, not use a machine. with the bible on the wrong side _ counter, not use a machine. with the bible on the wrong side for _ counter, not use a machine. with the bible on the wrong side for us i bible on the wrong side for us left—handed people. let me bring that one into it. that was all a long time ago. —— the biro on the wrong side. david in norwich is gone, why? steve in suffolk, hello. let's hear it for left—handed people. the element that is a brilliant point you make about the biro role, however... it is an entire phone in, mate, isn't it? that should be nigel farage's next mission, get the biro on the left, you're tugging the chain so much you break the thing. at the taxpayer's expense. break the thing. at the taxpayer's exense. :. , break the thing. at the taxpayer's exense. . , , :,

break the thing. at the taxpayer's exense. :, y , :, . break the thing. at the taxpayer's exense. . , , :, . . expense. the lady before me made a ve aood expense. the lady before me made a very good point. _ expense. the lady before me made a very good point. l — expense. the lady before me made a very good point, i think. _ expense. the lady before me made a very good point, i think. who i expense. the lady before me made a very good point, i think. who is i very good point, i think. who is making these decisions spice i've got an image of armies of some kind of civil service looking into people's tweets and facebook posts and goodness knows what else? exactly, who is doing it? it is a fiasco, i don't _ exactly, who is doing it? it is a fiasco, i don't agree _ exactly, who is doing it? it is a fiasco, i don't agree with i exactly, who is doing it? it is a fiasco, i don't agree with nigel farage's views, but that is completely beside the point, it's not going out to murder someone. he's got perfectly legal views, whether i disagree or not. entirely olitical? whether i disagree or not. entirely political? l'm _ whether i disagree or not. entirely political? i'm afraid _ whether i disagree or not. entirely political? i'm afraid to _ whether i disagree or not. entirely

political? i'm afraid to say. i whether i disagree or not. entirely political? i'm afraid to say. therel political? i'm afraid to say. there seems to be _ political? i'm afraid to say. there seems to be an _ political? i'm afraid to say. there seems to be an element - political? i'm afraid to say. there seems to be an element of i seems to be an element of personal... the modern version of freedom is freedom so long as she reviews the mac and other quote, freedom is the right to tell people what they don't want here. yes. an one what they don't want here. yes. anyone who _ what they don't want here. yes. anyone who quotes _ what they don't want here. yes. anyone who quotes george i what they don't want here. yes. anyone who quotes george orwell is good with me. anyone who quotes george orwell is good with me— anyone who quotes george orwell is good with me._ and i anyone who quotes george orwell is good with me._ and what | good with me. thank you. and what did we say about _ good with me. thank you. and what did we say about left-handed i good with me. thank you. and what i did we say about left-handed people? did we say about left—handed people? we all are equal but some writers are more equal than others, some pen holders. steve in suffolk there. an exhaustive list of brilliant colours this morning. shall i do some text

for you? this morning. shall i do some text foryou? can this morning. shall i do some text for you? can i even find my text consul in the midst of this mayhem? here we are, cure storm coming up at ten o'clock, taking your calls. my banks have been brilliant, recently i was almost project of £1200 on the banks intervened and recovered my money. i can see a wrong word about them. jenny, what are your political beliefs? lo, nikki, ifi them. jenny, what are your political beliefs? lo, nikki, if i was a pro eu, pro—immigration, with mac have accepted my application to the ukip party or would i have been excluded? and this one, whether you like or dislike nigel farage, this horrendous bank has gone too far by closing his account. his personal views are not for the bank to judge, and i sure there are people who work

for coutts that nigel farage would personally not good to be associated with but he does not have access to their private information. perhaps he should. angela, thank you very much indeed for coming on this morning, and all the brilliant callers. a lot of people who are not fans of nigel farage have been very supportive of nigel farage on the phonein supportive of nigel farage on the phone in this morning. so, thank you. get in touch on the usual number. and put a question in the next half hour or so to sir keir starmer who i will formally introduce to you after we've heard the news, coming up right now, so it will be a very interesting error and have her after that. you can tell us what you will make of it all. it's all for you.

here is the news from deena campbell coming up injust a second. right now, what do you want to ask nigel farage about? do you want to ask about immigration, tenth width? did i say nigel farage? easy mistake to make! keir starmer coming up. whatever you want to ask about, you can ask him. call me on 08085 909693, text 85058. get in touch. without any further ado, here is the news from deena campbell. thank you. nigel farage has welcomed the resignation of the chief executive of natwest,

dame alison rose after she admitted she was the source of an inaccurate story about the closure of his accounts at coutts bank. she'd claimed he didn't have enough money in them. lloyds banking group has announced a surge in profits, as it benefits from higher borrowing costs. the group made £3.9 billion in the six months to the end ofjune — more than 20% higher than in the same period last year. charities have warned that mental health services could be further stretched, by a decision by police in england to stop responding to concerns about mental health. officers will only attend if there's a possible crime or a risk to life. there are indications a consultation on the closure of ticket offices at railway stations across england, will be extended. the rail delivery group says many offices are increasingly under—used, with most people buying tickets online orfrom machines. but there have been complaints particularly from disabled people who say they'll be adversely affected.

sir keir starmer, good morning. thank you forjoining us. i am glad you are here to take people's calls. i am sorry that in the rush and excitement i referred to you as nigel farage. we have been speaking about mr farage for the last hour or so. do you had sympathy for him? natwest got this one wrong and that is why alison rose had to resign, really. i think that is fairly straightforward. 50 really. i think that is fairly straightforward.— really. i think that is fairly straightforward. really. i think that is fairly straiuhtforward. , straightforward. so you feel sorry for mr farage _ straightforward. so you feel sorry for mr farage in _ straightforward. so you feel sorry for mr farage in this _ straightforward. so you feel sorry for mr farage in this situation? i for mr farage in this situation? yes, he shouldn't have had his personal details are revealed like that. it doesn't matter who you are, that. it doesn't matter who you are, thatis that. it doesn't matter who you are, that is a general rule. [30 that. it doesn't matter who you are, that is a general rule.— that is a general rule. do you think there is a broader— that is a general rule. do you think there is a broader issue _ that is a general rule. do you think there is a broader issue here, i that is a general rule. do you think| there is a broader issue here, about people who are being de—banked? he says he is representing tens of

thousands of people, do you think there is something in that? i thousands of people, do you think there is something in that? i don't think anybody _ there is something in that? i don't think anybody should _ there is something in that? i don't think anybody should be _ there is something in that? i don't think anybody should be refused l think anybody should be refused banking services because of their political views, whoever they are. so i don't know the extent of this but that certainly shouldn't be the case. obviously, that is... except for extreme circumstances, like terrorism but as a broad spectrum, nobody should be refused because of their political views. [30 nobody should be refused because of their political views.— their political views. do they have too much power _ their political views. do they have too much power when _ their political views. do they have too much power when it - their political views. do they have too much power when it comes i their political views. do they have too much power when it comes to individual people? i too much power when it comes to individual people?— too much power when it comes to individual people? i am surprised to hear these stories _ individual people? i am surprised to hear these stories of _ individual people? i am surprised to hear these stories of banks - individual people? i am surprised to hear these stories of banks taking i hear these stories of banks taking into account people's political views, if they are, i don't know if we have got to the bottom of this. that shouldn't happen and shouldn't be a reason to review someone banking services.— be a reason to review someone bankina services. ,, ., ., banking services. should we do this? we have andy _ banking services. should we do this? we have andy in _ banking services. should we do this? we have andy in chatham, _ banking services. should we do this? we have andy in chatham, good - we have andy in chatham, good morning. good morning. fire away. good morning, sir keir starmer. my question— good morning, sir keir starmer. my question is— good morning, sir keir starmer. my question is a — good morning, sir keir starmer. my question is a little long winded but bear with_ question is a little long winded but bear with me. since jeremy hunt and

rishi sunak— bear with me. since jeremy hunt and rishi sunak set up the mortgage charter_ rishi sunak set up the mortgage charter to— rishi sunak set up the mortgage charter to try and protect people like myself, namely due to my mortgage going up by £1300 in 12 months. — mortgage going up by £1300 in 12 months, what would the labour party do for— months, what would the labour party do for someone like myself, who is essentially— do for someone like myself, who is essentially what is known as a mortgage prisoner, alongside thousands of others? what is the solution? — thousands of others? what is the solution? , , , ., thousands of others? what is the solution? , , ., ., solution? firstly, if your mortgage has one solution? firstly, if your mortgage has gone up _ solution? firstly, if your mortgage has gone up £1300 _ solution? firstly, if your mortgage has gone up £1300 i _ solution? firstly, if your mortgage has gone up £1300 i have - solution? firstly, if your mortgage has gone up £1300 i have every i has gone up £1300 i have every sympathy for you because so many people are suffering with extra mortgages. what we said should happen is not a voluntary scheme but should be mandatory for those providing mortgages to allow you and others to change onto different schemes without any harm to yourself, as it were, in terms of credit standing. whether that is to have a longer scheme, go on to interest only for a while. so that is what we would do right now, andy. but i think it is important to recognise that many mortgages have

gone up because of the damage this government has done to our economy. most people who were not on a fixed term mortgage last autumn saw their mortgages go up as a result of what liz truss did to the economy with that mini—budget. there was an immediate cost, a premium if you like to mortgage holders. we have seen it again and it is really hurting people in a cost of living crisis. ., . , , ., crisis. how much is it hurting you, and ? crisis. how much is it hurting you, andy? there _ crisis. how much is it hurting you, andy? there are _ crisis. how much is it hurting you, andy? there are debates - crisis. how much is it hurting you, andy? there are debates as - crisis. how much is it hurting you, andy? there are debates as to - crisis. how much is it hurting you, | andy? there are debates as to the long—term effect of that mini—budget. we won't go into that yet or here but i want to hear from you, how much is it hitting your personal finances, you, how much is it hitting your personalfinances, how painful you, how much is it hitting your personal finances, how painful is it? , personal finances, how painful is it? y i personal finances, how painful is it? y . personal finances, how painful is it? _, . i, it? very painful. when you are -a in: it? very painful. when you are paying £1700 _ it? very painful. when you are paying £1700 a _ it? very painful. when you are paying £1700 a month - it? very painful. when you are paying £1700 a month for - it? very painful. when you are paying £1700 a month for a . paying £1700 a month for a reasonable sized property in kent and now— reasonable sized property in kent and now you are paying nearly £3000 and now you are paying nearly £3000 a month, _ and now you are paying nearly £3000 a month, running twojobs, running a whole _ a month, running twojobs, running a whole household and looking into the abyss _ whole household and looking into the abyss. variable rate... what

whole household and looking into the abyss. variable rate. . ._ abyss. variable rate... what is the ab ss, abyss. variable rate. .. what is the abyss. tell— abyss. variable rate... what is the abyss. tell me _ abyss. variable rate... what is the abyss, tell me more _ abyss. variable rate... what is the abyss, tell me more about - abyss. variable rate... what is the abyss, tell me more about it, - abyss. variable rate... what is the | abyss, tell me more about it, what is it like? ~ ., , ., is it like? well... i have spoken to ou is it like? well... i have spoken to you before — is it like? well... i have spoken to you before a _ is it like? well... i have spoken to you before a few _ is it like? well... i have spoken to you before a few weeks _ is it like? well... i have spoken to you before a few weeks ago. - is it like? well... i have spoken to you before a few weeks ago. it - is it like? well... i have spoken to. you before a few weeks ago. it is... essentially, — you before a few weeks ago. it is... essentially, itjust affects essentially, it just affects everything essentially, itjust affects everything in life. it affect your mental— everything in life. it affect your mental health. i am under a mental health— mental health. i am under a mental health scheme in my local area. they worry— health scheme in my local area. they worry about _ health scheme in my local area. they worry about me on a daily basis. when _ worry about me on a daily basis. when your— worry about me on a daily basis. when your rate goes up to 9.29% and you cant— when your rate goes up to 9.29% and you can't change it and your mortgage provider hasn't signed up to the _ mortgage provider hasn't signed up to the charter because they know if they do— to the charter because they know if they do sign up to the charter then they do sign up to the charter then they have — they do sign up to the charter then they have to cut their customers some _ they have to cut their customers some slack, what can you do? here is the question. — some slack, what can you do? here is the question. is _ some slack, what can you do? here is the question, is there _ some slack, what can you do? here is the question, is there any _ some slack, what can you do? here is the question, is there any actual- the question, is there any actual financial help for mortgage holders forthcoming from labour or will you wait for interest rates to come

down? �* f , wait for interest rates to come down? �* wait for interest rates to come down? , down? andy's case highlights the difference between _ down? andy's case highlights the difference between us _ down? andy's case highlights the difference between us and - down? andy's case highlights the difference between us and the i difference between us and the government because we said there should be mandatory, the ability to change your mortgage to interest only or prolong it so your rate can be lower on a monthly basis. the government had said no. i think you just said your mortgage holder is not signing up so you don't get the benefit of that. so if we were in power, we would have forced every provider to sign up and therefore you would be helped, andy. that is the difference between the two. what you are sharing is obviously the human impact of this. we often talk about the numbers, the percentages etc but yours is the human story behind this, which is individuals whose mortgages have gone up really suffering now as a result of the damage that is being done to our economy under this government. these are human stories. there is a woman in selby, alice, who has an ii—month—old baby, who wanted to move to a new house so she could be near her parents, have an extra room for the baby and then the mortgage rate went up. it was an extra £200 a

month in her case and her dream was completely shattered. so you and alice in that case, that is the human cost of the damage being done to our economy. but the difference would be, if we were in power, we would be, if we were in power, we would have required those mortgage providers to sign up to the charter and you would be better off. andy, thank ou and you would be better off. andy, thank you very _ and you would be better off. andy, thank you very much _ and you would be better off. andy, thank you very much indeed. - and you would be better off. andy, thank you very much indeed. good| and you would be better off. andy, thank you very much indeed. good to talk to you again. didn't realise we had spoken before but i wish you the very best. andy represents, to remind our listeners and viewers, on this phone in, heartbreaking call after a heartbreaking call on the situation people are in with their mortgages. lorraine in hillingdon, good morning. mortgages. lorraine in hillingdon, good morning-— good morning. good morning, gentlemen- — good morning. good morning, gentlemen. good _ good morning. good morning, gentlemen. good morning. i good morning. good morning, i gentlemen. good morning. good morninu. gentlemen. good morning. good morning- as _ gentlemen. good morning. good morning. as you _ gentlemen. good morning. good morning. as you can _ gentlemen. good morning. good morning. as you can imagine, i gentlemen. good morning. good| morning. as you can imagine, my gentlemen. good morning. good - morning. as you can imagine, my call is about— morning. as you can imagine, my call is about the _ morning. as you can imagine, my call is about the ulez expansion which is affecting _ is about the ulez expansion which is affecting the area which i live in and has — affecting the area which i live in and has alsojust affecting the area which i live in and has also just affected a local by—election, as i am sure you know. ijust— by—election, as i am sure you know. ijust wondered if

by—election, as i am sure you know. i just wondered if you by—election, as i am sure you know. ijust wondered if you realised the impact _ ijust wondered if you realised the impact that this expansion is going to have _ impact that this expansion is going to have on — impact that this expansion is going to have on local residents? lorraine, _ to have on local residents? lorraine, i_ to have on local residents? lorraine, i absolutely do. as you rightly say, we had a by—election, a number of by—elections last week, but one of them was in uxbridge, where we hoped to win it but we didn't win it. we had many, many people in uxbridge talking to voters. i think we spoke to about two thirds of their voters across uxbridge and ulez came up, as you can imagine because in the middle of the cost of living crisis, having to pay more to drive your car is something which is very, very difficult for many, many families. it really is. obviously we are adjacent _ it really is. obviously we are adjacent to the m25 and the m4—macro and heathrow airport. the real issue. — and heathrow airport. the real issue. it— and heathrow airport. the real issue. if it _ and heathrow airport. the real issue, if it is air quality, then i think— issue, if it is air quality, then i think that _ issue, if it is air quality, then i think that should be taken into account — think that should be taken into account. people will be just diverting around, driving on the m25

and m4— diverting around, driving on the m25 and m4 where they are not restricted, parking and a quarter of a mile _ restricted, parking and a quarter of a mile away, whether in berkshire or buckinghamshire. so all is doing is pushing _ buckinghamshire. so all is doing is pushing congestion and traffic and noncompliant vehicles into the surrounding areas.— noncompliant vehicles into the surrounding areas. what i would say is that the ulez, _ surrounding areas. what i would say is that the ulez, you _ surrounding areas. what i would say is that the ulez, you are _ surrounding areas. what i would say is that the ulez, you are making - is that the ulez, you are making points made again and again and we have had wild phone—ins on this. but then there is the environment. then then there is the environment. then the direct question, keir starmer, what do you want sadiq khan to do? to reflect on it.— to reflect on it. what does that mean? it's _ to reflect on it. what does that mean? it's being _ to reflect on it. what does that mean? it's being rolled - to reflect on it. what does that mean? it's being rolled out - to reflect on it. what does that| mean? it's being rolled out and to reflect on it. what does that i mean? it's being rolled out and i want him to _ mean? it's being rolled out and i want him to reflect _ mean? it's being rolled out and i want him to reflect on _ mean? it's being rolled out and i want him to reflect on that - want him to reflect on that roll-out _ want him to reflect on that roll-out— want him to reflect on that roll-out. ~ . ., ., ~ ., roll-out. we have had a week of reflection. _ roll-out. we have had a week of reflection, what _ roll-out. we have had a week of reflection, what has _ roll-out. we have had a week of reflection, what has come - roll-out. we have had a week of reflection, what has come out . roll-out. we have had a week of| reflection, what has come out of that? , ., ., , .,. reflection, what has come out of that? , ., ., , ., , that? there is a law in place, as ou that? there is a law in place, as you know. _ that? there is a law in place, as you know, which _ that? there is a law in place, as you know, which requires - that? there is a law in place, as you know, which requires the i that? there is a law in place, as - you know, which requires the mayor of london _ you know, which requires the mayor of london to— you know, which requires the mayor of london to take measures to reduce air pollution — of london to take measures to reduce air pollution. so once it gets above air pollution. so once it gets above a certain— air pollution. so once it gets above a certain level, he is required to

take- _ a certain level, he is required to take- and — a certain level, he is required to take— and that is a measure this has put in _ take— and that is a measure this has put in place — take— and that is a measure this has put in place. the law is driven by the government and a first ulez scheme — the government and a first ulez scheme was introduced by a tory mayor~ _ scheme was introduced by a tory mayor~ it— scheme was introduced by a tory mayor. it has been politicised but it's about — mayor. it has been politicised but it's about air pollution. i want them — it's about air pollution. i want them to— it's about air pollution. i want them to reflect and look at the scheme — them to reflect and look at the scheme and see if there are things that can _ scheme and see if there are things that can be — scheme and see if there are things that can be done to make it easier for people — that can be done to make it easier for people like lorraine. i spoke to him immediately after the by—election and have been speaking to his _ by—election and have been speaking to his team — by—election and have been speaking to his team beforehand. a by-election and have been speaking to his team beforehand.— to his team beforehand. a frank exchanre to his team beforehand. a frank exchange of— to his team beforehand. a frank exchange of views? _ to his team beforehand. a frank exchange of views? i _ to his team beforehand. a frank exchange of views? i have - to his team beforehand. a frank exchange of views? i have a - to his team beforehand. a frank exchange of views? i have a lot| to his team beforehand. a frank l exchange of views? i have a lot of resect exchange of views? i have a lot of respect for _ exchange of views? i have a lot of respect for the — exchange of views? i have a lot of respect for the mayor _ exchange of views? i have a lot of respect for the mayor of _ exchange of views? i have a lot of respect for the mayor of london, | respect for the mayor of london, i've known— respect for the mayor of london, i've known him a long time. what you want him to — i've known him a long time. what you want him to do? _ i've known him a long time. what you want him to do? to _ i've known him a long time. what you want him to do? to reflect _ i've known him a long time. what you want him to do? to reflect and - i've known him a long time. what you want him to do? to reflect and see i want him to do? to reflect and see what more — want him to do? to reflect and see what more can _ want him to do? to reflect and see what more can be _ want him to do? to reflect and see what more can be done. _ want him to do? to reflect and see what more can be done. there - want him to do? to reflect and see what more can be done. there are | want him to do? to reflect and see | what more can be done. there are a number— what more can be done. there are a number of— what more can be done. there are a number of things we discussed. the first is— number of things we discussed. the first is the _ number of things we discussed. the first is the scrappage scheme, the money— first is the scrappage scheme, the money people get if they actually change _ money people get if they actually change their car. the government has put money— change their car. the government has put money behind similar schemes in other— put money behind similar schemes in other places, birmingham and bristol, — other places, birmingham and bristol, but it hasn't put any money into london — bristol, but it hasn't put any money into london. i think the government should _ into london. i think the government should do— into london. i think the government should do that because obviously the cost, the _ should do that because obviously the cost, the dilemma people have is, do i change _ cost, the dilemma people have is, do i change my— cost, the dilemma people have is, do i change my car which might cost me money— i change my car which might cost me money or— i change my car which might cost me money or pay this daily charge? if we make — money or pay this daily charge? if we make it —

money or pay this daily charge? if we make it easier for them to change their car— we make it easier for them to change their car with we make it easier for them to change their carwith a we make it easier for them to change their car with a proper scrappage scheme — their car with a proper scrappage scheme, that massively helps people like lorraine but the government at the moment won't do it. that is one measure _ the moment won't do it. that is one measure. but in the exchange i had with sadiq _ measure. but in the exchange i had with sadiq i— measure. but in the exchange i had with sadiq i want to look more broadly — with sadiq i want to look more broadl . �* ,. ., broadly. but the scheme will go ahead, broadly. but the scheme will go ahead. the _ broadly. but the scheme will go ahead, the expansion _ broadly. but the scheme will go ahead, the expansion will - broadly. but the scheme will go ahead, the expansion will go i broadly. but the scheme will go - ahead, the expansion will go ahead? that is a decision for the mayor but i want _ that is a decision for the mayor but i want them — that is a decision for the mayor but i want them to reflect on that. a lot of i want them to reflect on that. lot of reflection going on. do you think the expansion should go ahead? this is the problem. before that by—election, the esteemed chris mason asked you about ulez and you kind of dodged the question about six times. people don't want dodging or dithering, they want decisions and answers, do you want a scheme to go ahead? j and answers, do you want a scheme to no ahead? ., , , and answers, do you want a scheme to . ahead? . , , ., go ahead? i realise why you are -auttin go ahead? i realise why you are putting this _ go ahead? i realise why you are putting this to _ go ahead? i realise why you are putting this to me _ go ahead? i realise why you are putting this to me in _ go ahead? i realise why you are putting this to me in this - go ahead? i realise why you are putting this to me in this way. l go ahead? i realise why you are i putting this to me in this way. but we can't _ putting this to me in this way. but we can't pretend that this is a simple — we can't pretend that this is a simple political decision you can 'ust simple political decision you can just say— simple political decision you can just say yes or no without regard to the legal— just say yes or no without regard to the legal context. if the law requires _ the legal context. if the law requires a measure to be taken, it is not _ requires a measure to be taken, it is not the — requires a measure to be taken, it is not the gift of the mayor to say

i am _ is not the gift of the mayor to say i am simply not going to do it. so he has _ i am simply not going to do it. so he has to— i am simply not going to do it. so he has to do— i am simply not going to do it. so he has to do something. what i am working _ he has to do something. what i am working with him on and asking him to reflect _ working with him on and asking him to reflect on — working with him on and asking him to reflect on is in this game is there — to reflect on is in this game is there more we can do to help people like lorraine? that is an ongoing discussion — like lorraine? that is an ongoing discussion. obviously i am not going to put— discussion. obviously i am not going to put suggestions on air as to where — to put suggestions on air as to where it— to put suggestions on air as to where it should be resolved. i'm well aware — where it should be resolved. i'm well aware of the problem. it is not 'ust well aware of the problem. it is not just a _ well aware of the problem. it is not just a question of a political choice — just a question of a political choice that i or sadiq can say yes or no _ choice that i or sadiq can say yes or no if— choice that i or sadiq can say yes or no if the _ choice that i or sadiq can say yes or no. if the law requires you to do something. — or no. if the law requires you to do something, you can't simply do nothing — something, you can't simply do nothinu. ., ~ i. , something, you can't simply do nothinu. ., ~ ,, , . nothing. thank you very much, lorraine- _ nothing. thank you very much, lorraine. reflecting _ nothing. thank you very much, lorraine. reflecting what - nothing. thank you very much, lorraine. reflecting what a - nothing. thank you very much, lorraine. reflecting what a lot | nothing. thank you very much, l lorraine. reflecting what a lot of people are saying. newsjustin, junior doctors in england are to stage a four—day walk—out from august the 11th to the 15th. the british medical association have announced that. more on that on the bbc website on the app and radio five live. i will come to that point with you because it has just come in and it is so important to so many people listening but i want to get another caller on first. let's regroup on that. that is, let me see

now, sally. hello. blue macro hello, good morning. now, sally. hello. blue macro hello, good morning-— good morning. good morning, sally. good morning- _ good morning. basically, i'm wondering what you are going — basically, i'm wondering what you are going to do about their dental health— are going to do about their dental health crisis. i always vote for labour— health crisis. i always vote for labour but _ health crisis. i always vote for labour but ijust feel that if you come _ labour but ijust feel that if you come into— labour but ijust feel that if you come into power, will there be a turnaround — come into power, will there be a turnaround in what's happening? because — turnaround in what's happening? because i've actually had to pull, living _ because i've actually had to pull, living in— because i've actually had to pull, living in cornwall now, there is no nhs dentist. there are but you have to have _ nhs dentist. there are but you have to have a _ nhs dentist. there are but you have to have a plan with them, so basically— to have a plan with them, so basically it is, they have all gone private — basically it is, they have all gone rivate. ., ., ., private. how are your teeth, how have ou private. how are your teeth, how have you been — private. how are your teeth, how have you been coping? _ private. how are your teeth, how have you been coping? it - private. how are your teeth, how have you been coping? it has - private. how are your teeth, how i have you been coping? it has been horrendous- _ have you been coping? it has been horrendous. i— have you been coping? it has been horrendous. i have _ have you been coping? it has been horrendous. i have a _ have you been coping? it has been horrendous. i have a denture - have you been coping? it has been| horrendous. i have a denture which is broken — horrendous. i have a denture which is broken. , .,, horrendous. i have a denture which is broken. , ., horrendous. i have a denture which is broken. , . , is broken. some people have been ullin: is broken. some people have been putting their _ is broken. some people have been pulling their own _ is broken. some people have been pulling their own teeth _ is broken. some people have been pulling their own teeth out? -

is broken. some people have been pulling their own teeth out? i - is broken. some people have been| pulling their own teeth out? i have, i have pulled _ pulling their own teeth out? i have, i have pulled back _ pulling their own teeth out? i have, i have pulled back tooth _ pulling their own teeth out? i have, i have pulled back tooth and - pulling their own teeth out? i have, i have pulled back tooth and one i i have pulled back tooth and one near— i have pulled back tooth and one near the — i have pulled back tooth and one near the front and i have to order online _ near the front and i have to order online, dental material that i have to make _ online, dental material that i have to make myself, make that replacement tooth. i also have a back— replacement tooth. i also have a back tooth — replacement tooth. i also have a back tooth now, i am in chronic pain with it _ back tooth now, i am in chronic pain with it and _ back tooth now, i am in chronic pain with it and it— back tooth now, i am in chronic pain with it and it looks like i'm going to have — with it and it looks like i'm going to have to— with it and it looks like i'm going to have to pull out that to myself. wow _ to have to pull out that to myself. wow keir — to have to pull out that to myself. wow. keir starmer, you have been clear on the need for reform for the whole nhs but dental issues massive. nine out of ten nhs dental practices across the uk not accepting new aduu across the uk not accepting new adult patients for treatment. eight in ten not taking on children. lots of other data i could give you now but the main data is what we just heard from sally. j but the main data is what we 'ust heard from sallyi but the main data is what we 'ust heard from sally. i am so sorry to heard from sally. i am so sorry to hear about _ heard from sally. i am so sorry to hear about the _ heard from sally. i am so sorry to hear about the situation - heard from sally. i am so sorry to hear about the situation you - heard from sally. i am so sorry to hear about the situation you are l heard from sally. i am so sorry to i hear about the situation you are in. and what— hear about the situation you are in. and what you have had to resort to. even _ and what you have had to resort to. even hearing you say it, i have heard — even hearing you say it, i have heard other stories like this that it's horrendous. we have to overhaul

the nhs, _ it's horrendous. we have to overhaul the nhs, it— it's horrendous. we have to overhaul the nhs, it is as simple as that. i 'ust the nhs, it is as simple as that. just feel it the nhs, it is as simple as that. i just feel it is back to the poor law, like a dickensian society right now. , ,, _ law, like a dickensian society right now. , ,, , ., now. yes, the nhs, i say it is on its knees- _ now. yes, the nhs, i say it is on its knees- my — now. yes, the nhs, i say it is on its knees. my wife _ now. yes, the nhs, i say it is on its knees. my wife who - now. yes, the nhs, i say it is on its knees. my wife who says - now. yes, the nhs, i say it is on its knees. my wife who says it i now. yes, the nhs, i say it is on its knees. my wife who says it is| now. yes, the nhs, i say it is on i its knees. my wife who says it is on its knees. my wife who says it is on its -- _ its knees. my wife who says it is on its -- it— its knees. my wife who says it is on its -- it is— its knees. my wife who says it is on its -- it is on— its knees. my wife who says it is on its —— it is on its face. my mum was a nurse. _ its —— it is on its face. my mum was a nurse. my— its —— it is on its face. my mum was a nurse, my sisterwas its —— it is on its face. my mum was a nurse, my sister was a nurse, its —— it is on its face. my mum was a nurse, my sisterwas a nurse, my wife _ a nurse, my sisterwas a nurse, my wife works— a nurse, my sisterwas a nurse, my wife works for— a nurse, my sisterwas a nurse, my wife works for the nhs, her mum was a doctor~ _ wife works for the nhs, her mum was a doctor. nhs runs through our blood — a doctor. nhs runs through our blood we _ a doctor. nhs runs through our blood. we have got to get the nhs back on— blood. we have got to get the nhs back on its— blood. we have got to get the nhs back on its feet. ifi blood. we have got to get the nhs back on its feet.— back on its feet. if i may talking about dentists, _ back on its feet. if i may talking about dentists, i _ back on its feet. if i may talking about dentists, i appreciate - back on its feet. if i may talking | about dentists, i appreciate what you are saying. i have to be a harsh disciplinarian in the time we have, what about dentists specifically? i know you want to make the point about nhs reform but what about the point specifically, that is what sally wants to know and so many people, dentistry, what are you going to do? it people, dentistry, what are you going to do?— people, dentistry, what are you going to do? people, dentistry, what are you anointodo? , ., , ., going to do? it needs to be part of chance going to do? it needs to be part of change and _ going to do? it needs to be part of change and reform _ going to do? it needs to be part of change and reform we _ going to do? it needs to be part of change and reform we have - going to do? it needs to be part of change and reform we have for - going to do? it needs to be part of| change and reform we have for the nhs was _ change and reform we have for the nhs was that we have to get it back on its _ nhs was that we have to get it back on its feet— nhs was that we have to get it back on its feet and fit for the future, which _ on its feet and fit for the future, which means going down the route of

prevention _ which means going down the route of prevention of technology, of having community—based health and mental health _ community—based health and mental health. this is one of the things i set out _ health. this is one of the things i set out is — health. this is one of the things i set out is if— health. this is one of the things i set out is if we are privileged enough to come into government, to serve _ enough to come into government, to serve the _ enough to come into government, to serve the country, then we will have missions— serve the country, then we will have missions or— serve the country, then we will have missions or purpose, and i have set out for— missions or purpose, and i have set out for an— missions or purpose, and i have set out for an incoming labour government, only five so we can concentrate on them. one of them is focused _ concentrate on them. one of them is focused on _ concentrate on them. one of them is focused on the nhs, which is to rebuild — focused on the nhs, which is to rebuild the nhs and make it fit for the future — rebuild the nhs and make it fit for the future in dentistry will have to be part— the future in dentistry will have to be part of— the future in dentistry will have to be part of that. the future in dentistry will have to be part of that-— the future in dentistry will have to be part of that. how will you make it more worthwhile _ be part of that. how will you make it more worthwhile and _ be part of that. how will you make it more worthwhile and cost - it more worthwhile and cost effective and attractive for dentists to take on new nhs patients? i dentists to take on new nhs atients? ~ dentists to take on new nhs patients?— dentists to take on new nhs atients? ~ ., ., ., ~ dentists to take on new nhs atients? ~' ., ., ., ~ ., patients? i think we need to look at the contract. _ patients? i think we need to look at the contract, we _ patients? i think we need to look at the contract, we need _ patients? i think we need to look at the contract, we need to _ patients? i think we need to look at the contract, we need to look- patients? i think we need to look at the contract, we need to look at - patients? i think we need to look at| the contract, we need to look at the framework— the contract, we need to look at the framework for dentistry but it needs to be _ framework for dentistry but it needs to be within the context of the change — to be within the context of the change that we need within the nhs as a whole. i don'tjust mean as a whole. idon'tjust mean top-down— as a whole. i don'tjust mean top—down bureaucratic change but change _ top—down bureaucratic change but change that makes the nhs fit for the next — change that makes the nhs fit for the next... we are so proud of the nhs after— the next... we are so proud of the nhs after 75— the next... we are so proud of the nhs after 75 years but it is not fit for the _ nhs after 75 years but it is not fit for the next 75 years and it will be a mission — for the next 75 years and it will be a mission of— for the next 75 years and it will be a mission of an incoming government to make _

a mission of an incoming government to make it— a mission of an incoming government to make it fit. sally, i hope if we have _ to make it fit. sally, i hope if we have a _ to make it fit. sally, i hope if we have a labour government, you and i or someone — have a labour government, you and i or someone in your position and i can have — or someone in your position and i can have a — or someone in your position and i can have a discussion on a few years' — can have a discussion on a few years' time _ can have a discussion on a few years' time when we have seen real improvement in the nhs.— years' time when we have seen real improvement in the nhs. thank you, sall , so improvement in the nhs. thank you, sally. so much- _ improvement in the nhs. thank you, sally, so much. it— improvement in the nhs. thank you, sally, so much. it is— improvement in the nhs. thank you, sally, so much. it is really— sally, so much. it is really important you got in touch. no doubt the specifics of your dentistry policy will be forthcoming. first to michael and thenjohn. michael, are you there? michael has gone. we have john. michael will be with us soon. john, what would you like to ask? i just wanted to ask keir starmer about— just wanted to ask keir starmer about the — just wanted to ask keir starmer about the benefit cap... what just wanted to ask keir starmer about the benefit cap... what do you mean? i about the benefit cap... what do you mean? liust — about the benefit cap... what do you mean? i just think _ about the benefit cap... what do you mean? i just think labour _ about the benefit cap... what do you mean? ijust think labour in - mean? i 'ust think labour in scam— mean? ijust think labour in scotland are _ mean? ijust think labour in scotland are not _ mean? ijust think labour in scotland are not entirely - mean? ijust think labour in i scotland are not entirely being honest — scotland are not entirely being honest with people. it was just a couple _ honest with people. it was just a couple of— honest with people. it was just a couple of weeks ago, we were hearing there was— couple of weeks ago, we were hearing there was some kind of significant influence — there was some kind of significant influence from labour in the uk but

i don't _ influence from labour in the uk but i don't entirely believe that. so what i don't entirely believe that. what do i don't entirely believe that. 5r what do you think should happen with the child benefit cap? i what do you think should happen with the child benefit cap?— the child benefit cap? i think it should be _ the child benefit cap? i think it should be scrapped _ the child benefit cap? i think it| should be scrapped completely, the child benefit cap? i think it i should be scrapped completely, i really— should be scrapped completely, i really do — should be scrapped completely, i really do. i think it's an awful policy— really do. i think it's an awful policy that will send a lot of people _ policy that will send a lot of people into poverty up here. early intervention is absolutely crucial, education — intervention is absolutely crucial, education and a stable life for them — education and a stable life for them. how can they starve children knowing _ them. how can they starve children knowing -- — them. how can they starve children knowing —— growing up knowing it might— knowing —— growing up knowing it might affect their life later? keir starmer said _ might affect their life later? keir starmer said he _ might affect their life later? iiez " starmer said he would might affect their life later? i;e: " starmer said he would not change in policy on the two child benefit cap, telljohn why you wouldn't. we can't do that because _ telljohn why you wouldn't. we can't do that because i _ telljohn why you wouldn't. we can't do that because i can't _ telljohn why you wouldn't. we can't do that because i can't make - do that because i can't make uncosted funding, spending commitments. that doesn't mean i am blind to the impact of these measures in welfare have and we will have, of course we will have a child poverty strategy in government, as

we did last time we were in power and we will drive down levels of child poverty, as we did in the last 13 years we are in power but we cannot make unfounded spending commitments. we know why we cannot. liz truss did it last year, unfunded commitments, in her case to tax cuts. it crashed the economy and people are still paying the price. only ten minutes ago, we were talking about the mortgages and the increase in mortgages. that is the sort of price people are still paying for unfunded commitments. so we cannot do that but it doesn't mean i am indifferent to the points you made. it doesn't mean we won't have a strategy in government to deal with child poverty. but i cannot make unfunded commitments of any sort as we go into the election. that is the sort of tough decisions we have to make because of the damage done to our economy over the last 13 years. damage done to our economy over the last 13 years-— damage done to our economy over the last 13 years-- i— damage done to our economy over the last 13 years.- ijust _ damage done to our economy over the last 13 years. john? ijust think

last 13 years. john? i 'ust think to last 13 years. john? i 'ust think rory policy * last 13 years. john? i 'ust think rory policy and _ last 13 years. john? i just think tory policy and labour - last 13 years. john? i just think tory policy and labour don't i last 13 years. john? ijust think tory policy and labour don't seem to mix well— tory policy and labour don't seem to mix well in— tory policy and labour don't seem to mix well in scotland.— tory policy and labour don't seem to mix well in scotland.- things | mix well in scotland. well... things i need to focus _ mix well in scotland. well... things i need to focus on. _ mix well in scotland. well... things i need to focus on. tell— mix well in scotland. well... things i need to focus on. tell me - mix well in scotland. well... things i need to focus on. tell me about i i need to focus on. tell me about the child poverty _ i need to focus on. tell me about the child poverty issue. - i need to focus on. tell me about the child poverty issue. there - i need to focus on. tell me about| the child poverty issue. there are campaigners who say that not changing the policy will continue to drive a lot of children, a lot of families into poverty. is that what you are focusing on here, john? yes. i think people — you are focusing on here, john? yes. i think people need _ you are focusing on here, john? yes. i think people need to _ you are focusing on here, john? yes. i think people need to come up and speak— i think people need to come up and speak to _ i think people need to come up and speak to people in the communities and actually have a look. everyone is absolutely struggling. scrapping the child _ is absolutely struggling. scrapping the child benefit scheme is one of the child benefit scheme is one of the things— the child benefit scheme is one of the things we were told would happen with labour so i don't understand why all— with labour so i don't understand why all of— with labour so i don't understand why all of a — with labour so i don't understand why all of a sudden this new policy has come — why all of a sudden this new policy has come in — why all of a sudden this new policy has come in and now you want to keep it. i has come in and now you want to keep it ithink— has come in and now you want to keep it. i think labour is becoming more blue than— it. i think labour is becoming more blue than red these days. let�*s it. i think labour is becoming more blue than red these days.— blue than red these days. let's tie this one up- _ blue than red these days. let's tie this one up- it— blue than red these days. let's tie this one up. it is _ blue than red these days. let's tie this one up. it is a _ blue than red these days. let's tie this one up. it is a great _ blue than red these days. let's tie this one up. it is a great point. i this one up. it is a great point. let's tie this one up, what will your poverty strategy be? well,

obviously we — your poverty strategy be? well, obviously we will _ your poverty strategy be? well, obviously we will set _ your poverty strategy be? well, obviously we will set out - obviously we will set out government. the most important thing is to grow the economy. we government. the most important thing is to grow the economy.— is to grow the economy. we have had no significant... _ is to grow the economy. we have had no significant... that _ is to grow the economy. we have had no significant... that takes _ is to grow the economy. we have had no significant... that takes a - no significant... that takes a while, doesn't it? no significant. .. that takes a while, doesn't it?— no significant... that takes a while, doesn't it? �* ., . while, doesn't it? bear with me. we have no significant _ while, doesn't it? bear with me. we have no significant growth _ while, doesn't it? bear with me. we have no significant growth in - while, doesn't it? bear with me. we have no significant growth in the - have no significant growth in the economy for 13 years. that is the single cause of the problems we have had, exacerbated by the mini—budget of last year. if you don't grow your economy then you don't have the yield for your public services. if we are growing the public economy, to take this example, at the same rate as that's the last labour government, we would have tens of billions of pounds to spend on our... ' ii' :: billions of pounds to spend on our... ' ::':: ., y billions of pounds to spend on our... ::':: ., _., our... 97-2010. the economy started rurowin in our... 97-2010. the economy started growing in 93 — our... 97-2010. the economy started growing in 93 have _ our... 97-2010. the economy started growing in 93 have a _ our... 97-2010. the economy started growing in 93 have a 94 _ our... 97-2010. the economy started growing in 93 have a 94 and - our... 97-2010. the economy started growing in 93 have a 94 and gordon i growing in 93 have a 94 and gordon brown and tony blair have a golden legacy. you know that is the case. it is a very different situation now. i it is a very different situation now. ~' it is a very different situation now. " , . ., , it is a very different situation now. ~ , . ., , ., it is a very different situation now. ~ , , ., ., it is a very different situation now. , ., ., ., now. i think because we have now had 13 ears of now. i think because we have now had 13 years of this — now. i think because we have now had 13 years of this government _ now. i think because we have now had 13 years of this government and - now. i think because we have now had 13 years of this government and we i 13 years of this government and we have 13 years of the last labour government, what we can now do is put the record side by side. if you look at the record on growth in the

last labour government, we grew the economy at about 2.5% in those 13 years. this government hasn't done that. if we had done what the last labour government had done, we would have had tens of billions of pounds to spend on our public services we don't have. the to spend on our public services we don't have-— don't have. the last labour government _ don't have. the last labour government said _ don't have. the last labour government said there - don't have. the last labour government said there wasj don't have. the last labour. government said there was no don't have. the last labour— government said there was no money left at the end of it. you inherited a pretty good economic policy in 1997. so these are different situations. i 1997. so these are different situations.— situations. i don't think it is unfair to — situations. i don't think it is unfair to compare _ situations. i don't think it is unfair to compare the - situations. i don't think it is unfair to compare the last i situations. i don't think it is - unfair to compare the last labour government with what we have just seen. i would government with what we have just seen. iwould be government with what we have just seen. i would be really surprised, a good one to test here is if anyone listening now, today, right now, asking themselves the question, do i feel better off now than i did 13 years ago? i don't think many people listening to this would say yes, that they are better off, that their personal finances are better, that they are better off, that their personalfinances are better, that the health service is better, that education is better, is anything better after 13 years of this government? i struggle to find anybody who can say, yes, there is a good answer to that question. goad

good answer to that question. good answers to questions, _ good answer to that question. good answers to questions, that is what we are looking for. beverley and weymouth, hello.— we are looking for. beverley and weymouth, hello. good morning. good morninu. weymouth, hello. good morning. good morning- over— weymouth, hello. good morning. good morning- over to _ weymouth, hello. good morning. good morning. over to you, _ weymouth, hello. good morning. good morning. over to you, i— weymouth, hello. good morning. good morning. over to you, i am _ morning. over to you, i am platforming _ morning. over to you, i am platforming you. _ morning. over to you, i am platforming you. i - morning. over to you, i am platforming you. i would i morning. over to you, i am. platforming you. i would like morning. over to you, i am - platforming you. i would like to know your _ platforming you. i would like to know your views _ platforming you. i would like to know your views on _ platforming you. i would like to know your views on the - platforming you. i would like to know your views on the barge i platforming you. i would like to | know your views on the barge to house _ know your views on the barge to house male asylum seekers, privately owned, _ house male asylum seekers, privately owned, who _ house male asylum seekers, privately owned, who are making millions of pounds _ owned, who are making millions of pounds out — owned, who are making millions of pounds out there, without any consideration for the local community. portland is one of the ten most — community. portland is one of the ten most deprived areas in britain and we _ ten most deprived areas in britain and we have to wait up to six weeks to see _ and we have to wait up to six weeks to see a _ and we have to wait up to six weeks to see a doctor and years for a dentist — to see a doctor and years for a dentist. portland and weymouth economy— dentist. portland and weymouth economy depends on tourism and hospitality and we are afraid that 500 men— hospitality and we are afraid that 500 men roaming our streets will change _ 500 men roaming our streets will change the dynamics and stop holiday— makers wanting to come here. we are _ holiday— makers wanting to come here. we are only— holiday— makers wanting to come here. we are only getting four pcs ohs to help with _ we are only getting four pcs ohs to help with the policing. if you become _ help with the policing. if you become prime minister next year, would _ become prime minister next year, would you — become prime minister next year, would you stop this madness, as

sadiq _ would you stop this madness, as sadiq khan did by not having the barge _ sadiq khan did by not having the barge in— sadiq khan did by not having the barge in london? lots sadiq khan did by not having the barge in london?— barge in london? lots of stuff in there and it _ barge in london? lots of stuff in there and it is _ barge in london? lots of stuff in there and it is all _ barge in london? lots of stuff in there and it is all pertinent. - barge in london? lots of stuff in there and it is all pertinent. keir| there and it is all pertinent. keir starmer, is beverley right to be worried about these 500 men roaming the streets? i worried about these 500 men roaming the streets? _, , , , ., the streets? i completely understand our the streets? i completely understand your concerns. _ the streets? i completely understand your concerns, beverley. _ the streets? i completely understand your concerns, beverley. my - the streets? i completely understand your concerns, beverley. my answerl your concerns, beverley. my answer to your question is this a sticking plaster politics. what i mean is the barge won't fix the problem. the problem is the government has lost control of the asylum system. i don't know if you know this, but it's an incredible statistic. of all the people that arrived by boat across the channel, and we want to stop that, but of all the people who have arrived in the last year, the government has only processed 1%. so they have stacks and stacks of people waiting in the system that they have processed. wherever you how's them, that doesn't solve the problem. the problem is you are not getting on sorting out these claims. you still have to find social housing, the more quickly you process them, the more housing you need to find. process them, the more housing you need to find-— need to find. nobody can defend a s stem need to find. nobody can defend a system where _ need to find. nobody can defend a system where 1% _ need to find. nobody can defend a system where 1% of _

need to find. nobody can defend a system where 1% of those - need to find. nobody can defend a system where 1% of those arrived | need to find. nobody can defend a l system where 1% of those arrived by system where1% of those arrived by small boats have been processed. it was 4% when rishi sunak took over, so it's going in the wrong direction. what we have to do as well, beverley, because we have to deal with this. nobody wants to be crossing in small boats across the channel four so we have to smash the criminal gangs are running this, upstream, smash those gangs because they are making a fortune putting people in this situation. process the claims, smash those gangs. i think many people are concerned by the amount of money it is costing for the accommodation for people whose claims have not been processed. whose claims have not been processed-— whose claims have not been rocessed. ~ ., ., , ., ~ processed. what do you think, tell me about the _ processed. what do you think, tell me about the 500 _ processed. what do you think, tell me about the 500 men _ processed. what do you think, tell me about the 500 men you - processed. what do you think, tell me about the 500 men you refer. processed. what do you think, tell. me about the 500 men you refer to. are you speaking to me? yes. me about the 500 men you refer to. are you speaking to me? yes, sorry, i am. we are you speaking to me? yes, sorry, lam- we don't _ are you speaking to me? yes, sorry, i am. we don't know _ are you speaking to me? yes, sorry, i am. we don't know who _ are you speaking to me? yes, sorry, i am. we don't know who they - are you speaking to me? yes, sorry, i am. we don't know who they are. l are you speaking to me? yes, sorry, i i am. we don't know who they are. we know is when — i am. we don't know who they are. we know is when they _ i am. we don't know who they are. we know is when they come _ i am. we don't know who they are. we know is when they come across - i am. we don't know who they are. we know is when they come across on - i am. we don't know who they are. we know is when they come across on the | know is when they come across on the boats, _ know is when they come across on the boats. they— know is when they come across on the boats, they get rid of their id, so we don't — boats, they get rid of their id, so we don't know who they are. it is not that— we don't know who they are. it is not that we — we don't know who they are. it is not that we are against asylum seekers, — not that we are against asylum seekers, we are not. genuine asylum seekers, _ seekers, we are not. genuine asylum seekers, i_ seekers, we are not. genuine asylum seekers, i believe we do need to help them — seekers, i believe we do need to help them. but these people, we

don't _ help them. but these people, we don't even — help them. but these people, we don't even know who they are and that is— don't even know who they are and that is what— don't even know who they are and that is what is worrying because we don't _ that is what is worrying because we don't know— that is what is worrying because we don't know if we are going to be safe _ don't know if we are going to be safe we — don't know if we are going to be safe, we don't know. for people who live here _ safe, we don't know. for people who live here and — safe, we don't know. for people who live here and love this place, you know. _ live here and love this place, you know. we — live here and love this place, you know, we are really were very worried — know, we are really were very worried about it and we are worried about— worried about it and we are worried about how— worried about it and we are worried about how it— worried about it and we are worried about how it is going to affect the local economy. without the holiday— makers, local economy. without the holiday—makers, we have nothing down here _ holiday-makers, we have nothing down here. ;, ~ holiday-makers, we have nothing down here. . ~ i. holiday-makers, we have nothing down here. ; ~' ,, , holiday-makers, we have nothing down here. . ~ i. , . holiday-makers, we have nothing down here. ;, ~ , ; ;, holiday-makers, we have nothing down here. . ~ , . ., ., here. thank you very much for that. lots of text — here. thank you very much for that. lots of text questions _ here. thank you very much for that. lots of text questions coming - here. thank you very much for that. lots of text questions coming in. i lots of text questions coming in. and we will come to our last caller in a second, who will be nick in cornwall. stand by. lots of questions coming in on gender. you may or may not be pleased to know. what is a woman if you don't say she is an adult female i shall not vote labour as i have all my life, that from merrill in leicester. another one, has his party decided on the definition of what a woman is question that has the labour party policy on single sex spaces and trans rights change, what is it?

could you ask if he ever thought he would be stamped over the question, what is a woman? why do we ask this question and not what is a man? that is from michael, as well. i guess... i suppose the question is, why did you announce a gender recognition change in the guardian? trying to sneak it out? you will struggle with it, that question. aha, sneak it out? you will struggle with it, that question.— it, that question. a woman is an aduu it, that question. a woman is an adult female. _ it, that question. a woman is an adult female. secondly, - it, that question. a woman is an adult female. secondly, in - it, that question. a woman is an i adult female. secondly, in relation to the process, after we finished, we had by—elections last week and a fantastic win in selby, overturning a 20,000 tory majority was that we have never done that in the history of the labour party. we finished that and went to nottingham for a three—day national policy forum, which doesn't sound very interesting that where the labour party grind through its policy. at the end of that, we have agreed policy that came out at about 3.00 on sunday, and a whole range of issues, including on gender recognition. it gave us the chance to reflect on

what happened in scotland recently in relation to gender recognition and to be clear that we won... what happened? — and to be clear that we won... what happened? we _ and to be clear that we won... what happened? we want _ and to be clear that we won... what happened? we want to _ and to be clear that we won... what happened? we want to modernise i and to be clear that we won... what l happened? we want to modernise the le . islation. happened? we want to modernise the legislation. scottish _ happened? we want to modernise the legislation. scottish labour— legislation. scottish labour disagrees. _ legislation. scottish labour disagrees, that _ legislation. scottish labour disagrees, that they - legislation. scottish labour disagrees, that they are i legislation. scottish labour- disagrees, that they are continuing to back the medical eyes on? we don't to back the medical eyes on? - don't agree. we don't believe self identification is the way forward. we reflect on what happened in scotland and therefore... as you know, there was a law passed. i thought you were reflecting on the specific prisoner? that thought you were reflecting on the specific prisoner?— thought you were reflecting on the specific prisoner? that is an aspect of what was _ specific prisoner? that is an aspect of what was going _ specific prisoner? that is an aspect of what was going on _ specific prisoner? that is an aspect of what was going on in _ specific prisoner? that is an aspect of what was going on in scotland i specific prisoner? that is an aspect. of what was going on in scotland but there was a law, a bill going through in relation to this. but it became very _ through in relation to this. but it became very emblematic - through in relation to this. but it became very emblematic and i through in relation to this. but it became very emblematic and separate from the legal process but carry on. we have set out we want to modernise the process, get rid of some of the indignities in the process. keeping a medical process and we have always said and continue to say and sunday when we completed our policy forum

allowed us to be clear, that there should be safe places, safe spaces for women, should be safe places, safe spaces forwomen, particularly should be safe places, safe spaces for women, particularly in relation to violence against women and girls. when i was director of prosecution i spent a lot of time dealing with cases of violence against women and girls and feel strongly about safe spaces for women. m171? girls and feel strongly about safe spaces for women.— girls and feel strongly about safe spaces for women. why are trans women, spaces for women. why are trans women. are _ spaces for women. why are trans women. are you _ spaces for women. why are trans women, are you saying _ spaces for women. why are trans women, are you saying they - spaces for women. why are trans women, are you saying they are. women, are you saying they are disproportionately likely to be violent in these situations? i don't understand what you are saying? no, ithink no, i think it is more that women who have been biological women have been subject to violence against women and girls want a safe space where they can feel safe from... ear; where they can feel safe from... say from? a safe — where they can feel safe from... say from? a safe space _ where they can feel safe from... say from? a safe space where _ where they can feel safe from... say from? a safe space where they - where they can feel safe from... say from? a safe space where they can i from? a safe space where they can feel that they _ from? a safe space where they can feel that they are _ from? a safe space where they can feel that they are properly - feel that they are properly supported and this comes from... who;r supported and this comes from... why would they not be properly supported and protected? i don't understand why why would that not be the case? while i think the scottish prisoner

case probably answers that question in terms of... case probably answers that question in terms of- - -— in terms of... there are a lot of --eole in terms of... there are a lot of people dawn — in terms of... there are a lot of people dawn you _ in terms of... there are a lot of people dawn you think - in terms of... there are a lot of people dawn you think there i in terms of... there are a lot of| people dawn you think there are in terms of... there are a lot of i people dawn you think there are a lot of examples of that? i people dawn you think there are a lot of examples of that?— lot of examples of that? i don't think there _ lot of examples of that? i don't think there is _ lot of examples of that? i don't think there is a _ lot of examples of that? i don't think there is a lot _ lot of examples of that? i don't think there is a lot of _ lot of examples of that? i don't think there is a lot of examplesj lot of examples of that? i don't i think there is a lot of examples of that but i do think the principle of say spaces is very important for women. it say spaces is very important for women. , ., ., women. it is on the environment, the -alannin , women. it is on the environment, the planning. fire — women. it is on the environment, the planning. fire away- _ hello, yeah, what i would like to ask you — hello, yeah, what i would like to ask you is, — hello, yeah, what i would like to ask you is, after listening to some of the _ ask you is, after listening to some of the comments i have heard recently _ of the comments i have heard recently, do you think it is ok to roll back— recently, do you think it is ok to rollback on _ recently, do you think it is ok to rollback on your promised policies to win _ rollback on your promised policies to win the — rollback on your promised policies to win the next election? and if so, do you _ to win the next election? and if so, do you believe the sacrifices... as the policies — do you believe the sacrifices... as the policies are rolled back, we can

see, the policies are rolled back, we can see are _ the policies are rolled back, we can see, are worse than 10 downing street? — see, are worse than 10 downing street? first, idon't see, are worse than 10 downing street? first, i don't think we should — street? first, i don't think we should grow back on any of our policiesm _ should grow back on any of our policies- - -_ should grow back on any of our olicies. .. ., ., ~ , ,, policies... for taking the steps we need in relation _ policies... for taking the steps we need in relation to _ policies... for taking the steps we need in relation to the _ policies... for taking the steps we need in relation to the green - need in relation to the green transition, if you like, we have not done that. one of the things i have been setting out in clear terms is that we should have clean power by 2030, that is really hard, really hard to achieve, but it is achievable. and that will be one of the major missions, so the date on which we sign cheques to do this is not the relevant question, the question is whether we got that commitment, and let me tell you why it is so important. after the uxbridge by—election this has become a talking point, the government... government is all over the place and this one, one minute they are saying they want to the target in relation, they want to the target in relation, the next minute... just hear me out. let me be absolutely clear why don't think we should back off on this.

firstly, because it is about cheaper bills. if you look at the situation at the moment, let's take energy bills, we got... i’m at the moment, let's take energy bills, we got- - -_ bills, we got... i'm a marine scientist. — bills, we got... i'm a marine scientist. l— bills, we got... i'm a marine scientist, i do _ bills, we got... i'm a marine scientist, i do know- bills, we got... i'm a marine scientist, i do know it, - bills, we got... i'm a marine scientist, i do know it, i- bills, we got... i'm a marine| scientist, i do know it, i have bills, we got... i'm a marine - scientist, i do know it, i have sent you several— scientist, i do know it, i have sent you several e—mails over the last couple _ you several e—mails over the last couple of — you several e—mails over the last couple of years. but you several e-mails over the last couple of years-— you several e-mails over the last couple of years. but i am committed to this because _ couple of years. but i am committed to this because it _ couple of years. but i am committed to this because it will _ couple of years. but i am committed to this because it will mean - couple of years. but i am committed to this because it will mean lower i to this because it will mean lower bills for people, particularly energy, lower bills. it also gives a... . , , a... eventually, but... the way investments _ a... eventually, but... the way investments are _ a... eventually, but... the way investments are going - a... eventually, but... the way investments are going at - a... eventually, but... the way investments are going at the l a... eventually, but... the way - investments are going at the moment, this is— investments are going at the moment, this is not— investments are going at the moment, this is not going to happen. the investments are going at the moment, this is not going to happen.— this is not going to happen. the two other critical — this is not going to happen. the two other critical reasons _ this is not going to happen. the two other critical reasons why _ this is not going to happen. the two other critical reasons why i - this is not going to happen. the two other critical reasons why i am - other critical reasons why i am absolutely committed we continue on this journey to clean power by 2030 is secondly the number ofjobs of the future that are bound up with this. america is already like a magnet for investment for future jobs, the eu is responding to that, i want the uk to be in the race for the futurejobs and i want the uk to be in the race for the future jobs and i want energy independence.— the future jobs and i want energy independence. the future jobs and i want energy indeendence. ~ �* , , ., independence. we've been fishing for that for the last _

independence. we've been fishing for that for the last few _ independence. we've been fishing for that for the last few decades. - independence. we've been fishing for that for the last few decades. yeah, i that for the last few decades. yeah, but that's why _ that for the last few decades. yeah, but that's why i _ that for the last few decades. yeah, but that's why i think _ that for the last few decades. yeah, but that's why i think it _ that for the last few decades. yeah, but that's why i think it is _ that for the last few decades. yeah, but that's why i think it is a - but that's why i think it is a mistake for the government to back off in relation to these commitments, so we're not going to back. ~ �* ., _, , ., back. we're hearing comments all over the place- — back. we're hearing comments all over the place. are _ back. we're hearing comments all over the place. are you _ back. we're hearing comments all over the place. are you going - back. we're hearing comments all over the place. are you going to l over the place. are you going to keep— over the place. are you going to keep the — over the place. are you going to keep the green policies? no answer to the _ keep the green policies? no answer to the questions.— to the questions. euros jeremy corb n's to the questions. euros jeremy corbyn's three, _ to the questions. euros jeremy corbyn's three, without - to the questions. euros jeremy corbyn's three, without bold i to the questions. euros jeremy - corbyn's three, without bold action the fires in southern europe will become the new norm, so we'll crop fryers, droughts, and the media largely ignores those who sneer at radical change, letting our planet die, it's time to fight back. is jeremy wright? it is your former friend jeremy wright? alike look, i'm not here to debate dominic i am not here to — i'm not here to debate dominic i am not here to debate _ i'm not here to debate dominic i an not here to debate jeremy corbyn. my not here to debatejeremy corbyn. my radical changes clean power by 2030. that is very difficult to achieve, most people say a sharp intake of breath when they hear me say that, talk they say that is tough but doable. you've got to be tough. it

is doable. but _ doable. you've got to be tough. it is doable. but it _ doable. you've got to be tough. it is doable. but it is _ doable. you've got to be tough. it is doable. but it is not... - doable. you've got to be tough. it is doable. but it is not... with - doable. you've got to be tough. it is doable. but it is not... with the riaht is doable. but it is not... with the right person _ is doable. but it is not... with the right person fight. _ is doable. but it is not... with the right person fight. it _ is doable. but it is not... with the right person fight. it is _ is doable. but it is not... with the right person fight. it is not - is doable. but it is not... with the right person fight. it is not doablej right person fight. it is not doable unless you _ right person fight. it is not doable unless you have _ right person fight. it is not doable unless you have a _ right person fight. it is not doable unless you have a labour- right person fight. it is not doable - unless you have a labour government with its sleeves rolled up that is absolutely treating this as mission—critical. because otherwise, we will end up, at the moment we are subsidising energy bills, we can go on like that forever, we've got to have a longer term solution and that is clean power by 2030. cheaper bills, next generation ofjobs and energy independence are worth fighting for. energy independence are worth fighting for-— energy independence are worth fiaahtin for. . ~ , . fighting for. thank you very much, indeed. fighting for. thank you very much, indeed- you _ fighting for. thank you very much, indeed. you did _ fighting for. thank you very much, indeed. you did use _ fighting for. thank you very much, indeed. you did use the _ fighting for. thank you very much, indeed. you did use the phrase i fighting for. thank you very much, i indeed. you did use the phrase tree hugger is, i know you didn't see you hit a tree hugger is put a lot of young people who are trying to stop the destruction of the ancient for in our country are fighting against deforestation elsewhere and care deeply about the environment may have taken exception to you using that phrase. tree hugging is a good thing, isn't it? go hug a tree when

you leave your. i,et thing, isn't it? go hug a tree when you leave your-— thing, isn't it? go hug a tree when you leave your. let me 'ust explain, i was describing, _ you leave your. let me 'ust explain, i was describing, i _ you leave your. let me just explain, i was describing, i went _ you leave your. let me just explain, i was describing, i went to - i was describing, i went to scunthorpe... i was describing, i went to scunthorpe. . ._ i was describing, i went to scunthorpe. .. i was describing, i went to scunthore... . . , scunthorpe. .. planting a tree is robabl scunthorpe. .. planting a tree is probably a _ scunthorpe. .. planting a tree is probably a better _ scunthorpe. .. planting a tree is probably a better idea. - scunthorpe. .. planting a tree is l probably a better idea. boy-mack tree planters- _ probably a better idea. boy-mack tree planters. that _ probably a better idea. boy-mack tree planters. that would - probably a better idea. boy-mack tree planters. that would be - probably a better idea. boy-mack tree planters. that would be a i tree planters. that would be a better expression. _ tree planters. that would be a better expression. lets - tree planters. that would be a better expression. lets you i tree planters. that would be a i better expression. lets you gear finish. i want _ better expression. lets you gear finish. i want to _ better expression. lets you gear finish. i want to scunthorpe - better expression. lets you gear finish. i want to scunthorpe met| better expression. lets you gear - finish. i want to scunthorpe met the steelworks workforce there. all their order books are for green steel, they know businesses in germany and sweden are getting ahead of them so they are desperate to go green. and i wasjust saying of them so they are desperate to go green. and i was just saying to the shadow cabinet, these guys, you can imagine the workforce at scunthorpe, said they are not tree hugger is, they are not going themselves to the rules, they have not got placards with a evangelist. i have four daughters who are all tree huggers and embroidery. we have the goal,

will it be a reshuffle? how many times will jealous try that will it be a reshuffle? how many times willjealous try that one in? way back we will not announce anything on—air to do with reshuffle is now or any other team. you are welcome to come and take questions here any time. please don't make people shout at me as a result of running over three or four people shout at me as a result of running over three orfour minutes. what are your thoughts on what you heard from sir keir starmer? get in touch. now for the news with deena campbell. the labour leader keir starmer has told this programme that he doesn't think that anyone should be refused banking services because of their political views. it comes after the chief executive of natwest, dame alison rose — stepped down from her role after admitting — she was the source of an inaccurate story about the closure of nigel farage's

account at coutts bank. junior doctors in england are to stage a four—day walkout from friday august 11 to tuesday august 15. the british medical association has asked for a 35% pay rise to restore pay to 2008 levels after a series of below—inflation pay rises.police in england are to reduce the number of mental health callouts dealt with by officers if there is no risk to life or a possible crime being committed. the new approach is being introduced over the next two years. charities say that already stretched mental health services, will have to respond instead.a new study suggests that doing the plank or wall squats could be a good way of reducing blood pressure. researchers say guidance which currently focuses on running and cycling should be updated. huge game for the republic of ireland in the women's world cup this afternoon as they face the olympic champions canada looking to keep alive their chances of progressing from the group stage. it's not must win, but defeat will see them eliminated.

we've commentary on 5 sports extra from 1255. both spain and japan are safely through to the kncokout stages of the tournament after wins against zambia and costa rica respectively. tottenham hotspur owner joe lewis has been charged with "orchestrating a brazen insider trader scheme", according to us attorney damian williams. a lawyer for mr lewis said charging him was an "egregious error injudgement", and that the the 86—year—old had come to the us voluntarily to defend himself against the "ill—conceived charges". with exactly one year until the games, paris 2024 organisers say they want to build "a new model" for staging the olympics. their goals include a 50% reduction of carbon emissions compared to the 2012 and 2016 games. and two financial records have been broken in the us. jaylen brown has signed the richest deal in nba history, agreeing a $304 million contract to remain at boston celtics. while justin herbert's new five—year extension with the la chargers worth $262 million will make him the nfl's highest—paid quarterback by annual

salary. so many questions, so many tweets and so — so many questions, so many tweets and so many— so many questions, so many tweets and so many different issues as we speak— and so many different issues as we speak towards the next election.

everything is going to ramp up but it's clear we are seeing the areas and there are many of them, so thank you very much for getting in touch. what did you make of it? also, let me reach out to you, what were the questions that you think were not answered it should be answered? what other questions would you ask? and we will be balancing this with other political parties. worry not about that. let's speak to our political correspondent. when these guys come on, they have lines they want to push out there, but our listeners had great questions. what did you make of big miss theyr had great questions. what did you make of big mis— had great questions. what did you make of big miss they always do on five live and — make of big miss they always do on five live and sir— make of big miss they always do on five live and sir keir— make of big miss they always do on five live and sir keir starmer, - make of big miss they always do on five live and sir keir starmer, a - five live and sir keir starmer, a lot to go through there, a lot of questions speaking to the challenges he will face way to become prime minister which of course he wants to do in the polls at the moment

suggest he is a very good chance of doing that. if you take the very first question that gay men on mortgages, someone struggling to make ends meet and circular servicing a point of difference that they would do between the cover government —— current government and a labour government to provide better solutions people but not a great deal of difference between what the government is saying what the labour party are saying in that. both of the two main parties pretty reluctant to add specific targeted support on that, for fear of stoking inflation even further, which is the other major problem. if you don't own a home that's something i think we'll hear more and more of in the coming months, and also reference to the by—election, last week, yes, labour did well in selby, took that see overturning a massive tory majority but they are expected to win in uxbridge and clearly the big issue there was the expansion of the

low emission zone, and a bit of a perhaps, not quite a ruckus with a slight difference of opinion between the labour mayor of london and sir keir starmer on that. i(ept the labour mayor of london and sir keir starmer on that.— the labour mayor of london and sir keir starmer on that. kept saying he was asked to — keir starmer on that. kept saying he was asked to reflect, _ keir starmer on that. kept saying he was asked to reflect, a _ keir starmer on that. kept saying he was asked to reflect, a lot _ keir starmer on that. kept saying he was asked to reflect, a lot of - was asked to reflect, a lot of reflection going on. the r word came up reflection going on. the r word came up three orfour times, didn't it miss we had a week to reflect now, haven't we? == miss we had a week to reflect now, haven't we?— haven't we? -- right and i don't exect haven't we? -- right and i don't expect to _ haven't we? -- right and i don't expect to be — haven't we? -- right and i don't expect to be much _ haven't we? -- right and i don't expect to be much movement i haven't we? -- right and i don't| expect to be much movement on haven't we? -- right and i don't - expect to be much movement on that certainly this week. there is for example a judicial review and going, several of the conservative run councils in london have brought that against the expansion, but still due to come into effect at the end of next month. what the mayor was possibly stressing is that there are already measures in place to make it already measures in place to make it a little bit easierfor already measures in place to make it a little bit easier for people. there is a scrapping scheme in place thatis there is a scrapping scheme in place that is going be expanded, but money for that, so for on a relatively small meant that money has been taken up by people, stressing this only affects around one in ten cars, so it seems like sadiq khan is not in the midstjust grab the policy

entirely, even if his superiors think it is a problem politically, butjustice, some of the other policies opened and country lubricants are brought in, the idea of low traffic members, for example. seen as anti—motorist. on the other side of the argument, they are to try and reduce air pollution and also carbon emissions and that brought it on the other side of the argument, they are to try and reduce air pollution and also carbon emissions and that brought us onto the very last question you had there which was about two both of the main two swing going on is a bit soft on climate change, and the week of the climate change, and the week of the climate change, and the week of the climate change, keeping, moving towards a carbon zero feature. why make the gender thing always comes up make the gender thing always comes up and... it is frustrating and vexing for people and i'm sure you and many people listening will have people they love and they could take different positions. fin people they love and they could take different positions.— different positions. on this issue. it is a tricky _ different positions. on this issue. it is a tricky one _ different positions. on this issue.

it is a tricky one for— different positions. on this issue. it is a tricky one for politicians, i it is a tricky one for politicians, always. it is a tricky one for politicians, alwa s. , , ., it is a tricky one for politicians, alwa s. ,, ., ., , always. the quintessential thorny issue, always. the quintessential thorny issue. highly _ always. the quintessential thorny issue, highly divisive, _ always. the quintessential thorny issue, highly divisive, and - always. the quintessential thorny issue, highly divisive, and labourj issue, highly divisive, and labour has been trading quite a tight rope on this even in recent days, just yesterday announcing a slight tweak to the way they would go about things, introducing a medical element are reintroducing a medical element are reintroducing a medical element in their policy for gender recognition. the scottish labour party disagrees with that approach, so again cure starmer having to manage those differences of opinion within his own party on the issue, and that fundamental question of what is a woman keeps being asked of politicians and not all of you can possibly please everyone with that answer, given how divisive that issue issue is, but once again i'm sure circular sorrow will expect to keep answering questions on that subject. keep answering questions on that sub'ect. . ~ keep answering questions on that sub'ect. ;, ~' , ;, , keep answering questions on that sub'ect. ., ~ , ., , . subject. thank you very much indeed. ma and subject. thank you very much indeed. mary and john — subject. thank you very much indeed. mary and john and — subject. thank you very much indeed. mary and john and steve, _ subject. thank you very much indeed. mary and john and steve, warty - subject. thank you very much indeed. mary and john and steve, warty focus| mary and john and steve, warty focus group. morning, all. mayday, how are

you doing? these things are always pretty exhausting comedy coming in the questions coming in the question is common in latex coming and you have to get as you can in to a space two what did you make a space two what did you make of actress—mack good morning. i'm actually not in ipswich, i many village, the first district council that has gone green this year in the by—elections, a lot of excitement around but what i wanted to say was well done for your questions and the reflection drove me nuts, i have to say. i thought you managed to interview brilliantly, but the number of cliches... some, you lose some. have you been reflecting on reflections? i'm glad i'm not the only person that thought that they have a year until an election, they have to sort out their reflections, but i think at the end he said i've got to roll my sleeves up or we've got to roll

our sleeves up and i thought, yeah, i can do that. i'm no further forward knowing how i will vote in a general election. and i didn't learn very much at all today apart from waffle, and that probably is one of the reasons i phoned him because i was really interested to hear what sir keir had to say and i don't think i've learnt very much at all, was sitting on the fence, and that is pretty much what i wanted to say. no mind was changed? end your beautiful part of suffolk? ila. no mind was changed? end your beautiful part of suffolk? no. not at all. no mind _ beautiful part of suffolk? no. not at all. no mind was _ beautiful part of suffolk? no. not at all. no mind was made - beautiful part of suffolk? no. not at all. no mind was made up. - beautiful part of suffolk? no. not at all. no mind was made up. i. beautiful part of suffolk? no. not i at all. no mind was made up. i have not made my mind up you at all. no mind was made up. i have not made my mind up— at all. no mind was made up. i have not made my mind up you have time to reflect. not made my mind up you have time to reflect- thank — not made my mind up you have time to reflect. thank you _ not made my mind up you have time to reflect. thank you very _ not made my mind up you have time to reflect. thank you very much. - not made my mind up you have time to reflect. thank you very much. johnny i reflect. thank you very much. johnny networks, what do you think is max good morning, iwould networks, what do you think is max good morning, i would like to say that he has made that many u—turns... i5

that he has made that many u-turns- - -— that he has made that many u-turns. .. that he has made that many u-turns... , ., ., ., , ., u-turns. .. is a wonder he has not not u-turns. .. is a wonder he has not got stuck — u-turns. .. is a wonder he has not got stuck in _ u-turns. .. is a wonder he has not got stuck in the _ u-turns. .. is a wonder he has not got stuck in the event. _ u-turns. .. is a wonder he has not| got stuck in the event. particularly on education. i want to bring to attention— on education. i want to bring to attention that he is talking about the environment, what they're going to do. _ the environment, what they're going to do. let's _ the environment, what they're going to do, let's be honest about this, we can— to do, let's be honest about this, we can be — to do, let's be honest about this, we can be as fantastic as we want to be, we can be as fantastic as we want to be. but _ we can be as fantastic as we want to be. but at _ we can be as fantastic as we want to be, but at the in this country everybody's house, everybody is a hypocrite — everybody's house, everybody is a hypocrite in this country, everything they buy from calls to electrical— everything they buy from calls to electrical goods, cars, everything, the energy— electrical goods, cars, everything, the energy that makes electricity from _ the energy that makes electricity from calls, so let's take all our clothes. — from calls, so let's take all our clothes, the whole of southeast asia all the _ clothes, the whole of southeast asia all the way _ clothes, the whole of southeast asia all the way round to the philippines use call— all the way round to the philippines use call to — all the way round to the philippines use call to make calls, are toys come _ use call to make calls, are toys come from _ use call to make calls, are toys come from china, all made from coal.~ _ come from china, all made from coal.~ just — come from china, all made from coal,. just recently i think at the dally— coal,. just recently i think at the daily telegraph dated something like 25 altered the new pits have been opened. — 25 altered the new pits have been opened, never mind a new power station. _ opened, never mind a new power station. the — opened, never mind a new power station. the whole of europe i would imagine _ station. the whole of europe i would imagine makes cars is that i would not be _ imagine makes cars is that i would not be surprised at nearly every car is actually — not be surprised at nearly every car is actually produced... | not be surprised at nearly every car is actually produced. . ._ is actually produced... i hear what ou're is actually produced... i hear what

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and believe you me, it has been happening, just in the last week 1000 _ happening, just in the last week 1000 jobs were created in north lincolnshire... 1000 jobs were created in north lincolnshire. . ._ lincolnshire. .. that was some sentence. _ lincolnshire. .. that was some sentence. a — lincolnshire. .. that was some sentence, a good _ lincolnshire. .. that was some sentence, a good one. - lincolnshire. .. that was some sentence, a good one. have i lincolnshire. .. that was some i sentence, a good one. have you lincolnshire. .. that was some - sentence, a good one. have you ever heard that show just a minute? sentence, a good one. have you ever heard that showjust a minute? yes. heard that show 'ust a minute? yes. you would heard that showjust a minute? yes. you would blush _ heard that showjust a minute? yes. you would blush it. _ heard that showjust a minute? yes. you would blush it. that _ heard that showjust a minute? yes. you would blush it. that was brilliant. stephen salisbury, what he wants a?— he wants a? 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to it to make people feel better. i to it to make people feel better. window — to it to make people feel better. window dressing. _ to it to make people feel better. window dressing. what - to it to make people feel better. i window dressing. what happened to it to make people feel better. - window dressing. what happened with the house, steve? i window dressing. what happened with the house, steve?— the house, steve? i came on the programme _ the house, steve? i came on the programme a — the house, steve? i came on the programme a few— the house, steve? i came on the programme a few weeks - the house, steve? i came on the programme a few weeks ago - the house, steve? i came on the programme a few weeks ago say| the house, steve? i came on the i programme a few weeks ago say my mortgage _ programme a few weeks ago say my mortgage had — programme a few weeks ago say my mortgage had gone _ programme a few weeks ago say my mortgage had gone up _ programme a few weeks ago say my mortgage had gone up from - programme a few weeks ago say my mortgage had gone up from 1200 i programme a few weeks ago say my mortgage had gone up from 1200 toj mortgage had gone up from 1200 to 4500 and _ mortgage had gone up from 1200 to 4500 and i— mortgage had gone up from 1200 to 4500 and l was— mortgage had gone up from 1200 to 4500 and i was on— mortgage had gone up from 1200 to 4500 and i was on the _ mortgage had gone up from 1200 to 4500 and i was on the show- mortgage had gone up from 1200 to 4500 and i was on the show for- mortgage had gone up from 1200 to 4500 and i was on the show for a i 4500 and i was on the show for a couple _ 4500 and i was on the show for a couple of— 4500 and i was on the show for a couple of minutes, _ 4500 and i was on the show for a couple of minutes, but _ 4500 and i was on the show for a couple of minutes, but they - 4500 and i was on the show for a couple of minutes, but they put i couple of minutes, but they put out repossession — couple of minutes, but they put out repossession order _ couple of minutes, but they put out repossession order in _ couple of minutes, but they put out repossession order in on _ couple of minutes, but they put out repossession order in on the - couple of minutes, but they put out repossession order in on the 23rd i couple of minutes, but they put out| repossession order in on the 23rd of june in— repossession order in on the 23rd of june in the — repossession order in on the 23rd of june in the new— repossession order in on the 23rd of june in the new charger— repossession order in on the 23rd of june in the new charger came - repossession order in on the 23rd of june in the new charger came out i repossession order in on the 23rd of| june in the new charger came out on the 2tith— june in the new charger came out on the 26th of— june in the new charger came out on the 26th ofjune — june in the new charger came out on the 26th ofjune saying _ june in the new charger came out on the 26th ofjune saying your - june in the new charger came out on the 26th ofjune saying your home i the 26th ofjune saying your home will be _ the 26th ofjune saying your home will be repossessed _ the 26th ofjune saying your home will be repossessed —— _ the 26th ofjune saying your home will be repossessed —— new- the 26th ofjune saying your home i will be repossessed —— new charter. iwent— will be repossessed —— new charter. i went to _ will be repossessed —— new charter. i went to court — will be repossessed —— new charter. i went to court on _ will be repossessed —— new charter. i went to court on monday— will be repossessed —— new charter. i went to court on monday and - will be repossessed —— new charter. i went to court on monday and i- will be repossessed —— new charter. i went to court on monday and i was repossessed. — i went to court on monday and i was repossessed. i— i went to court on monday and i was repossessed. i am _ i went to court on monday and i was repossessed. i am homeless- i went to court on monday and i was repossessed. i am homeless in- i went to court on monday and i was repossessed. i am homeless in 50 i repossessed. i am homeless in 50 days. _ repossessed. i am homeless in 50 days. hia— repossessed. i am homeless in 50 da s. g ,, repossessed. i am homeless in 50 days-_ and - repossessed. i am homeless in 50 days-_ and i - repossessed. i am homeless in 50 days._ and i have i repossessed. i am homeless in 50 i days._ and i have been days. my goodness. and i have been in the property _ days. my goodness. and i have been in the property for— days. my goodness. and i have been in the property for 24 _ days. my goodness. and i have been in the property for 24 years. - days. my goodness. and i have been in the property for 24 years. i - in the property for 24 years. mean, was it face—to—face, in the property for 24 years'. mean, was it face—to—face, dig in the property for 24 years'- mean, was it face—to—face, dig up in the property for 24 years]- mean, was it face—to—face, dig up a conversation with them? ready in any way similarto? ila. conversation with them? ready in any way similar to?— way similar to? no, they 'ust said we want fl way similar to? no, they 'ust said we want our money _ way similar to? no, theyjust said

we want our money back. - way similar to? no, theyjust said we want our money back. that's i way similar to? no, theyjust said i we want our money back. that's all they basically— we want our money back. that's all they basically said, _ we want our money back. that's all they basically said, you _ we want our money back. that's all they basically said, you are - we want our money back. that's all they basically said, you are in - they basically said, you are in arrears. — they basically said, you are in arrears. a, , , , arrears. magennis. on the issue when he was asked — arrears. magennis. on the issue when he was asked about _ arrears. magennis. on the issue when he was asked about the _ arrears. magennis. on the issue when he was asked about the i _ arrears. magennis. on the issue when he was asked about the i hope - he was asked about the i hope everything works out for you. on the issue when he said what are you going to do for people who are being crippled by their mortgages, where you convinced by his answer? know, the problem — you convinced by his answer? know, the problem is. _ you convinced by his answer? know, the problem is, governments - you convinced by his answer? know, the problem is, governments come l you convinced by his answer? know, i the problem is, governments come and id the problem is, governments come and go and _ the problem is, governments come and go and unfortunately _ the problem is, governments come and go and unfortunately for _ the problem is, governments come and go and unfortunately for too _ the problem is, governments come and go and unfortunately for too long - go and unfortunately for too long two day — go and unfortunately for too long two day labour _ go and unfortunately for too long two day labour party— go and unfortunately for too long two day labour party crash - go and unfortunately for too long two day labour party crash the i two day labour party crash the economy. _ two day labour party crash the economy. the _ two day labour party crash the economy, the tories _ two day labour party crash the economy, the tories have - two day labour party crash the - economy, the tories have crashed the economy. _ economy, the tories have crashed the economy. the — economy, the tories have crashed the economy, the banks _ economy, the tories have crashed the economy, the banks are _ economy, the tories have crashed the economy, the banks are not— economy, the tories have crashed the economy, the banks are not helping i economy, the banks are not helping people _ economy, the banks are not helping people and — economy, the banks are not helping people and it — economy, the banks are not helping people and it should _ economy, the banks are not helping people and it should be _ economy, the banks are not helping people and it should be their- economy, the banks are not helping people and it should be theirjob- people and it should be theirjob to. between _ people and it should be theirjob to. between the _ people and it should be theirjob to. between the government - people and it should be theirjobl to. between the government and people and it should be theirjob- to. between the government and the mortgage _ to. between the government and the mortgage companies _ to. between the government and the mortgage companies come _ to. between the government and the mortgage companies come up - to. between the government and the mortgage companies come up with. to. between the government and the mortgage companies come up with a| mortgage companies come up with a piece _ mortgage companies come up with a piece of— mortgage companies come up with a piece of paper— mortgage companies come up with a piece of paper saying _ mortgage companies come up with a piece of paper saying we _ mortgage companies come up with a piece of paper saying we wanted - mortgage companies come up with a piece of paper saying we wanted this and want _ piece of paper saying we wanted this and want to— piece of paper saying we wanted this and want to do— piece of paper saying we wanted this and want to do that _ piece of paper saying we wanted this and want to do that but _ piece of paper saying we wanted this and want to do that but it _ piece of paper saying we wanted this and want to do that but it doesn't . and want to do that but it doesn't make _ and want to do that but it doesn't make a _ and want to do that but it doesn't make a difference. _ and want to do that but it doesn't make a difference. it _ and want to do that but it doesn't make a difference. it is _ and want to do that but it doesn't make a difference. it isjust- and want to do that but it doesn't make a difference. it isjust a - make a difference. it isjust a piece — make a difference. it isjust a piece of— make a difference. it isjust a piece of paper— make a difference. it isjust a piece of paper not— make a difference. it isjust a piece of paper not worth -

make a difference. it isjust a i piece of paper not worth having. keep— piece of paper not worth having. keep in— piece of paper not worth having. keep in touch _ piece of paper not worth having. keep in touch and _ piece of paper not worth having. keep in touch and tell— piece of paper not worth having. keep in touch and tell us - piece of paper not worth having. keep in touch and tell us how i piece of paper not worth having. keep in touch and tell us how iti piece of paper not worth having. i keep in touch and tell us how it is all going. ourthoughts are keep in touch and tell us how it is all going. our thoughts are with you in what is a horrendous time for yourself and your family. thank you very much. i want to hear rory to we will hear you again, i'm sure of that. it is happening to lots people. rory in battersea. element -. he was 'ust a bit wishy-washy, wasn't -. he wasjust a bit wishy-washy, wasn't he? _ -. he wasjust a bit wishy-washy, wasn't he? i _ -. he wasjust a bit wishy-washy, wasn't he? i was _ -. he wasjust a bit wishy-washy, wasn't he? i was critically - -. he wasjust a bit wishy-washy, i wasn't he? i was critically dismayed by one of the last point is that he answered, that he stands by his comment was thing he hates tree huggers, and... he comment was thing he hates tree huggers. and---— comment was thing he hates tree huggers, and... he did not say that but he used — huggers, and... he did not say that but he used the _ huggers, and... he did not say that but he used the term _ huggers, and... he did not say that but he used the term and _ huggers, and... he did not say that but he used the term and one - huggers, and... he did not say thatj but he used the term and one could only use it in a disparaging way, i would contain, any kind of sad that he said and tried to explain why. what did you make of that? the

connotations _ what did you make of that? tue: connotations were definitely negative. it was not used any positive way. i'm confused, politicians... should want to when the voters over from the electric with policies, ideas, characteristics, that's how boris johnson one, too many passes, charming man, but sir keir starmer i just don't get that with them and i feel like he is trying to hark to when the socially conservative and politically conservative voters over whilst taking for granted the socially liberal and fiscally liberal that make up the core base. how do you win? tony blair will tell you you went from the centre and when you are in there you go a little bit, like gordon brown, little bit, like gordon brown, little stealth or knowledge or take in the right direction but may be the left direction, that was gordon

brown's mission.— brown's mission. that is all well and aood brown's mission. that is all well and good but — brown's mission. that is all well and good but how— brown's mission. that is all well and good but how does - brown's mission. that is all well and good but how does that - brown's mission. that is all well and good but how does that sit l brown's mission. that is all well| and good but how does that sit in with scotland, for example? labour took scotland for granted and it's not because labour didn't go more socially conservative are more fiscally conservative and then the scots switched snp, the snp is a progressive party. they have lost a vote in scotland because there is a socially liberal progressive party in power in scotland, and as much as people down here in england, i live in london, i don't even live in scotland, i've never worked or lived there, but i really have the pulse and ifeel the there, but i really have the pulse and i feel the scottish electorate want progressive socially liberal parties and that's why labour and not going to get any headway in scotland, and also why they're going to lose votes and their urban metropolitan cities.- to lose votes and their urban metropolitan cities. another issue, whether there _ metropolitan cities. another issue, whether there has _ metropolitan cities. another issue, whether there has been _ metropolitan cities. another issue, whether there has been a - metropolitan cities. another issue, i whether there has been a divergence of views between the scottish government and the westminster government, the whole gender issue and it has again this morning, we

thought maybe not this morning, but the text were there. david in enniskillen, that is a particular part of the conversation and also the current vernacular of the current debate you want to address, good morning. current debate you want to address, good morning-— current debate you want to address, | good morning._ tricky good morning. good morning. tricky one for politicians, _ good morning. good morning. tricky one for politicians, a _ good morning. good morning. tricky one for politicians, a complicated i one for politicians, a complicated issue for people. is one for politicians, a complicated issue for people.— issue for people. is extremely complicated — issue for people. is extremely complicated and _ issue for people. is extremely complicated and i _ issue for people. is extremely complicated and i should - issue for people. is extremely l complicated and i should prefix issue for people. is extremely - complicated and i should prefix my comments with, i've been a member of the labour party for nearly 40 years and i think sir keir starmer this morning absolutely struggled to answer that gender recognition question. in answer that gender recognition cuestion. . ., , answer that gender recognition cuestion. . �* , m question. in what way? because... he mentioned the — question. in what way? because... he mentioned the policy _ question. in what way? because... he mentioned the policy forum _ question. in what way? because... he mentioned the policy forum that - question. in what way? because... he mentioned the policy forum that they | mentioned the policy forum that they arrived that on sunday in nottingham, and as a member of the party for nearly 40 years, i am no wiser now than i was before sunday, and itjust demonstrates, i think, the complexity of the issue of

gender recognition and the way all politicians are trying to grapple with this. but the wider point is that it with this. but the wider point is thatitis with this. but the wider point is that it is not dealing with the core issues the lecture actually won address. forthe issues the lecture actually won address. for the vast majority of people voting in the forthcoming general election, it is not high on their list of priorities, let's be honest about it. but their list of priorities, let's be honest about it.— their list of priorities, let's be honest about it. but part of the culture war _ honest about it. but part of the culture war and _ honest about it. but part of the culture war and they're - honest about it. but part of the culture war and they're all- culture war and they're all sensitive the which saved the following in the newspapers report on and it is all part of the whole propaganda morass that they get into tours the election and they have two keep their hands clean otherwise to get it from all sides. it is tricky for politicians. the medicalisation thing, isn't it? scottish labour are continuing to back the medical eyes in the process, here starmer takes a different position. should be to be

talking about it at all? it is important. _ talking about it at all? it is important, especially - talking about it at all? it is important, especially if. talking about it at all? it 3 important, especially if you're any minority it affects. of course you should be addressing it. politicians have a habit of grabbing these things and beating themselves up about it and beating each other over the head rather thanjust dealing with the main issues that are affecting the vast majority of people, including the cost of living crisis. 50 people, including the cost of living crisis. , ~' people, including the cost of living crisis. , ,. ., people, including the cost of living crisis. , ~' ;, ., crisis. so it is kind of getting out of proportion _ crisis. so it is kind of getting out of proportion for— crisis. so it is kind of getting out of proportion for a _ crisis. so it is kind of getting out of proportion for a lot _ crisis. so it is kind of getting out of proportion for a lot of - crisis. so it is kind of getting out of proportion for a lot of people. corner in east london, the last call, guinness made has been exhausting. corner, you have a minute to give us your verdict. i’m minute to give us your verdict. i'm a labour minute to give us your verdict. in a labour supporter, so i'm bound to be sympathetic, but be as objective as i can, that did all right. i thought except on the question of the reflection business, which you did catch him out on, he was quite convincing. he in a difficult spot, he's got determination, he's got

voters... he is any sport. i am sure they will come up with a solution, it may not please everyone, and it won't impress the green supporters, like that lady from suffolk, but there it is. like that lady from suffolk, but there it is— like that lady from suffolk, but there it is. , ., , there it is. verities, there it was and there _ there it is. verities, there it was and there it _ there it is. verities, there it was and there it will _ there it is. verities, there it was and there it will be _ there it is. verities, there it was and there it will be again - there it is. verities, there it was i and there it will be again tomorrow at nine o'clock for two hours. the nation's phone in, which is all about you. have a good day. live from london. this is bbc news. wildfires rage in at least nine mediterranean countries, amid another day of intense heat.

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