he instigated a when that failed, he instigated a crowd to go to congress and force mike pence's hand. it is nuts. a ridiculous theory. but it seems like one donald trump ran with. so now we will see if that can form part of the basis of the prosecution here. that this bride considers to be to defraud the american people culminated in the violence of january the 6th. we have let doug heye go, he had to move along, we want to bring stephanie again, and we have been talking to our correspondent nomia iqbal about republican reactions. and we are again as expected seeing republicans to say, this is an example of the weaponisation of the department ofjustice. does it surprise you that in this case as well we are seeing so many republicans line up behind the former president?— republicans line up behind the former president? know, does not surrise former president? know, does not surprise me _ former president? know, does not surprise me at _ former president? know, does not surprise me at all. _

former president? know, does not surprise me at all. as _ former president? know, does not surprise me at all. as long - former president? know, does not surprise me at all. as long as - former president? know, does not surprise me at all. as long as don| surprise me at all. as long as don from _ surprise me at all. as long as don from stays— surprise me at all. as long as don from stays strong in the polls, those — from stays strong in the polls, those who _ from stays strong in the polls, those who seek power will ride within— those who seek power will ride within -- — those who seek power will ride within —— as long as donald trump. 0r certainly— within —— as long as donald trump. 0r certainly not go against them. it is sad _ 0r certainly not go against them. it is sad the — 0r certainly not go against them. it is sad. the thought that this is an albatross — is sad. the thought that this is an albatross around the neck of the republican party, no, they are gleefully— republican party, no, they are gleefully or at least with obligation coaching this luggage of donald _ obligation coaching this luggage of donald trump until the bag becomes too heavy~ _ donald trump until the bag becomes too heavy. and the polling showed if it is hot _ too heavy. and the polling showed if it is hot too — too heavy. and the polling showed if it is not too heavy a, they are sticking — it is not too heavy a, they are sticking with donald trump, they are willing _ sticking with donald trump, they are willing to _ sticking with donald trump, they are willing to tell the american people who dont— willing to tell the american people who don't believe your lying eyes, regardless — who don't believe your lying eyes, regardless of what we all witnessed, that donald trump is being, this is a witchhunt — that donald trump is being, this is a witchhunt and donald trump is being _ a witchhunt and donald trump is being unfairly prosecuted and persecuted. they're going to with discipline — persecuted. they're going to with discipline continue to repeat these lines that— discipline continue to repeat these lines that are coming out of the republican party, until it no longer

serves them. republican party, until it no longer serves them-— republican party, until it no longer serves them. nomia, coming to you now, we certainly _ serves them. nomia, coming to you now, we certainly have _ serves them. nomia, coming to you now, we certainly have not - serves them. nomia, coming to you now, we certainly have not seen - serves them. nomia, coming to youl now, we certainly have not seen the white house comment on this specific case, and how are democrats in general, including the white house, handling this specific case of the january 6 riot and efforts to subvert the election? president joe biden has been _ subvert the election? president joe biden has been consistently, - subvert the election? president joe biden has been consistently, no - biden has been consistently, no comment, about all the indictments. i do not think it is going to change with january 6 because he does not want to be seen to be commenting on an investigation being run by the department ofjustice, but in his first year being president he was very vocal about it, and he did not mince his words. he said that donald trump created the chaos that we saw on the capital, he blamed him for it, he said that he put power over his principles, but... also for the

democrats generally, they've been fairly quiet, i've noticed, for the first two indictments as well, but you've got to remember with january 6, it is personalfor a lot of democrats as well as republicans, because they were in the chamber that day. americans watched the violence unfold, they saw their representatives and politicians, lawmakers in congress, and many of that have spoken since about how much affected them and many of them also feel aggrieved that donald trump in their view is not held accountable, there were two impeachment trials, one of them, sorry, one was about january 6, impeachment trials, one of them, sorry, one was aboutjanuary 6, and he was acquitted for that, there were publicans who backed all the democrats do not acquit him, but in many democrats eyes, donald trump got off. and so it will be interesting to see... i have not been across other action coming from the democratic party, but as i say i think there probably will be some

reaction from joe biden, i will be very surprised if there's any comment... yes kept the same policy on this... has comment... yes kept the same policy onthis... r comment... yes kept the same policy on this... a ,, comment... yes kept the same policy onthis... a ., ., on this... as you say, nomia, unlikely _ on this... as you say, nomia, unlikely to — on this... as you say, nomia, unlikely to hear _ on this... as you say, nomia, unlikely to hear some - on this... as you say, nomia, unlikely to hear some that. on this... as you say, nomia, l unlikely to hear some that were on this... as you say, nomia, - unlikely to hear some that were the white house. a grand jury has indicted the former president donald trump on four counts and i want to bring joe marino back in the legal aspects of this, because we heard jack smith just a short while ago talking, giving a statement about this indictment, saying his office will seek a speedy trial, so our evidence can be tested in court. is there any indication this could be a speedy trial? it there any indication this could be a speedy trial?— there any indication this could be a seed trial? , , ., ., , ., speedy trial? it depends on what you consider speedy. _ speedy trial? it depends on what you consider speedy, right? _ speedy trial? it depends on what you consider speedy, right? if _ speedy trial? it depends on what you consider speedy, right? if you - speedy trial? it depends on what you consider speedy, right? if you think. consider speedy, right? if you think speedy— consider speedy, right? if you think speedy means — consider speedy, right? if you think speedy means before _ consider speedy, right? if you think speedy means before november. consider speedy, right? if you think speedy means before november of| speedy means before november of 2024. _ speedy means before november of 2024. i_ speedy means before november of 2024. ithink— speedy means before november of 2024, i think you're _ speedy means before november of 2024, i think you're going - speedy means before november of 2024, i think you're going to - speedy means before november of 2024, i think you're going to be . 2024, i think you're going to be disappointed _ 2024, i think you're going to be disappointed i_ 2024, i think you're going to be disappointed. i don't— 2024, i think you're going to be disappointed. i don't think - 2024, i think you're going to be disappointed. i don't think thisl disappointed. i don't think this will disappointed. idon't think this will happen— disappointed. i don't think this will happen before _ disappointed. i don't think this will happen before the - disappointed. i don't think this| will happen before the election disappointed. i don't think this - will happen before the election next year. _ will happen before the election next year. but _ will happen before the election next year. but i _ will happen before the election next vear. but i will— will happen before the election next year, but i will touch— will happen before the election next year, but i will touch on— will happen before the election next year, but i will touch on something i year, but i will touch on something nomia said. — year, but i will touch on something nomia said, she _ year, but i will touch on something nomia said, she hit— year, but i will touch on something nomia said, she hit it _ year, but i will touch on something nomia said, she hit it spot- year, but i will touch on something nomia said, she hit it spot on in.

nomia said, she hit it spot on in terms _ nomia said, she hit it spot on in terms of— nomia said, she hit it spot on in terms of the _ nomia said, she hit it spot on in terms of the fact _ nomia said, she hit it spot on in terms of the fact that _ nomia said, she hit it spot on in terms of the fact that this - nomia said, she hit it spot on in terms of the fact that this was l terms of the fact that this was already— terms of the fact that this was already dressed _ terms of the fact that this was already dressed in _ terms of the fact that this was already dressed in donald - terms of the fact that this was - already dressed in donald trump's second _ already dressed in donald trump's second impeachment— already dressed in donald trump's second impeachment and - already dressed in donald trump's second impeachment and i- already dressed in donald trump's second impeachment and i have . already dressed in donald trump's| second impeachment and i have to think— second impeachment and i have to think that — second impeachment and i have to think that is — second impeachment and i have to think that is where _ second impeachment and i have to think that is where this _ second impeachment and i have to think that is where this really- think that is where this really should — think that is where this really should have _ think that is where this really should have been _ think that is where this really should have been handled. . think that is where this really should have been handled. ifj should have been handled. if republicans _ should have been handled. if republicans have _ should have been handled. if republicans have anything i should have been handled. ifj republicans have anything to should have been handled. if. republicans have anything to be ashamed — republicans have anything to be ashamed about, _ republicans have anything to be ashamed about, it _ republicans have anything to be ashamed about, it is _ republicans have anything to be ashamed about, it is the - republicans have anything to be ashamed about, it is the fact- republicans have anything to be i ashamed about, it is the fact that they gave — ashamed about, it is the fact that they gave him _ ashamed about, it is the fact that they gave him a _ ashamed about, it is the fact that they gave him a pass. _ ashamed about, it is the fact that they gave him a pass. this- ashamed about, it is the fact that they gave him a pass. this is- they gave him a pass. this is exactly the _ they gave him a pass. this is exactly the kind _ they gave him a pass. this is exactly the kind of— they gave him a pass. this is exactly the kind of behaviour they gave him a pass. this is- exactly the kind of behaviour that should _ exactly the kind of behaviour that should subject _ exactly the kind of behaviour that should subject one _ exactly the kind of behaviour that should subject one to _ exactly the kind of behaviour that . should subject one to impeachment and a _ should subject one to impeachment and a conviction _ should subject one to impeachment and a conviction and _ should subject one to impeachment and a conviction and had _ should subject one to impeachment and a conviction and had he - should subject one to impeachment and a conviction and had he been. and a conviction and had he been convicted. — and a conviction and had he been convicted. vou _ and a conviction and had he been convicted, you could _ and a conviction and had he been convicted, you could vote - and a conviction and had he been convicted, you could vote to - and a conviction and had he been convicted, you could vote to barl and a conviction and had he been. convicted, you could vote to bar him from _ convicted, you could vote to bar him from future — convicted, you could vote to bar him from future office. _ convicted, you could vote to bar him from future office. the _ convicted, you could vote to bar him from future office. the fact - convicted, you could vote to bar him from future office. the fact that - from future office. the fact that that did — from future office. the fact that that did not _ from future office. the fact that that did not happen— from future office. the fact that that did not happen and - from future office. the fact that that did not happen and now. from future office. the fact thatj that did not happen and now we from future office. the fact that - that did not happen and now we are trying _ that did not happen and now we are trying to— that did not happen and now we are trying to use — that did not happen and now we are trying to use the _ that did not happen and now we are trying to use the criminal— that did not happen and now we are trying to use the criminaljustice - trying to use the criminaljustice svstem — trying to use the criminaljustice system two _ trying to use the criminaljustice system two years _ trying to use the criminaljustice system two years later, - trying to use the criminaljustice system two years later, some i trying to use the criminaljustice - system two years later, some might say better— system two years later, some might say better late — system two years later, some might say better late than _ system two years later, some might say better late than never, - system two years later, some might say better late than never, but - system two years later, some might say better late than never, but the i say better late than never, but the fact is _ say better late than never, but the fact is this — say better late than never, but the fact is this really _ say better late than never, but the fact is this really should _ say better late than never, but the fact is this really should have - say better late than never, but the fact is this really should have been handled _ fact is this really should have been handled by— fact is this really should have been handled by congress _ fact is this really should have been handled by congress at _ fact is this really should have been handled by congress at the - handled by congress at the impeachment _ handled by congress at the impeachment level- handled by congress at the impeachment level of- handled by congress at the impeachment level of and i handled by congress at the l impeachment level of and it handled by congress at the i impeachment level of and it is disappointing _ impeachment level of and it is disappointing that _ impeachment level of and it is| disappointing that republicans dropped — disappointing that republicans dropped the _ disappointing that republicans dropped the ball— disappointing that republicans dropped the ball there. - disappointing that republicans dropped the ball there. what. disappointing that republicans dropped the ball there. what about the fact that _ dropped the ball there. what about the fact that the _ dropped the ball there. what about the fact that the federal _ the fact that the federal prosecutor, the special counseljack smith, has said this is about accountability of this office wants to seek accountability at the highest level, not just to seek accountability at the highest level, notjust among the rioters themselves but among those who actually lead this riot on the capital and also attempts to subvert

the election?— the election? sure. i get it, right? peole the election? sure. i get it, right? peeple feel— the election? sure. i get it, right? people feel because _ the election? sure. i get it, right? people feel because the _ the election? sure. i get it, right? - people feel because the impeachment did not— people feel because the impeachment did not go— people feel because the impeachment did not go through, _ people feel because the impeachment did not go through, there _ people feel because the impeachment did not go through, there has- people feel because the impeachment did not go through, there has to - people feel because the impeachment did not go through, there has to be i did not go through, there has to be some _ did not go through, there has to be some kind — did not go through, there has to be some kind of— did not go through, there has to be some kind of remedy— did not go through, there has to be some kind of remedy here, - did not go through, there has to be some kind of remedy here, that. some kind of remedy here, that donald — some kind of remedy here, that donald trump _ some kind of remedy here, that donald trump cannot _ some kind of remedy here, that donald trump cannot be - some kind of remedy here, that| donald trump cannot be allowed some kind of remedy here, that. donald trump cannot be allowed to -et donald trump cannot be allowed to get away _ donald trump cannot be allowed to get away because _ donald trump cannot be allowed to get away because there _ donald trump cannot be allowed to get away because there is - donald trump cannot be allowed to get away because there is no - donald trump cannot be allowed toj get away because there is no legal, perfect _ get away because there is no legal, perfect legal — get away because there is no legal, perfect legal theory— get away because there is no legal, perfect legal theory that _ get away because there is no legal, perfect legal theory that applies - get away because there is no legal, perfect legal theory that applies toi perfect legal theory that applies to his misconduct, _ perfect legal theory that applies to his misconduct, i— perfect legal theory that applies to his misconduct, i totally— perfect legal theory that applies to his misconduct, i totally get - perfect legal theory that applies to his misconduct, i totally get that, i his misconduct, i totally get that, and i_ his misconduct, i totally get that, and i do _ his misconduct, i totally get that, and i do think— his misconduct, i totally get that, and i do think his _ his misconduct, i totally get that, and i do think his conduct - his misconduct, i totally get that, and i do think his conduct was - and i do think his conduct was absolute — and i do think his conduct was absolute disgraceful. - and i do think his conduct was absolute disgraceful. i- and i do think his conduct was absolute disgraceful. ijust . and i do think his conduct was . absolute disgraceful. ijust think it will— absolute disgraceful. ijust think it will be — absolute disgraceful. ijust think it will be choosing _ absolute disgraceful. ijust think it will be choosing to _ absolute disgraceful. ijust think it will be choosing to see - absolute disgraceful. ijust think it will be choosing to see —— - it will be choosing to see —— interesting _ it will be choosing to see —— interesting to— it will be choosing to see —— interesting to see _ it will be choosing to see —— interesting to see how- it will be choosing to see —— - interesting to see how processors take this — interesting to see how processors take this laws _ interesting to see how processors take this laws not _ interesting to see how processors take this laws not meant - interesting to see how processors take this laws not meant for- interesting to see how processors take this laws not meant for this. take this laws not meant for this kind of— take this laws not meant for this kind of conduct, _ take this laws not meant for this kind of conduct, and _ take this laws not meant for this kind of conduct, and try- take this laws not meant for this kind of conduct, and try to - take this laws not meant for this kind of conduct, and try to apply it. kind of conduct, and try to apply it maybe — kind of conduct, and try to apply it. maybe they— kind of conduct, and try to apply it. maybe they will— kind of conduct, and try to apply it. maybe they will be _ kind of conduct, and try to applyj it. maybe they will be successful kind of conduct, and try to apply i it. maybe they will be successful in ibie they— it. maybe they will be successful in ibie they won't. _ it. maybe they will be successful in ibie they won't, but _ it. maybe they will be successful in ibie they won't, but i'm _ it. maybe they will be successful in ibie they won't, but i'm just - it. maybe they will be successful in ibie they won't, but i'm just saying| ibie they won't, but i'm just saying this will— ibie they won't, but i'm just saying this will not — ibie they won't, but i'm just saying this will not be _ ibie they won't, but i'm just saying this will not be as _ ibie they won't, but i'm just saying this will not be as straightforward i this will not be as straightforward as the _ this will not be as straightforward as the mar—a—lago _ this will not be as straightforward as the mar—a—lago classified - as the mar—a—lago classified documents _ as the mar—a—lago classified documents case, _ as the mar—a—lago classified documents case, which - as the mar—a—lago classified documents case, which is . as the mar—a—lago classified documents case, which is a i as the mar—a—lago classified - documents case, which is a pretty open _ documents case, which is a pretty open and — documents case, which is a pretty open and shut— documents case, which is a pretty open and shut case. _ documents case, which is a pretty open and shut case. this- documents case, which is a pretty open and shut case. this one - documents case, which is a pretty open and shut case. this one is l documents case, which is a pretty. open and shut case. this one is more complicated — open and shut case. this one is more complicated-— complicated. what does the political effect of that? _ complicated. what does the political effect of that? if — complicated. what does the political effect of that? if this _ complicated. what does the political effect of that? if this case _ complicated. what does the political effect of that? if this case is - effect of that? if this case is going to be pretty difficult for the special counsel cosmic office and we see the former president's ratings,

popularity, remaining high, what could that mean for democrats? democrats, when we get to the general— democrats, when we get to the general election i think we'll run into the — general election i think we'll run into the same scenario we had in the last time _ into the same scenario we had in the last time i_ into the same scenario we had in the last time. i think the republicans will have — last time. i think the republicans will have their percentage that you're — will have their percentage that you're seeing in the polls right now and i_ you're seeing in the polls right now and i think— you're seeing in the polls right now and i think the independence seeing the craziness and the chaos that is the craziness and the chaos that is the indictments, they will swing towards — the indictments, they will swing towards the democrats, but that does not come _ towards the democrats, but that does not come without cost. this is costing — not come without cost. this is costing us— not come without cost. this is costing us in the eyes of the global audience, — costing us in the eyes of the global audience, this is costing us very dearly, — audience, this is costing us very dearly, and _ audience, this is costing us very dearly, and i think the best case scenario— dearly, and i think the best case scenario for donald trump is the weight— scenario for donald trump is the weight of— scenario for donald trump is the weight of all of these indictments to at some point, when he has to continue — to at some point, when he has to continue to— to at some point, when he has to continue to go to court, when he has to come _ continue to go to court, when he has to come off— continue to go to court, when he has to come off of the campaign trail and out — to come off of the campaign trail and out of— to come off of the campaign trail and out of the debates, to deal with the legal— and out of the debates, to deal with the legal trouble, that he will be able to—

the legal trouble, that he will be able to say, to be a marcher, that is the _ able to say, to be a marcher, that is the best— able to say, to be a marcher, that is the best case that i can think, that he — is the best case that i can think, that he will pull out and try to be a kingmakerand that he will pull out and try to be a kingmaker and decide who should be the next _ a kingmaker and decide who should be the next up _ a kingmaker and decide who should be the next up republican candidate and say, i— the next up republican candidate and say, i am _ the next up republican candidate and say, lam pulling the next up republican candidate and say, i am pulling out for the good of the _ say, i am pulling out for the good of the american people, but in reality. — of the american people, but in reality, pulling up because he understands the weight of these legal— understands the weight of these legal troubles. understands the weight of these legaltroubles. just understands the weight of these legal troubles.— legal troubles. just to check on that one question _ legal troubles. just to check on that one question a _ legal troubles. just to check on that one question a lot - legal troubles. just to check on that one question a lot of - legal troubles. just to check on i that one question a lot of people ask, even if the former president is convicted, in any of these indictments, he still run for office and still be president again, right? he can post there is a provision in the 14th _ he can post there is a provision in the 14th and — he can post there is a provision in the 14th and admit _ he can post there is a provision in the 14th and admit that— he can post there is a provision in the 14th and admit that talks - he can post there is a provision ml the 14th and admit that talks about insurrection. — the 14th and admit that talks about insurrection, but _ the 14th and admit that talks about insurrection, but he _ the 14th and admit that talks about insurrection, but he is _ the 14th and admit that talks about insurrection, but he is not - the 14th and admit that talks about insurrection, but he is not charged| insurrection, but he is not charged with that — insurrection, but he is not charged with that all — insurrection, but he is not charged with that. all these _ insurrection, but he is not charged with that. all these other- insurrection, but he is not charged with that. all these other things i insurrection, but he is not charged| with that. all these other things he is charged — with that. all these other things he is charged with _ with that. all these other things he is charged with and _ with that. all these other things he is charged with and whether - with that. all these other things he is charged with and whether it is i is charged with and whether it is fraud _ is charged with and whether it is fraud or— is charged with and whether it is fraud or whether— is charged with and whether it is fraud or whether it's _ is charged with and whether it is fraud or whether it's a _ is charged with and whether it is fraud or whether it's a violationl is charged with and whether it is i fraud or whether it's a violation of the espionage _ fraud or whether it's a violation of the espionage act, _ fraud or whether it's a violation of the espionage act, the _ fraud or whether it's a violation of the espionage act, the classified i the espionage act, the classified documents — the espionage act, the classified documents case _ the espionage act, the classified documents case or— the espionage act, the classified documents case or anything - the espionage act, the classified. documents case or anything else, they will— documents case or anything else, they will not — documents case or anything else, they will not bar _ documents case or anything else, they will not bar him _ documents case or anything else, they will not bar him from - documents case or anything else, i they will not bar him from running, they will not bar him from running, they were — they will not bar him from running, they were not — they will not bar him from running, they were not bar— they will not bar him from running, they were not bar him _ they will not bar him from running, they were not bar him from - they will not bar him from running, i they were not bar him from winning, and they— they were not bar him from winning, and they would — they were not bar him from winning, and they would not _ they were not bar him from winning, and they would not bar— they were not bar him from winning, and they would not bar him - they were not bar him from winning, and they would not bar him from - and they would not bar him from serving _ and they would not bar him from serving the — and they would not bar him from serving the meso _ and they would not bar him from serving the meso is— and they would not bar him from serving the meso is a _ and they would not bar him from serving the meso is a bit- and they would not bar him from serving the meso is a bit of- and they would not bar him from serving the meso is a bit of a - serving the meso is a bit of a strange system _ serving the meso is a bit of a

strange system we _ serving the meso is a bit of a strange system we have - serving the meso is a bit of a| strange system we have here serving the meso is a bit of a - strange system we have here but that is the _ strange system we have here but that is the one _ strange system we have here but that is the one we — strange system we have here but that is the one we have got _ strange system we have here but that is the one we have got to _ strange system we have here but that is the one we have got to deal- strange system we have here but that is the one we have got to deal with. l is the one we have got to deal with. nomia, _ is the one we have got to deal with. nomia, coming— is the one we have got to deal with. nomia, coming to— is the one we have got to deal with. nomia, coming to you, _ is the one we have got to deal with. nomia, coming to you, because - is the one we have got to deal with.j nomia, coming to you, because you were down in miami for the previous indictment, what we know about how the former president is taking all of this in, what his state of mind is at the moment?— of this in, what his state of mind is at the moment? this strengthens donald trump- _ is at the moment? this strengthens donald trump. donald _ is at the moment? this strengthens donald trump. donald trump - is at the moment? this strengthens donald trump. donald trump has i donald trump. donald trump has almost been previewing this indictment and he was doing the same indictment and he was doing the same in miami. for donald trump as we been hearing from some of your desk, this actually does strengthen his standing, certainly with republican voters, his base. if you look at the polls not one of them it is moved by these indictments because, remember, down from has a very powerful message. he says to his base and a lot of people in this country. it is that the system is rigged against me, against you, against all of us and that is very powerful message to send to a lot of people who are

naturally cynical about the government or naturally cynical about institutions, and with every indictment, that actually works in his favour, as we have seen any polls religion voters. it would kill the career of any other politician and uc even now with the republican primary, with this race for the president nomination, he is miles ahead of all the other candidates, miles ahead, and none of them use any of these indictments, any of these legal cases against him at all. you think they would, right? you think this would be great leverage to use against arrival, that he has all these legal problems, but they don't. instead they either embrace what he is saying, which then strengthens his claims of election fraud or what have you, so for donald trump, obviously who knows what is exactly going on in his mind? he has said before in interviews he does like

the indictments, he doesn't like this happening to them, but from the messages he sets on social networking sites, on the campaign e—mails he sends out, it is obvious this is something he does embrace and he makes a lot of money for his campaign off the back of these indictments.— campaign off the back of these indictments. . ., ., , indictments. yeah, indeed, and as we have heard some _ indictments. yeah, indeed, and as we have heard some of— indictments. yeah, indeed, and as we have heard some of that _ indictments. yeah, indeed, and as we have heard some of that money - indictments. yeah, indeed, and as we have heard some of that money is - have heard some of that money is being used to pay eagle fees. one thing we have not mentioned yet, this the third indictment of the former president in the past four months and he could in the next two weeks or so for three weeks perhaps face yet another indictments also on efforts to overturn the election result in the state of georgia? right, that is right. that one would be, right, that is right. that one would be have _ right, that is right. that one would be have some _ right, that is right. that one would be, have some overlaps— right, that is right. that one would be, have some overlaps with - right, that is right. that one would be, have some overlaps with whatl right, that is right. that one would i be, have some overlaps with what we have seen _ be, have some overlaps with what we have seen todav — be, have some overlaps with what we have seen today in _ be, have some overlaps with what we have seen today in it _ be, have some overlaps with what we have seen today in it had _ be, have some overlaps with what we have seen today in it had to _ be, have some overlaps with what we have seen today in it had to do with l have seen today in it had to do with the election. — have seen today in it had to do with the election, and _ have seen today in it had to do with the election, and putting _ have seen today in it had to do with the election, and putting pressure. the election, and putting pressure on individuals— the election, and putting pressure on individuals to _ the election, and putting pressure on individuals to change _ the election, and putting pressure on individuals to change the - the election, and putting pressure. on individuals to change the results of the _ on individuals to change the results of the election. _ on individuals to change the results of the election. that _ on individuals to change the results of the election. that would - on individuals to change the results of the election. that would be - on individuals to change the results of the election. that would be a - of the election. that would be a state-level _ of the election. that would be a state—level case. _ of the election. that would be a state—level case. the _ of the election. that would be a state—level case. the one - of the election. that would be a state—level case. the one we i of the election. that would be ai state—level case. the one we are dealing _ state—level case. the one we are dealing with _ state—level case. the one we are dealing with the _ state—level case. the one we are dealing with the date _ state—level case. the one we are dealing with the date is - state—level case. the one we are dealing with the date is federal. i dealing with the date is federal. yeah, _ dealing with the date is federal. yeah, that— dealing with the date is federal. yeah, that would _ dealing with the date is federal. yeah, that would be _ dealing with the date is federal. yeah, that would be a _ dealing with the date is federal. yeah, that would be a really- yeah, that would be a really interesting _ yeah, that would be a really interesting combination- yeah, that would be a really interesting combination of. yeah, that would be a really- interesting combination of events and i_ interesting combination of events and i think— interesting combination of events and i think if— interesting combination of events and i think if you _ interesting combination of events and i think if you put _ interesting combination of events and i think if you put them - interesting combination of events and i think if you put them in - interesting combination of events. and i think if you put them in order

of priority— and i think if you put them in order of priority that _ and i think if you put them in order of priority that l _ and i think if you put them in order of priority that i would _ and i think if you put them in order of priority that i would still - and i think if you put them in order of priority that i would still think. of priority that i would still think the mar—a—lago classified - of priority that i would still think- the mar—a—lago classified documents case probably— the mar—a—lago classified documents case probably poses _ the mar—a—lago classified documents case probably poses the _ the mar—a—lago classified documents case probably poses the most - the mar—a—lago classified documents case probably poses the most dangerj case probably poses the most danger to donald _ case probably poses the most danger to donald trump _ case probably poses the most danger to donald trump. then— case probably poses the most danger to donald trump. then i— case probably poses the most danger to donald trump. then i would - case probably poses the most danger to donald trump. then i would say. to donald trump. then i would say this one. _ to donald trump. then i would say this one. then— to donald trump. then i would say this one, then perhaps _ to donald trump. then i would say this one, then perhaps the - to donald trump. then i would say this one, then perhaps the one - to donald trump. then i would say this one, then perhaps the one in. this one, then perhaps the one in the state — this one, then perhaps the one in the state of— this one, then perhaps the one in the state of georgia _ this one, then perhaps the one in the state of georgia and - this one, then perhaps the one in the state of georgia and then - this one, then perhaps the one in the state of georgia and then i i the state of georgia and then i think— the state of georgia and then i think in— the state of georgia and then i think in your— the state of georgia and then i think in your case, _ the state of georgia and then i think in your case, on - the state of georgia and then i think in your case, on that - the state of georgia and then ii think in your case, on that fraud matter. — think in your case, on that fraud matter. i— think in your case, on that fraud matter, i think— think in your case, on that fraud matter, i think that _ think in your case, on that fraud matter, i think that when - think in your case, on that fraud matter, i think that when it - think in your case, on that fraud matter, i think that when it of l think in your case, on that fraud matter, i think that when it of a | matter, i think that when it of a stretch— matter, i think that when it of a stretch so i_ matter, i think that when it of a stretch so i think _ matter, i think that when it of a stretch so i think it _ matter, i think that when it of a stretch so i think it is— matter, i think that when it of a stretch so i think it is probably. stretch so i think it is probably his lea's— stretch so i think it is probably his lea's problem, _ stretch so i think it is probably his lea's problem, but- stretch so i think it is probably his lea's problem, but again, i stretch so i think it is probably. his lea's problem, but again, no criminal— his lea's problem, but again, no criminal charges— his lea's problem, but again, no criminal charges are _ his lea's problem, but again, no criminal charges are good - his lea's problem, but again, no criminal charges are good thing. | criminal charges are good thing. except— criminal charges are good thing. except maybe _ criminal charges are good thing. except maybe in _ criminal charges are good thing. except maybe in the _ criminal charges are good thing. except maybe in the political- criminal charges are good thing. i except maybe in the political minds of his— except maybe in the political minds of his supporters _ except maybe in the political minds of his supporters who _ except maybe in the political minds of his supporters who seem - except maybe in the political minds of his supporters who seem like - of his supporters who seem like they're — of his supporters who seem like they're willing _ of his supporters who seem like they're willing to _ of his supporters who seem like they're willing to back _ of his supporters who seem like they're willing to back in - of his supporters who seem like they're willing to back in the - they're willing to back in the matter— they're willing to back in the matter what _ they're willing to back in the matter what happens. - they're willing to back in the matter what happens. on i they're willing to back in the matter what happens. on these charues matter what happens. on these charges and _ matter what happens. on these charges and these _ matter what happens. on these charges and these indictments, | matter what happens. on these - charges and these indictments, what penalty do they carry? what is its own front actually facing in this specific case? he own front actually facing in this specific case?— specific case? he is facing “ail time, he fl specific case? he is facing “ail time. he is d specific case? he is facing “ail time, he is facing i specific case? he is facing “ail time, he is facing fines, h specific case? he is facing jail| time, he is facing fines, other restrictions— time, he is facing fines, other restrictions on— time, he is facing fines, other restrictions on his _ time, he is facing fines, other restrictions on his freedoms l time, he is facing fines, other. restrictions on his freedoms such time, he is facing fines, other- restrictions on his freedoms such as maybe _ restrictions on his freedoms such as maybe it _ restrictions on his freedoms such as maybe it is — restrictions on his freedoms such as maybe it is not _ restrictions on his freedoms such as maybe it is not jail, _ restrictions on his freedoms such as maybe it is not jail, it— restrictions on his freedoms such as maybe it is not jail, it could - restrictions on his freedoms such as maybe it is not jail, it could be - maybe it is not jail, it could be house — maybe it is not jail, it could be house arrest _ maybe it is not jail, it could be house arrest or— maybe it is not jail, it could be house arrest or inability - maybe it is not jail, it could be house arrest or inability to - maybe it is not jail, it could be i house arrest or inability to leave the country _ house arrest or inability to leave the country. nothing _ house arrest or inability to leave the country. nothing good - house arrest or inability to leave the country. nothing good for. house arrest or inability to leave the country. nothing good for al the country. nothing good for a 78-year-old _ the country. nothing good for a 78—year—old man. _ the country. nothing good for a 78—year—old man. and - the country. nothing good for a 78—year—old man. and also - the country. nothing good for a 78—year—old man. and also i i the country. nothing good for a. 78—year—old man. and also i will touch— 78—year—old man. and also i will touch on— 78—year—old man. and also i will touch on another— 78—year—old man. and also i will touch on another point, - 78—year—old man. and also i will touch on another point, and - 78—year—old man. and also i will touch on another point, and this| 78—year—old man. and also i will. touch on another point, and this is less legal— touch on another point, and this is less legal and _ touch on another point, and this is less legal and more _ touch on another point, and this is less legal and more political- touch on another point, and this is less legal and more political big i less legal and more political big picture. — less legal and more political big picture. it— less legal and more political big picture. it is— less legal and more political big picture, it is an _ less legal and more political big picture, it is an embarrassmentj less legal and more political big. picture, it is an embarrassment for the united — picture, it is an embarrassment for the united states— picture, it is an embarrassment for the united states also _ picture, it is an embarrassment for the united states also the - picture, it is an embarrassment for the united states also the fact - picture, it is an embarrassment for the united states also the fact we i the united states also the fact we have a _ the united states also the fact we

have a former _ the united states also the fact we have a former chief _ the united states also the fact we have a former chief executive, - have a former chief executive, regardless _ have a former chief executive, regardless of _ have a former chief executive, regardless of what _ have a former chief executive, regardless of what you - have a former chief executive, regardless of what you think . have a former chief executive, | regardless of what you think of have a former chief executive, - regardless of what you think of him, facing _ regardless of what you think of him, facing multiple — regardless of what you think of him, facing multiple charges _ regardless of what you think of him, facing multiple charges and - regardless of what you think of him, j facing multiple charges and multiple levels. _ facing multiple charges and multiple levels. i_ facing multiple charges and multiple levels. i mean. _ facing multiple charges and multiple levels, i mean, it— facing multiple charges and multiple levels, i mean, it is— facing multiple charges and multiple levels, i mean, it is interesting - levels, i mean, it is interesting because — levels, i mean, it is interesting because i— levels, i mean, it is interesting because i think— levels, i mean, it is interesting because i think earlier- levels, i mean, it is interesting because i think earlier the - because i think earlier the suggestion— because i think earlier the suggestion was— because i think earlier the suggestion was maybe - because i think earlier the - suggestion was maybe donald because i think earlier the _ suggestion was maybe donald trump will back— suggestion was maybe donald trump will back out — suggestion was maybe donald trump will back out of— suggestion was maybe donald trump will back out of the _ suggestion was maybe donald trump will back out of the race _ suggestion was maybe donald trump will back out of the race to _ suggestion was maybe donald trump will back out of the race to focus - will back out of the race to focus on his— will back out of the race to focus on his legal— will back out of the race to focus on his legal defence, _ will back out of the race to focus on his legal defence, i— will back out of the race to focus on his legal defence, i almost. on his legal defence, i almost wonder— on his legal defence, i almost wonder if— on his legal defence, i almost wonder if that _ on his legal defence, i almost wonder if that could _ on his legal defence, i almost wonder if that could be - on his legal defence, i almost| wonder if that could be maybe on his legal defence, i almost. wonder if that could be maybe a bargain — wonder if that could be maybe a bargain where _ wonder if that could be maybe a bargain where he _ wonder if that could be maybe a bargain where he says, - wonder if that could be maybe a bargain where he says, look, i wonder if that could be maybe a . bargain where he says, look, drop or reduce _ bargain where he says, look, drop or reduce the _ bargain where he says, look, drop or reduce the charges _ bargain where he says, look, drop or reduce the charges and _ bargain where he says, look, drop or reduce the charges and i— bargain where he says, look, drop or reduce the charges and i will- bargain where he says, look, drop or reduce the charges and i will get - reduce the charges and i will get out of— reduce the charges and i will get out of the — reduce the charges and i will get out of the race, _ reduce the charges and i will get out of the race, to _ reduce the charges and i will get out of the race, to spare - reduce the charges and i will get out of the race, to spare us- reduce the charges and i will get out of the race, to spare us all. reduce the charges and i will get| out of the race, to spare us all of this national— out of the race, to spare us all of this national embarrassment, - this national embarrassment, because otherwise _ this national embarrassment, because otherwise it _ this national embarrassment, because otherwise it is — this national embarrassment, because otherwise it is good _ this national embarrassment, because otherwise it is good to _ this national embarrassment, because otherwise it is good to be _ this national embarrassment, because otherwise it is good to be a _ this national embarrassment, because otherwise it is good to be a nasty- otherwise it is good to be a nasty next _ otherwise it is good to be a nasty next couple — otherwise it is good to be a nasty next couple of _ otherwise it is good to be a nasty next couple of years. _ otherwise it is good to be a nasty next couple of years.— next couple of years. really interesting _ next couple of years. really interesting insight - next couple of years. really interesting insight you - next couple of years. really interesting insight you have j next couple of years. really - interesting insight you have shared with us tonight —— going to be nasty. thank you so much for giving urinalysis on the programme tonight. stephanie, i want to come to you now —— giving your analysis. the fact that the former president has been up that the former president has been up to raise a significant amount of money off the back of the previous indictments and possibly this one as well. what do you make of that? the worst the situation becomes for donald — worst the situation becomes for donald trump, the more outrageous

his behaviour of the more outrageous statements. there are his loyalists who are _ statements. there are his loyalists who are refusing to see him for who he is, _ who are refusing to see him for who he is, because i think if they see him for— he is, because i think if they see him for who— he is, because i think if they see him for who he is, that means that everything — him for who he is, that means that everything the past however many years _ everything the past however many years they — everything the past however many years they have been voting for donald — years they have been voting for donald trump, that would mean every thln- donald trump, that would mean every thing has _ donald trump, that would mean every thing has been a lie, and they are unwilling — thing has been a lie, and they are unwilling to accept that reality. people — unwilling to accept that reality. people are trying to rip the visor from _ people are trying to rip the visor from their— people are trying to rip the visor from their hands and they are holding — from their hands and they are holding onto it, and as outlandish as his _ holding onto it, and as outlandish as his behaviour is, the more they're — as his behaviour is, the more they're doubling down because they are holding on to the belief that he has been _ are holding on to the belief that he has been selling them and they have been buying at every turn, the t-shirts, — been buying at every turn, the t—shirts, the hats and everything else, _ t—shirts, the hats and everything else and — t—shirts, the hats and everything else and it — t—shirts, the hats and everything else, and it is unfortunate because it is appealing to, unfortunately,

weaknesses in some parts of our community— weaknesses in some parts of our community that want to be aggrieved, that want— community that want to be aggrieved, that want to feel that the world is cheating — that want to feel that the world is cheating them regardless of whether there is— cheating them regardless of whether there is evidence of that and as long _ there is evidence of that and as long as — there is evidence of that and as long as there are people out there who want— long as there are people out there who want to feel that they are the victim, _ who want to feel that they are the victim, that want to feel like the world is— victim, that want to feel like the world is against them, donald trump remains _ world is against them, donald trump remains their champion. there is no other— remains their champion. there is no other republican candidate able to toe that _ other republican candidate able to toe that line for them.— toe that line for them. certainly something. _ toe that line for them. certainly something, cuts _ toe that line for them. certainly something, cuts are _ toe that line for them. certainly something, cuts are also - toe that line for them. certainly something, cuts are also goingl toe that line for them. certainly i something, cuts are also going to have to grapple with, i want to get another legal take. we have a former deputy assistant attorney general and a former general counsel for the office of the director of national intelligence. thank you very much forjoining us. you have been combing through this indictment, i understand? tell us what has about to you. —— stood out to you. tom to you. -- stood out to you. two thins to you. -- stood out to you. two things stand — to you. -- stood out to you. two things stand out. _ to you. -- stood out to you. two things stand out. the _ to you. —— stood out to you. two things stand out. the first is this puts— things stand out. the first is this puts everything _ things stand out. the first is this puts everything together - things stand out. the first is this puts everything together in - things stand out. the first is this puts everything together in onel puts everything together in one place — puts everything together in one place we — puts everything together in one place we have _ puts everything together in one place. we have seen _

puts everything together in one place. we have seen lots - puts everything together in one place. we have seen lots of - place. we have seen lots of individual _ place. we have seen lots of individual news _ place. we have seen lots of individual news stories - place. we have seen lots of. individual news stories about individual— individual news stories about individual events. _ individual news stories about individual events. this - individual news stories about individual events. this tells i individual news stories aboutj individual events. this tells a strong — individual events. this tells a strong coherent— individual events. this tells a strong coherent story - individual events. this tells a strong coherent story from . individual events. this tells a - strong coherent story from beginning to end _ strong coherent story from beginning to end and _ strong coherent story from beginning to end and it— strong coherent story from beginning to end and it is— strong coherent story from beginning to end and it is a _ strong coherent story from beginning to end and it is a very— strong coherent story from beginning to end and it is a very powerful- to end and it is a very powerful story~ — to end and it is a very powerful story. second _ to end and it is a very powerful story. second thing _ to end and it is a very powerful story. second thing that - to end and it is a very powerful story. second thing that struckj to end and it is a very powerful. story. second thing that struck is there _ story. second thing that struck is there are — story. second thing that struck is there are six _ story. second thing that struck is there are six people _ story. second thing that struck is there are six people who - story. second thing that struck is there are six people who were i story. second thing that struck is - there are six people who were named as co-conspirators _ there are six people who were named as co—conspirators. they _ there are six people who were named as co—conspirators. they not - there are six people who were named as co—conspirators. they not named i as co—conspirators. they not named but i _ as co—conspirators. they not named but i think— as co—conspirators. they not named but i think it — as co—conspirators. they not named but i think it will— as co—conspirators. they not named but i think it will be _ as co—conspirators. they not named but i think it will be able _ as co—conspirators. they not named but i think it will be able to- but i think it will be able to figure out— but i think it will be able to figure out who _ but i think it will be able to figure out who they- but i think it will be able to figure out who they all- but i think it will be able toj figure out who they all are. but i think it will be able to- figure out who they all are. one of them _ figure out who they all are. one of them is _ figure out who they all are. one of them is obviously _ figure out who they all are. one of them is obviouslyjeffrey_ figure out who they all are. one of them is obviouslyjeffrey clark, - figure out who they all are. one ofl them is obviouslyjeffrey clark, one of them _ them is obviouslyjeffrey clark, one of them is — them is obviouslyjeffrey clark, one of them isjohn_ them is obviouslyjeffrey clark, one of them isjohn eastmond, - them is obviouslyjeffrey clark, one of them isjohn eastmond, visibly. of them isjohn eastmond, visibly rudy— of them isjohn eastmond, visibly rudy giuliani _ of them isjohn eastmond, visibly rudy giuliani and _ of them isjohn eastmond, visibly rudy giuliani and city _ of them isjohn eastmond, visibly rudy giuliani and city powell- of them isjohn eastmond, visibly rudy giuliani and city powell are, j rudy giuliani and city powell are, but none — rudy giuliani and city powell are, but none of— rudy giuliani and city powell are, but none of them _ rudy giuliani and city powell are, but none of them are _ rudy giuliani and city powell are, but none of them are injected - rudy giuliani and city powell are, but none of them are injected ori but none of them are injected or charged — but none of them are injected or charged i— but none of them are injected or charged. i think— but none of them are injected or charged. i think it— but none of them are injected or charged. i think it will— but none of them are injected or charged. i think it will be - charged. i think it will be interesting _ charged. i think it will be interesting to— charged. i think it will be interesting to try - charged. i think it will be interesting to try to - charged. i think it will bel interesting to try to figure charged. i think it will be - interesting to try to figure out why that is— interesting to try to figure out why that is -- — interesting to try to figure out why that is -- known— interesting to try to figure out why that is —— known of— interesting to try to figure out why that is —— known of them - interesting to try to figure out why that is —— known of them are - that is —— known of them are indicted _ that is —— known of them are indicted. are _ that is —— known of them are indicted. are they— that is —— known of them are i indicted. are they cooperating? that is —— known of them are - indicted. are they cooperating? is this an _ indicted. are they cooperating? is this an attempt _ indicted. are they cooperating? is this an attempt to _ indicted. are they cooperating? is this an attempt to pressure - indicted. are they cooperating? is this an attempt to pressure theml indicted. are they cooperating? is i this an attempt to pressure them to cooperate? — this an attempt to pressure them to cooperate? why— this an attempt to pressure them to cooperate? why are _ this an attempt to pressure them to cooperate? why are these - this an attempt to pressure them to cooperate? why are these people . this an attempt to pressure them to . cooperate? why are these people who were deeply _ cooperate? why are these people who were deeply involved _ cooperate? why are these people who were deeply involved in— cooperate? why are these people who were deeply involved in these - cooperate? why are these people who were deeply involved in these skin - were deeply involved in these skin tears _ were deeply involved in these skin tears do _ were deeply involved in these skin tears do not — were deeply involved in these skin tears do not charge? _ were deeply involved in these skin tears do not charge? it— were deeply involved in these skin tears do not charge?— were deeply involved in these skin tears do not charge? it says -- you said it is a — tears do not charge? it says -- you said it is a story... _ tears do not charge? it says -- you said it is a story... i _ tears do not charge? it says -- you said it is a story... i am _ tears do not charge? it says -- you said it is a story... i am confident i said it is a story... i am confident they would _ said it is a story... i am confident they would have _ said it is a story... i am confident they would have put _ said it is a story... i am confident they would have put this - said it is a story... i am confident. they would have put this information in an indictment _ they would have put this information in an indictment of— they would have put this information in an indictment of us _ they would have put this information in an indictment of us they _ they would have put this information in an indictment of us they had - in an indictment of us they had strong — in an indictment of us they had

strong evidence. _ in an indictment of us they had strong evidence. the _ in an indictment of us they had . strong evidence. the department in an indictment of us they had - strong evidence. the department of justice _ strong evidence. the department of justice policy— strong evidence. the department of justice policy is, _ strong evidence. the department of justice policy is, you're _ strong evidence. the department of justice policy is, you're not- justice policy is, you're not supposed _ justice policy is, you're not supposed to— justice policy is, you're not supposed to put _ justice policy is, you're not supposed to put facts - justice policy is, you're not supposed to put facts in i justice policy is, you're not- supposed to put facts in indictment you cannot — supposed to put facts in indictment you cannot prove _ supposed to put facts in indictment you cannot prove beyond _ supposed to put facts in indictment you cannot prove beyond a - supposed to put facts in indictment. you cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt, _ you cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt, and _ you cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt, and im— you cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt, and i'm sure _ you cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt, and i'm sure they— you cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt, and i'm sure they have - you cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt, and i'm sure they have peoplel doubt, and i'm sure they have people like mike _ doubt, and i'm sure they have people like mike pence _ doubt, and i'm sure they have people like mike pence and _ doubt, and i'm sure they have people like mike pence and mark— doubt, and i'm sure they have people like mike pence and mark meadows. doubt, and i'm sure they have people . like mike pence and mark meadows and others who— like mike pence and mark meadows and others who have — like mike pence and mark meadows and others who have been _ like mike pence and mark meadows and others who have been in _ like mike pence and mark meadows and others who have been in and _ others who have been in and told them _ others who have been in and told them the — others who have been in and told them the information _ others who have been in and told them the information that - others who have been in and told them the information that is - others who have been in and told them the information that is in l others who have been in and told i them the information that is in this indictment — them the information that is in this indictment liff— them the information that is in this indictment. , . ., , . indictment. of these charges which do ou indictment. of these charges which do you think _ indictment. of these charges which do you think is _ indictment. of these charges which do you think is going _ indictment. of these charges which do you think is going to be - indictment. of these charges which do you think is going to be the - indictment. of these charges which | do you think is going to be the most difficult for the special counsel's office to prove? we've been talking about the fact that intent in particular is going to be very difficult to prove that the president knew that he was lying. i think they are all going to more or less rise _ think they are all going to more or less rise or— think they are all going to more or less rise or fall— think they are all going to more or less rise or fall on _ think they are all going to more or less rise or fall on that _ less rise or fall on that same issue — less rise or fall on that same issue all— less rise or fall on that same issue all of— less rise or fall on that same issue. all of them _ less rise or fall on that same issue. all of them whether i less rise or fall on that same issue. all of them whether it less rise or fall on that same . issue. all of them whether it is less rise or fall on that same - issue. all of them whether it is the one of— issue. all of them whether it is the one of the — issue. all of them whether it is the one of the conspiracy— issue. all of them whether it is the one of the conspiracy counts, the i one of the conspiracy counts, the substantive — one of the conspiracy counts, the substantive obstruction— one of the conspiracy counts, the substantive obstruction or - one of the conspiracy counts, the substantive obstruction or the . one of the conspiracy counts, thel substantive obstruction or the civil rights _ substantive obstruction or the civil rights charge _ substantive obstruction or the civil rights charge it _ substantive obstruction or the civil rights charge, it is _ substantive obstruction or the civil rights charge, it is all— substantive obstruction or the civil rights charge, it is all going - substantive obstruction or the civil rights charge, it is all going to - rights charge, it is all going to depend — rights charge, it is all going to depend on _ rights charge, it is all going to depend on proving _ rights charge, it is all going to depend on proving that- rights charge, it is all going to depend on proving that he - rights charge, it is all going to - depend on proving that he knew that what he _ depend on proving that he knew that what he was — depend on proving that he knew that what he was doing _ depend on proving that he knew that what he was doing was _ depend on proving that he knew that what he was doing was both - depend on proving that he knew that what he was doing was both based . depend on proving that he knew thatl what he was doing was both based on false information _ what he was doing was both based on false information and was _ what he was doing was both based on false information and was unlawful, l false information and was unlawful, and i_ false information and was unlawful, and i think— false information and was unlawful, and i think what _ false information and was unlawful, and i think what you _ false information and was unlawful, and i think what you will _ false information and was unlawful, and i think what you will have - false information and was unlawful, and i think what you will have is - false information and was unlawful, and i think what you will have is a l and i think what you will have is a situation — and i think what you will have is a situation where _ and i think what you will have is a situation where he _ and i think what you will have is a situation where he is _ and i think what you will have is a

situation where he is going - and i think what you will have is a situation where he is going to - and i think what you will have is al situation where he is going to say, i situation where he is going to say, i was _ situation where he is going to say, i was relying — situation where he is going to say, i was relying on— situation where he is going to say, i was relying on the _ situation where he is going to say, i was relying on the advice - situation where he is going to say, i was relying on the advice of- situation where he is going to say, | i was relying on the advice of these two or— i was relying on the advice of these two or three — i was relying on the advice of these two or three people, _ i was relying on the advice of these two or three people, and _ i was relying on the advice of these| two or three people, and everybody else in_ two or three people, and everybody else in the — two or three people, and everybody else in the world _ two or three people, and everybody else in the world is _ two or three people, and everybody else in the world is telling - two or three people, and everybody else in the world is telling him - else in the world is telling him something _ else in the world is telling him something different, - else in the world is telling him something different, and - else in the world is telling him something different, and it- else in the world is telling him something different, and it isi else in the world is telling him - something different, and it is going to be _ something different, and it is going to be up— something different, and it is going to be up to — something different, and it is going to be up to the _ something different, and it is going to be up to thejury_ something different, and it is going to be up to the jury to _ something different, and it is going to be up to the jury to decide, - something different, and it is going to be up to the jury to decide, did i to be up to the jury to decide, did he truly believe _ to be up to the jury to decide, did he truly believe that _ to be up to the jury to decide, did he truly believe that there - to be up to the jury to decide, did he truly believe that there was i he truly believe that there was a massive — he truly believe that there was a massive election _ he truly believe that there was a massive election fraud _ he truly believe that there was a massive election fraud or- he truly believe that there was a massive election fraud or did i he truly believe that there was a | massive election fraud or did she he truly believe that there was a i massive election fraud or did she in fact know— massive election fraud or did she in fact know that — massive election fraud or did she in fact know that there _ massive election fraud or did she in fact know that there was _ massive election fraud or did she in fact know that there was not? i massive election fraud or did she inj fact know that there was not? mack you think— fact know that there was not? mack you think you — fact know that there was not? mack you think you might _ fact know that there was not? mack you think you might see _ fact know that there was not? mack you think you might see new- fact know that there was not? mack. you think you might see new evidence presented _ you think you might see new evidence presented -- — you think you might see new evidence presented -- do— you think you might see new evidence presented -- do you _ you think you might see new evidence presented —— do you think? _ we were talking about the 60 month process in thejennifer�*s committee in the house of representatives —— january 6 committee... what more do you think we might find out? any indication we might find out from this indictment and the investigation? i this indictment and the investigation?- this indictment and the investigation? this indictment and the investiiation? ~' , , . ., investigation? i think the special counsel probably _ investigation? i think the special counsel probably put _ investigation? i think the special counsel probably put into - investigation? i think the special counsel probably put into the i counsel probably put into the indictment _ counsel probably put into the indictment the _ counsel probably put into the indictment the best - counsel probably put into the indictment the best evidence j counsel probably put into the i indictment the best evidence he counsel probably put into the - indictment the best evidence he had. ithink— indictment the best evidence he had. i think what— indictment the best evidence he had. i think what we — indictment the best evidence he had. i think what we will— indictment the best evidence he had. i think what we will see _ indictment the best evidence he had. i think what we will see that - indictment the best evidence he had. i think what we will see that is i i think what we will see that is different if— i think what we will see that is different if this _ i think what we will see that is different if this case _ i think what we will see that is different if this case goes i i think what we will see that is different if this case goes to i i think what we will see that is i different if this case goes to trial is we _ different if this case goes to trial is we will— different if this case goes to trial is we will see _ different if this case goes to trial is we will see people _ different if this case goes to trial is we will see people taking i is we will see people taking the witness — is we will see people taking the witness stand _ is we will see people taking the witness stand publicly - is we will see people taking the witness stand publicly and - witness stand publicly and testifying _ witness stand publicly and testifying to _ witness stand publicly and testifying to the _ witness stand publicly and testifying to the events i witness stand publicly and i testifying to the events that witness stand publicly and - testifying to the events that are set forth — testifying to the events that are set forth in _ testifying to the events that are set forth in the _ testifying to the events that are set forth in the indictment. -

testifying to the events that are set forth in the indictment. i. testifying to the events that are . set forth in the indictment. i think it is going — set forth in the indictment. i think it is going to— set forth in the indictment. i think it is going to be _ set forth in the indictment. i think it is going to be powerful- set forth in the indictment. i think it is going to be powerful to - set forth in the indictment. i think it is going to be powerful to havei it is going to be powerful to have his vice _ it is going to be powerful to have his vice president _ it is going to be powerful to have his vice president and _ it is going to be powerful to have his vice president and his - his vice president and his president's— his vice president and his president's counsel- his vice president and his president's counsel and i his vice president and his - president's counsel and others testifying _ president's counsel and others testifying to _ president's counsel and others testifying to the _ president's counsel and others testifying to the kinds - president's counsel and others testifying to the kinds of- president's counsel and others - testifying to the kinds of meetings and discussions _ testifying to the kinds of meetings and discussions that _ testifying to the kinds of meetings and discussions that are _ testifying to the kinds of meetings and discussions that are set - testifying to the kinds of meetings and discussions that are set forthi and discussions that are set forth in the _ and discussions that are set forth in the indictment _ and discussions that are set forth in the indictment here. _ and discussions that are set forth in the indictment here. [5- and discussions that are set forth in the indictment here.— in the indictment here. is former vice president _ in the indictment here. is former vice president mike _ in the indictment here. is former vice president mike pence - in the indictment here. is former vice president mike pence has i in the indictment here. is former i vice president mike pence has been asked also again recently on the campaign trail specifically about this case and a possibility of indictment and said the former president was misled by his lawyers and most of that is certainly the argument that we might see the defence take, but could you tell us more about what you think the strategy will be here from trump's lawyers? i strategy will be here from trump's la ers? ~ . lawyers? i think it will be three arts lawyers? i think it will be three parts shortage _ lawyers? i think it will be three parts shortage e1 _ lawyers? i think it will be three parts shortage e1 part - lawyers? i think it will be three parts shortage e1 part will - lawyers? i think it will be three parts shortage e1 part will be i lawyers? i think it will be three | parts shortage e1 part will be to seek— parts shortage e1 part will be to seek to — parts shortage e1 part will be to seek to detey— parts shortage e1 part will be to seek to delay this _ parts shortage e1 part will be to seek to delay this as _ parts shortage e1 part will be to seek to delay this as long - parts shortage e1 part will be to seek to delay this as long as . seek to delay this as long as possible _ seek to delay this as long as possible -- _ seek to delay this as long as possible. —— one— seek to delay this as long as possible. —— one part- seek to delay this as long as possible. —— one part will. seek to delay this as long asl possible. —— one part will be. seek to delay this as long as - possible. —— one part will be. in the hopes— possible. —— one part will be. in the hones that _ possible. —— one part will be. in the hopes that he _ possible. —— one part will be. in the hopes that he or— possible. —— one part will be. in the hopes that he or another. the hopes that he or another republican— the hopes that he or another republican is— the hopes that he or another republican is elected - the hopes that he or another. republican is elected president the hopes that he or another- republican is elected president in november— republican is elected president in november 24 _ republican is elected president in november24 and _ republican is elected president in november 24 and the _ republican is elected president in november 24 and the case - republican is elected president in november 24 and the case goes i republican is elected president in - november 24 and the case goes away for the _ november 24 and the case goes away for the second — november 24 and the case goes away for the second tragedy— november 24 and the case goes away for the second tragedy is _ november 24 and the case goes away for the second tragedy is going - november 24 and the case goes away for the second tragedy is going to - for the second tragedy is going to be a political— for the second tragedy is going to be a political one, _ for the second tragedy is going to be a political one, the _ for the second tragedy is going to be a political one, the same - for the second tragedy is going to be a political one, the same try. for the second tragedy is going to| be a political one, the same try to g that _ be a political one, the same try to g that he — be a political one, the same try to g that he has _ be a political one, the same try to g that he has been _ be a political one, the same try to g that he has been pursuing - be a political one, the same try to g that he has been pursuing for. g that he has been pursuing for years— g that he has been pursuing for years now— g that he has been pursuing for years now -- _ g that he has been pursuing for years now —— the _ g that he has been pursuing for years now —— the same - g that he has been pursuing for. years now —— the same strategy. g that he has been pursuing for-

years now —— the same strategy. the claims _ years now —— the same strategy. the claims of— years now —— the same strategy. the claims of the — years now —— the same strategy. the claims of the witchhunt, _ years now —— the same strategy. the claims of the witchhunt, to _ years now —— the same strategy. the claims of the witchhunt, to attempt i claims of the witchhunt, to attempt to get— claims of the witchhunt, to attempt to get a _ claims of the witchhunt, to attempt to get a republican _ claims of the witchhunt, to attempt to get a republican congress - claims of the witchhunt, to attempt to get a republican congress to - to get a republican congress to throw— to get a republican congress to throw sand _ to get a republican congress to throw sand in _ to get a republican congress to throw sand in the _ to get a republican congress to throw sand in the wheels - to get a republican congress to throw sand in the wheels of- to get a republican congress to throw sand in the wheels of thei throw sand in the wheels of the investigation, _ throw sand in the wheels of the investigation, but _ throw sand in the wheels of the investigation, but the - throw sand in the wheels of the investigation, but the third - investigation, but the third strategy— investigation, but the third strategy is, _ investigation, but the third strategy is, as _ investigation, but the third strategy is, as pence - investigation, but the third - strategy is, as pence indicated, to try to _ strategy is, as pence indicated, to try to blame — strategy is, as pence indicated, to try to blame it— strategy is, as pence indicated, to try to blame it on— strategy is, as pence indicated, to try to blame it on other— strategy is, as pence indicated, to try to blame it on other people. i strategy is, as pence indicated, to| try to blame it on other people. to say, try to blame it on other people. to say. my— try to blame it on other people. to say. nry tawyers _ try to blame it on other people. to say, my lawyers told _ try to blame it on other people. to say, my lawyers told me _ try to blame it on other people. to say, my lawyers told me this, - try to blame it on other people. to say, my lawyers told me this, and| say, my lawyers told me this, and as i say, my lawyers told me this, and as i said _ say, my lawyers told me this, and as i said that _ say, my lawyers told me this, and as i said that is — say, my lawyers told me this, and as i said that is going _ say, my lawyers told me this, and as i said that is going to _ say, my lawyers told me this, and as i said that is going to bow down- say, my lawyers told me this, and as i said that is going to bow down to i i said that is going to bow down to the question— i said that is going to bow down to the question of. _ i said that is going to bow down to the question of, could _ i said that is going to bow down to the question of, could he - i said that is going to bow down to the question of, could he really. the question of, could he really believe — the question of, could he really believe what _ the question of, could he really believe what the _ the question of, could he really believe what the lawyers were i believe what the lawyers were telling — believe what the lawyers were telling him _ believe what the lawyers were telling him when _ believe what the lawyers were telling him when in _ believe what the lawyers were telling him when in the - believe what the lawyers were i telling him when in the lawyers believe what the lawyers were - telling him when in the lawyers did not realty— telling him when in the lawyers did not really believe _ telling him when in the lawyers did not really believe it? _ telling him when in the lawyers did not really believe it? $— telling him when in the lawyers did not really believe it?— not really believe it? a great point there. i not really believe it? a great point there- i want _ not really believe it? a great point there. i want to _ not really believe it? a great point there. i want to bring _ not really believe it? a great point there. i want to bring back- not really believe it? a great point there. i want to bring back our - there. i want to bring back our panel here and nomia are correspondents staying outside courthouse. nomia, this is going to be, as we heard from robert, one of the strategies of the trump defence team, to try to postpone, because as we know, there are two other trial dates set already for next year? yes, i was looking at the calendar for 2024. yes, i was looking at the calendar for2024. it yes, i was looking at the calendar for 2024. it is astonishing, really, because trump's court dates, they do, they are happening at the same

time as you have got some key campaign events such as the iowa caucuses, you've got super tuesday the 5th of march, 14 states vote in elections, biggest day, the same month the stormy daniels payment trial which donald trump has to attend, he has to attend the terminal cases, and the 20th of may, a trial, declassified files trial. and then there is a republican convention on the 15th ofjuly. he is looking at six trials next year before the election. and that is just astonishing. for a former president, for if potential future president, for if potential future president, that many trials in the course of the campaign and his strategy is to keep getting the long grass. we know donald trump has had that strategy throughout his life, running down the clock ticking adventure of the slow pace of investigation and the way court works to kick it into the long grass, because if this does go after the election and that's just he

becomes president of the department ofjustice hasn't or decades policy whereby he does not prosecute a sitting president. it is also a situation which donald trump could theoretically pardon himself. if he does become president. we're talking about such uncharted territory here next year, as we are talking before, it is going to be such an expert in every year because it is right in the run—up to election —— such an extraordinary year. he is going to be spending a lot of time in court. nomia, ijust want be spending a lot of time in court. nomia, i just want to ask you a quick question about what is happening around you. i see somet holding a sign behind you, cannot read it from where i am, but have they been people gathering as we know there's going to be an arraignment held on thursday afternoon right here in dc? yes. arraignment held on thursday afternoon right here in dc? yes, the erson afternoon right here in dc? yes, the person you — afternoon right here in dc? yes, the person you can _ afternoon right here in dc? yes, the person you can see _ afternoon right here in dc? yes, the person you can see with _ afternoon right here in dc? yes, the person you can see with the - afternoon right here in dc? yes, the person you can see with the sign, i afternoon right here in dc? yes, the person you can see with the sign, it| person you can see with the sign, it says, trump indicted. dc as we know is a very liberal part of america, it is pretty hard to find a lot of

donald trump supporters here, you have to go further out into washington, overto have to go further out into washington, over to virginia, to find them, but there have been a couple of outcome here, who have been very loud, made their voices heard and believe that donald trump, it is wrong is being indicted. you'll see what happens thursday. just for my experience of covering the previous indictments you do get donald trump supporters that come out, notjust as a part of the members of the republican party sometimes also show up. as you can imagine security detail being readily tight. he is still a former president, security will be tight, secret service agents every step of the way, but we can expect thursday to be a spectacle if i can use that word, because it was last time in miami and it was in new york. we don't expect it to be any different on thursday. don't expect it to be any different on thursday-_ don't expect it to be any different on thursday. stephanie, i want to come to you _ on thursday. stephanie, i want to come to you as — on thursday. stephanie, i want to come to you as well, _ on thursday. stephanie, i want to come to you as well, because - on thursday. stephanie, i want to come to you as well, because as i on thursday. stephanie, i want to l come to you as well, because as we heard from nomia, there have been these efforts from the trump

campaign to push this trial down the road, to push a possible indictment down the road. we know the former president's lawyers were meeting with the special counsels office. what is democrat strategy in all of this? the most recent post we have seen is the former president appears to be as popular as ever? i seen is the former president appears to be as popular as ever?— to be as popular as ever? i think our strategy _ to be as popular as ever? i think our strategy should _ to be as popular as ever? i think our strategy should remain - to be as popular as ever? i think our strategy should remain to i to be as popular as ever? i think| our strategy should remain to let this be _ our strategy should remain to let this be sorted out in the courts. i don't _ this be sorted out in the courts. i don't think— this be sorted out in the courts. i don't think we gain independence, which _ don't think we gain independence, which are — don't think we gain independence, which are going to be essential for the general election, byjumping on the general election, byjumping on the trump — the general election, byjumping on the trump bandwagon for we have bashed _ the trump bandwagon for we have bashed him enough. people see him or don't see _ bashed him enough. people see him or don't see him _ bashed him enough. people see him or don't see him and there's nothing democrats — don't see him and there's nothing democrats can say that is going change — democrats can say that is going change that. we need to focus on the work the _ change that. we need to focus on the work the biden administration has been _ work the biden administration has been doing, the jobs that are created. _ been doing, the jobs that are created, the fact that he is pushing our economy forward and infrastructure work that had not happened under the trump

administration that has happened now was to— administration that has happened now was to we _ administration that has happened now was to we need to focus on those things— was to we need to focus on those things and — was to we need to focus on those things and make sure that the electorate understands that there is a choice _ electorate understands that there is a choice. we don't have to devolve back— a choice. we don't have to devolve back into _ a choice. we don't have to devolve back into the chaos that was the trump _ back into the chaos that was the trump years in office, that there is a better— trump years in office, that there is a better and — trump years in office, that there is a better and brighter path forward with president biden. and robert, cominu with president biden. and robert, coming back _ with president biden. and robert, coming back to — with president biden. and robert, coming back to you, _ with president biden. and robert, coming back to you, because - with president biden. and robert, coming back to you, because we l with president biden. and robert, i coming back to you, because we just heard the word chaos there from stephanie. nomia was talking about the schedule next year with the two trial dates that are already planned. where could this january 6 trial possibly fit in, if the special councils office once a speedy trial?— special councils office once a seed trial? . speedy trial? that is a really good cuestion. speedy trial? that is a really good question- i _ speedy trial? that is a really good question- i do _ speedy trial? that is a really good question. i do not _ speedy trial? that is a really good question. i do not think— speedy trial? that is a really good question. i do not think anybody l speedy trial? that is a really good | question. i do not think anybody is going _ question. i do not think anybody is going to _ question. i do not think anybody is going to require _ question. i do not think anybody is going to require that _ question. i do not think anybody is going to require that he _ question. i do not think anybody is going to require that he have - question. i do not think anybody is going to require that he have four| going to require that he have four or five _ going to require that he have four or five criminal— going to require that he have four or five criminal trials _ going to require that he have four or five criminal trials in _ going to require that he have four or five criminal trials in the - going to require that he have four or five criminal trials in the space| or five criminal trials in the space of 12_ or five criminal trials in the space of 12 months _ or five criminal trials in the space of 12 months. this— or five criminal trials in the space of 12 months. this case _ or five criminal trials in the space of 12 months. this case is- or five criminal trials in the space of 12 months. this case is not- or five criminal trials in the space i of 12 months. this case is not going to present — of 12 months. this case is not going to present the — of 12 months. this case is not going to present the complications - to present the complications invotving _ to present the complications involving the _ to present the complications involving the use _ to present the complications involving the use of- to present the complicationsl involving the use of classified

evidence _ involving the use of classified evidence that _ involving the use of classified evidence that the _ involving the use of classified evidence that the florida - involving the use of classified | evidence that the florida case involving the use of classified . evidence that the florida case is going _ evidence that the florida case is going to, — evidence that the florida case is going to, so _ evidence that the florida case is going to, so i _ evidence that the florida case is going to, so i suspect— evidence that the florida case is going to, so i suspect that - evidence that the florida case is going to, so i suspect that the l going to, so i suspect that the special— going to, so i suspect that the special counsel— going to, so i suspect that the special counsel is— going to, so i suspect that the special counsel is going - going to, so i suspect that the special counsel is going to - going to, so i suspect that the i special counsel is going to push going to, so i suspect that the - special counsel is going to push for a triat— special counsel is going to push for a trial sometime _ special counsel is going to push for a trial sometime around _ special counsel is going to push for a trial sometime around the - special counsel is going to push for a trial sometime around the end i special counsel is going to push for a trial sometime around the end ofj a trial sometime around the end of the year— a trial sometime around the end of the year to— a trial sometime around the end of the year to get _ a trial sometime around the end of the year to get this _ a trial sometime around the end of the year to get this case tried - the year to get this case tried first~ — the year to get this case tried first i— the year to get this case tried first~ iwitt— the year to get this case tried first. i will add _ the year to get this case tried first. i will add one _ the year to get this case tried first. i will add one thing - the year to get this case tried first. i will add one thing to l the year to get this case tried i first. i will add one thing to what nomia _ first. i will add one thing to what nomia said — first. i will add one thing to what nomia said before, _ first. i will add one thing to what nomia said before, which- first. i will add one thing to what nomia said before, which is- first. i will add one thing to what nomia said before, which is that| first. i will add one thing to what i nomia said before, which is that if trump _ nomia said before, which is that if trump gets— nomia said before, which is that if trump gets elected _ nomia said before, which is that if trump gets elected president, - nomia said before, which is that if trump gets elected president, he i nomia said before, which is that if. trump gets elected president, he is -ot trump gets elected president, he is got a _ trump gets elected president, he is got a similar— trump gets elected president, he is got a similar path _ trump gets elected president, he is got a similar path to _ trump gets elected president, he is got a similar path to get _ trump gets elected president, he is got a similar path to get rid - trump gets elected president, he is got a similar path to get rid of- got a similar path to get rid of this case then _ got a similar path to get rid of this case then pardoning - got a similar path to get rid of. this case then pardoning himself got a similar path to get rid of- this case then pardoning himself as he is in _ this case then pardoning himself as he is in charge _ this case then pardoning himself as he is in charge of— this case then pardoning himself as he is in charge of the _ this case then pardoning himself as he is in charge of the department l this case then pardoning himself asi he is in charge of the department of justice. _ he is in charge of the department of justice. he _ he is in charge of the department of justice. heiust_ he is in charge of the department of justice, he just directs— he is in charge of the department of justice, he just directs the _ justice, he just directs the department— justice, he just directs the department of— justice, he just directs the department ofjustice - justice, he just directs the department ofjustice to l justice, he just directs the i department ofjustice to drop justice, he just directs the - department ofjustice to drop the case and — department ofjustice to drop the case and it— department ofjustice to drop the case and it is— department ofjustice to drop the case and it is over. _ department ofjustice to drop the case and it is over. find _ department ofjustice to drop the case and it is over.— case and it is over. and i want to brina in case and it is over. and i want to bring in another _ case and it is over. and i want to bring in another panelist - case and it is over. and i want to bring in another panelist that - case and it is over. and i want to bring in another panelist that we j bring in another panelist that we have with us, an american historian from american university, central historian. if we can bring you in here, what is the president for what we have seen here today, this third indictment of a former president in the last four months?— the last four months? there is no precedent- _ the last four months? there is no precedent. this _ the last four months? there is no precedent. this is _ the last four months? there is no precedent. this is very _ the last four months? there is no precedent. this is very sad - the last four months? there is no precedent. this is very sad day i the last four months? there is no| precedent. this is very sad day for america. — precedent. this is very sad day for america. a — precedent. this is very sad day for america, a very day for the world, because _ america, a very day for the world, because prior to donald trump, america — because prior to donald trump, america was a beacon of democracy

and donald — america was a beacon of democracy and donald trump has tried to destroy— and donald trump has tried to destroy that. put aside the other two indictments which i don't think is right, _ two indictments which i don't think is right, but— two indictments which i don't think is right, but could be dismissed, one as _ is right, but could be dismissed, one as a — is right, but could be dismissed, one as a documents case, the other as a paperwork case, you cannot dismiss _ as a paperwork case, you cannot dismiss this— as a paperwork case, you cannot dismiss this case that way. in effect — dismiss this case that way. in effect trump has been charged with the most _ effect trump has been charged with the most serious of federal crimes and i_ the most serious of federal crimes and i don't — the most serious of federal crimes and i don't mean this in a technical sense _ and i don't mean this in a technical sense of— and i don't mean this in a technical sense of the — and i don't mean this in a technical sense of the but in an historic sense, — sense of the but in an historic sense, short of treason. he is in effect _ sense, short of treason. he is in effect you — sense, short of treason. he is in effect you strip away all the legalese charged with undermining our democracy. within legalese charged with undermining our democracy. with in effect legalese charged with undermining our democracy. within effect in many— our democracy. within effect in many different ways, through fake etectors, — many different ways, through fake electors, pressuring the vice president, pressuring officials in the states, getting his supporters to storm — the states, getting his supporters to storm the capital, in multiple ways. _ to storm the capital, in multiple ways, he — to storm the capital, in multiple ways, he has tried to organise a coup— ways, he has tried to organise a coup against our democracy and calm this close _ coup against our democracy and calm this close to — coup against our democracy and calm this close to having it succeed, tet's_ this close to having it succeed,

let's not— this close to having it succeed, let's not forget we were really on the verge — let's not forget we were really on the verge of losing our democracy, and if— the verge of losing our democracy, and if he _ the verge of losing our democracy, and if he gets away with this, if he is not _ and if he gets away with this, if he is not held — and if he gets away with this, if he is not held accountable, indeed, our democracy's — is not held accountable, indeed, our democracy's future is very much in jeopardy. — democracy's future is very much in jeopardy, and again he is presumed innocent, _ jeopardy, and again he is presumed innocent, but i think he is going to have _ innocent, but i think he is going to have an _ innocent, but i think he is going to have an incredibly tough time defending himself against these very detailed _ defending himself against these very detailed charges outlined in the 40 pa-e detailed charges outlined in the 40 page ptus — detailed charges outlined in the 40 page plus indictment. and jack smith is the _ page plus indictment. and jack smith is the anti—robert mueller. robert muetter— is the anti—robert mueller. robert mueller wrote a 400 pod page report, it was turgid, it was full of— page report, it was turgid, it was full of legalese, it was impossible to read. _ full of legalese, it was impossible to read. it — full of legalese, it was impossible to read, it came to no clear conclusion for stubjack to read, it came to no clear conclusion for stub jack smith's tetts _ conclusion for stub jack smith's tells a — conclusion for stub jack smith's tells a simple, compelling story, takes _ tells a simple, compelling story, takes a _ tells a simple, compelling story, takes a strong hand against wrongdoing. indeed, he has got it down to— wrongdoing. indeed, he has got it down to where the goats can get it.

stay there — down to where the goats can get it. stay there because we are just going to be looking again at what exactly this historic news is tonight, what has happened this evening, just so we can bring our viewers up to date on this historic evening as we have set here in washington, dc, another indictment of the former president of the united states, donald trump. live from washington. this is bbc news. former us president donald trump has been formally charged over his alleged efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election. the he's been charged on four counts, including conspiring to defraud the united states and conspiring against the rights of citizens. mrtrump has

mr trump has been summoned to appear in a federal court right here in washington, dc on thursday and abc news briefly spoke to him who called the charges a quote, pylon and ridiculous. according to cbs news the biden campaign has unsurprisingly declined to comment on the new indictment handed down against the former president who is running to unseat president biden in 2024. a short while ago special counseljack smith held a press conference and here's what he said. today an indictment was unsealed charging donaldj trump with conspiring to defraud the united states, conspiring to disenfranchise voters and conspiring and attempting to obstruct an official proceeding. the indictment was issued by a grand jury of citizens here in the district of columbia, and it sets forth the crimes charged in detail. i encourage everyone to read it in full. the attack on our nations capital on january the 6th, 2021 was an unprecedented assault on the seat of american democracy.

it is described in the indictment, fuelled by lies.