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marks his third as a criminal defendant in four months. donald trump faces some of the most serious legal charges he's incurred to date. on thursday, donald trump pleaded not guilty to all four charges relating to the events ofjanuary 6th, 2021, when a mob of his supporters stormed the capitol as lawmakers worked to certify the 2020 presidential election result. this is how trump's arraignment unfolded today — the former president flew to washington, dc from newjersey. mr trump entered the court room through back corridors. the court stands just a few blocks from the us capitol building. former president trump was then read his rights — he entered a not guilty plea. the next hearing is set for the morning of august 28th. mr trump has left washington on his private plane. before boarding, he made a brief statement. this is a very sad day for america. and it was also very sad driving through washington, dc
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and seeing the filth and the decay and all of the broken buildings and walls and the graffiti. this is not the place that i left. it's a very sad thing to see it. when you look at what's happening, this is a persecution of a political opponent. this was never supposed to happen in america. this is the persecution of the person that's leading by very, very substantial numbers in the republican primary, and leading biden by a lot. so if you can't beat him, you persecute him or you prosecute him. we can't let this happen in america. thank you very much. live to outside the courthouse now, with carl nasman. good to see you, you've been at the courthouse all day today. walk us through what you have seen unfolding.— seen unfolding. definitely a lot of what _
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seen unfolding. definitely a lot of what we _ seen unfolding. definitely a lot of what we saw - seen unfolding. definitely a lot of what we saw today i seen unfolding. definitely a i lot of what we saw today was incredibly historic. former president donald trump pleading not guilty to four criminal charges relating to his alleged attempt to overturn the results of the 2020 election, leading up of the 2020 election, leading up to the events of january sixth. the setting is his stoic as well, only a few steps away from the foot of the capitol building. at the same time, the feeling is a lot of this is beginning to feel rather unremarkable, almost normal. this is now the third arraignment for donald trump, the procedure is that we see in the procedure is that we see in the courthouse, entering that plea, we have seen it before, donald trump has done it before. this was a quick arraignment, 30 minutes, and he was out the door, back to the airport and back to newjersey on the plane. 50 airport and back to newjersey on the plane-— airport and back to newjersey on the plane. so where do we go in terms of _ on the plane. so where do we go in terms of the _ on the plane. so where do we go in terms of the next _ on the plane. so where do we go in terms of the next stages - on the plane. so where do we go in terms of the next stages of. in terms of the next stages of this trial?— in terms of the next stages of this trial? ., ., ., this trial? you mentioned that data earlier, _ this trial? you mentioned that data earlier, august _ this trial? you mentioned that data earlier, august 28th, - this trial? you mentioned that data earlier, august 28th, the i data earlier, august 28th, the next key hearing in this case. that's when we will see the
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judge chutkan presiding over the next hearing, and that's when we could find out when this trial might begin. some suspecting it could begin next year. trump's legal team hoping to delay it as long as possible, potentially if they can even after the 2024 election. we know the special counseljack smith is hoping for a speedy trial. those sorts of legal battles again to play out in the beginning of august 28th. �* . ., ,., out in the beginning of august 28th. �* . ., , ., ., 28th. i'm curious about how the atmosphere _ 28th. i'm curious about how the atmosphere has _ 28th. i'm curious about how the atmosphere has been _ 28th. i'm curious about how the atmosphere has been there. - atmosphere has been there. public opinion is going to mean a lot in terms of where america goes from here, isn't it? it’s goes from here, isn't it? it's auiet goes from here, isn't it? it's quiet now— goes from here, isn't it? it's quiet new in _ goes from here, isn't it? it's quiet now in front _ goes from here, isn't it? it�*s quiet now in front of the courthouse, but when these events were happening earlier today there were pockets of supporters of trump, and anti—trump protesters, small but very loud, and speaking with some of the trump supporters, it was striking to hear that many of the comments hear that many of the comments he has repeated over and over
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about this being a weaponisation of the justice department, of him being targeted because he is the front runner to the republicans, they were being echoed by all of the trump supporters we met. 0ne told us they will vote for donald trump no matter what happens in this case and in his other legal cases. so at least in the court of public opinion, it doesn't seem as if the former president's legal issues will have any kind of effect on his standing with his hard—core base,in standing with his hard—core base, in terms of the 2024 election. base, in terms of the 2024 election-— election. what was it like inside the _ election. what was it like inside the courtroom? i l election. what was it like i inside the courtroom? i know you have been speaking to one of our bbc reporters who was positioned inside the courtroom.— positioned inside the courtroom. ., courtroom. right. there were no cameras allowed _ courtroom. right. there were no cameras allowed inside. - courtroom. right. there were no cameras allowed inside. so i cameras allowed inside. so everything we know comes from reporters who were allowed into the courthouse itself. they were watching on video monitors. we had a bbc reporter
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in there, they describe the courtroom as rather sparse, a couple of wooden tables where trump and his team were sat, three rows of benches behind, jack smith in the front row behind donald trump. the atmosphere was quiet. donald trump was made to wait about 20 minutes as the hearing got started late. that's when a bit of tension crept into the courtroom. the former president started to fidget as he was waiting for thejudge to arrive. waiting for the judge to arrive. 0therwise, very waiting for thejudge to arrive. 0therwise, very quiet and calm trump entering that plea, listening to the charges that were read out. then he was on his way. starting to feel a bit more normal, and we could see a fourth arraignment coming up see a fourth arraignment coming up in the state of georgia in the coming days.— up in the state of georgia in the coming days. earlier, my colleague sumi somaskanda spoke to former congresswoman stephanie murphy. she served as a democratic representative for the state of florida, and also worked on the house select committee to investigate
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the january 6th attack. congresswoman, thank you for joining us. you served on the january sixth committee in the house of representatives. at the end of last year, you retired. how do you feel about the indictment that we have seen? i the indictment that we have seen? ~ seen? i feel like the indictment - seen? i feel like the indictment is - seen? i feel like the indictment is the i seen? i feel like the - indictment is the beginning of the process of legal accountability for the former president, for his role in trying to impact our democracy. in some ways, a sad day for america that we had an elected official at our highest level trying to undermine our democracy, but on the other hand it's also a day that shows our institutions have held, despite his greatest efforts. you will get due process. i hope we will see that he is held accountable. d0 hope we will see that he is held accountable.- hope we will see that he is held accountable. do you think this indictment _ held accountable. do you think this indictment reflects - held accountable. do you think this indictment reflects the i this indictment reflects the hearings and the report that
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your committee submitted? in large part, it does reflect what our committee had found. but i do think it goes a step further, because the department ofjustice was able to get several very key witnesses to speak to them, whereas when they spoke to us, they either claimed privilege or some didn't appear before us at all. we see in the indictment some of the information they have received, i imagine through the trial we will see more of what they learned from these individuals, like the former vice president pence, and the white house attorney. i wanted to ask you _ white house attorney. i wanted to ask you about _ white house attorney. i wanted to ask you about the _ white house attorney. i wanted to ask you about the former- to ask you about the former vice president mike pence. how key do you think his testimony could be in a possible trial? i think his testimony is going to be very critical in trials. in fact, a titbit in the indictment where he had taken contemporaneous notes and said
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the president said to him, when he was pressuring him to do something that wasn't constitutional, the president complain, you are too honest. i think the vice president should wear that with a badge of honour. that the former president would say he is too honest. but that indicates that the president knew what he was asking the vice president to do could have been illegal or had been dishonest. congresswoman, do ou been dishonest. congresswoman, do you think _ been dishonest. congresswoman, do you thinkjack _ been dishonest. congresswoman, do you thinkjack smith _ been dishonest. congresswoman, do you thinkjack smith can i do you thinkjack smith can succeed where the impeachment didn't? i succeed where the impeachment didn't? . ., , ., didn't? i certainly hope that he can succeed. _ didn't? i certainly hope that he can succeed. i _ didn't? i certainly hope that he can succeed. i think i didn't? i certainly hope that he can succeed. i think he l didn't? i certainly hope that i he can succeed. i think he has got far more information. his purposeis got far more information. his purpose is a bit different. the threshold he is trying to prove, and he has narrowly articulated the charges... he has been able to gather far more information than the impeachment was able to gather. we are now almost four years on
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from that time, and we know a lot more about the overall scheme than when the impeachment occurred. let's get some more analysis. robert costa is a correspondent with cbs news, hejoined me earlier. robert koster, chief election correspondent for cbs news. great to have you with us. we are on somewhat unusual ground, this is uncharted territory, and yet we have also been here before in the past few months when it comes to donald trump. talk to us about what you are hearing today from the trump camp. hearing today from the trump cam -. , , . ., h, camp. inside the trump campaign toda , camp. inside the trump campaign today. there _ camp. inside the trump campaign today. there is — camp. inside the trump campaign today, there is defiance, - camp. inside the trump campaign today, there is defiance, and i today, there is defiance, and the legal team will push to delay this trial. special counseljack smith has wanted to get this moving, and after the indictment he wants to make sure it moves at speed, as the campaign season heats up. there is going to be a delay strategy from the trump lawyers, as they make the argument to the judge
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in the coming days that because trump faces a trial looming in new york over hush money payments, he faces the classified documents case in florida, and now in addition the january sixth case, and potentially another case in georgia, that they need time to go through what's called the discovery period where they look over all of the documents. and while that goes the special counseljack smith's investigation continues. we know there are six co—conspirators. they haven't been charged, but among them are believed to be rudy giuliani. tell us more about what we know about those co—conspirators. what we know about those co-conspirators._ what we know about those co-conspirators. just because the co-conspirators _ co-conspirators. just because the co-conspirators were i co-conspirators. just because the co-conspirators were not| the co—conspirators were not indicted, it doesn't mean they are not going to be indicted down the line. based on our conversation with sources close to the investigation, the special counsel continues to investigate trump and his associates as he moves forward with the possible trial of the former president. in that process, the special counsel is collecting more interviews
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about what rudy giuliani was doing behind the scenes after the election, pushing to have an alternative elector scene playing out. he and his aides wanted new elector is sent to congress so that trump could stay in the white house. teiiii stay in the white house. tell us more _ stay in the white house. tell us more about _ stay in the white house. tell us more about that - stay in the white house. tell us more about that potential timeline from your reporting, you are pointing out it is likely that trump's legal team will be playing for time. do you think this trial will come to pass before the 2024 election?— to pass before the 2024 election? . ., , to pass before the 2024 election? , election? special counseljack smith has _ election? special counseljack smith has made _ election? special counseljack smith has made it _ election? special counseljack smith has made it evident i election? special counseljack| smith has made it evident that he is moving in an aggressive way. if the trial will likely take place next year, but delays for different reasons could happen... new information could happen... new information could come to light. mark meadows, the former trump chief of staff, not mentioned in any specific way in the indictment, but he is seen as a key witness in the investigation. you may see more information emerge about people co—operating as
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they make this case. you mentioned the 2024 presidential campaign. an intriguing element in the case, former vice president mike pence is now emerging as a crucial witness in this investigation while also running against trump for the republican nomination. today, cbs news spoke with mark shaw, mike pence's former chief of staff, and he says mike pence has turned over contemporaneous notes to the special counsel, he took meticulous notes during his time as vice president. that's going to give the special counsel a vivid window into what was happening behind—the—scenes before and afterjanuary sixth. so behind-the-scenes before and afterjanuary sixth.— afterjanuary sixth. so how do ou afterjanuary sixth. so how do you think _ afterjanuary sixth. so how do you think donald _ afterjanuary sixth. so how do you think donald trump i afterjanuary sixth. so how do you think donald trump will i you think donald trump will handle all of this, including what will likely be a wide—ranging legal timetable, while also heading into the primaries? he while also heading into the primaries?— while also heading into the rimaries? , , , primaries? he believes, based on conversations _ primaries? he believes, based on conversations with - primaries? he believes, based on conversations with his i on conversations with his friends and allies today, that the republican voters across the republican voters across the country will stick with him despite all of the legal
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challenges he is facing. many of his rivals hope in the upcoming republican presidential debate that they can take him on face—to—face about his electability as this plays out in the courts. behind the scenes today, trump on his plane, in the motor gate to the courthouse, she was calm. in the courtroom when he was asked for his name, he said donald trump, donaldj trump. when asked his age, he said, seven, seven, a throwaway line. he didn't even say he was 77. he said, seven, seven. they said that's trump's very subtle way of trying to signal that he is not taking this too seriously. that confidence is buoyed by the polling which still shows in the santa ana. d0 the polling which still shows in the santa ana.— the polling which still shows in the santa ana. do you think there is any — in the santa ana. do you think there is any sense _ in the santa ana. do you think there is any sense that - in the santa ana. do you think there is any sense that could i there is any sense that could potentially peel away. == there is any sense that could potentially peel away. -- still shows he _ potentially peel away. -- still shows he is — potentially peel away. -- still shows he is the _ potentially peel away. -- still shows he is the frontrunner. l shows he is the frontrunner. much of the money has come from
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his campaign pot, is it sustainable? is it legal? it may be raising questions about the legality, the political action committee has said they can spend on legal fees but they have spent more than $40 million on legal fees. at this point, trump's campaign and his lieutenant inside it, they believe florida governor ron desantis, former vice president mike pence and another array of rivals running for the nomination are not serious competition. but what some trump donors and allies are looking for behind the if someone elsejumps in looking for behind the if someone else jumps in the looking for behind the if someone elsejumps in the race, virginia governor glen young king is being encouraged. he is a favourite of the wall street community. 0rthe a favourite of the wall street community. or the georgia governor brian kemp, who stood up governor brian kemp, who stood up for trump governor brian kemp, who stood upfortrump in governor brian kemp, who stood up for trump in the post—election period in 2020. he is having whispers from allies and donors that maybe he should jump into the race. usually a late entry into a
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presidential race is complicated because you have to have the machinations of a campaign come together quickly, but we are in uncertain times and it remains on the radarfor those at the top of the republican party. 50 those at the top of the republican party. those at the top of the reublican -a . ., , republican party. so what comes next for donald _ republican party. so what comes next for donald trump? - republican party. so what comes next for donald trump? he i republican party. so what comes next for donald trump? he is i next for donald trump? he is meant to be on the campaign trail, where does he go? he is auoin to trail, where does he go? he is going to continue _ trail, where does he go? he is going to continue to _ trail, where does he go? he is going to continue to travel- trail, where does he go? he is going to continue to travel to l going to continue to travel to iowa where he thinks there is stiff competition, and next year's caucuses, he will go to new hampshire and south carolina and the subsequent contest in the republican primaries. he has to make a decision. in late august does he go to the walkie wisconsin to hear at the —— to appear at the republican presidential debate? chris christie said, if you don't come, it shows weakness. some of his allies say he might show up even though he continues to say he won't. just a sign that he might, he had dinner the other day with fox news executives hosting the debate, they are trying to get him to come,
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because they would like to see the frontrunner there and because they believe he will bring an audience along. fascinating, always great to talk to you, robert. around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news. meet the cheshire ghost riders, gearing up for a home world championships. it's a whirlwind of emotions, notjust adrenaline. you're focused, during the flow state and you are across the line before you know it. i am buzzing, i did the worlds 11 years ago and had an awful accident when i broke my hip, couldn't walk for seven years. recently got back into it and qualified again, and it's amazing. at this bmx track, the club have eight riders qualified for the world championships in glasgow. the youngest being nine years old.
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i started when i was about three. my dad did it first. and i thought, maybe that might be interesting to try it. can we go? for more stories across the uk, go to the bbc news website. american pop star lizzo says allegations made by three of herformer dancers, including of sexual harassment and creating a hostile work environment, are false. the bbc has spoken to the dancers , who say she needs to be held accountable. # how you feeling? # feeling good as hell # ooo child... # on stage and in interviews, lizzo has shared a message of body positivity and celebrating who you are. hey, lizzo, this is arianna and i am super excited to get the chance to audition for your dancer and model search. a she was a role model
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to the three dancers who have taken out this lawsuit, containing allegations lizzo rejects as false. they spoke to me from la on why they felt they had to go public. this was the worst case scenario, it was a last resort. this person that has been bullied her whole life has now got power and now she has kind of lost touch of, i believe, who she is and her roots, and now she is doing to others what was done to her. the claims involve explicit sexual acts with sex toys and being made to rehearse for so long that the dancers soiled themselves. i do think she needs to be held accountable for all the things l that she has done or enabled and created this _ environment to be done in. but they have a fight on their hands. lizzo has now responded to the claims, releasing a statement in which she says the allegations are false, unbelievable and too outrageous not to be addressed. and there is still every chance that this will never make it to court.
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i would imagine that lizzo will begin to reinforce her brand that has been attacked, as to whether that is truly authentic, so you will see her double down. you will see her team begin to attack the other side and i would imagine that this will be settled. it is hard to love yourself in a world that doesn't love you back. the three dancers told me that lizzo's statement has left them overwhelmed, disappointed and feeling overlooked. lizzo says she is not the villain that people in the media have portrayed her to be. do you consider lizzo to be a villain? do i think lizzo can take this and change and be who she says she is? yes, absolutely. i want her to be who she says she was when i first met her. the bbc has asked lizzo for an interview. she is yet to respond. colin paterson, bbc news. let's take you to niger now.
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the newly installed military regime says it will respond immediately to any aggression or attempted aggression against it by west african country. the warnin: it by west african country. the warning comes _ it by west african country. the warning comesjust before the warning comes just before the expiry of the agreement by ecowas to restore order. a us appeals court has allowed the biden administration to keep asylum limits at the southern border.the rule disqualifies migrants from asylum if they cross the border illegally without seeking protection before entering the us. in the early days of the war in ukraine, panicked people rushed to escape their country by train from the western city of lviv. since then, more than a quarter of ukraine's population has been forced to leave their homes. our special correspondent fergal keane has this story of one family who fled. 0n the line that once carried them to exile, a family is homeward bound. 0ksana 0nyschuk and her children,
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anna and ilya, are refugees. it's been 18 months since this. this is hard to credit, to believe in the europe of 2022, people are just crushing all around me, trying to get on to these trains. many thousands fled ukraine through lviv railway station. like 0ksana, her husband jenia, and their children. this photo taken just weeks before the war. the moment of their separation. men of fighting age couldn't leave the country. jenia went home to this.
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explosion. the city of kharkiv, under a russian siege. a year after saying goodbye to his family, jenia was eking out an existence with food aid. his job as a massage therapist vanished with the war. inside... ..memories of the old life. on the other side of europe, 1500 miles away, the distance between war and peace. if — present, simple, present, simple. if you leave the object, it drops. 0ksana and the children
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found refuge in surrey. if — to describe a possible situation. an english speaker, she's teaching the children of ukrainian refugees. i became strong, i think. yeah, i faced some difficulties. i must be a mother, a father, a teacher. among the pupils, herson, ilya. i miss ukraine so much. i miss for my dad. and i feel sad right now because he is not next to me. but as winter passes into spring, and then to summer, a plan is being made. 18 months after fleeing the war, they're returning for a holiday in a safe place away from the front line. can you sleep at night now that you're... no, i'm so excited. what do you think it's going to be like when you get there? very sunny and happy.
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back on home soil at last. ukrainian flag. we're in ukraine. 0h! you're home. lovely. then on towards the east on this last long night. i've never had such an exciting emotions and feelings like i have now. every hour, we are closer and closer to him. never was a morning so happy. for a moment, everybody beyond words.
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one family's answer to the cruelty of war. fergal keane, bbc news, ukraine. stay with us here on bbc news. hello there. thursday was a relatively quiet day for many of us. in fact, we had some sunny spells and a little bit of warmth coming through. cambridge was the top spot with 23 celsius by the middle of the afternoon. not all of us had beautiful blue, sunny skies. in fact, the cloud, the shower cloud gathered across whitley bay by the end of the afternoon. and some of those showers intense, with rumbles of thunder and lightning mixed in there. so, a similar story as we go into friday. still got this northwesterly flow. that's going to be driving some fairweather cloud around. and through parts of the afternoon, we will start to see a cluster of sharp showers, particularly down through eastern england. a few isolated showers for scotland and northern ireland, the best of the sunshine
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in sheltered western areas. but temperatures will be a little bit disappointing because of that north—westerly wind direction — 15 to 20 degrees the overall high, 68 fahrenheit. now, as we move out of friday into the start of the weekend, once again, it's going to be the fourth weekend in a row that we've seen an area of low pressure moving in off the atlantic and bringing some unseasonably wet and windy weather for this time of year. so heavy rain during the early hours of saturday morning across northern ireland. it will gradually push its way steadily eastwards. and as the low moves east, while the winds will be gusting across wales and south—west england 50, possibly 60 miles an hour, and that could have an implication certainly for those camping, but some rough seas as well. also, that rain will clear its way steadily east, and then behind, its going to be a cool and disappointing day for many — only 14 to 17 degrees at the very best. so after a pretty wetjuly, looks likely that we're going to see more significant rain as we move into the next few days for the early half of august, darker blues
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denoting anywhere where we could potentially see another inch or two of rain. and as we move from sunday into the early part of next week, it looks likely that that unsettled theme is set to continue. however, from wednesday onwards, it looks likely that an area of high pressure will build, and we haven't seen this for quite some time. just how long the high pressure is going to stay with us is still subject to question. perhaps it might ease away after just a few days, but there is a glimmer of hope that we will see some blue sky and sunshine and it will feel warmer.
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this is bbc news. we'll have the headlines and all the main news stories for you at the top of the hour, straight after this programme. it is going to be a cold, dark night for many south africans with stage 6 load shedding announced. south africa is sinking into darkness, its crumbling power system no longer able to keep the lights on. the poorest here hit hardest. after 20, 25 years. you're going to have to close down. yes. the power crisis is the result of decades of mismanagement and massive corruption,
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criminal gangs ready to kill anyone who tries to stop the looting. i was shaking badly. i was literally lying like this and i started gasping for air. a mixture of cyanide and sodium arsenite. today, south africa still gets almost all its power from burning coal. it's a lethal addiction. it's killing us. this coal is killing us. the answer, to many, is a green revolution. but can western money and pressure help south africa embrace renewable energy? or is the rot here simply too deep? it's very depressing. it's very concerning. our country is in a serious dark place.

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