mr trump's appearance in a federal courtroom earlier marks his third as a criminal defendant in four months. donald trump faces some of the most serious legal charges he's incurred to date. on thursday, donald trump pleaded not guilty to all four charges relating to the events ofjanuary 6, 2021, when a mob of his supporters stormed the capitol as lawmakers worked to certify the 2020 presidential election result. this is how trump's arraignment unfolded today. the former president flew to washington, dc from newjersey. mr trump entered the courtroom through back corridors. the court stands just a few blocks from the us capitol building. former president trump was then read his rights. he entered a not guilty plea. the next hearing set for the morning of august 28. mr trump has now left washington on his private plane. before boarding, he made a brief statement. thank you very much.

this is a very sad day for america. and it was also very sad driving through washington, dc and seeing the filth and the decay and all of the broken buildings and walls and the graffiti. this is not the place that i left. it's a very sad thing to see it. when you look at what's happening, this is a persecution of a political opponent. this was never supposed to happen in america. this is the persecution of the person that's leading by very, very substantial numbers in the republican primary and leading biden by a lot. so, if you can't beat him, you persecute him or you prosecute him. we can't let this happen in america. thank you very much. earlier, my colleague sumi somaskanda spoke to former congresswoman stephanie murphy. she served as a democratic representative for the state of florida and also worked on the house select committee to investigate the january 6th attack.

thank you so much forjoining us. firstly, you served on the january six committee in the house of representatives. at the end of last year you retired. how do you feel about the arraignment and indictment we have seen? if the arraignment and indictment we have seen?— we have seen? if you like the indictment — we have seen? if you like the indictment is _ we have seen? if you like the indictment is the _ we have seen? if you like the indictment is the beginning i we have seen? if you like the| indictment is the beginning of the process of legal accountability for the former president, for his role in trying to subvert our democracy and so, in some ways, it's a sad day for america that we had an elected official, our highest level, try to undermine our democracy but on the other hand, it's also a day that shows that our institutions have held, despite his greatest efforts, and you know, he will get you process and i hope that we will see that he is held accountable. d0 we will see that he is held accountable.— we will see that he is held accountable. , ., ~ , accountable. do you think this indictment — accountable. do you think this indictment reflects _ accountable. do you think this indictment reflects the - indictment reflects the hearings and the report that your committee submitted? in large part, it does reflect

what our committee had found. but i do think it goes a step further because the department ofjustice was able to get several very key witnesses to speak to them, whereas when they spoke to us, they either claimed ravlic or some did not appear before us at all. —— privilege. we see in the indictment some of the information they received i imagine through the trial we will see more of what they learned from these individuals, like the former vice president mike pence and the white house attorney pat cipollone. i wanted to ask you precisely about the former vice president. how key do you think his testimony could be in a possible trial? i his testimony could be in a possible trial?— possible trial? i think his testimony _ possible trial? i think his testimony is _ possible trial? i think his testimony is going - possible trial? i think his testimony is going to - possible trial? i think his testimony is going to be | possible trial? i think his - testimony is going to be very critical in a trial. and in fact, the tidbit that was in the indictment where he had taken contemporaneous notes and said that the president said to him when he was pressuring him

to do something that wasn't constitutional, you know, the president complained, "you're too honest" and i think the vice president should wear that with a badge of honour, the former president would say he is too honest. but that indicates that the president knew what he was asking the vice president to do. could have been a legal or had been dishonest. —— illegal. d0 have been a legal or had been dishonest. -- illegal.- dishonest. -- illegal. do you thinkjack— dishonest. -- illegal. do you thinkjack smith _ dishonest. -- illegal. do you thinkjack smith can - dishonest. -- illegal. do you thinkjack smith can succeed i thinkjack smith can succeed where the impeachment did not? i certainly hope that he can succeed. i think he has gotten far more information and his purposeis far more information and his purpose is a bit different. the threshold that he is trying to prove, and he has narrowly articulated what the charges are, and he has been able to gather far are, and he has been able to gatherfar more are, and he has been able to gather far more information than the impeachment was able to gather. we are now almost 3.5 orfour to gather. we are now almost 3.5 or four years to gather. we are now almost 3.5 orfour years on to gather. we are now almost 3.5 or four years on from that time and we know a lot more about the overall scheme than

we did when the impeachment occurred. let's get some more analysis. robert costa is a correspondent with cbs news. hejoined me earlier. with me here in the studio is robert kostyuk, chief election and campaign correspondent for cbs news. great to have you with us, bob. —— costa. we are on uncharted territory i think it's fair to say and also we have been here before in the past few months when it comes to donald trump so talk to us about what you are hearing today from the trump campaign? inside the trump campaign today there is defiance and inside his legal team there will be a push to delay this trial, the special counseljack smith has wanted to get this moving after the indictment of trump and he now wants to make sure this is moving at a speedy clip as the campaign season heats up. there's going to be a delay strategy from from's lawyers untold from sources close to the legal team as they make the argument to thejudge the legal team as they make the argument to the judge in the coming days that because trump

faces a trial looming in new york over hush money payments, he faces the classified documents case in florida and now in addition the january six case and potentially another case and potentially another case in georgia that they need time to go through what is called the discovery period where they look over all of the documents. where they look over all of the documente— where they look over all of the documents. while that goes on, of course. _ documents. while that goes on, of course. the — documents. while that goes on, of course, the special _ documents. while that goes on, of course, the special counsel i of course, the special counsel is investigating, jack smith's investigation continues and we know that there are six co—conspirators. they have not yet been charged but among them are believed to be rudy giuliani to tell us more about what we know about the co—conspirators. what we know about the co-conspirators.- what we know about the co-conspirators. just because the are co-conspirators. just because they are co-conspirators - co-conspirators. just because they are co-conspirators who | they are co—conspirators who are not indicted in this indictment for trump doesn't mean they are not going to be indicted down the line. next on our conversations with sources close to this investigation the special counsel continues to investigate trump and his associates as he moves forward with the possible trial of the former president. in that process, the special counsel is collecting more interviews with people about what rudy giuliani was doing about the scenes in the post—election period,

pushing to have an ultimate elector scheme play out. in essence, giuliani and his aides wanted states to send new slates of electors to congress so that trump could stay in the white house.— white house. and 'ust talk to us more about _ white house. and just talk to us more about that _ white house. and just talk to us more about that potential| us more about that potential timeline, from your reporting, bob. you are pointing out it is likely that trump's legal team will essentially try to play for time. what's your sense? do you think this trial will come to pass before the 2024 election?— to pass before the 2024 election? . ., , to pass before the 2024 election? , election? special counseljack smith has _ election? special counseljack smith has made _ election? special counseljack smith has made it _ election? special counseljack smith has made it evident - election? special counseljackl smith has made it evident that he is moving in an aggressive way. the trial will likely take place next year. but delays of different, for different reasons could happen and new information could come to light. like meadows, transformer chief of staff, is not mentioned in any explicit way in the indictment but he is seen to be a key witness in the investigation and we may see more information emerge about people who are cooperating with the government as they make the case —— mark meadows. imagine

the 2024 presidential campaign and a new intriguing element is former vice president mike pence, transformer vice president, is now emerging as a crucial witness in this investigation are also running against trump for the republican nomination and today cbs news spoke to marc short, hence's long—time adviser and former chief of staff, and he says he has turned over contemporaneous notes to the special counsel and took gilis notes, pence did, at the time in vice president so that will give the special counsel a vivid window into what was happening behind the scenes before and afterjanuary six. so, how do you think that donald trump will handle all of this, including what will likely be a wide—ranging, large legal timetable will also adding into the primary is? he believes adding into the primary is? he: believes based on conversations with his friends and allies today that the republican voter across the country is going to stick with him, despite all of the legal challenges he is facing. many of his rivals hope that the upcoming republican

presidential debate that he shows up and they can take him on face about his elect ability is all of this plays out in the courts but trump's behind the scenes today on his plane, in the motorcade going over to the courthouse, he was calm and inside the courtroom when he was asked to his name he said donald trump, donaldj trump, and they asked what is your age and they asked what is your age and he said 7—7 in kind of a throwaway line. he did not even say he was 77 years old. for those who know him well, they say that's trump's very subtle, for a person who is not that subtle, way ofjust trying to signal that he's not taking this too seriously. and that confidence is buoyed by the polling which shows him still the frontrunner. d0 polling which shows him still the frontrunner.— polling which shows him still the frontrunner. do you think there is any _ the frontrunner. do you think there is any sense _ the frontrunner. do you think there is any sense that - the frontrunner. do you think there is any sense that that l there is any sense that that could potentially peel away? king at the legal fees he has racked up during this, some $40 million so far, much of it coming from his campaign pod. is that sustainable? is that legal?

is that sustainable? is that le . al? ., , , is that sustainable? is that leual? , .,, legal? it may be raising some questions _ legal? it may be raising some questions about _ legal? it may be raising some questions about the _ legal? it may be raising some questions about the legality, | questions about the legality, the political action committee have that they are allowed to spend money on legal fees but they have spent more than $40 million on legal fees through trump's political action committee and at this point trump campaign and his lieutenancy inside of it leave that florida governor ron desantis and former governor —— former vice president pence and the other rivals running for the other rivals running for the nomination are not serious competition, at least at this point. what some trump donors and allies are watching for behind the scenes is whether someone else jumps into the race, virginia governor glenn youngkin is being encouraged by some donors to think about getting in favour of the wall street community and the business leaders in the country. although georgia governor brian kemp stood up to trump in the post—election period in 2020 —— glenn youngkin. he is hearing whispers from allies and donors but maybe what he should jump into the race. usually a late entry into a presidential race is very complicated because you have the logistics and all of the machinations of the

campaign come together quickly but we are in uncertain times and it is certainly something that remains on the radar for those at the top of the republican party. those at the top of the reublican pa . ~ ., _, , republican party. what comes next than for _ republican party. what comes next than for donald _ republican party. what comes next than for donald trump? i republican party. what comes i next than for donald trump? he is meant to be on the campaign trail soon. where does he go from here?— trail soon. where does he go from here? ., _, ., from here? you will continue to travel to iowa _ from here? you will continue to travel to iowa where _ from here? you will continue to travel to iowa where he - from here? you will continue to travel to iowa where he faces i travel to iowa where he faces stiff competition for the support of religious voters in that state ahead of next year's caucuses and will keep going to new hampshire and south carolina, subsequent contest in a republican primary. he has to make a decision in late august, does he go to milwaukee, wisconsin to appear at the republican presidential debate? some of his rivals like chris christie have been baiting him to come, saying if you don't it shows weakness. some of his allies tell me he may still show up, even though he continues to say he will not. one sign that he may do it, he 0ne sign that he may do it, he had dinner the other day with fox news executives who are hosting the debate. they are trying to get him to come. in part because they would like to see the frontrunner there and they believe he could bring an

audience along.— audience along. fascinating insi . hts audience along. fascinating insights and _ audience along. fascinating insights and reporting - audience along. fascinating insights and reporting from| insights and reporting from robert costa, collection and campaign correspondent for cbs news. great to talk to you, bob. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. bbc news. bringing you different stories from across the uk. every morning income went, for over a year now the speed limit through the village has been 20 mph. today police were out to check and still found some who are going to fast and pulled them over. i are going to fast and pulled them over-— them over. i find it difficult to do 20 — them over. i find it difficult to do 20 miles _ them over. i find it difficult to do 20 miles an - them over. i find it difficult to do 20 miles an hour. - them over. i find it difficult to do 20 miles an hour. i. them over. i find it difficult i to do 20 miles an hour. i am normally doing 23.— to do 20 miles an hour. i am normally doing 23. 3c}! gwent normally doing 23. 30! gwent police check the speed for 194 motorists during a two—hour period and found 16 were going to fast with one going 34 mph. today they did not have to pay a fine but could watch a safety presentation out of the way the police are trying to get the

message across. 30 police are trying to get the message across.— police are trying to get the message across. 30 miles an hour you _ message across. 30 miles an hour you have _ message across. 30 miles an hour you have a _ message across. 30 miles an hour you have a 5596 - message across. 30 miles an hour you have a 55% chance i message across. 30 miles an| hour you have a 55% chance of surviving the vehicle collision but at 20, you have a 95% chance. but at 20, you have a 95% chance-— but at 20, you have a 95% chance. ., , ., , chance. the fact that people were still — chance. the fact that people were still speeding - chance. the fact that people were still speeding is - chance. the fact that people were still speeding is not. chance. the fact that people were still speeding is not a i were still speeding is not a surprise to many here. for more stories from _ surprise to many here. for more stories from across _ surprise to many here. for more stories from across the - surprise to many here. for more stories from across the uk, - stories from across the uk, head to the bbc news website. you're live with bbc news. former president is facing multiple legal battles. in the state of georgia, fani willis has signalled that she will bring indictments against trump this month over his alleged efforts to overturn the 2020 election trump will appear in court in october, that's when new york attorney general�*s civil fraud trial starts. then, onjanuary 15th, trump's second defamation trial brought by writer e jean carroll begins. later that month, trump, his company and three of his children face a trial

accusing them of luring people to invest in sham business opportunities. in march, new york's criminal case against trump forfalsifying business records as a part of hush money payments to stormy daniels will begin. and finally, two months later, trump's federal classified documents trial is set to start, less than 200 days before the election. in the court room earlier, former president trump was told not to communicate about the facts of the case by thejudge. she warned him that failure to comply could result in an arrest warrant, revoked release conditions and contempt of court charges. earlier my colleague sumi somaskanda spoke to democratic congressmanjamie raskin about the pending trial. your thoughts on what you witnessed. it isa it is a tremendous vindication of the rule of law in american

democracy that we start off with the principle that no—one is above the law and people cannot get away with crimes and then use their fame or celebrity orformer then use their fame or celebrity or former public office in order to nullify prosecution. donald trump famously said he could shoot someone on fifth ave and it would make no difference to his supporters. that has proven to be a fairly accurate prophecy for supporters but it is not true of the american system of justice. you cannot get away with that this because you think that you exercise some kind of dictate tory law autocratic spell over the masses. i autocratic spell over the masses-— autocratic spell over the masses. ., ., ., , ., autocratic spell over the masses. ., ., ., ., masses. i want to ask you about the indictment _ masses. i want to ask you about the indictment because - masses. i want to ask you about the indictment because it - the indictment because it claims donald trump not only lied about losing the election but he knew he did and together with his lawyers launched a to overturn the results. are you convinced that the president did indeed know he lost the election? i did indeed know he lost the election?— did indeed know he lost the election? . ., election? i was convinced of that through _ election? i was convinced of that through the _ election? i was convinced of

that through the january - election? i was convinced of that through the january 6 l that through the january 6 committee investigation when a number of witnesses told us things like donald trump saying can you believe i lost to this guy and expressing frustration and exasperation about what had happened and, you know, he was told by the attorney general of the united states who was a loyal sycopha nt as the united states who was a loyal sycophant as he ever had that he had lost the election and that the claims that he was swallowing and repeating were bs, i am cleaning that up for television. he was told by white house counsel that there was nothing there members and he clearly had every reason to understand that he had lost the election. yet he was still looking for a way to have some sort of preservation of power even againstjoe biden's victory of more than 7 million votes. and a margin that trump

had declared a landslide when he won by the exact same number in the electoral college against hillary clinton in 2016. he was perfectly aware. evenif 2016. he was perfectly aware. even if he believed that he had won the election and, remember, he lost 60 federal and state court cases rejecting claims of fraud but even if you believe that it still would not have justified him trying to overflow this makeover through the electoral process and deprive us of a fairy election. the former vice president provided testimony and your committee was unable to speak with him. do you think it will be a key witness if this goes to trial? it be a key witness if this goes to trial? . , , ., , to trial? it appears so. there were certain _ to trial? it appears so. there were certain things _ to trial? it appears so. there were certain things i - to trial? it appears so. there were certain things i noticed | were certain things i noticed in the indictment that were not part of the january 6 report such as donald trump saying to mike pence that he was too honest. there was a

conversation between both of them so that must have come from mike pence or contemporaneous notes he took. there are certain things that only solidify our understanding of donald trump trying to coerce mike pence into stepping outside of his constitutional role and presiding in ministerialfashion role and presiding in ministerial fashion over the joint session of congress to engage in a peaceful transfer of power and simply appoint donald trump president declaring him president and nullifying the electoral couege nullifying the electoral college vote from millions of people in arizona, pennsylvania, georgia, wisconsin and so on. they basically wanted pence to vaporise the election and when he wouldn't do it they turned the rath of the insurrection rioters against him. we heard them chanting hang mike pence. where did they get the idea to attack donald trump �*s own vice

president? irate attack donald trump 's own vice president?— attack donald trump 's own vice president? ~ . , ., , president? we are seeing images ofthe president? we are seeing images of the former _ president? we are seeing images of the former president _ of the former president arriving back in newjersey. the vice president, his defence is the former president was listening to bad legal advice. do you think the special counsel office should have charged the co—conspirators named in the indictment? i5 charged the co—conspirators named in the indictment? is a ruestion named in the indictment? is a question for — named in the indictment? is a question for the _ named in the indictment? i3 —. question for the prosecutor to decide if and when to charge them. you could be charged at a later point, of course. and, look, when you go to law school you learn a series of defences you learn a series of defences you can have against any particular crime. if you are charged with assault you can allege self defence or you can assert an alibi that you were not there. but nobody has ever taught in defence that your lawyers told you you could do it. that would be a mistake of law defence, that somehow you understood it to be legal to assault someone and one of the first things we learn in criminal law is that that is no excuse. even if he went out and

found the 100 west lawyers in america to tell him what he wanted to do was ok it would make no difference if it was actually against the law and certainly it was.— actually against the law and certainly it was. what about another defence _ certainly it was. what about another defence strategy i certainly it was. what about i another defence strategy that we have seen from the former president, seen their pointing to the first amendment, that he can say underlay about the 2020 election because he is protected by free speech. what do you make of that? he protected by free speech. what do you make of that?— do you make of that? he had a riaht to do you make of that? he had a right to lie _ do you make of that? he had a right to lie about _ do you make of that? he had a right to lie about the _ do you make of that? he had a right to lie about the election i right to lie about the election and he exercise that right profusely and light all over the country. there was a point at which he entered into a conspiracy to interfere with thejoint session of conspiracy to interfere with the joint session of congress to disrupt thejoint the joint session of congress to disrupt the joint session of congress, which he did and of course we were driven out by the mob for several hours. he could say we think that 60 federal state courts are wrong in rejecting our claims of corruption, fine. he could call thejudges democratic corruption, fine. he could call the judges democratic shysters or whatever he wanted to, he

could make anything up but when he decided to actually establish counterfeit electors and engaging conspiracy to pull out these counterfeit electors to try and substitute for the actual electoral process, that moves from free speech where you can say anything to actual criminal conduct and that is what is governed by law. so the distinction between what is free speech and what is conduct is essential to understanding this case. grossman, do you thinkjack smith can prove that in court? —— congressmen? that in court? -- congressmen? that is what we're — in court? -- congressmen? that is what we're going _ in court? -- congressmen? that is what we're going to _ in court? —— congressmen? that is what we're going to see. in court? -- congressmen? that is what we're going to see. but i is what we're going to see. but the evidence _ is what we're going to see. iei,ii the evidence certainly appears overwhelming from what saw on the january 6 committee and from what has been alleged in the indictment. there are tons of witnesses and they are overwhelmingly republican. members of the administration, republican secretaries of state

like brad reference berger who was famously told by donald trump to just find some votes. i'm sorry to even have to put it in these terms it is what we have been reduced to as a country under donald trump. not enough to say the secretary of state of georgia reported this and in fact recorded it so donald trump is on tape, you have to say, you know, this republican secretary of state who supported donald trump and gave him money even thought it was ridiculous and said there was ridiculous and said there was no way he was going to violate his oath like that. so at some point we will be able to claw ourselves out of the vicious partisanship that donald trump has injected into our country did in the meantime it is overwhelming the republicans who are pointing the finger at donald trump for all these crimes. that the finger at donald trump for all these crimes.— all these crimes. at the same time we saw _ all these crimes. at the same time we saw the _ all these crimes. at the same time we saw the former- time we saw the former president's poll numbers rise on the back of these indictments. his fundraising has gone up off the back of the indictment and he put out a

statement on truth social before the arraignment saying it is a great honour because i have been arrested for you, speaking to his supporters. what do you make of the support is been able to garner from these indictments? it is been able to garner from these indictments?- is been able to garner from these indictments? it is a sad thin to these indictments? it is a sad thing to see _ these indictments? it is a sad thing to see abraham - these indictments? it is a sad| thing to see abraham lincoln's party reduced to and on—site rotarian cult of personality. lincoln's party was in and i slavery pre— freedom and high pro— immigrant —— and i know nothing pro— immigrant party that has been reduced to conspiracy theories and hatreds against different groups in the country and donald trump exercises autocratic power over that party. that is a sad thing. but the vast majority of australians rejected, remember, joe biden defeated donald trump ijy joe biden defeated donald trump by 7 million votes and all that has happened in the intervening years is 20 million plus new

voters, young people have entered the franchise and these are people with no interest in the ant i choice climate the nihilism election denying realism of today's gop. aha, nihilism election denying realism of today's gop. a final question- _ realism of today's gop. a final question. how _ realism of today's gop. a final question. how do _ realism of today's gop. a final question. how do you - realism of today's gop. a final question. how do you think . realism of today's gop. a final| question. how do you think the rest of the world is watching today, seeing the former president indicted now for the third time? i president indicted now for the third time?— third time? i don't know. you would be _ third time? i don't know. you would be a — third time? i don't know. you would be a better— third time? i don't know. you would be a betterjudge - third time? i don't know. you would be a betterjudge of. third time? i don't know. you. would be a betterjudge of that than me. i hope that people will see it as a vindication of the american system ofjustice, that we do not say that because someone wants held power as president or vice president or a member of congress or governor that they can commit any crime they want. people understand how absurd that is if you are talking about murder or rape. no less absurd when you're talking about trying to overthrow an election or trying to interfere with a federal proceeding or trying to defraud the american people. those

things are all crimes and you do not get any sort of exception to itjust because you once held public office. we will leave it _ you once held public office. we will leave it there. thank you forjoining us, it is great to have your perspective. thank ou. stay with us here on bbc news. hello there. thursday was a relatively quiet day for many of us. in fact, we had some sunny spells and a little bit of warmth coming through. cambridge was the top spot with 23 celsius by the middle of the afternoon. not all of us had beautiful blue, sunny skies. in fact, the cloud, the shower cloud gathered across whitley bay by the end of the afternoon. and some of those showers intense, with rumbles of thunder and lightning mixed in there. so, a similar story as we go into friday. still got this north—westerly flow. that's going to be driving some fair weather cloud around. and through parts of the afternoon, we will start to see a cluster of sharp

showers, particularly down through eastern england. a few isolated showers for scotland and northern ireland, the best of the sunshine in sheltered western areas. but temperatures will be a little bit disappointing because of that north—westerly wind direction — 15 to 20 degrees the overall high, 68 fahrenheit. now, as we move out of friday into the start of the weekend, once again, it's going to be the fourth weekend in a row that we've seen an area of low pressure moving in off the atlantic and bringing some unseasonably wet and windy weather for this time of year. so heavy rain during the early hours of saturday morning across northern ireland. it will gradually push its way steadily eastwards. and as the low moves east, while the winds will be gusting across wales and south west england 50, possibly 60 miles an hour, and that could have an implication certainly for those camping, but some rough seas as well. also, that rain will clear its way steadily east, and then behind, its going to be a cool and disappointing day for many — only 14 to 17 degrees at the very best. so after a pretty wetjuly, looks likely that we're going to see more significant rain as we move into the next few days for the early half of august, darker blues denoting anywhere where we could potentially see another inch or two of rain.

hello there. and as we move from sunday into the early part of next week, it looks likely that that unsettled theme is set to continue. however, from wednesday onwards, it looks likely that an area of high pressure will build, and we haven't seen this for quite some time. just how long the high pressure is going to stay with us is still subject to question. perhaps it might ease away after just a few days, but there is a glimmer of hope that we will see some blue sky and sunshine and it will feel warmer.

voice-over: this is bbc news. we'll have the headlines and all the main news stories for you at the top of the hour, straight after this programme. welcome to hardtalk. i'm stephen sackur. how grave is the risk of pakistan spiralling into political and security chaos? terror attacks continue to impose a heavy toll whilst the nation braces for a potentially destabilising election season. and at the heart of the political turbulence, my guest today, former prime minister imran khan, currently facing close to 200

charges which threaten his pti party's ability to mount an electoral challenge. has pakistan's populist political star been outmanoeuvred by the generals who once backed him? imran khan, in lahore, pakistan, welcome to hardtalk. from the outside, mr khan, it looks as though a legal noose is tightening around your neck. does it feel that way to you?