live from washington, this is bbc news. donald trump arraigned in his third indictment. how will the former us president's growing legal cases impact his 2024 campaign to return to the white house? i'm helena humphrey. good to have you with us. this week, the united states has found itself once again in unprecedented territory. never before has a sitting orformer president been indicted on federal criminal charges and yet, donald trump has now been arraigned three times in four months and on thursday, right here in washington, dc, mr trump faced arguably the most serious charges levelled against him

yet, centred on his efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election. all of this comes as the former president runs in the hope of becoming the next president, courting the republican party nomination while facing mounting legal concerns. so, let's take a look at the latest charges filed against him yesterday. this time, he was accused of four counts, including conspiracy to defraud the united states, tampering with a witness and conspiracy against the rights of citizens. during a brief arraignment in the nation's capital yesterday, mr trump's lawyer entered a plea of not guilty on his behalf. he later slammed the usjustice department while speaking to the press. when you look at what has happened, this is a persecution of a political opponent. happened, this is a persecution of a political opponent. this was never supposed to happen in america. this is the persecution of the person that is leading by very, very substantial numbers in the

republican primary and leading biden by a lot, so if you can't beat him, you persecute him or you prosecute him. we can't let this happen in america. thank you very much. the bbc was inside the courthouse watching the proceedings unfold. 0ur reporter bernd debusmann described the former president's demeanour in front of the judge. well, he was very calm and very quiet. he did not say much, he just responded very quickly to westerns when they were answered and gave his name and when he was asked his age he said seven, seven in his words. but even with the possible penalties and indictment read out, very little visible on his face and he spent most of the time with his hands in front of him hunched over the table. he seemed to not be reacting much but listening but not reacting visibly in any way that showed any emotion. visibly in any way that showed any emotion-— visibly in any way that showed any emotion. can you describe for us the _ any emotion. can you describe for us the moments _ any emotion. can you describe for us the moments when - any emotion. can you describe for us the moments when the | for us the moments when the former president entered his plea? he former president entered his lea? , ., ., , ., former president entered his lea? , , ., ., ., plea? he stood up and got to the front _ plea? he stood up and got to the front of _ plea? he stood up and got to

the front of the _ plea? he stood up and got to the front of the room - plea? he stood up and got to the front of the room and - plea? he stood up and got to the front of the room and he| the front of the room and he kind of mouth the words not guilty as his lawyer entered the plea on his behalf but again, not much reaction and he did not seem at all worried or irritated in any way, just very direct. i think he must�*ve prepared for this moment well of time. you could tell it was very procedural for of time. you could tell it was very proceduralfor him of time. you could tell it was very procedural for him as well. following mr trump's historic third indictment and arraignment, we spoke with three members of the house january sixth committee, which investigated the events leading up to the attack on the us capitol. i spoke with democratic congresswoman zoe lofgren of california and began by asking for her reaction to the developments. it's always a shock when you see a former president arrested and charged with four felonies. 0n the other hand, when you this date was coming from the indictment and, of course, is a member of the january six committee, we've known for some time that he engaged in a pattern of conduct that was

criminal and designed to overthrow the constitution and the election in order to keep power, so it was a mix of sadness, determination and, i guess, in a sense, ratification that in america, no person is above the law.— that in america, no person is above the law. special counsel jack smith _ above the law. special counsel jack smith has _ above the law. special counsel jack smith has notes _ above the law. special counsel jack smith has notes from - jack smith has notes from former president mike pence which were taken in real—time and of course, we know that never actually sat down with the january six committee but what kind of information do you think thatjack smith is now in possession of because of those notes? ~ ., ~' notes? well, i would think substantial _ notes? well, i would think substantial information. i notes? well, i would think. substantial information. for example, one of the things he resided in the indictment was the ex—president trying to talk pence into throwing the votes out. he said, "you're too

honest". that's told me a lot. number one, the trump was dishonest and was failing in getting his vice president to join him in that dishonesty. you know, there was a lot of interaction between the then president and his vice president and his vice president where the was trying to bully the vice president into violating his oath of office and violating the electoral count act and i think the verbatim or word for word discussions will be important evidence for this trial. donald trump legal _ evidence for this trial. donald trump legal team _ evidence for this trial. donald trump legal team will- evidence for this trial. donald trump legal team will say - evidence for this trial. donald | trump legal team will say that this is about his first amendment rights. what's your reaction to that? well, clearly, it's not.- reaction to that? well, clearly, it's not. as the indictment _ clearly, it's not. as the indictment itself - clearly, it's not. as the i indictment itself resided, clearly, it's not. as the - indictment itself resided, you can say whatever you want, even if it is lies. but when that

turns into action, then you run into criminal conduct. it's like saying you can say whatever you want so if you walk into a bank and say i've got a gun, give me all your money, that's protected by the first amendment. i think not. what do you think, ultimately, this means for the united states in the years to come? well, i don't have a crystal ball but i do think it is — there are fundamentals here. fundamentals since the first president george washington is that when the election is taken, the incumbent abides by the results. george washington left after two terms. i remember reading at the library of congress a letter that president lincoln had written to his cabinet when he believed he was going to lose the election in the middle of the civil war and his words were," a matter how dire we think this will be, we will live with the

will be, we will live with the will of the voters". mr trump is the first ever in american history to try and hold onto power contrary to the electorate. we cannotjust give that a pass. that cannot be allowed all, really, the american experiment with democracy is doomed. and i think to the extent that he has committed crimes and, clearly, i think he has, our american system ofjustice seems at what sees everyone the same. no—one is exempt from complying with the law, including the most elevated people in our society, even the president of the united states, so i hope as time goes by thatjustice will be served and the american public will come to accept that thatis public will come to accept that that is the best that american governments has to offer. democratic congresswoman zoe lofgren, representative from california, thank you so much for being with us. just after mr trump's court appearance, my colleague

sumi somaskanda also spoke with another former member of the january sixth committee, congressmanjamie raskin of maryland. congressman, thank you so much forjoining us. great to have you on bbc news. first of all, the former president arranged today. your thoughts on what you myth witnessed? well, it is a tremendous vindication of the rule of law in american democracy that we start off with the principle that no—one is above the law and people cannot get away with crimes and then use their fame or celebrity or former public office in order to nullify prosecution. donald trump famously said he could shoot someone on fifth ave and it would make no difference to his supporters. that has proven to be a fairly accurate prophecy for supporters but it is not true of the american system of justice. you cannot get away with that this because you think

that you exercise some kind of dictactiry or autocratic spell over the masses. i want to ask you about the indictment because it claims donald trump not only lied about losing the election but he knew he did and, together with his lawyers, launched a conspiracy to overturn the results. are you convinced that the president did indeed know he lost the election? well, i was convinced of that through the january 6 elect —— select committee investigation when a number of witnesses told us things like donald trump saying, "can you believe i lost to this guy?" and expressing frustration and exasperation about what had happened and, you know, he was told by the attorney general of the united states, who was as loyal sycophant as he ever had, william barr, that he had lost the election and that the claims that he was swallowing and repeating were bs — i am cleaning that up for television. he was told by white house

counsel there was nothing there, members of his family — he clearly had every reason to understand that he had lost the election and yet, he was still looking for a way to torture out some sort of preservation of power even in the election — a margin that trump had declared a landslide when he won by the exact same number in the electoral college against hillary clinton in 2016. so, he was perfectly aware. of course, even if he believed that he had won the election — and, remember, he lost 60 federal and state court cases rejecting claims of fraud — but even if he believed that, it still would not have justified him trying to overflow this makeover through the electoral

process and deprive us of a fair election. the former vice president provided testimony to jack smith's office — your committee was unable to speak with him. do you think it will be a key witness if this goes to trial? well, it appears so. there were certain things that i noticed in the indictment that were not part of the january 6 report, such as donald trump saying to mike pence that he was too honest. that was a conversation between both of them so that must have come from mike pence or contemporaneous notes that he took. so, there are certain things that only solidify our understanding of donald trump trying to coerce mike pence into stepping outside of his constitutional role, presiding in ministerial fashion over the joint session of congress to engage in the peaceful transfer of power and to simply appoint donald trump president, declaring him president and nullifying the electoral college vote

send in from millions of people in arizona, pennsylvania, georgia, wisconsin and so on. they basically wanted pence to vaporise the election and when he wouldn't do it, they turned the wrath of the insurrectionary rioters against him. we heard them chanting, "hang mike pence". where did they get the idea to attack donald trump's own vice president? how do you think the rest of the world is watching today, seeing the former president indicted now for a third time? i don't know, you would be a betterjudge of that i don't know, you would be a better judge of that than i don't know, you would be a betterjudge of that than me. i hope people will see it as a vindication of the american system ofjustice, that we don't say that because someone once held a public office as president or vice president or member of congress or governor that they can commit any crime that they can commit any crime that they can commit any crime that they want. people understand how absurd that is if you're talking about a murder or rape. it is no less absurd when you're talking

about trying to overthrow an election or trying to interfere with a federal proceeding or trying to defraud the american people. those things are all crimes and you don't get any sort of exception to itjust because once held public office. as we mentioned, the former president is facing a raft of other criminal charges. let's break them down. donald trump is now the focus of four major investigations related to his business and political activities at both the federal and state level. so far, mr trump has been indicted in three of those cases, including the federal government's case investigating efforts to overturn the 2020 election and the january sixth attack on the capitol. he has also been indicted — and trial dates have been set — in the federal case investigating his handling of classified material, as well as in the manhattan criminal case related to trump's hush money payments made to former adult film actress stormy daniels during the 2016 presidential campaign.

and an investigation in georgia continues into attempts to reverse trump's loss in 2020, which could lead to a further indictment. at this point, mr trump faces 78 state and federal counts in the three cases in which he has been charged. we spoke with rodney davis, former republican congressman from the state of illinois about what's next for donald trump in the face of those mounting legal challenges. in the end, the lawyers, the strategists, donald trump's family can sit back and devise what they think is the best step—by—step strategy to defend donald trump from all of these allegations, and there is only one person that's going to make that decision on how to proceed, and that's donald trump, and my interactions with president trump were very positive over the time that i served with him, but he is in my opinion the most

undisciplined politician that i have ever had a chance to work with, so he is going to lash out at everyone, that's going to be his strategy. what he thinks should be said is going to be said on truth social or other social media outlets. he is going to say tweeted this, truth of this, and is going to come out on the whole world will read it and report on it, that's why you will not see a codified strategy from anyone in this orbit. is going to be hit or miss based upon what he sees being reported in the media every day about him and his case, and that is very dangerous for him in the criminal case, but we will see what happens. yesterday we had a panel discussion on the developments, and my colleague sumi somaskanda asked it if the indictments helped paint mr trump as a victim. we then saw this exchange between former congresswoman stephanie murphy, and the former communications director in donald trump's

transition team, bryan lanza. the sad thing about this is that these indictments have opened up our legal system to a tax, and thatjust undermines our institutions are. as it is the american people have very little faith in their institutions, but then having faith in our institutions, whether that is voting or law enforcement or congress, its core to a strong democracy, and so all of this partisan bickering hurts us as a nation, and i think our enemies abroad see that as an opportunity, and it's just really an unfortunate situation. it'sjust really an unfortunate situation. , , ., it'sjust really an unfortunate situation-— it'sjust really an unfortunate situation. , ., ., ., situation. just a follow-up on that, what — situation. just a follow-up on that, what do _ situation. just a follow-up on that, what do you _ situation. just a follow-up on that, what do you mean, - situation. just a follow-up on that, what do you mean, do | situation. just a follow-up on i that, what do you mean, do you think that our enemies abroad see that as an opportunity? well, there are those who think that their system of

government, autocracy, socialism, communism, autocratic systems are the ones that are the best, that should prevail in this next, in our future, and as a democracy, when we are attacking our institutions at the very core of what a democracy is which is one vote, your vote matters, we are doing their bidding for them. this are doing their bidding for them. �* , ., are doing their bidding for them. �* , . ., ., “ are doing their bidding for them. �* , ., ., them. as we are looking at these images _ them. as we are looking at these images of _ them. as we are looking at these images of the - them. as we are looking at| these images of the former president's convoy? i these images of the former president's convoy?- president's convoy? i think nothina president's convoy? i think nothing is _ president's convoy? i think nothing is more _ president's convoy? i think nothing is more corrosive i president's convoy? i think. nothing is more corrosive that our democracy than candidates running — our democracy than candidates running for elective office who are active _ running for elective office who are active members of the communist and socialist party, so the — communist and socialist party, so the assault our democracy are coming from within our democratic system but also coming _ democratic system but also coming from outside our democratic system and rsm 's l00k— democratic system and rsm '5 look at — democratic system and rsm '5 look at the aoc and see a useful_ look at the aoc and see a useful fall to help divide this country— useful fall to help divide this

country and a look at president trump — country and a look at president trump and _ country and a look at president trump and they see a way of espousing this division and highlighting the fact that this view— highlighting the fact that this view of— highlighting the fact that this view of democracy and capitalism is not necessarily what — capitalism is not necessarily what they think is the best path — what they think is the best path forward but what they have not complaint —— painted a picture _ not complaint —— painted a picture is _ not complaint —— painted a picture is the alternative of authoritarianism, and that's a debate — authoritarianism, and that's a debate that this country needs to have — debate that this country needs to have in _ debate that this country needs to have in respect to the far left — to have in respect to the far left base _ to have in respect to the far left base of the democratic party — left base of the democratic party who are in office today, and _ party who are in office today, and that _ party who are in office today, and that does more to hurt our democracy, those people challenging our system, disrupting the roots of our democracy to push their agenda. president — democracy to push their agenda. president trump can be accused of weakening this to their own actions — of weakening this to their own actions but it's a dual effort, it's both _ actions but it's a dual effort, it's both sides.— it's both sides. the very picture _ it's both sides. the very picture of _ it's both sides. the very i picture of authoritarianism it's both sides. the very - picture of authoritarianism is to refuse to leave office and have a peaceful transfer of power and that is what is at the core of this indictment, that the former president violated the fundamental obligation of the occupant of

the oval office and indeed any american that puts country before party or person and to proceed and participate in a peaceful transfer of power, so everyone to talk about authoritarianism, that's exactly the point. so, this is what the former president's next few weeks looks like. mr trump is still hitting the campaign trail despite his legal troubles. he spoke to a packed house of more than 2,000 people in alabama today. he will not be attending his superseding arraignment in the classified documents case next week after waiving his right to be present. and he's still waiting to hear back from the fulton county district attorney in georgia where he could be handed another indictment. that case includes charges of voter and election fraud. and finally on august 28th the ex—president is due back in court for a case hearing in washington.

now donald trump's august 28 court date is just five days after he is expected tojoin his republican rivals on the debate stage for the first time. if we take a look at political polling, the former president still leads the 2024 republican presidential primary field. according to the latest new york times sienna poll, 54% of republican primary voters back trump, followed by i7% who support florida governor ron desantis and former vice president mike pence, and former ambassador nikki haley are both tied at 3% each. 71% of republican voters believe the former president has not committed any serious federal crimes, and 56% say mr trump did not do anything wrong in his handling of classified materials. earlier i spoke with bob costa, cbs news chief election and campaign correspondent about the political implications of trump's latest indictment and whether the trial could take place before the 2024 election.

. the trial will likely take place next year but delays of different reasons could happen, and new information could come too light a. mark meadows, the former tribal chief of staff is not mentioned in any explicit way in the indictment but he is seen to be a key witness in this investigation, we may see more information emerge about people who are cooperating with the government as they make this case and you mention the 2024 presidential campaign, and a new intriguing element is the former vice president mike pence, is now emerging as a crucial witness in this investigation while also running against rob for the republican nomination and today cbs news and spoke with mark shaw, michael p's long—time adviser at former chief of staff and he says peds has turned over contemporaneous notes to the special council and took these notes during his time as vice president, giving

the special council a vivid window into what is happening behind the scenes. haifa window into what is happening behind the scenes.— window into what is happening behind the scenes. how do you think donald _ behind the scenes. how do you think donald trump _ behind the scenes. how do you think donald trump will- behind the scenes. how do you think donald trump will handle j think donald trump will handle all of this including what will likely be a wide ranging large legal timetable while also heading into the primary is? he: believes based on conversations with his friends and allies that the republican voters across the country will stick with him despite all of the legal challenges he is facing. many of his rivals who were at the upcoming presidential debate will take about fa ce—to —fa ce debate will take about face—to—face about his likability as all of this out of the court, but trump, behind—the—scenes today on his plane in the motorcade going over to the courthouse was calm and inside the courtroom when he was asked for his name he said donald trump, donaldj trump and they asked what is your age and said 7/7, encoder a throwaway load, didn't even say he was 77 years old, he said 77, and for those who know

him well, that is trouble's very subtle way of signalling that he is not taking this too seriously and that confidence is buoyed by the polling which shows him still the front runner. ., ~ shows him still the front runner-— shows him still the front runner. ., ~ , ., , runner. you think there is any said that _ runner. you think there is any said that that _ runner. you think there is any said that that could _ runner. you think there is any said that that could peel- runner. you think there is any l said that that could peel away? if you take a look at the legal fees he has racked up, much of thatis fees he has racked up, much of that is coming from his campaign part of. is that sustainable? is that legal? it maybe raising questions about the legality, the political action committee said they are allowed to spend money on legal fees but they have spent more than $40 million on legal fees, and at this point trump's campaign and heazlett attendants believe that florida governor rod desantis, former vice president mike pence as a whole other array of rivals running for the nomination are not serious competition, at least at this point. what some trump donors are watching for

behind—the—scenes is whether someone else stops in the race, someone else stops in the race, some donors are being encouraged to get in. he is a favourite of the wall street community, and the business leaders, orthe community, and the business leaders, or the georgia governor brian kemp, who stood up governor brian kemp, who stood up to troubles in the post—election period of 2020, he is hearing whispers from allies and donors but maybe what he should jump into the race. usually a late entry into a presidential race is very complicated because you have to have the logistics and all the machinations come together quickly but we are in uncertain times and it's certainly something that remains on the radarfor something that remains on the radar for those at the top of the republican party.- the republican party. what comes next _ the republican party. what comes next for _ the republican party. what comes next for donald - the republican party. what - comes next for donald trump? the republican party. what comes next for donald trump? he is supposed to be of the campaign trail soon, where does he go from here? he campaign trail soon, where does he go from here?— he go from here? he will continue _ he go from here? he will continue to _ he go from here? he will continue to travel- he go from here? he will continue to travel to - he go from here? he will| continue to travel to iowa where he will continue to travel to that state, he will continue to travel to south carolina and he has to make a

decision in late august, does he go to milwaukee wisconsin to appear at the republican presidential debate? some of his rivals like the former governor chris christie have been beating him to come, saying if he doesn't chose weakness, and some of trumpallies derby that he might show up although he says he won't. he had dinner the other day with fox news executives who are hosting the debate, they are trying to get him to come in part because they would like to see the front runner there and they also believed he could bring an audience along. fascinating and reporting that from robert koster, the campaign corresponded by cbs news. now before we go, let's bring you these live pictures. former president donald trump is addressing the alabama republican party. he's so far had a warm reception at the summer dinner in montgomery, the state's capital. mrtrump won alabama by landslides in 2016 and 2020 and all six republicans the state sends to the house of representatives in

washington endorsed his reelection bid ahead of the evening engagement. stay with us here on bbc news. hello there. weather across the uk has certainly been testing our patience of late. we are heading for the fourth consecutive weekend where an area of low pressure will dominate the weather story, bringing us some wet and windy weather. but every cloud has a silver lining. and next weekend, i can offer you something a little more promising, settled and summer—like. but at the moment, it's all about storm anthony, which is moving its way across northern ireland, bringing a heavy spell of rain during the early hours of saturday morning. and as that rain continues to drive its way steadily eastwards, the winds will strengthen as well. so we're widely likely to see 20 to 40 millimetres, maybe more for northern ireland for a time. and then the winds gusting 50 to 65 miles an hour along west—facing coasts of wales and south west england.

very unusual, really, for this time of year. the rain drives its way quickly eastwards, and then into the afternoon, circulating around that low, we will see a rash of sharp, possibly thundery downpours. slowly improving into northern ireland and lighter winds and fewer showers likely for scotland. but the temperatures will be disappointing right across the country, a maximum of just 14 to 18 celsius by the middle part of the afternoon. the low pressure will gradually move away and the winds �*s will die down. so as we push into sunday, it might be a pleasant start, with some early morning sunshine, particularly in eastern areas, lighter winds. and as we go through the day, we will see a scattering of showers developing out to the west, and some of these will gradually move further inland. but with a little more sunshine coming through, it will be a degree or so warmer. top temperatures of 20 degrees, 68 fahrenheit. not that much change monday into tuesday. showers or longer spells of rains likely, particularly on tuesday.

another spell of wet weather to come. but we can offer you a glimpse of something more optimistic by the middle part of next week. an area of high pressure is likely to build, and we haven't seen this for quite some time. so from wednesday onwards, we are likely to see some drier, settled and more summer—like weather. there's still an uncertainty how long it's likely to last, but for next week, showers or longer spells of rain to begin with. but as the high pressure builds, certainly things will settle down and warm up for many.

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