out that it was time to go, it was almost too late. i told my kids, "you guys run". "don't turn around and look for me." my nine—year—old couldn't. shejust kept telling me, "mum, ican't." "please, mum." and good evening and thank you for joining us. could more people have been saved on the island of maui? hawaii officials confirm the warning system never sounded. authorities are still combing through hundreds of houses as hope for those still missing starts to fade. tonight on the panel, chief leader writer at the observer and former labour adviser sonia sodha, and ron christie, former adviser to president george w bush.

also on the programme — more questions for the government about who was responsible for moving asylum seekers onto the bibby stockholm barge before it had been given the all—clear for legionella. and artificial intelligence has been transforming how we live. but could ai one day be capable of reading our minds? but first, to the ongoing recovery efforts in hawaii. residents say they had no official warning before they fled for their lives, raising difficult questions about the effectiveness of the emergency response and whether more people could have been saved. early warning sirens failed to sound, according to officials, a failure now under investigation by hawaii's attorney general. let's go straight to maui. my colleague, helena humphrey, is there for us. good to see you again. first of all, you have been speaking to officials. tell is the latest you have been hearing there.— tell is the latest you have been hearing there. tell is the latest you have been hearin: there. ., . ., hearing there. hello, we are here on one of the roads _ hearing there. hello, we are here on one of the roads leading _ hearing there. hello, we are here on one of the roads leading to - hearing there. hello, we are here on one of the roads leading to lahaina. | one of the roads leading to lahaina. if you just take a look over in this direction, it is over the hill that

that community lies. that town which has been utterly decimated by those wildfires, and i have been speaking to volunteers here as well, who have been able to gain access to that community. people who have lived on this island, have grown appear, and they say that when they went in, they say that when they went in, they tried to get their bearings, and theyjust couldn't recognise any of the buildings. it was completely unrecognisable, is what they have been telling me. you can also see behind me that this is a checkpoint, a military checkpoint, also being enforced here by the police. that is because they are trying to limit who can get in. right now, only emergency workers and only contractors. but now and again, you do see more people trying to move in, trying to bring aid in if they can. because that need is there, we understand, arejust can. because that need is there, we understand, are just so great. can. because that need is there, we understand, arejust so great. —— because the needs there. so that is what is trying to be enforced there, but when the reasons it is restricted there, it's because there

is very delicate, sensitive operations of recovery continue, coming through the rubble they're trying to find more people lost. we have more winnings from the governor, when he was walking through lahaina, essentially saying that people must prepare for the death toll to rise further. —— we have more warnings. he gave an estimate saying we are expecting to find around 20 bodies per day right now in recovery efforts. so, certainly a significant and mounting death toll, as well, in that latest information from the governor. we have also heard more from fema, saying they are going to be deploying more resources to the islands, and certainly, speaking to people here, growing calls for more aid as well, fema also delivering an update, we believe, around about now, so we will bring you more details on that. but we were also hearing from the early as to the question of whether there will be a visit from president biden himself, in what is now the worst wildfire in a century here in the united states. the message from fema currently is that there is not a timetable on

that there is not a timetable on that yet, and the president wouldn't want to distract from the ongoing recovery operations.— want to distract from the ongoing recovery operations. thank you so much for your— recovery operations. thank you so much for your reporting _ recovery operations. thank you so much for your reporting there. - much for your reporting there. they're in maui for us. let's go right to our panel. it is great to have you both on the context tonight. i would to start with you, ron. we are talking about an incredible disaster here, particularly in the town of lahaina, as we have been mentioning, on the island of maui. can you give us an idea was the federal effort will also have to be here, just to those recovery and rebuilding efforts? good evening to you, it breaks my heart, i wasjust in maui a couple of years ago. i was just in the town of years ago. i was just in the town of lahaina, and it isjust unrecognisable. but for my service in the federal government, i can tell you that the federal emergency management agency, fema, they are going to be ramping up in a rapid way, food, water, supplies, clothing, coordinating with the

american red cross and other charitable organisations to try to get this community, this island back up get this community, this island back up on its feet. but i will tell you this, it will take a lot of time, and it will take billions of dollars. so, the american people, and those around the world is watching this, need to recognise that it watching this, need to recognise thatitis watching this, need to recognise that it is going to be later rather than sooner, before the full force of the american government can come to bear, and to try to stave off this devastating tragedy. i to bear, and to try to stave off this devastating tragedy. i want to brin: ou this devastating tragedy. i want to bring you in. _ this devastating tragedy. i want to bring you in, sonia, _ this devastating tragedy. i want to bring you in, sonia, because - this devastating tragedy. i want to bring you in, sonia, because we i this devastating tragedy. i want to i bring you in, sonia, because we host there their inner reporting that it seems like the alarm systems that were meant to sound didn't. they didn't want people when those fires were starting to move very quickly. we are seeing incredible wildfires here in europe as well, in greece and portugal. i imagine this is something that will have to be addressed here in europe as well. absolutely. when you look at what has been _ absolutely. when you look at what has been happening across southern europe _ has been happening across southern europe in_ has been happening across southern europe in recent weeks, the number of tourists— europe in recent weeks, the number of tourists and local residents who have been—

of tourists and local residents who have been affected by really destructive fires, and we have seen loss of— destructive fires, and we have seen loss of life — destructive fires, and we have seen loss of life in places in the mediterranean europe, and the southern — mediterranean europe, and the southern mediterranean. there are definitely _ southern mediterranean. there are definitely questions to be asked about— definitely questions to be asked about the response, but also, there are deeper— about the response, but also, there are deeperand about the response, but also, there are deeper and longer term questions about— are deeper and longer term questions about the _ are deeper and longer term questions about the climate crisis and the link between the climate crisis and the kinds _ link between the climate crisis and the kinds of devastation we have seen _ the kinds of devastation we have seen and — the kinds of devastation we have seen and the southern mediterranean this summer. lots of experts you speak— this summer. lots of experts you speak to, — this summer. lots of experts you speak to, they say that destructive weether— speak to, they say that destructive weather events like this are going to be _ weather events like this are going to be a _ weather events like this are going to be a more common feature of european — to be a more common feature of european summers going forward, and that is— european summers going forward, and that is going to have huge consequences, because you know, when you see _ consequences, because you know, when you see the _ consequences, because you know, when you see the level of fire we have seen _ you see the level of fire we have seen for— you see the level of fire we have seen for example on some of the greek— seen for example on some of the greek islands, that causes destruction and loss of life in the immediate term, but it also takes these _ immediate term, but it also takes these places a long time to rebuild, after a _ these places a long time to rebuild, after a fire — these places a long time to rebuild, after a fire like this. you see exactly— after a fire like this. you see exactly the same in hawaii, where

even _ exactly the same in hawaii, where even given— exactly the same in hawaii, where even given the death count is that there _ even given the death count is that there is_ even given the death count is that there is already, this is thought to be the _ there is already, this is thought to be the worst buy in over a century in the _ be the worst buy in over a century in the us, — be the worst buy in over a century in the us, so, —— the worst fire. so, _ in the us, so, —— the worst fire. so. we— in the us, so, —— the worst fire. so. we was— in the us, so, —— the worst fire. so, we was that these kind of catastrophic weather events are going _ catastrophic weather events are going to — catastrophic weather events are going to be happening more frequently across the world. coming back to you. — frequently across the world. coming back to you, ron, _ frequently across the world. coming back to you, ron, if _ frequently across the world. coming back to you, ron, if that _ frequently across the world. coming back to you, ron, if that is - back to you, ron, if that is certainly the case, we have seen that there are more wildfires not just in california but in other parts of the country as well, and we have also received in the north is part of the us, the effects of the wildfires in canada. i know this fema, the agency imagine got a lot of criticism for its handling of hurricane katrina in the george w bush administration. —— the agency you mention. do you think this agency is now ready for an increasing amounts of these types of disasters? , , ., , , . disasters? they should be. they have certainly been — disasters? they should be. they have certainly been given _ disasters? they should be. they have certainly been given the _ disasters? they should be. they have certainly been given the resources - certainly been given the resources over the last 20 years to address just this type of situation. the one thing i would caution however, when we look at hawaii and we look at

maui in particular, what we have been hearing here in the states is that this wasn't climate, this was due to sparks that were allegedly caused by the power utility company in maui. so, this wasn't climate change, this wasn't a man—made disaster. this was a foreseeable event, if they had taken the time to look at the power lines, and the other thing that we see here is that a lot of states are very restrictive about the ability to cut back on dead, dying and diseased brush, which left unturned, can of course be a tinderbox for fire. so, we which left unturned, can of course be a tinderbox forfire. so, we need to look at our own policies here in the states, and around the world, to make sure we are doing everything we can to ensure that we don't have a tinderbox that goes up in flames. that is a good point. ron and sonia, stay right there. staying in the us, there's been confusion in georgia today. a court in fulton county

is looking into election interference in the state, and jurors could hand down an indictment against former president donald trump. according to the reuters news agency, a charging document was posted online then quickly removed from the fulton county court's website. shortly afterwards, a spokesperson for the district attorney's office said, "the reuters report that those charges were filed is inaccurate. "beyond that we cannot comment." so, it's still unclear why the charging document was posted online and when we'll have an official update from the court on any potential charges. but the fulton county district attorney, fani willis, is widely expected to ask a grand jury to charge mr trump over efforts to overturn the election results in the state of georgia. mr trump has denied any wrongdoing, calling the investigations politically motivated and a "witch hunt". officials have heightened security in atlanta and erected barricades outside the court. mr trump has already been indicted three times, once in the state of new york and twice more on federal charges. the georgia investigation has been going on for two and a half years.

you might remember this now infamous audio recording of the former president calling brad raffensperger, georgia secretary of state, on january 2nd 2021. take a listen. let's bring the panel back in. i'd like to start with you, because that is a phone call many people have heard in the us, particularly in the january six committee hearings in the house of representatives. of the cases we have seen into the former president, do you think that this in georgia, if it is indeed an indictment, is the strongest? well, if i were indictment, is the strongest? well, if i were the — indictment, is the strongest? well, if i were the former _ indictment, is the strongest? well, if i were the former president - indictment, is the strongest? -ii if i were the former president of the united states, i would be most

concerned about this case in georgia. why? number one, they have the audio. they have him telling the secretary of state in georgia, i need additional votes. number two, is that not intimidation of a state—wide election official, to try to change the outcome of an election? and number three, perhaps most importantly, mr trump knew what he was saying, and knew he had the potential to try to obstruct the legitimate election result in georgia, and yet, he went there anyway. so, for the couple of federal indictment and state indictments, if i were trump, i would think that he is going to be indicted in a matter of days if not weeks, and this one should cause his legal team the most concern. i’d legal team the most concern. i'd like to follow up on that, because the former president doesn't seem at all worried, and he is in fact raise money off of the previous indictment and seems to have gained support in

the polls as well. i and seems to have gained support in the polls as well.— the polls as well. i can only speak to this as a _ the polls as well. i can only speak to this as a lawyer _ the polls as well. i can only speak to this as a lawyer and _ the polls as well. i can only speak to this as a lawyer and not - the polls as well. i can only speak to this as a lawyer and not as - the polls as well. i can only speak to this as a lawyer and not as a i to this as a lawyer and not as a politician. he can raise money and galvanise the base. you can get out to supporters, but as a lawyer and an officer of the courts, i will tell you that looking at the evidence, it looks pretty damning towards the former president of the united states, and i don't think it would be that hard for the district eternity or the state attorney. as mike wrote the district attorney. to hand down and indictment. it is not beyond reasonable doubt, but to the preponderance of evidence, and i don't think thejury preponderance of evidence, and i don't think the jury pool would have any problem of handing down such indictment to take this to trial. sonia, how are people here in the uk leaving the facts of the former president has been indicted three times, possibly now a fourth? weill. times, possibly now a fourth? well, i think 'ust times, possibly now a fourth? well, i thinkjust obeisance _ times, possibly now a fourth? well, i thinkjust obeisance of— i thinkjust obeisance of astonishment that even if the former president— astonishment that even if the former president was not only charged but found _ president was not only charged but found guilty of these crimes, it still doesn't preclude him from

running — still doesn't preclude him from running for president, and indeed, he could _ running for president, and indeed, he could do— running for president, and indeed, he could do so potentially from prison — he could do so potentially from prison. so, ithink he could do so potentially from prison. so, i think that it isjust kind _ prison. so, i think that it isjust kind of— prison. so, i think that it isjust kind of hard _ prison. so, i think that it isjust kind of hard to get your head around ready. _ kind of hard to get your head around ready. the _ kind of hard to get your head around ready, the fact that he faces such serious _ ready, the fact that he faces such serious charges, including around trying _ serious charges, including around trying to— serious charges, including around trying to fix elections, and you know. — trying to fix elections, and you know. is— trying to fix elections, and you know, is the same time, is the leading — know, is the same time, is the leading republican candidate for president in the next general election— president in the next general election in the us. and president in the next general election in the us.— president in the next general election in the us. �* ., election in the us. and ron, coming back to you. — election in the us. and ron, coming back to you. do _ election in the us. and ron, coming back to you, do you _ election in the us. and ron, coming back to you, do you see _ election in the us. and ron, coming back to you, do you see any - back to you, do you see any opportunity for the other candidates to break through here, with a legal challenge is that the former president is facing? i challenge is that the former president is facing?- challenge is that the former president is facing? i think that the opportunity _ president is facing? i think that the opportunity for _ president is facing? i think that the opportunity for the - president is facing? i think that the opportunity for the other i the opportunity for the other candidates in this race will be the election... pardon me, the first republican debate, which are slated to take place in nine days. does trump show up to that? does trump go on that stage with his other leading contenders and allow himself to be assailed and attacked by the facts, and by what he has allegedly done?

my and by what he has allegedly done? my instincts tell me that trump won't show up, but yes, of course, this opens up an opportunity for so many americans, myself included, who say, i am exhausted by this and i had had enough of this. i don't need any more drama, and certainly not more years. sol any more drama, and certainly not more years. so i think that mr trump could very well die the political fate of 1000 wounds from conservatives who are just tired and have had enough of his antics. really interesting points there, run and sonia, stay there, because we will be back with you in just a moment. —— vaughan and sonia. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. let's look at some other stories making news. police say two men who were stabbed in south london on sunday were the victims of a homophobic attack. a man in his 20s and another in his 30s were stabbed outside outside the two brewers nightclub in clapham high street. they have since been discharged from hospital. no arrests have been made.

a five—year—old girl has suffered "significant" facial injuries after being attacked by a dog outside a corner shop. the attack happened in norton, in stockton—on—tees, on saturday evening. cleveland police said the child was taken to hospital for treatment and a dog had been seized. a force spokesman said the owner of the dog remained at the scene after the attack. scotland's biggest teaching union says new recruits are leaving the profession because they are not being offered secure jobs. the educational institute of scotland said many newly qualified staff were only being given short contracts. it urged the scottish government to increase council funding to pay for more permanent jobs. you're watching bbc news. here in the uk, the health secretary says the government took instant action to move asylum seekers from the bibby stockholm barge after legionella bacteria was found last week. steve barclay was questioned over why people were moved

in when officials knew tests were being conducted. he told the bbc no one was harmed. the government plans to house up to 500 people on the vessel docked off the coast of england while they wait for the outcome of their asylum applications. the barge had been billed as a cheaper alternative to hotels. the uk health security agency did not recommend evacuation until thursday night. lets bring in our panel again. i want to start a view, sonia, because, what you think this tells us about the government's plans to curb immigration?— curb immigration? well, i think there is a _ curb immigration? well, i think there is a couple _ curb immigration? well, i think there is a couple of— curb immigration? well, i think there is a couple of things - curb immigration? well, i think there is a couple of things it. curb immigration? well, i think there is a couple of things it is| there is a couple of things it is important _ there is a couple of things it is important to say. first of all, the reasons— important to say. first of all, the reasons why the government were driven— reasons why the government were driven to _ reasons why the government were driven to look for extra accommodation, including this barge, they decided to put asylum seekers on, they decided to put asylum seekers on. its— they decided to put asylum seekers on, it's because of their own policy — on, it's because of their own policy. so. _ on, it's because of their own policy. so, first of all, they have really _ policy. so, first of all, they have really slows down the rate of processing asylum applications. and second _ processing asylum applications. and second of— processing asylum applications. and second of all, for people arriving recently. — second of all, for people arriving recently, they are refusing to

process — recently, they are refusing to process any asylum applications for people _ process any asylum applications for people who arrive in the uk to seek refuge _ people who arrive in the uk to seek refuge through irregular means. and that includes small boats arriving across _ that includes small boats arriving across the — that includes small boats arriving across the channel. that is out of kitter _ across the channel. that is out of kitter with — across the channel. that is out of kilter with international law on refugee — kilter with international law on refugee policy. and it essentially creates— refugee policy. and it essentially creates a — refugee policy. and it essentially creates a whole class of people who arrive _ creates a whole class of people who arrive in _ creates a whole class of people who arrive in the — creates a whole class of people who arrive in the uk who may well have the right— arrive in the uk who may well have the right to — arrive in the uk who may well have the right to claim refuge, and the vast majority of people who apply for asylum in the vast majority of people who apply forasylum in the uk, are granted it, forasylum in the uk, are granted it. because — forasylum in the uk, are granted it, because they are genuinely asytum — it, because they are genuinely asylum seekers fleeing conflict and torture _ asylum seekers fleeing conflict and torture in— asylum seekers fleeing conflict and torture in places like afghanistan and syria — torture in places like afghanistan and syria. but now, people arriving from _ and syria. but now, people arriving from these — and syria. but now, people arriving from these sorts of places are going to be _ from these sorts of places are going to be held _ from these sorts of places are going to be held indefinitely by the british— to be held indefinitely by the british government, and that is going _ british government, and that is going to — british government, and that is going to create a larger and larger number— going to create a larger and larger number of— going to create a larger and larger number of people that need to be kept at _ number of people that need to be kept at the cost of the taxpayer. it is bad _ kept at the cost of the taxpayer. it is bad for— kept at the cost of the taxpayer. it is bad for them, it is bad for the british— is bad for them, it is bad for the british taxpayer, and it is really bad, _ british taxpayer, and it is really bad, because it is britain not

fulfilling _ bad, because it is britain not fulfilling its moral and legal obligations under international law. so, obligations under international law. so. this— obligations under international law. so. this is— obligations under international law. so, this is why the government is looking _ so, this is why the government is looking for— so, this is why the government is looking for accommodation on an increasingly inhumane basis. lots of experts _ increasingly inhumane basis. lots of experts raise concerns about this barge, _ experts raise concerns about this barge, which it was putting asylum seekers— barge, which it was putting asylum seekers on. — barge, which it was putting asylum seekers on, notjust barge, which it was putting asylum seekers on, not just about diseases like legionnaires' disease, which can be _ like legionnaires' disease, which can be caused by bacteria in the water— can be caused by bacteria in the water supply, but also because the barge _ water supply, but also because the barge is— water supply, but also because the barge is poor to be overcrowded, you have the _ barge is poor to be overcrowded, you have the fire — barge is poor to be overcrowded, you have the fire service union say it was a _ have the fire service union say it was a reat— have the fire service union say it was a real fire risk, and have the fire service union say it was a realfire risk, and i'm have the fire service union say it was a real fire risk, and i'm afraid ithink— was a real fire risk, and i'm afraid i think this — was a real fire risk, and i'm afraid i think this is _ was a real fire risk, and i'm afraid i think this isjust was a real fire risk, and i'm afraid i think this is just the was a real fire risk, and i'm afraid i think this isjust the government are trying — i think this isjust the government are trying to signal that it is anti—asylum, and antique the right of people — anti—asylum, and antique the right of people to apply for asylum in the uk, rather— of people to apply for asylum in the uk, ratherthan of people to apply for asylum in the uk, rather than thinking about what is in the _ uk, rather than thinking about what is in the best humanitarian interest, _ is in the best humanitarian interest, in terms of our refugee policy _ interest, in terms of our refugee oli . ~ , ., interest, in terms of our refugee oli .~ ,., . policy. we should say that the government _ policy. we should say that the government has _ policy. we should say that the government has said - policy. we should say that the . government has said consistently that the conditions on the barge are completely humane, and that once this case of legionella has been cleared up, the migrants can be moved back on—board, but i want to bring you back on, run, as well. we

have seen migration in the us along the southern border slow a bit since the southern border slow a bit since the end of title 42, the pandemic ever restrictions that had been in place. now, new immigration restrictions are in place. but what real impact you think they have had? minimal. i think, real impact you think they have had? minimal. ithink, unfortunately, and sonia touched on this, it is a very delicate issue when you talk about asylum law, and you talk about those who are legitimately trying to come to the united states, or trying to come to the uk to leave oppression and to alleviate themselves from a bad situation. what we found here in the united states, looking at international law, you are supposed to apply for asylum in the first country that you have safe passage into, and of course, we have seen from guatemala, heading into mexico, heading into the united states, that people have crossed several states and not applied for asylum in the first safe place they were let into,

but they just want to come to the united states. we have a situation where it costed new york city $12 billion by 2025, of the tens of thousands of people who come, so, we as a worldwide community, not only in the us, or in the uk, need to really address asylum seekers, and whether or not their claims are legitimate, and how do we adequately make sure that those who deserve to be asylum seekers are given that status. it be asylum seekers are given that status. . . , , ., be asylum seekers are given that status. . . , , . ., status. it certainly is a global question. _ status. it certainly is a global question, isn't _ status. it certainly is a global question, isn't it? _ status. it certainly is a global question, isn't it? stay - status. it certainly is a global question, isn't it? stay right| question, isn't it? stay right there, because we want to stay in there, because we want to stay in the uk for the next story. the government is considering putting messages inside cigarette packets to encourage smokers to quit. warnings have been printed on the outside of boxes for 50 years, but now, ministers will consult on plans to go further in an attempt to get more people to stop smoking. the inserts are already in use in other countries, including canada and israel. well, let's take a look at how

the uk compares to other countries. just over 13% of adults in the uk smoke. in the us, it's a bit less, at around 11.5%. but compare that to germany and greece, where around a third of the adult population smoke on a regular basis. bringing back in, sonia ron, sonia, do you think this will be an effective campaign? i do you think this will be an effective campaign? do you think this will be an effective camaiun? ~ . , effective campaign? i think anything that ou effective campaign? i think anything that you can — effective campaign? i think anything that you can do _ effective campaign? i think anything that you can do to _ effective campaign? i think anything that you can do to encourage - effective campaign? i think anything that you can do to encourage people to give _ that you can do to encourage people to give up— that you can do to encourage people to give up smoking, given that smoking — to give up smoking, given that smoking is a massive premature killer— smoking is a massive premature killer in — smoking is a massive premature killer in the uk, and elsewhere, is a good _ killer in the uk, and elsewhere, is a good thing. and one of the reasons why this _ a good thing. and one of the reasons why this measure is being considered is that— why this measure is being considered is that it _ why this measure is being considered is that it has — why this measure is being considered is that it has been found in some countries. — is that it has been found in some countries, including messages inside the packaging of cigarettes, encouraging people to give up, giving — encouraging people to give up, giving them information about how they can _ giving them information about how they can do it, is associated with more _ they can do it, is associated with more people, more smokers trying to quit. more people, more smokers trying to quit it _ more people, more smokers trying to quit it is _ more people, more smokers trying to quit. it is absolutely not a bad thing — quit. it is absolutely not a bad thing to— quit. it is absolutely not a bad thing to do. and i can't see why you wouldn't _ thing to do. and i can't see why you wouldn't do — thing to do. and i can't see why you wouldn't do it. the thing i will say

is that— wouldn't do it. the thing i will say is that what— wouldn't do it. the thing i will say is that what we know is most effective _ is that what we know is most effective in getting people, helping people _ effective in getting people, helping people to give up smoking, is stop smoking. — people to give up smoking, is stop smoking, smoking cessation services. funding _ smoking, smoking cessation services. funding for— smoking, smoking cessation services. funding for those has been cut in recent— funding for those has been cut in recent years, as local government has had _ recent years, as local government has had bigger funding issues over the last— has had bigger funding issues over the last sort of ten years or so. so. _ the last sort of ten years or so. so. i_ the last sort of ten years or so. so. i would _ the last sort of ten years or so. so, i would say that this is a good thing. _ so, i would say that this is a good thing. and — so, i would say that this is a good thing, and we should be doing it, but it— thing, and we should be doing it, but it must— thing, and we should be doing it, but it must not come at the cost of funding _ but it must not come at the cost of funding a _ but it must not come at the cost of funding a decent smoking cessation services _ funding a decent smoking cessation services for people as well. because actually. _ services for people as well. because actually, that upfront investment could _ actually, that upfront investment could end — actually, that upfront investment could end up saving the taxpayer a lot of— could end up saving the taxpayer a lot of money in the long run, as well— lot of money in the long run, as well as— lot of money in the long run, as well as a — lot of money in the long run, as well as a lot of lives, because it proves— well as a lot of lives, because it proves the _ well as a lot of lives, because it proves the help of the whole nation. that is— proves the help of the whole nation. that is an _ proves the help of the whole nation. that is an interesting point, something unless we spoke to were affected as well, saying that we need a lot more funding for these activities. ron, iwant need a lot more funding for these activities. ron, i want to ask you as well, because i saw that the number of people smoking in the us was much in the 50s and 60s, same as in the uk, but public campaigns and activities like this it at the uk have been really effective. do you

think it is something the us needs to tackle that around 11.5% of the aduu to tackle that around 11.5% of the adult population is still smoking? absolutely, and let me assist you to my remarks are what sonia has said. i agree with her 100%. my parents, i am 5a, my parents growing up in the 50s and 60s, they were smokers. and everyone smoked. and if you can find a way to get children not to get on this very addictive practice of smoking cigarettes, you will understand how later in life, their health will be so much better. and you look at end—of—life care here in the united states, and undoubtably, in the uk and around the world, those who have lung cancer, those who have diseases and afflictions, that are directly attributable to smoking, we can stop this. so, yes. maybe it is on the inside of a package, but whatever it takes, but i agree with sonia, we don't need to stop the smoking cessation programmes. we need to increase the

education, to ensure that our children don't get addicted to this very, very terrible practice. pond very, very terrible practice. and sonia, another _ very, very terrible practice. and sonia, another question to you. i can imagine that the results of smoking also put more of the burden on the already very strapped nhs. absolutely. so, smoking, obesity, these _ absolutely. so, smoking, obesity, these sorts— absolutely. so, smoking, obesity, these sorts of public health challenges create huge costs for the nhs, because smoking is associated with all— nhs, because smoking is associated with all types of long—term illness, such as _ with all types of long—term illness, such as cancer, such as long—term cardiovascular problems. lung disease. — cardiovascular problems. lung disease, obviously. so, actually, encouraging more people to give up smoking _ encouraging more people to give up smoking is— encouraging more people to give up smoking is a really effective way of improving — smoking is a really effective way of improving their health, and as i was hinting _ improving their health, and as i was hinting at _ improving their health, and as i was hinting at an— improving their health, and as i was hinting at an earlier, it is also an effective — hinting at an earlier, it is also an effective way of saving the british taxpayer— effective way of saving the british taxpayer money, because the nhs is obviously— taxpayer money, because the nhs is obviously free is the point of use here _ obviously free is the point of use here in— obviously free is the point of use here in the — obviously free is the point of use here in the uk. so, it is a complete no-brainen — here in the uk. so, it is a complete no—brainer. obviously, smoking rates have dropped very significantly, and ithink— have dropped very significantly, and i think there is a very stark contrast— i think there is a very stark contrast in this big is your sewing

is between — contrast in this big is your sewing is between the uk and the us, and a country— is between the uk and the us, and a country like — is between the uk and the us, and a country like germany, and greece, and smoking rates are much lower in the uk. _ and smoking rates are much lower in the uk. but — and smoking rates are much lower in the uk, but actually, that doesn't io the uk, but actually, that doesn't go far— the uk, but actually, that doesn't go far enough. we need to have the ambition— go far enough. we need to have the ambition of— go far enough. we need to have the ambition of the smoke—free country, so that— ambition of the smoke—free country, so that zero— ambition of the smoke—free country, so that zero people are smoking, and that is— so that zero people are smoking, and that is definitely something that is on the _ that is definitely something that is on the radar of public health experts. _ on the radar of public health experts, and there are some concerns about— experts, and there are some concerns about a _ experts, and there are some concerns about a beeping, i think, experts, and there are some concerns about a beeping, ithink, because experts, and there are some concerns about a beeping, i think, because so many— about a beeping, i think, because so many young — about a beeping, i think, because so many young people are vaping now, but we _ many young people are vaping now, but we do _ many young people are vaping now, but we do know that vaping is... you shouldn't— but we do know that vaping is... you shouldn't take up vaping if you're not a _ shouldn't take up vaping if you're not a smoker, but vaping is... we will leave — not a smoker, but vaping is... we will leave us _ not a smoker, but vaping is... - will leave us there. sonia and ron, we will see you in a minute. thank you. —— we will leave it there. hello there. monday has brought some parts of the uk some very wet weather indeed, in association with a frontal system and an area of low pressure. as we head through the evening and tonight, though, that will be pulling away north eastwards. so, there is something a little drier and brighter in prospect for tomorrow. but in the short term, still some rain lingering

across parts of south east scotland and northeast england. and actually, that rain will continue across some coastal parts pretty much until the end of the night. a few showers around western parts. otherwise, largely dry with clear spells and temperatures of 11 to 15 degrees. so for tomorrow morning, some rain first thing across coastal parts of north east england that will then pull away into the north sea. and then, we're looking at a drier and a brighter day with sunny spells. still a scattering of showers. these, most plentiful in parts of northern england, southern and central scotland, where there could be the odd flash of lightning, the odd rumble of thunder. temperatures ranging from 15 degrees in lerwick to 23 there in london. now, as we move into wednesday, this area of high pressure starts to build, quite weakly at first. but underneath the high, with light winds, we could have some quite dense fog to start the day across southern and western parts of england, wales, northern ireland. that will lift and clear. then we'll see some sunny spells. not as many showers at this stage, although more cloud will linger across some eastern parts of scotland with the odd spot of rain. just signs of something a little bit

warmer developing down towards the south east corner. and thursday should be a drier, brighter and slightly warmer day for many. some early fog patches, especially across the northern half of the country. one or two showers across parts of scotland and down the spine of northern england. but some sunny spells and temperatures of 22 degrees for glasgow, 2a in london. that warmth coming from the near continent where, actually, it's shaping up to be a pretty warm week overall. as we develop a southeasterly breeze, we will bring some of that warmth and humidity in our direction for the end of the week. however, just how warm it gets depends upon the progress of this frontal system, because this will eventually swing its way in from the atlantic during friday. it'll bring some heavy rain, in fact, some heavy, thundery rain, and it's likely to suppress the temperatures as well. so, we are likely to get into the middle 20s celsius, maybe just a touch higher, but some heavy rain through friday and into the start of the weekend.

hello, i'm sumi somaskanda. you're watching the context on bbc news. will artificial intelligence be capable of reading our minds? the bbc�*s panorama investigates the scientists trying to do just that.

and good evening and thank you forjoining us. from driverless cars to 3d printing — artificial intelligence has been transforming how we live. but could ai — one day — be capable of reading our minds? lara lewington of bbc panorama — has been investigating the potential risks and benefits — of the ai revolution hi, lara. hi, good to meet you. thank you for having us. come on in. thanks very much. neuroscientist alexander huth has spent a decade trying to understand how the brain works. if we want to build intelligent machines, maybe we want to make things that act more like human brains. so that's kind of what got me into neuroscience. this year, his team had a breakthrough. using ai technology that can understand language, they've built a computer that can read minds. we scan people's brains with an fmri scanner while theyjust listen to stories. so we track how their brains respond while they're listening to hours and hours of stories.

the team has trained the al on their own brains.