welcome to send it back to you. welcome to our onauoin send it back to you. welcome to our ongoing coverage — send it back to you. welcome to our ongoing coverage of _ send it back to you. welcome to our ongoing coverage of the surrender l send it back to you. welcome to our| ongoing coverage of the surrender to we are waiting for donald trump's plane to land any minute now. before that, let's look at details and will happen, in the next hour the former president will likely be fingerprinted and have his mug shot taken at faulty county jail —— fulton countyjail. his bail has been set at $200,000. you will return to atlanta and a later date to enter a plea in court. that he will return to atlanta. mrtrump court. that he will return to atlanta. mr trump denies all 13 counts against him, including racketeering and making false statements. he says these charges are politically motivated. now his former chief of staff and former personal lawyer have already surrendered, as have other codefendants. this is mr trump is my fourth criminal case, even as he remains the republican party's front runner for the 2024 nomination. let's

see if we can bring in those live pictures again of the skies above atlanta. as we said, mrtrump is skies above atlanta. as we said, mr trump is expected to land. we heard our correspondent tell us he's expected to lay on just about now, so we should see his plane arriving at any point now —— landed just about now, then he'll be going to the fulton county jail where he will be booked. we expect that to happen within the next hour or so, as we heard the former president is running a little bit late, but let's now move on and take a look at the 13 charges that mr trump is facing as we await for him to arrive in atlanta. we've covered these charges before, but they're worth a look. to change the outcome of the election, three counts of solicitation of violent version of oath

including one related to trump's —— violation of oath, where mr trump asked the secretary of state to unlawfully author... also conspiracy to impersonate a public officer with intent to mislead. by making a false document which would've made trump appearto be document which would've made trump appear to be the winning candidate in georgia, and making false statements and writings, and filing false documents. persuading georgia legislators to reject legitimate votes cast by duly elected officials. just as the plane is about to land in atlanta, those are the pictures of donald trump landing in atlanta at this very minute, at the atlanta hartsfield international airport where he will then go the fulton county jail to be booked on those criminal charges we just

criminal charges wejust mentioned, 13 charges, and the former president denies all charges against him, he will be with his legal team. he had a shake—up of his legal team today, adding a new lawyer to his team, but let's bring in our panel of legal experts as we look at these pictures right now of mr trump's plane, he's landing right now in atlanta. 0ur landing right now in atlanta. our legal experts will be talking through this hour with us, both federal prosecutors, and a visiting associate professor of practice at emory university school of law right there in atlanta, georgia. john, as you are in atlanta and we are looking at these pictures of mr trump arriving in your city right now, he'll be headed downtown to the fulton county jail. be headed downtown to the fulton countyjail. can be headed downtown to the fulton county jail. can you give us an idea of what's the difference between booking and the actual arraignment? so what mr trump will the actual arraignment? so what mrtrump will be the actual arraignment? so what mr trump will be doing today versus the arraignment? so formal

versus the arraignment? sr formal booking is the taking of the demographic information, so prior arrest record, public health form, fingerprints and the mug shots everyone has been talking about. this can be paired with arraignment in the united states, and simply the entering of a guilty or not guilty plea. but they've decoupled them so they'll occur approximately two weeks apart. and we know mr trump will enter a not guilty plea. can you tell us if the proceeding he'll be facing today is how it would be for other defendants also being booked at the fulton county jail? , , ., ., ., jail? so he is similar to other high-profile _ jail? so he is similar to other high-profile defendants - jail? so he is similar to other high-profile defendants but i high—profile defendants but different in the from the average person in atlanta, simply because he had the opportunity to surrender rather than being arrested on the street, and an opportunity with a bail agreement in place before he surrendered. those two things will speed the process along for anybody. in addition he'll not go into the

general population or a holding cell because securities concerns. cell because securities contem— cell because securities concerns. ~ ~ ., ., cell because securities concerns. ~ ., ., , concerns. we know the 'ail is on lockdown, * concerns. we know the 'ail is on lockdown, there h concerns. we know the 'ail is on lockdown, there is h concerns. we know the jail is on lockdown, there is mr - on lockdown, there is mr trump's plane taxing on the airport, we expect them to head down to the fulton county jail. sarah, i want both your takes on the ricoh racketeering statute that was such a central part of this indictment. why do you think this is so significant? i you think this is so significant?- you think this is so significant? you think this is so siunificant? ~ �* , , significant? i think it's 'ust an expansive i significant? i think it's 'ust an expansive law�* significant? i think it's 'ust an expansive law with h significant? i think it'sjust an expansive law with an l an expansive law with an expansive statute, that allows the prosecutor here to tell the story in a broadway, and the penalties are pretty severe. so i think that's one of the most serious charges mr trump is facing —— broad way. [30 serious charges mr trump is facing -- broad way.- facing -- broad way. do you auree? facing -- broad way. do you agree? i _ facing -- broad way. do you agree? i agree _ facing -- broad way. do you agree? i agree it's - facing -- broad way. do you agree? i agree it's headline| agree? i agree it's headline ramming. _ agree? i agree it's headline ramming. on _ agree? i agree it's headline ramming, on the _ agree? i agree it's headline ramming, on the ins - agree? i agree it's headline ramming, on the ins and i agree? i agree it's headline l ramming, on the ins and outs

agree? i agree it's headline - ramming, on the ins and outs of the georgette rico statute specifically, but what i'm sceptical about is a new york lawyer— sceptical about is a new york lawyer and former prosecutor is, can— lawyer and former prosecutor is, can they show there was a criminal— is, can they show there was a criminal enterprise here? you need — criminal enterprise here? you need an— criminal enterprise here? you need an organisation that exists _ need an organisation that exists to commit crimes. and if the membership in the organisation, that is the crime itself— organisation, that is the crime itself or— organisation, that is the crime itself or the defendant — so for one. _ itself or the defendant — so for one. i_ itself or the defendant — so for one, i don't know whatever loose — for one, i don't know whatever loose organisation that trump campaign folks have would qualify— campaign folks have would qualify as an enterprise, and also — qualify as an enterprise, and also the _ qualify as an enterprise, and also the enterprise has to continue _ also the enterprise has to continue to exist as a threat to the — continue to exist as a threat to the public. and this enterprise didn't go beyond i guess— enterprise didn't go beyond i guess 20 january, 2021. sol question— guess 20 january, 2021. sol question whether or not this was — question whether or not this was maybe a little overly aggressive, but i guess we will find out — aggressive, but i guess we will find out. , ., ., ., find out. john, what are the intricacies _ find out. john, what are the intricacies of _ find out. john, what are the intricacies of georgia's - intricacies of georgia's racketeering statute? we've heard this da has used this statute quite a bit. she has, in several — statute quite a bit. she has, in several high-profile - statute quite a bit. she has, j in several high-profile cases in several high—profile cases recently. _ in several high—profile cases recently, most _ in several high—profile cases

recently, most notably- in several high—profile cases recently, most notably withl in several high—profile cases i recently, most notably with rap artists — recently, most notably with rap artists here _ recently, most notably with rap artists here in _ recently, most notably with rap artists here in town. _ recently, most notably with rap artists here in town. and - recently, most notably with rap artists here in town. and what. artists here in town. and what makes — artists here in town. and what makes the _ artists here in town. and what makes the georgia _ artists here in town. and what makes the georgia statute - artists here in town. and what. makes the georgia statute more unusual— makes the georgia statute more unusual from _ makes the georgia statute more unusual from other— makes the georgia statute more unusual from other state - unusual from other state statutes _ unusual from other state statutes as _ unusual from other state statutes as it's _ unusual from other state statutes as it's actually l unusual from other state statutes as it's actually a federal— statutes as it's actually a federal statute _ statutes as it's actually a federal statute than - statutes as it's actually a | federal statute than most statutes as it's actually a i federal statute than most of them, — federal statute than most of them, allowing _ federal statute than most of them, allowing the - federal statute than most of them, allowing the district. them, allowing the district attorney _ them, allowing the district attorney to _ them, allowing the district attorney to reach - them, allowing the district attorney to reach beyond i them, allowing the district- attorney to reach beyond what was georgia _ attorney to reach beyond what was georgia activities - attorney to reach beyond what was georgia activities to - was georgia activities to activities _ was georgia activities to activities beyond - was georgia activities to activities beyond the - was georgia activities to i activities beyond the state. but as _ activities beyond the state. but as i_ activities beyond the state. but as i said, _ activities beyond the state. but as i said, this- activities beyond the state. but as i said, this will- activities beyond the state. but as i said, this will be i activities beyond the state. but as i said, this will be a| but as i said, this will be a hard — but as i said, this will be a hard case _ but as i said, this will be a hard case to _ but as i said, this will be a hard case to prove, - but as i said, this will be a hard case to prove, this i but as i said, this will be a hard case to prove, this is| hard case to prove, this is by no nmans— hard case to prove, this is by no means a _ hard case to prove, this is by no means a slam _ hard case to prove, this is by no means a slam dunk- hard case to prove, this is by no means a slam dunk for. hard case to prove, this is byl no means a slam dunk for the da's — no means a slam dunk for the ms office _ no means a slam dunk for the da's office here. _ no means a slam dunk for the da's office here. and - no means a slam dunk for the da's office here. and on - no means a slam dunk for the da's office here. and on top i no means a slam dunk for thel da's office here. and on top of that, _ da's office here. and on top of that, there _ da's office here. and on top of that, there will— da's office here. and on top of that, there will also _ da's office here. and on top of that, there will also be - da's office here. and on top of that, there will also be the - that, there will also be the issue — that, there will also be the issue of— that, there will also be the issue of mens _ that, there will also be the issue of mens rea, - that, there will also be the issue of mens rea, and - that, there will also be the . issue of mens rea, and that's that, there will also be the - issue of mens rea, and that's a mental— issue of mens rea, and that's a mental state. _ issue of mens rea, and that's a mental state, and _ issue of mens rea, and that's a mental state, and i'm- issue of mens rea, and that's a mental state, and i'm not- issue of mens rea, and that's a mental state, and i'm not sure| mental state, and i'm not sure she'll— mental state, and i'm not sure she'll be — mental state, and i'm not sure she'll be able _ mental state, and i'm not sure she'll be able to _ mental state, and i'm not sure she'll be able to approve - mental state, and i'm not sure she'll be able to approve that i she'll be able to approve that for any— she'll be able to approve that for any of— she'll be able to approve that for any of the _ she'll be able to approve that for any of the defendants. . she'll be able to approve that| for any of the defendants. we will talk for any of the defendants. will talk about that, but that is the former president's plane, he touched down three minutes past the hour at hartsfield jackson international airport, he is expected to go the fulton countyjail, originally at side i had of arriving in atlanta that he expected to surrender at 7:30pm local time but he

appears to be running a little bit behind schedule, but we could see him at the fulton county jail could see him at the fulton countyjail in about an hour's time or perhaps less than that. coming to some of the other charges, sarah, wejust read them and mentioned conspiracy to commit forgery in the first degree, falsifying a document that would've made trump the winning candidate in georgia and falsifying statements. one of these charges based upon? 50 of these charges based upon? so i of these charges based upon? sr i think the thing here is tying trump to the conduct that those charges are based upon, so they have to not only show the event happened, but put trump as the responsible party for that conduct, so it was either him that did it, his agent, his co—conspirator. so i think that's really the harder sell here for the jury, tying

that's really the harder sell here for thejury, tying it back to trump as the act when there's actually a lot of people involved here, and should the case go forward, trump may try to shift the blame to others within his gambit. blame to others within his ambit. , ., . h blame to others within his ambit. ., �*, blame to others within his ambit. , ., ., �*, i. ., ~ gambit. joe, what's your take on this? fake _ gambit. joe, what's your take on this? fake electors - gambit. joe, what's your take on this? fake electors might| gambit. joe, what's your take l on this? fake electors might be the strongest _ on this? fake electors might be the strongest part _ on this? fake electors might be the strongest part of— on this? fake electors might be the strongest part of the - on this? fake electors might be the strongest part of the case. | the strongest part of the case. you have — the strongest part of the case. you have to break off the contention electors than the fake — contention electors than the fake electors. but if the da can show there were individuals trying _ can show there were individuals trying to— can show there were individuals trying to impersonate legitimate electors who submitted forged documents, and it did _ submitted forged documents, and it did seem like donald trump was part— it did seem like donald trump was part of that series of activity. _ was part of that series of activity, that might be the most _ activity, that might be the most serious charge here, set of charges. there's also a hacking _ of charges. there's also a hacking set of charges which also — hacking set of charges which also seems serious, but i don't think— also seems serious, but i don't think trump was asked a part of that, _ think trump was asked a part of that, i_ think trump was asked a part of that, i think he was fairly removed. as far as everything else, — removed. as far as everything else, that _ removed. as far as everything else, that state of mind will be criminal, and i come back to this with —

be criminal, and i come back to this with both the georgia case in the — this with both the georgia case in the jack smith federal case. prosecutors must show that donald _ prosecutors must show that donald trump knew he was lying, in that— donald trump knew he was lying, in that he — donald trump knew he was lying, in that he knew he lost the election— in that he knew he lost the election and was still trying to change the result anyway. so the prosecutor i expect will bring — the prosecutor i expect will bring in _ the prosecutor i expect will bring in people like bill barr, the former attorney general, and all— the former attorney general, and all these other people that came _ and all these other people that came in— and all these other people that came in and told donald trump, "you _ came in and told donald trump, "you lost — came in and told donald trump, "you lost the election." trump will probably bring in a bunch of his— will probably bring in a bunch of his own people who said there's— of his own people who said there's fake collectors here and — there's fake collectors here and faults votes gear, "we think— and faults votes gear, "we think we _ and faults votes gear, "we think we really won." and prosecutors will have to show that _ prosecutors will have to show that donald trump knew he lost and was — that donald trump knew he lost and was still perpetrating this fraud — and was still perpetrating this fraud. i'm sure there's plenty of evidence and it'll be interesting to see how it plays out, _ interesting to see how it plays out, but — interesting to see how it plays out, but i _ interesting to see how it plays out, but i could see that being a real— out, but i could see that being a real hurdle here.- a real hurdle here. interesting ou sa a real hurdle here. interesting you say that — a real hurdle here. interesting you say that on _ a real hurdle here. interesting you say that on the _ a real hurdle here. interesting you say that on the jack - a real hurdle here. interesting you say that on the jack smith j you say that on the jack smith case, he seemed to really try to laid out dutch lay that out

in his case that it was clear to the defendant he knew he did not win the election. we are seeing deplaning happening, waiting for the former president, there are members of his team coming out but the former president should be deplaning himself injust former president should be deplaning himself in just a few minutes. john, it was interesting specifically on this case of the fake electors scheme, there were a few journalists in atlanta who were called in to testify to the grand jury before the indictment came down because they had seen some of the meetings that had taken place. tell us more about that. so meetings that had taken place. tell us more about that.- tell us more about that. so as art of tell us more about that. so as part of efforts _ tell us more about that. so as part of efforts to _ tell us more about that. so as part of efforts to legitimise i part of efforts to legitimise their— part of efforts to legitimise their actions, _ part of efforts to legitimise theiractions, or— part of efforts to legitimise their actions, or perhaps. part of efforts to legitimise their actions, or perhaps inj part of efforts to legitimise i their actions, or perhaps in an honest— their actions, or perhaps in an honest belief— their actions, or perhaps in an honest belief of _ their actions, or perhaps in an honest belief of the _ their actions, or perhaps in an| honest belief of the legitimate daschle — honest belief of the legitimate daschle intimacy _ honest belief of the legitimate daschle intimacy of _ honest belief of the legitimate daschle intimacy of their- daschle intimacy of their actions. _ daschle intimacy of their actions, they— daschle intimacy of their actions, they invited i daschle intimacy of their actions, they invited the| daschle intimacy of their- actions, they invited the media into the — actions, they invited the media into the contest _ actions, they invited the media into the contest of— actions, they invited the media into the contest of this - actions, they invited the media into the contest of this case, i into the contest of this case, so there _ into the contest of this case, so there were _ into the contest of this case, so there were witnesses i into the contest of this case, so there were witnesses who were — so there were witnesses who

were not— so there were witnesses who were not part _ so there were witnesses who were not part of _ so there were witnesses who were not part of the - so there were witnesses who were not part of the alleged i were not part of the alleged conspiracy— were not part of the alleged conspiracy directly- were not part of the alleged conspiracy directly seeing i were not part of the alleged i conspiracy directly seeing the signing — conspiracy directly seeing the signing of— conspiracy directly seeing the signing of these _ conspiracy directly seeing the signing of these documents l conspiracy directly seeing the i signing of these documents that are now— signing of these documents that are now asserted _ signing of these documents that are now asserted to _ signing of these documents that are now asserted to be - are now asserted to be fraudulent. _ are now asserted to be fraudulent. so- are now asserted to be fraudulent. so it's i are now asserted to be fraudulent. so it's an l fraudulent. so it's an interesting _ fraudulent. so it's an interesting momenti fraudulent. so it's an i interesting moment where fraudulent. so it's an - interesting moment where on fraudulent. so it's an _ interesting moment where on the one hand. — interesting moment where on the one hand. it— interesting moment where on the one hand, it seems— interesting moment where on the one hand, it seems like _ interesting moment where on the one hand, it seems like he - one hand, it seems like he differently _ one hand, it seems like he differently did _ one hand, it seems like he differently did the - one hand, it seems like he differently did the action, i one hand, it seems like he i differently did the action, but on the — differently did the action, but on the other— differently did the action, but on the other hand _ differently did the action, but on the other hand you - differently did the action, but on the other hand you don't. on the other hand you don't hold — on the other hand you don't hold a — on the other hand you don't hold a criminal— on the other hand you don't hold a criminal conspiracy l on the other hand you don't. hold a criminal conspiracy out to the — hold a criminal conspiracy out to the public— hold a criminal conspiracy out to the public and _ hold a criminal conspiracy out to the public and invite - hold a criminal conspiracy out to the public and invite the i to the public and invite the media _ to the public and invite the media to _ to the public and invite the media to watch _ to the public and invite the media to watch you - to the public and invite the media to watch you do i to the public and invite the media to watch you do it. i media to watch you do it. thats— media to watch you do it. that's unusual— media to watch you do it. that's unusual for- media to watch you do it. that's unusual for most l that's unusual for most criminals. _ that's unusual for most criminals.— that's unusual for most criminals. ., . ., criminals. how convincing do ou criminals. how convincing do you think _ criminals. how convincing do you think that'll _ criminals. how convincing do you think that'll be _ criminals. how convincing do you think that'll be as - criminals. how convincing do you think that'll be as a i criminals. how convincing do| you think that'll be as a piece of evidence for the prosecutors here? i of evidence for the prosecutors here? ~' ., . ., here? i think the fact that they were _ here? i think the fact that they were actually - here? i think the fact that they were actually done i here? i think the fact that j they were actually done is a strong case, but as we just said, it'll be the mental state as well, so i think it bolsters the prosecution present case as to the act casting these fake ballots, but _ to the act casting these fake ballots, but undermines i to the act casting these fake ballots, but undermines a bit, or it _ ballots, but undermines a bit, or it will— ballots, but undermines a bit, or it will be _ ballots, but undermines a bit, or it will be explained - ballots, but undermines a bit, or it will be explained why- or it will be explained why individuals— or it will be explained why individuals who _ or it will be explained why individuals who knew- or it will be explained why individuals who knew they or it will be explained why- individuals who knew they were engaging — individuals who knew they were engaging in— individuals who knew they were engaging in a— individuals who knew they were engaging in a criminal- engaging in a criminal enterprise _ engaging in a criminal enterprise with - engaging in a criminal enterprise with the i engaging in a criminal- enterprise with the district attorney's _ enterprise with the district attorney's assertion - enterprise with the district attorney's assertion did i enterprise with the district attorney's assertion did soj enterprise with the district i attorney's assertion did so in full light— attorney's assertion did so in full light of— attorney's assertion did so in full light of the _ attorney's assertion did so in full light of the media. - attorney's assertion did so in|

full light of the media. that's something _ full light of the media. that's something you _ full light of the media. that's something you don't - full light of the media. that's something you don't typically expect— something you don't typically expect criminals— something you don't typically expect criminals to _ something you don't typically expect criminals to do, - something you don't typically. expect criminals to do, usually when _ expect criminals to do, usually when there's— expect criminals to do, usually when there's a _ expect criminals to do, usually when there's a conspiracy- expect criminals to do, usually when there's a conspiracy you i when there's a conspiracy you keep— when there's a conspiracy you keep it — when there's a conspiracy you keep it quiet _ when there's a conspiracy you keep it quiet-— keep it quiet. still looking at these pictures _ keep it quiet. still looking at these pictures waiting i keep it quiet. still looking at these pictures waiting to i keep it quiet. still looking atj these pictures waiting to see mr trump. joe, we've been talking quite a bit about the fact that this is the prosecutor prospect strategy to use this racketeering strategy for this sprawling and indictment, what about mr trump? we see already that can possibly go through with a speedy trial because they need time, what do you make of that argument? i time, what do you make of that argument?— argument? i think that'll be a powerful argument, - argument? i think that'll be a i powerful argument, and anyone who thinks these trials will happen— who thinks these trials will happen in the next few months are crazy — happen in the next few months are crazy i_ happen in the next few months are crazy. i heard october today. _ are crazy. i heard october today, maybe october next year, but definitely not this year. just — but definitely not this year. just the _ but definitely not this year. just the fact that there were 19 defendants in the georgia case, — 19 defendants in the georgia case, the fact that you have classified documents involved in the — classified documents involved in the mar—a—lago case which brings— in the mar—a—lago case which brings up— in the mar—a—lago case which brings up a _ in the mar—a—lago case which brings up a whole other set of headaches about having to get security— headaches about having to get security clearances and cleared council, — security clearances and cleared council, and all that. the fact that— council, and all that. the fact that you _ council, and all that. the fact that you have serious state

versus _ that you have serious state versus federal supremacy clause arguments in the georgia case. these — arguments in the georgia case. these cases will not happen anytime _ these cases will not happen anytime soon — i'm sceptical they'll— anytime soon — i'm sceptical they'll even happen before the election— they'll even happen before the election next year, because of the fact— election next year, because of the fact that there'll be election pot the fact that there'll be election po- the fact that there'll be election po the fact that there'll be election -o n, ., ., ., election pot john, we are now seeinu election pot john, we are now seeing the — election pot john, we are now seeing the former— election pot john, we are now seeing the former president i election pot john, we are now| seeing the former president is coming down the stairs of the plane there. he's now arriving on the tarmac as we see him there, he's arrived in atlanta, georgia for his booking on criminal charges. there he is, former president donald trump, he sat on the way in the plane, releasing another message saying he would be arrested, he called it a sham arrest, surrendering to the fulton county officials. he's got in the car there and he will be heading, and we will be following his path as he heads to the fulton county jail. he should arrive there within the next hour or so. sarah, should arrive there within the next hour orso. sarah, as should arrive there within the next hour or so. sarah, as we look at these pictures, i want to ask if you agree withjoe there that it'll be difficult

specifically in this case for the da to push for a speedy trial. �* , ,., , the da to push for a speedy trial. �* , , ~' ~ trial. absolutely, i think mr trump really _ trial. absolutely, i think mr trump really holds - trial. absolutely, i think mr trump really holds the i trial. absolutely, i think mrl trump really holds the cards with regard to timing here because as much as this prosecution team wants to push the cases forward, the defendants have a right to review the evidence and make motions to challenge the indictment, there's a whole process in each case that has to play itself out. in this case, the georgia case, we are talking about 19 defendants that this has to happen with. so we are already seeing some tension between the various defendants who want their cases to go forward quickly, and others who may not want to do that. so i think it is very unlikely we see any trials in these matters any time in the near future.— these matters any time in the near future. we are seeing the former president's _ near future. we are seeing the former president's motorcade | former president's motorcade lighting up as they drive off. john, one of the codefendants,

we will look at all of them in a moment, but kenneth chesebro requested a speedy trial and that was granted. does this mean we could just see the one co—defendant start his trial in october and the others could took place at a later date? i5 took place at a later date? is definitely possible, there were conflicting _ definitely possible, there were conflicting rights, _ definitely possible, there were conflicting rights, obviously. conflicting rights, obviously the speedy— conflicting rights, obviously the speedy trial— conflicting rights, obviously the speedy trial right, i conflicting rights, obviously the speedy trial right, we . the speedy trial right, we don't _ the speedy trial right, we don't want _ the speedy trial right, we don't want the _ the speedy trial right, we i don't want the defendants to the speedy trial right, we - don't want the defendants to be kept in — don't want the defendants to be kept in suspense _ don't want the defendants to be kept in suspense and _ don't want the defendants to be kept in suspense and waiting, . kept in suspense and waiting, but as— kept in suspense and waiting, but as has— kept in suspense and waiting, but as has been _ kept in suspense and waiting, but as has been said, - kept in suspense and waiting, but as has been said, there'sl but as has been said, there's also — but as has been said, there's also due _ but as has been said, there's also due process, _ but as has been said, there's also due process, the - but as has been said, there's also due process, the right. but as has been said, there'sl also due process, the right to review— also due process, the right to review these _ also due process, the right to review these documents i also due process, the right to review these documents and i review these documents and prepare _ review these documents and prepare a _ review these documents and prepare a proper— review these documents and prepare a proper defence. i review these documents and | prepare a proper defence. so review these documents and l prepare a proper defence. sol think— prepare a proper defence. sol think what— prepare a proper defence. sol think what we _ prepare a proper defence. sol think what we will— prepare a proper defence. sol think what we will see - prepare a proper defence. sol think what we will see here i prepare a proper defence. sol think what we will see here is| think what we will see here is one group— think what we will see here is one group of— think what we will see here is one group of defendants i think what we will see here is| one group of defendants want think what we will see here is . one group of defendants want a very fast— one group of defendants want a very fast trial, _ one group of defendants want a very fast trial, and _ one group of defendants want a very fast trial, and another i very fast trial, and another group _ very fast trial, and another group wanting _ very fast trial, and another group wanting to _ very fast trial, and another group wanting to take i very fast trial, and another| group wanting to take their time— group wanting to take their time and— group wanting to take their time and review— group wanting to take their time and review the - group wanting to take their. time and review the evidence. interestingly— time and review the evidence. interestingly of— time and review the evidence. interestingly of course, - time and review the evidence. interestingly of course, the i interestingly of course, the one — interestingly of course, the one speedy— interestingly of course, the one speedy trial— interestingly of course, the one speedy trial can - interestingly of course, the one speedy trial can be i interestingly of course, the i one speedy trial can be used as the da's — one speedy trial can be used as the da's office _ one speedy trial can be used as the da's office to _ one speedy trial can be used asj the da's office to prevent some delay. — the da's office to prevent some delay. but— the da's office to prevent some delay. but not— the da's office to prevent some delay, but not all— the da's office to prevent some delay, but not all of— the da's office to prevent some delay, but not all of it - the da's office to prevent some delay, but not all of it by- delay, but not all of it by pointing _ delay, but not all of it by pointing out— delay, but not all of it by

pointing out that - delay, but not all of it by pointing out that this i delay, but not all of it by| pointing out that this one defendant— pointing out that this one defendant was— pointing out that this one defendant was ready i pointing out that this one defendant was ready to l pointing out that this one | defendant was ready to go pretty— defendant was ready to go pretty quickly _ defendant was ready to go pretty quickly. that - defendant was ready to go pretty quickly. that said, i don't _ pretty quickly. that said, i don't think— pretty quickly. that said, i don't think their— pretty quickly. that said, i don't think theirjudge i pretty quickly. that said, i don't think theirjudge willj pretty quickly. that said, i. don't think theirjudge will be willing — don't think theirjudge will be willing to _ don't think theirjudge will be willing to push _ don't think theirjudge will be willing to push the _ don't think theirjudge will bel willing to push the defendants to much— willing to push the defendants to much faster— willing to push the defendants to much faster than _ willing to push the defendants to much faster than the - to much faster than the defendants _ to much faster than the defendants are - to much faster than the i defendants are comfortable to much faster than the - defendants are comfortable with and i'd _ defendants are comfortable with and i'd die — defendants are comfortable with and i'd die we— defendants are comfortable with and i'd die we will— defendants are comfortable with and i'd die we will see _ defendants are comfortable with and i'd die we will see all- defendants are comfortable with and i'd die we will see all 19- and i'd die we will see all 19 tried — and i'd die we will see all 19 tried in— and i'd die we will see all 19 tried in october— and i'd die we will see all 19 tried in october or- and i'd die we will see all 19. tried in october or november and i'd die we will see all 19- tried in october or november as was said — tried in october or november as was said this _ tried in october or november as was said this week. _ tried in october or november as was said this week. mr- tried in october or november as was said this week.— was said this week. mr trump's motorcade _ was said this week. mr trump's motorcade leaving _ was said this week. mr trump's motorcade leaving the - was said this week. mr trump's motorcade leaving the airport i motorcade leaving the airport going to the fulton county jail. we see them under way there, and we expect them to arrive within the next hour or so at the fulton county jail where donald trump will surrender on these criminal charges. john, just following up charges. john, just following up because the fulton county da here, she's been under a lot of pressure particularly from mr trump and his legal team, criticising her as politically motivated. tell us about that. this has been said by the president— this has been said by the president and _ this has been said by the president and a - this has been said by the president and a lot - this has been said by the president and a lot of i this has been said by the president and a lot of his| president and a lot of his supporters, _ president and a lot of his supporters, and - president and a lot of his supporters, and i'm i president and a lot of his supporters, and i'm noti supporters, and i'm not surprised _ supporters, and i'm not surprised to _

supporters, and i'm not surprised to see - supporters, and i'm not surprised to see this i supporters, and i'm not- surprised to see this asserted again — surprised to see this asserted again. because _ surprised to see this asserted again. because this _ surprised to see this asserted again. because this is - surprised to see this asserted again. because this is a - surprised to see this asserted again. because this is a state| again. because this is a state case — again. because this is a state case at — again. because this is a state case at the _ again. because this is a state case at the moment, - again. because this is a state case at the moment, it's i again. because this is a state case at the moment, it's not| case at the moment, it's not been — case at the moment, it's not been moved _ case at the moment, it's not been moved to— case at the moment, it's not been moved to federal- case at the moment, it's not been moved to federal court| been moved to federal court although— been moved to federal court although there _ been moved to federal court although there are - been moved to federal court although there are pending i although there are pending petitions— although there are pending petitions to _ although there are pending petitions to move - although there are pending petitions to move some i although there are pending petitions to move some ofl although there are pending i petitions to move some of the defendants, _ petitions to move some of the defendants, she's— petitions to move some of the defendants, she's more - defendants, she's more insulated. _ defendants, she's more insulated. she's - defendants, she's more insulated. she's fairly. defendants, she's more - insulated. she's fairly popular insulated. she's fairly popular in fulton— insulated. she's fairly popular in fulton county, _ insulated. she's fairly popular in fulton county, she's - insulated. she's fairly popular in fulton county, she's up i insulated. she's fairly popular in fulton county, she's up for| in fulton county, she's up for reelection, _ in fulton county, she's up for reelection, fairly— in fulton county, she's up for reelection, fairly recent - in fulton county, she's up for reelection, fairly recent and i reelection, fairly recent and coming _ reelection, fairly recent and coming up. _ reelection, fairly recent and coming up. so— reelection, fairly recent and coming up, so there - reelection, fairly recent and coming up, so there are i coming up, so there are possible _ coming up, so there are possible pressures i coming up, so there are possible pressures but ij coming up, so there are i possible pressures but i don't think— possible pressures but i don't think you _ possible pressures but i don't think you will— possible pressures but i don't think you will have the - possible pressures but i don'ti think you will have the desired effect — think you will have the desired effect as— think you will have the desired effect as in— think you will have the desired effect as in other— think you will have the desired effect as in other cases - think you will have the desired effect as in other cases simplyj effect as in other cases simply because — effect as in other cases simply because she _ effect as in other cases simply because she is _ effect as in other cases simply because she is fairly— effect as in other cases simply because she is fairly secure i effect as in other cases simply because she is fairly secure in| because she is fairly secure in her position _ because she is fairly secure in her position. we _ because she is fairly secure in her position.— because she is fairly secure in her position. we will come back to ou in her position. we will come back to you in just — her position. we will come back to you in just a _ her position. we will come back to you in just a moment, i her position. we will come back| to you in just a moment, we are to you injust a moment, we are looking at the motorcade moving fulton countyjail. over the fulton county jail. over the car masten fulton countyjail. over the car masten at the jail where he's awaiting donald trump's arrival. remind us what we can see when the former president arrives there?— arrives there? we've seen similar scenes _ arrives there? we've seen similar scenes playing i arrives there? we've seen similar scenes playing out| arrives there? we've seen i similar scenes playing out with the former president and his

previous three terminal cases. this one will be a little bit different. first of all, it won't be taking place in a courthouse, or at least not yet. we are at the fulton county jail, yet. we are at the fulton countyjail, you can see the actualjail house over my shoulder, and this is where donald trump will be arriving and maybe 10—20 minutes, of course atlanta is a city notorious for traffic but if they are able to clear the roads, you should be here fairly soon. once the former president is inside, we know he's likely to be processed, so that's a matter of fingerprinting, they'll actually take other measurements including body weight, and we believe it's not 100% confirmed, but based on what you've seen so far with the other defendants in this case, we think donald trump will have a mug shot taken which will be published and released to the media, and made available within a matter of hours, we expect. after that, the former president is pretty much free to go. he, like all the other defendants except for one, has already arranged an

agreement, a bond agreement to be able to leave under his own power and return to freedom in the meantime. it's a $200,000 bond and there are some fairly strict restrictions that go along with it, so he will be told not to communicate with other codefendants in this case, not to communicate with other potential witnesses as well. he's also being told not to intimidate any potential witnesses, there will be some restrictions potentially on what he could post on social media. so those are the conditions that have already been set, he'll be free to go at that point. we think it might take an hour or longer, and we know he'll make his way backin and we know he'll make his way back in that motorcade towards the airport. already he has a 9pm interview scheduled with newsmax, which is a fox news competitor and conservative leaning news outlet. once again, as we've seen in the previous three criminal cases, donald trump certainly taking

advantage of the opportunity to use this as a campaign stop, if you will, making it notjust legal but political. and it's worth pointing out that this jail is open 20 a7, and he defendants could turn themselves into any time but he chose to route the arrive at 7pm which is prime time in the us. , ., ., , 7pm which is prime time in the us. joe, as we look at these ictures us. joe, as we look at these pictures again _ us. joe, as we look at these pictures again in _ us. joe, as we look at these pictures again in atlanta, i us. joe, as we look at these l pictures again in atlanta, one of the questions i was asked is whether this trial would be televised and that is apparently the case. what element does that add to a trial? . �* , , trial? that's interesting because _ trial? that's interesting because the _ trial? that's interesting because the televisingl trial? that's interesting l because the televising of trials _ because the televising of trials is _ because the televising of trials is a pretty controversial topic here in this— controversial topic here in this country, and the federal level— this country, and the federal level since the 1930s, it's basically been barred, so you won't — basically been barred, so you won't get _ basically been barred, so you won't get any video of any criminai— won't get any video of any criminal trials. at the state level. _ criminal trials. at the state level. it's _ criminal trials. at the state level, it's state—by—state, so you _ level, it's state—by—state, so you have _ level, it's state—by—state, so you have places like new york

where — you have places like new york where i'm _ you have places like new york where i'm from, where it's relatively— where i'm from, where it's relatively part all the time, therr— relatively part all the time, then you _ relatively part all the time, then you have seats where it's very— then you have seats where it's very common to have trials on television _ very common to have trials on television —— states where it's very— television —— states where it's very common. the criticism is that— very common. the criticism is that sometimesjurors very common. the criticism is that sometimes jurors and witnesses don't feel safe, so there — witnesses don't feel safe, so there is— witnesses don't feel safe, so there is the security aspect of it. another criticism is that the — it. another criticism is that the concern is thatjudges, ruayhe _ the concern is thatjudges, maybe even lawyers are playing out for — maybe even lawyers are playing out for the cameras, so they arent— out for the cameras, so they aren't focused so much on the trial, — aren't focused so much on the trial, trut— aren't focused so much on the trial, but their public image. so there's— trial, but their public image. so there's people who feel very strongly— so there's people who feel very strongly on the one hand that as a _ strongly on the one hand that as a public way of transparency, we should be able to view— transparency, we should be able to view trials, and others that feel like — to view trials, and others that feel like well trials should be public, — feel like well trials should be public, and therefore you can io public, and therefore you can go into— public, and therefore you can go into a _ public, and therefore you can go into a courtroom, putting them — go into a courtroom, putting them on _ go into a courtroom, putting them on the television camera is a bit — them on the television camera is a bit too _ them on the television camera is a bit too far.— is a bit too far. john, what's the sense — is a bit too far. john, what's the sense they _ is a bit too far. john, what's the sense they are - is a bit too far. john, what's the sense they are in - is a bit too far. john, what's| the sense they are in atlanta about the televising of this trial? is their scepticism over whether this is a good idea? i

don't think so because here in georgia, — don't think so because here in georgia, most— don't think so because here in georgia, most criminal- don't think so because here in georgia, most criminal trials. georgia, most criminal trials are televised. _ georgia, most criminal trials are televised. it _ georgia, most criminal trials are televised. it would - georgia, most criminal trials are televised. it would be i georgia, most criminal trials i are televised. it would be more problematic— are televised. it would be more problematic not— are televised. it would be more problematic not to _ are televised. it would be more problematic not to televise - problematic not to televise this— problematic not to televise this one _ problematic not to televise this one locally. _ problematic not to televise this one locally. that - problematic not to televise this one locally. that said, | this one locally. that said, public— this one locally. that said, public opinion— this one locally. that said, public opinion has - this one locally. that said, public opinion has shifted, j this one locally. that said, - public opinion has shifted, i'm thing — public opinion has shifted, i'm thing track— public opinion has shifted, i'm thing back to _ public opinion has shifted, i'm thing back to the _ public opinion has shifted, i'm thing back to the oj _ public opinion has shifted, i'm thing back to the oj simpson i thing back to the oj simpson trial— thing back to the oj simpson trial track— thing back to the oj simpson trial back in _ thing back to the oj simpson trial back in los _ thing back to the oj simpson trial back in los angeles - thing back to the oj simpson trial back in los angeles and| trial back in los angeles and the large _ trial back in los angeles and the large crowd _ trial back in los angeles and the large crowd and - trial back in los angeles and the large crowd and chaoticl the large crowd and chaotic atmosphere _ the large crowd and chaotic atmosphere that— the large crowd and chaoticl atmosphere that surrounded the large crowd and chaotic- atmosphere that surrounded the courthouse — atmosphere that surrounded the courthouse during _ atmosphere that surrounded the courthouse during that - atmosphere that surrounded the courthouse during that trial. - courthouse during that trial. so public _ courthouse during that trial. so public opinion _ courthouse during that trial. so public opinion may - courthouse during that trial. so public opinion may shift. courthouse during that trial. i so public opinion may shift on this issue _ so public opinion may shift on this issue as— so public opinion may shift on this issue as these _ so public opinion may shift on this issue as these trials - so public opinion may shift on this issue as these trials get l this issue as these trials get under— this issue as these trials get under way— this issue as these trials get underway and _ this issue as these trials get under way and media - this issue as these trials get under way and media caps l this issue as these trials get l under way and media caps out this issue as these trials get - under way and media caps out in large _ under way and media caps out in large groups— under way and media caps out in large groups of— under way and media caps out in large groups of protesters - under way and media caps out in large groups of protesters and l large groups of protesters and counter — large groups of protesters and counter protesters _ large groups of protesters and counter protesters to - large groups of protesters and counter protesters to on - counter protesters to on downtown _ counter protesters to on downtown atlanta. - counter protesters to on downtown atlanta. but i counter protesters to on . downtown atlanta. but for counter protesters to on - downtown atlanta. but for now, it's viewed — downtown atlanta. but for now, it's viewed not _ downtown atlanta. but for now, it's viewed not within _ it's viewed not within difference, _ it's viewed not within difference, but - it's viewed not within difference, but that i it's viewed not within i difference, but that this it's viewed not within - difference, but that this is a good — difference, but that this is a good sign _ difference, but that this is a good sign that— difference, but that this is a good sign that this - difference, but that this is a good sign that this case - difference, but that this is a good sign that this case is l good sign that this case is being _ good sign that this case is being treated _ good sign that this case is being treated like - good sign that this case is being treated like others. good sign that this case is| being treated like others in fulton— being treated like others in fulton county. _ being treated like others in fulton county.— being treated like others in fulton county. sarah, what's our fulton county. sarah, what's yourthoughts— fulton county. sarah, what's your thoughts about - fulton county. sarah, what's your thoughts about this? i fulton county. sarah, what'sj your thoughts about this? as fulton county. sarah, what's l your thoughts about this? as a formerfederal your thoughts about this? as a former federal prosecutor? what's your sense of whether this is a good idea and how prosecutors prepare for the fact that charles could be televised?—

fact that charles could be televised? , ,, g ., televised? listen, like joe, i've grown _ televised? listen, like joe, i've grown up _ televised? listen, like joe, i've grown up as _ televised? listen, like joe, i've grown up as a - televised? listen, like joe, i've grown up as a lawyer. televised? listen, like joe, | i've grown up as a lawyer in new york i've grown up as a lawyer in new yori— new york -- trials can be televised. _ new york -- trials can be televised. so _ new york -- trials can be televised. so the - new york -- trials can be televised. so the idea - new york -- trials can be| televised. so the idea that new york -- trials can be i televised. so the idea that a -- of a televised _ televised. so the idea that a -- of a televised trial - televised. so the idea that a -- of a televised trial in - televised. so the idea that a -- of a televised trial in a i —— of a televised trial in a courtroom is pretty foreign to me, and i think it would cause some challenges to the process certainly. in a place like georgia where this is common and they know how to handle it and they know how to handle it and it is expected, you know, it will be done a different way. i do think what's interesting, we see the interplay of the televised trial and the speedy trial issues, we may see earlier trials of folks that are less culpable and certainly lower down on the indictment, and that would be very interesting to watch those trials before we have the trials of the more significant players in this scheme. significant players in this scheme-— significant players in this scheme. ~ ., ., . , scheme. we are watching this motorcade. — scheme. we are watching this motorcade, it _ scheme. we are watching this motorcade, it takes _ scheme. we are watching this motorcade, it takes about - scheme. we are watching this| motorcade, it takes about half an hour, ia miles from the airport to the fulton county jail. again, you see there's no

traffic for the former president. joe, i know we have to let you go, but when this does go to trial, what will you be looking for? i does go to trial, what will you be looking for?— be looking for? i guess i'll be lookin: be looking for? i guess i'll be looking for— be looking for? i guess i'll be looking for all— be looking for? i guess i'll be looking for all the _ be looking for? i guess i'll be looking for all the pretrial - looking for all the pretrial motions and a lot of the legal issues — motions and a lot of the legal issues we've been discussing. but then, _ issues we've been discussing. but then, assuming it does go to trial, — but then, assuming it does go to trial, whether it's in georgia _ to trial, whether it's in georgia state court or georgia federal— georgia state court or georgia federal court, which is a possibility, i'll be looking really _ possibility, i'll be looking really for the prosecution's evidence. they've laid out some grand _ evidence. they've laid out some grand legal theories, but an indictment — remember, that's the government's story, there's nothing — the government's story, there's nothing about the defence in there. — nothing about the defence in there, it's a one—sided story — so an— there, it's a one—sided story — so an indictment can sound extremely powerful, but then the defence has a chance to fight — the defence has a chance to fight back. so i'll be very fightback. so i'll be very curious— fight back. so i'll be very curious to see — i think the trig — curious to see — i think the trig thing _ curious to see — i think the big thing for me is the state of mind _ big thing for me is the state of mind. can donald trump credibly— of mind. can donald trump credibly argue that he really believed he won the election,

idoth— believed he won the election, both in— believed he won the election, both in georgia and elsewhere, and that— both in georgia and elsewhere, and that it was determinative on a — and that it was determinative on a national level? if he can establish _ on a national level? if he can establish doubt in the eyes of the jury— establish doubt in the eyes of the jury that someone feels that— the jury that someone feels that he _ the jury that someone feels that he deep down really thought he won, and all these things— thought he won, and all these things he _ thought he won, and all these things he did were to try to right— things he did were to try to right a _ things he did were to try to right a wrong in his mind, he has — right a wrong in his mind, he hasa— right a wrong in his mind, he has a chance to beat these charges _ has a chance to beat these charges. on the other hand if it's so— charges. on the other hand if it's so absurd that there is so much — it's so absurd that there is so much evidence that donald trump was told _ much evidence that donald trump was told time and again, "you lost, — was told time and again, "you lost, mr— was told time and again, "you lost, mr president, you lost the election," then no matter what — the election," then no matter what he — the election," then no matter what he says about what he thought _ what he says about what he thought deep down, but not cut it. thought deep down, but not cut it the — thought deep down, but not cut it the jury— thought deep down, but not cut it. the jury might say, "he knew— it. the jury might say, "he knew he _ it. the jury might say, "he knew he was lying, he was perpetrating a fraud, and we'll find him — perpetrating a fraud, and we'll find him guilty."— find him guilty." joe, last question. _ find him guilty." joe, last question, but _ find him guilty." joe, last question, but what - find him guilty." joe, last question, but what about j find him guilty." joe, last - question, but what about the recordings? they would appear to be pretty strong evidence of him talking to georgia officials saying, "i just want you to find more votes." he will say _ you to find more votes." he will say he _ you to find more votes." he will say he believed, in all

the — will say he believed, in all the different kind of covid type — the different kind of covid type conspiracies about all these _ type conspiracies about all these mail—in ballots and efforts _ these mail—in ballots and efforts made to change the way voting _ efforts made to change the way voting was done back in 2020, were _ voting was done back in 2020, were all— voting was done back in 2020, were all part of this conspiracy and he believes he won, _ conspiracy and he believes he won, and _ conspiracy and he believes he won, and he'll say, "i wasjust telling — won, and he'll say, "i wasjust telling the _ won, and he'll say, "i wasjust telling the secretary of state in georgia the basically correct _ in georgia the basically correct the record, because i know— correct the record, because i know i— correct the record, because i know i won, we just have to change _ know i won, we just have to change the outcome because that's— change the outcome because that's the right thing to do." it that's the right thing to do." it sounds _ that's the right thing to do." it sounds crazy, but again, all he has — it sounds crazy, but again, all he has to— it sounds crazy, but again, all he has to do is raise doubt in the minds _ he has to do is raise doubt in the minds of one juror. joe, the minds of one 'uror. joe, thanks very _ the minds of one juror. joe, thanks very much, - the minds of one juror. joe, thanks very much, great - the minds of one juror. joe, thanks very much, great for your insights. sarah, whatjoe just said, is that a compelling argument?— just said, is that a compelling argument? absolutely, i think that's where _ argument? absolutely, i think that's where this _ argument? absolutely, i think that's where this trial - argument? absolutely, i think that's where this trial will - that's where this trial will go. as we see this all play out, i think trump has already raised publicly some of the issues he'll raise as his defences, and there may be some

traction with the jury at the end of thej, asjoe said, he needs to convince just one person here —— at the end of the day. so the burden is on the day. so the burden is on the government, on the people of georgia for a reason and his legal team will need to do what it can to make sure it holds the people to that burden. obviously a jury would be drawn from there in fulton county, how much is this case impacted on atlanta and georgia? this case is bringing a lot of attention to how the election results played out there. it’s results played out there. it's interesting. _ results played out there. it's interesting, individuals in fulton— interesting, individuals in fulton county, there's almost a sense _ fulton county, there's almost a sense of— fulton county, there's almost a sense of pride that this case is happening in georgia and that— is happening in georgia and that the _ is happening in georgia and that the rule of law that georgia holds dear is being upheld. _ georgia holds dear is being upheld, regardless of who the defendant is. on the other hand. _ defendant is. on the other hand, these are early days and

this is— hand, these are early days and this is an — hand, these are early days and this is an easy view to have when — this is an easy view to have when we've only seen the district _ when we've only seen the district attorney's point of view, _ district attorney's point of view, i_ district attorney's point of view, i think that's a very important point for the viewers to take — important point for the viewers to take note of, we've only heard _ to take note of, we've only heard one side. a grand jury hearing _ heard one side. a grand jury hearing that offence does not present — hearing that offence does not present any evidence, so therefore we are seeing a one—sided version of the story. and once — one—sided version of the story. and once the defence has had their— and once the defence has had their say, _ and once the defence has had their say, the public view may change — their say, the public view may change quite quickly, and that's— change quite quickly, and that's the fulton county point of view — that's the fulton county point of view. georgia at large i think— of view. georgia at large i think is— of view. georgia at large i think is more troubled by this case — think is more troubled by this case and _ think is more troubled by this case and much more divided. john, — case and much more divided. john, just _ case and much more divided. john, just to follow up on that, what do you there in atlanta that we could hear from the former president? is that he did indeed believe he? i think that's part of it, it can also — think that's part of it, it can also be _ think that's part of it, it can also be an— think that's part of it, it can also be an argument that he was simply— also be an argument that he was simply being rhetorically flamboyant, which is quite known _ flamboyant, which is quite known to do as well, a lot of his twitter— known to do as well, a lot of his twitter posts are

over—the—top and quite often he doesn't — over—the—top and quite often he doesn't mean them it seems. whether— doesn't mean them it seems. whether or not he's willing to have — whether or not he's willing to have that _ whether or not he's willing to have that put forward as his argument, i'm not sure because i would _ argument, i'm not sure because i would undermine his candidacy for president. that's an interesting part of this interplay as his case moves forward, _ interplay as his case moves forward, is how does candidate trump — forward, is how does candidate trump interact with defendant trump, — trump interact with defendant trump, and can his lawyers rein in candidate trump which might do a _ in candidate trump which might do a lot— in candidate trump which might do a lot of— in candidate trump which might do a lot of harm to the defence team? — do a lot of harm to the defence team? ~ ., ., ., ., team? we are hearing that that motorcade _ team? we are hearing that that motorcade is — team? we are hearing that that motorcade is getting _ team? we are hearing that that motorcade is getting very - team? we are hearing that that motorcade is getting very close | motorcade is getting very close to the phone countyjail, just a few minutes out, we'll have our correspondent monitoring, but sarah, one more question to you before we see that motorcade arrive at the fulton county jail, motorcade arrive at the fulton countyjail, how important it is a localjury in a trial? because this is something we've heard trump's legal team bring up heard trump's legal team bring up time and again, whether it's a case in new york or florida. the issue here in the president

is merely a big deal about this. how