welcome to our ongoing coverage of donald trump surrendering to authorities in atlanta. we saw him make his way down the stairs of the plane, as supporters like to call it, trump force one. he made his journey of 22 kilometres to the fulton countyjail. helicopters fulton county jail. helicopters gave fulton countyjail. helicopters gave us bird's—eye view of the trip. he pulled up to the jail just after 7:30pm local time. a bit behind schedule. inside, he was fingerprinted and had his mugshot taken we will have more details as they come in to us as they are delivered by the fulton countyjail. we see people gathered alongside the street for the president's motorcade, the former president rather, as he heads back to

hartsfield—jackson international airport. i want to bring in a former republican congressman rodney davis, summer we have spoken to on this programme many times. great to have your back. i want to get your take on these images and what we have seen, once again another indictment and surrender of the former president. it and surrender of the former president-— president. it is great to be back on and, _ president. it is great to be back on and, frankly, - president. it is great to be | back on and, frankly, many americans arejust kind back on and, frankly, many americans are just kind of yawning at another indictment. many americans in rural america where i live, just truly believe there is a 2—tiered system ofjustice and this indictment is not stopping them from watching wheel of fortune or real housewives of beverly hills, they are just moving or real housewives of beverly hills, they arejust moving on and they truly believe that the president is being targeted. now, i think the president has put himself in his own legal jeopardy, especially with the classified document indictment. this indictment, we will see if

it is something that will lead to the crimes he has been charged with. we to the crimes he has been charged with.— to the crimes he has been charged with. to the crimes he has been charued with. ~ ., g ., charged with. we have josh from politico. welcome. _ charged with. we have josh from politico. welcome. we're - politico. welcome. we're looking at the pictures the former president's motorcade headed back to the app what are your impressions?— your impressions? everyone of this is extraordinary. _ your impressions? everyone of this is extraordinary. some - your impressions? everyone of this is extraordinary. some ofl this is extraordinary. some of the atmosphere around this one is a little — the atmosphere around this one is a little different in terms of him _ is a little different in terms of him actually having to go to a jail— of him actually having to go to a jail and _ of him actually having to go to a jail and the possibility of a mugshot, which did not happen the test— mugshot, which did not happen the last three times that the former— the last three times that the former president was essentially booked or arraigned but otherwise, it has, as the congressman wasjust but otherwise, it has, as the congressman was just think, it has become something of a routine _ has become something of a routine. there is a sort of a degree _ routine. there is a sort of a degree of— routine. there is a sort of a degree of security arrangements and of— degree of security arrangements and of the trappings of a former— and of the trappings of a former president moving around but either— former president moving around but either than that it is something i think,

unfortunately, people have gotten _ unfortunately, people have gotten used about former president trump. what we are waiting — president trump. what we are waiting to _ president trump. what we are waiting to see is exactly how does — waiting to see is exactly how does he _ waiting to see is exactly how does he go about trying to use this event— does he go about trying to use this event that took place to his advantage. i have already received _ his advantage. i have already received a fundraising e—mail from — received a fundraising e—mail from him _ received a fundraising e—mail from him before he was even hooked — from him before he was even booked and as your correspondent mentioned earlier, _ correspondent mentioned earlier, he is going to be making _ earlier, he is going to be making a media appearance or he is expected to in the next couple _ is expected to in the next couple of hours once these proceedings wrapup. indeed, we are exnecting — proceedings wrapup. indeed, we are expecting to _ proceedings wrapup. indeed, we are expecting to see _ proceedings wrapup. indeed, we are expecting to see that. - proceedings wrapup. indeed, we are expecting to see that. he . are expecting to see that. he said he will speak to newsmax 9pm local time and it is a pm now. sarah krisoff still with us. we are expecting to see a mugshot? what makes that a significant difference? the other case _ significant difference? the other case that _ significant difference? the other case that authorities decided _ other case that authorities decided not _ other case that authorities

decided not to _ other case that authorities decided not to take - other case that authorities decided not to take one, l other case that authorities - decided not to take one, there is no _ decided not to take one, there is no issue _ decided not to take one, there is no issue about _ decided not to take one, there is no issue about what - decided not to take one, there is no issue about what donaldl is no issue about what donald trump — is no issue about what donald trump iooks _ is no issue about what donald trump looks like, _ is no issue about what donald trump looks like, no- is no issue about what donald trump looks like, no need - is no issue about what donald trump looks like, no need toi trump looks like, no need to capture — trump looks like, no need to capture his _ trump looks like, no need to capture his likeness, - trump looks like, no need to capture his likeness, but - trump looks like, no need to capture his likeness, but in l capture his likeness, but in futton— capture his likeness, but in fulton county— capture his likeness, but in fulton county they - capture his likeness, but in fulton county they decided j capture his likeness, but in . fulton county they decided to handle — fulton county they decided to handle mr— fulton county they decided to handle mr trump's— fulton county they decided to handle mr trump's looking i fulton county they decided to handle mr trump's looking asj handle mr trump's looking as they— handle mr trump's looking as they would _ handle mr trump's looking as they would everybody - handle mr trump's looking as they would everybody else, l handle mr trump's looking as. they would everybody else, not deviate — they would everybody else, not deviate from _ they would everybody else, not deviate from any— they would everybody else, not deviate from any of— they would everybody else, not deviate from any of the - deviate from any of the procedure _ deviate from any of the procedure so _ deviate from any of the procedure so they- deviate from any of the procedure so they will. deviate from any of the i procedure so they will do deviate from any of the - procedure so they will do it exactly _ procedure so they will do it exactly the _ procedure so they will do it exactly the same _ procedure so they will do it exactly the same way - procedure so they will do it exactly the same way theyl procedure so they will do it . exactly the same way they do procedure so they will do it - exactly the same way they do it for every— exactly the same way they do it for every other— exactly the same way they do it for every other defender - exactly the same way they do it for every other defender which i for every other defender which nreans— for every other defender which means take _ for every other defender which means take a _ for every other defender which means take a mugshot - for every other defender which means take a mugshot and - means take a mugshot and publish _ means take a mugshot and publish it _ means take a mugshot and publish it. that— means take a mugshot and publish it. that is- means take a mugshot and publish it. that is what- means take a mugshot and publish it. that is what wel means take a mugshot and i publish it. that is what we are seeing — publish it. that is what we are seeing here _ publish it. that is what we are seeing here and _ publish it. that is what we are seeing here and we _ publish it. that is what we are seeing here and we will- publish it. that is what we are seeing here and we will see i seeing here and we will see this— seeing here and we will see this picture _ seeing here and we will see this picture surface. - this picture surface. congressman, - this picture surface. congressman, what| this picture surface. i congressman, what do this picture surface. - congressman, what do you this picture surface. _ congressman, what do you think the political impact of all of this is? we heard josh say the former president has been able to use this to his advantage. do you anticipate that to be the same in this event as well? 100%. there is nobody that plays the victim better than donaldj trump. all you had to do was watch the republican debate last night to realise that trump is playing all of them. he was never going to show up to that debate and even

without donald trump that debate turned into a circus that the moderator could not control. itjust shows you how our presidential candidates in the republican party view how to run for president and that is a shame. but donald trump, it does not matter where he goes, what media outlet he decides to speak to, every single media outlet will cover that interview so when you mention he is going on newsmax, i'm not surprised because the bbc and every other major media outlet will cover that like it is a state of the union address and that is something that donald trump knows he can use to his advantage as he went, in his mind, in the court of public opinion, versus the court where he has been indicted. court where he has been indicted-— court where he has been indicted. ., ., indicted. carl, we have new court records. _ indicted. carl, we have new court records. what - indicted. carl, we have new court records. what can - indicted. carl, we have new| court records. what can you tell us? a ,

court records. what can you tell us? , ., , court records. what can you tellus? , tell us? many of these court records and _ tell us? many of these court records and jail _ tell us? many of these court records and jail records - tell us? many of these court records and jail records out | records and jail records out are available very quickly online to the public and what we have found is there is already a listing, a jail booking record in the fulton county system for eight donald j county system for eight donald j trump so already, just a few minutes after the former president let this jailhouse, there is now a record for his appearance. it lists his residence as palm beach and recorded his height, weight, eye colour and hair colour. all of those details now are public and within that booking document available online on the fulton county website. we will have to wait and see whether or not what follows is a mugshot that will be published on the website as well and made public. interestingly, as we mentioned, the sheriff here saying he wants to treat everybody the same and these defendants to go

for the same process that other criminal defendants would go through. this is part of that system so all of that information being entered in a process that about 25 minutes, in and out very fast. donald trump already back to the airport but leaving behind that information into the criminal records here in fulton county. and i want to ring and morgan cloud, a law professor. we have been looking at these images of the former president heading back to the airport. i just want to get your sense, if you could put into perspective how significant this is for this fulton county gel to be processing 19 codefendants on election interference charges? that is what they do at the jail. what is interesting, a number of your guests have commented on how he been treated, how the defendants in this case are being treated like any other arrestee and to some extent is absolutely true,

for all the reasons they have pointed out. i do want to suggest a couple of other things. in and out in 25 minutes is not normal. typically, an arrestee will sit in a jail cell, typically, an arrestee will sit in ajail cell, in typically, an arrestee will sit in a jail cell, in this very wretched facility, for a few hours, maybe even a day or two before they get before a charge. ——judge. it is not unusual in a crime where there is no violent alleged. an arrangement of bail so that they do not have to spend time in this wretched lock—up but this really... i am sure if you're looking at footage of the motorcade back to the apple, you are seeing a wide interstate and i guarantee you, thatis interstate and i guarantee you, that is not the case for any other person, let alone a arrestee, clearing the highways. in some ways, this

prosecution has been exemplary for treating the defendant like other defendants, in other ways it is still a former president. anyone who has been in atlanta knows those traffic free highways are certainly are not normal at all. josh, we have seen earlier today reports that one of the codefendants, keneth chesebro had proposed a speedy trial. and that has been accepted. what does this mean for this case?— for this case? well, this show is really you _ for this case? well, this show is really you have _ for this case? well, this show is really you have four- is really you have four different cases involving the former president. two in the federal system into in the state system, one is up in new york city, the hush money case involving the payments before the 2016 election and now this case and in georgia and each of those systems has its own rules and the system in georgia allows a defendant to demand a speedy trial and in almost all cases to actually get one. in the federal system they

demanded but they do not get a general. it is interesting to see that we have keneth chesebro and perhaps others will make a similar request, to have his portion of the trial accelerated. there are 19 defendants in this case down in atlanta and so far one of them has elected to get the case to trial in october. trump the attorneys seem to be taking the opposite track and asking for extended delays in other cases he is facing and we are expecting them to make a similar request in this case in atlanta. it is a way of trying to call the prosecutors a bluff, is a term you might use, to try to draw out evidence and obviously they have multiple trials, not only is it a significant burden on the prosecution, against any defendant that goes, a significant advantage to see how the prosecution goes. we

will see how this happens on that timeline. a lot of times things get delayed despite the plans of the judge and the parties on all sides. sarah, we have seen _ parties on all sides. sarah, we have seen some _ parties on all sides. sarah, we have seen some of _ parties on all sides. sarah, we have seen some of the - have seen some of the codefendants, including the former chief of staff, mark meadows, trying to get the trial out of the georgia state court system. is there a fair argument to be made for that? i argument to be made for that? i think there is. i mean, ithink think there is. i mean, i think it is unlikely that they are successful in those arguments but they have some legs, particularly mark meadows's argument here. we saw the former president tried to remove his case in new york as well, the federal court, and the federaljudge said no, it is not an appropriate matter forfederal removal but is not an appropriate matter for federal removal but if trump tries to make the same argument again in the georgia case, it will be more contentious, it is a better

argument in the georgia case and we will have to see what judge it lands before and how amendable thatjudge is to that position. amendable that 'udge is to that osition. ., , , ., position. congressmen, iwant to net position. congressmen, iwant to get your _ position. congressmen, iwant to get your perspective - position. congressmen, iwant to get your perspective on - position. congressmen, iwant to get your perspective on thisj to get your perspective on this as well. what you make of the fact we have seen some of the former president's innermost circle, including rudy giuliani, mark meadows, john eastman, also indicted here, what does it tell us about the prosecutor's strategy? these are people very close to the former president, people who might actually be willing to provide information on him or will they follow the line that they support the former president and continued to say the previous election was stolen? , , , ., ., stolen? ripples have read clearly shown _ stolen? ripples have read clearly shown that - stolen? ripples have read clearly shown that the - stolen? ripples have read i clearly shown that the trump administration or the trump campaign and donald trump will use mark meadows has given plenty of information to prosecutors but those of us who have lived through the aftermath of the 2020 election

and up to january six and the aftermath of that, none of us are surprised of the indictment, the clown show lawyer team that donald trump had that convinced him that somehow the election was stolen, even though there were over 60 in the court of law offering challenges and no—one is surprised that mark meadows has been indicted. mark does have a case to say that i ought to have... i ought to be covered under the federal court system, i agree with your other guests but in the end, i know from my own experience working with president trump and his administration, especially in the last year, there was not a single decision made without mark meadows being engaged in that decision and i would assume that throughout this entire process, with rudy giuliani and the others, like

sidney powell, and this concoction thatjohn eastman concoction that john eastman put concoction thatjohn eastman put together, i'm shocked mark meadows was right there in the room and write that all the way. we'll find out once the case begins. way. we'll find out once the case begins— case begins. looking, congressmen, - case begins. looking, congressmen, the - case begins. looking, - congressmen, the former president's atakan has reached the tarmac, outside the former president's plan. media have gathered. we are expecting to see the former president come out and get back into his plane as the flies back. i guess the key question here, is whether the former president really did believe that the election was stolen or if he himself was convinced by his lawyers? that goes to the point your guest was just making. one of the important tactics that's going to be destroyed notjust by mr meadows but bite mr trump

and has been tried by another descendant who was a federal employee is removing the case to the federal court. get it out of the state court. this should not — in my view, this should not — in my view, this should not — in my view, this should not be successful because federal law allows removal by a federal prosecution of a government employee orformer prosecution of a government employee or former employee for actions within the scope of their duties or authority as an employee and the case that had been made in the indictment is a very strong case to say whatever these people were doing it was not within their authority. the president has no authority. the president has no authority to intervene in vote counting in the presidential election. certainly his chief of staff does it and quite frankly miss willis's team filed a stunning memorandum in court last night, making these points. and so, this could

happen, but if it does it would not be a shock but it would be a surprise. on the other hand, this point of severing cases is really complicated in georgia because mr chesebro's rights under georgia voll... i because mr chesebro's rights under georgia voll. . .- because mr chesebro's rights under georgia voll. .. i am 'ust auoin to under georgia voll. .. i am 'ust going to jumping fl under georgia voll. .. i am 'ust going to jumping quickly h going to jumping quickly because going tojumping quickly because we are seeing the former president come to speak. if you challenge an election you should be able to challenge an election. i thought the election was a rigged election, a election. i should have my right to do that. we have seen people over the years do the same thing whether it is hillary clinton or stacey abram or many others. when you have the great freedom to challenge you can have very dishonest elections. what has taken place here is a travesty ofjustice. we did nothing wrong. i did nothing wrong. and everybody knows that. i have never had such support and that goes with

the other ones too. they are doing election interference. there has never been anything like it in our country before. this is their way of campaigning. this is one instance but you have three other instances. it is election interference so i want to thank you for being here. we have done nothing wrong at all and we have every single right to challenge an election that we think is dishonest, that we think is dishonest, that we think is dishonest, that we think is very dishonest. so, thank you all very much and i will see you very soon. mil will see you very soon. all right. those _ will see you very soon. all right. those comments from the former president as he gets back onto his plane. congressman davis, do you believe that this was interference, this indictment? no. obviously the president and his team went a lot further than what any of us wish that he would have done. i was there on january he would have done. i was there onjanuary 6. i was going onto the floors. i was evacuated with the other members of

congress from the floor right before ashli babbitt was shot and killed in the capitol. it is a day that i will never forget along with the baseball shooting that i was a part of but these are the days part of american history and donald trump had the ability to make a decision on who to trust and who to listen to. he decided he wanted to listen to advice from individuals that were even his attorneys that was wrong, and donald trump, if he had ofjust done what many other former presidents or candidates did, they let members of candidates challenge the electoral states in different states. i watched jamie raskin do that when donald trump's electoral victory was being certified and ironically it was then vice president biden who shut him down. i watched others likejim mcgovern bring objections up. let the process play out. let

the objections play out. but unfortunately those objections were interrupted by the riots that happened onjanuary 6, and donald trump now is going to be held accountable for those decisions because of that. sarah, what is your thoughts on this? ., ., , ., this? yeah, i mean, it is hard to - the _ this? yeah, i mean, it is hard to - the former— this? yeah, i mean, it is hard to - the former president - this? yeah, i mean, it is hard to - the former president is l to — the former president is saving — to — the former president is saying this is part of the process _ saying this is part of the process. we should be allowed to do— process. we should be allowed to do this _ process. we should be allowed to do this. but i think challenging the election is very— challenging the election is very different than the conduct that is— very different than the conduct that is alleged in this indictment and also in the election— indictment and also in the election interference federal indictment. so, he is effectively, very effectively sort — effectively, very effectively sort of _ effectively, very effectively sort of conflating two different things. one is the proper— different things. one is the proper channels, the proper procedures to challenge an election. the other is engaging in criminal— election. the other is engaging in criminal enterprises, as alleged _ in criminal enterprises, as alleged in this indictment, criminal—

alleged in this indictment, criminal conspiracy is to affect— criminal conspiracy is to affect the outcome of the election. affect the outcome of the election-— affect the outcome of the election. , ., , ., election. josh, what did you think of what _ election. josh, what did you think of what the _ election. josh, what did you think of what the president | think of what the president said, saying that he should be able to challenge an election. that is what hillary clinton and, pointing to georgia, stacey abram said. figs and, pointing to georgia, stacey abram said. as with many thin . s we stacey abram said. as with many things we get _ stacey abram said. as with many things we get from _ stacey abram said. as with many things we get from former - things we get from former president trump there is a kernel of truth in it but he takes it to a degree where it probably is notjustified. some people have given the example of if a bank owes you money you can go into the bank and told the manager that they need to give you that money, but you cannot go to the teller and flash a weapon at her and said "put $100,000 in this bad" because you think the bank owes you money and the question is when this call was made by former president, then president trump to the officials in the georgia elections bureau telling them that they need to define 11,700 odd votes, was that a request or was it actually a suggestion

that they make up votes out of nothing, which would clearly be an improperand nothing, which would clearly be an improper and illegal request and that is why, i think, if this case does go to trial, this case does go to trial, this case does go to trial, this case and the pedal one that was just mentioned — part of the issue will be does a iurv of the issue will be does a jury believe that was a legitimate and reasonable request or was it actually a criminal proposal that these officials engage in some type officials engage in some type of fraud to make it look like the former president won that election in 2020 and that is what a jury will have to settle. what a “my will have to settle. ~ ., ., ., what a “my will have to settle. a, ., ., i. what a “my will have to settle. ., ., , settle. morgan, when do you see a 'u settle. morgan, when do you see a jury coming _ settle. morgan, when do you see a jury coming down _ settle. morgan, when do you see a jury coming down on _ settle. morgan, when do you see a jury coming down on this? - settle. morgan, when do you see a jury coming down on this? we l a jury coming down on this? we have the recordings and many of us have that add them of the president speaking to george officials and asking them to find more votes?— officials and asking them to find more votes? one of the most provocative _ find more votes? one of the most provocative things - find more votes? one of the . most provocative things coming out of all of these investigations is the number of qualified, highly regarded lawyers and advisers who told mr trump there was not election

fraud sufficient to overturn the election results. whether it was the attorney—general, the white house counsel, the acting white house counsel, it goes on and on and he chose, he says, to believe other people and quite honestly there will be evidence at the trial and the juries get to decide who do we believe, and just because if mr trump said we believe, and just because if mrtrump said "i we believe, and just because if mr trump said "i really believed a one" the jury does not have to accept that if there is overwhelming evidence from other sources that know that he was given plenty of information and a reasonable person would have had to believe he lost. so, that part of his defence i think is surprisingly weakfor all of his defence i think is surprisingly weak for all the attention it gets.— surprisingly weak for all the attention it gets. morgan, to follow op _ attention it gets. morgan, to follow up on _ attention it gets. morgan, to follow up on that, _ attention it gets. morgan, to follow up on that, what - attention it gets. morgan, to . follow up on that, what happens next is now in georgia? now that we have seen the former president surrender and most of the codefendants surrender? the

chesebro the codefendants surrender? the: chesebro request the codefendants surrender? ti;e: chesebro request for the codefendants surrender? ti9: chesebro request for a speedy trial, that is handled expeditiously and ministerial eat in georgia. he is entitled to that and he is entitled to a trial before november six for the trial to begin of this year and so october 23 was the date proposed by the prosecutor and accepted by the judge. proposed by the prosecutor and accepted by thejudge. he is entitled to that date. now what is going to happen is there is going to bejust a is going to happen is there is going to be just a tremendous volume of what is called motion practice for a lot of defendants looking to sever and waving their speedy trial rights, say "i am not ready" and so on. so i think that is going to be the next batch of action. i am going to be the next batch of action. iam not going to be the next batch of action. i am not expecting the removal petitions to the federal court to do much other than delaying the case. as

other business is going to make for a lot of work for a lot of lawyers. for a lot of work for a lot of lawyers-— for a lot of work for a lot of la ers. , , :, :, , :, lawyers. just one more question to follow op _ lawyers. just one more question to follow up on _ lawyers. just one more question to follow up on that, _ lawyers. just one more question to follow up on that, waiting - to follow up on that, waiting for the former president to take off again, you do anticipate that fani willis will try and prevent these codefendants cases from be severed from each other, correct?— severed from each other, correct? �* , , :, ., correct? be benefit in georgia is the kind _ correct? be benefit in georgia is the kind of _ correct? be benefit in georgia is the kind of general- is the kind of general preference in the courts is to keep defendants together and it is called judicial economy. we don't want 19 trials with the same witnesses over and over and go on for years. we can just get it done in one proceeding quickly but that intention with the claim of "i need to be severed because i am not ready to go to trial in october." i think the prosecutors definitely want to keep as many defendants in the case at the same time as possible because they have painted a picture of a

nationwide conspiracy in which phone calls in pennsylvania and meetings and phone calls to georgia and harassment workers in georgia all fit into one big scheme and so it is much more profitable for the prosecutor to try to present that evidence once against all the defendants and show how they are linked. i am sure they are going to try to keep it close to one trial as possible but who knows. to say that this isn't new territory is a gross understatement. �* : understatement. been so much. i understand _ understatement. been so much. i understand we — understatement. been so much. i understand we have _ understatement. been so much. i understand we have to _ understatement. been so much. i understand we have to let - understatement. been so much. i understand we have to let you - understand we have to let you go. great to have your insights and, josh, we have to let you go but before we do i want to get your take on this, what morgan was saying. the case being made of the massive conspiracy to interfere with his chances of the upcoming election, this is something

that did play prominently at the debate as well and just before your answer we are going to see the plane taking off for our viewers, to see the plane taking off for ourviewers, but to see the plane taking off for our viewers, but please go ahead. , , ~ our viewers, but please go ahead. , , ,, :, ahead. this is the kind of turnaround _ ahead. this is the kind of turnaround that - ahead. this is the kind of turnaround that the - ahead. this is the kind of i turnaround that the former president likes to engage in. when he says election interference he is i think harkening back to the allegation that were made against him in connection with the 2016 campaign that he included with the russians to interfere in that election, the release of hillary clinton e—mails and democratic party e—mails and democratic party e—mails during that race. he feels that he was improperly and inaccurately accused. unfairly accused of election interference. he is turning the tables on the people that he believed accused him unfairly, saying that they are trying to effectively document out of the race and there are moves by people in the democratic party primarily but other types of

activists to literally kick the former president of the ballot as a result of his activities related to january 6 so this is a defence that is popular not only with his supporters in the republican party but even with those flirting with the possibility of supporting some of the other candidates involved in the debate last night. involved in the debate last night, ., ., involved in the debate last night. ., ., ., night. sarah, we have to let ou no night. sarah, we have to let you go so — night. sarah, we have to let you go so i— night. sarah, we have to let you go so i want _ night. sarah, we have to let you go so i want to - night. sarah, we have to let you go so i want to get - night. sarah, we have to let you go so i want to get in i night. sarah, we have to let i you go so i want to get in one more question before you go. what do you anticipate seeing happen with this georgia trial? we were talking about the fact that we could see codefendants get a speedy trial and others not. what do you think will happen? i not. what do you think will ha--en? ~ not. what do you think will hauen? «a :, , happen? i think strategically the district _ happen? i think strategically the district attorney - happen? i think strategically the district attorney is - the district attorney is thinking "who can we offer plea deals— thinking "who can we offer plea deals too?" "how can we slimmed this down— deals too?" "how can we slimmed this down going forward?" so, i think— this down going forward?" so, i think they— this down going forward?" so, i think they are primarily engaged in those discussions already~ _ engaged in those discussions already. they can narrow this case — already. they can narrow this case down _ already. they can narrow this case down and focus on the core

and then— case down and focus on the core and then they are thinking strategically about how this goes — strategically about how this goes forward in one trial and multiple _ goes forward in one trial and multiple trials. it is very unwieldy to have a child of many _ unwieldy to have a child of many defendants and so they think— many defendants and so they think about that but of course the prosecution here has a strong _ the prosecution here has a strong interest in moving the case — strong interest in moving the case forward. the defence interest, _ case forward. the defence interest, each defendant's interest— interest, each defendant's interest is buried here, so the judge — interest is buried here, so the judge is— interest is buried here, so the judge is going to have to take all of— judge is going to have to take all of those things into account when setting the schedules. a account when setting the schedules.— account when setting the schedules. a very complex schedule _ schedules. a very complex schedule ahead. _ schedules. a very complex schedule ahead. sarah, i schedules. a very complex i schedule ahead. sarah, thank you so much. great to have your insights. we are looking at the former president's plane as it is about to take off from atlanta's airport. it was all very quick, wasn't it? the former president touching down just after 7pm, went to the fulton countyjail just after 7pm, went to the fulton county jail where he surrendered and was booked on

criminal charges. he left and came back to his plane and is flying back to bed mr new jersey and he had advertised he would give an interview to news max and that might be pushed back because he will be in the air but that is what we are expecting to see from the former president. he delivered brief words before getting on the plane saying "i have nothing wrong. you should be able to challenge election results." and he thanked everyone for the support he has been getting so that is what we have got right now when we have congressman davis and brian lanza with us. brian and congressman davis, we can talk a bit about the political impact of this and, brian, i want to get your thoughts first because you were watching the debate on the stage very closely last night. do you think that the former president was indeed the winner? he was not even there.

first of all he was the winner. this only had 12,000 viewers compared to 25,000 viewers when he went to the debate last election. when he is not there, viewers tune. when you look at the numbers, he was a winner but also the content of the debate, he was the over presence in the room even though he was not there. everybody�*s talking about it. people on the stage were mimicking him. he is the centre of gravity in the republican party, there is no denying that. :, , party, there is no denying that. ., , that. he was called the elephant _ that. he was called the elephant not _ that. he was called the elephant not in - that. he was called the elephant not in the - that. he was called the i elephant not in the room. that. he was called the - elephant not in the room. how do you explain that, how does he have such a stronghold in the party even when he's not taking part in the debate? sorry about that. i have to