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president donald trump after his booking in georgia. and the us defense department says it is likely that the head of the wagner mercenary group yevgeny prigozhin was killed in a russian plane crash. i'm sumi somaskanda. thank you forjoining us. we start with an eventful past few hours and the surrendering of donald trump to authorities in the us state of georgia. let's recap how things unfolded. we started with mr trump making his way down the stairs of the plane his supporters like to call trump force one. his motorcade then started the ill—mile journey to the fulton countyjail — that's about 22 kilometres. helicopters gave us the bird's—eye view throughout the trip. mr trump pulled up to the jail just after 7:30pm local time. inside, he was fingerprinted and he had his mugshot taken.
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he is the first former us president to have that his mugshot taken that's then been made public. the president delivered remarks to the press before leaving georgia. here's what he had to say. it's a very sad day for america. this should never have happened. if you challenge an election, you should be able to challenge an election. i thought the election was a rigged election, a stolen election, and i should have every right to do that. as you know, you have many people that you've been watching over the years do the same thing — whether it's hillary clinton or stacey abrams or many others. when you have that great freedom to challenge, you have to be able to, otherwise you're going to have very dishonest elections. what has taken place here is a travesty ofjustice. we did nothing wrong — i did nothing wrong — and everybody knows it. i've never had such support — and that goes with the other ones, too. what they're doing is election interference. they're trying to interfere with an election. there's not been anything like it in our country before.
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this is their way of campaigning and this is one instance, but you have three other instances — it's election interference. so, i want to thank you for being here. —— we did nothing wrong at all and we have every right — every single right — to challenge an election that we think is dishonest — that we think is very dishonest — so, thank you all very much and i will see very soon. thank you very much. also today, donald trump returned to x — formerly —— also on thursday, donald trump returned to x — formerly twitter — for the first time since the january riot. he posted his mugshot, adding simply, quote, "election interference. "never surrender!" and posting a link to his website. a short time ago, i spoke with our reporter carl nasman who's been on the ground in atlanta throughout the day. quite the day and we were down there at the fulton county jail. a brief trip for donald trump
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all in all to the time he entered and when he left, about 30 minutes and apparently it was enough time to have this fingerprints taken and personal information entered and then, as we know, to have that historic mugshot taken, becoming the first former president to have that kind of photo taken of him and then, he was back in his motorcade and off to the airport. as we often see now — this is the fourth criminal case that donald trump is facing — he turned the legal into the political. this was also a spectacle, arriving at 7:30 or so in the evening, which is prime time for most television networks here in the united states, on the side where we were we were surrounded by very high security but on the other side of the jail there were several — a0 or 50 — protesters, pro—trump and anti—trump, all adding to the atmosphere down there on a very warm day here in atlanta, georgia. that mugshot also, of course, becoming part of the spectacle. we're already seeing the picture appearing all over the internet.
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donald trump himself posted it, even tweeting it — the first time he has tweeted since 2021, and it has been memed by his supporters. marjorie taylor greene photoshopped herself into a similar mugshot. this was, of course, a very serious day, a day where donald trump was facing his fourth legal and criminal case but it was also turned into a political day, quite the spectacle, here in atlanta. can you take us through what will happen next with this case in georgia? i think firstly, it's important to point out that there are still defendants in this case that have not surrendered, that have not gone through the process that donald trump did today. we believe that there are still seven more of those 19 defendants that are listed in this indictment who have yet to turn themselves in. i have a deadline of tomorrow, around noon local time, to do so, otherwise they will face a forceful arrest and be brought in to that jail against their will,
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so we will be looking out for that tomorrow. in terms of the timeline of the actual case, was another big media spectacle on the horizon — the arraignment. that's the event where donald trump makes his appearance at this courthouse behind me here in atlanta to hear formally the charges read out against him and to enter a plea — which we, of course, expect to be not guilty. and just adding one more step to that spectacle here in georgia, given that this is a georgia state trial, there will be cameras allowed in the courtroom. judge scott mcafee has granted access to four different camera teams, so we expect that arraignment will be broadcast on television. carl, what impact do you think that will have? just quickly, to follow up on that point you made about a televised trial? well, this is obviously somebody, donald trump, who enjoys the spotlight, who enjoys being on television. he's made every opportunity
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that he could throughout this entire legal process to try to bring as much attention as he could because he says he is innocent and he says these cases are politically motivated — in fact, as we speak, he is currently on newsmax giving a live interview after he was here in georgia facing those criminal charges, so we don't know exactly what kind of impact it will be. obviously, there'll be many eyes on the arraignment and we expect there could be cameras allowed in the courtroom through the process as this unfolds in georgia, so it's definitely one of the things that sets this case apart from the other three and we will see that arraignment is scheduled to be in the week of september the fifth, so just a couple of weeks from now. carl nasman reporting from fulton county. now, let's take a deeper look at the 13 charges against donald trump now. violating the state's racketeering act by unlawfully conspiring through a pattern of fraudulent activity to change the outcome of the election, three counts of solicitation of violation of oath by public office, including one related
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to trump's january 2021 phone call with georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger, where mr trump asked mr raffensperger to "unlawfully" alter the certified returns for presidential electors, also conspiracy to impersonate a public officer "with intent to mislead," conspiracy to commit forgery in the first degree by making a false document, which would have made trump appear to be the winning candidate in georgia, and making false statements and writings and filing false documents the indictment alleges to persuade georgia legislators to "reject lawful" votes cast by duly elected officials. i spoke with two former federal prosecutors, joe moreno and sarah krissoff. we start withjoe, who said the case against mr trump in georgia — along with the other three criminal cases against him — could proceed at a snail�*s pace. i think that anybody who thinks these trials are going to happen in the next few months are crazy. i mean, i heard october today. maybe october of next year, definitely not october of this year. i mean, just the fact that there were 19 defendants in the georgia case, the fact that you've got
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classified documents involved in the mar—a—lago case which bring a whole other set of headaches about having to get security clearances and cleared counsel and all that. the fact that you have serious state versus federal supremacy clause arguments in the georgia case. i mean, these cases will not happen anytime soon — i am sceptical that they'll even happen before the election next year because of the fact that there's going to be an election, a campaign. sarah krissoff is also a former federal prosecutor for the southern district of new york. here's what she had to say. the former president is saying this is part of the process, we should be allowed to do this, but i think challenging the elections is very different than the conduct that is alleged in this indictment and also in the election interference federal indictment, so he is effectively — very effectively — sort of conflating two different things. one is the proper channels, the proper procedures to challenge an election.
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the other is engaging in criminal enterprises as alleged in these indictments, criminal conspiracies to affect the outcome of the election. of course, it's notjust donald trump who's facing charges. earlier on thursday, former trump white house chief of staff mark meadows also surrendered in fulton county, as well as harrison floyd, former director of black voices for trump. theyjoin the case's other co—defendants who have already done so — among them, top trump allies like his former lawyers rudy giuliani and sidney powell. former republican congressman rodney davis weighed in on the fate of trump co—defendants. have a listen. those other defendants, along with the president, they're going to be bled dry by trying to afford attorneys and if president trump is not going to help them through his fundraising mechanisms to pay for their legal fees, i would think that they're probably going to say whatever it takes to get an agreement and get a plea deal with the fulton county — with the fulton county district attorney to make sure that
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they're not going to be in any legaljeopardy. now, a short while ago i spoke to pollster and strategist frank luntz about the potential impact of trump's indictment on voters. frank, you speak to republican voters — how have they reacted to these charges, to this indictment? well, i'm glad that you said �*partisan�* because there's a completely different reaction. if you're an independent, if you're democrat, you believe that this is just one more example of illegal behaviour. if you are republican, three out of four republicans reject the accusations that are being addressed this evening and they reject the idea that donald trump is a criminal and i'll give you one piece of polling data that has truly shocked me. 71% of republicans trust donald trump more than their own family to give them accurate and truthful information — more than the clergy, more than community leaders.
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donald trump has a level of trust, despite these indictments, that is, frankly, unheard of in american politics — at least among his own party. so, i want to ask you about some of the other frontrunners for the republican nomination for the presidency because there was a debate as you know in milwaukee last night, where the other candidates were on stage — this was hosted by the fox news channel — and the former president did come up, it took a while but he came up on the debate stage, and i want to play a clip of what we heard from the former vice president mike pence when he was asked about his role in january sixth and what happened. the american people deserve to know that the president asked me in his request that i reject all return votes unilaterally — power that no vice president in american history had ever exercised or taken. he asked me to put him over the constitution, and i chose the constitution. so, frank, we have now started to see the former vice
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president distance himself — at least on this question — from donald trump but what did you make of what you saw him say? i was there, i watched the debate happen — i was right in the centre of the audience — and it was remarkable to me that every time that an accusation was levelled against the former president, every single time there was boos from all across the arena that among active republicans, those people who attended a debate like this, donald trump still has considerable support. but i really have to emphasise that it's as though it's two different americas. among republicans, donald trump can do no wrong. he's trusted. they think he is a victim. they think he is being prosecuted and persecuted. among independents and democrats, he can do no right. they assume that he's engaged in political activity — and, quite frankly, among democrats, they want him to go to jail.
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you've just described this dynamic of two americas — is that why we did not see more candidates on stage take a bigger swing at the former president? yes, because he still has a tremendous lead. in fact, to put this in historic terms, if donald trump would lose the nomination, no frontrunner in modern times has ever dropped — would have dropped as far as donald trump would've dropped, that the odds of him when you nomination are very strong but the odds of him actually winning the presidency, it's still possible but they have — it would be an uphill battle. do you think any of the candidates actually had a breakthrough? oh, good question. yes — nikki haley. quite frankly, when she challenge the former vice president mike pence, she challenged vivek — the candidate, the outside candidate, her performance was — and she even mentioned margaret thatcher, which is appropriate to your audiences because she said that, "if you want to make a statement, ask a man. "if you want to get things done, ask a woman" and she cited margaret thatcher saying it. she received more applause and more engagement and she had more positive lines than any of the other candidates.
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i think she would be regarded as the winner of last night's debate. that said, the real winner is probably donald trump because not — no other candidate really laid a glove on him. and the closer that you get to the first primary vote injanuary and if trump continues with this lead, i think it could be insurmountable. so, were these candidates, then, making a pitch to the former president himself, perhaps, to share the ticket with him? yes, for vivek, i absolutely believe it. for the other candidates, i think they are simply afraid because, and — this happened with ron desantis when he criticised trump supporters — the objective is to criticise the former president without turning off the tens of millions of people who still support him. it's a very tough thing to do, particularly in a debate, but it's going to be necessary.
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and i believe that the next debate at the reagan library in september will be even more crucial because, in the end, if you don't take trump down, there's no way you can win the nomination. frank, one more question — do you think there's any chance that the former president would actually step onto the debate stage? at this point, no, and i'll explain why. chris christie, the governor of newjersey, would — would — is such a good debater that i could see him forcing trump into perjuring himself and that's something that the former president does not want to do. yes, chris christie certainly has been very outspoken in his criticism of the former president. frank, thank you again for your analysis. frank lu ntz. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. let's look at some other stories making news. italy seized a rescue ship operated by a german ngo, making
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the total number of impounded vessels rise to three this week. charity ships, like the ones seen here, have been assisting in efforts to bring migrants at sea to shore, often at italian port cities. the temporary seizure of the boats comes as migrant arrivals to italy continue to soar. the number of applications for us unemployment benefits fell for a second week, reaching its lowest level in three weeks. claims for benefits decreased by 10,000 to a seasonally adjusted 230,000. the trend suggests that the demand for workers in the us remains healthy despite fears of economic slowdown and recession. in the us, t—mobile plans to lay off 5,000 people. thats about seven 7% of its workforce. the layoffs will impact people across the country, but not retail or customer service jobs. this is the latest in a series of layoffs at some major us companies in the past year.
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you're live with bbc news. the us defense department says that wagner group chief yevgeny prigozhin was "likely killed" in the plane crash near moscow that killed ten people, according to an initial assessment. however, the pentagon press secretary, brigadier general patrick ryder, declined to give any details about how the department made that determination. while the us intelligence community is still assessing what caused wednesday's plane crash, the pentagon said there aren't any indication that a surface—to—air missile took down the plane. british defense sources have told the bbc they believe russia's fsb spy agency is most likely to have been responsible. ukraine's president volodymyr zelensky has denied any involvement. he told journalists, "everyone is aware "who is involved." crash investigators have been combing through the wreckage. beyond the passenger list there's still no official confirmation of who was on board. the apparent death of mr prizoghin will have global implications. as well as fighting in ukraine,
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his mercenary group has been active in parts of africa. earlier, the bbc spoke exclusively to ukraine's deputy minister of defence, volodymyr havrylov, on what his death means in the war. this business criminal number one to us. we saw his bad thing done in the ukraine. and his team, his groups, his force was very brutal in this war. they never saved lives of their people, but at the same time they never save the lives of their enemies as well. this was a very dangerous group of people. and therefore the leadership is very crucial. because prigozhin was a symbolic, charismatic leader of this group. they really accepted him as a leader. when this group loses their charismatic leader, it's really important — first of all, they lose confidence, they lose morale, they lose the orientation, i'm talking
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about the lower ranks, and they don't understand what to do next. a russian court extended the detention of the wall streetjournal reporter evan gershkovich. he was arrested on espionage charges at the end of march. gershkovich and the wall street journal have said those claims are false. and the us government says he is being wrongfully detained. during a brief hearing the court ordered that mr gershkovich should remain injail until at least november 30. japan has started releasing treated radioactive waterfrom the fukushima plant into the pacific ocean, a process that will take 30 years. the plant was the scene of one of the world's worst nuclear disasters since chernobyl in 2011. japan used water to cool the plant's reactors after it went into meltdown and the water was then treated and collected in tanks. but the site was running
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out of storage space, which led to thursday's release. our tokyo correspondent shaimaa khalil has more. it might not look like it at first glance, but this picturesque coastline is now at the heart of a huge regional controversy. for the first time, treated radioactive water from fukushima's crippled nuclear power plant would be pumped into the ocean. and this is the moment it was released. this goes back to 2011 whenjapan�*s most powerful earthquake triggered a tsunami that swept through the east coast, killing more than 18,000 people and causing the worst nuclear disaster since chernobyl. the water used to cool the destroyed nuclear reactors has been building up here in these tanks. there's more than a million tonnes of it.
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it's been diluted and filtered, but it won't be entirely radiation—free. officials and experts insist it's not a threat. as far as i'm concerned, the safest place for all of this is in the pacific ocean, because you have a dilution factor of many, many fold. it literally is a drop in the ocean. even if they put all of that water in at once, it's still a drop in that ocean. but many people here are not convinced. translation: you can tell me it's safe, but nobody knows - what the effect will be in 30 years' time. i'm absolutely positive that my fish won't sell now. translation: i want to continue living in fukushima. _ i don't want to be in a situation where i can't eat the sushi here any more. lots of people are against the release. there is a deep lack of trust in this process. many locals have told us that itjust hasn't been transparent enough. officials are saying that the amount of radiation being pumped into the ocean is well below the international safety sta nda rds. now, the science may back these claims, but it does nothing
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to prevent the reputational damage to fukushima, and calm the wave of anger both here and around the region. japan's neighbours are furious. china, the biggest buyer of japanese seafood, said it would block all imports. hong kong also said it would impose bans on some food products. this is a battle of perception forjapan�*s government. it has yet to fully convince its neighbours and its people that this will be no more radioactive than water released from any other nuclear power plant around the world. but it won't be easy because the facts are up against fear. shaimaa khalil, bbc news, fukushima. they are the iconic species of the antarctic, but for how much longer? emperor penguin colonies, living in an area where there was total sea ice loss in 2022, have experienced almost total breeding failure. our science editor,
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rebecca morelle, reports. they live in the most remote part of the planet, adapted to survive the harshest conditions. but for emperor penguins, the sea ice that they depend on is vanishing. and this year has seen a record melt, leading to a catastrophic loss of chicks. this is really a sign of things to come. we expect that emperor penguins are going to really suffer with climate change. and this is really poignant because most of these penguins will never have seen a human being in their life. but it's human—induced climate change which is driving their futures and a future which is looking really bleak at the moment. to breed successfully, emperor penguins need nine months of solid sea ice. the chicks are cared for by their parents as they develop and grow. they need to stay on the ice until they replace their fluffy down for waterproof feathers. the problem is the ice is melting much earlier in the season, and if the chicks enter the water before they're ready,
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they don't survive. the red line on this map shows where the sea ice used to reach at the end of antarctica's summer. 2023 has seen a record low. only the white and light blue areas are ice. this area lost all of its sea ice. five emperor penguin colonies are located there, and four lost all of their chicks. that's an estimated 5,000 to 10,000 birds. out of 66 colonies across the continent, 19 failed either partially or totally to breed. and scientists say if this trend continues, over 90% will be doomed to extinction by the end of this century. this graph shows the area of antarctica's sea ice as it melts and grows between summer and winter. each line represents a year, and 2023, in red, has been far lower than any other. we had a record annual minimum low in february of this year, and also what's happening right now, so in antarctic winter,
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as the ice freezes up, is that the ice is not freezing as fast as it normally would because it's so far outside what we've observed previously. we expected change, but we didn't i don't think expect change this rapidly and this much. antarctica's entering into uncharted territory, and for emperor penguins, it's leading to losses on an unprecedented scale. scientists say if we reduce our carbon emissions, we have a chance to save this iconic, unique and beautiful species. they say their future is in our hands. rebecca morelle, bbc news. stay with us here on bbc news. that's all from us, here in washington. we leave you with these live pictures of london as we hand off to our colleageus there. stay
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hello there. on thursday, we had a few showers and thunderstorms towards the south coast of england, and it felt particularly humid across east anglia and south—east england — temperatures into the mid—to—high 20s. but it will feel a lot fresher here for friday — temperatures dropping down into the low 20s, but overall, i suspect arguably a more pleasant feel to the weather, given those lower levels of humidity. a fine end to the day across southwest scotland, the centre of the low drifts over into the north sea, but it is a day where we'll see sunshine and showers, but longer spells of rain certainly at times, i think, affecting northern scotland. most of england and wales starting the morning on a dry and bright note with some early sunshine. however, i think we will see some showers break out as we head into the afternoon — always most frequent for wales, western areas of england, northern ireland and scotland, and parts of eastern england may well escape with a dry day. temperatures, high
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teens to low 20s. now we'll kind of continue that run of weather as we head into the weekend. the same area of low pressure still with us on saturday, so again, it's a day of sunshine and showers — although that said, we'll probably start off the day with some longer spells of rain pushing into wales and perhaps north—west england. elsewhere should be a dry morning, but then the showers start getting going into the afternoon, and some of them turning heavy with some thunder, as well. temperatures not really changing very much day by day, about 17—20. should feel ok, though, in that august sunshine. probably fewer showers around generally on sunday, but still one or two, whereas for northern ireland, we're looking at a band of rain working in here, and that rain could just about make it into western scotland towards the end of sunday afternoon. temperatures again about 17—20 — in any august sunshine, it should feel all right.
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now for monday, which is bank holiday for many, we're still looking at a few showers around, although there's a bit more of a ridge towards the west of the uk, so you might well find slightly drier and brighter conditions across wales and western areas of england. temperatures still at best into the low 20s.
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