rachel burden. spain's players were celebrating and the president kissed jenni hermoso fully whips, grabbed her round the face and kissed her, has caused a storm in spain and across the footballing world, also because he appeared to grab, lift and kiss on thejig many of appeared to grab, lift and kiss on the jig many of the other players as well. many suspected he would resign last week but he says he will fight till the end to keep his position. what did you think? did it make you cringe? have you everfound what did you think? did it make you cringe? have you ever found yourself in that sort of situation? maybe you are one of those who says it is a fuss about nothing. it might appear to be consensual but hermoso is

clear that it wasn't. what should happen next? the spanish football federation will meet later to discuss the future of the fa president luis rubiales. that world cup kiss — how do you feel? first, al tansley. the home secretary says new police guidance on tackling lower—level offences will show there's no such thing as a minor crime. police forces in england and wales have agreed to follow "all reasonable leads" when investigating offences like theft. spain's football federation will hold an emergency meeting today

to discuss the crisis that's engulfed the sport in the country. the federation�*s president, luis rubiales has been suspended by fifa because he kissed a spanish player on the lips, after the women's team won the world cup. a police investigation is under way into the deaths of two people who became trapped in their car on a flooded road in liverpool. it's thought the vehicle had been driven into deep water under a bridge in the city's mossley hill area. and the firefighters�* union has warned it could take legal action to stop the government housing asylum seekers on the bibby stockholm barge. ministers have been accused of repeatedly ignoring safety concerns — the home office says asylum seekers�* wellbeing is its utmost priority. rachel burden in for nicky campbell throughout the week. however you are listening, good to have your company. it is great to know you are

out there. i hope you will be part of this conversation, ever since the world cup final, watching a fantastic display by spain's women are deserved winners of the world cup. somehow the glorious moment, career defining, has been spoiled, marred by the actions of one man, lewis will be alice, president of the spanish football federation. as he was greeting all the players as they were receiving their medals at they were receiving their medals at the end of the world cup ceremony. —— luis rubiales. he grabbed jenni hermoso, held her about the face, planted a full on whip case on her. a lot of people at the time found it uncomfortable. she was then it seems now pressured to put out a statement saying it was fine, she has

subsequently said it is not fine, she did not consent. when you watch it in realtime, she did not consent. when you watch it in real time, it is quite brief. what you see there is pretty uncomfortable. in real time, the players are moving through the wine up players are moving through the wine up quite quickly, he looks at her, they are smiling at each other, he grabs herface, appears to they are smiling at each other, he grabs her face, appears to say something like a kiss beforehand, not exactly asking for permission? what does his future hold? the spanish football federation meeting today, have activated sexual violence protocol, plenty of people in spanish football and politics have said this is completely unacceptable. where does the power line in spain in terms of this man's future? what does it tell us about the state of play between the kind of powers that be in football and the women players, notjust in spain but throughout the world? and we

would love to hear your own stories, if you have been in a situation where you have felt uncomfortable, have you been able to call it out at the time it happened and say, no, this is not acceptable? our first ourfirst two guests. our first two guests. semra ourfirst two guests. semra hunter, monique choudhuri, director of women in football, semra hunter is a journalist. to say this is because the storm in spain over the last week or so, an understatement, tell us how it has played out. it week or so, an understatement, tell us how it has played out.— us how it has played out. it really has captivated — us how it has played out. it really has captivated the _ us how it has played out. it really has captivated the entire - us how it has played out. it really has captivated the entire nation. | us how it has played out. it really i has captivated the entire nation. in some ways on a positive way and i said that because in the last few days people are really saying we need to turn this into the metoo of

spanish society, it is about so much more than a kiss. we can talk about both things, lots of elements happening here, as it specifically relates to society people are saying this is a perfect example, symbol of the patriarchal treatment within the spanish football federation, this is what a lot of the players have been saying themselves for years now and a reflection of wider society and how sexual abuse, violence, misogyny, machismo has been normalised for far too long and women have never felt comfortable or safe enough or didn't have the platform by which they could come forward and speak about this openly. normally they would be shamed, humiliated, would not be believed and so on. for the first time i have been living in spain in 15 years i've never seen society come together so unanimously on one side and agree this is an appropriate

behaviour, nevershould and agree this is an appropriate behaviour, never should have happened, and was a man in power abusing his power. to happened, and was a man in power abusing his power.— happened, and was a man in power abusing his power. to most people in the immediate _ abusing his power. to most people in the immediate aftermath _ abusing his power. to most people in the immediate aftermath it _ abusing his power. to most people in the immediate aftermath it looked i the immediate aftermath it looked completely inappropriate and so everyone expected he would make an apology, he would step down, it would probably die down, the attention could rest on the spanish players. he refused to go, dug himself in. what does that tell us about the mentality at the spanish federation? it about the mentality at the spanish federation? , , ., ., federation? it tells you about the mentality of _ federation? it tells you about the mentality of the _ federation? it tells you about the mentality of the man _ federation? it tells you about the mentality of the man himself. . federation? it tells you about the i mentality of the man himself. there are plenty of people who have come forward we have known him in the past saying the resident of the women's football league, she said they were with seen the man we have all known privately, this sort of behaviour has been going on on cheque forfour years. an behaviour has been going on on cheque for four years. an ex captain of the spanish national team has been vocal all along anyway but

today she spoke about how the problem is notjust luis rubiales himself, it is the culture within the federation. plenty of people within the federation who enable his behaviour. we saw that in the assembly when they were all applauding him along, everything he was saying, people like minded within the federation. people are calling for everyone to go, notjust him, they want a clean out and start over again with the right kind of people who will look after women's football the way it should be, treat these women with value, respect and dignity and with the quality that everyone is asking for. —— with equality. it everyone is asking for. -- with euuali . ., , everyone is asking for. -- with euuali . ., _,. equality. it was also the crotch aarabbin equality. it was also the crotch grabbing which _ equality. it was also the crotch grabbing which a _ equality. it was also the crotch grabbing which a lot _ equality. it was also the crotch grabbing which a lot of- equality. it was also the crotch grabbing which a lot of people | equality. it was also the crotch - grabbing which a lot of people found quite strange. monique choudhuri, women in football based in the uk, this has resonance across the world?

it has residence across women's football— it has residence across women's football and workplaces. we recently did a survey wanted to find out the views_ did a survey wanted to find out the views of— did a survey wanted to find out the views of people, 82% of the women in the workplace responding said they had experienced discrimination in the workplace, one in two had faced sexism. _ the workplace, one in two had faced sexism, 18% has experienced some sexual_ sexism, 18% has experienced some sexual harassment or assault and 70% live in— sexual harassment or assault and 70% live in the _ sexual harassment or assault and 70% live in the uk, it is a global issue _ live in the uk, it is a global issue we _ live in the uk, it is a global issue. we all have the right to feel safe, _ issue. we all have the right to feel safe, listen— issue. we all have the right to feel safe, listen to at work, if we are in a _ safe, listen to at work, if we are in a workplace we wouldn't expect any behaviour like we saw demonstrated on the public stage out there _ demonstrated on the public stage out there the _ demonstrated on the public stage out there. the problem is, it is the reporting — there. the problem is, it is the reporting mechanisms that are wrong and lots _ reporting mechanisms that are wrong and lots of— reporting mechanisms that are wrong and lots of places, if you have experienced sexism but don't know where _ experienced sexism but don't know where to— experienced sexism but don't know where to go to report it, that makes it hard _ where to go to report it, that makes it hard for— where to go to report it, that makes it hard for you, it is the brave and the hold _ it hard for you, it is the brave and the bold that report things often.

behaviour is left unchecked, unmanaged, unsolved and when people see the _ unmanaged, unsolved and when people see the results of what happens when a woman_ see the results of what happens when a woman report sexism, misogyny, abuse _ a woman report sexism, misogyny, abuse or— a woman report sexism, misogyny, abuse or harassment in any way it renders— abuse or harassment in any way it renders them quite silent and they can't _ renders them quite silent and they can't go _ renders them quite silent and they can't go and complain about it because — can't go and complain about it because the resources, pathways and constructs _ because the resources, pathways and constructs are not there to do this. for spain— constructs are not there to do this. for spain itself i think there is an overhaui— for spain itself i think there is an overhaul of— for spain itself i think there is an overhaul of governance needed. if you take _ overhaul of governance needed. if you take for instance if you resign from _ you take for instance if you resign from the — you take for instance if you resign from the spanish football team, it is seen _ from the spanish football team, it is seen as— from the spanish football team, it is seen as an infraction. which is an infringement against civil liberties, if you are not happy you should _ liberties, if you are not happy you should he — liberties, if you are not happy you should be able to resign, it should not he _ should be able to resign, it should not be seen as a threat to your civil_ not be seen as a threat to your civil liberty _ not be seen as a threat to your civil liberty if you resign from a football — civil liberty if you resign from a football team because you do not like the _ football team because you do not like the way you are being treated. but i _ like the way you are being treated. but i think— like the way you are being treated. but i think there is a deeper problem. _ but i think there is a deeper problem, 140 members of the spanish

foothaii— problem, 140 members of the spanish football federation, only six of those — football federation, only six of those members are actually women. there _ those members are actually women. there are _ those members are actually women. there are big structural problems by the sounds of it. huge. so many getting in touch with us, people sending in their texts, andrew and lester has called. good morning. can you understand why people are getting so upset? ida. you understand why people are getting so upset?— you understand why people are caettin so uset? ., ' ~y ., , getting so upset? no. i was 16 years old and i getting so upset? no. i was 16 years old and i was — getting so upset? no. i was 16 years old and i was playing _ getting so upset? no. i was 16 years old and i was playing for— getting so upset? no. i was 16 years old and i was playing for the - old and i was playing for the county, tennis, different sport, the lady who was part of the coaching team came up to me, hugged me, kissed me, what is the problem? that was a long time ago in the 1990s, the world was more free. now it seems you cannot say or do anything, what is he supposed to do, we have just won the world cup, would it be ok if i hugged you, please? are we really going that way.— really going that way. there is a difference _ really going that way. there is a difference between _ really going that way. there is a difference between a _ really going that way. there is a difference between a hug - really going that way. there is a difference between a hug and i really going that way. there is a

difference between a hug and al really going that way. there is a - difference between a hug and a kiss, is one thing i would say, but what you experienced i would also say is unacceptable. come on. it is ok for an older woman to kiss a 15—year—old boy? an older woman to kiss a 15-year-old bo ? . . an older woman to kiss a 15-year-old bo ? ., , , ., ., an older woman to kiss a 15-year-old bo? ., , ., ., boy? that is where you are going wronu. in boy? that is where you are going wrong- in this— boy? that is where you are going wrong. in this day _ boy? that is where you are going wrong. in this day and _ boy? that is where you are going wrong. in this day and age. - boy? that is where you are going wrong. in this day and age. she i boy? that is where you are going i wrong. in this day and age. she was really happy, she wasn't a paedophile, she was really happy. she hugged me and kissed me. i thought, i have won, i did not think i now have to ring the police. it doesn't make any sense, it is like we cannot say or do anything. i don't know, she hasjust won we cannot say or do anything. i don't know, she has just won the world cup, she was so ecstatic and really emotional, like you are going to be. what is wrong with that? i don't get it. we are looking at the picture she was there, i do not know

if you can see them if you are watching this on the telly. i think it is the way he holds her head and sort of brings her face towards him. you are making too much of it, the modern world is. it is you are making too much of it, the modern world is.— you are making too much of it, the modern world is. it is not for me to decide. modern world is. it is not for me to decide- let's _ modern world is. it is not for me to decide. let's hear _ modern world is. it is not for me to decide. let's hear from _ modern world is. it is not for me to decide. let's hear from arthur- modern world is. it is not for me to decide. let's hear from arthur in i decide. let's hearfrom arthur in fife. do you agree with andrew? ida. fife. do you agree with andrew? no. you can see — fife. do you agree with andrew? no. you can see it _ fife. do you agree with andrew? no. you can see it by the force of the head _ you can see it by the force of the head it — you can see it by the force of the head it is — you can see it by the force of the head. it is forced. grabbing his crotch, — head. it is forced. grabbing his crotch, it— head. it is forced. grabbing his crotch, itjust seems head. it is forced. grabbing his crotch, it just seems like head. it is forced. grabbing his crotch, itjust seems like he is a male _ crotch, itjust seems like he is a male chauvinist, basically and he has no _ male chauvinist, basically and he has no respect for women, to be honest — has no respect for women, to be honest. ~ , . has no respect for women, to be honest. ~ , , ,, , has no respect for women, to be honest. ~ , , , , , honest. why is he spanish president ofthe honest. why is he spanish president of the football, _ honest. why is he spanish president of the football, then, _ honest. why is he spanish president of the football, then, if _ honest. why is he spanish president of the football, then, if he _ honest. why is he spanish president of the football, then, if he has i honest. why is he spanish president of the football, then, if he has no i of the football, then, if he has no respect for women?— respect for women? well, he shouldn't _ respect for women? well, he shouldn't be _ respect for women? well, he shouldn't be grabbing - respect for women? well, he shouldn't be grabbing his i respect for women? well, he i shouldn't be grabbing his crotch, there _ shouldn't be grabbing his crotch, there is— shouldn't be grabbing his crotch, there is kids as well as adults watching _

there is kids as well as adults watching. | there is kids as well as adults watchinu. ., ., there is kids as well as adults watching-— there is kids as well as adults watchinu. ., ., ,, ., , watching. i do not think he would be doinu that watching. i do not think he would be doing that on _ watching. i do not think he would be doing that on purpose. _ watching. i do not think he would be doing that on purpose. the - watching. i do not think he would be doing that on purpose. the pictures| doing that on purpose. the pictures at the ground _ doing that on purpose. the pictures at the ground doesn't _ doing that on purpose. the pictures at the ground doesn't lie, _ doing that on purpose. the pictures at the ground doesn't lie, you i doing that on purpose. the pictures at the ground doesn't lie, you can l at the ground doesn't lie, you can see him _ at the ground doesn't lie, you can see him next to the royal box, he has grabbing his crotch, that is not acceptable — has grabbing his crotch, that is not acceptable. you has grabbing his crotch, that is not accetable. ., ., ., ~ has grabbing his crotch, that is not acceptable-— has grabbing his crotch, that is not accetable. ., ., ., ~ . acceptable. you are making too much of it. the lassie _ acceptable. you are making too much of it. the lassie in _ acceptable. you are making too much of it. the lassie in the _ acceptable. you are making too much of it. the lassie in the changing i of it. the lassie in the changing room said _ of it. the lassie in the changing room said she _ of it. the lassie in the changing room said she never _ of it. the lassie in the changing | room said she never consented. of it. the lassie in the changing i room said she never consented. you are making — room said she never consented. you are making too _ room said she never consented. gm. are making too much of it. , we have won the world cup, you are making too much of it. he. won the world cup, you are making too much of it.— won the world cup, you are making too much of it._ i - won the world cup, you are making too much of it._ i am i too much of it. no, no, no. iam conscious— too much of it. no, no, no. iam conscious we — too much of it. no, no, no. iam conscious we have _ too much of it. no, no, no. iam conscious we have two - too much of it. no, no, no. iam conscious we have two men i too much of it. no, no, no. i am- conscious we have two men discussing this. it conscious we have two men discussing this. . . . . conscious we have two men discussing this. .,, , , ., conscious we have two men discussing this. , , ., , conscious we have two men discussing this. , , ., ., ~ this. it has 'ust put a black mark on this. it hasjust put a black mark on women's _ this. it hasjust put a black mark on women's football. _ this. it hasjust put a black mark on women's football. pause i this. it hasjust put a black mark on women's football. pause forl this. it hasjust put a black mark| on women's football. pause for a moment. — on women's football. pause for a moment, arthur, _ on women's football. pause for a moment, arthur, if— on women's football. pause for a moment, arthur, if you - on women's football. pause for a moment, arthur, if you can. i on women's football. pause for a j moment, arthur, if you can. how on women's football. pause for a i moment, arthur, if you can. how has it ut a moment, arthur, if you can. how has it put a black — moment, arthur, if you can. how has it put a black mark _ moment, arthur, if you can. how has it put a black mark on _ moment, arthur, if you can. how has it put a black mark on women's i it put a black mark on women's football? it was a brilliant

tournament.— football? it was a brilliant tournament. «a . tournament. thinks he is getting awa with tournament. thinks he is getting away with this _ tournament. thinks he is getting away with this clap. _ tournament. thinks he is getting away with this clap. it _ tournament. thinks he is getting away with this clap. it is - tournament. thinks he is getting away with this clap. it is a - tournament. thinks he is getting away with this clap. it is a bank. away with this clap. it is a bank holida , away with this clap. it is a bank holiday. we _ away with this clap. it is a bank holiday, we will— away with this clap. it is a bank holiday, we will watch - away with this clap. it is a bank holiday, we will watch our- away with this clap. it is a bank i holiday, we will watch our language as well, there might be kids listening to. i have two blokes arguing over this, your views are legitimate but i want to bring in money. what make of that discussion, money? i money. what make of that discussion, mone ? .., �* money. what make of that discussion, mone ? .. �* , money. what make of that discussion, mone ? �* , ., money? i can't remember a time when i have had success _ money? i can't remember a time when i have had success and _ money? i can't remember a time when i have had success and someone i money? i can't remember a time when i have had success and someone has i i have had success and someone has kissed _ i have had success and someone has kissed me _ i have had success and someone has kissed me on — i have had success and someone has kissed me on the lips. yes, a hug, not a _ kissed me on the lips. yes, a hug, not a case — kissed me on the lips. yes, a hug, not a case, that is an infringement of your— not a case, that is an infringement of your rights, it is unsafe, it is an unwarranted advance. nobody kisses— an unwarranted advance. nobody kisses on— an unwarranted advance. nobody kisses on the lips. the only person who kisses — kisses on the lips. the only person who kisses me on the lips as my husband. — who kisses me on the lips as my husband, everyone else is not

allowed, — husband, everyone else is not allowed, no friends or family, it 'ust allowed, no friends or family, it just does— allowed, no friends or family, it just does not happen in any walk of life, just does not happen in any walk of life. in_ just does not happen in any walk of life. in any— just does not happen in any walk of life, in any civil situation, any environment or culture, doing that is an— environment or culture, doing that is an infringement of your personal rights _ is an infringement of your personal rights and — is an infringement of your personal rights and an unwarranted advance. he has— rights and an unwarranted advance. he has not— rights and an unwarranted advance. he has not kiss someone on the mouth on the street. you cannot say or do anything in this world, you get arrested by the police. i do not know, can't we all chill out? they won the world cup. i do not know the chap personally. it i won the world cup. i do not know the chap personally-— chap personally. ifi grabbed you by the head, tried _ chap personally. ifi grabbed you by the head, tried to _ chap personally. ifi grabbed you by the head, tried to kiss _ chap personally. ifi grabbed you by the head, tried to kiss you, - chap personally. ifi grabbed you by the head, tried to kiss you, how i the head, tried to kiss you, how would _ the head, tried to kiss you, how would you — the head, tried to kiss you, how would you feel? ifi the head, tried to kiss you, how would you feel?— the head, tried to kiss you, how

would you feel? if i had 'ust won the world would you feel? if i had 'ust won the world cup. h would you feel? if i had 'ust won the world cup, i i would you feel? if i had 'ust won the world cup, i would i would you feel? if i had just won the world cup, i would accept i would you feel? if i had just won j the world cup, i would accept it. would you feel? if i had just won i the world cup, i would accept it. at 15... the lady coach came up to me when i was 15, she was overawed, so was i, she hugged and kissed me, what is wrong with that?— was i, she hugged and kissed me, what is wrong with that? andrew and author, what is wrong with that? andrew and author. i'm — what is wrong with that? andrew and author. i'm going _ what is wrong with that? andrew and author, i'm going to _ what is wrong with that? andrew and author, i'm going to say _ what is wrong with that? andrew and author, i'm going to say goodbye i what is wrong with that? andrew and author, i'm going to say goodbye to l author, i'm going to say goodbye to you both for now, honestly it has been illuminating to hearfrom both of you and thank you, and i do think both of you represent different schools of thought on this that are out there. we have had loads of texts reflecting what i'm dressing, pam says it was brief, embrace of excitement, she was laughing. another one, leave them alone, it was not a sexual attack, it is the work trying to destroy this man's world. —— the first night. she was probably so shocked and embarrassed

she didn't know how to react at the time, another says. she didn't know how to react at the time, anothersays. how she didn't know how to react at the time, another says. how much disagreement in spain about what should happen to this man, semra hunter? as monique said, reforms? spanish society is not as divided as uk society. there is a whole separate debate going on here about luis rubiales himself. anyone who is unfamiliar with him, do some research, there is a long history there. this is a man who did take advantage of the moment and the power that he holds. this is not a one off incident. the excuse of saying it was the euphoria of the moment, that is an excuse behind which he can hide. this kind of behaviour has been going on for a long time. it was notjust the one

off at the world cup, there have been serious allegations for many years by men and women backed by police reports, reports, official complaints filed to the courts of spain, about his sexist and misogynistic behaviour. many people within spanish media and even the president of la liga put out an extraordinary statement on twitter highlighting the same thing,, even his own uncle highlighted his behaviour. innocent until proven guilty of course but still the history of their many people close to luis rubiales who have known him for many years will tell you the evidence is there and is piling up.

a whole separate debate here in spain about how he'd never should have been able to be in this position in the first place, they should not have voted him into the federation knowing his history. there is a woman who came out openly, she spoke about how when she worked with him, he humiliated her, asked about the cover of her underwear, did you come in only to get down on your knees? and another person filed a police report for physical assault. this is notjust i am really happy in the moment, i cannot contain my excitement, no, i am sorry but it is not the case. maybe with someone else it would be but this is not true for luis rubiales and that is why so many people are so angry because they said, had things been done at the time, proper investigations being carried out when they should have been, potentially all of this could have been avoided to begin with.

indicative of a pattern of behaviour? people had been calling out for some time. nina in glasgow, mary in london, how are you both? great to have your own and thank you for being with us on a bank holiday. not for you, for being with us on a bank holiday. not foryou, nina, for being with us on a bank holiday. notforyou, nina, in for being with us on a bank holiday. not for you, nina, in glasgow. what not foryou, nina, in glasgow. what do not for you, nina, in glasgow. what do you make of what you saw? i am infuriated- — do you make of what you saw? i am infuriated- i— do you make of what you saw? i am infuriated. i have _ do you make of what you saw? i am infuriated. i have a _ do you make of what you saw? i an infuriated. i have a daughter, she is young. i really hope the question of consent, it is well discussed right now, when she is older a guy like this one, how come he has a job like this one, how come he has a job like this? i do not understand. especially we women when we are fragile, when we are happy and sad, why do men think we can abuse us and it will be fine, it will be all right? it is not. in this day and

age and we are still having the same discussion, we shouldn't be doing it any more, it is not right. you cannot kiss a woman without her consent. . . . , ~ cannot kiss a woman without her consent. ., , ., , ~ , consent. has anything like this ha--ened consent. has anything like this happened to — consent. has anything like this happened to you. _ consent. has anything like this happened to you, nina? i consent. has anything like this happened to you, nina? yes, | consent. has anything like this happened to you, nina? yes, i consent. has anything like this i happened to you, nina? yes, i think eve one happened to you, nina? yes, i think everyone of— happened to you, nina? yes, i think everyone of my _ happened to you, nina? yes, i think everyone of my girlfriends, - happened to you, nina? yes, i think everyone of my girlfriends, welded i everyone of my girlfriends, welded at some point. and we should not. we are proud, happy, strong women but we cannot let our guards down for a second. be happy or sad. why? ijust don't get it. we say, no, we did not allow and people do not believe us. like your first collar saying this is all right, this is ok. this is not all right, it is not ok. you see

the image and it is so clear the girl did not allow it to happen. it is not clear to everyone, nina and you see mary? i is not clear to everyone, nina and you see mary?— is not clear to everyone, nina and you see mary? i 'ust thought the guy was you see mary? ijust thought the guy was overwhelmed _ you see mary? ijust thought the guy was overwhelmed at _ you see mary? ijust thought the guy was overwhelmed at the _ you see mary? ijust thought the guy was overwhelmed at the moment i you see mary? ijust thought the guy was overwhelmed at the moment by| you see mary? ijust thought the guy i was overwhelmed at the moment by the wind. was overwhelmed at the moment by the wind -- _ was overwhelmed at the moment by the wind -- hy— was overwhelmed at the moment by the wind. —— by the winning. grabbing the crotch, — wind. —— by the winning. grabbing the crotch, michaeljackson made a career— the crotch, michaeljackson made a career of— the crotch, michaeljackson made a career of that. i�*m the crotch, michaeljackson made a career of that.— the crotch, michaeljackson made a career of that. i'm not sure we want to reference — career of that. i'm not sure we want to reference that _ career of that. i'm not sure we want to reference that particularly - career of that. i'm not sure we want to reference that particularly as i career of that. i'm not sure we want to reference that particularly as a i to reference that particularly as a perfect example. do you accept the point that actually it wasn't just that incident, this isjust point that actually it wasn't just that incident, this is just the latest in a long line of incidents involving this guy, luis rubiales, that seem to demonstrate his

demeaning attitude towards women? i don't know anything about this guy, i don't know anything about this guy, i was _ don't know anything about this guy, iwasjust_ don't know anything about this guy, i wasjust watching don't know anything about this guy, i was just watching it on tv, don't know anything about this guy, i wasjust watching it on tv, i saw him iwasjust watching it on tv, i saw him just— iwasjust watching it on tv, i saw him just get— i wasjust watching it on tv, i saw him just get so overwhelmed, he was 'ust him just get so overwhelmed, he was just ecstatic. so him just get so overwhelmed, he was just ecstatic-— him just get so overwhelmed, he was just ecstatic._ are _ him just get so overwhelmed, he was just ecstatic._ are we - him just get so overwhelmed, he was just ecstatic._ are we all- just ecstatic. so what? are we all su osed just ecstatic. so what? are we all sopposed to _ just ecstatic. so what? are we all sopposed to sign _ just ecstatic. so what? are we all supposed to sign a _ just ecstatic. so what? are we all supposed to sign a form - just ecstatic. so what? are we all supposed to sign a form now, i just ecstatic. so what? are we all| supposed to sign a form now, can just ecstatic. so what? are we all. supposed to sign a form now, can i have _ supposed to sign a form now, can i have a _ supposed to sign a form now, can i have a case? — supposed to sign a form now, can i have a case? let me send my name there _ have a case? let me send my name there. . have a case? let me send my name there-- we — have a case? let me send my name there-- we all— have a case? let me send my name there.- we all have _ have a case? let me send my name there.- we all have to - have a case? let me send my name there.- we all have to cover i there. yeah. we all have to cover ourselves. _ there. yeah. we all have to cover ourselves. can — there. yeah. we all have to cover ourselves, can we _ there. yeah. we all have to cover ourselves, can we sign _ there. yeah. we all have to cover ourselves, can we sign this i there. yeah. we all have to cover ourselves, can we sign this piece| there. léiéu we all have to cover ourselves, can we sign this piece of paper, _ ourselves, can we sign this piece of paper. you — ourselves, can we sign this piece of paper, you consented that i kissed you? _ paper, you consented that i kissed you? do— paper, you consented that i kissed ou? , ., ~' paper, you consented that i kissed ou? , ., ,, , paper, you consented that i kissed ou? ,, , you? do you think it is unreasonable to exect you? do you think it is unreasonable to expect that _ you? do you think it is unreasonable to expect that you _ you? do you think it is unreasonable to expect that you go _ you? do you think it is unreasonable to expect that you go about - to expect that you go about effectively what is yourjob, they are there playing on the health of the spanish football federation, is it unreasonable to expect that you can go into your dayjob and do what you are asked to do and perform brilliantly but not to be kissed? is

that too much to expect? exactly. shouldn't everyone _ that too much to expect? exactly. shouldn't everyone have - that too much to expect? exactly. shouldn't everyone have a - that too much to expect? exactly. i shouldn't everyone have a reasonable expectation that they don't get kissed by someone that if there is not clear consent?— not clear consent? what about spontaneity? _ not clear consent? what about spontaneity? who _ not clear consent? what about spontaneity? who doesn't - not clear consent? what about| spontaneity? who doesn't want not clear consent? what about - spontaneity? who doesn't wantjust a spontaneity? who doesn't want just a friendly— spontaneity? who doesn't want just a friendly kiss, congratulations, shake — friendly kiss, congratulations, shake hands, what is the difference? helen, _ shake hands, what is the difference? helen, do— shake hands, what is the difference? helen, do you want a friendly kiss? yes, i do. helen, do you want a friendly kiss? yes, ido. i helen, do you want a friendly kiss? yes, i do. i can't see the gimmick deal _ yes, i do. i can't see the gimmick deal yes, i do. i can't see the gimmick deal. , ., yes, i do. i can't see the gimmick deal— i feel- deal. helen in preston? ifeel quite assionate deal. helen in preston? ifeel quite passionate about _ deal. helen in preston? ifeel quite passionate about this, _ deal. helen in preston? ifeel quite passionate about this, the - deal. helen in preston? ifeel quite passionate about this, the man - deal. helen in preston? ifeelquite| passionate about this, the man was showing _ passionate about this, the man was showing a _ passionate about this, the man was showing a passion— passionate about this, the man was showing a passion that _ passionate about this, the man was showing a passion that day - passionate about this, the man was showing a passion that day for - passionate about this, the man was showing a passion that day for the i showing a passion that day for the gem _ showing a passion that day for the gem actually— showing a passion that day for the game. actually they— showing a passion that day for the game. actually they were - showing a passion that day for the i game. actually they were celebrating our way _ game. actually they were celebrating our way in _ game. actually they were celebrating our way in -- — game. actually they were celebrating ourway in -- and _ game. actually they were celebrating our way in —— and victory— game. actually they were celebrating our way in —— and victory for- game. actually they were celebrating our way in —— and victory for spain i our way in —— and victory for spain which _ our way in —— and victory for spain which hadn't — our way in —— and victory for spain which hadn't happened _ our way in —— and victory for spain which hadn't happened before - our way in —— and victory for spain which hadn't happened before in l which hadn't happened before in the women's _

which hadn't happened before in the women's team _ which hadn't happened before in the women's team. he _ which hadn't happened before in the women's team. he might _ which hadn't happened before in the women's team. he might be - which hadn't happened before in the women's team. he might be at - women's team. he might be at passionate _ women's team. he might be at passionate guy— women's team. he might be at passionate guy who _ women's team. he might be at passionate guy who wears - women's team. he might be ati passionate guy who wears more women's team. he might be at - passionate guy who wears more than his heart— passionate guy who wears more than his heart on— passionate guy who wears more than his heart on his — passionate guy who wears more than his heart on his sleeve. _ passionate guy who wears more than his heart on his sleeve. i— passionate guy who wears more than his heart on his sleeve. i know- passionate guy who wears more than his heart on his sleeve. i know he - his heart on his sleeve. i know he was holding — his heart on his sleeve. i know he was holding her— his heart on his sleeve. i know he was holding her face _ his heart on his sleeve. i know he was holding her face but - his heart on his sleeve. i know he was holding her face but she - his heart on his sleeve. i know hel was holding her face but she could have turned — was holding her face but she could have turned to _ was holding her face but she could have turned to her _ was holding her face but she could have turned to her cheek, - was holding her face but she could have turned to her cheek, he - have turned to her cheek, he kissed her like _ have turned to her cheek, he kissed her like he — have turned to her cheek, he kissed her like he would _ have turned to her cheek, he kissed her like he would have _ have turned to her cheek, he kissed her like he would have kissed - have turned to her cheek, he kissed her like he would have kissed the i her like he would have kissed the child, _ her like he would have kissed the child, he — her like he would have kissed the child, he didn't... _ her like he would have kissed the child, he didn't... 0h. _ her like he would have kissed the child, he didn't...— her like he would have kissed the child, he didn't... oh, my god, no, she is not— child, he didn't... oh, my god, no, she is not a— child, he didn't... oh, my god, no, she is not a child. _ child, he didn't... oh, my god, no, she is not a child. she _ child, he didn't... oh, my god, no, she is not a child. she is _ child, he didn't... oh, my god, no, she is not a child. she is not - child, he didn't... oh, my god, no, she is not a child. she is not ok - she is not a child. she is not ok with that so completely, she felt humiliated. i with that so completely, she felt humiliated-— with that so completely, she felt humiliated. ~ , ., , , humiliated. i think she has 'umped on the bandwagon * humiliated. i think she has 'umped on the bandwagon ofh humiliated. i think she hasjumped on the bandwagon of metoo. - humiliated. i think she hasjumped on the bandwagon of metoo. thisl humiliated. i think she hasjumped i on the bandwagon of metoo. this was no to sexual— on the bandwagon of metoo. this was no to sexual assault, _ on the bandwagon of metoo. this was no to sexual assault, he _ on the bandwagon of metoo. this was no to sexual assault, he was - on the bandwagon of metoo. this was no to sexual assault, he was so - no to sexual assault, he was so thritied~ — no to sexual assault, he was so thritied~ i— no to sexual assault, he was so thrilled. ., ., , thrilled. i do not care if he is thrilled- _ thrilled. i do not care if he is thrilled. it— thrilled. i do not care if he is thrilled. it was _ thrilled. i do not care if he is thrilled. it was a _ thrilled. i do not care if he is| thrilled. it was a celebration, thrilled. i do not care if he is i thrilled. it was a celebration, it meant nothing _ thrilled. it was a celebration, it meant nothing more. _ thrilled. it was a celebration, it meant nothing more. we - thrilled. it was a celebration, it meant nothing more. we are l thrilled. it was a celebration, it i meant nothing more. we are not robots _ meant nothing more. we are not robots are — meant nothing more. we are not robots are we _ meant nothing more. we are not robots. are we going _ meant nothing more. we are not robots. are we going to- meant nothing more. we are not robots. are we going to be - meant nothing more. we are noti robots. are we going to be robots where _ robots. are we going to be robots where we — robots. are we going to be robots where we don't _ robots. are we going to be robots where we don't even _ robots. are we going to be robots where we don't even look - robots. are we going to be robots where we don't even look at - robots. are we going to be robots where we don't even look at each| where we don't even look at each other? _ where we don't even look at each other? , g ., ,

other? let me bring in jas in slouch. other? let me bring in jas in slough. wonderful— other? let me bring in jas in slough. wonderful to - other? let me bring in jas in slough. wonderful to hear i other? let me bring in jas in i slough. wonderful to hear from other? let me bring in jas in - slough. wonderful to hear from you, slough. wonderful to hearfrom you, mary. what did you think of it, jas? it was sexual harassment, millions watching, kissing people on the cheek, year. on the lips, no. this guy should be sacked, simple as that. ~ ., guy should be sacked, simple as that. . ., ., guy should be sacked, simple as that. ~ ., ., ., �*, guy should be sacked, simple as that. ~ ., ., �*, that. what about hell than's point that. what about hell than's point that it was being _ that. what about hell than's point that it was being caught _ that. what about hell than's point that it was being caught up - that. what about hell than's point that it was being caught up in - that. what about hell than's point that it was being caught up in the | that it was being caught up in the moment, the emotions got the better of him? ., ., ., ,, moment, the emotions got the better of him? ., ., ., ., �* moment, the emotions got the better ofhim? ., ., ., .,�* ,. ,, of him? no, no, no, you don't kiss --eole of him? no, no, no, you don't kiss peeple on — of him? no, no, no, you don't kiss peeple on the _ of him? no, no, no, you don't kiss peeple on the lips _ of him? no, no, no, you don't kiss people on the lips like _ of him? no, no, no, you don't kiss people on the lips like that. - of him? no, no, no, you don't kiss people on the lips like that. it - of him? no, no, no, you don't kiss people on the lips like that. it is i people on the lips like that. it is rude. ., ., ~' people on the lips like that. it is rude. , , ., people on the lips like that. it is rude. , , rude. look, plenty of people with very different _ rude. look, plenty of people with very different points _ rude. look, plenty of people with very different points of— rude. look, plenty of people with very different points of view, - rude. look, plenty of people with very different points of view, we | very different points of view, we have had masses of texts this

morning. let mejust read a couple and get you to respond. absolutely not ok to plant a case on a woman double lips. spontaneity? get a grip, it is 2023. can you imagine prince william doing this? of course not. if he planted that kiss on her forehead, respectful, but it is for your partner and children only, the lips. i your partner and children only, the li s. . ., , , ., your partner and children only, the lis. , ,~ , , lips. i completely agree, yes. helen? l— lips. i completely agree, yes. helen? i think _ lips. i completely agree, yes. helen? | think it— lips. i completely agree, yes. helen? i think it was - lips. i completely agree, yes. helen? i think it was in - lips. i completely agree, yes. helen? i think it was in the i lips. i completely agree, yes. - helen? i think it was in the moment, maybe _ helen? i think it was in the moment, maybe he _ helen? i think it was in the moment, maybe he should _ helen? i think it was in the moment, maybe he should say— helen? i think it was in the moment, maybe he should say sorry— helen? i think it was in the moment, maybe he should say sorry for- helen? i think it was in the moment, maybe he should say sorry for the . maybe he should say sorry for the kiss on _ maybe he should say sorry for the kiss on the — maybe he should say sorry for the kiss on the lips _ maybe he should say sorry for the kiss on the lips but _ maybe he should say sorry for the kiss on the lips but he _ maybe he should say sorry for the kiss on the lips but he should - maybe he should say sorry for the kiss on the lips but he should not| kiss on the lips but he should not kiss on the lips but he should not kiss on— kiss on the lips but he should not kiss on the — kiss on the lips but he should not kiss on the lips. _ kiss on the lips but he should not kiss on the lips. men _ kiss on the lips but he should not kiss on the lips. men celebrate i kiss on the lips. men celebrate together~ — kiss on the lips. men celebrate together~ we _ kiss on the lips. men celebrate together. we seem _ kiss on the lips. men celebrate together. we seem to - kiss on the lips. men celebrate together. we seem to want - kiss on the lips. men celebrate together. we seem to want all| kiss on the lips. men celebrate - together. we seem to want all these different— together. we seem to want all these different protections. _ together. we seem to want all these different protections. i— together. we seem to want all these

different protections. ithink- together. we seem to want all these different protections. i think womenl different protections. i think women do have _ different protections. i think women do have to _ different protections. i think women do have to be — different protections. i think women do have to be protected. _ different protections. i think women do have to be protected. but - different protections. i think women do have to be protected. but this. different protections. i think women do have to be protected. but this is| do have to be protected. but this is taking _ do have to be protected. but this is taking it _ do have to be protected. but this is taking it out — do have to be protected. but this is taking it out of _ do have to be protected. but this is taking it out of hand, _ do have to be protected. but this is taking it out of hand, it _ do have to be protected. but this is taking it out of hand, it really - do have to be protected. but this is taking it out of hand, it really is. i taking it out of hand, it really is. roby— taking it out of hand, it really is. roby in — taking it out of hand, it really is. roby in cambridge, _ taking it out of hand, it really is. roby in cambridge, and - taking it out of hand, it really is. | roby in cambridge, and athletics coach? . ., . roby in cambridge, and athletics coach? , ., , ,': :: roby in cambridge, and athletics coach? , .,, ,':ii coach? yes, i was in the 30 coach and coach — coach? yes, i was in the 30 coach and coach both _ coach? yes, i was in the 30 coach and coach both boys _ coach? yes, i was in the 30 coach and coach both boys and - coach? yes, i was in the 30 coach and coach both boys and girls. - coach? yes, i was in the 30 coach l and coach both boys and girls. what do ou and coach both boys and girls. what do you make _ and coach both boys and girls. what do you make of _ and coach both boys and girls. what do you make of this? _ and coach both boys and girls. what do you make of this? i _ and coach both boys and girls. what do you make of this? i think - and coach both boys and girls. what do you make of this? i think it - and coach both boys and girls. what do you make of this? i think it is - do you make of this? i think it is absolutely _ do you make of this? i think it is absolutely ridiculous _ do you make of this? i think it is absolutely ridiculous that - do you make of this? i think it is absolutely ridiculous that he - do you make of this? i think it is i absolutely ridiculous that he kisses people. the very most he should have done, he should have taken both hands and shaken both hands, if he wanted a kiss or anything else and she wanted anything else, it shouldn't have been in play. i used to take two goes to athletics every week. —— two girls to athletics. a little girl got a phone, she phoned up little girl got a phone, she phoned up to say if they were coming or

were not coming. i could have taken advantage of that but i did not. but one of our coaches did take advantage of the girls and was hugging them and you name it. and he had sex with one while he was in a coaching thing, she was 17 and told her mother. he got banned for nine years. her mother. he got banned for nine ears. . . her mother. he got banned for nine ears, ., , ., her mother. he got banned for nine ears. ., , ., , her mother. he got banned for nine ears. ., i, .,, years. that is a very serious matter- _ he got a nine year ban, which took him out of the whole thing between her little sister... i him out of the whole thing between her little sister. . ._ her little sister... i think the oint her little sister... i think the point you — her little sister... i think the point you are _ her little sister... i think the point you are making - her little sister... i think the point you are making and i her little sister... i think the i point you are making and thank you for contacting us, the protocols in place now are very, very clear for anyone involved, particularly when it comes to children, anyone involved in children's activities. thank you.

involved in children's activities. thank you-— thank you. that is absolutely correct. the _ thank you. that is absolutely correct. the difference - thank you. that is absolutely correct. the difference here | thank you. that is absolutely | correct. the difference here is thank you. that is absolutely i correct. the difference here is we are talking _ correct. the difference here is we are talking about _ correct. the difference here is we are talking about adults - correct. the difference here is we are talking about adults and i correct. the difference here is we | are talking about adults and there has been a discussion, i can see it in front of my eyes, hundreds of messages coming through... bind in front of my eyes, hundreds of messages coming through... and it was in public. _ messages coming through... and it was in public, that _ messages coming through... and it was in public, that was _ messages coming through... and it was in public, that was the - messages coming through... and it was in public, that was the whole . was in public, that was the whole thing. if he wanted a kiss or anything, it should have been in private. anything, it should have been in rivate. ., ~' , ., anything, it should have been in rivate. ., ,. , ., , . private. 0k, thank you very much, robbie. masses _ private. 0k, thank you very much, robbie. masses to _ private. 0k, thank you very much, robbie. masses to discuss - private. 0k, thank you very much, robbie. masses to discuss and i private. 0k, thank you very much, | robbie. masses to discuss and you clearly want to talk about it this morning so do give us a call. the world cup kiss, how do you feel? it is 9.31, time for the news. al tansley has the 5 live news. thank you, rachel. suella braverman has denied that new police guidance on investigating lower—level offences will take resources away from tackling serious crime. the home secretary's announced

an agreement with police forces to follow all "reasonable leads" on offences such as theft. labour's called the policy an "admission of failure". the firefighters' union is warning it could take legal action to stop asylum seekers being housed on a barge in dorset — which it's described as a "potential death trap". the government says the health and welfare of asylum seekers is its priority. record numbers of people in the uk are borrowing from family members to help them buy property, according to new research. nearly 320,000 homes are expected to be purchased with financial support from relatives this year — that's up 50% on 2020. and a huge totem pole is being returned to an indegenous group in canada — who say it was stolen a century ago and sold to the national museum of scotland. a ceremony will be held at the museum in edinburgh today before the removal begins. that's the news, shourjo sarkar has the sport. good morning. british athletics has raised aspirations of a good return at the paris olympics next year after finishing the world

championships on high. there were three more medals on the final day in budapest, taking gb and northern ireland's total to ten. that matches the team's best ever haul at a world championship. norwegian golfer viktor hovland held off a determined challenge from the american, xander schauffele, in the final round of the tour championship to claim the fedex cup title and the £14 million first prize. schauffele carded a brilliant 62, to finish in second place, five shots behind hovland. burnley fc say they are saddened and dismayed to learn about an attack on the aston villa team bus after yesterday's premier league match between the sides. nobody was hurt in the incident. burnley say they will support police in their efforts to find whoever was responsible. and charlton athletic�*s dean holden has become the first football league manager to lose his job this season, after being sacked by the league one club.

it has already been a tasty morning so far, talking about the world cup kiss which caused controversy not just in spain but across the world and we will continue to talk about that until 10am this morning. then we will be talking about crime and how crime is impacting on you. this morning, we have heard from the government that they want to ensure that police investigate all crimes, that police investigate all crimes, that there is no such thing as a trivial crime. the home secretary has come out and said that police forces in england and wales must look at every theft and have all the

reasonable leads followed up. suella braverman says there is no such thing as minor crime, whether it is phone theft, car theft, watch theft, street level drug dealing or drug use, the police must follow every reasonable line of inquiry. that means evidence potentially from door bells, dash cams, cctv, it could mean the police wading through hours and hours of footage in order to identify potential perpetrators of crime. we would love to know from a police point of view what we think of all of that, is that even practical? in the year to march, just ll.1l% of thefts resulted in someone being charged and some commentators have said that is in effect of these crimes being decriminalised foster new guidance will be issued for police forces in england and wales but of course there are concerns that could divert resources away from the serious crimes, violent crimes, fraud, which is a big problem at the moment.

labour has called this a staggering admission of 13 years of tory failure on policing and crime. what is your view and what is your experience of policing and crime? have you reported a crime and felt largely ignored? did you get any more than a crime reference number for your insurance? if you work in policing, please tell us what is like on the ground in police stations right across the country. how does this guide and sound to you? is it reasonable, is it realistic? should every crime he realistic? should every crime be investigated? do we really won police officers turning up to every mobile phone theft in this country, is that the best use of resources? 50 after 10am this morning, police, so after 10am this morning, police, crime and youth. —— and you.

now we are discussing the spanish kiss, the world cup kiss. luis rubiales, president of the spanish football federation. a big question mark over his future. they have activated their sexual violence protocol. he has said he will not step down, he will fight to the end. it has caused a massive storm in the footballing world and it's been fascinating to hear what you think of it this morning. did he overstep the mark by planting that kiss on the mark by planting that kiss on the lips withjenni hermoso? there she is if you are watching on telly, right at the end of the world cup as they were being given her medals. she said afterwards she did not consent, she was not happy about it at all. semra hunter has been listening to your views and so has monique. what do you make of the discussions over and some up for us where this next. we have said the

football federation are meeting today in spain but i guess it won't be concluded today, is it? i today in spain but i guess it won't be concluded today, is it? i imagine it wouldn't unless _ be concluded today, is it? i imagine it wouldn't unless the _ be concluded today, is it? i imagine it wouldn't unless the federation i it wouldn't unless the federation decide to move him from his post and given there are so many supporters in the federation of rubiales don't expect that to be the outcome unless they want to preserve their own jobs. 50 i they want to preserve their own jobs. sol have a they want to preserve their own jobs. 50 i have a feeling this could very much take some time. in parallel, i think it's worth mentioning and there are two points i want to make in reference to my reaction to this. one other i want to make is that in spain, by law, based on a law that was put into place last year, it is called only yes is yes and centres around consent and it very clearly states in black and white that if there is no consent, it is considered sexual aggression, it is considered a crime. 50 because there has now been four official complaints put forward to the prosecutions office in madrid, this has been reported by the spanish media, they have taken

it now to the national courts, which means that they are going to look into a possible act of sexual aggression. so no criminal proceedings are also happening in parallel to the administrative proceedings, which means they could get him out, notjust the federation but go all the way and ban him from the sport and all sports altogether if they so choose, depending on the severity of the evidence that they find. 50 that is h severity of the evidence that they find. 50 that is u want to make clear, that becausejenni hermoso says it is not consensual, there is a very real possibility there could be a criminal outcome in all of this. also, the other thing i want to say is context in these situations is very, very important and i think we need to understand the deeper context around which this whole thing happened with the kiss. one of the things i want to say is when this happened a year ago with 15 other players coming forward and sending an e—mailto 15 other players coming forward and sending an e—mail to the federation and raising the very serious concerns about their mental state and emotional well—being because they were talking about the methodologies that had been put in

place by the coaching staff, the coach himself, they were asking for changes to be put into place. the federation basically treated them as though they were little girls, called them capricious little girls in a statement they released to the press. they also decided to make a very public. they basically insinuated they were blackmailers, these women, so just the public level of ridicule was an embarrassment as well at the time. and now, if you listen to the press conferences that luis rubiales has been given the whole time throughout the world cup, is largely centred around us against them, that kind of mentality. the two men against all of these women and the women that didn't want to be here and so on. so for me, this act of kissing jenni hermoso, besides the fact he's been avert scandal after scandal which means he thinks he is untouchable and invincible, almost a validation

for himself, i am the one that holds the power here, i am the one that controls all of you. i won this war against all of you. that is at least another outlook that is very, very much being talked about here in spain. 50 if we are to look at it in that context, then i think it is really important to see that there is very much more to this than just a spontaneous kiss in the moment and also ifjenni hermoso says there is no consent, then why are we not believing her? ithink no consent, then why are we not believing her? i think it is really unfortunate that there are so many people that are trying to spin this and say he is the victim and she isn't and i think it is very unfair that we are not giving her the benefit of the doubt, especially when we see the images where he forcefully grabbed her head and kisses her. i don't think there is much she could have done. it happened so, so very quickly. but beyond that, he was kissing other players on the cheeks, throwing them over his shoulder. it was just all of it together that reallyjust...

it makes your stomach turn, i think, at least for many of us, not everyone agrees.— at least for many of us, not everyone agrees. at least for many of us, not eve one aurees. ., , ., ., , everyone agrees. not everyone agrees but ou are everyone agrees. not everyone agrees but you are right, — everyone agrees. not everyone agrees but you are right, understanding - everyone agrees. not everyone agrees but you are right, understanding the l but you are right, understanding the history here and the bigger context is really important as well. thank you so much for bringing that to us. we appreciate it. i know you will be watching what happens with great interest so we will let you go and continue following this story. thank you so much, semra hunter, spanish footballjournalist here on bbc news this morning and on five live talking about the world cup kiss. we can go to a couple of our callers, we have had so many of you contact us this morning. a mandarin south—east london, melanie in manchester. amanda, what do you reckon, did he overstep the mark? absolutely he overstepped the mark. my absolutely he overstepped the mark. my point is if it had been no spanish mail team wedding, would he have done the same with one of the spanish players, would he have grabbed their head and given them a kiss on the lips? i think we could all assume it wouldn't be that, he

wouldn't kiss a male player on the lips so it has to be some kind of misogyny. that is the way i see it, it is logical. misogyny. that is the way i see it, it is logical-— it is logical. melanie in manchester, _ it is logical. melanie in manchester, what i it is logical. melanie in manchester, what do | it is logical. melanie in i manchester, what do you it is logical. melanie in - manchester, what do you think, it is logical. melanie in _ manchester, what do you think, do you agree?— you agree? yes, absolutely. good morninu. you agree? yes, absolutely. good morning- l — you agree? yes, absolutely. good morning. ithink— you agree? yes, absolutely. good morning. i think there _ you agree? yes, absolutely. good morning. i think there are - you agree? yes, absolutely. good morning. i think there are three i morning. i think there are three parts _ morning. i think there are three parts to— morning. i think there are three parts to this. first of all, we need to keep _ parts to this. first of all, we need to keep the — parts to this. first of all, we need to keep the focus on the most important _ to keep the focus on the most important person and that is the player~ — important person and that is the player~ a— important person and that is the player. a lot of callers this morning _ player. a lot of callers this morning have said, it was this, it was that — morning have said, it was this, it was that. actually, all that matters is the _ was that. actually, all that matters is the player has said that it wasn't — is the player has said that it wasn't acceptable and that she didn't— wasn't acceptable and that she didn't like it. at that point, no one's— didn't like it. at that point, no one's opinion matters in that regard — one's opinion matters in that regard. you can't defend his actions at that— regard. you can't defend his actions at that point — regard. you can't defend his actions at that point or rationalise them. the fact— at that point or rationalise them. the fact is— at that point or rationalise them. the fact is when something happens to any— the fact is when something happens to any of— the fact is when something happens to any of us— the fact is when something happens to any of us that we don't like, it nieans_ to any of us that we don't like, it means that — to any of us that we don't like, it means that something has happened that we _ means that something has happened that we have not consented to or thereafter— that we have not consented to or thereafter we thought, that really wasn't _ thereafter we thought, that really wasn't right. it is at that point we then— wasn't right. it is at that point we then need — wasn't right. it is at that point we then need to look at what happens. that is— then need to look at what happens. that is when the emphasis then goes on to— that is when the emphasis then goes

on to him _ that is when the emphasis then goes on to him i— that is when the emphasis then goes on to him. i was saying to your producer, _ on to him. i was saying to your producer, i'm a coach for a football team, _ producer, i'm a coach for a football team, i'm — producer, i'm a coach for a football team, i'm a — producer, i'm a coach for a football team, i'm a teacher and an avid supporter— team, i'm a teacher and an avid supporter of football, a manchester united _ supporter of football, a manchester united supporter. i've been at matches— united supporter. i've been at matches where we have won the treble and never. _ matches where we have won the treble and never, never have i everjumped up, and never, never have i everjumped up. put _ and never, never have i everjumped up. put my— and never, never have i everjumped up, put my arms around someone and held them _ up, put my arms around someone and held them on— up, put my arms around someone and held them on the face and kissed them _ held them on the face and kissed them on — held them on the face and kissed them on the lips. first of all, that is an— them on the lips. first of all, that is an intimate kiss and saying you are getting — is an intimate kiss and saying you are getting away with it in the moment, _ are getting away with it in the moment, that is what sexual predators will use as a defence. everything was consensual and then i 'ust everything was consensual and then i just got— everything was consensual and then i just got carried away. when do we make _ just got carried away. when do we make that, — just got carried away. when do we make that, when do we say that is ok? that's — make that, when do we say that is ok? that's not acceptable. the 0k? that's not acceptable. the emotion. — ok? that's not acceptable. the emotion. i_ 0k? that's not acceptable. the emotion, i can control my emotions, my husband — emotion, i can control my emotions, my husband can control his emotions, all the _ my husband can control his emotions, all the 75,000 people that i stood with many— all the 75,000 people that i stood with many times at old trafford when we have _ with many times at old trafford when we have won games and come back from games. _ we have won games and come back from games, they— we have won games and come back from games, they have controlled their emotions — games, they have controlled their emotions. you mightjump up and hugged _ emotions. you mightjump up and hugged each other but you can't rationalise it saying it is in the moment _

rationalise it saying it is in the moment. it is unacceptable and he more _ moment. it is unacceptable and he more than — moment. it is unacceptable and he more than anyone... that moment. it is unacceptable and he more than anyone. . ._ more than anyone... that is a very aood more than anyone... that is a very good point- _ more than anyone... that is a very good point- no _ more than anyone... that is a very good point. no man _ more than anyone... that is a very good point. no man i _ more than anyone... that is a very good point. no man i know, - more than anyone... that is a very good point. no man i know, no i more than anyone... that is a very i good point. no man i know, no friend of mine orfamily member i know would act like theirs. what older woman's head and kiss her on the lips like that. ill woman's head and kiss her on the lips like that-— lips like that. if you go for a hug, ou both lips like that. if you go for a hug, you both open — lips like that. if you go for a hug, you both open your— lips like that. if you go for a hug, you both open your arms - lips like that. if you go for a hug, you both open your arms out, i lips like that. if you go for a hug, you both open your arms out, so | lips like that. if you go for a hug, i you both open your arms out, so it's a mutual— you both open your arms out, so it's a mutual unspoken thing. you both open. _ a mutual unspoken thing. you both open. your— a mutual unspoken thing. you both open, your body language tells you everything. he put his arms around her and _ everything. he put his arms around her and then everything. he put his arms around herand then he everything. he put his arms around her and then he grabbed her face and plants— her and then he grabbed her face and plants a _ her and then he grabbed her face and plants a kiss. but her and then he grabbed her face and plants a kiss-— plants a kiss. but they did know each other- _ plants a kiss. but they did know each other. i'm _ plants a kiss. but they did know each other. i'm not _ plants a kiss. but they did know each other. i'm not trying i plants a kiss. but they did know each other. i'm not trying to i each other. i'm not trying to explain it away but trying to understand it and ifully explain it away but trying to understand it and i fully appreciate the context is that they did know each other. they will have been together are many different occasions before in a footballing context, in a social context. but i wonder... context, in a social context. but i wonder- - -— wonder... these are professional -la ers, wonder... these are professional players. though- _ wonder... these are professional players, though. where - wonder... these are professional players, though. where do i wonder... these are professional players, though. where do you . wonder... these are professional i players, though. where do you ever see, in any competition where there is football, male or female, where this happens? it's usually a shake of the hand, a hug if it is

acceptable, that's it. ijust think... ijust think hejust... i've given my opinion on it. flan think... ijust think he just. .. i've given my opinion on it. can i ask you. — i've given my opinion on it. can i ask you. how— i've given my opinion on it. can i ask you, how easy _ i've given my opinion on it. can i ask you, how easy is _ i've given my opinion on it. can i ask you, how easy is it, - i've given my opinion on it. can i ask you, how easy is it, a - i've given my opinion on it. can i ask you, how easy is it, a lot - i've given my opinion on it. can i ask you, how easy is it, a lot of| ask you, how easy is it, a lot of people said she seemed fine about it at the time, how is the —— easy is it in the moment to pull away and say it's not acceptable? it’s it in the moment to pull away and say it's not acceptable?— say it's not acceptable? it's not eas in say it's not acceptable? it's not easy in the _ say it's not acceptable? it's not easy in the heat _ say it's not acceptable? it's not easy in the heat at _ say it's not acceptable? it's not easy in the heat at the - say it's not acceptable? it's not| easy in the heat at the moment. afterwards you are walking down, passing along the line a new thing, i felt very uncomfortable about that. it must have been very difficult to stop him doing that because he grabbed her by the head with both hands. to me, that is a forceful action. that is not a can i do this, can i give you a kiss? it's taking her, grabbing herand forcibly kissing her on the lips. afterwards, she probably would have thought, do you know, that wasn't right? and this happens a lot when you are surprised by somebody�* actions you think of a few minutes

later or five minutes later, actions you think of a few minutes later orfive minutes later, that did not feel appropriate at all. let me... did not feel appropriate at all. let me- -- you — did not feel appropriate at all. let me... you reflect _ did not feel appropriate at all. let me... you reflect on _ did not feel appropriate at all. let me... you reflect on it _ did not feel appropriate at all. let me... you reflect on it because i did not feel appropriate at all. let i me... you reflect on it because you don't meet _ me... you reflect on it because you don't meet it _ me... you reflect on it because you don't expect it will _ me... you reflect on it because you don't expect it will happen. - me... you reflect on it because you don't expect it will happen. let - me... you reflect on it because you don't expect it will happen. let me| don't expect it will happen. let me kee ou don't expect it will happen. let me keep you both _ don't expect it will happen. let me keep you both there _ don't expect it will happen. let me keep you both there if _ don't expect it will happen. let me keep you both there if i _ don't expect it will happen. let me keep you both there if i may - don't expect it will happen. let me l keep you both there if i may because i want to bring in mike from bristol and also with guy hedger ko, our bbc madrid correspondent. thank you for being with us. explain what will happen in —— will be happening today? happen in -- will be happening toda ? ., , ., today? today there is an extraordinary _ today? today there is an extraordinary meeting i today? today there is an extraordinary meeting of today? today there is an i extraordinary meeting of the football federation in the absence of luis rubiales, who has been suspended temporarily at least by fifa, the world governing body, while fifa carry out this investigation, disciplinary action into his behaviour. we are expecting this meeting this afternoon to tackle specifically this crisis surrounding mr rubiales and there is now infamous case. i think what it

will tell us is how much power mr rubiales still has within the federation, given he is suspended, another member of the federation has stepped in as caretaker president and obviously there is a tremendous amount of pressure on him and the other members of the federation to change their position, to distance themselves from mr rubiales and to stop defending him and stop justifying his behaviour at the world cup and to take a different position and start distancing themselves from him. so we should find out later today what the position will be of this federation, without luis rubiales they are to take charge of it. has without luis rubiales they are to take charge of it._ without luis rubiales they are to take charge of it. has this taken on a olitical take charge of it. has this taken on a political dimension _ take charge of it. has this taken on a political dimension at _ take charge of it. has this taken on a political dimension at all? - take charge of it. has this taken on a political dimension at all? it i take charge of it. has this taken on a political dimension at all? it has| a political dimension at all? it has in the sense _ a political dimension at all? it has in the sense that _ a political dimension at all? it has in the sense that the _ a political dimension at all? it has in the sense that the spanish i in the sense that the spanish government has been talking a lot about this. several government ministers have been calling for luis

rubiales�* resignation, they were calling for that last week. of course, on friday he said no, he was going to stay in very defined terms. they have continued to call on him to resign and the government has started to take action to try and move him from office. so it is hoping that there will be a meeting of the national sports tribunal as early as today to start that process of removing him from office. but that can be quite a lengthy process. otherwise, i think you could say it is more of a social issue rather than a political issue, although there have been lots of politicians talking out about it. i think socially, it�*s been an issue which socially, it�*s been an issue which so many people have been talking about. many of them obviously taking about. many of them obviously taking a position against rubiales, calling on him to resign. so in that sense, you could say it is a social and political issue, one that has gone way beyond football. find

political issue, one that has gone way beyond football.— political issue, one that has gone way beyond football. and way beyond sain's way beyond football. and way beyond spain's borders _ way beyond football. and way beyond spain's borders as _ way beyond football. and way beyond spain's borders as well, _ way beyond football. and way beyond spain's borders as well, thank - way beyond football. and way beyond spain's borders as well, thank you i spain�*s borders as well, thank you very much. guy hedgecoe talking to us from beautiful sunny madrid this morning. you can see so many texts coming through to us here at bbc news. we still have amanda and melanie mike in bristol as well. hello, good morning.— melanie mike in bristol as well. hello, good morning. what did you make of it all? _ hello, good morning. what did you make of it all? i _ hello, good morning. what did you make of it all? i cannot _ hello, good morning. what did you make of it all? i cannot believe i hello, good morning. what did you | make of it all? 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point early on, she knows the bloke. she's obviously been in— point early on, she knows the bloke. she's obviously been in his - point early on, she knows the bloke. she's obviously been in his company| she's obviously been in his company many. _ she's obviously been in his company many. many— she's obviously been in his company many. manytimes _ she's obviously been in his company many, many times. she _ she's obviously been in his company many, many times. she didn't i she's obviously been in his company many, many times. she didn't turn. many, many times. she didn't turn away. _ many, many times. she didn't turn away, she — many, many times. she didn't turn away. she knew— many, many times. she didn't turn away, she knew him. _ many, many times. she didn't turn away, she knew him. it's— many, many times. she didn't turn away, she knew him. it's not- many, many times. she didn't turn away, she knew him. it's not as i many, many times. she didn't turn away, she knew him. it's not as if. away, she knew him. it's not as if he was _ away, she knew him. it's not as if he was a — away, she knew him. it's not as if he was a complete _ away, she knew him. it's not as if he was a complete stranger- away, she knew him. it's not as if he was a complete stranger that i he was a complete stranger that walked — he was a complete stranger that walked up— he was a complete stranger that walked up to _ he was a complete stranger that walked up to her— he was a complete stranger that walked up to her and _ he was a complete stranger that walked up to her and assaultedl he was a complete stranger that i walked up to her and assaulted her. it's ridiculous. _ walked up to her and assaulted her. it's ridiculous.— it's ridiculous. mike, i hear lots of he was _ it's ridiculous. mike, i hear lots of he was in — it's ridiculous. mike, i hear lots of he was in the _ it's ridiculous. mike, i hear lots of he was in the moment, i it's ridiculous. mike, i hear lots of he was in the moment, howl it's ridiculous. mike, i hear lots- of he was in the moment, how about she was_ of he was in the moment, how about she was in_ of he was in the moment, how about she was in the moment? she had scored _ she was in the moment? she had scored the — she was in the moment? she had scored the goal, she had just won the world — scored the goal, she had just won the world cup. she's not thinking about— the world cup. she's not thinking about normalised behaviour for him. she's— about normalised behaviour for him. she's thinking, we have just won the world _ she's thinking, we have just won the world cop. _ she's thinking, we have just won the world cup, we have just made history — world cup, we have just made history. she is caught up in the moment, — history. she is caught up in the moment, too. it works both ways, mike~ _ moment, too. it works both ways, mike. ,, �* ., , , moment, too. it works both ways, mike. ,, �* .,, , moment, too. it works both ways, mike. ,, �* , ,, mike. she didn't grab his face. she kissed him- _ mike. she didn't grab his face. she kissed him. she _ mike. she didn't grab his face. she kissed him. she didn't. _ mike. she didn't grab his face. she kissed him. she didn't. i'm - mike. she didn't grab his face. she kissed him. she didn't. i'm not - kissed him. she didn't. i'm not uuite kissed him. she didn't. i'm not quite sure _ kissed him. she didn't. i'm not quite sure what _ kissed him. she didn't. i'm not quite sure what point - kissed him. she didn't. i'm not quite sure what point to - kissed him. she didn't. i'm not quite sure what point to make, kissed him. she didn't. i'm not - quite sure what point to make, she she was— quite sure what point to make, she she was caught _ quite sure what point to make, she she was caught up _ quite sure what point to make, she she was caught up in _ quite sure what point to make, she she was caught up in the _ quite sure what point to make, she she was caught up in the moment, | quite sure what point to make, she . she was caught up in the moment, so was it_ she was caught up in the moment, so was it wrongm — she was caught up in the moment, so was it wrongm she— she was caught up in the moment, so was it wrong- - -— was it wrong... she didn't grab his head, did was it wrong... she didn't grab his head. did she? — was it wrong... she didn't grab his head, did she? also, _ was it wrong. .. she didn't grab his head, did she? also, why- was it wrong... she didn't grab his head, did she? also, why should i was it wrong... she didn't grab his i head, did she? also, why should the onus be on — head, did she? also, why should the onus be on her? _ head, did she? also, why should the onus be on her? she _

head, did she? also, why should the onus be on her? she didn't - head, did she? also, why should the onus be on her? she didn't score - head, did she? also, why should the onus be on her? she didn't score the winnin: onus be on her? she didn't score the winning goal. — onus be on her? she didn't score the winning goal. she — onus be on her? she didn't score the winning goal, she missed _ onus be on her? she didn't score the winning goal, she missed a - onus be on her? she didn't score the winning goal, she missed a penalty, | winning goal, she missed a penalty, actually but i take a point, she was still part of the winning team. let me bring in hannah in glasgow. good morning, what would you like to add to the discussion?— to the discussion? good morning. i think we can _ to the discussion? good morning. i think we can get — to the discussion? good morning. i think we can get into _ to the discussion? good morning. i think we can get into debates - to the discussion? good morning. i i think we can get into debates around if the kiss was ok or not, i'd personally disagree with mike's point. i don't think men don't always recognise the threat of behaviour. at the end of the day, a player reported an incident to her employer that she felt she didn't consent to and instead of supporting her through that her federation has sought to bully her in gaslight her and now they're trying to silence her. just a heat of the moment thing, which i don't personally think it's an excuse for her behaviour, he could have come out at the time and apologised but instead we are in the situation now where he has doubled down and flexed his power to the detriment of celebrating the women winning the world cup and that to me is such an

offence in this situation. i world cup and that to me is such an offence in this situation.— offence in this situation. i agree. it's all about _ offence in this situation. i agree. it's all about normalised - offence in this situation. i agree. i it's all about normalised behaviour. my normalised behaviour is if i am celebrating, i willjump up and hug someone _ celebrating, iwilljump up and hug someone if— celebrating, i willjump up and hug someone if they would appear to want to be receptive to that. this is about— to be receptive to that. this is about the _ to be receptive to that. this is about the normalised behaviour of this particular individual, of whom there _ this particular individual, of whom there appears to be lots of evidence to suggest— there appears to be lots of evidence to suggest that is his normalised behaviour, to be sexualised, sexual behaviour— behaviour, to be sexualised, sexual behaviour by towards women and even some _ behaviour by towards women and even some men— behaviour by towards women and even some men it _ behaviour by towards women and even some men it would appear. this is about— some men it would appear. this is about the — some men it would appear. this is about the bigger picture. you are completely right. completely, it's about — completely right. completely, it's about... and it is not acceptable. we have — about... and it is not acceptable. we have so— about... and it is not acceptable. we have so many messages and so many calls coming through. i want to get through a couple more before we have to move things on. by the way, colin miller, the daily mirror european writer has been listening to this. what do you make of the discussion we have made and what does it reflect on the readers and what they're telling you customer it has dominated the past week, notjust a

women's football or sport issue because debt markets become more than that, it has become a movement of what is and isn't acceptable. irate of what is and isn't acceptable. we had of what is and isn't acceptable. , had heard a lot of viewpoints on this. it is not about having a view but what the law states and what the protocol states in terms of what the spanish fa have in terms of what fifa have. one issue that is key in all of this which is maybe getting taken away a little, luis rubiales is the boss, he is the boss of all of these players and of this team. so he has a position of notjust of power but responsibility. these players are in his duty of care. that to me seems to be something which has clearly been breached, on multiple occasions. when you look at the images after the match of what happened, this wasn't an isolated incident. this is behaviour in general where you see him kissing plays on the cheek, on the lips, lifting players off their feet and carrying them around. he wouldn't treat men like that.— treat men like that. there is a wider problem _ treat men like that. there is a wider problem which -

treat men like that. there is a wider problem which we've . treat men like that. there is a i wider problem which we've been hearing around the whole power structure in spanish women's football as well. what do you think theirs does to spain's standing overall in world football? effectively, it doesn't have a functioning a women's team at the moment. players have boycotted the team, the coaching team apart from the manager had stepped down. a week on from the world cup that team no longer essential exists. the issue with rubiales is very uncertain at the moment but until he is removed by the spanish fa, that will continue to exist. as we have spoken about, this is an issue much bigger thanjust a bubble about, this is an issue much bigger than just a bubble team but at the moment they have won the world cup, they are world champions but there is also this issue which has been ongoing for years and years within the context of spanish football which is needed to be addressed and it hasn't hit the headlines, despite all the protests, despite all of the allegations from players. they have been ignored and ignored and ignored over generations and now they are being listened to finally end that is a key point. being listened to finally end that is a key point-—

being listened to finally end that is a ke oint. ., .. ,, , , is a key point. thank you very, very much. is a key point. thank you very, very much- colin — is a key point. thank you very, very much. colin miller, _ is a key point. thank you very, very much. colin miller, the _ is a key point. thank you very, very much. colin miller, the football- much. colin miller, the football writer for the daily mirror. much. colin miller, the football writerfor the daily mirror. some people saying it's part of spanish culture, is that right? you are spanish living in london at the moment, is that right?- spanish living in london at the moment, is that right? good morning, es, i am. moment, is that right? good morning, yes. i am- what _ moment, is that right? good morning, yes, i am. what did _ moment, is that right? good morning, yes, i am. what did you _ moment, is that right? good morning, yes, i am. what did you make - moment, is that right? good morning, yes, i am. what did you make of- moment, is that right? good morning, yes, i am. what did you make of it, i yes, i am. what did you make of it, ou must yes, i am. what did you make of it, you must have _ yes, i am. what did you make of it, you must have been _ yes, i am. what did you make of it, you must have beenjubilant- you must have beenjubilant celebrating the women's win? it is celebrating the women's win? it is clear leave _ celebrating the women's win? it is clear leave true _ celebrating the women's win? it 3 clear leave true that hugging and kissing people in spain as part of the culture but this is completely different. the way he was grabbing her was like kind of you are mine type of thing. we also have to think that it type of thing. we also have to think thatitis type of thing. we also have to think that it is not only about the kiss. he was actually grabbing his crotch a few metres away from the queen. so it's the type of natcho attitude that seems he can do anything. ——

cro attitude. and it is a shame that something... i cro attitude. and it is a shame that something... lam not cro attitude. and it is a shame that something... i am not a football fan by the way but i recognise this is a massive, massive event for spanish football, especially female players, and the fact that this guy has been ruining the celebration is just disgusting. he should be automatically go out. i mean, lose thejob automatically go out. i mean, lose the job instantly. automatically go out. i mean, lose thejob instantly. it automatically go out. i mean, lose the job instantly.— the 'ob instantly. if he had come out the job instantly. if he had come out immediately _ the job instantly. if he had come out immediately and _ the job instantly. if he had come out immediately and said, - the job instantly. if he had come out immediately and said, i - the job instantly. if he had come out immediately and said, i am. out immediately and said, i am sorry, it was a mistake, it was spontaneous but i realise i shouldn't have done it, do you think this would have all gone away? i don't think it would go away. also, if he says sorry, it would be up to the player to decide ok, we accept the player to decide ok, we accept

the apology, but i don't think sarri is enough. the apology, but i don't think sarri is enouah. ., ., , is enough. there would have been further to d0- _ is enough. there would have been further to do. so _ is enough. there would have been further to do. so good _ is enough. there would have been further to do. so good to - is enough. there would have been further to do. so good to hear- is enough. there would have been further to do. so good to hear a i further to do. so good to hear a spanish voice at the end of this discussion and thank you for calling us this morning. we really appreciate it. time now to say goodbye to viewers on bbc news and bbc two. thank you for your company. we are following this conversation on five live and you can listen on bbc iplayer also. live from london. this is bbc news. police forces in england and wales are told every theft must be investigated, as the home secretary says she wants to see radical change

in tackling minor crimes. spain's football federation will hold an urgent meeting in response to the controversy surrounding its president luis rubiales after he kissed a player on the lips. france will ban students from wearing abayas — robes worn by some muslim women — in state—run schools. hello, i'm luxmy gopal. police forces in england and wales have committed to pursuing all "reasonable lines of inquiry" in an effort to solve more crimes. the government says it wants to make it clear there is "no such thing as a minor crime", with a clampdown focussing on offences like car theft and shoplifting. our home editor mark easton reports. smart doorbells, dashcams, mobile phones and the power of google mean more crime victims believe they've obtained good evidence to identify the culprit.

but there's been rising frustration that officers are not going after offenders of lower level crime such as shoplifting,