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people on will definitely speak to people on the flight to see what their plans are. ~, ~' the flight to see what their plans are. a, ~ , a, the flight to see what their plans are. ~, ~ , a, y the flight to see what their plans are. a, ~ , a the flight to see what their plans are. a, ~' y a a, are. thank you very much for speaking _ are. thank you very much for speaking to _ are. thank you very much for speaking to us, _ are. thank you very much for speaking to us, we _ are. thank you very much for| speaking to us, we appreciate are. thank you very much for - speaking to us, we appreciate your time. good luck, we hope you get on a plane soon. we are going to try to speak now to michelle robson. she is currently stuck on the tarmac at jersey airport, trying to get back to london. can you hear as? yesi jersey airport, trying to get back to london. can you hear as? yes i am here, sat to london. can you hear as? yes i am here. sat on — to london. can you hear as? yes i am here. sat on the _ to london. can you hear as? yes i am here, sat on the tarmac _ to london. can you hear as? yes i am here, sat on the tarmac at _ to london. can you hear as? yes i am here, sat on the tarmac at jersey - here, sat on the tarmac atjersey airport. here, sat on the tarmac at jersey airort. ., ,., ., here, sat on the tarmac at jersey airort. ., , ., ,, airport. you poor thing, i assume ou don't airport. you poor thing, i assume you don't want — airport. you poor thing, i assume you don't want to _ airport. you poor thing, i assume you don't want to be _ airport. you poor thing, i assume you don't want to be doing - airport. you poor thing, i assume you don't want to be doing that. l you don't want to be doing that. what have you been told? we are currently about _ what have you been told? we are currently about an _ what have you been told? we are currently about an hour— what have you been told? we are currently about an hour later - what have you been told? we are currently about an hour later than when we should have taken off. we had a bit of a nightmare. we had to evacuate the terminal and stand outside due to a fire alarm. we are now all on board and the pilot has said that they have told air traffic control that we are ready but at the moment we don't have any slot. we arejust hoping that moment we don't have any slot. we are just hoping that we can get a
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slot. otherflights here have been delayed inevitably big because they don't have the aircraft. for delayed inevitably big because they don't have the aircraft.— don't have the aircraft. for you and our don't have the aircraft. for you and your fellow— don't have the aircraft. for you and your fellow passengers _ don't have the aircraft. for you and your fellow passengers have - don't have the aircraft. for you and your fellow passengers have you i don't have the aircraft. for you and | your fellow passengers have you got supplies got food and water? we be ok if delay carries on? the? supplies got food and water? we be ok if delay carries on?— ok if delay carries on? they have 'ust come ok if delay carries on? they have just come round _ ok if delay carries on? they have just come round and _ ok if delay carries on? they have just come round and given - ok if delay carries on? they have just come round and given us - ok if delay carries on? they have l just come round and given us some water. we have only been here for not quite an hour yet. at the moment it is absolutely fine. jersey airport was not too busy today so it is not a bad place to be stuck. everyone is calm on board. we are pretty good here. everyone is calm on board. we are pretty good here-— pretty good here. what about the information _ pretty good here. what about the information that _ pretty good here. what about the information that we _ pretty good here. what about the information that we got _ pretty good here. what about the information that we got so - pretty good here. what about the information that we got so far, i pretty good here. what about the i information that we got so far, this air traffic control, digital systems, technical issues. we don't know much more than that. i am know much more than that. i am actually a _ know much more than that. i am actually a former— know much more than that. i am actually a former air _ know much more than that. i am actually a former air traffic - actually a former air traffic controller and the outages is affecting both senses at the uk, so there is one in prestwick in scotland and it is actually the flight planning system. each
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aircraft... the controllers need to be able to handle it, need information on the flight number, where it is going. all of that is sent to them their screen. if the system goes down they have four hours' worth of data stored. at that point they have to go manual. as far as we can tell they have not been able to fix the failure and they have gone manual which is causing the delay. what is likely to happen now is they are not used to working that way so once they get more comfortable than i would expect them to maybe start allowing a few more aircraft to depart. obviously there is going to be quite a backlog. i will be expecting there to be quite a few cancellations. i’m will be expecting there to be quite a few cancellations.— will be expecting there to be quite a few cancellations. i'm 'ust asking a few cancellations. i'm 'ust asking a bit about that. h a few cancellations. i'm 'ust asking a bit about that. given _ a few cancellations. i'm just asking a bit about that. given your- a few cancellations. i'm just asking a bit about that. given your expect | a bit about that. given your expect delete my expertise, the perfect person to talk to. what has gone manual mean? how the planes being guided into the airport and how are they being guided as they take off?
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what is happening in air traffic control? , ., , what is happening in air traffic control? , . , ., ., ., ., control? they have still got a radar screen that — control? they have still got a radar screen that is _ control? they have still got a radar screen that is still _ control? they have still got a radar screen that is still speaking, - control? they have still got a radar screen that is still speaking, it - control? they have still got a radar screen that is still speaking, it is l screen that is still speaking, it is more behind the system. normally flight plans will be entered by the airlines, it is all in the system automatically, whereas now, once they have an out of date that they are having to enter all that manually behind—the—scenes. that means it takes quite a while all the data to get through. theyjust can't handle as much as they would normally and maybe they don't have quite as much data as they would. in terms of safety it is extremely safe, it isjust terms of safety it is extremely safe, it is just slightly different to normal and there is a lot of manual passing of information. everything is a lot slower. and manual passing of information. everything is a lot slower. and can ou do everything is a lot slower. and can you do things _ everything is a lot slower. and can you do things like _ everything is a lot slower. and can you do things like bring _ everything is a lot slower. and can you do things like bring in - everything is a lot slower. and can you do things like bring in extra i you do things like bring in extra staff at moments like this? thea;r you do things like bring in extra staff at moments like this? they can certainly ask. _ staff at moments like this? they can certainly ask, but _ staff at moments like this? they can certainly ask, but because _ certainly ask, but because controllers are very strictly
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regulated they can only work certain hours. there were only a small number of people that would potentially be available, and there are people on leave, so in a situation like this they would normally put out some sort of message asking if anyone is available. a lot of the issue with this is more the behind—the—scenes stuff. they are less regulated in their hours. but they will certainly be looking to try to get back extra staff. . , . . . be looking to try to get back extra staff. . ,. . ., , , staff. fascinating. iam guessing our role staff. fascinating. iam guessing your role in— staff. fascinating. iam guessing your role in the _ staff. fascinating. iam guessing your role in the plane _ staff. fascinating. iam guessing your role in the plane is - staff. fascinating. iam guessing your role in the plane is to i staff. fascinating. i am guessing your role in the plane is to try i staff. fascinating. i am guessing your role in the plane is to try to j your role in the plane is to try to explain as much of that to everyone so everyone stays relaxed and calm. i have been chatting to the pilots! everyone seems quite calm at the moment, fortunately, probably because we haven't been here to long and they are looking after as well. the fact we are on the plane makes people feel a bit more reassured that we might actually be going somewhere. i that we might actually be going somewhere-— somewhere. i will ask you in a coule somewhere. i will ask you in a couple of _ somewhere. i will ask you in a couple of hours' _ somewhere. i will ask you in a couple of hours' time - somewhere. i will ask you in a couple of hours' time if- somewhere. i will ask you in a i couple of hours' time if everyone is still as relaxed! fingers crossed you get off the tarmac and you get in the air as soon as possible.
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absolutely fascinating to talk to you and get your insight about what could potentially be going on behind the scenes in air traffic control. thank you so much. his the scenes in air traffic control. thank you so much. no problem, thanks. thank you so much. no problem, thanrs- that— thank you so much. no problem, thanks. that was _ thank you so much. no problem, thanks. that was really _ thank you so much. no problem, | thanks. that was really interesting there, a thanks. that was really interesting there. a bit _ thanks. that was really interesting there. a bit of— thanks. that was really interesting there, a bit of an _ thanks. that was really interesting there, a bit of an insight _ thanks. that was really interesting there, a bit of an insight into i there, a bit of an insight into what, gone manual, potentially means, entering in all that data about everything that is in the air, manually passing the information around between the operatives. it is just a much slower process which means you can get fewer planes of the ground, fewer planes back onto the ground, fewer planes back onto the ground, fewer planes back onto the ground in any given time. that will mean therefore, delays. stay with us here because there is plenty more coverage to come. i am lewis vaughanjones and you are watching bbc news. thank you very much for your company with. we had to pause as we said goodbye to some of our viewers. this is bbc news and we are continuing our coverage of the
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technical issues with air traffic control systems here in the uk, which is impacting notjust people in the uk, but people flying into and out of the country from right around the world. our reporter nicky schiller is keeping an eye on those flights and everything that is happening. what is happening? you can see happening. what is happening? ym. can see behind me here, this is flight radar 2a, which tracks all the planes that are taking off and landing at the moment in the united kingdom. just looking at manchester airport arrivals, and we have the cope and hagan flight that was due at 1350 cancelled. the flight from dublin at 1355 cancelled. the flight from palma at five past two, now expected at 1517. there are definitely cancellations and delays and we have been reporting. our transport correspondent reports that there are about 3000 flights due to land and 3000 to take off, but it is
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crucial that we reemphasise that air traffic control is not closed. the flights are landing. here is heathrow, and i think you canjust see out of here, around basingstoke, there are a lot of planes that are stacking up. if we zoom in on heathrow airport, you will be able to see that we have the planes on the runway. this is the runway where they are landing. nothing coming in at the moment, as i speak, but as you were talking to paul charles a little earlier run, he was underneath the flight path at heathrow and he was saying that the flights were arriving. the difference is that there is a management system in place by air traffic control, which means normally, a flight would [and here at heathrow every 45 seconds, and thatis at heathrow every 45 seconds, and that is a little bit slower at the moment. this is to make sure that those flights [and safely. the other issue is, there are flights that have been taking off but but they are not taking off as quickly as they normally would do. i know that, what is happening at a lot of the
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airports, is people are still being told to check in on time, and if the flight is there they will get on board. it doesn't mean it is going to take off on time. we just saw gatwick airport saying they are aware, of course, of these problems, urging people to check with their eye airlines and that flights can be cancelled. if we zoom out you can see, across the whole of the uk, there are the flights. there are less coming in, and this is the interesting thing. this is where the problem is going to be. the delays and cancellations will be for flights coming into the uk. say, for example, you have been on holiday in new york and you are waiting there at the moment for a flight back into the uk. it is of course the end of the uk. it is of course the end of the summer holidays, a bank holiday monday here in england. you're in new york and expecting your flight to come back. what is happening with a lot of the airlines, they are putting a hold on those flights at
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the moment, because they don't know how long this problem is going to last. that is where those big delays that we have heard about, of say, 12 hours in some cases, are building up, and what is happening in the airlines at the moment, is they, in their operation centres, are deciding which flights they need to cancel, which flights they need to postpone, and which flights they are going to put delays into. talking to someone in the airline industry, often what happens is, the flights that are more european, the short—haulflights, are that are more european, the short—haul flights, are the ones that often get cancelled first. the big airlines would try to get their long haulflights out, so it may big airlines would try to get their long haul flights out, so it may be that flights to america do take off, even though they are delayed. the issue will be that the flights leaving new york, washington, for example and coming back into the uk, may get cancelled, because at the moment, we do not know what the issueis moment, we do not know what the issue is with the nats system. we know there is an issue but they haven't said what it is. or,
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crucially, how long it will last. that is what is causing the airlines to actually put a hold on those flights from leaving those foreign destinations.— flights from leaving those foreign destinations. . ,. . . ~' , .. destinations. fascinating, thank you so much for — destinations. fascinating, thank you so much for that. _ destinations. fascinating, thank you so much for that. just _ destinations. fascinating, thank you so much for that. just bring - destinations. fascinating, thank you so much for that. just bring you i so much for that. just bring you some of the state since we are getting in from airlines and from airports. the message is pretty similar. giving you a sense of what they are saying, aer lingus saying we are aware of a failure involving uk air traffic we are aware of a failure involving uk airtraffic and we are aware of a failure involving uk air traffic and service planning systems, outside of aer lingus control and causing severe restrictions on all flights into the uk and flying over uk airspace today. similar statements too from virgin atlantic, apologising in advance to customers who may be affected and urging people to check their flight status in advance. plenty more coverage of the disruption that is ongoing, for the moment we will take a quick pause and get the weather. hello. there
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are still some shells out there today, but on the whole they are not as potent as the downpours we have seen over the last couple of days. quite large amounts of clouds to take us through the rest of the afternoon. breaking to reveal some spells of sunshine, but equally still producing one of two mainly light showers. showers could crop up just about anywhere, but there will be breaks in the cloud, some spells of sunshine. late in the afternoon this band of rain approaching the north—west of scotland. temperatures generally between 16 and 21 degrees. not feeling too bad in any brighter spells. it is not particularly windy out there. through tonight this band of rain will push south—eastward to cost scotland. company odd flash of lightning and rumble of thunder. a bit of patchy rain across northern ireland, into north—west england by the end of the night. behind our rain band the skies will clear out and so they should be quite a lot of sunshine to start tomorrow morning. there will be mcleod in england and
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wales, a band of showers pushing southwards and eastwards. another band of heavy downpours pushing on across the northern half of scotland, may be getting into some central parts of scotland by the end of the afternoon. temperatures generally between 15 and 21 degrees. later in the day, is this frontal system pushes across the south—east of england, we could see some heavier showers, of england, we could see some heaviershowers, maybe of england, we could see some heavier showers, maybe the odd thunderstorm. still some shells around on wednesday, weak ridge of high pressure trying to build its way in. i think we will see some showers, particularly across northern and eastern parts of the uk. furtherwest, northern and eastern parts of the uk. further west, something a little drier and brighter, at least for a time. temperatures may be a little bit higher in some spots, 18, 19 or 20 degrees. we can see cloud and rain gathering behind me. some outbreaks of quite heavy rain pushing across mostly southern parts of england and wales. that rain could drift into northern england and northern ireland for a time. some sunny spells elsewhere and temperatures between 16 and 19 degrees. then we head into the start
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of september. actually there are some signs that high pressure will try to build just in time for the weekend. there is quite a lot of uncertainty about the detail in the forecast for the end of the week. still some showers around, but signs that things for many of us will start to turn just a little drier, and maybe warmer.
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say they saw the worst of society through their football federation president luis rubiales after he kissed a player on the lips. an urgent meeting of the federation is due today. france will ban students from wearing abayas, robes worn by some muslim women, in state run schools. and the uk fire brigades union raise concerns about the migrant barge moored on england's south coast. the home secretary accuses the brigade of political attack. hello, welcome to bbc news now, three hours of fast—moving news, interviews and reaction. we start with our breaking news. a technical issue has hit uk air traffic control systems, with airlines warning of delays to flights. britain's national air traffic services said it was experiencing "technical issues" and has "applied traffic flow restrictions to maintain safety". and that engineers are working to identify and fix the fault.
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