the question your company. this is the question we are asking today... from today, if you drive a noncompliant car or van anywhere in greater london, you will be charged £12 50 per day. this is part of sadiq khan's expansion of ulez. but it is notjust about london, these clean—air zones are being set up right across the country. this may be happening where you are living as well, slightly different schemes, but always the same mission, and isn't it better for the panic, for our health, for our well—being if we step out of our cars and find alternative means of transport? the mayor of london claims most cars driving through greater london are already compliant with ulez, but what if your vehicle isn't and you can't afford to replace it even with help from the government scrappage scheme? what if you live on the outer edges and you cannot get any financial help but

you need to go into london for work, hospital appointments, to visit an elderly relative? doesn't a scheme like this impact those on the lowest incomes? isn't that inevitable? as parts of the country are doing this. bradford, birmingham, bristol, loads of places, several areas in scotland, all with the same mission, to clean up our cities�*s and improve our health. the question is, is the sacrifice worth it? well ulez improve your life? give us a call, the lines are open now. and we are run this right through until 11 o'clock this morning because we know how passionate people feel about it, we know so many of you will want to have your say. the lines are already very

busy. do keep calling. before we begin, let's get the latest bbc news. there is a warning it could take days for flight schedules to return to normal after yesterday's technical frauds with the air traffic control system hundreds of flights were cancelled. the mayor of london has told five live that expanding london's ulez is vital to prevent illness and death. ulez sees drivers of the most polluting vehicles charged £12.50 per day. the search for the father of sara sharif has been widened. herfather, his partner and brother are believed to have flown to pakistan. the spanish football federation leaders have called on luis rubiales to resign. the president has faced

strong criticism focusing jenni hermosa on the lips. good morning, everyone. thank you for being with us this morning. this morning, it is all about ulez. just before we came on—air, i was sent to sadiq khan, the mayor of london, doing another interview with the bbc, explaining why this is so important p says ulez is not about money, that is one thing once to make the efforts of all the money they do make will go back into public transport in greater london. and this issue that it could affect those on the lowest incomes, he says 70% of lowest income families in london don't even own a car. but actually they are the group that is worth women are worst affected by air pollution. he calls it a public

health crisis. that is why he feels this kind of drastic action is needed. 20 of cities around the country are introducing similar schemes. let us know how it is working for you at the moment. we can go straight to our cause. first, let's speak to linda, good morning. and we have also got gemma harrison. good to have your company as well. linda, how does it feel? not good. not good at all. i agree we need to do something for cleaner air, doing this £12 50 charge right now is not really going to help businesses, the poorer people, why could delve waited 18 months? when

it was introduced in 2018, they had 18 months, and we have been given eight to nine months�* warning on it. i applied for the scrappage, car scrappage, because my car was not compliant, i was told because of my address, it is a dartford address, by —— the business address, it does not apply, i cannot get it. yet i have to pay the ulez charge. i am not uuite have to pay the ulez charge. i am not quite sure _ have to pay the ulez charge. i am not quite sure how _ have to pay the ulez charge. i am not quite sure how that _ have to pay the ulez charge. i am not quite sure how that works. tell us how this is going to impact on you and your business. i us how this is going to impact on you and your business.— us how this is going to impact on you and your business. i have got to -a £12 50 you and your business. i have got to pay £12 50 a — you and your business. i have got to pay £12 50 a day _ you and your business. i have got to pay £12 50 a day to _ you and your business. i have got to pay £12 50 a day to go _ you and your business. i have got to pay £12 50 a day to go to _ you and your business. i have got to pay £12 50 a day to go to work. - you and your business. i have got to pay £12 50 a day to go to work. that is just for me. if the brides are coming to me, they might pay that initial charge, but...— initial charge, but... looks like we have lost linda. _ initial charge, but... looks like we have lost linda. we _ initial charge, but... looks like we have lost linda. we will _ initial charge, but... looks like we have lost linda. we will try - initial charge, but... looks like we have lost linda. we will try to - initial charge, but... looks like we

have lost linda. we will try to get | have lost linda. we will try to get back to her. jemima, you can hear linda saying she does not disagree with this in principle, but there isjust she does not disagree with this in principle, but there is just so little time to prepare. do you accept that argument? i totally acce -t accept that argument? i totally accept that _ accept that argument? i totally accept that argument - accept that argument? i totally accept that argument that - accept that argument? i totally accept that argument that this| accept that argument? i totally. accept that argument that this is hitting _ accept that argument that this is hitting people at a bad time and this is_ hitting people at a bad time and this is a — hitting people at a bad time and this is a really... there are verym _ this is a really... there are very... there are going to be people badly— very... there are going to be people badly affected. clearly some things have badly affected. clearly somethings have not— badly affected. clearly some things have not been ironed out properly. but i _ have not been ironed out properly. but i think— have not been ironed out properly. but i think we need to look at other things— but i think we need to look at other things as _ but i think we need to look at other things as well and in london, we have _ things as well and in london, we have 250,000 children with asthma. this is— have 250,000 children with asthma. this is children who at times will miss— this is children who at times will miss out— this is children who at times will miss out on_ this is children who at times will miss out on school, who at times have _ miss out on school, who at times have to _ miss out on school, who at times have to have _ miss out on school, who at times have to have their parents at home caring _ have to have their parents at home caring for— have to have their parents at home caring for them. have to have their parents at home caring forthem. in have to have their parents at home caring for them. in 2021— 22, have to have their parents at home caring forthem. in 2021— 22, we had well— caring forthem. in 2021— 22, we had well over 2800 children admitted to hospital, being scared, unable to

breaths _ to hospital, being scared, unable to breathe. what i think is the problem here is— breathe. what i think is the problem here is that — breathe. what i think is the problem here is that we are still one of the richest _ here is that we are still one of the richest countries, richest economies in the _ richest countries, richest economies in the world, — richest countries, richest economies in the world, and we are finding oursetves— in the world, and we are finding ourselves where children's needs is being _ ourselves where children's needs is being pitted against business interests and thatjust being pitted against business interests and that just feels so incredibly wrong. i don't understand why the _ incredibly wrong. i don't understand why the national government is not doing _ why the national government is not doing more. why the national government is not doing more-— why the national government is not doin more. ., �* ., ., doing more. couldn't sadiq khan have uiven doing more. couldn't sadiq khan have given people — doing more. couldn't sadiq khan have given people a — doing more. couldn't sadiq khan have given people a little _ doing more. couldn't sadiq khan have given people a little bit _ doing more. couldn't sadiq khan have given people a little bit longer - doing more. couldn't sadiq khan have given people a little bit longer to - given people a little bit longer to sort themselves out and prepare for this change, those on the outer reaches of greater london, those living outside the boundary, who will not get help from the scrappage scheme? this is inevitably going to hit small businesses. i scheme? this is inevitably going to hit small businesses.— hit small businesses. i think we really cannot — hit small businesses. i think we really cannot put _ hit small businesses. i think we really cannot put their - hit small businesses. i think we really cannot put their pollution and children's health into the long grass— and children's health into the long grass either. the organisation i found _ grass either. the organisation i found it — grass either. the organisation i found it when i was on maternity leave _ found it when i was on maternity leave for— found it when i was on maternity leave for the first time, we have

been _ leave for the first time, we have been campaigning since around 2018. we would _ been campaigning since around 2018. we would have liked it to have come in years _ we would have liked it to have come in years ago. — we would have liked it to have come in years ago, being announced years a-o in years ago, being announced years ago as— in years ago, being announced years ago as well — in years ago, being announced years ago as well. we in years ago, being announced years ago as well-— in years ago, being announced years ago as well. we have linda back with us. you ago as well. we have linda back with us- you have — ago as well. we have linda back with us. you have heard _ ago as well. we have linda back with us. you have heard most— ago as well. we have linda back with us. you have heard most of- ago as well. we have linda back with us. you have heard most of the - us. you have heard most of the arguments, this is an emergency in terms of public health, children�*s health and we cannot afford to wait any longer to introduce measures like this. i any longer to introduce measures like this. , ., ., like this. i understand about children's — like this. i understand about children's hell. _ like this. i understand about children's hell. i _ like this. i understand about children's hell. i am - like this. i understand about i children's hell. i am asthmatic, like this. i understand about - children's hell. i am asthmatic, i children�*s hell. i am asthmatic, i have a granddaughter who is affected. ironed us and we have to do something but he needed to have given us longer than eight, nine months for us to sort out our businesses, cars etc.- months for us to sort out our businesses, cars etc. what are you auoin to businesses, cars etc. what are you going to do. _ businesses, cars etc. what are you going to do, linda? _ businesses, cars etc. what are you going to do, linda? how _ businesses, cars etc. what are you going to do, linda? how are - businesses, cars etc. what are you going to do, linda? how are you . going to do, linda? how are you going to do, linda? how are you going to do, linda? how are you going to manage this extra cost? i really haven't got a clue. 0n howl really haven�*t got a clue. 0n howl am going to afford for myself to get

to work. and to keep my business going. to work. and to keep my business anoin. ~ , ., to work. and to keep my business hoinr to work. and to keep my business uaoin.~ i to work. and to keep my business going-_ i have - to work. and to keep my business going-_ i have goti going. will you pay it? i have got to take it to _ going. will you pay it? i have got to take it to go _ going. will you pay it? i have got to take it to go to _ going. will you pay it? i have got to take it to go to work— going. will you pay it? i have got to take it to go to work all- going. will you pay it? i have got to take it to go to work all right l to take it to go to work all right will be fine, i have no choice, but i don�*t know how long i can it for. you have spoken to your customers about it as well. i you have spoken to your customers about it as well.— about it as well. i have spoken to my customers — about it as well. i have spoken to my customers about _ about it as well. i have spoken to my customers about it _ about it as well. i have spoken to my customers about it and - about it as well. i have spoken to my customers about it and they l about it as well. i have spoken to i my customers about it and they are also concerned. they have to come back for fittings. it is notjust one, sometimes it can be three, four fittings. and they have to pay every time they come in.— time they come in. ultimately, do ou think time they come in. ultimately, do you think your— time they come in. ultimately, do you think your business _ time they come in. ultimately, do you think your business can - time they come in. ultimately, do i you think your business can survive? the way it looks with all of this, no. i am the way it looks with all of this, no. iam hoping it does the way it looks with all of this, no. i am hoping it does and the way it looks with all of this, no. iam hoping it does and i the way it looks with all of this, no. i am hoping it does and i will fight with everything i have got to keep it going. and it is notjust my business. there will be a lot of businesses. but the weight is going, i will not. is businesses. but the weight is going, i will not. , ., , businesses. but the weight is going,

i will not. , . , , ., i will not. is there anything you can tell linda _ i will not. is there anything you can tell linda anything - i will not. is there anything you can tell linda anything that - i will not. is there anything you can tell linda anything that willj can tell linda anything that will offer her any kind of reassurance? i don't have anything to say. i am not in charge _ don't have anything to say. i am not in charge of— don't have anything to say. i am not in charge of public finances. but what _ in charge of public finances. but what i _ in charge of public finances. but what i can— in charge of public finances. but what i can say is that... we have had national— what i can say is that... we have had national government supporting people _ had national government supporting people outside the zone, such as people _ people outside the zone, such as people living in dartford, to be able _ people living in dartford, to be able tom _ people living in dartford, to be able to... access that and it feels like a _ able to... access that and it feels like a politicised issue that london would _ like a politicised issue that london would not — like a politicised issue that london would not get this kind of support and people who live just outside the border— and people who live just outside the border are _ and people who live just outside the border are going to be affected by the ulez— border are going to be affected by the ulez zone, obviously, are not eligible _ the ulez zone, obviously, are not eligible for — the ulez zone, obviously, are not eligible for the scrappage scheme and that— eligible for the scrappage scheme and that i— eligible for the scrappage scheme and that i find again a really, really— and that i find again a really, really appalling injustice. ijust find that— really appalling injustice. ijust find that we are seeing this is a really— find that we are seeing this is a really politicised issue. linda, get

in touch — really politicised issue. linda, get in touch. we should write a letter togetherm — in touch. we should write a letter together- - -_ together... perfect, i would love that. together... perfect, i would love that- let's _ together... perfect, i would love that. let's see _ together. .. perfect, i would love that. let's see if— together... perfect, i would love that. let's see if we _ together... perfect, i would love that. let's see if we can - together... perfect, i would love that. let's see if we can get - together... perfect, i would love that. let's see if we can get the | that. let's see if we can get the two of you _ that. let's see if we can get the two of you together. _ that. let's see if we can get the | two of you together. ultimately, that. let's see if we can get the - two of you together. ultimately, you have your own family�*s interests at heart. people will sympathise with your lender, and jemima is concerned about children�*s hell. but you are not going to be anti—improving the quality of air in our city. much appreciated, you being on the programme this morning. good look, linda. linda cannot scrap car, is not eligible for the scrappage scheme but she still has to pay because that is where her businesses base. we will hear mayor of london in a moment. let�*s talk to amy, professor of energy policy. good morning. we

need to slightly delve into the science behind all of this and whether these kind of air zones do what they are intended to do, improve public health, what evidence is there of that? i am improve public health, what evidence is there of that?— is there of that? i am not a scientist- — is there of that? i am not a scientist. i— is there of that? i am not a scientist. i am _ is there of that? i am not a scientist. i am interested l is there of that? i am not a | scientist. i am interested in is there of that? i am not a - scientist. i am interested in how scientist. lam interested in how policies — scientist. lam interested in how policies that _ scientist. lam interested in how policies that are _ scientist. lam interested in how policies that are intended - scientist. lam interested in how policies that are intended to - policies that are intended to improve _ policies that are intended to improve the _ policies that are intended to improve the climate - policies that are intended to improve the climate and - policies that are intended to improve the climate and our policies that are intended to - improve the climate and our health are received — improve the climate and our health are received. and _ improve the climate and our health are received. and how— improve the climate and our health are received. and how the - improve the climate and our health are received. and how the public. are received. and how the public respond — are received. and how the public respond to— are received. and how the public respond to them. _ are received. and how the public respond to them. there - are received. and how the public respond to them. there is- are received. and how the public respond to them. there is no. are received. and how the public. respond to them. there is no doubt in my— respond to them. there is no doubt in my mind — respond to them. there is no doubt in my mind that— respond to them. there is no doubt in my mind that these _ respond to them. there is no doubt in my mind that these kinds- respond to them. there is no doubt in my mind that these kinds of- respond to them. there is no doubt in my mind that these kinds of lowl in my mind that these kinds of low emission— in my mind that these kinds of low emission zones— in my mind that these kinds of low emission zones are _ in my mind that these kinds of low emission zones are needed - in my mind that these kinds of low emission zones are needed and i emission zones are needed and something _ emission zones are needed and something that _ emission zones are needed and something that i _ emission zones are needed and something that i think- emission zones are needed and something that i think is- emission zones are needed and something that i think is reallyl something that i think is really positive — something that i think is really positive -- _ something that i think is really positive —— positive _ something that i think is really positive —— positive about - something that i think is really positive —— positive about ulez something that i think is really. positive —— positive about ulez is that it _ positive —— positive about ulez is that it extends _ positive —— positive about ulez is that it extends to _ positive —— positive about ulez is that it extends to the _ positive —— positive about ulez is that it extends to the entire - positive —— positive about ulez is that it extends to the entire city, so we _ that it extends to the entire city, so we have — that it extends to the entire city, so we have a _ that it extends to the entire city, so we have a clean _ that it extends to the entire city, so we have a clean air— that it extends to the entire city, so we have a clean air zone - that it extends to the entire city, so we have a clean air zone in. so we have a clean air zone in sheffield _ so we have a clean air zone in sheffield where _ so we have a clean air zone in sheffield where i— so we have a clean air zone in sheffield where i live - so we have a clean air zone in sheffield where i live that - so we have a clean air zone inj sheffield where i live that has recently — sheffield where i live that has recently been _ sheffield where i live that has recently been introduced - sheffield where i live that has recently been introduced hadl sheffield where i live that has. recently been introduced had it sheffield where i live that has - recently been introduced had it only was recently been introduced had it only goes around — recently been introduced had it only goes around the _ recently been introduced had it only goes around the city _ recently been introduced had it only goes around the city centre, - recently been introduced had it only goes around the city centre, the - goes around the city centre, the ring-road — goes around the city centre, the ring-road that _ goes around the city centre, the ring—road that surrounds - goes around the city centre, the ring—road that surrounds the - goes around the city centre, the| ring—road that surrounds the city centre. _ ring—road that surrounds the city centre. and _ ring—road that surrounds the city centre. and it— ring—road that surrounds the city centre, and it neglects— ring—road that surrounds the city centre, and it neglects to - ring—road that surrounds the city. centre, and it neglects to improve air quality— centre, and it neglects to improve air quality where _ centre, and it neglects to improve air quality where we _ centre, and it neglects to improve air quality where we need - centre, and it neglects to improve air quality where we need it - centre, and it neglects to improve air quality where we need it mostl centre, and it neglects to improve i air quality where we need it most in residential— air quality where we need it most in residential areas, _ air quality where we need it most in residential areas, around _ air quality where we need it most in residential areas, around schools, i residential areas, around schools, there _ residential areas, around schools, there are — residential areas, around schools, there are many— residential areas, around schools, there are many air— residential areas, around schools,

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public health benefits of this are really hard for people to deny i public health benefits of this are i really hard for people to deny but it is a _ really hard for people to deny but it is a tension _ really hard for people to deny but it is a tension in— really hard for people to deny but it is a tension in their— really hard for people to deny but it is a tension in their minds i it is a tension in their minds between _ it is a tension in their minds between that— it is a tension in their minds between that and _ it is a tension in their minds between that and actually. it is a tension in their minds - between that and actually changing the profile — between that and actually changing the profile of— between that and actually changing the profile of their— between that and actually changing the profile of their outgoings. i- the profile of their outgoings. i think— the profile of their outgoings. i think there _ the profile of their outgoings. i think there are _ the profile of their outgoings. i think there are other— the profile of their outgoings. i think there are other costs i the profile of their outgoings. i| think there are other costs that the profile of their outgoings. i- think there are other costs that we have had _ think there are other costs that we have had to — think there are other costs that we have had to endure _ think there are other costs that we have had to endure over— think there are other costs that we have had to endure over the - think there are other costs that we have had to endure over the last. have had to endure over the last couple _ have had to endure over the last couple of — have had to endure over the last couple of years. _ have had to endure over the last couple of years, the _ have had to endure over the last couple of years, the spikes i have had to endure over the last couple of years, the spikes in i couple of years, the spikes in petrol— couple of years, the spikes in petrol costs _ couple of years, the spikes in petrol costs for— couple of years, the spikes in petrol costs for example i couple of years, the spikes in petrol costs for example that j couple of years, the spikes in i petrol costs for example that we have _ petrol costs for example that we have moaned _ petrol costs for example that we have moaned about _ petrol costs for example that we have moaned about but - petrol costs for example that we have moaned about but tended i petrol costs for example that we i have moaned about but tended to just swallow _ have moaned about but tended to just swallow and _ have moaned about but tended to just swallow and absorb _ have moaned about but tended to just swallow and absorb and _ have moaned about but tended to just swallow and absorb and kind - have moaned about but tended to just swallow and absorb and kind of- have moaned about but tended to just swallow and absorb and kind of cope i swallow and absorb and kind of cope with _ swallow and absorb and kind of cope with it _ swallow and absorb and kind of cope with it is _ swallow and absorb and kind of cope with. it is surprising _ swallow and absorb and kind of cope with. it is surprising to— swallow and absorb and kind of cope with. it is surprising to me _ swallow and absorb and kind of cope with. it is surprising to me what i swallow and absorb and kind of cope with. it is surprising to me what a i with. it is surprising to me what a backlash— with. it is surprising to me what a backlash this _ with. it is surprising to me what a backlash this gets _ with. it is surprising to me what a backlash this gets when _ with. it is surprising to me what a backlash this gets when it - with. it is surprising to me what a backlash this gets when it is i backlash this gets when it is actually— backlash this gets when it is actually a _ backlash this gets when it is actually a not—for—profit i backlash this gets when it is i actually a not—for—profit thing backlash this gets when it is - actually a not—for—profit thing that is going _ actually a not—for—profit thing that is going to — actually a not—for—profit thing that is going to be _ actually a not—for—profit thing that is going to be reinvested - actually a not—for—profit thing that is going to be reinvested in - actually a not—for—profit thing that is going to be reinvested in publicl is going to be reinvested in public transport — is going to be reinvested in public transport ihie— is going to be reinvested in public transort. ~ ., ., ., transport. we will hear some of that backlash this — transport. we will hear some of that backlash this morning. _ transport. we will hear some of that backlash this morning. let's - transport. we will hear some of that backlash this morning. let's hear i backlash this morning. let�*s hear from the mayor of london, sadiq khan, speaking earlier. he explained why expanding the sound was the right thing to do.—

right thing to do. from today, 5 million more _ right thing to do. from today, 5 million more londoners - right thing to do. from today, 5 million more londoners will. right thing to do. from today, 5 million more londoners will be | million more londoners will be breathing clean air. and that is because of the evidence, the evidence of the consequences of air pollution. more than 4000 mature deaths a year in our city. it also children with stunted lungs forever caused by air pollution. a whole host of health issues for adults, from answer when micro—asthma to cancer. but we also know the evidence shows that ulez works in central london. but also we saw a third fewer children being admitted to hospital with air pollution —related illnesses when we expanded it to inner london. children going to 1400 schools are now breathing clean air. that is sadiq khan, the mayor of

london, speaking earlier. this has come a political issue in recent months. it has been played out in by—elections and will be a hot topic during the next general election as well and that is despite the fact that boris johnson well and that is despite the fact that borisjohnson was the first mayor of london to introduce ulez and it was a deal with the department for transport at the time, grant shapps was the head, to expand ulez initially to that outer london area. it did have department for transport approval but now we�*re seeing a slightly different message from the government. here is what the transport secretary said earlier this morning. he said the government was firmly against this expansion of to greater london. the government does not to greater london. the government does rrot support — to greater london. the government does not support the _ to greater london. the government does not support the roll-out i to greater london. the government does not support the roll-out of- does not support the roll—out of ulez to the whole of greater london. we have been very clear about that. in the latest letter from the department for transport, we made it clear that no central government money could be used to roll it out, it had to be funded by the mayor of london. i don't have the ability to

block it. it is his decision, the lady —— labour leader could block it by taking steps against the labour mayor of london. he does not want to do that. it is a labour decision and voters in london will be able to have their view when the mayoral actions take place. the conservative candidate has said that she would abolish this roll—out and i think that would be the right decision. the texts are flying in this morning. in london, you get the best deals in the nation comes stop whinging, says one. sadiq khan is right and history will show it. that is from dan in manchester. ulez has nothing to do with reducing the number of cars, it is about extracting money from people who cannot afford fancy new cars. the ritual still be able to drive their range rovers around bond street. ——

the rich. let's go to some of your cause. we have mary, graham, penny, vicky and john. who is feeling the most passionate about this? can john. who is feeling the most passionate about this?- john. who is feeling the most passionate about this? can i speak, rachel? it is _ passionate about this? can i speak, rachel? it is graham. _ passionate about this? can i speak, rachel? it is graham. i— passionate about this? can i speak, rachel? it is graham. i live - passionate about this? can i speak, rachel? it is graham. i live in - passionate about this? can i speak, rachel? it is graham. i live in the i rachel? it is graham. i live in the area and i have serious copd and since the clean—air zone has come in, the area is a lot fresher and i have been able to breathe a lot better in the summer. it is a really good thing. i only live five minutes from the centre of town, so it is quite congested at times. and i think this clean—air zone in london will improve lives. find think this clean-air zone in london will improve lives.— will improve lives. and you have noticed an _ will improve lives. and you have noticed an immediate _ will improve lives. and you have l noticed an immediate difference? will improve lives. and you have i noticed an immediate difference? i have noticed an immediate difference. we have had the clean—air zone around two years now, if i am not mistaken. all the

private cars are hybrids now, the heavy vehicles don't come in so much because of the high charges for them. the air quality has definitely improved in that time, yes, it has. it is a different scheme to the one in london it is a class c clean—air zones. but privately owned cars, you are free to use as you like. yes. are free to use as you like. yes, and there _ are free to use as you like. yes, and there are _ are free to use as you like. yes, and there are a _ are free to use as you like. yes, and there are a lot _ are free to use as you like. yes, and there are a lot of— are free to use as you like. yes, and there are a lot of privately l and there are a lot of privately owned cars that go past my road. but just that little change alone has made a difference that i have noticed. a , made a difference that i have noticed. �* ., , , noticed. mary, in bermondsey, you have heard — noticed. mary, in bermondsey, you have heard the _ noticed. mary, in bermondsey, you have heard the case _ noticed. mary, in bermondsey, you have heard the case from _ noticed. mary, in bermondsey, you have heard the case from graham. | noticed. mary, in bermondsey, you i have heard the case from graham. an immediate impact on someone with health problems affecting their lungs, can't you see the good of this? it lungs, can't you see the good of this? , , . ., �* this? it is quite difficult, i don't see why we _ this? it is quite difficult, i don't see why we have _ this? it is quite difficult, i don't see why we have to _ this? it is quite difficult, i don't see why we have to be - this? it is quite difficult, i don't|

see why we have to be punished because — see why we have to be punished because i— see why we have to be punished because i am a childminder and i use the car_ because i am a childminder and i use the car to— because i am a childminder and i use the car to help me do myjob. we have _ the car to help me do myjob. we have already lost lots of parents because — have already lost lots of parents because of covid and parents keeping their kids _ because of covid and parents keeping their kids at home. now, i woke up this morning, i was supposed to go to the _ this morning, i was supposed to go to the gym — this morning, i was supposed to go to the gym and i cannot afford the £2000 _ to the gym and i cannot afford the £2000 a _ to the gym and i cannot afford the £2000 a year. that is not enough. that would — £2000 a year. that is not enough. that would not get you a car that you can use? i that would not get you a car that you can use?— you can use? i feel punished by bein: a you can use? i feel punished by being a citizen _ you can use? i feel punished by being a citizen and _ you can use? i feel punished by being a citizen and paying - you can use? i feel punished by being a citizen and paying my . you can use? i feel punished by. being a citizen and paying my tax and everything else. it is not considered for us. we cannot afford

it. ., ., ., . considered for us. we cannot afford it. you are a childminder, mary, you must have — it. you are a childminder, mary, you must have concerns _ it. you are a childminder, mary, you must have concerns for _ it. you are a childminder, mary, you must have concerns for the - it. you are a childminder, mary, you must have concerns for the health . it. you are a childminder, mary, you| must have concerns for the health of the children that you look after? i don't think that is a big issue. i remember— don't think that is a big issue. i remember watching a programme, don't think that is a big issue. i rememberwatching a programme, and they did _ remember watching a programme, and they did an_ rememberwatching a programme, and they did an assessment, they had a machine _ they did an assessment, they had a machine to— they did an assessment, they had a machine to measure the clean—air and it was_ machine to measure the clean—air and it was not— machine to measure the clean—air and it was not as _ machine to measure the clean—air and it was not as bad as they say. there was bareiy— it was not as bad as they say. there was barely five kids because of the pollution — was barely five kids because of the ollution. ., ., ., ., ., ., ., pollution. you are not aware of that ourself. pollution. you are not aware of that yourself- you _ pollution. you are not aware of that yourself. you don't _ pollution. you are not aware of that yourself. you don't feel _ pollution. you are not aware of that yourself. you don't feel the - pollution. you are not aware of that yourself. you don't feel the effects| yourself. you don't feel the effects of pollution yourself. ida. yourself. you don't feel the effects of pollution yourself.— of pollution yourself. no, i don't. i work of pollution yourself. no, i don't. i work with _ of pollution yourself. no, i don't. i work with parents _ of pollution yourself. no, i don't. i work with parents and _ of pollution yourself. no, i don't. i work with parents and i - of pollution yourself. no, i don't. i work with parents and i have - of pollution yourself. no, i don't. l i work with parents and i have been a childminder for over 15, 20 years. no one _ a childminder for over 15, 20 years. no one has— a childminder for over 15, 20 years. no one has ever come to me and said this is— no one has ever come to me and said this is a _ no one has ever come to me and said this is a problem. stay no one has ever come to me and said this is a problem.— this is a problem. stay with us, ma . this is a problem. stay with us, mary- vicky _ this is a problem. stay with us, mary- vicky is _ this is a problem. stay with us, mary. vicky is in _ this is a problem. stay with us, mary. vicky is in sutton. - this is a problem. stay with us, mary. vicky is in sutton. you i this is a problem. stay with us, | mary. vicky is in sutton. you are

being pulled into the new expanded zone? , . , being pulled into the new expanded zone? , ., , ., , being pulled into the new expanded zone? , ., , ., zone? yes, that is right, as from toda . zone? yes, that is right, as from today- and _ zone? yes, that is right, as from today- and i— zone? yes, that is right, as from today. and i was _ zone? yes, that is right, as from today. and i was listening - zone? yes, that is right, as from today. and i was listening to - zone? yes, that is right, as from today. and i was listening to the| today. and i was listening to the comments — today. and i was listening to the comments of— today. and i was listening to the comments of mary, _ today. and i was listening to the comments of mary, who - today. and i was listening to the comments of mary, who was - today. and i was listening to the| comments of mary, who was just today. and i was listening to the - comments of mary, who was just on, and i_ comments of mary, who was just on, and i do _ comments of mary, who was just on, and i do understand _ comments of mary, who was just on, and i do understand how— comments of mary, who was just on, and i do understand how she - comments of mary, who was just on, and i do understand how she feels. comments of mary, who was just on, and i do understand how she feels ifl and i do understand how she feels if she has— and i do understand how she feels if she has got— and i do understand how she feels if she has got a — and i do understand how she feels if she has got a car, _ and i do understand how she feels if she has got a car, maybe _ and i do understand how she feels if she has got a car, maybe the - and i do understand how she feels if she has got a car, maybe the mayor| she has got a car, maybe the mayor of london _ she has got a car, maybe the mayor of london should _ she has got a car, maybe the mayor of london should have _ she has got a car, maybe the mayor of london should have increased . she has got a car, maybe the mayorl of london should have increased the scrappage _ of london should have increased the scrappage scheme _ of london should have increased the scrappage scheme to _ of london should have increased the scrappage scheme to help— of london should have increased the scrappage scheme to help people i of london should have increased the i scrappage scheme to help people like mary and _ scrappage scheme to help people like mary and maybe — scrappage scheme to help people like mary and maybe give _ scrappage scheme to help people like mary and maybe give a _ scrappage scheme to help people like mary and maybe give a few _ scrappage scheme to help people like mary and maybe give a few days' - mary and maybe give a few days' grace _ mary and maybe give a few days' grace this— mary and maybe give a few days' grace this week _ mary and maybe give a few days' grace this week for _ mary and maybe give a few days' grace this week for people - mary and maybe give a few days' grace this week for people to - mary and maybe give a few days' grace this week for people to gol grace this week for people to go into that — grace this week for people to go into that session _ grace this week for people to go into that session and _ grace this week for people to go into that session and be - grace this week for people to go into that session and be able - grace this week for people to go into that session and be able to| into that session and be able to change — into that session and be able to change their— into that session and be able to change their cars _ into that session and be able to change their cars to _ into that session and be able to change their cars to ulez - into that session and be able to - change their cars to ulez compliant. i am change their cars to ulez compliant. i am a _ change their cars to ulez compliant. i am a single — change their cars to ulez compliant. i am a single mother. _ change their cars to ulez compliant. i am a single mother. i— change their cars to ulez compliant. i am a single mother. i cannot - change their cars to ulez compliant. i am a single mother. i cannot even| i am a single mother. i cannot even afford _ i am a single mother. i cannot even afford a _ i am a single mother. i cannot even afford a car, — i am a single mother. i cannot even afford a car, so _ i am a single mother. i cannot even afford a car, so i _ i am a single mother. i cannot even afford a car, so i am _ i am a single mother. i cannot even afford a car, so i am the _ i am a single mother. i cannot even afford a car, so i am the one - afford a car, so i am the one standing _ afford a car, so i am the one standing at _ afford a car, so i am the one standing at the _ afford a car, so i am the one standing at the bus - afford a car, so i am the one standing at the bus stop. - afford a car, so i am the one - standing at the bus stop. breathing in the _ standing at the bus stop. breathing in the pollution _ standing at the bus stop. breathing in the pollution and _ standing at the bus stop. breathing in the pollution and the _ standing at the bus stop. breathing in the pollution and the nitrogen i in the pollution and the nitrogen oxide _ in the pollution and the nitrogen oxide i— in the pollution and the nitrogen oxide i did _ in the pollution and the nitrogen oxide. i did see _ in the pollution and the nitrogen oxide. i did see something i in the pollution and the nitrogen oxide. i did see something on i in the pollution and the nitrogen. oxide. i did see something on the government— oxide. i did see something on the government website _ oxide. i did see something on the government website about - oxide. i did see something on the government website about the i government website about the nitrogen — government website about the nitrogen oxide _ government website about the nitrogen oxide count _ government website about the nitrogen oxide count in- government website about the nitrogen oxide count in and i government website about the i nitrogen oxide count in and around saturn— nitrogen oxide count in and around saturn and — nitrogen oxide count in and around saturn and it — nitrogen oxide count in and around saturn and it is _ nitrogen oxide count in and around saturn and it is the _ nitrogen oxide count in and around saturn and it is the highest - nitrogen oxide count in and around saturn and it is the highest in i saturn and it is the highest in north— saturn and it is the highest in north saturn _ saturn and it is the highest in north saturn where _ saturn and it is the highest in north saturn where i - saturn and it is the highest in north saturn where i live. i saturn and it is the highest in i north saturn where i live. when saturn and it is the highest in - north saturn where i live. when my daughter— north saturn where i live. when my daughter was— north saturn where i live. when my daughter was around _ north saturn where i live. when my daughter was around two _ north saturn where i live. when my daughter was around two years i north saturn where i live. when myj daughter was around two years old, she developed — daughter was around two years old, she developed this _ daughter was around two years old, she developed this ongoing - daughter was around two years old, she developed this ongoing cough. daughter was around two years old, i she developed this ongoing cough and they could _ she developed this ongoing cough and they could not — she developed this ongoing cough and they could not find _ she developed this ongoing cough and they could not find anything _ she developed this ongoing cough and they could not find anything wrong i they could not find anything wrong with her— they could not find anything wrong with her but — they could not find anything wrong with her but made _

they could not find anything wrong with her but made a _ they could not find anything wrong with her but made a suggestion i they could not find anything wrong i with her but made a suggestion that it was— with her but made a suggestion that it was the _ with her but made a suggestion that it was the pollution _ with her but made a suggestion that it was the pollution in _ with her but made a suggestion that it was the pollution in this _ with her but made a suggestion that it was the pollution in this case i it was the pollution in this case that was— it was the pollution in this case that was making _ it was the pollution in this case that was making her— it was the pollution in this case that was making her cough. i it was the pollution in this case i that was making her cough. when it was the pollution in this case - that was making her cough. when the pandemic— that was making her cough. when the pandemic hit. — that was making her cough. when the pandemic hit. they— that was making her cough. when the pandemic hit, they were _ that was making her cough. when the pandemic hit, they were less - that was making her cough. when the pandemic hit, they were less cars- pandemic hit, they were less cars around _ pandemic hit, they were less cars around and — pandemic hit, they were less cars around and it— pandemic hit, they were less cars around and it eventually- pandemic hit, they were less carsj around and it eventually stopped, pandemic hit, they were less cars. around and it eventually stopped, so it might _ around and it eventually stopped, so it might have — around and it eventually stopped, so it might have been— around and it eventually stopped, so it might have been the _ around and it eventually stopped, so it might have been the clear- around and it eventually stopped, so it might have been the clear air- it might have been the clear air that helped _ it might have been the clear air that helped her. _ it might have been the clear air that helped her. i— it might have been the clear air that helped her. i was- it might have been the clear air that helped her. i was against. it might have been the clear air- that helped her. i was against ulez at first— that helped her. i was against ulez at first lrut— that helped her. i was against ulez at first but now _ that helped her. i was against ulez at first but now i _ that helped her. i was against ulez at first but now i know— that helped her. i was against ulez at first but now i know more - that helped her. i was against ulez at first but now i know more about| at first but now i know more about it and _ at first but now i know more about it and i_ at first but now i know more about it and i am — at first but now i know more about it and i am the— at first but now i know more about it and i am the one _ at first but now i know more about it and i am the one who— at first but now i know more about it and i am the one who is- at first but now i know more about| it and i am the one who is exposed to the _ it and i am the one who is exposed to the pollution— it and i am the one who is exposed to the pollution any— it and i am the one who is exposed to the pollution any first _ it and i am the one who is exposed to the pollution any first place i to the pollution any first place anyway~ — to the pollution any first place anyway i_ to the pollution any first place anyway. i actually— to the pollution any first place anyway. i actually do - to the pollution any first place anyway. i actually do supportl to the pollution any first place | anyway. i actually do support it to the pollution any first place i anyway. i actually do support it and understand — anyway. i actually do support it and understand why _ anyway. i actually do support it and understand why it _ anyway. i actually do support it and understand why it is _ anyway. i actually do support it and understand why it is happening. i understand why it is happening. people — understand why it is happening. people say— understand why it is happening. people say it— understand why it is happening. people say it is— understand why it is happening. people say it is a _ understand why it is happening. people say it is a tax _ understand why it is happening. people say it is a tax on - understand why it is happening. people say it is a tax on the i understand why it is happening. | people say it is a tax on the ball. i people say it is a tax on the ball. i am _ people say it is a tax on the ball. i am the — people say it is a tax on the ball. i am the poor— people say it is a tax on the ball. i am the poor and _ people say it is a tax on the ball. i am the poor and diana - people say it is a tax on the ball. i am the poor and diana being i people say it is a tax on the ball. i i am the poor and diana being taxed for it _ i am the poor and diana being taxed for it it _ i am the poor and diana being taxed for it it is _ i am the poor and diana being taxed for it it is a — i am the poor and diana being taxed for it. it is a tax _ i am the poor and diana being taxed for it. it is a tax on _ i am the poor and diana being taxed for it. it is a tax on people _ i am the poor and diana being taxed for it. it is a tax on people with i for it. it is a tax on people with polluting — for it. it is a tax on people with polluting cars~ _ for it. it is a tax on people with polluting cars. but _ for it. it is a tax on people with polluting cars. but those - polluting cars. but those people need _ polluting cars. but those people need more _ polluting cars. but those people need more help— polluting cars. but those people need more help with _ polluting cars. but those people need more help with the - polluting cars. but those people i need more help with the scrappage scheme _ need more help with the scrappage scheme that — need more help with the scrappage scheme. that is _ need more help with the scrappage scheme. that is all— need more help with the scrappage scheme. that is all i _ need more help with the scrappage scheme. that is all i have - need more help with the scrappage scheme. that is all i have got- need more help with the scrappage scheme. that is all i have got to i scheme. that is all i have got to say _ scheme. that is all i have got to sa . ., ., scheme. that is all i have got to sa , ., ., , ., scheme. that is all i have got to sa. ., ., , ., , say. you have said it brilliantly, actuall . say. you have said it brilliantly, actually. there _ say. you have said it brilliantly, actually. there are _ say. you have said it brilliantly, actually. there are two - say. you have said it brilliantly, actually. there are two types i say. you have said it brilliantly, actually. there are two types of pollution that people are concerned about, public health and politicians are concerned about, nitrogen oxide, you talked about that and particle of matter as well. there is some evidence that both those will be

reduced by the expansion of ulez, although there is a lot of debate about by how much and what impact it ultimately will have. mary, do you hear what vicky is saying? it is her own daughter's health? i understand, but i am own daughter's health? i understand, but i am sure — own daughter's health? i understand, but i am sure there _ own daughter's health? i understand, but i am sure there is _ own daughter's health? i understand, but i am sure there is a _ own daughter's health? i understand, but i am sure there is a better- own daughter's health? i understand, but i am sure there is a better way i but i am sure there is a better way they could — but i am sure there is a better way they could have done it because i know — they could have done it because i know... people living in this own, a discounted — know... people living in this own, a discounted rate, like they did before — discounted rate, like they did before. they could have done that. i would _ before. they could have done that. i would not _ before. they could have done that. i would not have minded. but to drive my car— would not have minded. but to drive my car out— would not have minded. but to drive my car out of— would not have minded. but to drive my car out of my driveway, i had to pay £12 _ my car out of my driveway, i had to pay £12 50 — my car out of my driveway, i had to pay £12 50 it — my car out of my driveway, i had to pay £12 50. it is people like us who cannot— pay £12 50. it is people like us who cannot afford it. | pay £12 50. it is people like us who cannot afford it.— cannot afford it. i hear both arguments _ cannot afford it. i hear both arguments. i— cannot afford it. i hear both arguments. i want - cannot afford it. i hear both arguments. i want to i cannot afford it. i hear both arguments. i want to bring | cannot afford it. i hear both . arguments. i want to bring in cannot afford it. i hear both - arguments. i want to bring in penny and john now. good morning. penny, what do you make of the conversation so far? it

what do you make of the conversation so far? , , , �* so far? it is very interesting. and also, i sympathise _ so far? it is very interesting. and also, i sympathise with _ so far? it is very interesting. and also, i sympathise with the i so far? it is very interesting. and . also, i sympathise with the people that have got children or their own effects of the air pollution, but it is not really stopping it, because they are basically saying, you pay 1250, if everybody paid that, it will still happen, the pollution will still happen, the pollution will still happen, the pollution will still be there. the will still happen, the pollution will still be there.— will still happen, the pollution will still be there. the fact that it is that much _ will still be there. the fact that it is that much money - will still be there. the fact that it is that much money will i it is that much money will discourage people from using their cars. , ., ., , ., , cars. they are hoping that but i would be very _ cars. they are hoping that but i would be very interested i cars. they are hoping that but i would be very interested to i cars. they are hoping that but i i would be very interested to see... i think previously sadiq khan was interviewed and he asked for a survey and it cost £800,000. i would be interested to know what he was asking, when was that carried out? was it during the pandemic when there was less traffic about? less

traffic. i there was less traffic about? less traffic. ., �* ~ ., . there was less traffic about? less traffic. ~ ., . , , traffic. i don't know which survey ou are traffic. i don't know which survey you are referring _ traffic. i don't know which survey you are referring to. _ traffic. i don't know which survey you are referring to. but - traffic. i don't know which survey you are referring to. but we i traffic. i don't know which survey you are referring to. but we willl traffic. i don't know which survey i you are referring to. but we will be speaking to scientist later to get into the nuts and bolts of it and the science behind this. but then --eole the science behind this. but then people are _ the science behind this. but then people are affected _ the science behind this. but then people are affected as _ the science behind this. but then people are affected as well. i - the science behind this. but then l people are affected as well. i know people are affected as well. i know people that do voluntary work at hospitals. now they are going to have to pay around £40 a week to go and do three days.— and do three days. public does have and do three days. public does have a ureat and do three days. public does have a great transmrt — and do three days. public does have a great transport system. _ and do three days. public does have a great transport system. but - and do three days. public does have a great transport system. but if- a great transport system. but if --eole a great transport system. but if peeple related _ a great transport system. but if people related on _ a great transport system. but if people related on time, - a great transport system. but if people related on time, or- a great transport system. but if| people related on time, or their a great transport system. em f people related on time, or their own abilities to get in and out of hospital... sorry, in and out of cars, on buses and things, for my own mother, she could not get on a bus. , ., ~ ., , .,

own mother, she could not get on a bus. , ., �* ., ,, ., bus. john in andover, you have already been — bus. john in andover, you have already been stung _ bus. john in andover, you have already been stung by - bus. john in andover, you have already been stung by ulez. . bus. john in andover, you have already been stung by ulez. i l bus. john in andover, you have i already been stung by ulez. i am bus. john in andover, you have - already been stung by ulez. i am not already been stung by ulez. i am not a london. already been stung by ulez. i am not a london- but— already been stung by ulez. i am not a london. but i _ already been stung by ulez. i am not a london. but i work— already been stung by ulez. i am not a london. but i work in _ already been stung by ulez. i am not a london. but i work in london. - already been stung by ulez. i am not a london. but i work in london. and| a london. but i work in london. and have _ a london. but i work in london. and have done _ a london. but i work in london. and have done for— a london. but i work in london. and have done for 23 years. public transport, _ have done for 23 years. public transport, i used to get around. but ijust— transport, i used to get around. but ijust see _ transport, i used to get around. but ijust see that despite what sadiq khan _ ijust see that despite what sadiq khan says, this is a tax scam. everyone _ khan says, this is a tax scam. everyone wants clean—air but the airing _ everyone wants clean—air but the airing london, there is loads of evidence — airing london, there is loads of evidence to say how much better the air in— evidence to say how much better the air in london— evidence to say how much better the air in london has got. 0ne evidence to say how much better the air in london has got. one of the worst_ air in london has got. one of the worst polluters is the tube. go down on the _ worst polluters is the tube. go down on the tube — worst polluters is the tube. go down on the tube and i have seen plenty of evidence — on the tube and i have seen plenty of evidence where people are measuring air quality and it is off the scale — measuring air quality and it is off the scale. but you come out onto the street— the scale. but you come out onto the street and _ the scale. but you come out onto the street and measure the air quality and it— street and measure the air quality and it is— street and measure the air quality and it is well below any limit set by anybody around the world. hasn't the air quality _ by anybody around the world. hasn't the air quality got — by anybody around the world. hasn't the air quality got better _ by anybody around the world. hasn't the air quality got better as - by anybody around the world. hasn't the air quality got better as a - the air quality got better as a result of schemes like ulez and the congestion zone?— result of schemes like ulez and the congestion zone? possibly. you could

arc ue congestion zone? possibly. you could arr ue that congestion zone? possibly. you could argue that the — congestion zone? possibly. you could argue that the congestion _ congestion zone? possibly. you could argue that the congestion zone... - congestion zone? possibly. you could argue that the congestion zone... i i argue that the congestion zone... i am a _ argue that the congestion zone... i am a keen— argue that the congestion zone... i am a keen cyclist as well. but when you look_ am a keen cyclist as well. but when you took at— am a keen cyclist as well. but when you look at all the traffic in london. _ you look at all the traffic in london. a _ you look at all the traffic in london, a lot of the roads have been taken _ london, a lot of the roads have been taken up _ london, a lot of the roads have been taken up try— london, a lot of the roads have been taken up by cycle lanes that are only used — taken up by cycle lanes that are only used at certain times of the day. _ only used at certain times of the day, which — only used at certain times of the day, which creates worse traffic flows _ day, which creates worse traffic flow i— day, which creates worse traffic flows. ijust... allthese day, which creates worse traffic flows. ijust... all these cars, noncompliant cars, i own one myself, and like _ noncompliant cars, i own one myself, and like i_ noncompliant cars, i own one myself, and like i say. — noncompliant cars, i own one myself, and like i say, most of the time i io and like i say, most of the time i go into— and like i say, most of the time i go into london using public transport, on a train that sits at waterloo — transport, on a train that sits at waterloo with its engines running. you have — waterloo with its engines running. you have major airports that are polluting — you have major airports that are polluting. but cars are the easy target — polluting. but cars are the easy tarret. ., , . ., , target. the domestic transport sector is a _ target. the domestic transport sector is a note _ target. the domestic transport sector is a note aureus - target. the domestic transport l sector is a note aureus polluter. target. the domestic transport i sector is a note aureus polluter. i have the figure, it creates 24% of the uk greenhouse gas emissions. that is domestic transport, away from public transport. that is a significant proportion of our total

greenhouse gas emission output. but with technology and obviously there is loads _ with technology and obviously there is loads of _ with technology and obviously there is loads of electric cars and everything around london, over time we will— everything around london, over time we will take — everything around london, over time we will take noncompliant cars off the road _ we will take noncompliant cars off the road anyway. what happens with all the _ the road anyway. what happens with all the ulez cameras? what happens without— all the ulez cameras? what happens without diminishing income? you say over time, vicky's _ without diminishing income? you say over time, vicky's daughter, - without diminishing income? you say over time, vicky's daughter, vicky, l over time, vicky's daughter, vicky, you can say this yourself, he does not have time.— not have time. you can replace a car, but not have time. you can replace a car. but you _ not have time. you can replace a car, but you cannot _ not have time. you can replace a car, but you cannot replace - not have time. you can replace a car, but you cannot replace a - car, but you cannot replace a child's lungs. and you have to think about the long—term effects on particulate matter, nitrogen oxide. you said some thing about aeroplanes, that should be the next thing to be addressed. surely that must make some kind of difference as well to the air quality. that is another step. well to the air quality. that is anotherstep. i well to the air quality. that is

another step. i don't think that is in sadiq khan are possibly a jurisdiction. airports and all those things are owned by private companies. you complained when borisjohnson rolled out. everyone complaining this was about cars but this was initially put out by borisjohnson and it was to fund tfl, carry on funding tfl. i understand how people feel, ijust feel... i don't know how sadiq khan could do it because i guess government didn't give the budget to city hall. but if he can help people more by giving more to the wreckage scheme, maybe people wouldn't care as much. i the wreckage scheme, maybe people wouldn't care as much.— wouldn't care as much. i totally understand _ wouldn't care as much. i totally understand your _ wouldn't care as much. i totally understand your predicament i wouldn't care as much. i totally l understand your predicament and wouldn't care as much. i totally . understand your predicament and i absolutely hate for any child to be ill due _ absolutely hate for any child to be ill due to— absolutely hate for any child to be ill due to air pollution but in the bigger— ill due to air pollution but in the bigger picture, like i say, when all

these _ bigger picture, like i say, when all these noncompliant cars on on the road any— these noncompliant cars on on the road any more, where is khan going to get— road any more, where is khan going to get his _ road any more, where is khan going to get his money? he will move the goalposts _ to get his money? he will move the goalposts are more and more people will have _ goalposts are more and more people will have to _ goalposts are more and more people will have to have, for using whatever— will have to have, for using whatever other because they've got ~~ _ whatever other because they've got ~~ l — whatever other because they've rot. .. , . whatever other because they've not... , . ., whatever other because they've not... , ., .,, whatever other because they've not... , . .,, ., got... i 'ust want to squeeze in one more got... ijust want to squeeze in one more call and _ got... ijust want to squeeze in one more call and l _ got. .. ijust want to squeeze in one more call and i think— got... ijust want to squeeze in one more call and i think it _ got... ijust want to squeeze in one more call and i think it will - got... ijust want to squeeze in one more call and i think it will be - more call and i think it will be someone you would be interested from hearing from as well. vanessa, part of sutton, now part of the ulez as it's been expanded to greater london for is that you are concerned about your business and its future, aren't you? your business and its future, aren't ou? , �* ., , , you? yes, i'm actually giving it up on the basis _ you? yes, i'm actually giving it up on the basis of _ you? yes, i'm actually giving it up on the basis of ulez _ you? yes, i'm actually giving it up on the basis of ulez because - you? yes, i'm actually giving it up on the basis of ulez because we i you? yes, i'm actually giving it up l on the basis of ulez because we had small— on the basis of ulez because we had small businesses— on the basis of ulez because we had small businesses across _ on the basis of ulez because we had small businesses across london, . on the basis of ulez because we had j small businesses across london, we struggled _ small businesses across london, we struggled through _ small businesses across london, we struggled through covid _ small businesses across london, we struggled through covid and - small businesses across london, we struggled through covid and with - small businesses across london, we| struggled through covid and with the cost of— struggled through covid and with the cost of living — struggled through covid and with the cost of living crisis. _ struggled through covid and with the cost of living crisis. my _ struggled through covid and with the cost of living crisis. my van - struggled through covid and with the cost of living crisis. my van was - cost of living crisis. my van was perfectly— cost of living crisis. my van was perfectly good, _ cost of living crisis. my van wasl perfectly good, well— maintained about _ perfectly good, well— maintained about the — perfectly good, well— maintained about the cost _ perfectly good, well— maintained about the cost of— perfectly good, well— maintained about the cost of delivering - perfectly good, well— maintained about the cost of delivering my. about the cost of delivering my flowers — about the cost of delivering my flowers for— about the cost of delivering my flowers for £12.50 _ about the cost of delivering my flowers for £12.50 per - about the cost of delivering my flowers for £12.50 per day -

about the cost of delivering my flowers for £12.50 per day is i about the cost of delivering my. flowers for £12.50 per day is just not feasible _ flowers for £12.50 per day is just not feasible. biggest _ flowers for £12.50 per day is just not feasible. biggest thing - flowers for £12.50 per day is just not feasible. biggest thing was i not feasible. biggest thing was that — not feasible. biggest thing was that... everyone _ not feasible. biggest thing was that... everyone goes- not feasible. biggest thing was that... everyone goes on- not feasible. biggest thing was| that... everyone goes on about not feasible. biggest thing was - that... everyone goes on about the nfoney_ that... everyone goes on about the money on — that... everyone goes on about the money on the — that... everyone goes on about the money on the scrappage _ that... everyone goes on about the money on the scrappage scheme, ij money on the scrappage scheme, i couldn't— money on the scrappage scheme, i couldn't buy — money on the scrappage scheme, i couldn't buy a _ money on the scrappage scheme, i couldn't buy a new— money on the scrappage scheme, i couldn't buy a new van, _ money on the scrappage scheme, i couldn't buy a new van, i— money on the scrappage scheme, i couldn't buy a new van, i would - money on the scrappage scheme, i. couldn't buy a new van, i would have to go— couldn't buy a new van, i would have to go into _ couldn't buy a new van, i would have to go into debt— couldn't buy a new van, i would have to go into debt to _ couldn't buy a new van, i would have to go into debt to purchase - couldn't buy a new van, i would have to go into debt to purchase a - couldn't buy a new van, i would have to go into debt to purchase a new. to go into debt to purchase a new van and _ to go into debt to purchase a new van and nfany, _ to go into debt to purchase a new van and many, many— to go into debt to purchase a new van and many, many small- to go into debt to purchase a new- van and many, many small businesses across— van and many, many small businesses across the _ van and many, many small businesses across the borough— van and many, many small businesses across the borough are _ van and many, many small businesses across the borough are in _ van and many, many small businesses across the borough are in that - across the borough are in that situation, _ across the borough are in that situation, where _ across the borough are in that situation, where you - across the borough are in that situation, where you cannot . across the borough are in that l situation, where you cannot buy across the borough are in that - situation, where you cannot buy a van for— situation, where you cannot buy a van for 2000 _ situation, where you cannot buy a van for 2000 and _ situation, where you cannot buy a van for 2000 and although - situation, where you cannot buy a van for 2000 and although it - situation, where you cannot buy a van for 2000 and although it was| van for 2000 and although it was raised _ van for 2000 and although it was raised to— van for 2000 and although it was raised to summer, _ van for 2000 and although it was raised to summer, you _ van for 2000 and although it was raised to summer, you still- van for 2000 and although it was raised to summer, you still can'tl raised to summer, you still can't buy a _ raised to summer, you still can't buy a van— raised to summer, you still can't buy a van for— raised to summer, you still can't buy a van for under— raised to summer, you still can't buy a van for under 19 _ raised to summer, you still can't buy a van for under 19 k. - raised to summer, you still can't buy a van for under 19 k. 50. buy a van for under 19 k. so therefore _ buy a van for under 19 k. so therefore everybody- buy a van for under 19 k. so therefore everybody going i buy a van for under 19 k. so. therefore everybody going into buy a van for under 19 k. so- therefore everybody going into debt to get _ therefore everybody going into debt to get another— therefore everybody going into debt to get another vehicle _ therefore everybody going into debt to get another vehicle to _ therefore everybody going into debt to get another vehicle to cover - to get another vehicle to cover trying~~ — to get another vehicle to cover trying~~ their— to get another vehicle to cover trying... their livelihood, - to get another vehicle to coverl trying... their livelihood, trying to work— trying... their livelihood, trying to work on _ trying... their livelihood, trying to work on their _ trying... their livelihood, trying to work on their livelihood. - trying... their livelihood, trying to work on their livelihood. justj trying... their livelihood, trying to work on their livelihood. just on that, the scrappage _ to work on their livelihood. just on that, the scrappage scheme - to work on their livelihood. just on that, the scrappage scheme has i to work on their livelihood. just on i that, the scrappage scheme has been expanded, so there is a pot of money worth 160 million now but that will not cover all the people whose cars

need to be replaced. i was looking at some stats this morning about the cost of second—hand compliant vehicles, which have gone up so much in the last couple of years because of information. so the median price of information. so the median price of a compliant vehicle, 2021, was £13,000. now it isjust of a compliant vehicle, 2021, was £13,000. now it is just over £18,000. it is way more than the value of the scrappage scheme itself and even the number of second—hand cars and vans available out there, something like 43,000 ulez compliant cars for sale in london. there are something like 170,000 noncompliant cars on the road in london, so those two things don't marry up, do they? no, and i've got a small florist shon — no, and i've got a small florist shon 0ne _ no, and i've got a small florist shop. one of— no, and i've got a small florist shop. one of nry— no, and i've got a small florist shop. one of my girls - no, and i've got a small florist shop. one of my girls took - no, and i've got a small florist shop. one of my girls took it l no, and i've got a small florist - shop. one of my girls took it over. she shop. 0ne of my girls took it over. she knew— shop. one of my girls took it over. she knew this— shop. one of my girls took it over. she knew this was _ shop. one of my girls took it over. she knew this was coming - shop. one of my girls took it over. she knew this was coming and - shop. one of my girls took it over. she knew this was coming and her| she knew this was coming and her situation _ she knew this was coming and her situation was _ she knew this was coming and her situation was very— she knew this was coming and her situation was very different. - she knew this was coming and her situation was very different. i- situation was very different. i didn't— situation was very different. i didn't want— situation was very different. i didn't want to _ situation was very different. i didn't want to go _ situation was very different. i didn't want to go into - situation was very different. i didn't want to go into debt, i situation was very different. i. didn't want to go into debt, her situation — didn't want to go into debt, her situation is _ didn't want to go into debt, her situation is different _ didn't want to go into debt, her situation is different and - didn't want to go into debt, her situation is different and we - situation is different and we thought— situation is different and we thought with _ situation is different and we thought with having - situation is different and we thought with having a - situation is different and we - thought with having a scrappage

scheme, — thought with having a scrappage scheme, she _ thought with having a scrappage scheme, she will— thought with having a scrappage scheme, she will be _ thought with having a scrappage scheme, she will be ok - thought with having a scrappage scheme, she will be ok for- thought with having a scrappage scheme, she will be ok for now| thought with having a scrappage i scheme, she will be ok for now it's turned _ scheme, she will be ok for now it's turned out — scheme, she will be ok for now it's turned out because _ scheme, she will be ok for now it's turned out because she _ scheme, she will be ok for now it's turned out because she has - scheme, she will be ok for now it's turned out because she has ownedl scheme, she will be ok for now it's i turned out because she has owned the business _ turned out because she has owned the business for _ turned out because she has owned the business for less— turned out because she has owned the business for less than _ turned out because she has owned the business for less than a _ turned out because she has owned the business for less than a year, - turned out because she has owned the business for less than a year, she - business for less than a year, she is not _ business for less than a year, she is not entitled _ business for less than a year, she is not entitled to _ business for less than a year, she is not entitled to the _ business for less than a year, she is not entitled to the scrappage i is not entitled to the scrappage scheme — is not entitled to the scrappage scheme either. _ is not entitled to the scrappage scheme either.— is not entitled to the scrappage scheme either._ i | is not entitled to the scrappage - scheme either._ ijust scheme either. that is tough. i 'ust really think— scheme either. that is tough. i 'ust really think their i scheme either. that is tough. i 'ust really think their cost i scheme either. that is tough. i 'ust really think their cost of i really think their cost of scrapping _ really think their cost of scrapping, the - really think their cost of scrapping, the mining. really think their cost of| scrapping, the mining of really think their cost of - scrapping, the mining of the batteries, _ scrapping, the mining of the batteries, the _ scrapping, the mining of the batteries, the damage - scrapping, the mining of the batteries, the damage to. scrapping, the mining of the| batteries, the damage to our scrapping, the mining of the - batteries, the damage to our roads, all of— batteries, the damage to our roads, all of the _ batteries, the damage to our roads, all of the package _ batteries, the damage to our roads, all of the package of— batteries, the damage to our roads, all of the package of where - batteries, the damage to our roads, all of the package of where we - batteries, the damage to our roads, all of the package of where we are i all of the package of where we are heading _ all of the package of where we are heading to— all of the package of where we are heading to with _ all of the package of where we are heading to with these _ all of the package of where we are heading to with these vehicles - all of the package of where we are heading to with these vehicles is i heading to with these vehicles is actually— heading to with these vehicles is actually going _ heading to with these vehicles is actually going to _ heading to with these vehicles is actually going to cost _ heading to with these vehicles is actually going to cost more - heading to with these vehicles is actually going to cost more in i heading to with these vehicles isl actually going to cost more in the lon- actually going to cost more in the long run— actually going to cost more in the long run and _ actually going to cost more in the long run and really— actually going to cost more in the long run and really i— actually going to cost more in the long run and really i think- actually going to cost more in the long run and really i think what i long run and really i think what should — long run and really i think what should have _ long run and really i think what should have happened - long run and really i think what should have happened was, - long run and really i think what i should have happened was, yes, diesel— should have happened was, yes, diesel needs _ should have happened was, yes, diesel needs to _ should have happened was, yes, diesel needs to be _ should have happened was, yes, diesel needs to be phased - should have happened was, yes, diesel needs to be phased out. i| diesel needs to be phased out. i think— diesel needs to be phased out. i think everybody— diesel needs to be phased out. i think everybody would _ diesel needs to be phased out. i think everybody would have... l diesel needs to be phased out. ii think everybody would have... my diesel needs to be phased out. i- think everybody would have... my van for ekample. — think everybody would have... my van for ekample. i'd— think everybody would have... my van for example, i'd paid _ think everybody would have... my van for example, i'd paid a _ think everybody would have... my van for example, i'd paid a higher- think everybody would have... my van for example, i'd paid a highertax- for example, i'd paid a highertax on my— for example, i'd paid a highertax on myvan— for example, i'd paid a highertax on my vanand— for example, i'd paid a highertax on my vanand i_ for example, i'd paid a highertax on my van and i thought, - for example, i'd paid a highertax on my van and i thought, i- for example, i'd paid a highertax on my van and i thought, i need. for example, i'd paid a highertax. on my van and i thought, i need to -et on my van and i thought, i need to get rid _ on my van and i thought, i need to get rid of— on my van and i thought, i need to get rid of this, _ on my van and i thought, i need to get rid of this, i_ on my van and i thought, i need to get rid of this, i get— on my van and i thought, i need to get rid of this, i get to _ on my van and i thought, i need to get rid of this, i get to need - on my van and i thought, i need to get rid of this, i get to need —— - get rid of this, i get to need —— need _ get rid of this, i get to need —— need to— get rid of this, i get to need —— need to get— get rid of this, i get to need —— need to get something - get rid of this, i get to need —— need to get something new- get rid of this, i get to need —— i need to get something new given time _ need to get something new given time there — need to get something new given time there is— need to get something new given time. there is not _ need to get something new given time. there is not the _ need to get something new given time. there is not the time - need to get something new given time. there is not the time and l time. there is not the time and there _ time. there is not the time and there are — time. there is not the time and there are businesses _ time. there is not the time and there are businesses across - time. there is not the time andj there are businesses across the borough, — there are businesses across the borough, like _ there are businesses across the borough, like window _ there are businesses across the borough, like window glaziers, i borough, like window glaziers, carpenters. _ borough, like window glaziers, carpenters, all— borough, like window glaziers, carpenters, all sorts _ borough, like window glaziers, carpenters, all sorts of - borough, like window glaziers, carpenters, all sorts of small. carpenters, all sorts of small businesses _ carpenters, all sorts of small businesses that— carpenters, all sorts of small businesses that are - carpenters, all sorts of small businesses that are in - carpenters, all sorts of small- businesses that are in absolute... vanessa, — businesses that are in absolute... vanessa, you've _ businesses that are in absolute... vanessa, you've made _ businesses that are in absolute... vanessa, you've made some - businesses that are in absolute... - vanessa, you've made some excellent points. we have to move it on

because we have so many calls to fit in. but thank you to all of you. thank you to mary, vicki, penny, john and vanessa. you can see the way the debate is going now, its people's livelihoods, their businesses, their ability to get out. graham from bradford at the start telling us how his own health condition, copd, had significantly improved after bradford introduced their own clean air zone. i would love to hear from you in different parts of the country. we are talking about london this morning and ulez but we know lots of other parts of the country have different schemes. i'd love to know how it's working for you. you can call us. masses of texts coming through as well which i will come to an a couple of minutes' time after we have had the news, it is 9.36.

and nick hatfield is here with the latest. thank you, travel disruption could last for days after a technical fault with the uk's air traffic control system. flights were cancelled yesterday, leaving thousands of passengers stranded. the mayor of london sadiq khan says expanding london' ultra low emission zone to the whole capital is vital. ulez sees drivers of the most polluting vehicles pay a £12.50 daily charge. the spanish football federation' regional leaders have decided its president resigned immediately. he is under pressure to go after kissing jenni hermoso on the lips and the government is expected to change rules on water pollution. councils in protected areas of england can't allow new developments if it might have a negative impact on local rivers. we can get the sport now. thank you and good morning. novak djokovic has guaranteed a return to the world number one spot after

winning his first round match of the us open. british qualifier lily won herfirst grand slam match us open. british qualifier lily won her first grand slam match after beating her russian opponent. belgian cyclist renko wave nipple suffered a bleeding cut above his right eye from crashing into a van after winning stage three of after rain affected stage one and two of the race. the us solheim cup captain stacy lewis said gulf officials have missed a unique opportunity to promote women's golf. next month will see the women solheim cup and the men's ryder cup contest being played in back—to—back weeks for the first time. the chelsea striker romelu lukaku is set to join serie a side on a season—long loan deal, including an £8 million loan fee and roma will be covering the belgian international�*s wages.

hello, good morning. it is tuesday morning. rachel burden in for nikki campbell. we are talking of ulez, it means many people paying £12.50 if they are going to drive their older more polluting cars in and around the city of london. there are lots of these schemes all around the country in different parts of england and in scotland as well, so we would like to know how it is working for you. the question this morning we are asking is: will ulez improve your life? we have all ready heard some of the arguments around small businesses suffering,

individual suffering. small businesses suffering, individualsuffering. i small businesses suffering, individual suffering. i would like to read some texts which address a more personal stories. robin says, i visited london last week, all the londoners complaining about transport for london need to grow up. london has the best, most cheapest most reliable network in the country. compared to us in rural communities, londoners earn more money than us as well. how about this one? my lovely in—laws live in richmond. they are affected by ulez. currently my mother—in—law is in hospital and it is casting my father—in—law a fortune to visit her because of ulez and hospital parking charges. they are in their 80s, taxpayers all their lives, they cannot move. sadiq khan was clearly not considering people like them. masses of texts coming through. sorry that we don't get to read them all but we are keeping an eye on things you are telling us this morning. we can talk tojoseph in chessington and we have martin as well. ,., ., chessington and we have martin as well. , ., ., .,

chessington and we have martin as well. ,., ., ., ,., ., chessington and we have martin as well. ., ., well. good morning. good morning. painter decorator, _ well. good morning. good morning. painter decorator, how _ well. good morning. good morning. painter decorator, how is _ well. good morning. good morning. painter decorator, how is business i painter decorator, how is business at the moment?— painter decorator, how is business i at the moment?_ going at the moment? correct, yes. going 0k? well, at the moment? correct, yes. going 0k? well. it's _ at the moment? correct, yes. going 0k? well, it's ok. _ at the moment? correct, yes. going 0k? well, it's ok. business - at the moment? correct, yes. going 0k? well, it's ok. business is - at the moment? correct, yes. going 0k? well, it's ok. business is fine. | 0k? well, it's ok. business is fine. it's hard work. _ ok? well, it's ok. business is fine. it's hard work. still— 0k? well, it's ok. business is fine. it's hard work. still having - 0k? well, it's ok. business is fine. it's hard work. still having to - 0k? well, it's ok. business is fine. it's hard work. still having to put i it's hard work. still having to put long hours in but can't complain. so how are are affected by the expansion of ulez? i how are are affected by the expansion of ulez?- how are are affected by the expansion of ulez? i 'ust think it's disgraceful. h expansion of ulez? i 'ust think it's disgraceful. my _ expansion of ulez? i 'ust think it's disgraceful. my van _ expansion of ulez? ijust think it's disgraceful. my van is _ expansion of ulez? ijust think it's disgraceful. my van is a _ expansion of ulez? ijust think it's disgraceful. my van is a 2015 - expansion of ulez? ijust think it's disgraceful. my van is a 2015 van. | disgraceful. my van is a 2015 van. not a big, heavy polluting fan. i just think the timing of it is all bad, coming on the back of covid as well, which a lot of our customers were really affected by and we are just getting back on her feet. were really affected by and we are just getting back on herfeet. first of all, i'm not against clean air. you'd have to be mad... to say you are against it, but it's the way this has been rushed in. my van is on finance forfour years. this has been rushed in. my van is on finance for four years. i can't sell the van at the moment. it is worth nothing in london. i have

applied for the scrappage scheme, been refused twice. so i'm basically being told i'm 0k to carry on polluting london.— being told i'm 0k to carry on polluting london. being told i'm 0k to carry on -aollutin london. �* , , polluting london. and refused why, do ou polluting london. and refused why, do you know _ polluting london. and refused why, do you know why. _ polluting london. and refused why, do you know why, do _ polluting london. and refused why, do you know why, do you _ polluting london. and refused why, do you know why, do you live - polluting london. and refused why, i do you know why, do you live outside the zone, what is the issue? it is the zone, what is the issue? it is ridiculous- _ the zone, what is the issue? it is ridiculous. first _ the zone, what is the issue? it is ridiculous. first of _ the zone, what is the issue? it is ridiculous. first of all, _ the zone, what is the issue? it 3 ridiculous. first of all, the first refusal, they said my passport is not adequate id, it's out of date, which it isn't out of date. secondly, because of my insurance on my van. i've got my insurance... i've only got one car, i can't afford two, so i use my van for social domestic. my insurances for social, domestic and pleasure purposes, including commuting and in line with the holder�* profession. i was refused because i don�*t have business insurance. was refused because i don't have business insurance.— was refused because i don't have business insurance.- i - was refused because i don't have business insurance.- i am i

was refused because i don�*t have business insurance. right. lam not business insurance. right. iam not a minicab- — business insurance. right. iam not a minicab. when _ business insurance. right. iam not a minicab. when i— business insurance. right. iam not a minicab. when i go _ business insurance. right. iam not a minicab. when i go to _ business insurance. right. iam not a minicab. when i go to work, - business insurance. right. iam not a minicab. when i go to work, i - business insurance. right. iam not a minicab. when i go to work, i have my ladders and whatever materials i have for work. in principle, it�*s the same, if you went to work this morning and you have a laptop on your drive... i morning and you have a laptop on your drive- - -_ your drive... i get it, i get the argument. — your drive... i get it, i get the argument. i — your drive... i get it, i get the argument, i do. _ your drive... i get it, i get the argument, i do. where - your drive... i get it, i get the argument, i do. where does i your drive... i get it, i get the i argument, i do. where does this leave you financially? financially, it's auoin leave you financially? financially, it's going to _ leave you financially? financially, it's going to be — leave you financially? financially, it's going to be very _ leave you financially? financially, it's going to be very hard. - leave you financially? financially, it's going to be very hard. people| it�*s going to be very hard. people say, oh, at £12.50 on top of the client. that�*s easy to say but when i�*m quoting for a job, i could be one of four orfive i�*m quoting for a job, i could be one of four or five people quoting for thatjob. we have to be competitive. if i�*ve got to put i�*ve got a job for two weeks and put two weeks worth of £12.50, and maybe i might have to get a carpenter run thatjob and his his van isn�*t ulez compliant and i have to pay his

£12.50... it is inflation as well. the government saying they are trying to get inflation down... this is the issue. _ trying to get inflation down... this is the issue, it's _ trying to get inflation down... this is the issue, it's probably the is the issue, it�*s probably the worst possible time for people to be facing extra charges in their daily lives. i facing extra charges in their daily lives. , ., , ., lives. i give you 'ust a little example here. _ lives. i give you 'ust a little example here. i- lives. i give you just a little example here. i have - lives. i give you just a little example here. i have a - lives. i give you just a little example here. i have ajob| lives. i give you just a little - example here. i have a job next lives. i give you just a little _ example here. i have a job next week and it�*s about hundred and ten, 100 and it�*s about hundred and ten, 100 and 20 yards away from my home. i�*m going to be getting up at 7.30 in the morning and will drive the van to my client�*s house, park it on their drive, unload my tools, seven days. then when i finish at 4.30, i will be back in my van and have to come back home again. i will have to pay £12.50 for that every day. that is just bonkers. pay £12.50 for that every day. that isjust bonkers. ifeel pay £12.50 for that every day. that is just bonkers. i feel like we are being criminalised just for going to work. being criminalised 'ust for going to work. ., ., ., , ., work. you need a horse and cart! laughter _ laughter i�*m trying to think of alternatives for you here. i'm trying to think of alternatives for you here-—

i'm trying to think of alternatives for you here. someone said public transort for you here. someone said public transport the _ for you here. someone said public transport the other _ for you here. someone said public transport the other day. _ for you here. someone said public transport the other day. with - for you here. someone said public transport the other day. with your ladder and pots. _ transport the other day. with your ladder and pots. trying _ transport the other day. with your ladder and pots. trying to - transport the other day. with your ladder and pots. trying to get - transport the other day. with your ladder and pots. trying to get on i ladder and pots. trying to get on with a 12 foot _ ladder and pots. trying to get on with a 12 foot ladder. _ ladder and pots. trying to get on with a 12 foot ladder. i _ ladder and pots. trying to get on with a 12 foot ladder. i have - ladder and pots. trying to get on with a 12 foot ladder. i have no i with a 12 foot ladder. i have no choice. i can�*t afford to move home. if i could go and get an electric van tomorrow, first of all i can�*t get an electric van because of where i live. i haven�*t got my own... you i live. i haven't got my own... you can't charge _ i live. i haven't got my own... you can't charge them. _ i live. i haven't got my own... you can't charge them. and _ i live. i haven't got my own... you can't charge them. and to - i live. i haven't got my own... you can't charge them. and to sit - i live. i haven't got my own... you | can't charge them. and to sit there with work really _ can't charge them. and to sit there with work really hard, _ can't charge them. and to sit there with work really hard, 7.30, - can't charge them. and to sit there i with work really hard, 7.30, working until 4.30 orfive with work really hard, 7.30, working until 4.30 or five at night, with work really hard, 7.30, working until 4.30 orfive at night, i don�*t to have to come in at night and sit in the petrol garage charging my van, i will be exhausted. the char: inc van, i will be exhausted. the charging network _ van, i will be exhausted. the charging network is - van, i will be exhausted. the charging network is improving, there are kind of ways around it but i absolutely get what you are saying. it is not a practical option for everyone at the moment. let me bring in martin. i think you support ulez, the expansion of ulez but this might be quite quite elite mega hard argument to hearfrom be quite quite elite mega hard argument to hear from you because you are currently living in the netherlands but tell you what your perspective is on this. yes. netherlands but tell you what your

perspective is on this.— perspective is on this. yes, good mornin: , perspective is on this. yes, good morning, rachel. _ perspective is on this. yes, good morning, rachel. i— perspective is on this. yes, good morning, rachel. iwould- perspective is on this. yes, good morning, rachel. iwouldjust. perspective is on this. yes, good | morning, rachel. i would just like to say— morning, rachel. i would just like to say i_ morning, rachel. i would just like to say i sympathise with josef's situation — to say i sympathise with josef's situation completely. from what he has said. _ situation completely. from what he has said, he is caught between a rock— has said, he is caught between a rock and — has said, he is caught between a rock and a — has said, he is caught between a rock and a hard place. of course, there _ rock and a hard place. of course, there will— rock and a hard place. of course, there will be a lot of people like him _ there will be a lot of people like him but— there will be a lot of people like him but i— there will be a lot of people like him. but i do support the widening of the _ him. but i do support the widening of the area — him. but i do support the widening of the area for low emission vehicles, _ of the area for low emission vehicles, simply because directly it will improve air quality for a lot of people _ will improve air quality for a lot of people. we all know that, that is a given _ of people. we all know that, that is a given but — of people. we all know that, that is a given. but i think there is a bigger— a given. but i think there is a bigger picture, really, that we all understand that we have built an economy— understand that we have built an economy on fossil fuels, which is really— economy on fossil fuels, which is really very— economy on fossil fuels, which is really very polluting paradigms and now realises driving climate change. so we _ now realises driving climate change. so we now _ now realises driving climate change. so we now need to have these kind of initiatives _ so we now need to have these kind of initiatives to _ so we now need to have these kind of initiatives to help drive the energy transition — initiatives to help drive the energy transition away from fossil fuel and towards _ transition away from fossil fuel and towards cleaner vehicles. what i would _ towards cleaner vehicles. what i would say — towards cleaner vehicles. what i would say is the problem isjoseph and probably many hundreds,

thousands of people are facing in the coming months and years with this introduction is a lack of long—term strategic planning, really. — long—term strategic planning, really, by the government, to underpin— really, by the government, to underpin this energy transition that we will— underpin this energy transition that we will all— underpin this energy transition that we will all have to go through. this scheme _ we will all have to go through. this scheme, the ulez scheme is really symptomatic of what is going to come further— symptomatic of what is going to come further down the line, when we try to really— further down the line, when we try to really step away from fossil fuels — to really step away from fossil fuels in — to really step away from fossil fuels in earnest in the coming years and decades. really what we need is and decades. really what we need is a much _ and decades. really what we need is a much more long—term, well thought through— a much more long—term, well thought through plan, which tries to avoid these _ through plan, which tries to avoid theseissues through plan, which tries to avoid these issues thatjoseph through plan, which tries to avoid these issues that joseph and people are going _ these issues that joseph and people are going to face.— are going to face. joseph 'ust once are going to face. joseph 'ust once a little more i are going to face. joseph 'ust once a little more time, _ are going to face. joseph just once a little more time, another - are going to face. joseph just once a little more time, another year i are going to face. joseph just once a little more time, another year or sojust to be a little more time, another year or so just to be able to plan how he mitigates these kinds of charges or finds a workaround. i mitigates these kinds of charges or finds a workaround.— finds a workaround. i think that, from hearing _ finds a workaround. i think that, from hearing what _ finds a workaround. i think that, from hearing what joseph - finds a workaround. i think that, from hearing what joseph said, i finds a workaround. i think that, i from hearing what joseph said, that from hearing whatjoseph said, that probably— from hearing whatjoseph said, that probably would have been helpful. 0r mitigation _ probably would have been helpful. 0r mitigation in terms of helping

people — mitigation in terms of helping people like joseph make that transition to a low emissions vehicle _ transition to a low emissions vehicle. all sorts of issues with the bureaucracy which shouldn't really _ the bureaucracy which shouldn't really be — the bureaucracy which shouldn't really be happening to people like joseph. _ really be happening to people like joseph, who by the sounds of it is 'ust joseph, who by the sounds of it is just trying — joseph, who by the sounds of it is just trying to make an honest living and is _ just trying to make an honest living and is being forced into a situation which _ and is being forced into a situation which almost seems untenable from what i _ which almost seems untenable from what i can— which almost seems untenable from what i can hear. but i do agree with the the _ what i can hear. but i do agree with the the widening of the scheme. i think— the the widening of the scheme. i think the — the the widening of the scheme. i think the implementation could be improved — think the implementation could be improved but i think it is symptomatic of the problems we are going _ symptomatic of the problems we are going to _ symptomatic of the problems we are going to face further down the line. the bigger— going to face further down the line. the bigger picture, yes, yes, keep that in mind. i the bigger picture, yes, yes, keep that in mind-— the bigger picture, yes, yes, keep that in mind. i hope that if someone is listenin: that in mind. i hope that if someone is listening to _ that in mind. i hope that if someone is listening to this _ that in mind. i hope that if someone is listening to this that _ that in mind. i hope that if someone is listening to this that we _ that in mind. i hope that if someone is listening to this that we do - that in mind. i hope that if someone is listening to this that we do have i is listening to this that we do have some _ is listening to this that we do have some more — is listening to this that we do have some more long—term strategic thinking — some more long—term strategic thinking around how we are going to transition _ thinking around how we are going to transition away from fossil fuels, because — transition away from fossil fuels, because if— transition away from fossil fuels, because if we don't, the problems people _ because if we don't, the problems people are — because if we don't, the problems people are facing with this scheme will pale _ people are facing with this scheme will pale into insignificance. those are the financial _ will pale into insignificance. those are the financial problems - will pale into insignificance. those are the financial problems but - will pale into insignificance. turn are the financial problems but there are the financial problems but there are the financial problems but there are the immediate problems of the quality of air pollution and this is less about net zero on climate change are more about the immediate

issues of public health. nick in yarmouth is with us now. hello, how are you? yarmouth is with us now. hello, how are ou? ., , , ., are you? hello, yes, i can hear you well, are you? hello, yes, i can hear you well. thank — are you? hello, yes, i can hear you well, thank you. _ are you? hello, yes, i can hear you well, thank you. tell— are you? hello, yes, i can hear you well, thank you. tell us _ are you? hello, yes, i can hear you well, thank you. tell us about - are you? hello, yes, i can hear you well, thank you. tell us about your| well, thank you. tell us about your experience — well, thank you. tell us about your experience living _ well, thank you. tell us about your experience living in _ well, thank you. tell us about your experience living in london. - well, thank you. tell us about your experience living in london. ok, i well, thank you. tell us about your experience living in london. 0k, i| experience living in london. ok, i am ex military. — experience living in london. ok, i am ex military, severely - experience living in london. ok, i am ex military, severely disabled | experience living in london. ok, i am ex military, severely disabled as am ex military, severely disabled as a result— am ex military, severely disabled as a result of— am ex military, severely disabled as a result of a — am ex military, severely disabled as a result of a chemical— am ex military, severely disabled as a result of a chemical problem - am ex military, severely disabled as a result of a chemical problem withi a result of a chemical problem with my chest — a result of a chemical problem with my chest i— a result of a chemical problem with my chest l was _ a result of a chemical problem with my chest. i was working _ a result of a chemical problem with my chest. i was working around - my chest. i was working around king's_ my chest. i was working around king's cross _ my chest. i was working around king's cross as _ my chest. i was working around king's cross as a _ my chest. i was working around king's cross as a contractor - my chest. i was working around i king's cross as a contractor doing my chest. i was working around - king's cross as a contractor doing a major— king's cross as a contractor doing a major merger— king's cross as a contractor doing a major merger and _ king's cross as a contractor doing a major merger and over— king's cross as a contractor doing a major merger and over about- king's cross as a contractor doing a major merger and over about 3—6 i major merger and over about 3—6 months. — major merger and over about 3—6 months. i— major merger and over about 3—6 months, i started _ major merger and over about 3—6 months, i started getting - major merger and over about 3—6 months, i started getting real- major merger and over about 3—6| months, i started getting real bad breathing — months, i started getting real bad breathing problems. _ months, i started getting real bad breathing problems. i— months, i started getting real bad breathing problems. i went- months, i started getting real bad breathing problems. i went to - months, i started getting real bad breathing problems. i went to see the medics — breathing problems. i went to see the medics and _ breathing problems. i went to see the medics and they— breathing problems. i went to see the medics and they said - breathing problems. i went to see the medics and they said that - breathing problems. i went to see the medics and they said that if. breathing problems. i went to see the medics and they said that if ii the medics and they said that if i stay in _ the medics and they said that if i stay in london. _ the medics and they said that if i stay in london, with— the medics and they said that if i stay in london, with the - the medics and they said that if i stay in london, with the air- stay in london, with the air quality. _ stay in london, with the air quality. i'm _ stay in london, with the air quality, i'm going - stay in london, with the air quality, i'm going to- stay in london, with the air quality, i'm going to have i stay in london, with the air- quality, i'm going to have some real serious _ quality, i'm going to have some real serious problems— quality, i'm going to have some real serious problems going _ quality, i'm going to have some real serious problems going forward. - quality, i'm going to have some real serious problems going forward. sol quality, i'm going to have some real| serious problems going forward. sol had to— serious problems going forward. sol had to leave — serious problems going forward. sol had to leave a — serious problems going forward. sol had to leave a really _ serious problems going forward. sol had to leave a really well— paid - serious problems going forward. sol had to leave a really well—paid job i had to leave a really well—paid job to move _ had to leave a really well—paid job to move out — had to leave a really well—paid job to move out into— had to leave a really well—paid job to move out into the _ had to leave a really well—paid job to move out into the countryside, | had to leave a really well—paid job i to move out into the countryside, up in north— to move out into the countryside, up in north yorkshire. _ to move out into the countryside, up in north yorkshire. now _ to move out into the countryside, up in north yorkshire. now i _ to move out into the countryside, up in north yorkshire. now i agree - to move out into the countryside, up in north yorkshire. now i agree withj in north yorkshire. now i agree with the principle — in north yorkshire. now i agree with the principle of— in north yorkshire. now i agree with the principle of ulez— in north yorkshire. now i agree with the principle of ulez and _ in north yorkshire. now i agree with the principle of ulez and the - in north yorkshire. now i agree with the principle of ulez and the air- the principle of ulez and the air quality— the principle of ulez and the air quality and _ the principle of ulez and the air quality and cleaning _ the principle of ulez and the air

quality and cleaning up. - the principle of ulez and the air quality and cleaning up. for- the principle of ulez and the airi quality and cleaning up. for me, it's actually— quality and cleaning up. for me, it's actually life _ quality and cleaning up. for me, it's actually life or— quality and cleaning up. for me, it's actually life or death. - it's actually life or death. however. _ it's actually life or death. however, it's _ it's actually life or death. however, it's been - it's actually life or death. i however, it's been rushed it's actually life or death. - however, it's been rushed in it's actually life or death. _ however, it's been rushed in much, much _ however, it's been rushed in much, much too _ however, it's been rushed in much, much too quickly _ however, it's been rushed in much, much too quickly. there _ however, it's been rushed in much, much too quickly. there is - however, it's been rushed in much, much too quickly. there is no - much too quickly. there is no mitigation _ much too quickly. there is no mitigation. hearing _ much too quickly. there is no mitigation. hearing what - much too quickly. there is no. mitigation. hearing what these much too quickly. there is no - mitigation. hearing what these other -uys mitigation. hearing what these other guys have _ mitigation. hearing what these other guys have been— mitigation. hearing what these other guys have been saying _ mitigation. hearing what these other guys have been saying my— mitigation. hearing what these other guys have been saying my brother. mitigation. hearing what these other guys have been saying my brother is| guys have been saying my brother is a building _ guys have been saying my brother is a building in— guys have been saying my brother is a building in london— guys have been saying my brother is a building in london and _ guys have been saying my brother is a building in london and my- a building in london and my goodness, _ a building in london and my goodness, how— a building in london and my goodness, how is _ a building in london and my goodness, how is he - a building in london and my goodness, how is he going. a building in london and my. goodness, how is he going to a building in london and my- goodness, how is he going to cope with this? — goodness, how is he going to cope with this? i— goodness, how is he going to cope with this? i really _ goodness, how is he going to cope with this? i really think— goodness, how is he going to cope with this? i really think that - goodness, how is he going to cope with this? i really think that we - with this? i really think that we should — with this? i really think that we should keep _ with this? i really think that we should keep the _ with this? i really think that we should keep the status - with this? i really think that we should keep the status quo - with this? i really think that we should keep the status quo for| with this? i really think that we i should keep the status quo for a little _ should keep the status quo for a little longer _ should keep the status quo for a little longer and _ should keep the status quo for a little longer and do _ should keep the status quo for a little longer and do some - should keep the status quo for a little longer and do some more. little longer and do some more planning — little longer and do some more ”lannin. �* . , , little longer and do some more ”lannin. �* ., , ., planning. but in a sense you are luc . i planning. but in a sense you are lucky- i don't— planning. but in a sense you are lucky. i don't know _ planning. but in a sense you are lucky. i don't know how- planning. but in a sense you are lucky. i don't know how difficult| planning. but in a sense you are i lucky. i don't know how difficult it lucky. i don�*t know how difficult it was for you to manage that move but the fact that you could get out and could get out quickly, some people and particularly children were not have that option, will they? when their lungs are just developing, maybe they don�*t have a year, 18 months for this to be sorted out. maybe they really do need action now. . ., , , now. yeah... i do support the need for air quality- _ now. yeah. .. i do support the need for air quality- i— now. yeah... i do support the need for air quality. i ended _ now. yeah... i do support the need for air quality. i ended up _ now. yeah... i do support the need for air quality. i ended up in - now. yeah... i do support the need for air quality. i ended up in one i for air quality. i ended up in one of the _ for air quality. i ended up in one of the hospitals _ for air quality. i ended up in one of the hospitals in _ for air quality. i ended up in one of the hospitals in london - for air quality. i ended up in one of the hospitals in london with i of the hospitals in london with pneumonia _ of the hospitals in london with pneumonia for— of the hospitals in london with pneumonia for about - of the hospitals in london with pneumonia for about 12- of the hospitals in london with

pneumonia for about 12 days i of the hospitals in london with - pneumonia for about 12 days because of the _ pneumonia for about 12 days because of the link— pneumonia for about 12 days because of the link to— pneumonia for about 12 days because of the link to the _ pneumonia for about 12 days because of the link to the air _ pneumonia for about 12 days because of the link to the air quality - of the link to the air quality issue _ of the link to the air quality issue we _ of the link to the air quality issue. we do _ of the link to the air quality issue. we do need - of the link to the air quality issue. we do need the - of the link to the air quality issue. we do need the air. of the link to the air quality - issue. we do need the air quality but on _ issue. we do need the air quality but on the — issue. we do need the air quality but on the back— issue. we do need the air quality but on the back of— issue. we do need the air quality but on the back of covid, - issue. we do need the air quality but on the back of covid, my - but on the back of covid, my goodness, _ but on the back of covid, my goodness, we _ but on the back of covid, my goodness, we need - but on the back of covid, my goodness, we need to- but on the back of covid, my i goodness, we need to support but on the back of covid, my - goodness, we need to support some people _ goodness, we need to support some people to _ goodness, we need to support some people to move _ goodness, we need to support some people to move forward. _ goodness, we need to support some people to move forward. it’s - goodness, we need to support some people to move forward.— people to move forward. it's tough. did ou people to move forward. it's tough. did you immediately _ people to move forward. it's tough. did you immediately feel— people to move forward. it's tough. did you immediately feel the - people to move forward. it's tough. | did you immediately feel the benefit of being in north yorkshire? filth. did you immediately feel the benefit of being in north yorkshire?- of being in north yorkshire? oh, my roodness, of being in north yorkshire? oh, my goodness. yes. _ of being in north yorkshire? oh, my goodness, yes, yes. _ of being in north yorkshire? oh, my goodness, yes, yes. within - of being in north yorkshire? oh, my goodness, yes, yes. within weeks. ij goodness, yes, yes. within weeks. i mean, _ goodness, yes, yes. within weeks. i mean. i_ goodness, yes, yes. within weeks. i mean. i had — goodness, yes, yes. within weeks. i mean. i had to— goodness, yes, yes. within weeks. i mean, i had to have _ goodness, yes, yes. within weeks. i mean, i had to have medication - goodness, yes, yes. within weeks. i mean, i had to have medication fori goodness, yes, yes. within weeks. i| mean, i had to have medication for a couple _ mean, i had to have medication for a couple of— mean, i had to have medication for a couple of weeks _ mean, i had to have medication for a couple of weeks but, _ mean, i had to have medication for a couple of weeks but, yes, _ mean, i had to have medication for a couple of weeks but, yes, really, - couple of weeks but, yes, really, really _ couple of weeks but, yes, really, really clear~ _ couple of weeks but, yes, really, really clear-— couple of weeks but, yes, really, reall clear. �* ., ., ~ , really clear. and you found work up there all right? _ really clear. and you found work up there all right? no _ really clear. and you found work up there all right? no problem, - really clear. and you found work up there all right? no problem, yes. i really clear. and you found work up| there all right? no problem, yes. in fact, i there all right? no problem, yes. in fact. i was— there all right? no problem, yes. in fact. i was very _ there all right? no problem, yes. in fact, i was very fortunate, _ there all right? no problem, yes. in fact, i was very fortunate, in - there all right? no problem, yes. in fact, i was very fortunate, in that i fact, i was very fortunate, in that the government— fact, i was very fortunate, in that the government is— fact, i was very fortunate, in that the government is a _ fact, i was very fortunate, in that the government is a removing. fact, i was very fortunate, in that the government is a removing a. fact, i was very fortunate, in that i the government is a removing a lot of civil— the government is a removing a lot of civil service _ the government is a removing a lot of civil service jobs _ the government is a removing a lot of civil service jobs out _ the government is a removing a lot of civil service jobs out of _ the government is a removing a lot of civil service jobs out of london, i of civil service jobs out of london, i of civil service jobs out of london, i got _ of civil service jobs out of london, i got one — of civil service jobs out of london, i got one of— of civil service jobs out of london, i got one of those. _ of civil service jobs out of london, i got one of those. i— of civil service jobs out of london, i got one of those. i am _ of civil service jobs out of london, i got one of those. i am not - of civil service jobs out of london, i got one of those. i am not a - of civil service jobs out of london, i i got one of those. i am not a young chap. _ i got one of those. i am not a young chap. either. — i got one of those. i am not a young chap. either-— chap, either. you sound fighting fit to me at the _ chap, either. you sound fighting fit to me at the moment _ chap, either. you sound fighting fit to me at the moment which - chap, either. you sound fighting fit to me at the moment which is - chap, either. you sound fighting fit to me at the moment which is the l to me at the moment which is the important thing. joseph, for you presumably moving is not an option and i would assume the mayor of london doesn�*t want loads of small businesses to escape from the city

anyway question might no. i businesses to escape from the city anyway question might no.- anyway question might no. i can't. the crazy thing. — anyway question might no. i can't. the crazy thing, when _ anyway question might no. i can't. the crazy thing, when they - anyway question might no. i can't. the crazy thing, when they made i anyway question might no. i can't. i the crazy thing, when they made the scrappage scheme, it is difficult for people like me. i�*m actually trying to scrap my van, it�*s a perfectly good fan, i�*m trying to scrap it. there is no hotline available. so i can hear the arguments of everyone saying about clean air. no one, basically i�*m in a situation at the moment where i was on yesterday. my van is polluting london, tomorrow i will be polluting london, tomorrow i will be polluting london, tomorrow i will be polluting london and the day after i will be polluting london, for the next 12 months may be i will be polluting london but i will have to pay £12.50 to do it. is it about getting the £12 50 off me or is it about getting my car off the road? if it�*s about getting vans off the road, set a hotline up. one of the letters i�*m having to argue that i am a tradesman. i have got hundreds and hundreds of invoices, i have public liability insurance. i am on

all the trade, i don�*t know if i can say the names, the trade sites, i have my own website. you name it. i could send you a link now and you would say i�*m definitely a painter and decorator but on the tfl website, unless i have these specific documents, i�*m not a painter and decorator. to specific documents, i'm not a painter and decorator.- specific documents, i'm not a painter and decorator. to be honest i desperately _ painter and decorator. to be honest i desperately need _ painter and decorator. to be honest i desperately need to _ painter and decorator. to be honest i desperately need to work - painter and decorator. to be honest i desperately need to work so - painter and decorator. to be honest i desperately need to work so if - painter and decorator. to be honest i desperately need to work so if you j i desperately need to work so if you feel like jumping i desperately need to work so if you feel likejumping in yourvan i desperately need to work so if you feel like jumping in your van and feel likejumping in your van and driving up the m1 i feel like jumping in your van and driving up the m1 i would take it, no problem. maria in enfield, ulez is driving you out of yourjob, is that right? i�*m is driving you out of your 'ob, is that figmfi is driving you out of your 'ob, is that rightafi that right? i'm afraid it is, my dear, that right? i'm afraid it is, my dear. yes- _ that right? i'm afraid it is, my dear. yes- i— that right? i'm afraid it is, my dear, yes. i am _ that right? i'm afraid it is, my dear, yes. i am a _ that right? i'm afraid it is, my dear, yes. i am a dinner- that right? i'm afraid it is, my dear, yes. i am a dinner ladyl that right? i'm afraid it is, my. dear, yes. i am a dinner lady at that right? i'm afraid it is, my i dear, yes. i am a dinner lady at a school~ _ dear, yes. i am a dinner lady at a school~ i— dear, yes. i am a dinner lady at a school~ ionly— dear, yes. i am a dinner lady at a school. i only do an hour a day because — school. i only do an hour a day because i_ school. i only do an hour a day because i am disabled. i have rheumatoid arthritis but i've managed to get myself a little job. 0bviously— managed to get myself a little job. obviously the money i earn, i work it out— obviously the money i earn, i work it out there — obviously the money i earn, i work it out there actually is my wages. basically. — it out there actually is my wages. basically. i— it out there actually is my wages. basically, i will be giving that money— basically, i will be giving that money to mr khan basically and also it won't— money to mr khan basically and also it won't be _

money to mr khan basically and also it won't be going in my pocket. i will be _ it won't be going in my pocket. i will be getting nothing, i will be earning — will be getting nothing, i will be earning absolutely nothing. haste will be getting nothing, i will be earning absolutely nothing. have you looked at all — earning absolutely nothing. have you looked at all the _ earning absolutely nothing. have you looked at all the alternatives, - looked at all the alternatives, public transport, lift sharing? the troblem public transport, lift sharing? the problem is. _ public transport, lift sharing? the problem is, london transport, i know it's great— problem is, london transport, i know it's great that the buses in the morning. _ it's great that the buses in the morning. i_ it's great that the buses in the morning, i have to go in with the children— morning, i have to go in with the children in— morning, i have to go in with the children in the morning and the buses— children in the morning and the buses in— children in the morning and the buses in the morning are so busy. i don't _ buses in the morning are so busy. i don't like _ buses in the morning are so busy. i don't like getting on the buses, to be honest— don't like getting on the buses, to be honest with you. they are really, really _ be honest with you. they are really, really busy — be honest with you. they are really, really busy in the morning. if i scrap — really busy in the morning. if i scrap my— really busy in the morning. if i scrap my car, i only get 2000 but if you look— scrap my car, i only get 2000 but if you look now— scrap my car, i only get 2000 but if you look now at the second hand car, they are _ you look now at the second hand car, they are up _ you look now at the second hand car, theyare up to— you look now at the second hand car, they are up to nearly £10,000 for a second _ they are up to nearly £10,000 for a second hand car now. ijust haven't -ot second hand car now. ijust haven't got that— second hand car now. ijust haven't got that extra money. xltf'erger second hand car now. i 'ust haven't got that extra money._ second hand car now. i 'ust haven't got that extra money. very few cars under 5000- _ got that extra money. very few cars under5000- l— got that extra money. very few cars under 5000. i haven't _ got that extra money. very few cars under 5000. i haven't got _ got that extra money. very few cars under 5000. i haven't got the - got that extra money. very few cars l under 5000. i haven't got the money to tet under 5000. i haven't got the money to get myself — under 5000. i haven't got the money to get myself that _ under 5000. i haven't got the money to get myself that car, _ under 5000. i haven't got the money to get myself that car, so _ under 5000. i haven't got the money to get myself that car, so i'm - under 5000. i haven't got the money to get myself that car, so i'm just i to get myself that car, so i'm just working _ to get myself that car, so i'm just working out, really. i really don't want _ working out, really. i really don't want to— working out, really. i really don't want to leave myjob but it'sjust not viable — want to leave myjob but it'sjust not viable for me to go into work. the other— not viable for me to go into work. the other thing is, not viable for me to go into work. the otherthing is, i know not viable for me to go into work. the other thing is, i know from my kids, if a dinner lady leaves, especially if they have been there

awhile, it�*s like losing a beloved member the family. i awhile, it's like losing a beloved member the family.— awhile, it's like losing a beloved member the family. i have been there 18 ears i member the family. i have been there 18 years i have — member the family. i have been there 18 years i have worked _ member the family. i have been there 18 years i have worked there - member the family. i have been there 18 years i have worked there 18 - 18 years i have worked there 18 years _ 18 years i have worked there 18 years we — 18 years i have worked there 18 years i've worked there and i absolutely love myjob. and to leave it, absolutely love myjob. and to leave it. it's _ absolutely love myjob. and to leave it, it's really— absolutely love myjob. and to leave it, it's really breaking my heart, to be _ it, it's really breaking my heart, to be honest with you. but there's no point _ to be honest with you. but there's no point me — to be honest with you. but there's no point me going into work. what is the point _ no point me going into work. what is the point of— no point me going into work. what is the point of going into work, to pay £1250 _ the point of going into work, to pay £1250 a _ the point of going into work, to pay £12.50 a day? i worked it out on my computer— £12.50 a day? i worked it out on my computer and it's almost £250 a month — computer and it's almost £250 a month. ., , ., computer and it's almost £250 a month. . i. ., ,, computer and it's almost £250 a month. . ., ,, ., month. have you talk to your employees. _ month. have you talk to your employees, the _ month. have you talk to your employees, the school? - month. have you talk to your employees, the school? i - month. have you talk to your- employees, the school? i haven't et, iwill employees, the school? i haven't yet. i will be _ employees, the school? i haven't yet, i will be going _ employees, the school? i haven't yet, i will be going back- employees, the school? i haven't yet, i will be going back to - employees, the school? i haven't yet, i will be going back to school next week— yet, i will be going back to school next week but i don't really know. maybe _ next week but i don't really know. maybe i_ next week but i don't really know. maybe i can maybe speak to someone, maybe _ maybe i can maybe speak to someone, maybe get _ maybe i can maybe speak to someone, maybe get a _ maybe i can maybe speak to someone, maybe get a little lift into work in the morning and get the bus home or something _ the morning and get the bus home or something. but it'sjust the mornings with the way the buses are, ektremely— mornings with the way the buses are, extremely busy with school children. i extremely busy with school children. | -et extremely busy with school children. i get it _ extremely busy with school children. l get it its— extremely busy with school children. i tet it. , ., extremely busy with school children. itetit. , ., i get it. its not you get hemmed in the bus and _ i get it. its not you get hemmed in the bus and it's _ i get it. its not you get hemmed in the bus and it's awful. _ i get it. its not you get hemmed in the bus and it's awful. what - i get it. its not you get hemmed in the bus and it's awful. what did i the bus and it's awful. what did the bus and it's awful. what did the call the bus and it's awful. what did they call you — the bus and it's awful. what did they call you at _ the bus and it's awful. what did they call you at school? -

the bus and it's awful. what did they call you at school? they i the bus and it's awful. what did i they call you at school? theyjust they call you at school? they 'ust call me they call you at school? they 'ust eat me miss. fl they call you at school? they 'ust call me miss. there i they call you at school? they 'ust call me miss. there will�* they call you at school? they 'ust call me miss. there will be h they call you at school? theyjust call me miss. there will be kids i call me miss. there will be kids now... i could _ call me miss. there will be kids now... i could tell— call me miss. there will be kids now... i could tell you - call me miss. there will be kids now... i could tell you some i now... i could tell you some stories- _ now... i could tell you some stories- i — now... i could tell you some stories. i bet _ now... i could tell you some stories. i bet if _ now... i could tell you some stories. i bet if they - now... i could tell you some stories. i bet if they hear i now... i could tell you some | stories. i bet if they hear you now... i could tell you some - stories. i bet if they hear you are not coming _ stories. i bet if they hear you are not coming back— stories. i bet if they hear you are not coming back to _ stories. i bet if they hear you are not coming back to where - stories. i bet if they hear you are not coming back to where they i stories. i bet if they hear you are i not coming back to where they will be absolutely gutted. fries. be absolutely gutted. yes, absolutely. _ be absolutely gutted. yes, absolutely. i'm _ be absolutely gutted. yes, absolutely. i'm going - be absolutely gutted. yes, absolutely. i'm going to i be absolutely gutted. yes, | absolutely. i'm going to go be absolutely gutted. yes, - absolutely. i'm going to go next weekend — absolutely. i'm going to go next weekend i will have a chat with maybe — weekend i will have a chat with maybe a — weekend i will have a chat with maybe a couple of the girls. i do know _ maybe a couple of the girls. i do know one — maybe a couple of the girls. i do know one girl who may be maybe a couple of the girls. i do know one girl who may he could give me a _ know one girl who may he could give me a lift _ know one girl who may he could give me a lift in — know one girl who may he could give me a lift in. it�*s know one girl who may be could give me a lift in— me a lift in. it's worth exploring. i mitht me a lift in. it's worth exploring. i might look— me a lift in. it's worth exploring. i might look into _ me a lift in. it's worth exploring. i might look into it _ me a lift in. it's worth exploring. i might look into it but _ me a lift in. it's worth exploring. i might look into it but it's - i might look into it but it's something i don't really want to do. working _ something i don't really want to do. working the money out, it's not going _ working the money out, it's not going to — working the money out, it's not going to go in my pocket, it's not, i going to go in my pocket, it's not, hust— going to go in my pocket, it's not, liust will— going to go in my pocket, it's not, liust will be — going to go in my pocket, it's not, ijust will be giving it for that everyday _ ijust will be giving it for that everyday and it's a lot of money, £1250 _ everyday and it's a lot of money, £1250 a — everyday and it's a lot of money, £12.50 a day. it everyday and it's a lot of money, £12-50 a day-— £12.50 a day. it is a lot of money for people- _ £12.50 a day. it is a lot of money for people. let's _ £12.50 a day. it is a lot of money for people. let's listen _ £12.50 a day. it is a lot of money for people. let's listen to - £12.50 a day. it is a lot of money i for people. let's listen to maureen. thank you. — for people. let's listen to maureen. thank you. my _ for people. let's listen to maureen. thank you, my love, _ for people. let's listen to maureen. thank you, my love, anyway. - for people. let's listen to maureen. | thank you, my love, anyway. lovely to talk to you- _ thank you, my love, anyway. lovely to talk to you. i _ thank you, my love, anyway. lovely to talk to you. i hope _ thank you, my love, anyway. lovely to talk to you. i hope she _ thank you, my love, anyway. lovely to talk to you. i hope she can - thank you, my love, anyway. lovely to talk to you. i hope she can sort . to talk to you. i hope she can sort that out. maureen is in worcester park, good morning.— that out. maureen is in worcester park, good morning. good morning. ritht back park, good morning. good morning. right back where _ park, good morning. good morning. right back where about _ park, good morning. good morning. right back where about is _ park, good morning. good morning. right back where about is worcester park? _

right back where about is worcester park? where — right back where about is worcester park? where i— right back where about is worcester park? where i live _ right back where about is worcester park? where i live in— right back where about is worcester park? where i live in the _ right back where about is worcester park? where i live in the borough. right back where about is worcester park? where i live in the borough ofj park? where i live in the borough of epsom, _ park? where i live in the borough of epsom, at _ park? where i live in the borough of epsom, at the — park? where i live in the borough of epsom, at the end _ park? where i live in the borough of epsom, at the end of— park? where i live in the borough of epsom, at the end of my— park? where i live in the borough of epsom, at the end of my road, - epsom, at the end of my road, kingston — epsom, at the end of my road, kingston starts. _ epsom, at the end of my road, kingston starts. so _ epsom, at the end of my road, kingston starts. so i— epsom, at the end of my road, kingston starts. so i live - epsom, at the end of my road, kingston starts. so i live 100 i kingston starts. so i live 100 metres— kingston starts. so i live 100 metres out— kingston starts. so i live 100 metres out of— kingston starts. so i live 100 metres out of ulez _ kingston starts. so i live 100 metres out of ulez but - kingston starts. so i live 100 metres out of ulez but all. kingston starts. so i live 100| metres out of ulez but all my facilities _ metres out of ulez but all my facilities are _ metres out of ulez but all my facilities are in _ metres out of ulez but all my facilities are in london, - metres out of ulez but all my facilities are in london, in- metres out of ulez but all my| facilities are in london, in the london — facilities are in london, in the london borough _ facilities are in london, in the london borough of _ facilities are in london, in the london borough of kingston. i facilities are in london, in the. london borough of kingston. if facilities are in london, in the i london borough of kingston. if i want _ london borough of kingston. if i want to— london borough of kingston. if i want to go— london borough of kingston. if i want to go to _ london borough of kingston. if i want to go to the _ london borough of kingston. if i want to go to the doctors, - london borough of kingston. if i want to go to the doctors, the i london borough of kingston. if i - want to go to the doctors, the bank, the hospital. — want to go to the doctors, the bank, the hospital. so— want to go to the doctors, the bank, the hospital. so i_ want to go to the doctors, the bank, the hospital, so i actually— want to go to the doctors, the bank, the hospital, so i actually had - want to go to the doctors, the bank, the hospital, so i actually had to - the hospital, so i actually had to buy a _ the hospital, so i actually had to buy a new— the hospital, so i actually had to buy a new car— the hospital, so i actually had to buy a new car because _ the hospital, so i actually had to buy a new car because i- the hospital, so i actually had to buy a new car because i had - the hospital, so i actually had to buy a new car because i had a i the hospital, so i actually had to - buy a new car because i had a diesel car which _ buy a new car because i had a diesel car which i _ buy a new car because i had a diesel car which i bought, _ buy a new car because i had a diesel car which i bought, which— buy a new car because i had a diesel car which i bought, which was- buy a new car because i had a diesel car which i bought, which was the i car which i bought, which was the greenest — car which i bought, which was the greenest car _ car which i bought, which was the greenest car you _ car which i bought, which was the greenest car you could _ car which i bought, which was the greenest car you could buy- car which i bought, which was the greenest car you could buy at - car which i bought, which was the greenest car you could buy at the| greenest car you could buy at the time _ greenest car you could buy at the time a _ greenest car you could buy at the time a volvo _ greenest car you could buy at the time. a volvo with _ greenest car you could buy at the time. a volvo with a _ greenest car you could buy at the time. a volvo with a green - greenest car you could buy at the time. a volvo with a green e - greenest car you could buy at the i time. a volvo with a green e badge on. time. a volvo with a green e badge on the _ time. a volvo with a green e badge on the road — time. a volvo with a green e badge on. the road tax— time. a volvo with a green e badge on. the road tax is— time. a volvo with a green e badge on. the road tax is £20. _ time. a volvo with a green e badge on. the road tax is £20. that- time. a volvo with a green e badge on. the road tax is £20. that was. on. the road tax is £20. that was the one _ on. the road tax is £20. that was the one you — on. the road tax is £20. that was the one you are _ on. the road tax is £20. that was the one you are advised - on. the road tax is £20. that was the one you are advised to - on. the road tax is £20. that was the one you are advised to buy. on. the road tax is £20. that was the one you are advised to buy so on. the road tax is £20. that was. the one you are advised to buy so i bought— the one you are advised to buy so i bought that — the one you are advised to buy so i bought that car _ the one you are advised to buy so i bought that car and _ the one you are advised to buy so i bought that car and now— the one you are advised to buy so i bought that car and now i've - the one you are advised to buy so i bought that car and now i've had i bought that car and now i've had tom _ bought that car and now i've had tom because— bought that car and now i've had to... because we _ bought that car and now i've had to... because we are _ bought that car and now i've had to... because we are out - bought that car and now i've had to... because we are out of- bought that car and now i've had - to... because we are out of london, we couldn't— to... because we are out of london, we couldn'tioin_ to... because we are out of london, we couldn't join the _ to... because we are out of london, we couldn't join the scrappage - 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i had to buy a new— and i got £1000 for my old car. and i had to buy a new petrol _ and i got £1000 for my old car. and i had to buy a new petrol car- and i got £1000 for my old car. and i had to buy a new petrol car so - and i got £1000 for my old car. and i had to buy a new petrol car so i i i had to buy a new petrol car so i could _ i had to buy a new petrol car so i could drive — i had to buy a new petrol car so i could drive and _ i had to buy a new petrol car so i could drive and also, _ i had to buy a new petrol car so i could drive and also, i'm - i had to buy a new petrol car so i could drive and also, i'm 77 - i had to buy a new petrol car so i could drive and also, i'm 77 and i i had to buy a new petrol car so i| could drive and also, i'm 77 and i worked _ could drive and also, i'm 77 and i worked as— could drive and also, i'm 77 and i worked as a _ could drive and also, i'm 77 and i worked as a teacher _ could drive and also, i'm 77 and i worked as a teacher until- could drive and also, i'm 77 and i worked as a teacher until i- could drive and also, i'm 77 and i worked as a teacher until i was i could drive and also, i'm 77 and ii worked as a teacher until i was 73, so i worked as a teacher until i was 73, so i had _ worked as a teacher until i was 73, so i had enough— worked as a teacher until i was 73, so i had enough money— worked as a teacher until i was 73, so i had enough money to- worked as a teacher until i was 73, so i had enough money to buy- worked as a teacher until i was 73, so i had enough money to buy a i worked as a teacher until i was 73, i so i had enough money to buy a new car. so i had enough money to buy a new can but— so i had enough money to buy a new can but it's — so i had enough money to buy a new can but it's not _ so i had enough money to buy a new car. but it's not everyone _ so i had enough money to buy a new car. but it's not everyone who - so i had enough money to buy a new car. but it's not everyone who has i car. but it's not everyone who has but i _ car. but it's not everyone who has but i have — car. but it's not everyone who has but i have just _ car. but it's not everyone who has but i have just had _ car. but it's not everyone who has but i have just had two _ car. but it's not everyone who has but i have just had two cataract i but i have just had two cataract operations _ but i have just had two cataract operations and _ but i have just had two cataract operations and i'm _ but i have just had two cataract operations and i'm waiting - but i have just had two cataract operations and i'm waiting for. but i have just had two cataract| operations and i'm waiting for a replacement_ operations and i'm waiting for a replacement knee _ operations and i'm waiting for a replacement knee and - operations and i'm waiting for a replacement knee and i- operations and i'm waiting for a replacement knee and i have i replacement knee and i have arthritis _ replacement knee and i have arthritis in _ replacement knee and i have arthritis in my— replacement knee and i have arthritis in my thigh - replacement knee and i have arthritis in my thigh and - replacement knee and i have arthritis in my thigh and i- replacement knee and i have i arthritis in my thigh and i need replacement knee and i have - arthritis in my thigh and i need a cart _ arthritis in my thigh and i need a car, so _ arthritis in my thigh and i need a car, so i — arthritis in my thigh and i need a car, so i could _ arthritis in my thigh and i need a car, so i could buy— arthritis in my thigh and i need a car, so i could buy one. - arthritis in my thigh and i need a car, so i could buy one. but - arthritis in my thigh and i need a car, so i could buy one. but i - arthritis in my thigh and i need ai car, so i could buy one. but i kind of understand... _ car, so i could buy one. but i kind of understand... —— _ car, so i could buy one. but i kind of understand... —— can't - car, so i could buy one. but i kind i of understand... —— can't understand how we _ of understand... —— can't understand how we arrived — of understand... —— can't understand how we arrived at _ of understand... —— can't understand how we arrived at the _ of understand... —— can't understand how we arrived at the cost _ of understand... —— can't understand how we arrived at the cost of- of understand... —— can't understand how we arrived at the cost of £12 - of understand... —— can't understand how we arrived at the cost of £12 50| how we arrived at the cost of £12 50 p. how we arrived at the cost of £12 50 p how _ how we arrived at the cost of £12 50 p how did — how we arrived at the cost of £12 50 p. how did someone _ how we arrived at the cost of £12 50 p. how did someone put— how we arrived at the cost of £12 50 p. how did someone put a - how we arrived at the cost of £12 50 p. how did someone put a cost- how we arrived at the cost of £12 50 p. how did someone put a cost on. p. how did someone put a cost on that charge? _ p. how did someone put a cost on that charge? because _ p. how did someone put a cost on that charge? because it _ p. how did someone put a cost on that charge? because it is - that charge? because it is extremelym _ that charge? because it is extremely... it— that charge? because it is extremely... it is- that charge? because it is extremely... it is a - that charge? because it is extremely... it is a lot - that charge? because it is extremely... it is a lot ofi that charge? because it is - extremely... it is a lot of money if you have _ extremely... it is a lot of money if you have to— extremely... it is a lot of money if you have to go— extremely... it is a lot of money if you have to go in— extremely... it is a lot of money if you have to go in every— extremely... it is a lot of money if you have to go in every day, - extremely... it is a lot of money if you have to go in every day, isn'ti you have to go in every day, isn't it? , , ., ., , it? yes. i 'ust want to bring in... wh it? yes. ijust want to bring in... why could _ it? yes. ijust want to bring in... why could he — it? yes. ijust want to bring in... why could he not _ it? yes. ijust want to bring in... why could he notjust _ it? yes. ijust want to bring in... why could he notjust scrap - it? yes. ijust want to bring in... why could he notjust scrap old i why could he not just scrap old cars? _ why could he not just scrap old cars? why— why could he not just scrap old cars? why have _ why could he not just scrap old cars? why have we _ why could he not just scrap old cars? why have we got - why could he not just scrap old cars? why have we got to - why could he not just scrap old cars? why have we got to havej why could he not just scrap old i cars? why have we got to have a why could he not just scrap old - cars? why have we got to have a fee? i cars? why have we got to have a fee? i suppose _ cars? why have we got to have a fee? i suppose it's — cars? why have we got to have a fee? i suppose it's to— cars? why have we got to have a fee? i suppose it's to give _ cars? why have we got to have a fee? i suppose it's to give people _ cars? why have we got to have a fee? i suppose it's to give people the - i suppose it�*s to give people the option, a little bit of leeway if they absolutely want to drive, ok,

you can do it but you have to pay for the privilege.— for the privilege. how about that much, for the privilege. how about that much. how _ for the privilege. how about that much, how did _ for the privilege. how about that much, how did he _ for the privilege. how about that much, how did he arrive - for the privilege. how about that much, how did he arrive at - for the privilege. how about that j much, how did he arrive at that? for the privilege. how about that - much, how did he arrive at that? why couldn't— much, how did he arrive at that? why couldn't it _ much, how did he arrive at that? why couldn't it be — much, how did he arrive at that? why couldn't it be two _ much, how did he arrive at that? why couldn't it be two quid _ much, how did he arrive at that? why couldn't it be two quid or— couldn't it be two quid or something _ couldn't it be two quid or something. i— couldn't it be two quid or something.— couldn't it be two quid or something. couldn't it be two quid or somethint. ,, ., �*, ., ., something. i guess that's not enough to tut something. i guess that's not enough to put people — something. i guess that's not enough to put people off— something. i guess that's not enough to put people off driving _ something. i guess that's not enough to put people off driving their - something. i guess that's not enough to put people off driving their old - to put people off driving their old cars. valentina in ealing, i hope you are listening, we will come to you are listening, we will come to you after we have heard the latest bbc news. you make a very good point, maureen. i know it�*s a lot of point, maureen. i know it�*s a lot of point —— point a lot of people want to raise, there is a suspicion the money being raised isjust a cash cow for the mayor of london. he has denied that. he was on the bbc today saying it�*s not about the money, any money they make will be ploughed back into public transport. this is all about the public health crisis. but what he�*s going to do now, we but what he's going to do now, we buy a _ but what he's going to do now, we buy a travel— but what he's going to do now, we buy a travel card _ but what he's going to do now, we buy a travel card from _ but what he's going to do now, we buy a travel card from our - but what he's going to do now, we buy a travel card from our londonl buy a travel card from our london station _ buy a travel card from our london station on — buy a travel card from our london station on both _ buy a travel card from our london station on both my— buy a travel card from our london station on both my stations - buy a travel card from our london station on both my stations are i buy a travel card from our london station on both my stations are in kingston — station on both my stations are in kingston 0ne _ station on both my stations are in kingston. one is— station on both my stations are in kingston. one is in _ station on both my stations are in kingston. one is in kingston, - station on both my stations are in kingston. one is in kingston, onej station on both my stations are in i kingston. one is in kingston, one in sutton, _ kingston. one is in kingston, one in sutton, i_ kingston. one is in kingston, one in sutton, i buy— kingston. one is in kingston, one in sutton, i buy a _ kingston. one is in kingston, one in sutton, i buy a travel— kingston. one is in kingston, one in sutton, i buy a travel card _ kingston. one is in kingston, one in sutton, i buy a travel card if- kingston. one is in kingston, one in sutton, i buy a travel card if i - kingston. one is in kingston, one in sutton, i buy a travel card if i go - sutton, i buy a travel card if i go to london— sutton, i buy a travel card if i go to london for— sutton, i buy a travel card if i go to london for the _ sutton, i buy a travel card if i go to london for the day. _ sutton, i buy a travel card if i go to london for the day. he - sutton, i buy a travel card if i go to london for the day. he is- sutton, i buy a travel card if i go i to london for the day. he is going to london for the day. he is going to stop _ to london for the day. he is going to stop those _ to london for the day. he is going

to stop those now. _ to london for the day. he is going to stop those now.— to stop those now. thank you so much, maureen, _ to stop those now. thank you so much, maureen, thank- to stop those now. thank you so much, maureen, thank you - to stop those now. thank you so much, maureen, thank you very| to stop those now. thank you so - much, maureen, thank you very much. this is where we say goodbye to our tv viewers on bbc news and bbc two. thank you for being with us. live from london. this is bbc news. pakistan�*s high court suspends former prime minister imran khan�*s recent conviction on corruption charges. football officials from across spain urge luis rubiales to resign as football president after he kissed a player at the women�*s world cup final.

passengers face flight disruption for days after technical problems with the uk�*s air traffic control system. japan urges china to protect japanese residents — after a wave of harassment linked to the release of water from the fukushima nuclear plant. we start in pakistan, where the high court has suspended former prime minister imran khan�*s recent conviction on corruption charges. mr khan has been in prison since he was sentenced to three years on august 5th — on charges of unlawfully selling state gifts during his tenure as prime minister.

as a result of the conviction, he was also barred for five years