hello, i'm christian fraser. you're watching the context on bbc news. a uk parliamentary committee calls for the regulation of al to be sped up. we'll speak to its chair.

there are many opportunities associated with artificial intelligence, but with progress comes risks — potential threats to national security, concerns about our privacy, the danger ai that spreads misinformation or reinforces societal biases. if we are to maintain confidence in this new technology, then we will need rules and laws to guide it. the uk parliament's committee for science, innovation and technology has just published a report which calls on the government to legislate as quickly as possible. the government is hosting an international ai summit in november. the committee thinks that would be a good opportunity to steer the conversation on what those rules should be. with us tonight, the chair of that committee greg clarke. good to see you. who did you speak to for this report and what concerns did they express about the way the government is approaching the rules? we spoke as we do in all our inquiries to experts both from

institutions that are academic and practitioners from big companies and small. and there was a recognition that the uk government has been quite proactive about al. it published a white paper in consultation in march with some very high level principles, fairness and such like. but what we are saying in our report is that that's all well and good, but the pace of the development of technology means that the pace of the development of the governance regime cannot fall behind. and we think that now is the time to translate that interest into some targeted but necessary legislative powers. but some targeted but necessary legislative powers.— some targeted but necessary legislative powers. but how do you leaislate legislative powers. but how do you legislate on _ legislative powers. but how do you legislate on it _ legislative powers. but how do you legislate on it when, _ legislative powers. but how do you legislate on it when, let's - legislative powers. but how do you legislate on it when, let's face - legislative powers. but how do you legislate on it when, let's face it, i legislate on it when, let's face it, some of the challenges might not be yet obvious?—

yet obvious? that's right, and i think it is _ yet obvious? that's right, and i think it is right _ yet obvious? that's right, and i think it is right to _ yet obvious? that's right, and i think it is right to get _ yet obvious? that's right, and i i think it is right to get regulation, to get it right and not to make a misstep. and that's why the approach to the uk government has taken, which has been to work with the existing regulators, many of which have deep expertise, seems to us the right approach. so ai has many applications in medicine, for example. the uk medical regulator has a lot of experience in this, and we think it's right to work through them. but, and here is the but, if you are working through with existing regulators, you need to be sure that they have the powers because they are all set up for different purposes. we need to make sure that they are equipped with the right powers to be able to step in and to take of you on some of these

emerging developments. {lilia and to take of you on some of these emerging developments.— and to take of you on some of these emerging developments. ok, so you are devolving — emerging developments. ok, so you are devolving some _ emerging developments. ok, so you are devolving some of _ emerging developments. ok, so you are devolving some of the _ are devolving some of the decision—making on a regulation to outside bodies. you seem as they are in this report is to be suggesting that a framework for some sort of legislation could be in place by november, in time for this ai summit. do you think there is enough expertise within parliament to fully grasp all the issues? 50 expertise within parliament to fully grasp all the issues?— grasp all the issues? so to be clear, grasp all the issues? so to be clear. our— grasp all the issues? so to be clear, our recommendation i grasp all the issues? so to be clear, our recommendation is| grasp all the issues? so to be - clear, our recommendation is not that written legislation is in place by november. but we have in the uk in november is the king's speech, which sets out the legislative programme for the next year. and that's important because this is the last year of the uk parliament, after which there will be a general election in most people expect the autumn of 202a. and here is the point, that if you don't legislate during the next few months, then the

window closes. after which, is not really until the middle or towards the end of 2025, two years from now, before you can take legislative steps. and in those two years, the pace of development is very rapid, and otherjurisdictions, the eu and quite possibly the united states, will be proceeding as they draught... will be proceeding as they draught- - -_ will be proceeding as they draught... will be proceeding as they drau~ht... , ., . draught... very quickly on that issue, if draught... very quickly on that issue. if they _ draught... very quickly on that issue, if they mould _ draught... very quickly on that| issue, if they mould legislation draught... very quickly on that - issue, if they mould legislation and we don't, why are you concerned about that?— about that? the concern is i think we have a — about that? the concern is i think we have a distinct _ about that? the concern is i think we have a distinct of _ about that? the concern is i think we have a distinct of approach - about that? the concern is i think we have a distinct of approach we can offer here. so the eu approach seems likely to be quite draconian, quite top—down. the approach that the uk is favouring and we think this is an agile kind of approach is to make sure that the specialist regulators with deep experience in their sectors have the tools, and so

we will be a shame, it will be galling to the time we come to legislate, other countries have proceeded and other companies and players have said, do you know what, that's the incumbent regulation, we are going to go with that. and we miss the opportunity. let’s are going to go with that. and we miss the opportunity. let's bring in the anel miss the opportunity. let's bring in the panel on _ miss the opportunity. let's bring in the panel on this _ miss the opportunity. let's bring in the panel on this because - miss the opportunity. let's bring in the panel on this because as - miss the opportunity. let's bring in the panel on this because as he - miss the opportunity. let's bring in the panel on this because as he is. the panel on this because as he is just that, the pace regulation has to match the pace of development but we have spoken to people on the hill in recent weeks on this programme who are concerned that the wheels of the committees turned far too slowly to get ahead of this. do you understand what mr clark is saying here that we are going to miss the opportunity?— opportunity? well, i think in the united states, _ opportunity? well, i think in the united states, the _ opportunity? well, i think in the united states, the challenge - opportunity? well, i think in the| united states, the challenge will opportunity? well, i think in the - united states, the challenge will be the timing on this. there is but a lot of— the timing on this. there is but a lot of conversation about this. the biden— lot of conversation about this. the biden administration put out and ai consumer— biden administration put out and ai consumer bill of rights, that was sometime — consumer bill of rights, that was sometime last year. you have heard many— sometime last year. you have heard many in _ sometime last year. you have heard many in the — sometime last year. you have heard many in the congress with some nation _ many in the congress with some nation legislation proposed. there

is a at _ nation legislation proposed. there is a ai summit that the senate minority— is a ai summit that the senate minority democratic leader chuck schumer— minority democratic leader chuck schumer from new york is holding on september— schumer from new york is holding on september the 13th and there will be a series— september the 13th and there will be a series of— september the 13th and there will be a series of other hearings this fall that will— a series of other hearings this fall that will address the topic. the fundamental issue isjust that will address the topic. the fundamental issue is just there that will address the topic. the fundamental issue isjust there is very little — fundamental issue isjust there is very little bandwidth in the us for actual— very little bandwidth in the us for actual legislative activity to happen before the end of the year, and then— happen before the end of the year, and then we are into a campaign year inz024— and then we are into a campaign year in2024 with— and then we are into a campaign year in 2024 with the presidential and congressional elections, which makes it even_ congressional elections, which makes it even less _ congressional elections, which makes it even less likely. 0f congressional elections, which makes it even less likely. of course the challenges not necessarily even ai legislation or regulation giving out with the _ legislation or regulation giving out with the pace of development, it's 'ust with the pace of development, it's just a _ with the pace of development, it's just a basic— with the pace of development, it's just a basic understanding. a lot of lawmakers— just a basic understanding. a lot of lawmakers don't have a basic understanding of the impact of ai technology on the us economy, the impact _ technology on the us economy, the impact on _ technology on the us economy, the impact on the global economy, so 'ust impact on the global economy, so just getting into a point of understanding this is sort of the first issue — understanding this is sort of the first issue and second is finding any kind — first issue and second is finding any kind of bandwidth and timing for any kind of bandwidth and timing for a legislative reaction. 0n the administration side, the buy demonstration is lucky to pursue an executive _ demonstration is lucky to pursue an executive order on al that may come this fall~ _ executive order on al that may come this fall~ 0t— executive order on al that may come this fall. of course there has

already— this fall. of course there has already been some executive action around _ already been some executive action around outbound investment restrictions from the us into ai technology in china. but really aside — technology in china. but really aside from those narrow areas, we are not— aside from those narrow areas, we are not seeing a whole lot of velocity— are not seeing a whole lot of velocity behind this effort so i don't — velocity behind this effort so i don't have a great deal of confidence at off the us is going to be in _ confidence at off the us is going to be in any— confidence at off the us is going to be in any position to regulate or legislate — be in any position to regulate or legislate on this matter this year. it's legislate on this matter this year. it's really— legislate on this matter this year. it's really fascinating what's come out of this because what mr clark essay is we to get in by the king's speech in november and what you are saying is get it before the residual elections and, andrew, we have a youth upon entry elections coming up next year so committees there are not focusing on its what we are actually saying is if we don't move in the next few months on this, it's going to be a year before anybody gets a grip. going to be a year before anybody gets a grip-— going to be a year before anybody uu-etsari. ., ., ,, ., gets a grip. yeah, and i think what this reveals _ gets a grip. yeah, and i think what this reveals really _ gets a grip. yeah, and i think what this reveals really is _ gets a grip. yeah, and i think what this reveals really is how _ this reveals really is how much governments _ this reveals really is how much governments regulate - this reveals really is how much governments regulate and - this reveals really is how much l governments regulate and shake markets — governments regulate and shake markets if— governments regulate and shake markets if you _ governments regulate and shake markets. if you get _ governments regulate and shake markets. if you get in— governments regulate and shake markets. if you get in there - governments regulate and shake markets. if you get in there first| markets. if you get in there first with the — markets. if you get in there first with the first — markets. if you get in there first with the first distinctive - with the first distinctive regulations, _ with the first distinctive regulations, use - with the first distinctive regulations, use of- with the first distinctive regulations, use of the| with the first distinctive - regulations, use of the tone. with the first distinctive _ regulations, use of the tone. we've already— regulations, use of the tone. we've already seen — regulations, use of the tone. we've already seen with _ regulations, use of the tone. we've already seen with al, _ regulations, use of the tone. we've already seen with al, it's _ regulations, use of the tone. we've already seen with al, it's out - regulations, use of the tone. we've already seen with al, it's out therei already seen with al, it's out there in riding _ already seen with al, it's out there in riding roughshod _ already seen with al, it's out there in riding roughshod over— already seen with al, it's out there in riding roughshod over existing l in riding roughshod over existing laws whether _ in riding roughshod over existing laws whether that's _ in riding roughshod over existing laws whether that's copyright, . laws whether that's copyright,

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give us the background where his this jewellery come from. this jewellery. _ this jewellery come from. this jewellery. $3 _ this jewellery come from. this jewellery, $3 million - this jewellery come from. try 3 jewellery, $3 million worth of jewellery, $3 million worth of jewellery and some expensive watches, came from a visit to saudi arabia and were given as a gift. the question is when it was returned, when it came back to brazil, was it declared as a presidential gift or a personal gift? if it was a personal gift, anybody coming in with anything over $1000 into the country needs to declare it. these goods were not declared, and then it's alleged that two watches worth $70,000 were then sold in the us. and that's the question, where is that money? well, the watches and what happened to them and was indeed a way of enriching jair bolsonaro personally. so that is what he was supposedly talking to the federal police about today, but he and his wife and other people who were called to the federal police remain silent. i called to the federal police remain silent. ., ., , ., ,

silent. i hate to swap notes before the went silent. i hate to swap notes before they went into _ silent. i hate to swap notes before they went into the _ silent. i hate to swap notes before they went into the interview - silent. i hate to swap notes before they went into the interview is - silent. i hate to swap notes before they went into the interview is this a case of mr and mrs and did they get the answers right and did they match? the only thing he is facing because he has a whole slew of legal headaches, mr bolsonaro, at the moment. ~ , , a, . ,, headaches, mr bolsonaro, at the moment. , , g headaches, mr bolsonaro, at the moment. ~ , . ,, g ., moment. absolutely. back in june, a case over fake _ moment. absolutely. back in june, a case over fake news, _ moment. absolutely. back in june, a case over fake news, spreading - moment. absolutely. back in june, a case over fake news, spreading fake | case over fake news, spreading fake news during the elections, saw him not be able to run for office for eight years also 2030 can run for office again. that is if the supreme court cases against him don't land him in prison first i will give you a list of them. there is interference with police, licking official data, false accusations over the pandemic and into democratic acts because if you recall back injanuary, we saw a similar storming on congress in the palace that we saw in the us. his supporters breaking into those buildings and more than 1000 people arrested over that, as was false information on vaccines during covid—19 and of course the gifts from abroad. so there are multiple

cases going to the supreme court and those are criminal cases and those could see him land injail if any go against him. could see him land in “ail if any go against hint could see him land in “ail if any go against that could see him land in “ail if any go against tint against him. and he is banned from runnint against him. and he is banned from running into — against him. and he is banned from running into 2030, _ against him. and he is banned from running into 2030, right? _ against him. and he is banned froml running into 2030, right? absolutely said that loans _ running into 2030, right? absolutely said that loans means _ running into 2030, right? absolutely said that loans means he _ running into 2030, right? absolutely said that loans means he is - running into 2030, right? absolutely said that loans means he is not - said that loans means he is not going to run. said that loans means he is not going to run-— going to run. 0k, there are people in america — going to run. 0k, there are people in america who — going to run. 0k, there are people in america who think— going to run. 0k, there are people in america who think the _ going to run. 0k, there are people in america who think the same - in america who think the same judgment should be handed down to donald trump if he is convicted. the fourth amendment prohibits anyone who has proven to take an oath of office, senators, congressmen, other public officials, from holding public officials, from holding public office or they have engaged in insurrection or rebellion. if he is found guilty in washington in this trial, should be able to run? personally i don't think so. that having _ personally i don't think so. that having been said, i'm not sure that the predominating position amongst republicans in washington or certainly around the country. i do think— certainly around the country. i do think it's — certainly around the country. i do think it's a — certainly around the country. i do think it's a controversial question because. — think it's a controversial question because, you know, so many people don't _ because, you know, so many people don't realise — because, you know, so many people don't realise it in the us currently as it _ don't realise it in the us currently as it stands, there really is no bar to someone — as it stands, there really is no bar to someone serving in office, even

if they've _ to someone serving in office, even if they've been convicted of very serious — if they've been convicted of very serious crime. and it would require an act— serious crime. and it would require an act of— serious crime. and it would require an act of congress or an indication of the _ an act of congress or an indication of the us— an act of congress or an indication of the us constitution in another context— of the us constitution in another context would certainly be legally challenged in order to present that bar to _ challenged in order to present that bar to service. so it is one of those — bar to service. so it is one of those things which is staggering to me, those things which is staggering to me. the _ those things which is staggering to me, the degree to which a former president— me, the degree to which a former president donald trump continues to remain— president donald trump continues to remain a _ president donald trump continues to remain a figure that many republicans are either scared of a court _ republicans are either scared of a court deferred to. this is something that we _ court deferred to. this is something that we are — court deferred to. this is something that we are going to see play out in very real time as we go out over the next several — very real time as we go out over the next several months during this relic— next several months during this relic and — next several months during this relic and primary process with the former— relic and primary process with the former president now indicted for times— former president now indicted for times on— former president now indicted for times on over at many different counts — times on over at many different counts of— times on over at many different counts of violating state and federal _ counts of violating state and federal law, likely becoming the republican nominee. it isjust a remarkable time in our politics here in america — remarkable time in our politics here in america-— remarkable time in our politics here in america. very quickly, andrew, it is extraordinaire _ in america. very quickly, andrew, it is extraordinaire that _ in america. very quickly, andrew, it is extraordinaire that jair _ is extraordinaire that jair bolsonaro, who styled himself on the long trip and i both face the same legal jeopardy. long trip and i both face the same legaljeopardy. you long trip and i both face the same legaljeopardy— long trip and i both face the same legaljeopardy. legal 'eopardy. you can add a third one legaljeopardy. you can add a third one of that — legaljeopardy. you can add a third one of that from _ legaljeopardy. you can add a third one of that from the _ legaljeopardy. you can add a third one of that from the uk _ legaljeopardy. you can add a third one of that from the uk in - one of that from the uk in boris johnson. — one of that from the uk in boris johnson. who— one of that from the uk in boris johnson, who is— one of that from the uk in boris johnson, who is of— one of that from the uk in boris johnson, who is of course - one of that from the uk in boris - johnson, who is of course disbarred from _ johnson, who is of course disbarred

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birthday, he cycled 1000 miles on his tricycle. but given his age, the great north run organisers requested that he do the walk accompanied by two carers. he says, "i fancy doing the great north run, will you help us? " and he just really took off from there, so i couldn't say no, really. one thing i hope comes out of it is it encourages other people to try the same thing. because very often you get to a certain age, and they say, "well, that's it." i'm not supposed to be able to do this. but ijust didn't hear that. ijust carried on as normal. i shall continue to do so until i'm forced to stop. for more stories from across the uk, head to the bbc news website. i have to show you the best pictures of the day. this is police in nebraska pulling over a man who driving on a motorway with a watisi bull, 1600 pounds, strapped

into the passenger seat. the bull is named howdy doody. he was standing with standing in the front seat with most of its body outside the vehicle. the police responding assumed the would be a small calf that would fit into this adapted car, but in fact the passenger side door had been replaced with a metal guardrail from a cattle stall. the police officer said, "there were some citable issues with this situation." you think? in the end, he was given a warning and asked to steer the animal home. do you like that? steer the animal home? now it's time for the panel. andrew, you want to talk about legalisation of cannabis, go. i wonder if i was on it when i saw that last picture you just showed, but a really interesting story about the federal reclassification of cannabis in the us. i think in the

us, it's much harsher drug at the federal level but state—wide laws in 23 states now where cannabis is legal for recreational use. and 23 states now where cannabis is legalfor recreational use. and in the uk, we still have got this drugs are bad, just say no kind of approach to drugs which is counterproductive and out of touch with reality. and i think it's an opportunity now to look around the world. canada has legalised cannabis. germany and luxembourg are looking into it quite seriously. some way down that path. in the uk... f ., some way down that path. in the uk... j ., ., some way down that path. in the uk... they've had a spike of drug desk, uk... they've had a spike of drug desk. though. — uk... they've had a spike of drug desk, though, in _ uk... they've had a spike of drug desk, though, in british - uk... they've had a spike of drug j desk, though, in british columbia uk... they've had a spike of drug i desk, though, in british columbia in vancouver. , ., , desk, though, in british columbia in vancouver. , . , vancouver. they have but your tradition distinction _ vancouver. they have but your tradition distinction between . vancouver. they have but your - tradition distinction between softer drugs like cannabis which are not legal and harder drugs like heroin and cocaine so you need a medical response as well as criminal perhaps but on the softer side you wind up criminalising certain people, generally your people and generally black people, even though we look at the data and usage, there is no difference in level of usage between white and black unities. he said

that both of the uk and the us if you prefer people who were stopped in her charts is very racial. so i think it's important and actually the politicians here out of touch public opinion in the recent polling showed over 50% are in favour of legalisation of cannabis. heat showed over 5096 are in favour of legalisation of cannabis. next time ou're on, legalisation of cannabis. next time you're on. we're — legalisation of cannabis. next time you're on, we're going _ legalisation of cannabis. next time you're on, we're going to - legalisation of cannabis. next time you're on, we're going to do - legalisation of cannabis. next time you're on, we're going to do that l you're on, we're going to do that and get people in from california and get people in from california and vancouver and pull it apart. traderjoe's, national chain of grocery stores, the sixth recall in two months! what's going on? the recall is, two months! what's going on? the recall is. you've — two months! what's going on? the recall is, you've got great problems they've had. they had one recall because — they've had. they had one recall because of— they've had. they had one recall because of rocks that were found, literally— because of rocks that were found, literally rocks that were found in food _ literally rocks that were found in food. items that are unsafe to eat. trader— food. items that are unsafe to eat. traderjoe's — food. items that are unsafe to eat. traderjoe's has kind of a cult following _ traderjoe's has kind of a cult following in the us, particularly a lot of— following in the us, particularly a lot of urban areas. you find a lot of younger— lot of urban areas. you find a lot of younger people in particular like to shop— of younger people in particular like to shop at— of younger people in particular like to shop at traderjoe's. but it does raise _ to shop at traderjoe's. but it does raise broader concerns about the food _ raise broader concerns about the food safety regime in the us. are we

doing _ food safety regime in the us. are we doing enough to make sure that pre—packaged foods in particular are going _ pre—packaged foods in particular are going through proper military processes was may i have actually purchased — processes was may i have actually purchased two of the recalled items over the _ purchased two of the recalled items over the last couple of months and i did not— over the last couple of months and i did not find — over the last couple of months and i did not find any rocks in my food, but nonetheless it is greatly concerning to me and i may stay away from trader— concerning to me and i may stay away from traderjoe's for some period of time until— from traderjoe's for some period of time until they work this out. | time until they work this out. i have time until they work this out. have not time until they work this out. i have not heard of the rock diet, i must say. but i'm sleep problems at traderjoe's we will follow that closely. 0ut traderjoe's we will follow that closely. out of time, thank you for your company this evening. we will be back with the programme same time tomorrow. hello from the bbc sport centre. i'm betty glover. we'll start with the champions league draw, which is now done and dusted. it includes, for the first time in two decades, newcastle in the group stage. so this is how it looks. defending champions manchester city were handed a pretty favourable one as they were paired with rb leipzig for the third time in a row.

manchester united have been drawn with harry kane's bayern munich in group a. mikel arteta's arsenal, who are back in the group stages for the first time in seven years, are in a group along with europa league—winners sevilla. celtic are in group e with atletico madrid. but by far the trickiest group is group f, where newcastle will face paris saint—germain, borussia dortmund and ac milan. good for newcastle fans, though. meanwhile, three british clubs are in european action tonight. aberdeen lost to swedish side bk haken in their europa league qualifying play—off second leg, 5—3 on aggregate. more on that in just a moment. in the europa conference league play—offs, aston villa extended their lead over hibernian to 3—0 on the night, 8—0 on aggregate. while hearts�* hopes of reaching the group stages for the second season in a row are over. paok thrashed them 4—0 earlier.

6—1 on aggregate. so it looks like aberdeen won't be progressing to the europa league group stage. ibrahim sadiq scored twice in first half for the clinical swedish champions. boyan miovski pulled one back with a penalty for aberdeen, but amor lyouni has extended the lead again. speaking at the champions league draw earlier, england women's head coach sarina wiegman has dedicated her uefa women's coach of the year award to spain, saying they "deserve to be listened to". spanish football federation president luis rubiales has been widely criticised for kissing forward jenni hermoso on the lips following spain's world cup victory over england. we all know the issues around the spanish team, and it really hurts me as a coach, as a mother of two daughters, as a wife and as a human

being. and it shows, wejust talked about 88, the game is grown so much but there is also still a long way to go in women's football and society. and i would like to dedicate this award to the spanish team, the team that played in the world cup such great football that everyone enjoyed it. uefa president aleksander ceferin has described the behaviour of rubiales as "inappropriate", but he's called for fifa's investigation to be allowed to run its course. a video has since emerged of hermoso and her team—mates laughing and discussing the kiss on the team bus following the game, but chelsea women's manager emma hayes says such a reaction isn't unnatural. we all do lots of different things in shock, one. and, two, i don't look at it like that. i look at a group of women where it's almost been normalised for them. i think finding a smile is something that is quite shocking reveals an awful lot about the situation rather than the person.

i think for someone like jenni hermoso, you could see in her interview directly after the game she was completely uncomfortable, but no—one has been listening to them for such a long period of time. now to the us open, where it's been a mixed day for the brits at flushing meadows. andy murray, who won here in 2012, has been knocked out in the second round after losing in straight sets 6—3, 6—4, 6—1to19th—seed grigor dimitrov. murray has not reached the last 16 of a major since resuming his career after hip surgery in 2019. jack draper is through to the third round after a stunning victory over number 17—seed hubert hurcaz, 6—2, 6—4, 7—5. draper missed wimbledon through injury but now looks back to his best at flushing meadows. cam norrie has won the first set of his match

against hsu yu—hsiou of taiwan, 7—5. it's currently 3—0 to the british player in the second, so he looks to be cruising at this point. while britain's women's number one katie boulter said she had to "dig deep" to fight back and beat china's wong yafin 5—7, 6—1, 6—4. it means she has reached the third round of the us open for the first time, where she'll meet american world number 59 peyton stearns on saturday. and that's all the sport for now. hello there. low pressure and its weather fronts brought a rather cloudy, damp day to many central, southern and western parts of the uk. quite a bit of sunshine, though, across scotland and north—east england. as we head into friday, this area of low pressure will be weakening, fizzling out and conditions will be improving. as we head into the weekend, into next week, high pressure will bring dry, sunny, warm weather for many of us. so these weather fronts, then, continue to bring outbreaks of rain

through the evening and overnight. we could see an area of thundery rain move through the channel. may just graze southern counties of england. certainly wet nights in store for the channel islands. further north, rather cloudy with some patchy light rain and drizzle. quite a mild night in the south, but under clear skies in scotland, it'll be quite chilly. so, for friday, we start off with plenty of sunshine across most of scotland. southern scotland, northern ireland, northern england will see this weakening weather front, some spots of rain on it. it'll also be brightening up across other parts of england and wales through the afternoon. some sunshine, also a few showers on the heavy side in places, and feeling warmer, up to 22 degrees. as we move through friday night, that weather front across central areas will continue to fizzle out. clouds break up, and we'll see increasing clear skies. but that way leads to mist and fog to develop by dawn, certainly across parts of england, wales, into northern ireland. a mild night to come again first thing saturday, but it's not going to be quite as much as what we'll expect tonight. weekend, then, is looking dry, sunny and warm thanks to high

pressure building in. there mayjust be the odd shower, and we will see these weather fronts just flirting with the far north of scotland. 0therwise, most places will be fine and settled. we do start, though, with the mist and fog, some low cloud through saturday morning. and then that will tend to lift and burn away, and we should see plenty of sunshine. could develop into just the odd isolated shower across england and wales, but most places will be dry. it'll feel warmer — up to 23 degrees in the south, 20 degrees through central and eastern scotland. sunday, we do it all again. again, some early mist and fog. that'll clear to plenty of sunshine. this weather front will bring some wetter and breezier weather to the north and west of scotland. 18 degrees there for stornoway, but warmer further south. 24—25 degrees across some central and southern areas. and that fine, dry, sunny, warm weather continues for the upcoming week, but towards the end of the week, we'll start to see some showers moving in off the atlantic. take care.

tonight at ten — more than 150 schools in england are affected by safety fears that could delay the start of the new term. scores of schools have been told children must be moved out of buildings identified as containing a type of concrete prone to collapse. we'll look at why this announcement has come just days before kids return and what parents should do

now. also coming up on tonight's programme... more than 70 people, including a dozen children, have been killed in a fire injohannesburg. it's thought a locked gate prevented victims escaping. the death of ten—year old sara sharif — police in pakistan say a formal request to investigate came five days after her body was discovered. commentator: fantastic, i what a win for katie boulter. and on an action—packed day at the us open, katie boulter leads the british charge. 0n bbc london — police chiefs will get new powers to sack officers. and campaigners say delays at a vital women's health service is leaving them in agony. good evening.

more than 150 schools in england have been told by the government