take them match except you cannot take them match any details, but does he know the number of any individuals who might be of concern and may need to be moved to a different location, given the events of yesterday? on the broader investigation, madam deputy speaker, i know to the secretary of state has ordered a further investigation. can you say anything today in his response to me, in relation to the terms of reference for such an investigation, and what he envisages for the timescale for that longer, fuller investigation. and on the matter of independence, can he give us some in assurance as to whether he will make sure that it will be a case of him and other people responsible for this failure ultimately, marking their own homework. what consideration has given to the independence and identity of who might be carrying out that investigation for him? the developments of the last 2a hours have shown is let another example of the conservative mismanagement that is meant they are unable to run

busways of the public realm, whether it be schools, threatening our children's educational learning, and now, with a terror suspect on the loose. ultimately, would of the main functions of government is to keep its citizens safe, and on his watch, courts are in crisis, madam deputy speaker, probation is in crisis, the cps is in crisis, and prisons are in crisis. so, finally, when will the secretary of state get a grip? secretary of state get a grip? secretary of state get a grip? secretary of state. you might thank you, madam deputy speaker. can i begin— you, madam deputy speaker. can i begin by— you, madam deputy speaker. can i begin by welcoming the right honourable lady to her place. | begin by welcoming the right honourable lady to her place. i will t to honourable lady to her place. i will try to address _ honourable lady to her place. i will try to address the _ honourable lady to her place. i will try to address the point _ honourable lady to her place. iv" ll try to address the point that honourable lady to her place. iw ll try to address the point that she raises. it is important to say that i was pleased to hear her remarks about not wanting to prejudice a future trial. escape is a criminal offence, so we do need to give that in mind. she asks about whether there will be inquiries into stop on duty and the quality of training. absolutely. that is precisely what i have asked to take place. she asked about whether there is additional expertise in place. yes, and that is

also done my already in place in wandsworth at the moment, assisting with the investigation. as i indicated in my opening remarks, i want to know who was on duty in the kitchens, he was on duty at the gates, what was the protocol in place, and was it applied? if it wasn't applied, why wasn't it applied? these are other questions i have asked, and she can be assured they will be answered. as part of they will be answered. as part of the tiny, i have indicated i want to have the preliminary answers on my desk by the end of this week, and i will then be made to be able to make a decision considering all the relevant information about what can be put into the public domain. —— as far as the be put into the public domain. —— as faras the timing. be put into the public domain. —— as far as the timing. you have to proceed carefully and on the basis of the evidence. i say this because she raised a question that was factually incorrect. she said, why was he moved from belmarsh? he was neverin was he moved from belmarsh? he was never in belmarsh. and with respect, it is important that we don't proceed on the basis of misinformation, so i can make that point clear. so, i absolutely

understand the proper public interest and the proper points that have been raised. that is fine. but if she needs to ask any questions in detail, she has my number and she can call. let me also say, on the issue of who is held in a category b estate. that is exactly what i have asked the inquiry i have asked to take place. in respect of wandsworth, i think she is in fact, no discourtesy, she may be has misunderstood what i have said in terms of the means of an inquiry, it is not about the facts of the amount of prisoners in wandsworth, it is about are the right people in wandsworth, and others once were prisoners, should they be there or elsewhere? that is what needs to be answered. as for the independence of the investigation, that is of course right, and that is precisely why we have ordered it. so, in summary, the position is this. this is a grave incident, she is right about that.

plenty of points he raises are perfectly legitimate, and we will get answers as quickly as possible. -- 20 get answers as quickly as possible. —— 20 point she raises. but we do need to proceed on the basis of the evidence, coolly and calmly, so that when he is caught, you will be brought tojustice and when he is caught, you will be brought to justice and justice will be done. brought to “ustice and “ustice will be done. . ~ brought to “ustice and “ustice will be done. ., ~ i. brought to “ustice and “ustice will be done. . ~' ., brought to “ustice and “ustice will bedone. ., ., ,, , be done. thank you, madam deputy seaker. be done. thank you, madam deputy speaker- can _ be done. thank you, madam deputy speaker- can i _ be done. thank you, madam deputy speaker. can i think— be done. thank you, madam deputy speaker. can i think the _ be done. thank you, madam deputy speaker. can i think the secretary . speaker. can i think the secretary of state bought his statement, and the courtesy are giving notice for it. but actually, for the thoroughness and care with which he has characteristically approached this matter. it clearly is going into detail carefully, and in a measure of passion, which is the right approach. i congratulate and welcome the shadow secretary of state to her post to. the secretary of state has accepted that the fully independent element and thejustice committee has more than once referred to the need to avoid the prison service marking its own homework. will he be able to mind that regard, the work that has already been done by the chief secretary of the prisons and information, in writing to wandsworth and other prisons, you

have your i hide that they can unveil themselves in terms of those. and i hope that the wider inquiry in terms of the present situation. on the face of it, where there has been a significant improvement negate security, the failure of gate security, the failure of gate security on this occasion is more is more and more alarming. —— of gate security. it is matter of record that there is an issue of stopping at once were, and an issue across the prison service were retaining experienced staff. we have a large number of comparatively inexperienced. evidence submitted to the justice committee inexperienced. evidence submitted to thejustice committee inquiry of this workforce demonstrates concern that there was of the training in some establishments. will he make sure those are fully taken on bird as part of the serious review of prison workforce on the back of this? ,, . ., , ., ,, ., prison workforce on the back of this?_ are i prison workforce on the back of- this?_ are unable this? secretary of state. are unable rint is this? secretary of state. are unable print is absolutely _ this? secretary of state. are unable print is absolutely right _ this? secretary of state. are unable print is absolutely right to _ this? secretary of state. are unable print is absolutely right to draw - print is absolutely right to draw attention to these matters. as i've indicated, the inquiry must take its course, and the issue of staffing will no doubt be considered. —— are honourable friend. we can't go into a huge amount of detail, but what i can't say for is that in all

prisons, staff take on different roles, and on that specific issue of stopping at the security end of the prison, the positions were staffed via security posts that were occupied. the question is whether protocol is applied, and if people do what is expected of them of this protocol is? that is something we need to get to the bottom of very urgently indeed. emf need to get to the bottom of very urgently indeed. smp spokesperson richard thomson. _ urgently indeed. smp spokesperson richard thomson. thank _ urgently indeed. smp spokesperson richard thomson. thank you - urgently indeed. smp spokesperson | richard thomson. thank you madam de - u richard thomson. thank you madam deputy speaker- _ richard thomson. thank you madam deputy speaker. can _ richard thomson. thank you madam deputy speaker. can i— richard thomson. thank you madam deputy speaker. can i thank- richard thomson. thank you madam deputy speaker. can i thank the - deputy speaker. can i thank the ministerfor advance deputy speaker. can i thank the minister for advance site abyss statement, and my hopes that daniel khalife will soon return to his customary. —— of his statement. i think there are a more immediate questions that arrive, which are that daniel khalife have been believed to pose long risk to members of the public, but was gleeful to resent the considerable potential risk to his service colleagues as well and for national security. —— was clearly opposed to

present. i think it is surprising he was under category b positions, rather than category a poor trial. at what i think is extraordinary is that the prison service raised concerns last year about measures in place at once were to present escapes, afterfinding place at once were to present escapes, after finding what they consider to be potential shortcomings in physical aspects of security locally on site. it was also quite alarming to hear the former head of security on the radio this morning saying that on any given day, some 30 to 40% of front line staff were unavailable for duty. at the prison. now, the prison officers' association has highlighted some £900 million has been stripped out of the prison budgets in england and wales since 2010, which is going to be more prisons thanjust once 2010, which is going to be more prisons than just once were overcrowded and under resourced. so, can i ask the minister, the prison officers' association's national che this morning has today called for an urgent review of how prisons across england and wales have been run. ——

national chair. i appreciate that the minister has announced two separate strands of inquiry from the dispatch box, which i be welcome. but would he expand the scope for that inquiry, into how prisons across england and wales are run in light of these concerns that inquiry, into how prisons across england and wales are run in light of these concerns the type and raise? yes, that is the uk'sjustice secretary, alex chalk. answering questions from members of parliament about the escape of daniel khalife, from wandsworth prison. he said that daniel khalife will be courts, and he gave an account of what is believed to have been happen. he said that was not likely escaped around 730 on wednesday morning. he also announced an urgent investigations into what happened, and an initial one to first find out how the prisoner escapes, he was on duty, how many people were on duty, and whether any protocols had been

breached? and he then went on to talk about another review, which would look at the wider prisoner population in wandsworth. you said that they would need to find out who was placed at the institution, and whether the right people were there, and whether they should be put in other detention facilities. he also talked about a review into the location of everyone charged with terrorism charges. here in the uk. and obviously, there were questions from the opposition there in the houses of parliament, and the secretary of state, shadow secretary of state, forjustice, shabana bakhmut, really questioned whether the minister on what happened, and how daniel khalife actually left prison. —— information on what happened. to get more on this, let's turn to peter black's lee. can i just ask what you made of the

minister statement there. there is one thing that _ minister statement there. there is one thing that leapt _ minister statement there. there is one thing that leapt out _ minister statement there. there is one thing that leapt out of - minister statement there. there is one thing that leapt out of the - one thing that leapt out of the statement to me, and that is the strapping that had been found under the van when the police stopped him. strapping means one thing, planning. how did this prisoner plan this escape, the source strapping, in order to build himself to the bottom of this band. this must have taken some considerable degree planning, and wasn't, i would strongly suggest, something thatjust occurred on the spur of the moment. —— bought himself to the bottom of this man. very, extremely serious questions need to be asked at hmp wandsworth. the questions need to be asked at hmp wandsworth-— wandsworth. the minister there is talkinu wandsworth. the minister there is talking about _ wandsworth. the minister there is talking about reviews _ wandsworth. the minister there is talking about reviews into - wandsworth. the minister there is l talking about reviews into protocols as the prisons, and perhaps he was on duty. with the help of the current investigation and the manhunt?— current investigation and the manhunt? ., . ., ., ., , manhunt? correct language that help. it will manhunt? correct language that help. it will certainly — manhunt? correct language that help. it will certainly help _ manhunt? correct language that help. it will certainly help with _ manhunt? correct language that help. it will certainly help with holding -

it will certainly help with holding people to account, i would imagine, because in prisons, for example, —— would that help. prisoners are given to hair free bed would that help. prisoners are given to hairfree bed linen, so that they can't tear the sheets into strips, and do harm to themselves. like hanging themselves. —— tear free bed. there are lots of preventative measures, so i would like to know what these chaps were made of, how they were obtained, because this is going to give you a real insight, potentially into far deeper floors and problems that exist at this prison. —— how these straps were obtained. was this some elements of outside influence planning in this escape? strapping means planning. thank you very much. the former detective showing his thoughts on the minister's statement. i am now joined by tom hill, a former prisons

officer. there are real questions about what the officers there at wandsworth prison were doing. are you concerned about possible breaches, or even further breaches at institutions like wandsworth prison? ,., ., at institutions like wandsworth prison? ., ., �* prison? good morning, catherine. i'm busily concerned _ prison? good morning, catherine. i'm busily concerned of— prison? good morning, catherine. i'm busily concerned of a _ prison? good morning, catherine. i'm busily concerned of a prisoner- busily concerned of a prisoner escape, especially a terrorist. but my main question would be, and it was touched on in the house, why was a terrorist prisoner held in category b conditions. he should surely have been and a category a establishment. there are experts on stopping people escape, and that is why there are seven maximum security disposal prisons were built around the country. he shouldn't have been in a local cat to be present such as wandsworth. find in a local cat to be present such as wandsworth-— in a local cat to be present such as wandsworth. �* ., , ., , wandsworth. and there are questions about possible _ wandsworth. and there are questions about possible understaffing - wandsworth. and there are questions about possible understaffing at - wandsworth. and there are questions about possible understaffing at the i about possible understaffing at the facilities. that is something you have noticed during your time as a prison officer. fill. have noticed during your time as a prison officer-—

prison officer. oh, yes. the prison service is in _ prison officer. oh, yes. the prison service is in crisis, _ prison officer. oh, yes. the prison service is in crisis, and _ prison officer. oh, yes. the prison service is in crisis, and we - prison officer. oh, yes. the prison service is in crisis, and we are - prison officer. oh, yes. the prison service is in crisis, and we are not| service is in crisis, and we are not just talking wandsworth here, we are talking england and wales. there is understaffing, there is no staff retention. the prison service lead up retention. the prison service lead up experienced staff, like myself, over the last 20 years. swathes of staff have left the prison service, due to poor conditions, poorer pay, poorer pensions, and that is reflected in the job they are doing. do you think there is the possibility that, obviously, we will have to wait for investigations into what happened, and weather may be some prison officers should be held to account, but do you think that the prison service really are the people responsible for what happened?— people responsible for what ha ened? ., ., happened? higher management in the rison happened? higher management in the prison service. — happened? higher management in the prison service, let's _ happened? higher management in the prison service, let's be _ happened? higher management in the prison service, let's be fair, _ happened? higher management in the prison service, let's be fair, we - prison service, let's be fair, we are not robots, we are all human beings. and people will be held accountable. but as i said earlier,

and i think that really, firstly, we should be looking at where this prisoner, terrorist, held in the first place. prisoner, terrorist, held in the first place-— prisoner, terrorist, held in the first lace. . ~ , . first place. thank you very much. that is the _ first place. thank you very much. that is the former _ first place. thank you very much. that is the former prison - first place. thank you very much. that is the former prison officer, | that is the former prison officer, tom hill. —— a former prison officer. you are watching bbc news. once again, we have been bringing you live statement from the house of commons, where thejustice secretary, alex chalk, was updating members of parliament on this incident with the prison escape from wandsworth prison. just a point due to the bbc website, bbc news dot—com, where we have a live page running with all the updates on this fast moving story. —— just to point you to. we have our correspondence outside wandsworth prison, and also in westminster. you are watching bbc news.

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