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after escaping from wandsworth prison strapped to a food lorry. what are the consequences for the prison service, and ultimately for the government? the chief inspector of prisons says wandsworth prison should be shut down, but is the problem greater than just one prison? i have been working at wandsworth for years and used to have big, bulky and experienced officers but those guys have been replaced by young men who look like kids

and don't really know what they're doing. they ask prisoners what time should i let them out. it's a joke, i'm surprised people don't escape all the time. we'll be speaking to a former chief inspector of prisons, the president of the prison governors association and to a former armed robber who spent several years in wandsworth and is now a writer. also tonight, sima will be here with the outcome of a newsnight investigation. five former metropolitan police officers have pleaded guilty to sending racist whatsapp messages after we exposed their behaviour. and india gets ready for the g20. will the global south pursuade the north to foot the bill for climate change as the price for not burning coal? we will bejoined we will be joined by nigel topping who sits on the climate change committee and senior climate negotiation for the democratic republic of congo. good evening.

tonight, 39 hours after daniel khalife escaped from wandsworth prison in london, in a food service van, in the capital with more surveillance cameras than any other in the west, the 21—year—old former soldier, accused of trying to gather information for iran, is still free and undetected. the head of the met�*s counterterrorism command said that it was "perhaps a testament to daniel khalife's ingenuity that he has not been spotted." but what is his escape due to? should the prisoner charged with offences under both the terrorism act and the official secrets act have been in wandsworth prison — a second tier of security — in the first place? how did the van, with khalife strapped underneath, sail out of the prison gates? tonight we'll be examining this massive fail, and discuss claims of about both understaffing and a lack of training in the prison estate, but first here's sima. i have been working at wandsworth for years and used to have big, bulky and experienced officers but those guys have been replaced by young men who look like kids

and don't really know what they're doing. they ask prisoners what they should be doing, like, what time should i let them out and stuff. it's a joke, i'm surprised people don't escape all the time. a prison officer working in wandsworth prison, speaking on condition of anonymity, speaking because he feels it has all got too much. something like this happens and everybody talks about us but then it is forgotten again. prisons need to focus because they are at a creaking point. today the police remain on high alert as they look for 21—year—old daniel khalife, the former soldier who escaped from wandsworth yesterday after strapping himself to the underside of a food delivery van. we know that he was on remand here, awaiting trial, accused of leaving a fake bomb at a military base. penal reform groups have often criticised prisons in england for being understaffed and overcrowded. rishi sunak says there are 4000 more prison officers now than there were in 2017 but looking at the data, we can see

that there are almost 10% fewer prison officers today than there were at the end of march in 2010. the remand prison population in late 2022 was the highest for at least 50 years. the criminal bar association says it is mostly down to court backlogs. the justice select committee has said it is all putting further pressure on the system. new freedom of information data obtained by newsnight and the charity fair trials shows at least 150 people have been held on remand awaiting trial for five years or longer. it also shows a further 110 people have been held for between three and five years. 65 have been held between three and four years. and 45 have been held between four and five. cells which were made for one hold two. stewart was a prison officer for 30 years. he says it has got harder

forjails to retain staff. when ijoined, like i said previously, it was a career for life. now, when they're recruiting people, theyjust seem to come in for a couple of years and then leave so the turnover of staff it's absolutely phenomenal. i mean, you know, years and years ago, you had to do four years working with prisoners before you even considered for promotion. and now you can join the job, six months, you can be promoted, and these new staff are learning the trades off of new staff. so there is no experience. because they have just decimated the old staff. the government has ordered a formal investigation to find out exactly how he managed to escape. no stone must be left unturned in getting to the bottom of what happened. who was on duty that morning?

in what roles? ranging from the kitchen to the prison gate. what protocols were in place? were they followed ? daniel khalife is not the first prisoner to escape jail. the government says it is investing in the sector but as the search tonight seemingly failed to make progress, questions around this story continue. was there negligence? is the escape of the result of a system under pressure? and could similar incidents happen again? and now'rejoined by nick hardwick, the former chief inspector of prisons, andrea albutt, president of the prison governors association, and noel "razor" smith, a former inmate at wandsworth prison. thank you forjoining us. nick hardwick, how serious is this the whole prison service and indeed the government? i whole prison service and indeed the government?— government? i think this is a very serious incident _ government? i think this is a very serious incident indeed _ government? i think this is a very serious incident indeed because l serious incident indeed because whatever went wrong at wandsworth

prison, it is clearly a symptom of a much wider crisis, i think is the right word, in the prison system as a whole that ministers have been warned about repeatedly but, frankly, the action they have taken has been too little, too late. so this is a reflection on the system as a whole and the policy and strategy that has failed over a number of years.— strategy that has failed over a number of years. strategy that has failed over a number of ears. ., ., ., ., number of years. how have we got to a situation where _ number of years. how have we got to a situation where wandsworth - number of years. how have we got to a situation where wandsworth has - a situation where wandsworth has almost double the inmates it should have prisoners are often locked up for 22 hours? we know they are 30-40% for 22 hours? we know they are 30—a0% down on prison officer numbers. your success but one, charlie taylor, who is presently in your role, says in an ideal world would close wandsworth but how can the public have faith in the prison system if the chief inspector of prisons says wandsworth should be close? i prisons says wandsworth should be close? ~ �* , , prisons says wandsworth should be close? ~ 3 , ' . close? i think it's very difficult for the public _ close? i think it's very difficult for the public to _ close? i think it's very difficult for the public to have - close? i think it's very difficult for the public to have faith - close? i think it's very difficult for the public to have faith in i close? i think it's very difficult i for the public to have faith in the prison system. and what we have

recklessly done is push up the prison population without putting in place the resources to manage that. so far from making place the resources to manage that. so farfrom making us place the resources to manage that. so far from making us safer, place the resources to manage that. so farfrom making us safer, it place the resources to manage that. so far from making us safer, it has made us less safe. is not merely that staff in the long term have been cut in any case, they have huge absences the staff in post, it's that the staff that are there simply lack experience, they have lost the most experienced staff. so that means, what you don't have is the seasoned prison officer who knows the prisoners, the prisoners know him or her, and so you get a sense that someone is behaving a bit oddly today, they are a bit tense, there is a mood amongst the men, and prisoners have enough confidence in an officer to say, look, there's something going to kick off, you might have to look at this or that. there are so many questions this

raises. andrea albutt, khalife was charged with terrorism. what was he doing in wandsworth in the first place, do you think? i’m doing in wandsworth in the first place, do you think?— doing in wandsworth in the first place, do you think? i'm unable to answer that _ place, do you think? i'm unable to answer that question. _ place, do you think? i'm unable to answer that question. what - place, do you think? i'm unable to answer that question. what i'm i answer that question. what i'm broadly saying _ answer that question. what i'm broadly saying is, _ answer that question. what i'm broadly saying is, is _ answer that question. what i'm broadly saying is, is there - answer that question. what i'm broadly saying is, is there a - broadly saying is, is there a problem with the estate in terms of finding places to put people? i don't know, i completely talk about him but _ don't know, i completely talk about him but what i can say is that the prison— him but what i can say is that the prison estate is full to absolute capacity — prison estate is full to absolute capacity. we have a prison population that is over 87,000, the capacity— population that is over 87,000, the capacity building programme cannot keep up— capacity building programme cannot keep up with the increasing population and thisjust keep up with the increasing population and this just adds to the stress _ population and this just adds to the stress of— population and this just adds to the stress of the system is feeling. and do ou stress of the system is feeling. situc do you recognise stress of the system is feeling. fific do you recognise what stress of the system is feeling. e'"ic do you recognise what a stress of the system is feeling. el"ic do you recognise what a contributor was saying that years ago you would have a massive amount of training before you even went to the jail and were on a landing, and you would have prison officers with at least four years experience on every hall? now you have people from officers

going into have to ask the prisoners what the rules are.— what the rules are. yes, we have a real issue — what the rules are. yes, we have a real issue with _ what the rules are. yes, we have a real issue with the _ what the rules are. yes, we have a real issue with the learning - what the rules are. yes, we have a real issue with the learning and - real issue with the learning and development of our prison officers. because _ development of our prison officers. because many of our prisons are understaffed, we are not able to release — understaffed, we are not able to release them to be developed, to go on training, — release them to be developed, to go on training, because we need them in the prison— on training, because we need them in the prison to — on training, because we need them in the prison to deliver in lots of places— the prison to deliver in lots of places very emitted regimes. also come _ places very emitted regimes. also come when we recruit prison officers. _ come when we recruit prison officers. it— come when we recruit prison officers, it is done centrally, not within— officers, it is done centrally, not within each— officers, it is done centrally, not within each present... officers, it is done centrally, not within each present. . ._ officers, it is done centrally, not within each present... prefer the governors _ within each present... prefer the governors or _ within each present... prefer the governors or people _ within each present... prefer the governors or people in _ within each present... prefer the governors or people in the - within each present... prefer the | governors or people in the prison able to recruit their own staff? fiur able to recruit their own staff? our members say _ able to recruit their own staff? our members say to — able to recruit their own staff? our members say to us they'd like to be involved _ members say to us they'd like to be involved in— members say to us they'd like to be involved in the recruitment process. nial involved in the recruitment process. niai smith, — involved in the recruitment process. nial smith, can i get a sense, you were in wandsworth, are you surprised at this escape? irlat surprised at this escape? not reall , surprised at this escape? not really. no. — surprised at this escape? not really, no, because right back to ronnie _ really, no, because right back to ronnie biggs— really, no, because right back to ronnie biggs in— really, no, because right back to ronnie biggs in 1966, _ really, no, because right back to l ronnie biggs in 1966, wandsworth really, no, because right back to - ronnie biggs in 1966, wandsworth has always— ronnie biggs in 1966, wandsworth has always been— ronnie biggs in 1966, wandsworth has always been one — ronnie biggs in 1966, wandsworth has always been one of— ronnie biggs in 1966, wandsworth has always been one of those _ ronnie biggs in 1966, wandsworth has

always been one of those present- ronnie biggs in 1966, wandsworth has always been one of those present you i always been one of those present you could escape — always been one of those present you could escape from, _ always been one of those present you could escape from, it _ always been one of those present you could escape from, it has _ always been one of those present you could escape from, it has been - could escape from, it has been known — could escape from, it has been known its— could escape from, it has been known. it's not— could escape from, it has been known. it's not easy _ could escape from, it has been known. it's not easy but - could escape from, it has been known. it's not easy but you i could escape from, it has been i known. it's not easy but you could do it _ known. it's not easy but you could do it if— known. it's not easy but you could do it if you — known. it's not easy but you could do it if you wanted _ known. it's not easy but you could do it if you wanted to. _ known. it's not easy but you could do it if you wanted to. what - known. it's not easy but you could do it if you wanted to. what i - known. it's not easy but you could do it if you wanted to. what i am. do it if you wanted to. what i am surprised — do it if you wanted to. what i am surprised about _ do it if you wanted to. what i am surprised about is _ do it if you wanted to. what i am surprised about is that _ do it if you wanted to. what i am surprised about is that he - do it if you wanted to. what i am surprised about is that he was i surprised about is that he was actually— surprised about is that he was actually in _ surprised about is that he was actually in wandsworth - surprised about is that he was actually in wandsworth prisonj actually in wandsworth prison because — actually in wandsworth prison because if— actually in wandsworth prison because if you _ actually in wandsworth prison because if you are _ actually in wandsworth prison because if you are charged . actually in wandsworth prison i because if you are charged with terrorism — because if you are charged with terrorism offences— because if you are charged with terrorism offences and - because if you are charged with terrorism offences and you - because if you are charged with| terrorism offences and you have because if you are charged with - terrorism offences and you have been trained _ terrorism offences and you have been trained in _ terrorism offences and you have been trained in the — terrorism offences and you have been trained in the armed _ terrorism offences and you have been trained in the armed forces - terrorism offences and you have been trained in the armed forces as - terrorism offences and you have been trained in the armed forces as well, i trained in the armed forces as well, you would _ trained in the armed forces as well, you would almost _ trained in the armed forces as well, you would almost certainly- trained in the armed forces as well, you would almost certainly becomel trained in the armed forces as well, | you would almost certainly become a category _ you would almost certainly become a category a— you would almost certainly become a category a prison _ you would almost certainly become a category a prison and _ you would almost certainly become a category a prison and placed - you would almost certainly become a category a prison and placed in - category a prison and placed in beimarsh — category a prison and placed in beimarsh in _ category a prison and placed in belmarsh in the _ category a prison and placed in belmarsh in the unit _ category a prison and placed in belmarsh in the unit which - category a prison and placed in belmarsh in the unit which wasj belmarsh in the unit which was specifically— belmarsh in the unit which was specifically built _ belmarsh in the unit which was specifically built for— belmarsh in the unit which was specifically built for prisoners i specifically built for prisoners like that _ specifically built for prisoners like that. and _ specifically built for prisoners like that. and another- specifically built for prisoners like that. and another thing i specifically built for prisoners i like that. and another thing is, getting — like that. and another thing is, getting to _ like that. and another thing is, getting to a _ like that. and another thing is, getting to a category _ like that. and another thing is, getting to a category b - like that. and another thing is, getting to a category b with . like that. and another thing is, j getting to a category b with his charges, — getting to a category b with his charges, even_ getting to a category b with his charges, even though - getting to a category b with his charges, even though i- getting to a category b with his charges, even though i have i getting to a category b with his charges, even though i have toj getting to a category b with his - charges, even though i have to say he has _ charges, even though i have to say he has not — charges, even though i have to say he has not been _ charges, even though i have to say he has not been found _ charges, even though i have to say he has not been found guilty- charges, even though i have to say he has not been found guilty of- he has not been found guilty of anything — he has not been found guilty of anything yet. _ he has not been found guilty of anything yet. but _ he has not been found guilty of anything yet, but getting - he has not been found guilty of anything yet, but getting to - anything yet, but getting to category— anything yet, but getting to category b— anything yet, but getting to category b is _ anything yet, but getting to category b is quite - anything yet, but getting to category b is quite an - anything yet, but getting to - category b is quite an achievement but getting — category b is quite an achievement but getting into _ category b is quite an achievement but getting into the _ category b is quite an achievement but getting into the actual- but getting into the actual kitchens. _ but getting into the actual kitchens, you _ but getting into the actual kitchens, you had - but getting into the actual kitchens, you had to - but getting into the actual kitchens, you had to pass| but getting into the actual. kitchens, you had to pass a but getting into the actual- kitchens, you had to pass a further security— kitchens, you had to pass a further security risk— kitchens, you had to pass a further security risk check— kitchens, you had to pass a further security risk check in _ kitchens, you had to pass a further security risk check in order - kitchens, you had to pass a further security risk check in order to - kitchens, you had to pass a further security risk check in order to get i security risk check in order to get in the _ security risk check in order to get in the kitchens _ security risk check in order to get in the kitchens because - security risk check in order to get in the kitchens because they're . security risk check in order to get i in the kitchens because they're full of knives _ in the kitchens because they're full of knives and — in the kitchens because they're full of knives and weapons. _ in the kitchens because they're full of knives and weapons. so - in the kitchens because they're full of knives and weapons.— of knives and weapons. so you're sa ini of knives and weapons. so you're saying that _ of knives and weapons. so you're saying that before _ of knives and weapons. so you're saying that before he _ of knives and weapons. so you're saying that before he even - of knives and weapons. so you're saying that before he even got i of knives and weapons. so you're i saying that before he even got into the kitchen, he should not be in the prison anyway, but he must have either been given a security check what there wasn't enough people to deliver it? , �* , ,

deliver it? yes, i'm guessing there ma not deliver it? yes, i'm guessing there may not have _ deliver it? yes, i'm guessing there may not have been _ deliver it? yes, i'm guessing there may not have been enough - deliver it? yes, i'm guessing there| may not have been enough people, same _ may not have been enough people, same as— may not have been enough people, same as they— may not have been enough people, same as they may— may not have been enough people, same as they may not _ may not have been enough people, same as they may not have - may not have been enough people, same as they may not have been i same as they may not have been enough _ same as they may not have been enough staff— same as they may not have been enough staff to _ same as they may not have been enough staff to actually - same as they may not have been enough staff to actually run - same as they may not have been enough staff to actually run the i enough staff to actually run the mirrors — enough staff to actually run the mirrors under— enough staff to actually run the mirrors under the _ enough staff to actually run the mirrors under the vehicles - enough staff to actually run the i mirrors under the vehicles come in and out _ mirrors under the vehicles come in and out of— mirrors under the vehicles come in and out of the _ mirrors under the vehicles come in and out of the prison _ mirrors under the vehicles come in and out of the prison which - mirrors under the vehicles come in and out of the prison which is - mirrors under the vehicles come in and out of the prison which is a - and out of the prison which is a must _ and out of the prison which is a must in — and out of the prison which is a must in every— and out of the prison which is a must in every prison. - and out of the prison which is a must in every prison. so - and out of the prison which is a must in every prison.— and out of the prison which is a must in every prison. so every food vehicle that — must in every prison. so every food vehicle that comes _ must in every prison. so every food vehicle that comes in, _ must in every prison. so every food vehicle that comes in, but - must in every prison. so every food vehicle that comes in, but there - must in every prison. so every food vehicle that comes in, but there is l vehicle that comes in, but there is familiarity, and he might have been in the kitchens for some time. i{finite in the kitchens for some time. quite robabl in the kitchens for some time. quite probably and — in the kitchens for some time. quite probably and he _ in the kitchens for some time. quite probably and he probably _ in the kitchens for some time. quite probably and he probably saw his chance. — probably and he probably saw his chance. saw— probably and he probably saw his chance, saw an _ probably and he probably saw his chance, saw an escape _ probably and he probably saw his chance, saw an escape was - probably and he probably saw his i chance, saw an escape was possible from the _ chance, saw an escape was possible from the end — chance, saw an escape was possible from the end i— chance, saw an escape was possible from the end i should _ chance, saw an escape was possible from the end i should guess- chance, saw an escape was possible from the end i should guess he - from the end i should guess he didn't— from the end i should guess he didn't do— from the end i should guess he didn't do it _ from the end i should guess he didn't do it on _ from the end i should guess he didn't do it on the _ from the end i should guess he didn't do it on the spur- from the end i should guess he didn't do it on the spur of- from the end i should guess he didn't do it on the spur of the l didn't do it on the spur of the moment. _ didn't do it on the spur of the moment. he _ didn't do it on the spur of the moment, he has— didn't do it on the spur of the moment, he has obviously. didn't do it on the spur of the - moment, he has obviously planned it for a couple — moment, he has obviously planned it for a couple of— moment, he has obviously planned it for a couple of weeks _ moment, he has obviously planned it for a couple of weeks or— moment, he has obviously planned it for a couple of weeks or something l for a couple of weeks or something and made — for a couple of weeks or something and made his— for a couple of weeks or something and made his move _ for a couple of weeks or something and made his move when - for a couple of weeks or something and made his move when he - for a couple of weeks or something and made his move when he was . for a couple of weeks or something - and made his move when he was ready. and although _ and made his move when he was ready. and although the — and made his move when he was ready. and although the escape _ and made his move when he was ready. and although the escape does - and made his move when he was ready. and although the escape does not - and although the escape does not surprise you, are you surprised that he has not been apprehended? ida. surprise you, are you surprised that he has not been apprehended? no, i'm not reall . he has not been apprehended? no, i'm not really- l _ he has not been apprehended? no, i'm not really. i tell— he has not been apprehended? no, i'm not really. i tell you _ he has not been apprehended? no, i'm not really. i tell you another— he has not been apprehended? no, i'm not really. i tell you another thing - not really. i tell you another thing that surprises _ not really. i tell you another thing that surprises me, _ not really. i tell you another thing that surprises me, that _ not really. i tell you another thing that surprises me, that the - not really. i tell you another thing that surprises me, that the policej that surprises me, that the police did not— that surprises me, that the police did not make _ that surprises me, that the police did not make it— that surprises me, that the police did not make it a _ that surprises me, that the police did not make it a category- that surprises me, that the police did not make it a category a - did not make it a category a prisoner— did not make it a category a prisoner but _ did not make it a category a prisoner but any _ did not make it a category a prisoner but any other- did not make it a category ai prisoner but any other prison escapees. _ prisoner but any other prison escapees. if— prisoner but any other prison escapees, if an _ prisoner but any other prison escapees, if an armed - prisoner but any other prison| escapees, if an armed robber prisoner but any other prison - escapees, if an armed robber escaped from prison— escapees, if an armed robber escaped from prison tomorrow— escapees, if an armed robber escaped from prison tomorrow or _ escapees, if an armed robber escaped from prison tomorrow or a _ escapees, if an armed robber escaped from prison tomorrow or a burglar, i from prison tomorrow or a burglar, if an— from prison tomorrow or a burglar, if an arsonist — from prison tomorrow or a burglar, if an arsonist escapes, _ from prison tomorrow or a burglar, if an arsonist escapes, they - from prison tomorrow or a burglar, if an arsonist escapes, they don't l if an arsonist escapes, they don't check— if an arsonist escapes, they don't check the — if an arsonist escapes, they don't check the airports _ if an arsonist escapes, they don't check the airports and _ if an arsonist escapes, they don't check the airports and ports, - if an arsonist escapes, they don'tl check the airports and ports, they are not— check the airports and ports, they are not thinking... _ check the airports and ports, they are not thinking... the _ check the airports and ports, they are not thinking... the police - check the airports and ports, theyl are not thinking... the police must know— are not thinking... the police must know that — are not thinking... the police must know that he — are not thinking... the police must

know that he must _ are not thinking... the police must know that he must have _ are not thinking... the police must know that he must have some - are not thinking... the police must know that he must have some kindj are not thinking... the police must. know that he must have some kind of organisation — know that he must have some kind of organisation that— know that he must have some kind of organisation that would _ know that he must have some kind of organisation that would allow- know that he must have some kind of organisation that would allow him - organisation that would allow him within— organisation that would allow him within a _ organisation that would allow him within a matter— organisation that would allow him within a matter of _ organisation that would allow him within a matter of hours - organisation that would allow him within a matter of hours to - organisation that would allow him| within a matter of hours to escape from _ within a matter of hours to escape from wandsworth _ within a matter of hours to escape from wandsworth prison - within a matter of hours to escape from wandsworth prison and - within a matter of hours to escape from wandsworth prison and get i within a matter of hours to escapel from wandsworth prison and get to within a matter of hours to escape - from wandsworth prison and get to be ports or— from wandsworth prison and get to be ports or airports _ from wandsworth prison and get to be ports or airports. it's _ from wandsworth prison and get to be ports or airports. it's just _ ports or airports. it'sjust unbelievable _ ports or airports. it'sjust unbelievable really. - ports or airports. it's 'ust unbelievable reallyh ports or airports. it's 'ust unbelievable reall . ., unbelievable really. nick hardwick, what is your— unbelievable really. nick hardwick, what is your sense _ unbelievable really. nick hardwick, what is your sense of _ unbelievable really. nick hardwick, what is your sense of the _ what is your sense of the government's actual candle on all of this or because it is such a difficult thing to tackle, as it just been done piecemeal without the idea of an overall... and what you are saying early one, noel, the decision to get rid of the more senior officers that was made that that was actually chris grayling when he was just a secretary and he decided. he when he was 'ust a secretary and he decided. . ., ., ., . ., decided. he decided to have a clear out of the experienced _ decided. he decided to have a clear out of the experienced prison - out of the experienced prison officers — out of the experienced prison officers but _ out of the experienced prison officers but the _ out of the experienced prison officers but the handover- out of the experienced prisonj officers but the handover was out of the experienced prison - officers but the handover was done so quickly— officers but the handover was done so quickly that there _ officers but the handover was done so quickly that there won't - officers but the handover was done so quickly that there won't the - officers but the handover was done so quickly that there won't the new staff who _ so quickly that there won't the new staff who were _ so quickly that there won't the new staff who were there _ so quickly that there won't the new staff who were there long - so quickly that there won't the new staff who were there long enough i so quickly that there won't the new. staff who were there long enough to be trained _ staff who were there long enough to be trained by— staff who were there long enough to be trained by the _ staff who were there long enough to be trained by the older— staff who were there long enough to be trained by the older staff - staff who were there long enough to be trained by the older staff before. be trained by the older staff before they went — be trained by the older staff before they went so — be trained by the older staff before they went so that _ be trained by the older staff before they went so that was _ be trained by the older staff before they went so that was the - be trained by the older staff before they went so that was the problem| they went so that was the problem there _ they went so that was the problem there in— they went so that was the problem there in a — they went so that was the problem there in a nutshell. _ they went so that was the problem there in a nutshell. part— they went so that was the problem there in a nutshell.— there in a nutshell. part of the roblem there in a nutshell. part of the problem is _ there in a nutshell. part of the problem is there _ there in a nutshell. part of the problem is there is _ there in a nutshell. part of the problem is there is such - there in a nutshell. part of the problem is there is such a - there in a nutshell. part of the| problem is there is such a rapid turnover amongst present ministers and justice secretary is that what you don't have is any commitment to

the long—term planning and change that you need to do to fix some of these problems. there is a problem of turnover at the top as well as amongst prison officers. that of turnover at the top as well as amongst prison officers.- of turnover at the top as well as amongst prison officers. that is one ofthe amongst prison officers. that is one of the problems _ amongst prison officers. that is one of the problems and _ amongst prison officers. that is one of the problems and andrea, - amongst prison officers. that is one of the problems and andrea, you i amongst prison officers. that is one | of the problems and andrea, you are not serving as a prison governor but you are a prison governor as well as being in charge of the prison governors association so what do you think needs to be done right now? partly because of this but let's talk about wandsworth, what needs to be done to make sure that this not only doesn't happen again but there was a return of confidence in the prison service? i was a return of confidence in the prison service?— prison service? i can't talk about the specifics _ prison service? i can't talk about the specifics once _ prison service? i can't talk about the specifics once with _ prison service? i can't talk about the specifics once with i - prison service? i can't talk about the specifics once with i would . prison service? i can't talk about| the specifics once with i would be making _ the specifics once with i would be making assumptions and that would be unfair— making assumptions and that would be unfair for— making assumptions and that would be unfair for my making assumptions and that would be unfairfor my members making assumptions and that would be unfair for my members in wandsworth. but i unfair for my members in wandsworth. but i do _ unfair for my members in wandsworth. but i do think— unfair for my members in wandsworth. but i do think i'll prisons need investment, we need to invest in our staff to _ investment, we need to invest in our staff to make them the best we can, ensure _ staff to make them the best we can, ensure we _ staff to make them the best we can, ensure we are employing the right people _ ensure we are employing the right people and that we reward them appropriately and we need to reduce

the prison— appropriately and we need to reduce the prison population. we have a government that is intent on putting more _ government that is intent on putting more people in prison, keeping them there _ more people in prison, keeping them there for— more people in prison, keeping them there for longer and making it more difficult _ there for longer and making it more difficult to _ there for longer and making it more difficult to release them and we 'ust difficult to release them and we just can't— difficult to release them and we just can't do it. it doesn't protect the public. — just can't do it. it doesn't protect the public, it doesn't reduce crime, and we _ the public, it doesn't reduce crime, and we had — the public, it doesn't reduce crime, and we had to reduce the population so we _ and we had to reduce the population so we can— and we had to reduce the population so we can actually make a difference when _ so we can actually make a difference when they— so we can actually make a difference when they are in our care.— when they are in our care. always it was told that _ when they are in our care. always it was told that prisoners _ when they are in our care. always it was told that prisoners were - was told that prisoners were rehabilitated in prison in whatever way but now due think prisoners even have a chance for rehabilitation in prison? —— do you think? i have a chance for rehabilitation in prison? -- do you think?- prison? -- do you think? i think there are _ prison? -- do you think? i think there are some _ prison? -- do you think? i think there are some prisons - prison? -- do you think? i think there are some prisons that - prison? -- do you think? i think there are some prisons that do | prison? -- do you think? i think| there are some prisons that do it very well— there are some prisons that do it very well when they have good staff prisoner _ very well when they have good staff prisoner relationships because they have got— prisoner relationships because they have got the correct staffing numbers and a more settled prison population— numbers and a more settled prison population but in prisons like wandsworth, brixton, exeter, bristol. — wandsworth, brixton, exeter, bristol, we could name many of the old victorian prisons, they have high _ old victorian prisons, they have high turnover of staff, they are not trained _ high turnover of staff, they are not trained as— high turnover of staff, they are not trained as they should be, and it is

impossible — trained as they should be, and it is impossible to do what we need to do in these _ impossible to do what we need to do in these types of prisons. in impossible to do what we need to do in these types of prisons.— in these types of prisons. in my experience. _ in these types of prisons. in my experience, that _ in these types of prisons. in my experience, that is probably - in these types of prisons. in my i experience, that is probably about right _ experience, that is probably about right so _ experience, that is probably about riiht. , , ., right. so tell me, if prisoners go into prison _ right. so tell me, if prisoners go into prison now, _ right. so tell me, if prisoners go into prison now, you _ right. so tell me, if prisoners go into prison now, you were - right. so tell me, if prisoners go l into prison now, you were regular right. so tell me, if prisoners go - into prison now, you were regular in prison but he became a writer, and now, if prisoners, what is happening to them in prison?— to them in prison? there is no rehabilitation. _ to them in prison? there is no rehabilitation. of— to them in prison? there is no rehabilitation. of this - to them in prison? there is no - rehabilitation. of this government rehabilitation. of this government have rehabilitation. of this government have been— rehabilitation. of this government have been paying _ rehabilitation. of this government have been paying lip _ rehabilitation. of this government have been paying lip service - rehabilitation. of this government have been paying lip service to . have been paying lip service to rehabilitation _ have been paying lip service to rehabilitation for— have been paying lip service to rehabilitation for about - have been paying lip service to rehabilitation for about seven i have been paying lip service to. rehabilitation for about seven or eight _ rehabilitation for about seven or eight or— rehabilitation for about seven or eight or nine _ rehabilitation for about seven or eight or nine years, _ rehabilitation for about seven or eight or nine years, they- rehabilitation for about seven or. eight or nine years, they mention it every— eight or nine years, they mention it every time — eight or nine years, they mention it every time but _ eight or nine years, they mention it every time but there's _ eight or nine years, they mention it every time but there's very - eight or nine years, they mention it every time but there's very little i every time but there's very little real rehabilitation— every time but there's very little real rehabilitation going - every time but there's very little real rehabilitation going on. i every time but there's very little i real rehabilitation going on. there are pockets— real rehabilitation going on. there are pockets of really— real rehabilitation going on. there are pockets of really good - are pockets of really good readability _ are pockets of really good readability prisons - are pockets of really good readability prisons around are pockets of really good i readability prisons around the country — readability prisons around the country doing _ readability prisons around the country doing a _ readability prisons around the country doing a good - readability prisons around the country doing a good job i readability prisons around the country doing a good job but. readability prisons around the i country doing a good job but they are so— country doing a good job but they are so few— country doing a good job but they are so few and _ country doing a good job but they are so few and far— country doing a good job but they are so few and far between, i country doing a good job but they are so few and far between, it's i are so few and far between, it's like the — are so few and far between, it's like the whole _ are so few and far between, it's like the whole system - are so few and far between, it's like the whole system has i are so few and far between, it's . like the whole system has decided that rehabilitation, _ like the whole system has decided that rehabilitation, i— like the whole system has decided that rehabilitation, i was- like the whole system has decided that rehabilitation, i was told - like the whole system has decided that rehabilitation, i was told by. like the whole system has decided that rehabilitation, i was told by a| that rehabilitation, i was told by a prison— that rehabilitation, i was told by a prison governor— that rehabilitation, i was told by a prison governor when— that rehabilitation, i was told by a prison governor when i— that rehabilitation, i was told by a prison governor when i was - that rehabilitation, i was told by a . prison governor when i was released that rehabilitation— prison governor when i was released that rehabilitation to _ prison governor when i was released that rehabilitation to the _ prison governor when i was released that rehabilitation to the public - prison governor when i was released that rehabilitation to the public is i that rehabilitation to the public is no longer— that rehabilitation to the public is no longer a — that rehabilitation to the public is no longer a sexy— that rehabilitation to the public is no longer a sexy word. _ that rehabilitation to the public is no longer a sexy word. they - that rehabilitation to the public is| no longer a sexy word. they don't want _ no longer a sexy word. they don't want it. _ no longer a sexy word. they don't want it. they— no longer a sexy word. they don't want it, they want _ no longer a sexy word. they don't want it, they want prisoners- no longer a sexy word. they don't want it, they want prisoners to i no longer a sexy word. they don't want it, they want prisoners to be punished~ — want it, they want prisoners to be punished~ there _ want it, they want prisoners to be punished. there are _ want it, they want prisoners to be punished. there are prisoners, i

punished. there are prisoners, prisons — punished. there are prisoners, prisons that _ punished. there are prisoners, prisons that are _ punished. there are prisoners, prisons that are trying, - punished. there are prisoners, prisons that are trying, some l punished. there are prisoners, - prisons that are trying, some really good _ prisons that are trying, some really good prisons — prisons that are trying, some really good prisons out _ prisons that are trying, some really good prisons out of _ prisons that are trying, some really good prisons out of the _ prisons that are trying, some really good prisons out of the 147 - prisons that are trying, some really good prisons out of the 147 that - good prisons out of the 147 that exist— good prisons out of the 147 that exist but — good prisons out of the 147 that exist but most— good prisons out of the 147 that exist but most of— good prisons out of the 147 that exist but most of them - good prisons out of the 147 that exist but most of them just - good prisons out of the 147 thati exist but most of them just can't handle _ exist but most of them just can't handle the — exist but most of them just can't handle the job, _ exist but most of them just can't handle the job, they— exist but most of them just can't handle the job, they can't - exist but most of them just can't handle the job, they can't even i exist but most of them just can't. handle the job, they can't even do the day-to-day_ handle the job, they can't even do the day-to-dayioh _ handle the job, they can't even do the day—to—dayjob of _ handle the job, they can't even do the day—to—dayjob of unlocking . the day—to—dayjob of unlocking prisoners — the day—to—dayjob of unlocking prisoners and _ the day—to—dayjob of unlocking prisoners and some _ the day—to—dayjob of unlocking prisoners and some are - the day—to—dayjob of unlocking prisoners and some are banked| the day—to—dayjob of unlocking . prisoners and some are banked up the day—to—dayjob of unlocking - prisoners and some are banked up 23, 24 hours _ prisoners and some are banked up 23, 24 hours a _ prisoners and some are banked up 23, 24 hours a they — prisoners and some are banked up 23, 24 hours a day. [it's _ prisoners and some are banked up 23, 24 hours a day-— 24 hours a day. it's worth saying that wandsworth _ 24 hours a day. it's worth saying that wandsworth has _ 24 hours a day. it's worth saying that wandsworth has a - 24 hours a day. it's worth saying| that wandsworth has a specialist function as a remand prison so one of its problems, it has always had a great churn of prisoners coming in for a short period and going backwards and forwards to court, not staying long so staff don't get to know the prisoners that are held there and what they had to do in wandsworth in the short term, you can cut the population there, regardless of what is happening elsewhere in the estate, they have done it before at once with and they need to do that now to give the prison a bit of breathing space it can recover and start to get things back on a bit more of an even keel. thank you all very much. and with did ask the government but nobody was prepared to

well, sima's back with a major development following a newsnight investigation last october into racist messages sent by former metropolitan police officers on whatsapp. that investigation first triggered a probe by the met�*s directorate of professional standards. so what is the latest? six men were charged about a month ago, five of those men today pleaded guilty to those charges, saying they admit they did send racist messages on that whatsapp group that we uncovered back in october last year. we know some of those messages, meat and some of my colleagues have seen them, they were of a horrific nature, very vile racist language use, people of colour insulted and poked fun at including the duchess of sussex and people of south asian and heron —— and asian heritage, and they were deeply offensive. five of those men have pleaded guilty to those men have pleaded guilty to those charges. one of them, robert

lewis, retired from the met in 2015 and became a home office official before he was dismissed for gross misconduct last november. 50 before he was dismissed for gross misconduct last november. so what ha--ens misconduct last november. so what happens next _ misconduct last november. so what happens next and _ misconduct last november. so what happens next and when _ misconduct last november. so what happens next and when will - misconduct last november. so what happens next and when will there i misconduct last november. so what| happens next and when will there be sentencing? happens next and when will there be sentencin: ? , , happens next and when will there be sentencing?— sentencing? they were being caught in november— sentencing? they were being caught in november the _ sentencing? they were being caught in november the 6th _ sentencing? they were being caught in november the 6th for— sentencing? they were being caught in november the 6th for sentencing. —— they will be in court. all the men did serve for the metropolitan diplomatic unit at one point, that is important to mention, they are the people that protect embassies and the palace of westminster and also government ministers. one barrister told me this evening it wouldn't be surprising if they were given custodial sentences. however, we don't know. and we will find out more when they are sentenced in november. more when they are sentenced in november-— november. thank you very much indeed. this weekend, india's place on the world stage will be both assured and, narendra modi hopes, turbo—charged when the 620 summit

brings more world leaders to the country at one time than ever before. since assuming the 620 presidency in november, india has been increasingly bedecked with statues, light shows and 620 logos, while slums have been shrouded, ahead of a meeting which will put the global south into sharp focus. india's prime minister wants to concentrate the attention of the world leaders on climate change, the debt burden and food and energy security. however, the meeting is taking place against a backdrop of the war on ukraine, and increasing tension between the west and the two no—shows — vladimir putin first and now xi jinping. so how can the global south ensure the big issues they face are properly heard? and when it comes to the environement, what might be the impact of the tussle between developed and developing nations? here's kate. rolling out the welcome mat, delhi is getting ready to host the 620 summit this weekend. in a city which sweltered through 47 degrees heat earlier this year, india's coach mac narendra modi has been clear, climate change will be on the

indent. but in an article published today, he called for a less restrictive approach —— the agenda. saying any action by developing countries would have to be matched with finance and technology from richer nations. climate negotiations have long acknowledged countries which historically develop their economies using fossil fuels contributing to the current problem have a specific responsibility to take action. the united nations framework convention on climate change, signed in 1982, split countries into three different groups. industrialised nations which were part of the oecd at that time were part of the oecd at that time were called annex two, including places like the uk, japan, australia and the us. these nations were required to give financial and technical support to help developing countries fight climate change. what were then considered economies in transition like russia and slovenia were given less responsibility. and then there were non—annex or developing countries, that included small island nations like tuvalu,

larger states like nigeria and mexico and china and india. of course, in the 30 years or so since, the economies of china and india took off. hundreds of millions were lifted out of poverty. at the same time, the greenhouse gas emissions from these countries also rose. china is now responsible for 30% of the world's annual emissions, the highest of any country. india is third come up with more than 7% of the global total. but despite that, un climate —— un climate negotiations, the old classification still apply, negotiations, the old classification stillapply, india negotiations, the old classification still apply, india and china counted as developing nations with different responsibilities to those industrialised in 1992. in recent years, the political backlash has grown. some people have argued that in climate terms, the definition of india has allowed it to act as a heroic victim in climate negotiations, that it can keep increasing coal production well asking for support from developed nations, what do you think of that

accusation? the nations, what do you think of that accusation?— nations, what do you think of that accusation? the challenge when it comes to climate _ accusation? the challenge when it comes to climate negotiations, i comes to climate negotiations, people look at india only as a large country, completely ignoring the large population it has. so when it comes to per capita, india's emissions are half of the uk's. and one third of europe and one fifth of us per capita emissions. so when we talk about human rights, we have to talk about human rights, we have to talk about human rights, we have to talk about per capita emissions. it talk about per capita emissions. if we look at cumulative emissions, which had together the long history of fossil fuel driven development, not on a per capita basis, the us and europe are still in the lead. the uk also still sits ahead of india. despite having much lower annual emissions today. india has increased its renewable capacity, it pledges to reach net zero by 2070, but short—term emissions increases may be inevitable. because tens of millions, particularly in rural communities, still live in households without electricity. {lit

households without electricity. of course the citizens, we do say india must _ course the citizens, we do say india must do _ course the citizens, we do say india must do more because we also suffer from the _ must do more because we also suffer from the challenge of pollution. but because _ from the challenge of pollution. but because of burning of fossil fuels. but it— because of burning of fossil fuels. but it has— because of burning of fossil fuels. but it has to be in a manner that gets— but it has to be in a manner that gets support from the international community because it is still a developing country and we cannot wish away— developing country and we cannot wish away that reality. that sopport. — wish away that reality. that sopport. many _ wish away that reality. that support, many would - wish away that reality. that | support, many would argue, wish away that reality. trust support, many would argue, has not been what was promised. 14 years ago at the copenhagen summit, developed countries first pledged to provide $100 billion a year in climate finance to developing nations by 2020. it is a figure that has since taken on a totemic significance, but it hasn't yet been met. it taken on a totemic significance, but it hasn't yet been met.— it hasn't yet been met. it simply uts into it hasn't yet been met. it simply puts into perspective _ it hasn't yet been met. it simply puts into perspective what - it hasn't yet been met. it simply puts into perspective what the l it hasn't yet been met. it simply - puts into perspective what the words of these leaders mean when they make promises. they don't deliver on them. and as it happens, the 100 billion when they raised it many years ago, sounded like a large number. it is actually now a trivial

number. it is actually now a trivial number compared to the problem. and they still haven't delivered on it. so it is just simply a matter of faith and trust that has been undermined by the non—delivery. questions of fairness are at the heart of every climate negotiation, no country wants to move alone, but trust in talks is also created or destroyed by action. that was kate. i'm joined now by business champion nigel topping, who sits on the climate change committee and was the uk high level climate action champion. and ambassador tosi mpanu—mpanu who is the democratic republic of congo's senior climate negotiator. good evening to both of you. ambassador, do you think we are going into this 620 with a fundamental lack of trust between the rich nations and the developing nations? ~ . ,, ., , ., , the rich nations and the developing nations? ~ . , , ., , ., , nations? well, it appears to be so. because when _ nations? well, it appears to be so. because when we _ nations? well, it appears to be so. because when we were _ nations? well, it appears to be so. because when we were engaged i nations? well, it appears to be so. because when we were engaged in | because when we were engaged in those climate negotiations and

whatever political parties commit to certain deliverables and when it is not followed by actual numbers put on the table, indeed, it hinders trust. you must remember that it is in 2009 at $100 million was committed by developing countries, and it is a number which is a physical number and not even in line with developing countries and their needs. and that number today 14 years later has yet to be materialised. indeed, it hinders trust when you engage in the negotiations. is trust when you engage in the negotiations.— trust when you engage in the neuotiations. , . ., , ., negotiations. is that the way you see it, nigel— negotiations. is that the way you see it, nigeltopping? _ negotiations. is that the way you see it, nigeltopping? we - negotiations. is that the way you see it, nigeltopping? we are i negotiations. is that the way you see it, nigeltopping? we are in| negotiations. is that the way you | see it, nigeltopping? we are in a see it, nigel topping? we are in a situation now where the first lot of money was promised in 2020 and as the ambassador was saying, it is not even the correct amount of money needed now and that is what 2020, 2021, 2023, still no sign of the money. 2021, 2023, still no sign of the mone . , , ., ., ,

money. yes, it is a token of trust, so it not been _ money. yes, it is a token of trust, so it not been delivered _ money. yes, it is a token of trust, so it not been delivered continues| so it not been delivered continues to erode _ so it not been delivered continues to erode trust. i am hopeful the report— to erode trust. i am hopeful the report at— to erode trust. i am hopeful the report at the end of this year which catcutates— report at the end of this year which calculates the amount will show we finally _ calculates the amount will show we finally have reach that this year. so three — finally have reach that this year. so three years late, but he is absolutely right, it is also the wrong — absolutely right, it is also the wrong target. and we have actually been hampered by focusing on this artificiat— been hampered by focusing on this artificial number which came up in copen— artificial number which came up in copan instead of saying, what needs to be _ copan instead of saying, what needs to be done? — copan instead of saying, what needs to be done? one breakthrough we had in egypt _ to be done? one breakthrough we had in egypt in _ to be done? one breakthrough we had in egypt in cop 27 was we had nick stern— in egypt in cop 27 was we had nick stern who — in egypt in cop 27 was we had nick stern who created the stern report. we commissioned a report on how much finance _ we commissioned a report on how much finance is— we commissioned a report on how much finance is needed and it is $2.4 trillion _ finance is needed and it is $2.4 trillion a — finance is needed and it is $2.4 trillion a year in 2030. more than half of— trillion a year in 2030. more than half of which needs to come from those _ half of which needs to come from those countries themselves domestically, but are trillion of which _ domestically, but are trillion of which needs to come from the international, public and private. so we _ international, public and private. so we need this problem—solving approach — so we need this problem—solving approach rather than fighting over the wrong — approach rather than fighting over the wrong number. but that number needs— the wrong number. but that number needs to _ the wrong number. but that number needs to be — the wrong number. but that number needs to be delivered because it is a promise — needs to be delivered because it is a promise in token of trust. but the trouble is if — a promise in token of trust. but the trouble is if you _ a promise in token of trust. but the

trouble is if you deliver _ a promise in token of trust. but the trouble is if you deliver that - trouble is if you deliver that number, you might not get any further. you say it will also far short of what is needed. it further. you say it will also far short of what is needed. it needs to be delivered — short of what is needed. it needs to be delivered because _ short of what is needed. it needs to be delivered because it _ short of what is needed. it needs to be delivered because it is _ short of what is needed. it needs to be delivered because it is a - short of what is needed. it needs to j be delivered because it is a promise and a _ be delivered because it is a promise and a promise needs to be kept, but he knows _ and a promise needs to be kept, but he knows much more about the details of this— he knows much more about the details of this is— he knows much more about the details of this is the _ he knows much more about the details of this is the approach of new quantitative goal, more needs to be done commit we need reform of the multilateral development, banking system, _ multilateral development, banking system, reformed to allow more private _ system, reformed to allow more private capital to flow commit improvements in the local capital markets, — improvements in the local capital markets, so it is a much more complex— markets, so it is a much more complex picture than one number can capture _ complex picture than one number can capture l _ complex picture than one number can ca ture. . , complex picture than one number can cature. .,, ., ., i. capture. i was wondering what you think, that — capture. i was wondering what you think, that there _ capture. i was wondering what you think, that there is _ capture. i was wondering what you think, that there is also _ think, that there is also disagreement really, it is not helping when the west is using the lng that was going to be helping for example in the developing world to deal with what is happening in ukraine so it looks like it has to be helped to counter the cost of fuel during the ukraine war, but that in itself does not help the developing world. it is an either

or. , _, ., , or. indeed. this conversation needs to be taken — or. indeed. this conversation needs to be taken under the _ or. indeed. this conversation needs to be taken under the prism - or. indeed. this conversation needs to be taken under the prism of- or. indeed. this conversation needs to be taken under the prism ofjust| to be taken under the prism ofjust transition. developing countries are willing to do their fair transition. developing countries are willing to do theirfair share, but they need to be given the time, they need to be given the support. but they are showing ambition. many of them are investing a lot in renewable energy, not because they necessarily like to save the planet, very surprised to see that when we face this existential crisis called covid, we are able to mobilise trillions of dollars in order to face the pandemic. the climate change is also another existential

crisis, yet the money has not been mobilised. �* ., crisis, yet the money has not been mobilised. . ., _, , mobilised. and of course, the african nations, _ mobilised. and of course, the african nations, among - mobilised. and of course, the african nations, among the i mobilised. and of course, the - african nations, among the african nations, they are among the lowest emitters, but in the drc, you have had to auction gas and oil blocks, some of them in the national park to develop your economy. that presumably is something you never wanted to do?— wanted to do? well, that actually did not happen — wanted to do? well, that actually did not happen because _ wanted to do? well, that actually did not happen because the - did not happen because the auctioning was done in blocks outside of the park. but indeed, when the initial auctioning started, there was some overlap. and of course commit it brings to bear the issue of, do we have the right to fight poverty? because we are facing insecurity, we are facing energy security, and yet we are being asked to do more. so all this needs to be donein to do more. so all this needs to be done in a way which is fair and equitable. and if the uk, france,

the us and prosperous companies producing a lot of oil why should the drc be denied that right? of course we in the drc want first to be recognised in our role in stabilising the well climate, yet we are not getting a fair conversation for it. —— the world climate. so this issue is complex, but developing countries are willing to engage, but this needs to be done on a fair basis and the rules of the game cannot be changed while the game cannot be changed while the game is being played. i game cannot be changed while the game is being played.— game is being played. i have “ust come back— game is being played. i have “ust come back from i game is being played. i have “ust come back from nairobi �* game is being played. i have “ust come back from nairobi and h game is being played. i havejust come back from nairobi and the l come back from nairobi and the african — come back from nairobi and the african climate summit hosted by president — african climate summit hosted by president william ruto opinion in the lead — president william ruto opinion in the lead with what he talks about this climate positive development, and i_ this climate positive development, and i much — this climate positive development, and i much agree, we have to be fair and i much agree, we have to be fair and recognise the very different contacts — and recognise the very different contacts of countries like congo so we can't _ contacts of countries like congo so we can't think that it's about

reducing _ we can't think that it's about reducing emissions, if you have hardly— reducing emissions, if you have hardly any— reducing emissions, if you have hardly any emissions and a lot of property, — hardly any emissions and a lot of property, your primary issue is economic— property, your primary issue is economic development of the question is how— economic development of the question is how we _ economic development of the question is how we can collaborate to drive green _ is how we can collaborate to drive green economic development and help africa take _ green economic development and help africa take advantage of the massive renewable _ africa take advantage of the massive renewable resources it has, kenya is at 92% _ renewable resources it has, kenya is at 92% renewables already, and many other countries thinking, how can we help unlock— other countries thinking, how can we help unlock that natural resource they have?— help unlock that natural resource the have? . , ., they have? that broadly, how do you ensure the whole _ they have? that broadly, how do you ensure the whole summit, _ they have? that broadly, how do you ensure the whole summit, that - they have? that broadly, how do you ensure the whole summit, that the l ensure the whole summit, that the politics of what is going on between xijinping, putin and the politics of what is going on between xi jinping, putin and the west, doesn't come as it were, completely subsume everything else? it’s doesn't come as it were, completely subsume everything else?— subsume everything else? it's very difficult and _ subsume everything else? it's very difficult and there _ subsume everything else? it's very difficult and there are _ subsume everything else? it's very difficult and there are some - subsume everything else? it's very difficult and there are some pretty| difficult and there are some pretty powerful _ difficult and there are some pretty powerful geopolitical forces playing and interestingly come at a moment for resident modi to show his global leadership and he has talked about wanting _ leadership and he has talked about wanting to show, and interestingly also talking about inviting the african — also talking about inviting the african union to be a permanent ntenrber— african union to be a permanent member of the 620 to try to redress some _ member of the 620 to try to redress some of— member of the 620 to try to redress some of the —

member of the 620 to try to redress some of the entrenched imbalances in their power— some of the entrenched imbalances in their power politics. but that will require _ their power politics. but that will require some really skilful diplomacy because there are some deep mistrust and difficulties. the climate _ deep mistrust and difficulties. the climate ministers' meeting in the 620 did _ climate ministers' meeting in the 620 did not lead to great breakthroughs come less than 100 —— days before _ breakthroughs come less than 100 —— days before cop26 over him to deliver— days before cop26 over him to deliver a — days before cop26 over him to deliver a 620 heads of state communicate which shows solidarity and collective commitment to go much faster. _ and collective commitment to go much faster, recognising the different circumstances, that would be a real political— circumstances, that would be a real political when them in the world. thank— political when them in the world. thank you — political when them in the world. thank you very much. in a moment, tonight for the mercury award winners, ezra collective. a feature of this parliament has been by—elections, a lot of by—elections. the resignation of chris pincher today, the former tory whip, means there will be a 19th since 2019. newsnight has been to rutherglen and hamilton west ahead of the vote there on october 5th. and tonight, we're concentrating on the 18th one, to be held on october 19th. this week, nadine dorries finally announced her exit

from her mid bedfordshire seat with an excoriating denouncment of rishi sunak, saying of the prime minister, "you've no mandate for the people and the government is adrift." the former culture secretary had a majority of 24,000, and campaigning in the consituency has been going on since early summer. nick has been surveying the lay of the land. a haven in the late summer. images for picture postcards in this exquisite corner of middle england. but the hum of modern life is never far away. giant warehouses of the internet economy are mushrooming alongside the m1. some wealth, but areas where life can be a bit more of a struggle. mid bedfordshire, a rock solid conservative seat for the last 92 years, now faces a by—election

after the long, drawn out resignation of nadine dorries. by—elections in conservative held seats have followed a familiar pattern in recent years. it doesn't take long to work out who the main challenger is and the no hoper, well, they run a dignified but not exactly energetic campaign. not so this time. labour and the liberal democrats, well, they're going toe to toe, giving the conservatives hope that maybe they can sneak through the middle. recent by—elections, we've seen an absolute collapse in the votes of one of the parties, either the liberal democrats or the labour party, depending on if it was the labour party or the liberal democrats in with the greatest chance of winning that seat. the opponents opposing each other. the labour and liberal democrat candidates. this is our time, says labour. when we're out on the doorstep speaking to people, whether they're lifelong conservative voters or even in some cases conservative party members who've told me they're

backing me and endorsing me this time around. whether it's the opinion poll that opinion did here, that puts us narrowly in the lead. it's on us to hear what people are telling us and to campaign accordingly. we're taking this seat really seriously because as a party that have always been in second place here and have got a real offer that speaks to the issues people are facing right across mid bedfordshire at the moment, we think we've got a great chance of doing something truly historic. from the lib dems, this is the sort of seat where the orange bird takes flight. certainly when i'm out doorknocking, obviously i know this area really well. i'm a councillor as well in bedfordshire, people are very clear. i'm speaking to lots of lifelong conservatives who are really want to see change. they're fed up with the conservatives and they are voting for liberal democrats because they know we're the ones who can bring that and bring a strong voice for mid bedfordshire, but they won't countenance labour. so that's why we're really clear that we are the challenges here. if you look at our record as a party, we've won by—elections in these rural, blue wall seats from the conservatives time and time again. so we are aiming to do that here again. i hope you're going

to be voting yes. . we will do those. glad handing all and sundry and all to play for, says the conservative candidate with more of a personal than a party campaign. judge me by my track record as police and crime commissioner here. i have not played party politics, and that's one thing people always say to me when i knock on the door and i've knocked on over a thousand doors since i was elected about ten weeks ago. now, the one thing they always said, they want to have a local mp who lives in the area, who knows the area, but they also want somebody who delivers for them. but rather than play party politics, i do not do that. i am a very independent minded person as some people at number ten and hq have come to find out, ifight for local people as i've done as police and crime commissioner. if i'm the next member of parliament, i will do more of the same. professorjane green says recent elections suggest there are opportunities and pitfalls for the three largest parties in this by—election. those elections have shown very strong tactical voting,

which really suggests that these are voters who are very disgruntled and will vote for whoever it is that can unseat the conservative candidate in that particular constituency. now obviously in mid bedfordshire we don't have polls in mid bedfordshire, we have the national picture and what's then going to matter is which kinds of voters split to which kinds of parties and if it's split three ways, which it could very well do, and if it essentially then is a three way marginal constituency, despite it being historically a conservative constituency since 19305, then in that case, it really is potentially on a knife edge. but strong voices from a local, independent and other national parties. i'm offering something completely different from what we've had before. the political parties have let down the voters here on numerous occasions, so i'm offering a much more in—touch approach to all of the people where they can feel that they're

actually getting the political representation that they deserve