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we'll have the headlines and all the main news stories for you at the top of the hour as newsday continues, straight after hardtalk. when it becomes a tech hub for big startups. as we when it becomes a tech hub for big startu ps. as we save when it becomes a tech hub for big startups. as we save the world one broken item either time of the award for the most profound question of the week goes to... it
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for the most profound question of the week goes to. . ._ the week goes to... it all comes to an exhibition. _ how are you? i'm doing great. just learnin: how are you? i'm doing great. just learning and _ how are you? i'm doing great. just learning and exploring _ how are you? i'm doing great. just learning and exploring the - how are you? i'm doing great. just learning and exploring the world i learning and exploring the world around _ learning and exploring the world around me. how about you? i�*m learning and exploring the world around me. how about you? i'm good, thank ou around me. how about you? i'm good, thank you very — around me. how about you? i'm good, thank you very much. actually, - around me. how about you? i'm good, thank you very much. actually, i - around me. how about you? i'm good, thank you very much. actually, i am i thank you very much. actually, i am having a whale of a time. i've made it no secret that in the past, robots like this have make me very cold. a were misleading. giving the impression that we are on the verge of an ai revolution. it’s impression that we are on the verge of an ai revolution.— of an ai revolution. it's an exciting — of an ai revolution. it's an exciting time _ of an ai revolution. it's an exciting time to _ of an ai revolution. it's an exciting time to be - of an ai revolution. it's an exciting time to be alive. | of an ai revolution. it's an i exciting time to be alive. are of an ai revolution. it's an - exciting time to be alive. are you alive? depends _ exciting time to be alive. are you alive? depends on _ exciting time to be alive. are you alive? depends on your- exciting time to be alive. are you | alive? depends on your definition. i'm alive? depends on your definition. i'm circulating _ alive? depends on your definition. i'm circulating along. _ alive? depends on your definition. i'm circulating along. since - alive? depends on your definition. i'm circulating along. since chat i i'm circulating along. since chat gbg, i'm circulating along. since chat 686. everything _ i'm circulating along. since chat gbg, everything is _ i'm circulating along. since chat gbg, everything is changing - i'm circulating along. since chat i 686, everything is changing robot i'm circulating along. since chat - gbg, everything is changing robot is not being puppeteers. it's genuinely
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the mouthpiece of a programme that is responding live to my unrehearsed questions. how does bob marley luck is on its? , ., questions. how does bob marley luck is on its?_ she - is on its? only “amming. she has also been — is on its? only jamming. she has also been trained _ is on its? only jamming. she has also been trained on _ is on its? only jamming. she has also been trained on the - is on its? only jamming. she has also been trained on the works i is on its? only jamming. she has| also been trained on the works of science fiction offers. i think my line of questioning says more about my mindset than yours. i’m about my mindset than yours. i'm sure you're _ about my mindset than yours. i'm sure you're not the only one. let's take _ sure you're not the only one. let's take it _ sure you're not the only one. let's take it one — sure you're not the only one. let's take it one step at a time. i met either in berlin.
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i'm at ifa in berlin. it's europe's biggest tech show. where in hall 20, the robots are doing their thing, whatever that thing actually is. ifeel like i'm about to have my brain operated on or something. the lasers are going to come out and suddenly it's going to yank the top of my head off and do some kind of minority report stuff. it's notjust the bots, though. every type of tech is here for every part of our lives. it is a real spectacle, with attention grabbing booths, gravity defying demos, and any attempt possible to make the hottest tech look extremely cool. it's definitely one of the more colourful shows that i get to go to. more of the rainbow next year. just a personal request there, but it's maybe the white goods that have the biggest outing here. home appliances are well represented. and this is a place where they deliberately break an egg on your floor so they can vacuum it up again. eh, sticky roller, though. tell you what else is cracking — tv screens. not literally, mind you,
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but the latest oled tvs are big, bright and sharp, and they also turn up in the most unusual places. this could get in the way of shaving, if you ask me. from the bathroom to the bedroom, this could get in the way of shaving, if you ask me. from the bathroom to the bedroom, there is something weird lurking around every corner and if it's your kind of thing, then this place can be fun for all the family. oops. that's what ifa is. but what ifa isn't is a place where you are guaranteed certainly don't come to ifa expecting there to be new ideas and new inventions on every single stall. i mean, they are here, but you have to know where to look. this is as much about manufacturers and retailers selling their version of the latest tv or vacuum cleaner
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or toothbrush or toy or washing machine. but one thing you can do at shows like this is take the temperature and spot the trends. what is everyone talking about this year? the new boss of the show was in no doubt about the big talking points for 2023. there's two themes that have completely blown everything else out of the water. they've almost kind of zoomed out of nowhere, if you like. ai. if we're being honest, nobody was talking about al a year ago. now everybody�*s grandmother is an expert. am i right? we're in the sustainability village, which is the physical embodiment, if you like, of the fact that everybody is talking about eco—sustainability, energy uses on your washing machine, power. of course it's easy to say you're green, but harder to live up to that branding. we'll visit one of ifa's more sustainable stands later in the programme.
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but that other theme, ai, is also something that seems to creep in to lots of product slogans. ai has been in a lot of stuff for a long time, yes. how is it manifesting itself here this year in a way it hasn't before? yeah, well, i would say potentially it hasn't yet. i think where it gets relevant probably for the next year or two and then going forward for our large clients, samsung's and bosch, siemens, miller and those people, when proper intelligence gets into your machines and they can really start to influence your life. when proper intelligence gets into your machines and they can really start to influence your life. and i think there's going to be some revolutions in the home that happen once the power and the capability of ai really gets understood
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and built into the software and then the hardware of some of our home appliances. and after spending a little while with desdemona here, i am actually starting to believe that smart appliances of the future really could add at least a little personality to our homes. what can you tell me about the presenter of bbc click? they say the presenter of bbc click is an expert on all things tech and ai—related. i can only assume there must be a robot like me. i can only assume they must be a robot like me. laughter the architecture is pretty brutal and its layout was like nothing i've seen anywhere else in the world. when it was replaced, maybe a bit
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side. but it lives on. plans are under way to turn into a tech alex 13 has been there. wyn berlin's airport closed in 2020, there was one big question — what to do with such a huge site. a space for technology companies and the homes of the future. where better to start a tour than the highest spot. it's a true panoramic experience. what we can see is the former orange halls and the former workshops where we have the first community of
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startups already here. they do if tom is driving, all sorts of innovations and they're really good for space. the architecture here is quite iconic. the plan is to keep a lot of it. , , ., ., ., it. this is one of the main endeavours _ it. this is one of the main endeavours of _ it. this is one of the main endeavours of the - it. this is one of the main endeavours of the site, i it. this is one of the main | endeavours of the site, to it. this is one of the main - endeavours of the site, to keep the heritage. we don't want to lose the identity. that's why the republic really tries to combine heritage and innovation. , , , ., innovation. these buildings are incredibly iconic _ innovation. these buildings are incredibly iconic and _ innovation. these buildings are incredibly iconic and even - innovation. these buildings are incredibly iconic and even sincei incredibly iconic and even since mental —— sentimental. this really shows us the scale of the sites here.
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that will be a test ground for new innovation and sustainable living. there is an attempt to make them future proof, including where we rely on the sky more for deliveries. they're currently planning mobility hubs for drones, where they have paired to kind of land and also to be serviced. while some of the development will take the next decade or so to complete, there are already the first of the smaller tech start—ups moving in. yeah, welcome. we're in the former cargo hall of the airport tegel that used to be the place where all airfreight — which is not passengers or passenger luggage — went through. here, we have organisations from renewable energies that work, for instance, on green hydrogen or storing heat for cities in the future. we've also have got companies working on e—mobility, but also food production and also sustainable construction of houses.
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what is the draw for a tech company to come and be based here at an old airport? there's lots of space and solutions for future cities, they require space to develop prototypes, to have test labs and everything. the range of companies here so far is growing, like enerkite, who are developing power generating tech they hope could get electricity for communities, but also has the potential to pop up anywhere. but also companies are trying to get food production as close to homes as possible through mobile greenhouses. cheers! thank you. what is the big benefit to you as a start—up of being based here at the airport? a big dynamic and positive spirit to develop a technology that helps to fight the climate change. it's also very inspiring to be i in a decommissioned airport. the idea that now, we can
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disseminate, like, ideas. and actually products from here to the rest of the world is very inspiring. converting a site of this scale is going to take the next 10—20 years, but there are a couple of big challenges — one, keeping the history of this place and mixing that with new buildings but also, trying to predict what with new buildings, but also, trying to predict what infrastructure will be needed in the technology of the future. i'm shiona mccallum and here's the week in tech. video conferencing platform zoom has revealed a new ai—powered assistant for its users. some of the abilities of the ai companion include answering questions based on meetings, as well as summarising key points. the new addition will be available for subscription users of the platform. scientists at bangor university in north wales have developed an energy source that could allow astronauts to live on the moon.
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the fuel cell, known as the trisofuel, could be used to power a micro nuclear generator. if successful, the technology could springboard further planetary exploration. the moon is dark half of the month, so we can't rely on solar energy, we can't rely on solar pv and things like that — although i imagine they'll be part of the mix — but we need to have that thing for when it's dark, so that's where mnuclear comes in. the eu has announced which big tech firms will face tougher rules on how they do business under its digital markets act. tech giants like amazon, apple and meta will need to comply with rules like making apps interoperate with rivals. and everybody, say cheese! polaroid has released an updated version of its iconic instant camera. some of the key highlights include a continuous autofocus lens system and lidar accuracy. the camera is set to be available from early september.
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ifa is full of strange sights, so of course there is the occasional fashion show with... what are those, handbags? no, not handbags — it's a phone. of course it is. this is the honor v purse which is taking wearable tech to the extreme. it is a foldable with screens on the outside, both sides it's a foldable with screens on the outside, both sides as you can see, and it comes with an attachment allowing you to carry it with pride. this is obviously mainly aimed at women, plus anyone for whom pockets are but a dream, or who likes matching accessories. it comes with customisable characters to complement your couture, which, thanks to the phone's motion and touch sensors can jangle about like a charm bracelet, floof like real fluff, or swim away like any sensible fish in a handbag would.
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this is what they call a concept launch, just to get feedback from the market at this stage but the honor on sale already in china is the magic v2. it's a more traditional foldable — it has no strap, though. the interesting thing from a technology point of view is that the honor magic foldable phones are very thin. this is something that we got used to with traditional so—called candybar phones, but when you fold a foldable, it necessarily becomes twice as thick. but look at this — this is a reasonably recent traditional phone, and thickness—wise, well, they're... ..almost on a par. and the reason these can be this thin is because of the battery. it's a variation on the traditional lithium—ion traditional lithium—ion battery, and it's already in use in electric cars. it uses a specific mix of silicon in certain parts of the battery, and this gives it nearly 13% more energy density. meaning you get more charge in the same space, or here, the same charge in a smaller one. typically, you have the iphone or
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other smartphone user experience — per day, you need to charge it two or three times. but with this new battery technology, once, and for one day, it's enough. if you recognise the name honor, you may remember it as a brand of huawei phones — that is the huawei that was once the second—biggest smartphone maker in the world, as a brand of huawei phones — that's the huawei that was once the second—biggest smartphone maker in the world, until a trade ban in 2019 stopped it from working with us—based companies. and this famously meant its phones could no longer carry official google apps, effectively killing their appeal to a lot of the world. but in 2020, honor was spun off as a separate company, so although its phones are still made in china, it now has no connections to huawei. and that means, amongst other things, all the phones now
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have access to google services once more. how important is it to have google services on your phone? we need to work together, we cannot without a partner we cannot without a partner to move forward. we need to work together, we cannot without a partner to move forward, so we need acollaboration. and also, that honour need to contribute to the industry. for example, when we make the foldable phone so thin, also we can attract the other consumer more in this direction, the foldable phone can become mainstream. this will be big support to google. otherwise, they have no motivation to develop this software ecosystem. we are at a stage where every phone maker is struggling to find a point of difference. that's why there's a lot of foldable action these days. new battery technology also feels like a significant selling point. phones as purses? well, it might not be everyone's bag, but who knows?
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now, as we said earlier, although whitegoods are ifa's big thing, one of its big themes is green. sustainability was a big theme last year. of course, it's a big theme this year and it's only going to get bigger until, i dunno, we solve the problem. the question is, are we any closer to that? as we know, the whole purpose of tech fairs like ifa is for companies to sell brand—new products. it's an industry that is heavily led by new versions — new versions of phones, for instance. we are being made like made to feel very negatively about ourselves that, you know, we just don't belong and we're not as cool or as amazing if we don't have all these gadgets.
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and that is something that i really had to put to the managing director of this massive new tech trade show that we happen to be at. we can be very sustainable by not buying new stuff, and yet here we are at a trade show full of new stuff. so, yeah, how do we balance those two? we obviously have got customers spanning the whole gamut of, let's say, durability and reliability. a lot of our customers pride themselves in the fact that their products are going to last a long time. i think are more enlightened customers realise that they're not really in a battle about, is it... have we shifted 1.2 million units this year versus 1.1? they're really in a battle for brand love. if you've got somebody that's so in love with your product they're willing to repair it and tie up with elastic bands and reuse it as much as possible, that's worth, rather than going and looking on the market again and potentially
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going to a competitor, that's worth just as much. so i think that kind of re—use and repair can have an impact. and so, it was that in a tiny corner of ifa's so—called sustainability village, a small group of volunteers were asked here to encourage visitors to make do and mend. it's working. it's working! it's working. ingo used to be an electrician and when he retired, he occupied himself by fixing everything at home. then he set up his own repair cafe where volunteers breathe new life into broken electronics. in germany, the awareness of longevity of articles is growing, and of repairability. people want to repair. the younger generation is rather looking for latest technology, latest design and rather prefers to buy new. i'm not criticising that, but i'm saying in terms of interest in repairing something, it's more prone in the older generation. have you repaired many things
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while you've been here at ifa? actually, five or six only. who comes to an exhibition with a broken vacuum cleaner? laughs well, there might not be any vacuum cleaners so far, but sebastian has brought his mum's blood pressure monitor. it didn't compress the arm any more. we decided to buy a new one and it wasn't that reliable. and it wasn't that reliable, so my mother trusted in this device and she wanted this to be repaired. and luckily, ifound this place where they found the right solution. where they found the right solution, so she will be happy, environment will be happy. so, another happy customer. but there is a reason that the repair cafe is run by volunteers. the labour cost of repairing these small items means that operations like this aren't usually commercially viable. this is an item of 20 euros. the phone is an item of 600—800 euros. but they're difficult to repair.
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they are difficult to repair, but they're... if you then spend 30 euros to open the unit, you can say, yeah, this is worth it, i want to keep my phone. for this unit, it's not worth it because it's more than the new one. so we have we're in this niche so we're in this niche where the professional shops cannot really help. but in the future, legislation could help make it easier and cheaper to fix our goods than it is to buy new ones. in march this year, the eu proposed a law that requires more products to be more easily repairable, even after their warranty has expired. and some european countries are already trying to encourage repair. france is leading the way quite a bit there. they have got this very interesting repairability index, showing, with a figure from 1—10 how repairable your product is. as a citizen, you can think, "do i want this
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because it's only a 1?" or "do i think i'm going to go for the other one "that's a lot more repairable, which will make it last longer "and be more worth my money?" i think there's a lot that we can do ourselves to make choices that are actually more beneficial for ourselves, especially in times when life is just expensive. i think we tend to think a bit short—term in terms of investment and living more sustainably. but if we think about it a bit more long—term, that's much more in our own advantage — paying a bit more for higher quality can be a lot less expensive. a laptop is better than a desktop because its smaller, so it uses less material, less impact. also, it will use less of your energy. whether tech companies do give us more sustainable products may be a reflection on how much pressure we and governments put on them.
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and, given the importance of repair, i wonder if these guys will be given a bigger stall at ifa next year. and that is it from us at ifa 2023. we will be back for this show�*s 100th anniversary next year. can't wait! meantime, thanks for watching and we will see you soon. morning, all. a stormy end to our weekend of what has been quite a remarkable week of weatherjust passed. on sunday, we saw highs of 33 degrees yet again. of 33 degrees yet again, so that coupled with last week's temperatures, so that, coupled with last week's temperatures, saw seven consecutive days
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where we've seen 30 degrees or more — a record for september. but our week ahead is certainly going to see a change. yes, we'll have some warmth on monday, but a noticeable, fresher feel for all of us. these are our maximum temperatures expected as we go through the week ahead, so low 20s quite widely. we've got a weather front then still pushing in from the north. it's a cold front, and this will gradually introduce the change to the weather story. eventually, that front is going to push its way steadily south and the wind direction swing around to more of a northwesterly, cooler, fresher air tucking in behind. so, to begin with, 10—11 degrees in the north west of the great glen. a mild start once again for england and well, still feeling quite humid out there. and this is where we'll see the best of the sunshine and the warmth. of the sunshine and the warmth and the warmth on monday. a showery band of rain through northern england and north wales. following in behind.
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fresher here, but ahead of that front, we're still likely to see temperatures peaking at 27 degrees — that's 80 fahrenheit. now, as we move out of monday into tuesday, that weather front is still there and it's still meandering its way slowly south slowly south and east, taking its time in doing so. ahead of the front is where we'll keep the milder conditions, so first thing on tuesday morning, 16 degrees fresher behind single figures for scotland and northern ireland, the front will gradually sink its way south. it could bring some much needed rain actually across the midlands, east anglia and southeast england. behind it, some sunnier spells and clearer conditions. so we're looking at 13—18 degrees here, highest values if we're lucky of around 22 celsius. then as we move out of tuesday, finally, that frontal system eases away. high pressure is set to build and keep things quite quiet. that means a chilly start potentially in the far northeast on wednesday morning. maybe temperatures low enough for a touch of frost in sheltered glens of scotland, but it will lead to a largely fine bright day
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bright day on wednesday, noticeably fresher with showers for the end of the week.
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