' experiences experiences about ' experiences about the big your experiences about the big stories of the big day. this is a massive story. we are going to talk about libya, the floods. what is going on? the mayor of derna estimates 20,000 people may have died. more than 5,000 people are known to have died in the city of derna in eastern libya. at least 10,000 are still missing. the damage caused by storm daniel at the weekend has been catastrophic. residents had been ordered to stay in their homes by local authorities. but around 16 inches of rain fell on some areas in less than 2a hours, overwhelming two dams.

that caused a huge tsunami—like torrent of water at least three metres high to sweep through the city. two rival governments and thousands and thousands of lives lost. we will look at the rescue efforts and challenges following the disaster. text 85058. call me on 08085 909693, or you can tweet us @bbc5live. he is the news from bethan holmes.

there are fears the number of people who have died in the floods in libya could reach as many as 20,000. the mayor of the port city of derna says the estimate is based on the number of districts completely destroyed by sunday's disaster. 5,300 people are known to have died. detectives are questioning the three relatives of sara sharif who have been arrested on suspicion of murder after they arrived back in the uk from pakistan. they left britain last month — a day before the ten—year—old was found dead in surrey. the range has agreed a deal to buy wilko's brand and its website after it went into adminstration. it means wilko's name will not disappear for good, although thousands ofjobs will still be lost as wilko stores start shutting their doors. for the first time in a decade there's been a rise in the number of payments made using cash. although the figures show the number of cash transactions last year was still dwarfed by payments made on debit cards.

good morning. the floods in libya, what is going on? the pictures are horrifying. what is happening in the city of derna is terrifying and were so many bodies it is a massive public health issue with disease a serious threat. if there is light and any hope it is the news that the rival governments of the divided country appear to have put aside their differences for knowd to coordinate relief efforts. jaser asweri, good morning. coordinate relief efforts. jaser asweri, good morning.- coordinate relief efforts. jaser asweri, good morning. thank you.

toda i asweri, good morning. thank you. today i will— asweri, good morning. thank you. today i will try _ asweri, good morning. thank you. today i will try my _ asweri, good morning. thank you. today i will try my best _ asweri, good morning. thank you. today i will try my best to - asweri, good morning. thank you. today i will try my best to try - asweri, good morning. thank you. today i will try my best to try to i today i will try my best to try to answer the situation we have in derna and the east of libya and only 150 metres away from derna city and we have relatives there. when storm daniel it came to the area we had this very low level of preparations, it was focused in benghazi city which is my city and at left bank as a city and after that —— benghazi and then the problem is the low level of maintenance and repair so the dam was destructed which is

bringing all the water from all the rain and all the mountains and the city is a small city which is the mediterranean sea on the north side and on the south side the great green mountain so that was making the problem worse. the issue started from the flooding and then changed to be a very disastrous situation when the water dams destructed and made the flood to destroy everything to the sea. tell made the flood to destroy everything to the sea. , ., ., , to the sea. tell us about the dams. you see they _ to the sea. tell us about the dams. you see they were _ to the sea. tell us about the dams. you see they were inadequately - you see they were inadequately constructed. and not maintained. we are constructed. and not maintained. - are speaking about very old, i think they were made back in 1970. it has

to be renewal and maintenance and repair. reports mention they had to be maintained and have more things done and there were so many warnings reported before in previous years. backin reported before in previous years. back in 1950 or 1960, it happened, the flood was the same way but there were no buildings in that time but now there are buildings in the valley sides, all the buildings have been destroyed and swept and taken away to the sea. has been destroyed and swept and taken away to the sea-— away to the sea. has the upper dam broken? yes- _ away to the sea. has the upper dam broken? yes. as _ away to the sea. has the upper dam broken? yes. as the _ away to the sea. has the upper dam broken? yes. as the upper- away to the sea. has the upper dam broken? yes. as the upper dam - away to the sea. has the upper dam i broken? yes. as the upper dam broke, the lower broken? yes as the upper dam broke, the lower down would broken? 123 as the upper dam broke, the lower down would have had no chance because of the accumulation of water. you talk about in your

initial answer the low level of preparation for anything like this of this eventuality. could you tell me more about that, please? than? me more about that, please? any crisis like this _ me more about that, please? any crisis like this for _ me more about that, please? in; crisis like this for libya, we don't tend to have these natural disasters in these regions but now we are speaking about some stages that have to take place, for example was the response of the preparedness. there preparation was not always powerful. people had been warned to leave their houses, and we don't really know the dangers behind this. thank ou for know the dangers behind this. thank

you for now- — know the dangers behind this. thank you for now. amna _ know the dangers behind this. thank you for now. amna abullatif - know the dangers behind this. thank you for now. amna abullatif is - know the dangers behind this. thank you for now. amna abullatif is what is from manchester. you have family in benghazi. —— is with us. absolutely horrified. what you heard from your previous guest, really bad indication and information being shared with libyan residents and i have family in benghazi who knew the storm is coming and many thought it was going to hit benghazi badly but thankfully it did not although there was also fears about the dam in benghazi having damage and overfilling because of the storm. when i asked my family whether or not leaving many said we keep getting mixed information. some people tell us to evacuate another people tell us to evacuate another people tell us to evacuate another people tell us to stay and i feel probably the same happened in derna

because nobody took the storm seriously as it should have been taken by the authorities. to mejust to see the level of destruction of such a beautiful city and the number of people who have died in the numbers still missing, my own brother—in—law, a lot of his family who are from derna, nobody knows where they are and cousins and their children, it is horrific. whole generations of families completely being wiped stop the response has been really slow. from the authorities in libya, from the international community, it is only literally about 16 hours ago people started turning up to help get through the wreckage to try to find people. turkey yesterday was n and 30 people were saved from under the rubble and to me it is unprecedented to have something happen like this in libya and see response from it

has been horrifying.— has been horrifying. people are sa in: has been horrifying. people are saying catastrophic, _ has been horrifying. people are l saying catastrophic, apocalyptic. how much do you think exacerbated by political instability? the how much do you think exacerbated by political instability?— political instability? the political instability has _ political instability? the political instability has been _ political instability? the political instability has been there - political instability? the political instability has been there for - political instability? the political instability has been there for a l instability has been there for a long time. the lack of maintenance and the lack of infrastructure in libya. i was there many years ago after the revolution and i remember quite heavy rainfall then, honestly a sling of the storm, but there is no infrastructure, no underground infrastructure with sewage etc for that kind of weather, let alone to have a cyclone going through the country. but i think the political situation is an issue. but i think there is a massive problem around how we ensure we are responding to countries like libya who don't get a lot of air countries like libya who don't get a lot ofairtime, countries like libya who don't get a lot of air time, don't get a lot of response from the international

media often and it concerns me how slow the international aid and how we work with the authorities there has been. but obviously instability does not help anyone, unfortunately. but i think we really need to start thinking about how we build some of that infrastructure. for derna, a quarter of the city has been washed away. that will be decades upon decades of work that needs to happen in that city to recover from what has happened to this last week. i'm at it is an extreme weather event. hurricanes and storms such as this are an annual occurrence but this is quite extraordinary. i have never and i know libya and its history is never seen anything quite as extreme as this and i think part of the lack of preparation is the expectation. most of libya is the sahara desert

and you don't expect this kind of extreme weather conditions in libya and some of the lack of preparation isjust and some of the lack of preparation is just complete negligence and some of the lack of preparation isjust complete negligence in and some of the lack of preparation is just complete negligence in terms of the authorities not really understanding how huge this storm is going to be. i would ask for no response, a quick response. many people were posting yesterday when videos came out from derna, many are asking to be able to bury their loved ones and relatives and neighbours who are still under the rubble and a lot of that logistical support is not happen. lots of countries sent aid in terms of food and shelter but very little in terms of logistics support in getting people out from underneath all that rubble and find people missing and to do some of that rescue mission required no after this disaster. taste

required no after this disaster. we need to help people and provide aid and save lives but inevitably questions are being asked and you have raise some interest in important issues. there has been inadequate i read this morning there was a paper published last year by an expert in hydraulics who pointed out repeated flooding of the seasonal river bed was a threat to derna and if a huge flood happen is the result will be catastrophic of the result will be catastrophic of the city and he cited five flats since 1942 and called for immediate and regular maintenance of the dam. —— five flats. ——floods.

--floods. i don't think there is the attention or _ --floods. i don't think there is the attention or care _ --floods. i don't think there is the attention or care from _ --floods. i don't think there is the attention or care from the - attention or care from the authorities there to do anything about it and probably he thought somebody would listen but this is the story of libya and the instability it is then there is a lot of fighting in terms of who holds power and very little in terms of accountability for how those cities and towns across libya and managed and supported and taken cared of and you can see that in the responses from people in terms of what they have seen before what happened but also after and it saddens me. we have some brilliant people in libya, it isjust unfortunately they are not the ones making the decisions and offering that kind of support, even although they are offering examinations and their expertise on these issues. give us a brief summary of the

political instability post gaddaffi. there have been a lot of interim governments, mostly backed with the united nations in the city of tripoli. that has gone because there has been a lot of civil unrest inside the country and there was an attempted coup by the group that currently controls the eastern side of libya and that are currently at least two governments if not more, some controlling the east and another controlling the west. they don't seem to talk to each other or contribute to what is happening in the east and west. it is a very confusing nature i think in libya and has been for a long time but much of it, as you would in any country that has got rid of a dictator who has been there for many years, there was no real structure for government and so you have

everyone vying for those positions of power and that is what i mean, everyone is fighting for power but no one fighting for the accountability of what that means. currently in the east it is controlled by an former gaddaffi military man. the internationally recognised government of national unity is based in tripoli. jaser asweri, tell us about the aid effort. it jaser asweri, tell us about the aid effort. , ., ., ._ jaser asweri, tell us about the aid effort. , ., ., ., effort. it started from day one in ben . hazi effort. it started from day one in benghazi and — effort. it started from day one in benghazi and other _ effort. it started from day one in benghazi and other cities. - effort. it started from day one in benghazi and other cities. we i effort. it started from day one in i benghazi and other cities. we have huge efforts and also initiatives

from the community itself and on the government side. we are speaking about taking away every day and step—by—step from derna city and we are talking about 1300 monitors from tripoli to derna. —— kilometres. i’m tripoli to derna. -- kilometres. i'm auoin to tripoli to derna. -- kilometres. i'm going to i'm — tripoli to derna. —— kilometres. i'm going to i'm going to try to get a better line, i don't think you can hear me and we can't hear properly. we will come back to you. we will try to get back to him. we have lina

sinjab following this from beirut. tell us what you can, as the some hope the rival governments will come together? words different from deeds and both sides of call for international aid to arrive and the imaginations and internationally recognised government in tripoli have announced a readiness to send support and aid to the eastern government and there are reports of them talking to each other and coordinating. all of that will be clearer when manifested on the ground when it is going to arrive. this is a country, a war—torn country, a country that are

such failures with administration and if had although this catastrophe in the east is a natural catastrophe, there is also man responsibility and the dam situation, reportedly not in good conditions and about cracks reported to the government but no action was taken. it was hard to avoid the catastrophe and perhaps if there was some responsible government in place, the number could have been less of a dead. it is important to move on quickly and swiftly with the rescue operation and retrieving bodies on the ground and thousands are reported to have already died and the number is only expected to be higher and higher. the and the number is only expected to be higher and higher.— and the number is only expected to be higher and higher. the mayor has said it could —

be higher and higher. the mayor has said it could be _ be higher and higher. the mayor has said it could be up _ be higher and higher. the mayor has said it could be up to _ be higher and higher. the mayor has said it could be up to 20,000, - be higher and higher. the mayor hasj said it could be up to 20,000, which is horrifying. if said it could be up to 20,000, which is horrifying-— is horrifying. if you look at the satellite images _ is horrifying. if you look at the satellite images of _ is horrifying. if you look at the satellite images of derna - is horrifying. if you look at the l satellite images of derna before is horrifying. if you look at the - satellite images of derna before and after and neighbourhoods of completely disappeared and the flood took areas of the city and the residence all the way to the sea know the water is pushing back bodies to the shores. derna as a city of almost 100,000 people saw the figure of 20,000 could be even higher. we are hearing reports of 30,000 people no homeless would need shelter and clean water and food. this is not an operation that is going to take over night or a week, it will take months before the city is back on its feet with a priority no is retrieving dead bodies, especially feeling any disease spreading because of the corpses buried under the rubble or squashed with water. i buried under the rubble or squashed with water. .. ., ,

buried under the rubble or squashed with water. ., , ., with water. i reach out this morning as well to the _ with water. i reach out this morning as well to the libyan _ with water. i reach out this morning as well to the libyan community - with water. i reach out this morning as well to the libyan community in l as well to the libyan community in this country, wherever you are in the uk, get in touch and give us your thoughts on this. or anyone who has been to the affected area as well, your thoughts, your opinions and experiences and perceptions of all this would be really valuable. text 85058. call me on 08085 909693, or you can tweet us @bbc5live. words are all very well need for an effort to save lives on the ground.

how much of stop and actually saving lives will this be? it is our next only wadding such as when you do not have the coordinated effort. the histo of have the coordinated effort. the history of the — have the coordinated effort. tt2 history of the country tells us it will be difficult to see any good efforts manifested in cooperation between the two sides have only been fighting and that only has been violence between them, disagreeing and creating two different governments, one governing in the east and one in the west. this is a really different situation. both sides of coal this a disaster zone, unprecedented catastrophe and have already said they are willing to coordinate their efforts and are communicating with the united nations and we hear report from un representatives or sides are agreeing and even talking to each other but as i said, there is bureaucracy in these countries, even if they put their political differences aside, the bureaucracy will be a challenge. this lull in

responding to this processes will be a challenge. also it needs international expertise and rescue efforts with high standards something not available in libya but is available internationally with international organisations, some already on the ground but it is very important for both governments to facilitate and speed up operations for rescue to arrive in time to manage the damage rather than reduce it. a, ., manage the damage rather than reduce it. a, . ., ., manage the damage rather than reduce it. manage the damage rather than reduce it. thank _ it. manage the damage rather than reduce it. thank you _ it. manage the damage rather than reduce it. thank you so _ it. manage the damage rather than reduce it. thank you so much. - it. manage the damage rather than reduce it. thank you so much. amlj reduce it. thank you so much. aml barghuti works for unicef in tripoli. how do we facilitate and how do we speed up and help people and save lives? 0r

how do we speed up and help people and save lives? or we how do we speed up and help people and save lives? 0— and save lives? or we have collaborated _ and save lives? or we have collaborated closely - and save lives? or we have collaborated closely with i and save lives? or we have. collaborated closely with the government and our main partner on the ground and they are trying with the ground and they are trying with the rescue team and the local authorities to take people on the ground from the rubble. they are also trying to find safe roads for civilians for people in derna to get out of the city to be displaced to somewhere safer. also we are trying to provide life—saving materials to high degrees to affected people in all the eastern cities including shelters, food, accessible drinking water, also medical supplies and

medical referrals and medical kits. as we have heard, the threat of disease is looking and it is imminent and disease is looking and it is imminentand will disease is looking and it is imminent and will be devastating. taste imminent and will be devastating. we are preparing we have provided 32 tablets of purification chloride for a water treatment because we believe is the risk a high and a working" with the disease control and the ministry of health to launch campaign on measles and vitamins and

nutrition and also protruding water purification treatment sterilising kits. back how accessible is the city for humanitarian aid workers? it is very challenging and this is no the main challenge and maybe this was mentioned that the challenge is to get into the city. the roads have collapsed no and that is landfall and it is very hard to find an entrance. there are only note two entrances for the city and people and also rescue teams are trying to put a lot of difficulty to get in and also to get out of that city so this is the main challenge because

the effect was devastating and it is a big storm with two dams collapsed and the road collapsed and infrastructure is massively damaged, thatis infrastructure is massively damaged, that is the main challenge we have. it is a challenge but we also have a field office at benghazi, the main city in the east of libya and we have nine people working there are preparing no omission and plan and getting into days, tomorrow and after tomorrow to induct assessment for the city —— might conduct an assessment of the city and appeal for more funds for the infrastructure and more long—term fixing of the city but right now we are only concentrating on life—saving interventions unicef

appeal for six life—saving interventions unicef appealfor six .5 million for shelters and 20 water and cycle social support for children. and they are much affected and traumatised four days and it is also one of our priorities, psychological support as well as medical supplies and access to water. fiuch support as well as medical supplies and access to water.— and access to water. such a good oint, and access to water. such a good point. the _ and access to water. such a good point. the support _ and access to water. such a good point, the support needed - and access to water. such a good point, the support needed for. and access to water. such a good - point, the support needed for people to deal with the trauma and the immediate here and now. all in liverpool, you have experience something devastating. but firstly to sian from hull. t something devastating. but firstly to sian from hull.—

to sian from hull. i see it as our definin: to sian from hull. i see it as our defining moment. _ to sian from hull. i see it as our defining moment. why - to sian from hull. i see it as our defining moment. why so? - to sian from hull. i see it as our- defining moment. why so? because it brinrs defining moment. why so? because it brin . s these defining moment. why so? because it brings these opposing _ defining moment. why so? because it brings these opposing sides _ defining moment. why so? because it brings these opposing sides togetherl brings these opposing sides together in libya and you can see when the earthquake in morocco happened recently, it could be a defining moment in climate change and we can set aside our differences and work together in times of crisis. this set aside our differences and work together in times of crisis.- together in times of crisis. this is very idealistic— together in times of crisis. this is very idealistic and _ together in times of crisis. this is very idealistic and optimistic - together in times of crisis. this is very idealistic and optimistic and | very idealistic and optimistic and all of us listening to your words can only hope it is true. do you feel in your heart this can be the case and that it will be the case? imean... the i mean... the thing is, i mean, now times are getting more dramatic and

kind of dangerous as we go along, there is the threat of nuclear war. and climate change is getting worse. so people will get more sensible. i have this optimistic view that people will get more sensible and actually wake up to the sense that we might actually be our own worst threat, not some extra terrestrial thing or something. we are causing climate change and we may destroy ourselves. we need to work together and fix this problem. i'm not playing the blame game that it is one country's fault. but it's just we as people need to work together. a bit of a reality check but a bit of hope as well. thank you so much. great to hear from you this morning. please text and call. paul, what's

your experience? t please text and call. paul, what's your experience?— your experience? i was in the tsunami in — your experience? i was in the tsunami in 2004, _ your experience? i was in the tsunami in 2004, i _ your experience? i was in the tsunami in 2004, i was - your experience? i was in the tsunami in 2004, i was on i your experience? i was in the tsunami in 2004, i was on a l your experience? i was in the - tsunami in 2004, i was on a british supply ship when i was in the royal navy. supply ship when i was in the royal na . �* , it supply ship when i was in the royal navy-- it was _ supply ship when i was in the royal navy-- it was on _ supply ship when i was in the royal navy.- it was on boxing - supply ship when i was in the royall navy.- it was on boxing day, navy. blimey. it was on boxing day, wasn't it, navy. blimey. it was on boxing day, wasn't it. when _ navy. blimey. it was on boxing day, wasn't it, when that _ navy. blimey. it was on boxing day, wasn't it, when that happened. - navy. blimey. it was on boxing day, wasn't it, when that happened. we i wasn't it, when that happened. we all mobilised and went to sri lanka to aid people. when we got there, the problem there was again, there were two factions. you had the tamils fighting the government. it all came together, actually. the biggest thing, though, and it still bothers me, the biggest thing, and i can see it on the television, when we got there, i asked a nun at a

convent what she wanted and i was expecting food or electricity or whatever. but there were a disaster tour is coming from the other side of the island. that bothered me. it still bothers me to this day. security was a big one and it's what she asked for. we had to stay here. it takes a while to get this sorted out. but there should be straightaway, morocco, and hawaii is the same, morocco and libya. there were 20,000 people killed, and i think the priorities are wrong from all governments. don't forget, morocco is 17 miles from mainland

europe. libya is not too far away, it borders the mediterranean. so where are spain, france, italy, all those countries, why aren't they sending ships out there, helicopters with aid? the british as well. to the international community needs to absolutely step up, thank you, in the coming days, and the sooner the better, because of the devastation that has been wrought on that city and that country and the death toll to come, and the disease that the city will be stricken by as well. on the subject of the extreme weather, the subject of the extreme weather, the water was brought by storm daniel which hit on sunday. it is a mediterranean hurricane —like system

and it's too early to a tribute with certainty, whether it has been particularly bad because of rising temperatures but climate change is thought to be increasing the frequency of the strongest storms of this nature. we are talking about libya this morning, the floods and what is happening. get in touch. here is the news with bethan holmes. there are fears the number of people who have died in the floods in libya could reach as many as 20,000. the mayor of the devastated port city of derna says the estimate is based on the number of districts completely destroyed by sunday's disaster. surrey police are questioning sara sharif�*s dad, step—mum and uncle on suspicion of her murder after they arrived back to the uk from pakistan.

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to get your head around as well. we can say hello to rajini vaidyanathan from bbc verify. what have you been looking at? tt’s from bbc verify. what have you been lookin: at? �*, ., , from bbc verify. what have you been lookin: at? h . , ., ., ~ ., looking at? it's really hard to know what's going _ looking at? it's really hard to know what's going on — looking at? it's really hard to know what's going on on _ looking at? it's really hard to know what's going on on the _ looking at? it's really hard to know what's going on on the ground. - looking at? it's really hard to know. what's going on on the ground. there haven't been many international journalists that have been able to go in so we are relying on information that comes into us. the first thing we have been looking at at bbc verify, there is a team that does this every day, in some of the videos coming in. just to talk about how very loosely these things are verified, we know they are accurate, we might look at the geolocation to see where the map might track that video if it has a geo— tag. we might look at landmarks. 0ne video if it has a geo— tag. we might look at landmarks. one thing the team has been looking at, the mosque in derna is a big landmark, so using satellites, overhead maps and looking at some of the videos coming in off the discussion, you can see

the mosque in the background so that helps us know with more confidence that it helps us know with more confidence thatitis helps us know with more confidence that it is from derna. some of the videos we have seen are really devastating. there is one we have just verified that shows the coastal road of derna completely gone. it is hard to say, it is just devastating. you can see water rushing through, you can see what would have been a coastal road bridge completely gone, you can see tower blocks that look like a bomb has gone into them. it's amazing to think water can have so much power. we have those sorts of videos and we have been looking at those as one thing. bhd videos and we have been looking at those as one thing.— those as one thing. and also satellite imagery _ those as one thing. and also satellite imagery as - those as one thing. and also satellite imagery as well. i those as one thing. and also - satellite imagery as well. satellite ima . e satellite imagery as well. satellite imagery has _ satellite imagery as well. satellite imagery has been _ satellite imagery as well. satellite imagery has been crucial - satellite imagery as well. satellite imagery has been crucial in - satellite imagery as well. satellite imagery has been crucial in terms| satellite imagery as well. satellite l imagery has been crucial in terms of looking at the devastation. we can show you some of the before and after images of derna. the key thing about derna, there were two down and both were breached in the aftermath

of storm daniel, and that led to the floods. , , ., ., ., floods. the upper dam and lower dam, and when the — floods. the upper dam and lower dam, and when the upper _ floods. the upper dam and lower dam, and when the upper dam _ floods. the upper dam and lower dam, and when the upper dam had _ floods. the upper dam and lower dam, and when the upper dam had gone - and when the upper dam had gone there was no hope for the lower one. exactly. there was no hope for the lower one. exactl . ~ ., ., , there was no hope for the lower one. exactl . 2 . ., , exactly. water at the level is so powerful- _ exactly. water at the level is so powerful- it _ exactly. water at the level is so powerful. it is _ exactly. water at the level is so powerful. it is so _ exactly. water at the level is so powerful. it is so powerful- exactly. water at the level is so powerful. it is so powerful and. exactly. water at the level is so i powerful. it is so powerful and it's really hard. _ powerful. it is so powerful and it's really hard, there _ powerful. it is so powerful and it's really hard, there are _ powerful. it is so powerful and it's really hard, there are images - powerful. it is so powerful and it's| really hard, there are images that, for the listener is not watching on television, we have been looking at sets of satellite imagery. we can see the before. derna has a population of around 100,000. you can see lots of houses, it's a built—up area on the mediterranean and you can see the population density around the coast. then looking at the after pictures, it is just lots of mud, water, very few buildings left. 0ne just lots of mud, water, very few buildings left. one thing that struck me, we have two sets of satellite imaging we are looking at, and some are more detailed, i was looking at one of derna from before and you can see rows of cars parked outside houses, that's how good some of the satellite images are. looking

at the after picture, there is nothing, it is literallyjust brown water. it's really hard to understand when you are not on ground level but when you see something like that and you see there are 20 cars parked on a road, houses and a couple of office buildings and it is all gone between before and after, and there are images we are putting on the bbc website and live page. sometimes with satellite imaging, when you can't get there, it can give you a sense. i have been on the ground as a correspondent for a long time and you see things in a different way. the powerful thing about thing about satellite imaging, which we use at bbc verify, it gives you a sense of scale. the most staggering thing for me is to think 100,000 people were living right by that coast and when you look at the images and the videos as well, we have had satellite images showing the coastal road, then the video that paints a picture that it is alljust gone and we don't know how many people have

died. ,., , ., we don't know how many people have died. , ., . , ., we don't know how many people have died. . , died. reports of the cries of babies under the rubble _ died. reports of the cries of babies under the rubble this _ died. reports of the cries of babies under the rubble this morning - died. reports of the cries of babies under the rubble this morning too. | under the rubble this morning too. what you say there, a population of 90100,000, and what you say there, a population of 90 100,000, and the mayor of the city is saying a possible death toll of 20,000, that gives some perspective. of 20,000, that gives some perspective-— of 20,000, that gives some perspective. of 20,000, that gives some --ersective. ., , ., perspective. that is one in five it is true. perspective. that is one in five it is true- we _ perspective. that is one in five it is true. we have _ perspective. that is one in five it is true. we have discussed - perspective. that is one in five it is true. we have discussed a - perspective. that is one in five it is true. we have discussed a lot| perspective. that is one in five it l is true. we have discussed a lot on the bbc, it's hard to know what is and isn't coming out of libya in terms of facts. that's what local authorities are saying there. what we are trying to do at bbc verify is to see if we can corroborate that. the team is looking at satellite images, is trying to see what the buildings could have been and try to estimate the population densities in those areas and then see if that would match up if those particular areas were completely wiped away with that death toll, but it would only be a loose estimation. it's really difficult for anyone to know

how many people at this stage have died. ., ~' how many people at this stage have died. . ~ i. ., how many people at this stage have died. . ~ ., ., ., ., died. thank you ra'ini vaidyanathan from bbc verify. _ died. thank you rajini vaidyanathan from bbc verify. professor - died. thank you rajini vaidyanathan from bbc verify. professor liz - from bbc verify. professor liz stevens is here, an expert in climate resilience at reading university. good morning. it's an extreme weather situation. let's talk about the possible links to climate change. we have had a few texts on this and people saying let's notjump to conclusions, basically. here is a couple, the flooding and loss of life in libya is horrific and beyond words, but i sincerely hope the climate warriors, as this text puts it, don'tjump up and down on this. we need to remember this disaster was the result of two ageing downs that have burst and not some extreme climate —related weather event. another one, i think it's worth asking what would happen if the scale of the weather events seen in libya happened over the derwent

valley. there is a level of arrogance in saying it was due to instability. no. the rain event was off the scale and if that happened do we think the dams and flood reliance infrastructure would withstand it? the previous text, and there have been a few of them as well, how certain are we that this is in any way related to climate change? you are the expert. there are two aspects — change? you are the expert. there are two aspects here. _ change? you are the expert. there are two aspects here. there - change? you are the expert. there are two aspects here. there is - change? you are the expert. there are two aspects here. there is the | are two aspects here. there is the amount of rainfall that fell itself, and then there is the impacts we are seeing on the tragic scenes that are emerging from the ground. in general, with climate change, we would expect the frequency of these medicanes, these cyclones in the mediterranean, to decrease. but the storms that form, we would expect to become more intense and for them to have more rainfall. that actually paints quite a complicated picture. these dams that were built 50 years

ago now were there to protect the communities from floods that were happening around that time, so not as big in magnitude to this one. they also needed to consider what was a worst—case scenario in terms of rainfall when they were designed. putting maintenance aside, were they designed for something like this amount of rainfall that fell? when it comes to looking at the overall risk we might think those events that happened in the 50s might become less likely under climate change but when we think about building critical infrastructure that when it fails can have a catastrophic effect, we need to be building that infrastructure to be resilient to the very tail end of the scale. and if those kinds of events are going to become more severe under climate change then we need to consider that. it's actually

a very complicated picture. in terms of the rainfall from this cyclone, we would be reasonably confident that the rainfall totals were higher as a result of climate change. but without the dams there it's unlikely that the resultant flash flooding would have had the same kind of impact that we are seeing from the ground. we impact that we are seeing from the round. ~ ., impact that we are seeing from the i round, . ., ., ., 1’ impact that we are seeing from the round. ~ ., ., ., ~ ., ground. we are looking at live -ictures ground. we are looking at live pictures at _ ground. we are looking at live pictures at the _ ground. we are looking at live pictures at the moment, - ground. we are looking at live pictures at the moment, if. ground. we are looking at live - pictures at the moment, if anyone is watching on the telly. the record rainfall, how is that related to the warming seas?— rainfall, how is that related to the warmin: seas? ~ , ., ., ., warming seas? when you have warmer seas it gives — warming seas? when you have warmer seas it gives the _ warming seas? when you have warmer seas it gives the storm _ warming seas? when you have warmer seas it gives the storm more _ warming seas? when you have warmer seas it gives the storm more energy. l seas it gives the storm more energy. we know a warmer atmosphere can hold more water as well. we don't know much about the exact dynamics in this specific storm at this stage but we know climate change is supercharging these most severe of storms. ~ ., supercharging these most severe of storms. ~ . , , ., supercharging these most severe of storms. 2 . , , .,

storms. what exactly is a medicane? essentially it — storms. what exactly is a medicane? essentially it is _ storms. what exactly is a medicane? essentially it is a _ storms. what exactly is a medicane? essentially it is a term _ storms. what exactly is a medicane? essentially it is a term for _ storms. what exactly is a medicane? essentially it is a term for a - essentially it is a term for a cyclone or storm that happens in the mediterranean. it is not like a hurricane, but they call it a medicane because it's in the mediterranean sea. 50 medicane because it's in the mediterranean sea.- medicane because it's in the mediterranean sea. so we need to think carefully _ mediterranean sea. so we need to think carefully going _ mediterranean sea. so we need to think carefully going ahead - mediterranean sea. so we need to think carefully going ahead and i think carefully going ahead and concentrate on infrastructure and we need to be very worried about political instability in lots of different countries.- political instability in lots of different countries. yes, it's important — different countries. yes, it's important when _ different countries. yes, it's important when we - different countries. yes, it's important when we build i different countries. yes, it's| important when we build this different countries. yes, it's - important when we build this kind of infrastructure that they are a say plan for ongoing maintenance and ongoing monitoring as well. you wonder whether this amount of rainfall would have a similar impact in the derwent valley, asked one of your texts. we have had similar concerns in england in the past where we had concerns over the integrity of a dam and we saw a whole community evacuated downstream as a result of that monitoring the stop if you have those risk management plans in place you can

reduce the likelihood of seeing that kind of destruction. it's worth mentioning that your colleague from bbc verify was talking about the enormous power of the water but it's notjust enormous power of the water but it's not just water causing enormous power of the water but it's notjust water causing the damage, it's everything that is caught up in the violent floodwaters. it's not just a building being hammered by the water, it is being hammered by every other building that has been swept away upstream as well. we will have more to — swept away upstream as well. we will have more to talk _ swept away upstream as well. we will have more to talk about, _ swept away upstream as well. we will have more to talk about, so _ swept away upstream as well. we will have more to talk about, so don't - have more to talk about, so don't go far away. tim eaton is a libya expert from chatham house and we will talk to him shortly. a bit of breaking news, the number of people in england waiting to start routine hospital treatment has risen to a new record high. nhs england says an estimated 7.68 million people were waiting to start treatment at the end ofjuly, up from 7.85 7 million injune. this is the highest number since records began in august 2007. the prime minister made cutting

waiting lists one of his priorities in 2023 pledging injanuary that waiting lists one of his priorities in 2023 pledging in january that the lists would fall and people would get care they needed more quickly. more on this and the bbc news website and app throughout the day and also on 5 live. we are talking in this first hour about the flooding. what on earth is going on? tim eaton, hello, libya expert at chatham house.— tim eaton, hello, libya expert at. chatham house._ tell tim eaton, hello, libya expert at - chatham house._ tell us chatham house. good morning. tell us about the political— chatham house. good morning. tell us about the political instability. _ about the political instability. libya has been in a political stalemate for a number of years now. the last _ stalemate for a number of years now. the last point at which libya had a government which was recognised by all is 2014 _ government which was recognised by all is 2014. we have had outbreaks of violence. — all is 2014. we have had outbreaks of violence, a second and third wave effectively _ of violence, a second and third wave effectively of civil war. since 2021, — effectively of civil war. since 2021, while a unity government was created. _ 2021, while a unity government was created. it — 2021, while a unity government was created, it was supposed to bring the country to elections but it has focused _ the country to elections but it has focused instead on sustaining itself

and the _ focused instead on sustaining itself and the political recriminations have _ and the political recriminations have gone on and on among rival leaders _ have gone on and on among rival leaders and factions over who should be in control and effectively that has led — be in control and effectively that has led to— be in control and effectively that has led to a situation where libya has led to a situation where libya has two _ has led to a situation where libya has two rival governments and is practically— has two rival governments and is practically very fragmented in a political— practically very fragmented in a political sense. a very difficult political — political sense. a very difficult political context across the country and a _ political context across the country and a very — political context across the country and a very small amount of coordination among those entities in many— coordination among those entities in many places and that factors in to aggravate — many places and that factors in to aggravate all the aspects of this horrible — aggravate all the aspects of this horrible tragedy because of a lack of coordination and a lack of adequate funding and a lack of maintenance and investment that would _ maintenance and investment that would he — maintenance and investment that would be needed to keep up and prevent— would be needed to keep up and prevent such disasters from striking the population. prevent such disasters from striking the population-— the population. when gaddafi was 0 - osed the population. when gaddafi was o- osed in the population. when gaddafi was opposed in 2011. _ the population. when gaddafi was opposed in 2011, i _ the population. when gaddafi was opposed in 2011, i think, - the population. when gaddafi was opposed in 2011, i think, was - the population. when gaddafi was| opposed in 2011, i think, was there an obvious alternative government then? ., . , an obvious alternative government then? ., ., , ., then? unfortunately because a dictatorship —

then? unfortunately because a dictatorship or _ then? unfortunately because a dictatorship or top _ then? unfortunately because a dictatorship or top is _ then? unfortunately because a dictatorship or top is such - then? unfortunately because a dictatorship or top is such as i dictatorship or top is such as gaddafi's. _ dictatorship or top is such as gaddafi's, it doesn't allow for the creation — gaddafi's, it doesn't allow for the creation and development of alternatives so the system of government that was created was centred _ government that was created was centred around gaddafi as an individual and his clique. that's what _ individual and his clique. that's what held — individual and his clique. that's what held sway in the country's institutions. following the overthrow of gaddafi the different elements of the libyan political scene _ elements of the libyan political scene kind of came together and were able to— scene kind of came together and were able to get— scene kind of came together and were able to get on the same page in terms _ able to get on the same page in terms of— able to get on the same page in terms of elections but from that point _ terms of elections but from that point onwards, in terms of what kind of country— point onwards, in terms of what kind of country they wanted to build, there _ of country they wanted to build, there have been major disagreements and turf— there have been major disagreements and turf battles. from that point onwards— and turf battles. from that point onwards we have seen the capacity of the state _ onwards we have seen the capacity of the state lessen and lessen. unfortunately it has become a very predatory— unfortunately it has become a very predatory political economy where the elites — predatory political economy where the elites are taking money out of the elites are taking money out of the oil— the elites are taking money out of the oil sector and keeping it for themselves. much of that is and while _ themselves. much of that is and while there is optimism at the

beginning much of that has drained and at _ beginning much of that has drained and at the — beginning much of that has drained and at the moment it feels like libya _ and at the moment it feels like libya is — and at the moment it feels like libya is in _ and at the moment it feels like libya is in a stalemate with no fully— libya is in a stalemate with no fully a — libya is in a stalemate with no fully a pathway out.— libya is in a stalemate with no fully a pathway out. there are huge levels of corruption. _ fully a pathway out. there are huge levels of corruption. yes. _ levels of corruption. yes. absolutely. _ levels of corruption. yes. absolutely. we _ levels of corruption. yes. absolutely. we have - levels of corruption. yes. | absolutely. we have seen levels of corruption. yes. - absolutely. we have seen this in particular— absolutely. we have seen this in particular with the current prime minister. — particular with the current prime minister, who is likely a billionaire on a state salary. we have _ billionaire on a state salary. we have seen— billionaire on a state salary. we have seen major flows of money out of state _ have seen major flows of money out of state institutions and the enrichment of oligarchs in the country — enrichment of oligarchs in the country. at the same time, while people _ country. at the same time, while people are — country. at the same time, while people are paid and most people are employed _ people are paid and most people are employed by the state, the cost of living _ employed by the state, the cost of living has — employed by the state, the cost of living has increased significantly. people _ living has increased significantly. people have been denied regular things— people have been denied regular things such as subsidised fuels. i was speaking to a doctor who spoke to me _ was speaking to a doctor who spoke to me and _ was speaking to a doctor who spoke to me and the best funded tripoli hospitai— to me and the best funded tripoli hospital that there was no oxygen and that— hospital that there was no oxygen and that was because he said the

officials — and that was because he said the officials had sought to source their own oxygen and sell it at ten times the price _ own oxygen and sell it at ten times the price in— own oxygen and sell it at ten times the price in the system. we see in libya _ the price in the system. we see in libya issues — the price in the system. we see in libya issues around a shutdown and issues _ libya issues around a shutdown and issues with— libya issues around a shutdown and issues with private groups and even human— issues with private groups and even human smuggling sides. we don't see the gradual— human smuggling sides. we don't see the gradual and training impact of this crisis— the gradual and training impact of this crisis on the population which has been — this crisis on the population which has been growing and growing over the years — has been growing and growing over the years. tell has been growing and growing over the ears. , ., ,., ., the years. tell us about the two rival administrations _ the years. tell us about the two rival administrations in - the years. tell us about the two rival administrations in the - the years. tell us about the two rival administrations in the east| rival administrations in the east and west, the government of national unity being that recognised by the united nations and the international community. what are the differences between the two rival governments? the government of national unity was created. _ the government of national unity was created, appointed by a un created body to— created, appointed by a un created body to create a unified government in order— body to create a unified government in order to _ body to create a unified government in order to prepare the country for elections —

in order to prepare the country for elections. but the circumstances around _ elections. but the circumstances around that appointment were mired in a lot— around that appointment were mired in a lot of— around that appointment were mired in a lot of controversy, a lot of allegations of vote buying and corruption in that process. in fact the un _ corruption in that process. in fact the un investigation into that never became _ the un investigation into that never became public, which is a real source — became public, which is a real source of— became public, which is a real source of contention for the libyan population — source of contention for the libyan population. and since everybody agreed _ population. and since everybody agreed on that government it didn't really— agreed on that government it didn't really work— agreed on that government it didn't really work towards bringing elections. the majority of the political— elections. the majority of the political elite haven't really wanted _ political elite haven't really wanted elections. they have focused on a negotiation to replace that government with another government that usually includes one of their people — that usually includes one of their people. the government of national unity sits— people. the government of national unity sits in— people. the government of national unity sits in tripoli, it controls very— unity sits in tripoli, it controls very little _ unity sits in tripoli, it controls very little in terms of ground and negotiates with a large number of armed _ negotiates with a large number of armed factions in order to function. the authorities in the east basically rejected the existence of the government of national unity and said parliament needed to form a new

government, which it did in also controversial circumstances, so it operates — controversial circumstances, so it operates in— controversial circumstances, so it operates in the east but without access _ operates in the east but without access to — operates in the east but without access to resources. the coffers of the state _ access to resources. the coffers of the state remain all in tripoli so this leads — the state remain all in tripoli so this leads to a situation which will aggravate — this leads to a situation which will aggravate the response to the crisis whereby— aggravate the response to the crisis whereby there will be a dispute over who should be responding, particularly in the medium and long term, _ particularly in the medium and long term, how— particularly in the medium and long term, how they should mobilise those funds and _ term, how they should mobilise those funds and who will be involved in those _ funds and who will be involved in those decisions. all of the aspects of this— those decisions. all of the aspects of this crisis are just magnified by these _ of this crisis are just magnified by these deeply entrenched divisions. the fact— these deeply entrenched divisions. the fact that these governments are not really _ the fact that these governments are not really substantively in control of much — not really substantively in control of much. as not really substantively in control of much. �* , ., ., not really substantively in control of much. a ., ., ., not really substantively in control of much. �* , ., ., ., ., of much. as an overview, someone who has looked at — of much. as an overview, someone who has looked at the _ of much. as an overview, someone who has looked at the situation _ of much. as an overview, someone who has looked at the situation in _ of much. as an overview, someone who has looked at the situation in libya - has looked at the situation in libya for a long time, is this a template example of, if you get rid of a despot strongman you have to know, you are creating a power vacuum and you are creating a power vacuum and you are creating a power vacuum and you are creating a strong possibility of chaos for years to

come. we seem to see that again and again. come. we seem to see that again and aaain. , . ., , 1' come. we seem to see that again and aain. , . . , ~' �*, again. yes, certainly. ithink it's again. yes, certainly. ithink it's a bit of a _ again. yes, certainly. ithink it's a bit of a dilemma, _ again. yes, certainly. ithink it's a bit of a dilemma, you - again. yes, certainly. ithink it's a bit of a dilemma, you are - again. yes, certainly. ithink it's- a bit of a dilemma, you are between a bit of a dilemma, you are between a rock— a bit of a dilemma, you are between a rock and _ a bit of a dilemma, you are between a rockand a— a bit of a dilemma, you are between a rock and a hard place because it is clear— a rock and a hard place because it is clear that — a rock and a hard place because it is clear that all autocracy such as gaddafi's— is clear that all autocracy such as gaddafi's will eventually run into the rocks — gaddafi's will eventually run into the rocks in the way that it operates _ the rocks in the way that it operates in prioritising and privileging certain people. and really— privileging certain people. and really violating the rights of the population overall. that's not the kind of— population overall. that's not the kind of political system that is equipped to respond to challenges and deliver for its people. but when that order— and deliver for its people. but when that order that it has created is based — that order that it has created is based upon fear and repression and not upon _ based upon fear and repression and not upon building capacity and developing, when you try to change that situation, then it is likely to -et that situation, then it is likely to get worse — that situation, then it is likely to get worse before it gets better. i think— get worse before it gets better. i think unfortunately libya wasn't doomed — think unfortunately libya wasn't doomed to follow this path. rather it fell— doomed to follow this path. rather it fell off— doomed to follow this path. rather it fell off the path and didn't get the represent support it needed. ——

the represent support it needed. —— the requisite — the represent support it needed. —— the requisite support. when you listen _ the requisite support. when you iisten to— the requisite support. when you listen to libyans now you will hear a lot of— listen to libyans now you will hear a lot of complaints that not only has the — a lot of complaints that not only has the west not paid attention, but rival countries that have intervened in libya, _ rival countries that have intervened in libya, backing one side or the other, _ in libya, backing one side or the other, making conflicts worse, so rather— other, making conflicts worse, so rather than — other, making conflicts worse, so rather than pushing it in the right direction — rather than pushing it in the right direction, one can argue that many of the _ direction, one can argue that many of the problems libya currently possesses are based upon the problems of international agendas, so that— problems of international agendas, so that makes this worse as well, the inability of internationals to -et the inability of internationals to get on — the inability of internationals to get on the same page and push a process — get on the same page and push a process, particularly under the un, is notable. — process, particularly under the un, is notable, and the un seems weak in libya is notable, and the un seems weak in libya now _ is notable, and the un seems weak in lib a now. ., is notable, and the un seems weak in lib a now. . , ,., ., . libya now. that is diplomatic su - ort libya now. that is diplomatic support in — libya now. that is diplomatic support in a _ libya now. that is diplomatic support in a sense, - libya now. that is diplomatic support in a sense, but - libya now. that is diplomatic support in a sense, but what| libya now. that is diplomatic - support in a sense, but what about financial support and aid and getting back to this situation? how easy or difficult will it be to get in there? tt easy or difficult will it be to get in there? , ' . in there? it will be difficult, it is difficult. — in there? it will be difficult, it is difficult. we _ in there? it will be difficult, it is difficult. we are _ in there? it will be difficult, it is difficult. we are hearing i in there? it will be difficult, it - is difficult. we are hearing reports not only— is difficult. we are hearing reports not only in— is difficult. we are hearing reports not only in terms of where planes can land. — not only in terms of where planes can land, roads people can traverse,

but the _ can land, roads people can traverse, but the complicated state structures and confused state structures i mentioned, something like 140 state institutions are divided between east and — institutions are divided between east and west, so who do you speak to, how— east and west, so who do you speak to, how do _ east and west, so who do you speak to, how do you speak to them? when it comes _ to, how do you speak to them? when it comes to— to, how do you speak to them? when it comes to money, libya is a middle income _ it comes to money, libya is a middle income country and should be able to fund these _ income country and should be able to fund these things itself. unfortunately, this shift to a predatory economy whereby funds and revenues— predatory economy whereby funds and revenues made from oil and gas are going _ revenues made from oil and gas are going straight out into the pockets of the _ going straight out into the pockets of the elite rather than reaching the people, it will be a problem as well with— the people, it will be a problem as well with the response. i am sure there _ well with the response. i am sure there will— well with the response. i am sure there will be office of international support, but what mechanisms can the libyan state put in place _ mechanisms can the libyan state put in place to— mechanisms can the libyan state put in place to actually do this and what _ in place to actually do this and what capacity does it have to respond _ what capacity does it have to respond to this crisis and also how is it going — respond to this crisis and also how is it going to allocate money without _ is it going to allocate money without it becoming a bonanza for further— without it becoming a bonanza for further corruption?— further corruption? absolutely. thank you _ further corruption? absolutely. thank you very _ further corruption? absolutely. thank you very much _ further corruption? absolutely. thank you very much indeed. i further corruption? absolutely. thank you very much indeed. a

bonanza forfurther thank you very much indeed. a bonanza for further corruption, tim eaton, a libya expert at chatham house. it's time to say goodbye to viewers on bbc news and bbc two. feel in your heart this can be the case and that it will be the case? live from london, this is bbc news assistance begins to arrive in the libyan city of derna amid fears that the number of people who died in the catastrophic flood

could reach as many as 20,000. this could reach as many as 20,000. is the scene live i morning this is the scene live in derna this morning as the search and rescue mission continues. back in britain, and arrested on suspicion of murder — detectives are to begin questioning three relatives of ten—year—old sara sharif. the number of people in england waiting to start routine hospital treatment has risen to a new record high. two women arrested at a vigil for the murdered woman sarah everard secure what their lawyer describes as substantial payouts from the metropolitan police force. hello, i'm lukwesa burak. more international help is arriving for libya, where it's feared as many as 20,000 people may have died