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it as well. minister talking about it as well. in terms of politics as well. i haven't come across many american xl bully. the ones i have come across, some have been lovely and some not some have been lovely and some not so much. but remember, pit bulls were the devil dogs of yesterday. we now seem to have moved on to american xl bully. since the dangerous dogs act was introduced in 1991, effectively outlawing four types of dog, dog types have not come down. there are many people seeing breed specific legislation is ineffective. what is the point of adding another dog that list? an adding another dog that list? an interesting point. one that i put to one of our guests who came on just before you. could this just push people into beating a different type of dangerous dog? are we going to see something else pop up next? there is always the latest fashion dog. david ryan, a behaviourist, he
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produced some research for many years ago that listed the dog is most likely to bit a stranger and the dogs most likely to pit their owner. i think it —— and it was the most likely to bit their owner. the pit bull was number 19 on the list. make of that what you will. absolutely. thank you very much for coming on the show and sharing your insight. dogs, are you seeing many of these dangerous dogs been given by their owners? we dangerous dogs been given by their owners? ~ . , ., . ., , owners? we have seen an increase in the last coume _ owners? we have seen an increase in the last couple of— owners? we have seen an increase in the last couple of weeks _ owners? we have seen an increase in the last couple of weeks of— owners? we have seen an increase in the last couple of weeks of the - owners? we have seen an increase in the last couple of weeks of the last . the last couple of weeks of the last month, we are getting 20 calls a day
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on average, people wanting to relinquish these breeds. they are people who have mainly had them for a week, or they may have had them, typically these dogs are between one and two years old, dogs that were border post—lockdown and they are now fully sized, 50 kilograms dogs, often young girls on their own or with young babies, they cannot manage them. that is typically the cause, and we are up to about 20 a day we are being offered. what day we are being offered. what ha--ens day we are being offered. what happens when _ day we are being offered. what happens when an _ day we are being offered. what happens when an owner- day we are being offered. what happens when an owner hand their dog in and you see it is a dangerous dog? what happens to that dog? how dog? what happens to that dog? how do you deal with a dangerous dog? well, we are sadly having to say no because we cannot take 20 per day, particularly if we have already been told they are dangerous. so what happens is they inevitably will end “p happens is they inevitably will end up loose on the streets, which is often where you see these attacks because they are just tied up
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outside a shop or a park, and then may be let off the leash, or end up with the dog warden services in the boroughs. and then they will be offered to the various charities in those boroughs if the wardens feel they are safe enough to offer out. i think what people do not realise, a lot of these dogs are being bred in flats on estates, and they are left on their own for days on end, they are used for breeding, kept in cages or creates most of the time, they are underweight, and socialised, only out for a ten minute walk a day, when it needs a minimum of an hour, may be two hours exercise per day, and they are not being socialised. the people or calling us sing, the dog has grown too big. well, you have bought an xl bully. they have often got kids, no money, the dogs are thousands of pounds to buy online, and our concern is how easy it is to get these dogs online
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or however you purchase a dog these days, and we just cannot cope with the amount of calls, and we are having to say people, sorry, we cannot help. charities who are taking these dogs in, they are hard to home, because we have to be responsible, we can only help them to people we do not feel they will be a danger to, and those homes are not out there, it is a post pandemic crisis almost and was very predictable as far as we are concerned.— predictable as far as we are concerned. . ., ., , concerned. have you had any brought into our concerned. have you had any brought into your shelter? _ concerned. have you had any brought into your shelter? how _ concerned. have you had any brought into your shelter? how have - concerned. have you had any brought into your shelter? how have they - into your shelter? how have they been? what is the temperament to like? ., ., ., , been? what is the temperament to like? ., . ., , have like? some of them are lovely. have ou come like? some of them are lovely. have you come across _ like? some of them are lovely. have you come across any? _ like? some of them are lovely. have you come across any? we _ like? some of them are lovely. have you come across any? we come - like? some of them are lovely. have l you come across any? we come across lots, you come across any? we come across lots. because — you come across any? we come across lots, because there _ you come across any? we come across lots, because there are _ you come across any? we come across lots, because there are hundreds - lots, because there are hundreds waiting in the pounds to come in for rescue, so before dogs cut out normally what happens, before they get into registered charities, they are given to dog wardens, so the wardens will keep them for seven days, and ifan wardens will keep them for seven days, and if an owner doesn't come
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forward, which in most of these cases they do not, even if they are chipped, they are either put to sleep or if the charity will take them in, but we cannot take all those dogs in. of course, we have taken a certain amount in. some of them have been lovely. but they are a large breed, and by the time they come into us, they have often had three or four microphones before they reach a charity, they are confused, scared. they are underfed, a lot of them are used for breeding, the females used time and again for breeding, so they are let out with someone who was not experienced enough or a young mum who has also got three kids with a pram, and one of those dogs is let loose and it is out of control, you can see where an accident may occur. just out of control, you can see where an accident may occur.— accident may occur. just stay with us, i accident may occur. just stay with us. i want — accident may occur. just stay with us. i want to _ accident may occur. just stay with us, i want to remind _ accident may occur. just stay with us, i want to remind viewers - accident may occur. just stay with us, i want to remind viewers who | us, i want to remind viewers who have just tuned
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us, i want to remind viewers who havejust tuned in, you us, i want to remind viewers who have just tuned in, you are watching bbc news, we are sticking with our top story today, the announcement by the uk prime minister that the government will ban the american xl bully dog, and i'm joined by a representative from the all dogs matter charity. 0ne representative from the all dogs matter charity. one of the big discussions will be, can we really blame the dog for this? isn't it up to the breeders? should the government be addressing the owners' behaviour here?— behaviour here? totally, our biggest bu~bear, if behaviour here? totally, our biggest bugbear. if you _ behaviour here? totally, our biggest bugbear, if you like, _ behaviour here? totally, our biggest bugbear, if you like, are _ behaviour here? totally, our biggest bugbear, if you like, are the - bugbear, if you like, are the breeders. you can buy or get for free one of these dogs, anyone can go online now, i will not say the names of the sort of sites, but anyone can go online now and pick up one of these dogs, you can buy a puppy' 0" one of these dogs, you can buy a puppy, oryou one of these dogs, you can buy a puppy, or you can get one of these dogs, you can buy a puppy, or you can get one one of these dogs, you can buy a puppy, or you can get one that is maybe a year old, no questions asked. in principle, a 12—year—old could see an advert online, knock on
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the door of someone's house that is selling them and walk away with the dog, it is as simple as that. it is like getting a car that has not had an mot, driving down a hill without having its brakes tested. we would like to focus on the way these dogs are being purchased or bought or given away online with no checks whatsoever. they can be sold for thousands of pounds online. that advert might cost £10, may be maximum. a lot of the time the advert is free. so you're getting people selling litters of puppies, they can and £50,000 off a letter, so why would they not carry on breeding them when they are making so much money? tax free, no checking, no licences, it is that easy to get one of these dogs. as we have said before, a jack russell or a pomeranian can bite you, but it is not going to be such an impact, you
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know, it is not going to kill you. and it is not only people, it is other dogs as well. if one of these dogsis other dogs as well. if one of these dogs is out of control in the park, or they slip the lead, and it wants to get hold of another dog, if it hasn't been socialised, it is people's pets that can also be attacked. we people's pets that can also be attacked. ~ ., people's pets that can also be attacked. ~ . ., ~ ., attacked. we are talking about the breeders now. _ attacked. we are talking about the breeders now, and _ attacked. we are talking about the breeders now, and we _ attacked. we are talking about the breeders now, and we were - attacked. we are talking about the i breeders now, and we were speaking to other guests earlier, do you think that we are just going to see... we have seen other dogs being banned in the past, do you think that once the bully xl dog is banned, which it has been, breeders willjust move on to something else? possibly, i mean the xl bully has taken off where the staffordshire bull terrier was deemed a problem ten years ago, you do not see many of them now, it is mainly these xl bullies with a head like a watermelon. i would like to think
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the market is pretty saturated. everyone has got a dog now, whether it is a cockerpoo 0re xl bully. we do keep an eye on the online sites and prices seem to be drug ring, and we would like to think that if there is no market for these dogs in the market is diminishing, because of the amount of calls we are getting people not wanting them means there's less of a market out there, it probably move onto something else, as it will with the designer breeds as well. but we are hoping that, particularly with these stories and you must remember that breeders who are breeding these dogs are not really breeders, they are hobbyists who are selling dogs from home, they have often never sold dogs before, and they have just decided to have a litter of puppies and sell them at home. so if they are nervous about having a knock on the door from the police because they are seen as selling them,
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hopefully it will take deal would help put a stop to it. —— hopefully it would help put a stop to it. thank you forjoining us here on bbc news. let's get more on the legal aspects of this with trevor cooper, a solicitor in dog law, talk me through the legalities surrounding having a dangerous dog and what can happen if you are caught with one. well, if your dog is dangerously out of control, so somebody reasonably phase injury from that dog, then thatis phase injury from that dog, then that is a criminal offence, and that applies to any breed of dog, and that has been the case ever since 1991. if the dog goes on to injure a person, it is an aggravated offence, it is more serious, and it can lead
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to imprisonment of up to five years, and up to 1a years if the victim should die. so what the prime minister is announcing his and ban, so it is going further than what we have for any other type of dog, so very specifically singling out the xl bully, and we will have to see the exact nature of what is being banned, so we need to see a definition of which dog is actually being referred to, and then hopefully there will be an exemption scheme, so if somebody has one of these types of dog, provided that these types of dog, provided that the dog is safe and they are a responsible owner, there should be an exemption scheme so that they could then lawfully keep the dog. but at the moment, that hasn't been mentioned, so we will have to wait to see the detail.— to see the detail. how much responsibility _ to see the detail. how much responsibility would - to see the detail. how much responsibility would you - to see the detail. how much responsibility would you say | to see the detail. how much - responsibility would you say the law
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places on owners to promote responsible dog ownership and training? responsible dog ownership and trainin: ? ~ ., ., responsible dog ownership and trainin: ? ~ . ., ., training? well, at the moment, and the lawjust — training? well, at the moment, and the lawjust kicks _ training? well, at the moment, and the lawjust kicks in _ training? well, at the moment, and the lawjust kicks in after _ training? well, at the moment, and the lawjust kicks in after an - the lawjust kicks in after an incident has taken place. so the section three offence, if a dog is dangerously out of control, that applies after there is an incident. so it would be nice to think that every dog owner was going to be responsible, but they are not, and perhaps as an alternative to going through this extension of breed specific legislation, it would be better to put more responsibility on the dog owner, perhaps make sure that they are a fit and proper person to have charge of a dog before they get one. so perhaps the emphasis should be placed more on the dog owner and less on just looking at what the dog looks like, because if it goes the same way as the law on pit bull terriers, then the law on pit bull terriers, then the dogs will be condemned just for their measurements, which is ridiculous. tell about so do you
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think there should be some kind of legal aspect to getting a dog? a lot obviously, you have got to register a dog, but should there be legal checks put in place for somebody if they want to get a pet? i checks put in place for somebody if they want to get a pet?— they want to get a pet? i think that they want to get a pet? i think that the time has _ they want to get a pet? i think that the time has come _ they want to get a pet? i think that the time has come for _ they want to get a pet? i think that the time has come for us _ they want to get a pet? i think that the time has come for us to - they want to get a pet? i think that the time has come for us to put - they want to get a pet? i think that i the time has come for us to put more responsibility on owners, and if that means sitting a responsible dog ownership because it so to show that they know the rudiments of how to look after a dog what the basic laws are, and perhaps first aid, then i think that would be a good thing. i encourage everyone to have better understanding of their pets and of course make sure that the dog is appropriately trained and socialised, and that should start at the very beginning up having a dog. but it is never too late, so if anyone does not have the dog adequately trained, then please do so. but i would say that a lot of
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dog owners have already been phoning my office this afternoon in absolute panic, because they have an xl bully that has never done anything wrong, and they are very frightened about what they are supposed to do now. at the moment, i cannot give them any assurance at all about what this law is actually going to entail, because we need to see the detail. if it is actually going to entail, because we need to see the detail.- we need to see the detail. if it was auoin to we need to see the detail. if it was going to follow _ we need to see the detail. if it was going to follow in _ we need to see the detail. if it was going to follow in the _ we need to see the detail. if it was going to follow in the footsteps - we need to see the detail. if it was going to follow in the footsteps of| going to follow in the footsteps of other dogs who have been banned from the uk, then what would it mean for dogs who people who own xl bullies who are calling you up today, saying what do i do?— what do i do? when the dangerous dos what do i do? when the dangerous do . s act what do i do? when the dangerous dogs act first _ what do i do? when the dangerous dogs act first came _ what do i do? when the dangerous dogs act first came in _ what do i do? when the dangerous dogs act first came in in _ what do i do? when the dangerous dogs act first came in in 1991, - dogs act first came in in 1991, owners of the prescribed types of dog were given options. they could either have them exempted, so that is having them neutered and complying with conditions, or they could choose to have the dog put down, in which case they were paid a modest amount of compensation for
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that. but since 1997, it has been possible through the court to allow a dog to be exempted from the ban provided the owner can prove that the dog would not constitute a danger to public safety. so if they are going to introduce a ban, the least worst position as far as i am concerned would be to allow for there to be an exemption scheme provided the owner can show that it is going to be a responsibly looked after dog and that the dog is well behaved. we shouldn't be assuming every xl bully is dangerous, and we shouldn't be assuming that every owner is irresponsible.— owner is irresponsible. talking about the legal _ owner is irresponsible. talking about the legal side _ owner is irresponsible. talking about the legal side of - owner is irresponsible. talking about the legal side of things, | owner is irresponsible. talking i about the legal side of things, we are seeing more and more dogs being banned over the years, and as we are saying is, out dog fences are on the rise i am just looking at our bbc live page that viewers can't look at as well, where we have live
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reporting from reporters across the bbc, that says there are more offences recorded of injuries caused by out—of—control dogs, more than 22,000 in a recent survey. do you think the bands are working? breed secific think the bands are working? breed specific legislation _ think the bands are working? breed specific legislation has _ think the bands are working? breed specific legislation has not - think the bands are working? be» specific legislation has not worked, because what you have been describing is that any breed of dog is capable of injuring somebody. so evenif is capable of injuring somebody. so even if this ban were to be introduced, and 0k, even if this ban were to be introduced, and ok, maybe that particular type of dog would be removed from our streets, but people will get other types of dog, and somebody who is specifically looking for a dog of a particular type which perhaps makes them look hard or whatever their reasoning may be, they will just go whatever their reasoning may be, they willjust go on to another type of dog. so we really do need a root and branch review of the laws that
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we have, they are not fit for purpose now, they haven't been fit for purpose since 1991, and just adding another type of dog to at least of breeds is not going to resolve the issue. it is like putting a sticking plaster over it. yeah, and we are talking about the breeding of the dogs. well, how does the law regulates breeders, and do you think that is the area that needs to be addressed, rather than the owners? it is needs to be addressed, rather than the owners?— the owners? it is another area to look at. the owners? it is another area to look at- the _ the owners? it is another area to look at. the government - the owners? it is another area to | look at. the government changed the owners? it is another area to - look at. the government changed the laws on breeding in 2018, and they reduced the litter test, so they reduced the litter test, so they reduce the number of letters that you need before you could be licensed, so that was good, but perhaps we need to look at that again and to get rid of these irresponsible backstreet breeders that are still out there, and the public needs to report concerns to
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the local authority, because without that information, they cannot be closed down.— closed down. 0k, well, trevor coo er, closed down. 0k, well, trevor cooper. a _ closed down. 0k, well, trevor cooper, a solicitor— closed down. 0k, well, trevor cooper, a solicitor in - closed down. 0k, well, trevor cooper, a solicitor in dog - closed down. 0k, well, trevor cooper, a solicitor in dog law, | cooper, a solicitor in dog law, thank you very much for your thoughts and insight here on bbc news. time to say goodbye to our viewers in the uk, we arejoining our team on bbc world, handing over to them. would provide housing for many families that have been living in makeshift camps over the last couple of days since the earthquake hit this country, but the question is, how long this plan will take to be executed or to fully come into place, how much it is going to cost, and whether or not the moroccan government or the moroccan state will be able to hand them this whole reconstruction plan, because we are talking about 50,000 houses here
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that has been fully or partially damaged, so will the resources in this country be enough to re—how�*s all of these people that have been left homeless because of the earthquake? so far, morocco have received aid from only four countries, including the uk, it has been very selective in receiving aid from abroad. the un secretary—general was speaking a while ago, and he said he expects morocco to request aid, whether today or tomorrow, so there are a lot of questions that accompany this reconstruction plan, there are many children at risk, according to unicef, that said there are 100,000 children who have been affected by the earthquake. the school year is going to start next monday, and there are lots of children whose schools have been totally destroyed, and what future awaits them! —— what
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future awaits them, the answer is yet to be known. this future awaits them, the answer is yet to be known.— future awaits them, the answer is yet to be known. as you speak, we are watching _ yet to be known. as you speak, we are watching people _ yet to be known. as you speak, we are watching people file _ yet to be known. as you speak, we are watching people file into - yet to be known. as you speak, we are watching people file into a - are watching people file into a mosque for friday prayers, people behind on bicycles, ordinary life continues, you havejust arrived in the country, i know, what has struck you about how people come together and how people are dealing with what has happened. i and how people are dealing with what has happened-— has happened. i was 'ust talking to a policeman. h has happened. i was 'ust talking to a policeman, and — has happened. i was 'ust talking to a policeman, and he — has happened. i wasjust talking to a policeman, and he said - has happened. i wasjust talking to a policeman, and he said he - has happened. i wasjust talking to a policeman, and he said he is - a policeman, and he said he is becoming a volunteer in a local ngo providing aid to remote villages, he said this is a national duty, that is what he genuinely believes, he says the hardest hit people are not in marrakesh but in the mountainous regions, the very small villages across the high atlas mountains, so volunteers are mobilising to provide
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them with shelter, food and water, so it is notjust the government here, it is local people who have organised them. find here, it is local people who have organised them.— here, it is local people who have organised them. and we see live ictures organised them. and we see live pictures from — organised them. and we see live pictures from a _ organised them. and we see live pictures from a tourist _ organised them. and we see live pictures from a tourist town, - organised them. and we see live | pictures from a tourist town, once very busy, very popular, near the epicentre of the earthquake, and it has been devastating for people there, a lot of damage, and you can see people in a displacement camp just trying to live the day as best they can. there is no communications, there have been issues around running water and electricity too, a real scene of devastation, and as the country continues to grapple with the fact that at least 3000 people have died in this quake, 5000 people have been injured. so one we on, people have been going to friday prayers as well, but still a lot to prepare for for those in these displacement
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camps. three people have been charged with the murder of ten—year—old sara sharif, whose body was found at her family home in woking last month. the girl's father, urfan sharif, his partner and brother are also accused of causing or allowing the death of a child. the three were arrested on wednesday evening when they arrived back in the uk from pakistan. jessica lane has been outside court in guildford with the latest. well, it has been in the last hour that there three relatives of sara sharif have appeared at guildford magistrates court, herfather, efrain sharif, her stepmother, beinash batool, and her uncle, faisal malik, all charged with murder, and also all charged with causing or allowing the death of a child. the hearing lasted about 20 minutes, and they all deny all of the charges. the court heard that her body was found on the bottom bunk of a bunk bed in an upstairs
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bedroom in the family home in woking in surrey. the court heard the cause of death is yet to be established. the three defendants will remain in custody until the next appearance at the old bailey in london on tuesday. ten—year—old sara sharif was found dead at the family home in woking here in surrey on the 10th of august. herfather, stepmother and august. her father, stepmother and uncle august. herfather, stepmother and uncle all arrived back in the uk from pakistan on wednesday evening. they were arrested by surrey police shortly after they landed here in the uk, at gatwick, which is not far away from here. surrey police say that her mother is being supported by specially trained police officers and that she is being kept updated with all of the details. that is the news we have just had in from the last hour or so that the three relatives of sara sharif, her father, his stepmother and her uncle have all appeared in court here,
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they have all denied the charges put to them. , ,, they have all denied the charges put tothem. ,, ., ., to them. jessica, thanks for the u date. tiktok has been fined 3115 million euros for breaching privacy laws over the processing of children's data in the european union. the platform breached several laws according to the irish data commissioner. it is the first time that tiktok has been reprimanded by the regulator, and they have responded by saying that many of the issues raised have been fixed in recent months and that they feel define as too harsh. this is not what you want to see as you go through airport security. surveillance video shows two security officers at miami airport in florida allegedly taking cash from bags at a checkpoint. the men are seen subtly removing items from passengers' luggage and putting them in their pockets. the officers were arrested injuly and are facing
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charges of grand theft. they have pleaded not guilty. let's ta ke let's take you back to morocco, as we continue to keep you up—to—date with what is happening there, this is a displacement camp at the foot of the atlas mountains, a very popular time with tourists before they begin hiking in the mountains, but real damage, they have been issues with running water, electricity and communications. we have also been watching people attend friday prayers across morocco. hello there, good afternoon. some rather stark temperature contrasts across the uk again today.
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further north across northern england, southern scotland, there is some rain, and it is feeling rather cool, and you can see where that band of rain is quite nicely on the satellite picture, thatis nicely on the satellite picture, that is very slowly pushing further northwards through today, but it is more or less stationary and we will see that drainpipe up at times. towards the south of that rain band, there is cloud and humid air moving in from the south as we head through today and tomorrow in particular. for the rest of the afternoon, where we have got rain, it is set to continue, so is moving into north—west scotland at times, where it is cooler. temperatures here just 11 or 12 celsius, but look at this, further south across much of england and wales, the low to mid 20s in celsius. as we head through this evening and overnight, the rain band is gradually going to weaken, the rain will fragment and become more showery. watch out for a rumble of thunder moving into the south—west across the channel islands into tomorrow morning. still dry across
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much of northern scotland with clear spells and a range of temperatures yet again. into saturday, the rain has mostly petered out, still a few showers towards the north—west of england in particular. further north, across scotland, some sunshine, largely dry, highest temperatures, humid feeling towards the south—east of england and east anglia, temperatures possibly as high as 27 celsius here. but on sunday, we are likely to see heavy, thundery downpours pushed northward and eastwards across much of england, wales and northern ireland. further north, scotland is largely dry, rain moving into the north—west, still humid, but we're all going to be coming into some fresh feeling air into the of next week. a rain band pushes eastwards throughout the day on monday, behind it feeling cooler, rain for all throughout the day on monday, temperature starting to drop, fairly humid for a while in the south. here is the outlook for our capital cities as we head through next week,
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feeling a lot more like autumn. bye—bye.
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breakdown in motor city as autoworkers at detroit's three big carmakers launch a strike.
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and the uk government steps in to save britain's biggest steel plant in wales, but thousands of jobs are still in doubt. welcome to world business report. we start in the us where one of the largest labour unions has begun unprecedented simultaneous strikes at detroit's big three auto—makers — ford, general motors, and chrysler owner stellantis. there are warnings the strikes by the united auto workers could have a major effect on the us economy, with costs running into billions of dollars, with president biden due to speak on the matter later. the union is targeting just three plants to start with but their leader has warned it could spread.

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