with a strategic sense of where we're heading. what price he will pay for this - new deal with the european union. when you open an agreement, - there's going to be a quid pro quo. what price will he pay? i have no confidence. it will be a price that the public think is worth paying. - the entente cordial. keir starmer heads to paris in the morning, for a meeting with president macron. but how far is he prepared to go to revise brexit arrangements. and is the eu listening? second time in a week sir keir has travelled to europe. would a labour government get a more sympathetic hearing. we have just the right panel with us. stefanie bolzen the washington correspondent for die welt. and former permanent secretary to the british foreign office, now advisor to chatham house sir simon fraser. is there is any space for brexit talks, amid a migrant crisis in europe? 8000 in three days landing

in lampedusa, the commission president von der lyon accepts that it needs an urgent answer. and don't panda to the chinese — as washington zoo prepares the return the mei xiang and tian tian — who does have the right approach to the wolf diplomacy in beijing. good evening. keir starmer will seek a major renegotiation of britain's relationship with the european union, if his opposition labour party wins the next election. in an interview he has given to the financial times, the labour leader said he would put a closer trading relationship with brussels at the heart of a drive for economic growth. that would include a significant rewrite of the uk—eu's trade and cooperation agreement which is up for renewal in 2025. mr starmer told the ft, "almost everyone recognises the dealjohnson struck is not a good deal, it's far too thin. sir keir will be at

the elysee palace tomorrow for a meeting with president macron. last week, he was advocating a closer relationship with europe, to stop the small boats crossing the channel. an agreement he said that might involve the uk taking a set quota of migrants from the eu in return. with me is our political correspondent rob watson. if you want to get anything done in europe, you have to go through the lycee. he europe, you have to go through the l cee. ., , , lycee. he goes with rachel reeves and david lammy, _ lycee. he goes with rachel reeves and david lammy, the _ lycee. he goes with rachel reeves and david lammy, the shadow- lycee. he goes with rachel reeves - and david lammy, the shadow foreign secretary, how do you think they will be treated and received? fantastically politely. what they expect me to say, this is france. they will be treated very politely, very respectfully and president macron it will be trying to figure out, said keir starmer was very much against brexit and campaign for remain before the referendum. but they will be wondering where does he envisage britain being. i should set

out two parts of context, because we are about to broaden out the discussion. it is important to say keir starmer does what the next election in britain to be a bad brexit. the second thing, to point out the obvious, just over a year ago we had a prime minister in liz truss he wasn't sure whether france was a friend or foe.— was a friend or foe. things have clearly moved _ was a friend or foe. things have clearly moved on. _ was a friend or foe. things have clearly moved on. twice - was a friend or foe. things have clearly moved on. twice in - was a friend or foe. things have clearly moved on. twice in the i was a friend or foe. things have - clearly moved on. twice in the space of a week he has parked his tanks on the conservative alone. in areas that give the conservatives room to criticise, is that good politics? it might be good policy, is a good politics? i might be good policy, is a good olitics? ~ ., might be good policy, is a good olitics? ~ . . , politics? i think what he has sotted politics? i think what he has spotted is — politics? i think what he has spotted is the _ politics? i think what he has spotted is the consistent - politics? i think what he has - spotted is the consistent opinion polling in this country that suggests a majority, substantial majority, it is not massive, but a majority, it is not massive, but a majority of people have decided brexit is a turkey in the way that it turned out and they would like to have a closer relationship with the

european union. not necessarily to rejoin, but say keir starmer is saying, as long as i make it clear we don't want to rejoin the european union, rejoin its main institutions, the single market and the customs union, am i really going against wear a lot of people in the country are? it has opened him up to attacks from the conservatives. they are saying, here is a man who wants to reopen the can of worms that is brexit. but he is thinking, it is probably 0k. brexit. but he is thinking, it is probably ok. 50 brexit. but he is thinking, it is probably 0k-— brexit. but he is thinking, it is probably 0k. brexit. but he is thinking, it is robabl 0k. ,, ., probably ok. so simon, can you tell us about this _ probably ok. so simon, can you tell us about this brexit _ probably ok. so simon, can you tell us about this brexit review - probably ok. so simon, can you tell us about this brexit review the - probably ok. so simon, can you tell us about this brexit review the two l us about this brexit review the two parties will conduct in 2025. there has been a suggestion today they will look at this agreement again. i wonder how much wriggle room there will be? keir wonder how much wriggle room there will be? ,, . , will be? keir starmer definitely does want. _ will be? keir starmer definitely does want, if _ will be? keir starmer definitely does want, if they _ will be? keir starmer definitely does want, if they win - will be? keir starmer definitely does want, if they win the - will be? keir starmer definitely - does want, if they win the election, to put— does want, if they win the election, to put the _ does want, if they win the election, to put the relationship with the eu on a more — to put the relationship with the eu on a more positive footings. but he has to— on a more positive footings. but he has to be _ on a more positive footings. but he has to be careful, how far and how

fast he _ has to be careful, how far and how fast he pushes it. in review of the trade _ fast he pushes it. in review of the trade and — fast he pushes it. in review of the trade and cooperation agreement, the agreement— trade and cooperation agreement, the agreement that controls that relationship is up for review in 2025 — relationship is up for review in 2025 the _ relationship is up for review in 2025. the key thing to note there, that is _ 2025. the key thing to note there, that is a _ 2025. the key thing to note there, that is a review of implementation of the _ that is a review of implementation of the agreement. it is not described as a review of the substance of the agreement itself. the question he faces, to what extent— the question he faces, to what extent will the eu side be prepared to open— extent will the eu side be prepared to open any of the substance? if it is to open any of the substance? if it must— to open any of the substance? if it isjust implementation, the agenda it will_ isjust implementation, the agenda it will be _ isjust implementation, the agenda it will be very limited.— it will be very limited. stephanie, the eu has _ it will be very limited. stephanie, the eu has plenty _ it will be very limited. stephanie, the eu has plenty of— it will be very limited. stephanie, the eu has plenty of other - it will be very limited. stephanie, the eu has plenty of other majorl the eu has plenty of other major issues on its plate at the minute, not least its problem with migration, which we will talk about later in the programme, but how much appetite do you think there is to reopen the brexit wounds? how much room do you think there is a how much appetite for that, stephanie? i much appetite for that, stephanie? i cannot see much appetite, either in

brussels _ cannot see much appetite, either in brussels know— cannot see much appetite, either in brussels know in _ cannot see much appetite, either in brussels know in berlin. _ cannot see much appetite, either in brussels know in berlin. speaking l cannot see much appetite, either ini brussels know in berlin. speaking to german— brussels know in berlin. speaking to german politicians, _ brussels know in berlin. speaking to german politicians, you _ brussels know in berlin. speaking to german politicians, you often- brussels know in berlin. speaking to german politicians, you often hear. german politicians, you often hear that they _ german politicians, you often hear that they have _ german politicians, you often hear that they have spent _ german politicians, you often hear that they have spent too _ german politicians, you often hear that they have spent too much - that they have spent too much lifetime — that they have spent too much lifetime on— that they have spent too much lifetime on brexit, _ that they have spent too much lifetime on brexit, they- that they have spent too much lifetime on brexit, theyjust i that they have spent too much i lifetime on brexit, theyjust want to move — lifetime on brexit, theyjust want to move on _ lifetime on brexit, theyjust want to move on 0t— lifetime on brexit, theyjust want to move on. of course, _ lifetime on brexit, theyjust want to move on. of course, there - lifetime on brexit, theyjust want to move on. of course, there arej to move on. of course, there are some _ to move on. of course, there are some assets— to move on. of course, there are some assets in _ to move on. of course, there are some assets in the _ to move on. of course, there are some assets in the uk— to move on. of course, there are some assets in the uk that - to move on. of course, there are some assets in the uk that are l some assets in the uk that are interestim} _ some assets in the uk that are interesting. it— some assets in the uk that are interesting. it would _ some assets in the uk that are interesting. it would be - some assets in the uk that are interesting. it would be good l some assets in the uk that are i interesting. it would be good for european — interesting. it would be good for european companies _ interesting. it would be good for european companies if- interesting. it would be good for european companies if the - interesting. it would be good for european companies if the trade would _ european companies if the trade would be — european companies if the trade would be easier. _ european companies if the trade would be easier. but— european companies if the trade would be easier. but as - european companies if the trade would be easier. but as simon l european companies if the trade - would be easier. but as simon said, the tca— would be easier. but as simon said, the tca is— would be easier. but as simon said, the tca is to — would be easier. but as simon said, the tca is to be _ would be easier. but as simon said, the tca is to be looked _ would be easier. but as simon said, the tca is to be looked at _ would be easier. but as simon said, the tca is to be looked at for- would be easier. but as simon said, the tca is to be looked at for the i the tca is to be looked at for the implementation, _ the tca is to be looked at for the implementation, not _ the tca is to be looked at for the implementation, not so - the tca is to be looked at for the implementation, not so much . the tca is to be looked at for the implementation, not so much to| implementation, not so much to renegotiate _ implementation, not so much to renegotiate. but _ implementation, not so much to renegotiate. but if— implementation, not so much to renegotiate. but if there - implementation, not so much to renegotiate. but if there is- renegotiate. but if there is something _ renegotiate. but if there is something in— renegotiate. but if there is something in there - renegotiate. but if there is something in there for- renegotiate. but if there is something in there for the | renegotiate. but if there is- something in there for the european union, _ something in there for the european union. especially— something in there for the european union, especially if _ something in there for the european union, especially if it _ something in there for the european union, especially if it comes - something in there for the european union, especially if it comes to - union, especially if it comes to migration, _ union, especially if it comes to migration, i_ union, especially if it comes to migration, i can _ union, especially if it comes to migration, i can imagine - union, especially if it comes to migration, i can imagine there| union, especially if it comes to - migration, i can imagine there will be space _ migration, i can imagine there will be space for— migration, i can imagine there will be space for talks. _ migration, i can imagine there will be space for talks. i— migration, i can imagine there will be space for talks.— be space for talks. i am right in sa inc, be space for talks. i am right in saying. it _ be space for talks. i am right in saying, it would _ be space for talks. i am right in saying, it would need _ be space for talks. i am right in saying, it would need the - be space for talks. i am right in i saying, it would need the approval of the 27 leaders within the council to reopen it?— to reopen it? yes, absolutely. the tca, the agreement, _ to reopen it? yes, absolutely. the tca, the agreement, the - to reopen it? yes, absolutely. the tca, the agreement, the brexit i to reopen it? yes, absolutely. the i tca, the agreement, the brexit deal, it did not _ tca, the agreement, the brexit deal, it did not include _ tca, the agreement, the brexit deal, it did not include talks _ tca, the agreement, the brexit deal, it did not include talks about - it did not include talks about migration— it did not include talks about migration and _ it did not include talks about migration and that _ it did not include talks about migration and that was - it did not include talks about migration and that was also| it did not include talks about - migration and that was also very much _ migration and that was also very much by— migration and that was also very much by the _ migration and that was also very much by the 21— migration and that was also very much by the 27. they— migration and that was also very much by the 27. they didn't - migration and that was also very| much by the 27. they didn't want migration and that was also very- much by the 27. they didn't want any bilateral— much by the 27. they didn't want any bilateral agreements— much by the 27. they didn't want any bilateral agreements by— much by the 27. they didn't want any bilateral agreements by the - much by the 27. they didn't want any bilateral agreements by the brits - bilateral agreements by the brits and they— bilateral agreements by the brits and they made _ bilateral agreements by the brits and they made sure _ bilateral agreements by the brits and they made sure that - bilateral agreements by the brits and they made sure that if- bilateral agreements by the brits and they made sure that if there | bilateral agreements by the brits i and they made sure that if there is

anythingm — and they made sure that if there is anythingm we— and they made sure that if there is anythingm we are _ and they made sure that if there is anything... we are talking - and they made sure that if there is anything... we are talking very- and they made sure that if there is . anything... we are talking very much about— anything... we are talking very much about the _ anything... we are talking very much about the channel— anything... we are talking very much about the channel crossings, - anything... we are talking very much about the channel crossings, if - about the channel crossings, if there _ about the channel crossings, if there is— about the channel crossings, if there is any— about the channel crossings, if there is any improvement - about the channel crossings, if there is any improvement or. about the channel crossings, if - there is any improvement or better management— there is any improvement or better management of— there is any improvement or better management of this _ there is any improvement or better management of this big _ there is any improvement or better management of this big problem, i there is any improvement or better. management of this big problem, this will be _ management of this big problem, this will be coordinated _ management of this big problem, this will be coordinated with _ management of this big problem, this will be coordinated with the _ management of this big problem, this will be coordinated with the 27 - management of this big problem, this will be coordinated with the 27 and - will be coordinated with the 27 and not only— will be coordinated with the 27 and not only with — will be coordinated with the 27 and not only with france. _ will be coordinated with the 27 and not only with france. that - will be coordinated with the 27 and not only with france.— not only with france. that is a heavy-lift. — not only with france. that is a heavy-lift, rob. _ not only with france. that is a heavy-lift, rob. is— not only with france. that is a heavy-lift, rob. is there - not only with france. that is a heavy-lift, rob. is there a - not only with france. that is a - heavy-lift, rob. is there a danger heavy—lift, rob. is there a danger sir keir starmer promises a lot and under deliver is? we have seen that before? , , ., ,, , ., ., before? greetings to stephanie and sir simon. the _ before? greetings to stephanie and sir simon. the real _ before? greetings to stephanie and sir simon. the real issue _ before? greetings to stephanie and sir simon. the real issue here - before? greetings to stephanie and sir simon. the real issue here is, l sir simon. the real issue here is, it is very difficult seeing the european union moving particularly on brexit until the european union thinks that somehow there has been some major realignment on the issue of europe within british politics. that is notjust about keir starmer, it is also about the conservatives. i think the european union would need to think, actually, britain really does want to recalibrate its relationship with us, perhaps to rejoin. 0k, relationship with us, perhaps to rejoin. ok, let's sit down and listen. i think that is what sir keir starmer is going to be up

against, the feeling in brussels, hang on a minute, until the uk looks like it has had a fundamental change of heart across its politics. that is why i think sir keir starmer will be careful about what he promises. if he is ruling out the customs union and the single market, what is left? it is veterinary, some issues on veterinary practice at the border, some professional standards recognise. will that improve the british economy?— recognise. will that improve the british econom ? . . , british economy? there are a number of secific british economy? there are a number of specific things _ british economy? there are a number of specific things he _ british economy? there are a number of specific things he has _ british economy? there are a number of specific things he has named - british economy? there are a number of specific things he has named and i of specific things he has named and you have _ of specific things he has named and you have listed some of them. they are rather— you have listed some of them. they are rather limited. they don't really— are rather limited. they don't really shift the dial. the point is absolutely right, left the uk is prepared to put something significant on the table which encourages the eu to think that we want to— encourages the eu to think that we want to change the relationship and that actually the government is capable — that actually the government is capable of delivering that, then there _ capable of delivering that, then there will be a lot of scepticism in

brussels — there will be a lot of scepticism in brussels about reopening a serious negotiation. that is the challenge he is _ negotiation. that is the challenge he is going to face. the suggestion that britain might _ he is going to face. the suggestion that britain might renegotiate - that britain might renegotiate brexit might be seen in some conservative circles as a betrayal. but liz truss, his term as prime in so are shorter than a salad vegetable, said the brexit deal was thin and the think tank, the anti—growth coalition and a section of her own party, the supply policies that she said the fashionable on the london dinner party circuitjust don't believe it. have a listen. levels of tax and regulation are now too high to generate the amount of economic activity we need to help people's incomes get bigger and to fund government services. and that means our economy is now stagnating.

people talk about the productivity puzzle, but it's really not a puzzle. if there's not enough incentive to go out and set up a business to take risks, to compete or even work. that's a problem. idid i did feel you have attended too many black—tie dinners to be useful here, but is she right? is that a sufficiently distinct offering for british voters in the election, or are they both standing on the same turf when it comes to economic policy? i turf when it comes to economic oli ? ., turf when it comes to economic oli ? . ., ., policy? i am well out of the black-tie — policy? i am well out of the black-tie dinner— policy? i am well out of the black-tie dinner circuit. - policy? i am well out of the black-tie dinner circuit. i i policy? i am well out of the - black-tie dinner circuit. i thought black—tie dinner circuit. i thought this was— black—tie dinner circuit. i thought this was a — black—tie dinner circuit. i thought this was a bizarre intervention, frankly — this was a bizarre intervention, frankly. because first of all she said she — frankly. because first of all she said she was thwarted by the economic establishment, the anti—growth coalition but actually it was— anti—growth coalition but actually it was the — anti—growth coalition but actually it was the markets that looked at a policy _ it was the markets that looked at a policy and — it was the markets that looked at a policy and decided it wasn't sustainable, so she was actually sanctioned by the markets. and then she claims— sanctioned by the markets. and then she claims that taxation is too high — she claims that taxation is too high but— she claims that taxation is too high. but one of the reasons we are facing _

high. but one of the reasons we are facing higher taxation is because the economy is not performing and therefore _ the economy is not performing and therefore the government is not getting — therefore the government is not getting tax revenues. she bears at least _ getting tax revenues. she bears at least a _ getting tax revenues. she bears at least a part of the responsibility for that — least a part of the responsibility for that. we have to be clear on that _ for that. we have to be clear on that it — for that. we have to be clear on that it is — for that. we have to be clear on that. it is true there is a convergence of policy now between the conservative party, which has moved _ the conservative party, which has moved away from her position and the labour— moved away from her position and the labour party, so they are fighting for the _ labour party, so they are fighting for the centre ground. that is true, but her_ for the centre ground. that is true, but her argument that the conservative party should veer sharply — conservative party should veer sharply back to the right is one she will not _ sharply back to the right is one she will not get — sharply back to the right is one she will not get a lot of support on and i will not get a lot of support on and i don't _ will not get a lot of support on and idon't think— will not get a lot of support on and i don't think any conservative mps attending — i don't think any conservative mps attending that event today. she i don't think any conservative mps attending that event today.- attending that event today. she is not 'ust attending that event today. she is rrot just talking — attending that event today. she is not just talking to _ attending that event today. she is not just talking to a _ attending that event today. she is notjust talking to a uk _ attending that event today. she is notjust talking to a uk audience, | notjust talking to a uk audience, she is talking about the west, stephanie. problems forthe she is talking about the west, stephanie. problems for the west we have turned our backs on supply—side economics. is there any appetite in germany for smaller taxes, lower taxes, deregulation, small government is it something to german voters would be impressed with? the german voters currently face similar

problems. _ german voters currently face similar problems. but— german voters currently face similar problems, but also _ german voters currently face similar problems, but also very _ german voters currently face similar problems, but also very different. problems, but also very different problems. — problems, but also very different problems, especially— problems, but also very different problems, especially because - problems, but also very different problems, especially because of| problems, especially because of russia's— problems, especially because of russia's war _ problems, especially because of russia's war in _ problems, especially because of russia's war in ukraine - problems, especially because of russia's war in ukraine and - problems, especially because of russia's war in ukraine and thei russia's war in ukraine and the so-called — russia's war in ukraine and the so—called traffic— russia's war in ukraine and the so—called traffic light _ russia's war in ukraine and the so—called traffic light coalitioni russia's war in ukraine and the. so—called traffic light coalition in germany— so—called traffic light coalition in germany is — so—called traffic light coalition in germany is also _ so—called traffic light coalition in germany is also struggling, - so—called traffic light coalition in germany is also struggling, buti so—called traffic light coalition in l germany is also struggling, but on other— germany is also struggling, but on other fronts~ — germany is also struggling, but on other fronts. it _ germany is also struggling, but on other fronts. it is _ germany is also struggling, but on other fronts. it is not _ germany is also struggling, but on other fronts. it is not about- other fronts. it is not about taxation. _ other fronts. it is not about taxation, how _ other fronts. it is not about taxation, how do _ other fronts. it is not about taxation, how do you - other fronts. it is not about- taxation, how do you introduce renewables _ taxation, how do you introduce renewables that _ taxation, how do you introduce renewables that do _ taxation, how do you introduce renewables that do not - taxation, how do you introduce renewables that do not cost. taxation, how do you introduce - renewables that do not cost people who don't _ renewables that do not cost people who don't have _ renewables that do not cost people who don't have so _ renewables that do not cost people who don't have so much _ renewables that do not cost people who don't have so much money- renewables that do not cost peoplej who don't have so much money too much _ who don't have so much money too much of— who don't have so much money too much of their— who don't have so much money too much of their income? _ who don't have so much money too much of their income? but - who don't have so much money too much of their income? but back- who don't have so much money too much of their income? but back to| much of their income? but back to liz much of their income? but back to liz truss. — much of their income? but back to liz truss. it — much of their income? but back to liz truss. it is _ much of their income? but back to liz truss, it is bizarre, _ much of their income? but back to liz truss, it is bizarre, as - much of their income? but back to liz truss, it is bizarre, as sir- liz truss, it is bizarre, as sir simon — liz truss, it is bizarre, as sir simonjust_ liz truss, it is bizarre, as sir simonjust said, _ liz truss, it is bizarre, as sir simonjust said, but - liz truss, it is bizarre, as sir simon just said, but at - liz truss, it is bizarre, as sir simon just said, but at the l liz truss, it is bizarre, as sir- simonjust said, but at the same time _ simonjust said, but at the same time i_ simonjust said, but at the same time i do — simonjust said, but at the same time i do wonder— simonjust said, but at the same time i do wonder if— simonjust said, but at the same time i do wonder if she - simonjust said, but at the same time i do wonder if she is - simonjust said, but at the same time i do wonder if she isjust. time i do wonder if she isjust finding — time i do wonder if she isjust finding herself— time i do wonder if she isjust finding herself a _ time i do wonder if she isjust finding herself a niche - time i do wonder if she isjust finding herself a niche for- time i do wonder if she isjust finding herself a niche for thej time i do wonder if she isjust- finding herself a niche for the time to come. _ finding herself a niche for the time to come, because _ finding herself a niche for the time to come, because obviously- finding herself a niche for the time to come, because obviously she i finding herself a niche for the time i to come, because obviously she still has supporters — to come, because obviously she still has supporters in— to come, because obviously she still has supporters in the _ to come, because obviously she still has supporters in the conservative l has supporters in the conservative party. _ has supporters in the conservative party. very — has supporters in the conservative party. very much _ has supporters in the conservative party, very much on _ has supporters in the conservative party, very much on the _ has supporters in the conservative| party, very much on the libertarian side and _ party, very much on the libertarian side and she — party, very much on the libertarian side and she is— party, very much on the libertarian side and she is trying _ party, very much on the libertarian side and she is trying to _ party, very much on the libertarian side and she is trying to position. side and she is trying to position herself— side and she is trying to position herself for— side and she is trying to position herself for a _ side and she is trying to position herself for a comeback - side and she is trying to position herself for a comeback at - side and she is trying to position herself for a comeback at some i side and she is trying to position- herself for a comeback at some point in the _ herself for a comeback at some point in the future — herself for a comeback at some point in the future is— herself for a comeback at some point in the future-— in the future. is that part of it, she is reportedly _ in the future. is that part of it, she is reportedly writing - in the future. is that part of it, she is reportedly writing a - in the future. is that part of it, | she is reportedly writing a book in the future. is that part of it, - she is reportedly writing a book on how to save the west, is she looking for a legacy?— for a legacy? after everything that has happened _ for a legacy? after everything that has happened in — for a legacy? after everything that has happened in british _ for a legacy? after everything that has happened in british politics, . for a legacy? after everything that| has happened in british politics, he wouldn't rule anything out. i think she is a genuine ideologue, she

genuinely, genuinely believes that everything she did was right, despite the way the markets reacted, that they really does need to be a smaller state, lower taxes and more deregulation. but proponents of that aetiology around the world could probably wish they had a spokesperson for it he was a bit more like ronald reagan than liz truss. because i cannot help but think that sir keir starmer, where we started this evening is thinking, please let liz truss give a speech once a week, because that cannot do us any harm at all.— us any harm at all. indeed, i'm sure it would. us any harm at all. indeed, i'm sure it would- can _ us any harm at all. indeed, i'm sure it would. can we _ us any harm at all. indeed, i'm sure it would. can we briefly _ us any harm at all. indeed, i'm sure it would. can we briefly turned - us any harm at all. indeed, i'm sure it would. can we briefly turned back| it would. can we briefly turned back to set keir starmer�*s comments on how he sees her threat from china. the uk should wean itself off china when it comes to trade, commerce and technology. we need to be absolutely clear, he went on, about the security of the uk and issues about spying and interference in the human rights abuses taking place. which seemed to chime with how the german

foreign minister described the chinese when talking to fox news this weekend about the war in ukraine. if putin were to win this war, what sign with that be for all those dictators in the world? like xi, like the chinese president. so therefore ukraine has to win this war. that reference to xi jinping as a dictator has hit a nerve in beijing and the chinese calling for an apology today. was that a careless slip, stephanie or is it the new approach that berlin is taking to beijing? i approach that berlin is taking to bei'in: ? ~ . ., beijing? i think that was quite deliberate. _ beijing? i think that was quite deliberate. although - beijing? i think that was quite deliberate. although i- beijing? i think that was quite l deliberate. although i wouldn't beijing? i think that was quite - deliberate. although i wouldn't say it is berlin— deliberate. although i wouldn't say it is berlin because _ deliberate. although i wouldn't say it is berlin because you _ deliberate. although i wouldn't say it is berlin because you have - deliberate. although i wouldn't say it is berlin because you have to- it is berlin because you have to distinguish _ it is berlin because you have to distinguish between _ it is berlin because you have to distinguish between the - it is berlin because you have to- distinguish between the chancellor, 0laf distinguish between the chancellor, olaf scholz. — distinguish between the chancellor, olaf scholz. a — distinguish between the chancellor, 0laf scholz, a social— distinguish between the chancellor, 0laf scholz, a social democrat - distinguish between the chancellor, 0laf scholz, a social democrat and i 0laf scholz, a social democrat and representing — 0laf scholz, a social democrat and representing the _ 0laf scholz, a social democrat and representing the green— 0laf scholz, a social democrat and representing the green party. - 0laf scholz, a social democrat and representing the green party. if. 0laf scholz, a social democrat andi representing the green party. if we think— representing the green party. if we think back— representing the green party. if we think back 30 — representing the green party. if we think back 30 to — representing the green party. if we think back 30 to 40 _ representing the green party. if we think back 30 to 40 years, - representing the green party. if we think back 30 to 40 years, the - representing the green party. if we i think back 30 to 40 years, the green party— think back 30 to 40 years, the green party came _ think back 30 to 40 years, the green party came out— think back 30 to 40 years, the green party came out of— think back 30 to 40 years, the green party came out of the _ think back 30 to 40 years, the green party came out of the pacifist - party came out of the pacifist movement _ party came out of the pacifist movement. but _ party came out of the pacifist movement. but now- party came out of the pacifist movement. but now with -

party came out of the pacifist - movement. but now with russia's for in ukraine _ movement. but now with russia's for in ukraine the— movement. but now with russia's for in ukraine, the green— movement. but now with russia's for in ukraine, the green party- movement. but now with russia's for in ukraine, the green party were - in ukraine, the green party were part of— in ukraine, the green party were part ofthe— in ukraine, the green party were part of the governing _ in ukraine, the green party were part of the governing coalition, l part of the governing coalition, they— part of the governing coalition, they are — part of the governing coalition, they are the _ part of the governing coalition, they are the ones _ part of the governing coalition, they are the ones who - part of the governing coalition, they are the ones who want - part of the governing coalition, they are the ones who want to i part of the governing coalition, - they are the ones who want to send tanks. _ they are the ones who want to send tanks. they— they are the ones who want to send tanks. they want— they are the ones who want to send tanks, they want to _ they are the ones who want to send tanks, they want to send _ they are the ones who want to send l tanks, they want to send long—range missiles, _ tanks, they want to send long—range missiles, not— tanks, they want to send long—range missiles, not long—range _ tanks, they want to send long—range missiles, not long—range missiles. missiles, not long—range missiles but miss— missiles, not long—range missiles but miss out— missiles, not long—range missiles but miss out to _ missiles, not long—range missiles but miss out to ukraine. - missiles, not long—range missiles but miss out to ukraine. in- missiles, not long—range missiles but miss out to ukraine. in that l but miss out to ukraine. in that sense — but miss out to ukraine. in that sense, germany— but miss out to ukraine. in that sense, germany also _ but miss out to ukraine. in that sense, germany also lately- but miss out to ukraine. in that - sense, germany also lately adopted a new china _ sense, germany also lately adopted a new china strategy _ sense, germany also lately adopted a new china strategy and _ sense, germany also lately adopted a new china strategy and the _ sense, germany also lately adopted a new china strategy and the foreign i new china strategy and the foreign office _ new china strategy and the foreign office was— new china strategy and the foreign office was very _ new china strategy and the foreign office was very much _ new china strategy and the foreign office was very much behind - new china strategy and the foreign office was very much behind it - new china strategy and the foreign office was very much behind it and| office was very much behind it and advocating — office was very much behind it and advocating a — 0ffice was very much behind it and advocating a harder— office was very much behind it and advocating a harder line _ office was very much behind it and advocating a harder line towards . advocating a harder line towards china _ advocating a harder line towards china which. _ advocating a harder line towards china. which, as— advocating a harder line towards china. which, as we _ advocating a harder line towards china. which, as we know- advocating a harder line towards china. which, as we know is - advocating a harder line towards china. which, as we know is a l advocating a harder line towards - china. which, as we know is a tricky thing _ china. which, as we know is a tricky thing in _ china. which, as we know is a tricky thing in germany— china. which, as we know is a tricky thing in germany because _ china. which, as we know is a tricky thing in germany because of- china. which, as we know is a tricky thing in germany because of the - thing in germany because of the close _ thing in germany because of the close and — thing in germany because of the close and important _ thing in germany because of the close and important business. close and important business relationships— close and important business relationships germany- close and important business relationships germany has i close and important business. relationships germany has with china — relationships germany has with china. is— relationships germany has with china. , ., ., relationships germany has with china. , . . . ,, china. is that a lesson in that, sir simon? rishi— china. is that a lesson in that, sir simon? rishi sunak's _ china. is that a lesson in that, sir simon? rishi sunak's critic - china. is that a lesson in that, sir simon? rishi sunak's critic says i china. is that a lesson in that, sir. simon? rishi sunak's critic says he has no strategy to tackle the threat from china, but here is germany dealing with the threat from china in a robust and hawkish way? i dealing with the threat from china in a robust and hawkish way? i think britain does — in a robust and hawkish way? i think britain does have _ in a robust and hawkish way? i think britain does have a _ in a robust and hawkish way? i think britain does have a strategy - in a robust and hawkish way? i think britain does have a strategy at - in a robust and hawkish way? i think britain does have a strategy at last i britain does have a strategy at last to deat— britain does have a strategy at last to deal with china, which is to try to deal with china, which is to try to differentiate between the importance of having a trade

relationship with china, which is one of— relationship with china, which is one of our— relationship with china, which is one of our biggest trading partners, and at _ one of our biggest trading partners, and at the _ one of our biggest trading partners, and at the same time preserve our security— and at the same time preserve our security in— and at the same time preserve our security in key areas of the economy where _ security in key areas of the economy where technology and other sensitive issues _ where technology and other sensitive issues are _ where technology and other sensitive issues are at stake. that has to be the way— issues are at stake. that has to be the way to— issues are at stake. that has to be the way to go. that is the way the americans— the way to go. that is the way the americans should do with the policy and indeed, the eu. iwas surprised by keir_ and indeed, the eu. iwas surprised by keir starmer's language. i thought— by keir starmer's language. i thought he was conflating two issues in the _ thought he was conflating two issues in the sense he said we have got to read our— in the sense he said we have got to read our self— in the sense he said we have got to read our self of trade with china and because of the security issue. i think— and because of the security issue. i think the _ and because of the security issue. i think the key thing is, you have to work— think the key thing is, you have to work out _ think the key thing is, you have to work out which part of your trade with china — work out which part of your trade with china are sensitive and which are not— with china are sensitive and which are not make sure you are doing what you can _ are not make sure you are doing what you can do _ are not make sure you are doing what you can do and protect yourself where — you can do and protect yourself where you _ you can do and protect yourself where you need to. it is you can do and protect yourself where you need to.— you can do and protect yourself where you need to. it is a difficult issue when _ where you need to. it is a difficult issue when you _ where you need to. it is a difficult issue when you have _ where you need to. it is a difficult issue when you have interests - where you need to. it is a difficult issue when you have interests in i issue when you have interests in china, but the prime minister was making the point to us in new delhi last week that you have to stay in the room, you have to be able to talk to the chinese premier when things go wrong. but at the same time, be cognisant of what the

threat and the risk is?- time, be cognisant of what the threat and the risk is? yes, that is the conundrum _ threat and the risk is? yes, that is the conundrum and _ threat and the risk is? yes, that is the conundrum and i _ threat and the risk is? yes, that is the conundrum and i guess - threat and the risk is? yes, that is the conundrum and i guess the - the conundrum and i guess the approach, the consensus approach in britain. there are two approaches in britain, one which says we declare china and outright threat and the enemy. and then the approach that rishi sunak is taking and i think broadly, keir starmeras rishi sunak is taking and i think broadly, keir starmer as well. and lots of european allies and the united states and that is, we have confrontation with china, we have to engage, but engage with great caution. they use words like verify, we need to check and we need to be mindful and speak out and confront china when it is needed. what you might question is, when they say they will engage with china, did they will engage with china, did they really think they could persuade china particularly on domestic issues like human rights, if china doesn't want to be persuaded. i think deep down they know there is a limit to the

influence given western economic dependence on china.— influence given western economic dependence on china. stephanie, if keir starmer— dependence on china. stephanie, if keir starmer is _ dependence on china. stephanie, if keir starmer is advocating - dependence on china. stephanie, if keir starmer is advocating a - dependence on china. stephanie, if keir starmer is advocating a second thought entree, you are yet again sink this idea of a china plus one strategy and countries just diversifying risk away from china? yes, of course. you are talking about — yes, of course. you are talking about decoupling _ yes, of course. you are talking about decoupling and - yes, of course. you are talking . about decoupling and de—risking, which _ about decoupling and de—risking, which is — about decoupling and de—risking, which is what _ about decoupling and de—risking, which is what germany _ about decoupling and de—risking, which is what germany seeks - about decoupling and de—risking, which is what germany seeks to i about decoupling and de—risking, i which is what germany seeks to do and the _ which is what germany seeks to do and the german— which is what germany seeks to do and the german foreign _ which is what germany seeks to do and the german foreign minister. which is what germany seeks to doi and the german foreign minister as welt _ and the german foreign minister as welt but— and the german foreign minister as welt but it — and the german foreign minister as welt but it is — and the german foreign minister as welt but it is a _ and the german foreign minister as well. but it is a very— and the german foreign minister as well. but it is a very difficult - well. but it is a very difficult tine — well. but it is a very difficult line to — well. but it is a very difficult line to walk _ well. but it is a very difficult line to walk and _ well. but it is a very difficult line to walk and i— well. but it is a very difficult line to walk and i think - well. but it is a very difficult line to walk and i think it- well. but it is a very difficult line to walk and i think it isi well. but it is a very difficult - line to walk and i think it is also because — line to walk and i think it is also because in— line to walk and i think it is also because in that _ line to walk and i think it is also because in that context, - line to walk and i think it is also because in that context, the - because in that context, the interview— because in that context, the interview was— because in that context, the interview was on _ because in that context, the interview was on fox - because in that context, the interview was on fox news. because in that context, the i interview was on fox news and because in that context, the - interview was on fox news and it was interview was on fox news and it was in the _ interview was on fox news and it was in the context— interview was on fox news and it was in the context of— interview was on fox news and it was in the context of supporting - in the context of supporting ukraine _ in the context of supporting ukraine. she— in the context of supporting ukraine. she was— in the context of supporting ukraine. she was saying - in the context of supporting ukraine. she was saying we in the context of supporting - ukraine. she was saying we have to support— ukraine. she was saying we have to support ukraine _ ukraine. she was saying we have to support ukraine in _ ukraine. she was saying we have to support ukraine in order— ukraine. she was saying we have to support ukraine in order to - ukraine. she was saying we have to support ukraine in order to show. ukraine. she was saying we have to support ukraine in order to show to| support ukraine in order to show to the world _ support ukraine in order to show to the world what _ support ukraine in order to show to the world what it _ support ukraine in order to show to the world what it would _ support ukraine in order to show to the world what it would mean - support ukraine in order to show to the world what it would mean if - the world what it would mean if vladimir— the world what it would mean if vladimir putin's— the world what it would mean if vladimir putin's wins _ the world what it would mean if vladimir putin's wins the - the world what it would mean if vladimir putin's wins the war. l the world what it would mean ifi vladimir putin's wins the war. in that context. _ vladimir putin's wins the war. in that context, you _ vladimir putin's wins the war. in that context, you have - vladimir putin's wins the war. in that context, you have to - vladimir putin's wins the war. in that context, you have to see i vladimir putin's wins the war. in i that context, you have to see what she and _ that context, you have to see what she and the —

that context, you have to see what she and the quote _ that context, you have to see what she and the quote we _ that context, you have to see what she and the quote we were - that context, you have to see what she and the quote we were talking| she and the quote we were talking about _ she and the quote we were talking about trite — she and the quote we were talking about. ~ ., . she and the quote we were talking about. . . . . , about. we watch with great interest tomorrow as — about. we watch with great interest tomorrow as sir _ about. we watch with great interest tomorrow as sir keir— about. we watch with great interest tomorrow as sir keir starmer - about. we watch with great interest tomorrow as sir keir starmer to - tomorrow as sir keir starmer to paris. we will let rob go home because he has to cover it for the bbc. but thank you for coming in. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. let's now take a look at some other stories making news — here in the uk. people in england aged 65 and over are being urged to get a top—up covid booster vaccine. an increasing number of people are attending hospital with the virus — but while hospital numbers are up, intensive care admissions are low. the roll—out�*s been brought forward as a precaution against a highly—mutated new covid variant called ba—2.86. the cost of renting a home in the uk rose by i2% in the year to august, that's according to estate agency hamptons. the group says it's the highest rise since it started its survey in 2014. the uptick in the past 12 months is greater than the increase experienced over the four years to 2019.

fashion journalist and podcaster chioma nnadi has been named as the new editor—in—chief of british vogue. nnadi will become the first black female head of the industry leading fashion title, which also has outlets in the us, france and italy. she recently took over as editor of vogue.com. you're live with bbc news. the european commission president, ursula von der leyen, has visited a migrant reception centre on the island of lampedusa, after the italian prime minister called for the eu's help. more than 8,000 migrants arrived on the island injust three days last week. the prime minister giorgia meloni says italy is facing "unsustainable pressure". ms von der leyen acknowledged during that visit that the issue was a european challenge and will require a european answer. ms meloni is demanding the eu sets up a naval blockade to prevent further boats from crossing the mediterranean.

she also want the eu to implement an agreement the eu already signed with tunisia — under which the eu would pay eiiom for an end to the smuggling and a fast—track returns policy. here's what ursula von der leyen said on that visit. irregular migration is a european challenge and it needs a european answer. so we are in this together. joining me now is alessandro puglia — a freelance journalist who covers migration. thank you for being with us, what has been the response of the italian government to last week's arrival of 8000 people, how are they managing the crisis? ~ ., , 8000 people, how are they managing the crisis? ~ . , . ,, ., the crisis? what is happening now in lampedusa. — the crisis? what is happening now in lampedusa, remind _ the crisis? what is happening now in lampedusa, remind us _ the crisis? what is happening now in lampedusa, remind us what - the crisis? what is happening now in l lampedusa, remind us what happened in 2011, the start of the arab spring where on the island of lampedusa, there was a similar number, more than 7000 migrants. we have to think that lampedusa

residents are around 6000 people. it is not the first time that so many arrivals in lampedusa. in lampedusa there were many arrivals, 50 injust one morning. said the numbers were not so different of the number over the last days. different of the number over the last da s. ,, ,., , different of the number over the last da s. ,, , . last days. she said there is a le . a last days. she said there is a legacy issue _ last days. she said there is a legacy issue and _ last days. she said there is a legacy issue and this - last days. she said there is a legacy issue and this has - last days. she said there is a i legacy issue and this has been last days. she said there is a - legacy issue and this has been going on for many years. there are only 400 places in lampedusa. previous governments have not built enough holding centres around the country, she is right, isn't she? there have been previous governments that haven't done their bit? yes. been previous governments that haven't done their bit?— been previous governments that haven't done their bit? yes, this is a problem- — haven't done their bit? yes, this is a problem- the — haven't done their bit? yes, this is a problem. the hotspot _ haven't done their bit? yes, this is a problem. the hotspot as - haven't done their bit? yes, this is a problem. the hotspot as a -

haven't done their bit? yes, this is l a problem. the hotspot as a capacity for 600 people. we have to think that previous days there were 7000 migrants. from the 1st ofjune this year the italian red cross managed the hotspot but what happened first, what happened first of italian red cross. february, there were 3000 migrants in the highlands and 26 boy and girl, died of asthma. there was and girl, died of asthma. there was an investigation about the death. where was europe at that time? where was europe during this winter when dozens of children died and they were found in a little peer.

stephanie, one of the problems, france and germany at the moment, germany have started taking italian migrants, but they were not taking them because italy wasn't taking migrants back under the dublin scheme. what has gone on? the issue at stake is the — scheme. what has gone on? the issue at stake is the one _ scheme. what has gone on? the issue at stake is the one thing _ scheme. what has gone on? the issue at stake is the one thing that - at stake is the one thing that germany— at stake is the one thing that germany is _ at stake is the one thing that germany is supposed - at stake is the one thing that germany is supposed to - at stake is the one thing that germany is supposed to take at stake is the one thing that. germany is supposed to take in at stake is the one thing that - germany is supposed to take in more migrants _ germany is supposed to take in more migrants and — germany is supposed to take in more migrants and also _ germany is supposed to take in more migrants and also domestically - germany is supposed to take in more migrants and also domestically in - migrants and also domestically in germany, — migrants and also domestically in germany, it— migrants and also domestically in germany, it is— migrants and also domestically in germany, it is a— migrants and also domestically in germany, it is a massive - migrants and also domestically in. germany, it is a massive challenge for olaf— germany, it is a massive challenge for 0laf scholz's _ germany, it is a massive challenge for 0laf scholz's govern _ germany, it is a massive challenge for 0laf scholz's govern because i for 0laf scholz's govern because they are — for 0laf scholz's govern because they are facing _ for 0laf scholz's govern because they are facing election - for 0laf scholz's govern because they are facing election and - for 0laf scholz's govern because they are facing election and as l for 0laf scholz's govern because - they are facing election and as much in italy. _ they are facing election and as much in italy. there — they are facing election and as much in italy. there is _ they are facing election and as much in italy, there is domestic— they are facing election and as much in italy, there is domestic politics i in italy, there is domestic politics going _ in italy, there is domestic politics going on— in italy, there is domestic politics going on and _ in italy, there is domestic politics going on and the _ in italy, there is domestic politics going on and the afd, _ in italy, there is domestic politics going on and the afd, the - in italy, there is domestic politics - going on and the afd, the right—wing party is _ going on and the afd, the right—wing party is potting — going on and the afd, the right—wing party is polling very— going on and the afd, the right—wing party is polling very high _ going on and the afd, the right—wing party is polling very high and - going on and the afd, the right—wing party is polling very high and there i party is polling very high and there are etections— party is polling very high and there are elections coming _ party is polling very high and there are elections coming up. _ party is polling very high and there are elections coming up. so - party is polling very high and there are elections coming up. so for- party is polling very high and there| are elections coming up. so for the german— are elections coming up. so for the german government _ are elections coming up. so for the german government to _ are elections coming up. so for the german government to accept - are elections coming up. so for thei

german government to accept more migrants. _ german government to accept more migrants. this— german government to accept more migrants. this is— german government to accept more migrants. this is a — german government to accept more migrants, this is a big _ german government to accept more migrants, this is a big challenge. i migrants, this is a big challenge. also. _ migrants, this is a big challenge. also. giorgia _ migrants, this is a big challenge. also, giorgia meloni _ migrants, this is a big challenge. also, giorgia meloni wants - migrants, this is a big challenge. also, giorgia meloni wants this. also, giorgia meloni wants this naval— also, giorgia meloni wants this naval blockade _ also, giorgia meloni wants this naval blockade and _ also, giorgia meloni wants this naval blockade and this - also, giorgia meloni wants this naval blockade and this is - also, giorgia meloni wants this naval blockade and this is not i also, giorgia meloni wants this- naval blockade and this is not what brussels _ naval blockade and this is not what brussels wants _ naval blockade and this is not what brussels wants to _ naval blockade and this is not what brussels wants to do. _ naval blockade and this is not what brussels wants to do. i— naval blockade and this is not what brussels wants to do. i think - naval blockade and this is not what brussels wants to do. i think we i naval blockade and this is not whatl brussels wants to do. i think we are facing _ brussels wants to do. i think we are facing a _ brussels wants to do. i think we are facing a stand—off. _ brussels wants to do. i think we are facing a stand-off.— facing a stand-off. we'll have to leave it there _ facing a stand-off. we'll have to leave it there because _ facing a stand-off. we'll have to leave it there because we're - facing a stand-off. we'll have to - leave it there because we're coming up leave it there because we're coming up to the break. thank you both for your time. we will be right back with plenty more to come on the programme. hello again. although not on the same scale as the severe thunderstorms we had last night, we have had some pretty heavy downpours across parts of east anglia and cambridgeshire through the day today. these storms produced around 11 millimetres in the space ofjust one hour, which is a pretty hefty downpour of rain. the weather picture this week is looking very unsettled. it's all down to a strong jet stream across the atlantic, 150 mph winds high up in the atmosphere, and it's this trough that makes

areas of low pressure. they are going to get steered one after the next across the uk with tightly—packed isoba rs. well, that tells you it's going to be windy because it's the isobars the pressure gradient that makes the wind blow in the first place. now, overnight, it's nice. initially we've got a few showers, but later in the night we'll see a band of heavy rain spread across northern ireland before getting into parts of scotland, england and wales. mild in the south, cooler air in the north, the winds picking up all the way through the night. and then, for tomorrow, a wet and windy day on the cards. the rainfall totals really building up over the high ground of wales and northwest england, where, over the next couple of days, we could be looking at some localised flooding. this strong zone of winds will push the band of rain northwards across northern ireland, northern england and into scotland, with the peak winds probably working into northwest wales, where, around the coasts and hills, gusts could reach 60 odd mph. but for most of us, it will be a very windy day, windy enough to bring down a few tree branches. there could be some localised disruption in just one or two areas. now, about five days ago, hurricane lee was spinning around out in the tropical atlantic. since then, it turned into a normal area of low pressure that brought

wet and windy weather to eastern canada over the weekend. and, well, what's left of that hurricane is tied in with this area of low pressure. so, we've got some wet and windy weather moving its way eastwards across the country for wednesday. a cold front moving across england and wales, bringing a short—lived but intense spell of rain. some very strong wind, gusts just on and ahead of this weather front, and to the western side of scotland, we could also see a zone of very strong winds with gusts maybe reaching as much as 60 or 70 mph. however, there is still uncertainty about the exact strength of those winds for west scotland. itjust depends on the shape and the depth of that area of low pressure. it will stay wet and windy, though, into thursday. friday, quieter, a few showers around, saturday, probably dry, but more rain on the way for sunday. that's the latest.

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on his way to the un general assembly, the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu will touch down in california today, for a meeting with billionaire businessman elon musk. officially, the two men are meeting to discuss artificial intelligence. but of greater concern to american jews is the billionaire's record in tackling anti—semitism on his x platform. the anti—defamation league in the united states has accused musk of allowing hate speech to spread. what's more, their director, jonathan greenblatt, says by engaging with these people on his platform musk has on his platform, musk has "amplified" the messages of neo—nazis and white supremacists, who have targeted the league. arieh kovler, a political analyst, is joining me now from jerusalem. good to see you. they come in for a bit of criticism. are they taking refuge and each other�*s company? there was something to that, certainly. netanyahu was very eager to have a white house meeting and told the israeli public he's