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who used his "edgy" performances to chase ratings? they all knew he had a sex obsession, because he said so. why should young women in the media industry, and, in some cases, young men, have to fear for their safety and theirjobs when they go to work? we'll hear from a former culture secretary, the editor of broadcast magazine, and comedian grace campbell. also tonight... in a week when the government is selling its story on asylum immigration and small boats, how are the parties shaping up? and it's no good saying, "well, if you reach italy or greece or spain, claim asylum and they'll

take the lot." the trouble is, the system is being gamed, is being gamed by dodgy lawyers, by naive and sometimes malign interest groups and by people smugglers. no—one who gets here on a small boat thinks they're acting legally, after all. and... superyachts and the russian super—oligarghs who are swerving sanctions right under our noses. good evening. the media industry is finally facing up to the culture of unchecked predatory behaviour in live stage performance, radio, tv and film. russell brand boasted that he was just very, very promiscuous and, at the height of his fame, gleefully talked about his voracious sexual appetite and performing sex acts on women, which left some of them gagging. accused of rape, sexual assault and emotional abuse in the documentary, in plain sight, after a joint investigation by channel 4, the times and sunday times, the stand—up comedian, former prominent radio 2 host, actor, self—styled activist amd conspiracy theorist, once courted by the labour party, said he was the subject

of a co—ordinated attack and denied all allegations made by five women. the programme on saturday charted his alleged behaviour between 2006—2015, but today the met said it had received a report of a sexual assault which was alleged to have taken place in soho, in london in 2003. his upcoming live shows have been cancelled, and the bbc and channel 4 have launched inquiries into the allegations about brand. the commons culture committee may also set up an inquiry into bad behaviour in the creative industries. here's sima. russell brand. who are you to edit a political magazine? well, i suppose like a person who's being politely asked by an attractive woman. russell brand on newsnight in 2010. he's always been known for his promiscuous character, openly talking about his sex life and his desire for women. what about sex?

would you have called yourself a sex addict? he came on this programme five times over seven years and was questioned about his conduct, something he often discussed as part of his stand up comedy act. i mean, ifeel a bit nervous. 0k. this is how it works. do you look at your daughter now and think, i hope she never meets russell brand ? don't get so worked up about it. it's only a rhetorical device. does it appal? but now a series of serious allegations have raised questions about the severity of his behaviour. was it of a criminal nature? some of the women who've spoken to the times and channel 4 say it was. one of these women who we're calling alice has said that russell brand assaulted her when she was 16 and still at school.

this morning, alice spoke to radio 4. she had a relationship with him when she was 16, which is not illegal. i would sneak off and see him and russell groomed me and told me to save his number in my phone under a different name. and so that, you know, nothing's flagged when there's messages coming up. and he coached me on what to say to my parents. someone who worked with him has told us this evening that it was known he was having sex in the disabled loos at wogan house where he hosted his radio 2 show from. apparently people would simply say, "that's just russell." here's a whatsapp message from a former colleague of his. russell brand insists that all his relationships have been consensual, but many would argue that there has been inappropriate behaviour on a widespread and repeated scale.

if that's the case, why wasn't it called out? did former employers turn a blind eye? he's worked on channel 4, for the bbc and for endemol productions as well as others. and now we know that the bbc and channel 4 are carrying out their own investigations. the debate into his conduct also brings into sharp focus the power dynamic that is sometimes present in media organisations, where celebrities are sometimes seen as being untouchable and are able to do almost anything without objection. one person who also worked with him at radio 2 said he was given special treatment. in response to these whatsapp messages, the bbc said...

jen smith is setting up an independent standards body for the entertainment industry, which she says will give people somewhere to make complaints and seek advice. there is a significant gap in provision. cissa seeks to address that gap where people can report their concerns in real time and there will be an independent body who can provide advice and in the most serious and complex cases, investigate. there is no criminal investigation into russell brand in the eyes of the law. he is an innocent man.

—— in the highs of the law he is an innocent man. today, the met police confirmed it had received a report of an alleged sexual assault in 2003 in connection with the allegations made about him. when so many women come forward claiming sexual abuse, even rape, it would be irresponsible for the authorities and journalists not to ask questions. the times is now saying more women have come forward with alarming stories. i'm joined now by former culture secretary maria miller, the editor of broadcast magazine, chris curtis, and comedian grace campbell. maria miller, do you think russell brand was unable to by the media and entertainment companies he worked for? it entertainment companies he worked for? , . ., ., entertainment companies he worked for? ,. ., ., , for? it is clear from the reports that ou for? it is clear from the reports that you have _ for? it is clear from the reports that you have just _ for? it is clear from the reports that you have just played - for? it is clear from the reports that you have just played and l for? it is clear from the reports i that you have just played and also the things we have read in the media over the weekend that there appears to have been a broad acceptance that this behaviour was going on. we heard in the report earlier that there are policies and processes in place particularly at the bbc but

they simply don't do anything in practice when individual members of staff are facing appalling behaviour andindeed staff are facing appalling behaviour and indeed sexual harassment and abuse. i5 and indeed sexual harassment and abuse. , ,., and indeed sexual harassment and abuse. , ., . abuse. is the power imbalance, because women _ abuse. is the power imbalance, because women working - abuse. is the power imbalance, because women working across| abuse. is the power imbalance, - because women working across the board as runners and researchers and make—up artists and producers, the treated talent is king. find treated talent is king. and ultimately _ treated talent is king. and ultimately that _ treated talent is king. and ultimately that is - treated talent is king. and ultimately that is why - treated talent is king. fific ultimately that is why organisations like channel 4 and the bbc have to have robust processes in place. they also have to come clean because i think a lot of people listening this evening will be forgiven for thinking they have heard all this before on numerous occasions where other celebrities have been cut out. so can the bbc and channel 4, queen and also make sure they come clean on whether they have been using nondisclosure agreements to cover up wrongdoing because it seems strange that in some of the reporting people have not felt free to speak out. it is right across the board because it

is right across the board because it is google and netflix and streamers, chris curtis, it is a problem, he was also operating in plain sight. but who is more expendable? the young freelancer on a three week contract and a production company has a big budget for this star, the story goes, what happens to the production company?— story goes, what happens to the production company? invariably the star doesn't — production company? invariably the star doesn't go. _ production company? invariably the star doesn't go. the _ production company? invariably the star doesn't go. the truth _ production company? invariably the star doesn't go. the truth is - star doesn't go. the truth is about eyeballs. — star doesn't go. the truth is about eyeballs, pulling viewers to programmes stop what you want, what constitutes _ programmes stop what you want, what constitutes success, a returning series— constitutes success, a returning series bringing a show back, that means— series bringing a show back, that means a — series bringing a show back, that means a same sort of staying in place _ means a same sort of staying in place and — means a same sort of staying in place and you have freelancers and tv industry— place and you have freelancers and tv industry has a bit of an issue with— tv industry has a bit of an issue with freelance overall in terms of how it _ with freelance overall in terms of how it looks after and treats, in all kinds — how it looks after and treats, in all kinds of— how it looks after and treats, in all kinds of ways, long contracts, certainty — all kinds of ways, long contracts, certainty about where the next paycheque is going from, but how the tv industry— paycheque is going from, but how the tv industry treats the people that make _ tv industry treats the people that make shows is a big problem. | tv industry treats the people that make shows is a big problem. i am sure we have _ make shows is a big problem. i am sure we have all _ make shows is a big problem. i am sure we have all seen it _ make shows is a big problem. i —n sure we have all seen it because we

have witnessed it, it might not be of the russell brand nature but that could be bullying or belittling, all these different things. grace campbell, when you came into the industry as a stand—up, where you worried about russell brand? industry as a stand-up, where you worried about russell brand? when i started doing — worried about russell brand? when i started doing stand-up _ worried about russell brand? when i started doing stand-up it _ worried about russell brand? when i started doing stand-up it was, - worried about russell brand? when i started doing stand-up it was, there | started doing stand—up it was, there were a _ started doing stand—up it was, there were a few— started doing stand—up it was, there were a few nren— started doing stand—up it was, there were a few men when _ started doing stand—up it was, there were a few men when i _ started doing stand—up it was, there were a few men when i started - started doing stand—up it was, there| were a few men when i started doing stand-up _ were a few men when i started doing stand-up comedy _ were a few men when i started doing stand—up comedy women _ were a few men when i started doing stand—up comedy women who had i were a few men when i started doing i stand—up comedy women who had been in the industry— stand—up comedy women who had been in the industry warned _ stand—up comedy women who had been in the industry warned me _ stand—up comedy women who had been in the industry warned me not- stand—up comedy women who had been in the industry warned me not to - in the industry warned me not to ever— in the industry warned me not to ever be — in the industry warned me not to ever be in— in the industry warned me not to ever be in a _ in the industry warned me not to ever be in a room _ in the industry warned me not to ever be in a room with _ in the industry warned me not to ever be in a room with him i in the industry warned me not to ever be in a room with him or. in the industry warned me not to i ever be in a room with him or ever wark— ever be in a room with him or ever work with him. _ ever be in a room with him or ever work with him, that _ ever be in a room with him or ever work with him, that is _ ever be in a room with him or ever work with him, that is the - ever be in a room with him or ever work with him, that is the sort i ever be in a room with him or ever work with him, that is the sort of. work with him, that is the sort of amazing — work with him, that is the sort of amazing lrut— work with him, that is the sort of amazing but sad _ work with him, that is the sort of amazing but sad thing _ work with him, that is the sort of amazing but sad thing that - work with him, that is the sort of. amazing but sad thing that women create _ amazing but sad thing that women create these — amazing but sad thing that women create these networks _ amazing but sad thing that women create these networks where i amazing but sad thing that women create these networks where you i amazing but sad thing that women i create these networks where you have to speak _ create these networks where you have to speak about — create these networks where you have to speak about her— create these networks where you have to speak about her not _ create these networks where you have to speak about her not to _ create these networks where you have to speak about her not to work - create these networks where you have to speak about her not to work with i to speak about her not to work with because _ to speak about her not to work with because it — to speak about her not to work with because it is — to speak about her not to work with because it is almost _ to speak about her not to work with because it is almost like _ to speak about her not to work with because it is almost like we - to speak about her not to work with because it is almost like we take i because it is almost like we take some _ because it is almost like we take some responsibility— because it is almost like we take some responsibility for- because it is almost like we take some responsibility for it. - because it is almost like we take some responsibility for it. you i some responsibility for it. you don't — some responsibility for it. you don't want _ some responsibility for it. you don't want to _ some responsibility for it. you don't want to be _ some responsibility for it. you don't want to be put _ some responsibility for it. you don't want to be put in - some responsibility for it. you don't want to be put in harmsi some responsibility for it. you i don't want to be put in harms way but you _ don't want to be put in harms way but you also— don't want to be put in harms way but you also don't _ don't want to be put in harms way but you also don't want _ don't want to be put in harms way but you also don't want to - don't want to be put in harms way but you also don't want to say i don't want to be put in harms way but you also don't want to say nol don't want to be put in harms way. but you also don't want to say no to work that _ but you also don't want to say no to work that you — but you also don't want to say no to work that you should _ but you also don't want to say no to work that you should take - but you also don't want to say no to work that you should take but i but you also don't want to say no to work that you should take but it i but you also don't want to say no to work that you should take but it is. work that you should take but it is almost _ work that you should take but it is almost dear— work that you should take but it is almost dear mrs _ work that you should take but it is almost dear mrs put _ work that you should take but it is almost dear mrs put on _ work that you should take but it is almost dear mrs put on a. - work that you should take but it is almost dear mrs put on a. i- work that you should take but it is almost dear mrs put on a. i wonder if there is a — almost dear mrs put on a. i wonder if there is a predatory _ almost dear mrs put on a. i wonder if there is a predatory atmosphere l if there is a predatory atmosphere on the circuit. i if there is a predatory atmosphere on the circuit.— on the circuit. i feel it is changing- _ on the circuit. i feel it is changing. there - on the circuit. i feel it is changing. there is i on the circuit. i feel it is changing. there is to i on the circuit. i feel it is changing. there is to an on the circuit. i feel it is i changing. there is to an extent on the circuit. i feel it is _

changing. there is to an extent but comedy— changing. there is to an extent but comedy has — changing. there is to an extent but comedy has changed _ changing. there is to an extent but comedy has changed so _ changing. there is to an extent but comedy has changed so much- changing. there is to an extent but comedy has changed so much in. changing. there is to an extent butl comedy has changed so much in the last two— comedy has changed so much in the last two years — comedy has changed so much in the last two years since _ comedy has changed so much in the last two years since i _ comedy has changed so much in the last two years since i have - comedy has changed so much in the last two years since i have been i last two years since i have been doing _ last two years since i have been doing it — last two years since i have been doing it that— last two years since i have been doing it that i_ last two years since i have been doing it that i feel— last two years since i have been doing it that i feel very- last two years since i have been doing it that i feel very lucky. last two years since i have been. doing it that i feel very lucky that i doing it that i feel very lucky that i pretty— doing it that i feel very lucky that i pretty much— doing it that i feel very lucky that i pretty much only _ doing it that i feel very lucky that i pretty much only work - doing it that i feel very lucky that i pretty much only work with i doing it that i feel very lucky that i i pretty much only work with women now and _ i pretty much only work with women now and gay— i pretty much only work with women now and gay men— i pretty much only work with women now and gay men so— i pretty much only work with women now and gay men so i— i pretty much only work with women now and gay men so i am _ i pretty much only work with women now and gay men so i am not reallyl now and gay men so i am not really around _ now and gay men so i am not really around men — now and gay men so i am not really around men that _ now and gay men so i am not really around men that have _ now and gay men so i am not really around men that have made - now and gay men so i am not really around men that have made the i around men that have made the predatory — around men that have made the predatory it _ around men that have made the predatory. it has _ around men that have made the predatory. it has been - around men that have made the predatory. it has been a - around men that have made the predatory. it has been a toxic. predatory. it has been a toxic industry— predatory. it has been a toxic industry for— predatory. it has been a toxic industry for a _ predatory. it has been a toxic industry for a long _ predatory. it has been a toxic industry for a long time i predatory. it has been a toxic industry for a long time and l predatory. it has been a toxic| industry for a long time and it hasn't — industry for a long time and it hasn't been _ industry for a long time and it hasn't been wheeled - industry for a long time and it hasn't been wheeled out i industry for a long time and it i hasn't been wheeled out evidently. do you _ hasn't been wheeled out evidently. do you think— hasn't been wheeled out evidently. do you think about _ hasn't been wheeled out evidently. do you think about russell - hasn't been wheeled out evidently. do you think about russell brand . hasn't been wheeled out evidently. . do you think about russell brand was doing was essentially using sex positive to caucus predatory motives? i positive to caucus predatory motives?— positive to caucus predatory motives? ., �* ~ . motives? i don't think so. i am branded as _ motives? i don't think so. i am branded as a _ motives? i don't think so. i am branded as a sex _ motives? i don't think so. i am branded as a sex -positive - motives? i don't think so. i am - branded as a sex -positive comedian branded as a sex —positive comedian and kitchen — branded as a sex —positive comedian and kitchen for— branded as a sex —positive comedian and kitchen for it _ branded as a sex —positive comedian and kitchen for it a _ branded as a sex —positive comedian and kitchen for it a lot. _ branded as a sex —positive comedian and kitchen for it a lot. i— and kitchen for it a lot. i was right— and kitchen for it a lot. i was right and _ and kitchen for it a lot. i was right and i_ and kitchen for it a lot. i was right and i am _ and kitchen for it a lot. i was right and i am very- and kitchen for it a lot. i was right and i am very public. and kitchen for it a lot. i was i right and i am very public about that and — right and i am very public about that and a — right and i am very public about that and a lot _ right and i am very public about that and a lot of _ right and i am very public about that and a lot of people - right and i am very public about that and a lot of people say- right and i am very public about that and a lot of people say i. that and a lot of people say i deserve _ that and a lot of people say i deserve it— that and a lot of people say i deserve it because _ that and a lot of people say i deserve it because i- that and a lot of people say i deserve it because i spoke . that and a lot of people say i- deserve it because i spoke about it on my— deserve it because i spoke about it on my comedy _ deserve it because i spoke about it on my comedy. what _ deserve it because i spoke about it on my comedy. what did _ deserve it because i spoke about it on my comedy. what did i- deserve it because i spoke about it on my comedy. what did i expect? deserve it because i spoke about it i on my comedy. what did i expect? to hear that— on my comedy. what did i expect? to hear that offends _ on my comedy. what did i expect? to hear that offends me _ on my comedy. what did i expect? to hear that offends me because - on my comedy. what did i expect? to hear that offends me because he - hear that offends me because he wasn't _ hear that offends me because he wasn't sex — hear that offends me because he wasn't sex positive. _ hear that offends me because he wasn't sex positive. he - hear that offends me because he wasn't sex positive. he was - wasn't sex positive. he was exploiting _ wasn't sex positive. he was exotoitihd to— wasn't sex positive. he was exploiting. to abuse - wasn't sex positive. he wasi exploiting. to abuse people. wasn't sex positive. he was exploiting. to abuse people. chris, the extraordinary _ exploiting. to abuse people. chris, the extraordinary thing _ exploiting. to abuse people. chris, the extraordinary thing is _ exploiting. to abuse people. chris, the extraordinary thing is he - exploiting. to abuse peoplem the extraordinary thing is he posted about his sexual predilections on the lorraine show. these things

don't happen by magic. producers say we want to hear about this. there was a salacious nature in some of these shows. was a salacious nature in some of these showe— was a salacious nature in some of these shows-— these shows. russell brand was booked because _ these shows. russell brand was booked because he _ these shows. russell brand was booked because he was - these shows. russell brand was booked because he was edgy i these shows. russell brand was l booked because he was edgy stuff that was— booked because he was edgy stuff that was the consensus. the other thing _ that was the consensus. the other thing worth— that was the consensus. the other thing worth saying is russell brand was unbelievably popular. we look back was unbelievably popular. we look hack at— was unbelievably popular. we look back at att— was unbelievably popular. we look back at all the groups in recent days. _ back at all the groups in recent days, he — back at all the groups in recent days, he was packing out auditoriums to doing _ days, he was packing out auditoriums to doing stand—up shows, but now you look to doing stand—up shows, but now you took at _ to doing stand—up shows, but now you took at it— to doing stand—up shows, but now you took at it and — to doing stand—up shows, but now you look at it and you think at best it might— look at it and you think at best it might be — look at it and you think at best it might be misogynistic and at worst it is offensive. people were lapping it is offensive. people were lapping it on _ it is offensive. people were lapping it on it _ it is offensive. people were lapping it on it was — it is offensive. people were lapping it up. it was very popular and it is not it up. it was very popular and it is hot to— it up. it was very popular and it is not to excuse it, with the industry, but there _ not to excuse it, with the industry, but there was a feeling that this was broadly acceptable and he was booked _ was broadly acceptable and he was booked to — was broadly acceptable and he was booked to be an edgy comic and he was performing, giving the producers what they— was performing, giving the producers what they wanted. that was performing, giving the producers what they wanted.— what they wanted. that was the issues, what they wanted. that was the issues. giving — what they wanted. that was the issues, giving the _ what they wanted. that was the issues, giving the producers - what they wanted. that was the | issues, giving the producers and commissioners what they wanted.

maria miller, what is so different about the culture around young researchers at westminster because westminster is certainly not averse to its own problems when it comes to the way it treats junior members of staff. it the way it treats “unior members of staff. . ,. the way it treats “unior members of staff. , ,. , ., staff. it is the same power imbalance _ staff. it is the same power imbalance you _ staff. it is the same power imbalance you talk- staff. it is the same power imbalance you talk about i staff. it is the same power - imbalance you talk about earlier on and that is why we put in place lots of systems and processes which we vet and scrutinise to make sure not just young people but anybody who is in a morejunior position in parliament feels they can speak out and i think organisations who are either production companies were talent agencies need to take a long hard look at the way they are helping people who are in their organisation to be able to speak out if they encounter this sort of abusive behaviour, it is unacceptable.— abusive behaviour, it is unacceptable. abusive behaviour, it is unaccetable. ,, , , ., unacceptable. jen smith is trying to set u- this unacceptable. jen smith is trying to set up this independent _ unacceptable. jen smith is trying to set up this independent standard, l unacceptable. jen smith is trying to l set up this independent standard, he has been working at this for some time and it is still not of the grand. time and it is still not of the rand. ., , . , . ~ grand. two years in the making. i do think the industry _ grand. two years in the making. i do think the industry is _ grand. two years in the making. i do think the industry is slowly _ grand. two years in the making. i do think the industry is slowly inching . think the industry is slowly inching towards _ think the industry is slowly inching towards that. it is think the industry is slowly inching towards that.— think the industry is slowly inching towards that._ it - think the industry is slowly inching towards that._ it is - towards that. it is 2023. it is ridiculous. _

towards that. it is 2023. it is ridiculous. the _ towards that. it is 2023. it is ridiculous. the reality - towards that. it is 2023. it is ridiculous. the reality as - towards that. it is 2023. it is ridiculous. the reality as it i towards that. it is 2023. it isj ridiculous. the reality as it is easy— ridiculous. the reality as it is easy to — ridiculous. the reality as it is easy to say zero tolerance and have a phone _ easy to say zero tolerance and have a phone number on the call sheet, to have a _ a phone number on the call sheet, to have a website, someone you can reach _ have a website, someone you can reach out — have a website, someone you can reach out to, it is hard to genuinely make, particularlyjunior, genuinely make, particularly junior, younger— genuinely make, particularly junior, younger members, genuinely make, particularlyjunior, younger members, freelance production crew, feel confident that they can _ production crew, feel confident that they can actually make use of those facilities _ they can actually make use of those facilities it— they can actually make use of those facilities. it is the culture. it is as much— facilities. it is the culture. it is as much the culture that a production operates under as it is the practical facilities in place. the royal television society conference is coming up and it assumes— conference is coming up and it assumes the programme will have to put something about this and because who witt— put something about this and because who will put policies in place? all the production companies have policies — the production companies have policies. they have said over the last couple — policies. they have said over the last couple of days these policies are far _ last couple of days these policies are far more robust than they were for these _ are far more robust than they were for these historic accusations but the truth — for these historic accusations but the truth of the matter is that there — the truth of the matter is that there is— the truth of the matter is that there is a _ the truth of the matter is that there is a gap between the theory of all of this— there is a gap between the theory of all of this and the practice. it is

how power _ all of this and the practice. it is how power dynamics work. it is why so few people — how power dynamics work. it is why so few people go _ how power dynamics work. it is why so few people go to _ how power dynamics work. it is why so few people go to the _ how power dynamics work. it is why so few people go to the police - so few people go to the police because — so few people go to the police because if— so few people go to the police because if someone _ so few people go to the police because if someone is - so few people go to the police because if someone is more . so few people go to the police - because if someone is more powerful than them, _ because if someone is more powerful than them, russell— because if someone is more powerful than them, russell brand, _ because if someone is more powerful than them, russell brand, you - because if someone is more powerful than them, russell brand, you think| than them, russell brand, you think what witt— than them, russell brand, you think what will happen _ than them, russell brand, you think what will happen to _ than them, russell brand, you think what will happen to me? _ than them, russell brand, you think what will happen to me? i— than them, russell brand, you think what will happen to me? i was - what will happen to me? i was infuriated _ what will happen to me? i was infuriated yesterday, - what will happen to me? i was infuriated yesterday, looking i what will happen to me? i was - infuriated yesterday, looking online at what's _ infuriated yesterday, looking online at what's a — infuriated yesterday, looking online at what's a documentary _ infuriated yesterday, looking online at what's a documentary and - infuriated yesterday, looking online at what's a documentary and was i infuriated yesterday, looking online| at what's a documentary and was so sad for— at what's a documentary and was so sad for had — at what's a documentary and was so sad for had come _ at what's a documentary and was so sad for had come in _ at what's a documentary and was so sad for had come in the _ at what's a documentary and was so sad for had come in the internet - at what's a documentary and was so| sad for had come in the internet and some _ sad for had come in the internet and some of— sad for had come in the internet and some of the — sad for had come in the internet and some of the things _ sad for had come in the internet and some of the things people _ sad for had come in the internet and some of the things people are - sad for had come in the internet and | some of the things people are saying were terrific — some of the things people are saying were terrific. when _ some of the things people are saying were terrific. when you _ some of the things people are saying were terrific. when you have - some of the things people are saying were terrific. when you have me - some of the things people are saying were terrific. when you have me in. were terrific. when you have me in that situation — were terrific. when you have me in that situation and _ were terrific. when you have me in that situation and you _ were terrific. when you have me in that situation and you are - were terrific. when you have me in that situation and you are coming i were terrific. when you have me in. that situation and you are coming up against _ that situation and you are coming up against a _ that situation and you are coming up against a powerful— that situation and you are coming up against a powerful rich _ that situation and you are coming up against a powerful rich man - that situation and you are coming up against a powerful rich man who - that situation and you are coming up against a powerful rich man who hasj against a powerful rich man who has iawyers _ against a powerful rich man who has lawyers aplenty. _ against a powerful rich man who has lawyers aplenty, nothing _ against a powerful rich man who has lawyers aplenty, nothing is - against a powerful rich man who has lawyers aplenty, nothing is going. against a powerful rich man who has lawyers aplenty, nothing is going to| lawyers aplenty, nothing is going to happen _ lawyers aplenty, nothing is going to ha en. ., . ~' lawyers aplenty, nothing is going to hauen. ., . ~' . lawyers aplenty, nothing is going to ha en, ., ., " ., lawyers aplenty, nothing is going to hauen. ., . ~' . happen. you talk about powerful rich man, happen. you talk about powerful rich man. maria — happen. you talk about powerful rich man, maria miller, _ happen. you talk about powerful rich man, maria miller, russell— happen. you talk about powerful rich man, maria miller, russell brand - happen. you talk about powerful rich l man, maria miller, russell brand may have his live show can't but he is still making money from netflix, youtube, tiktok, this is a free world, a market driven society, should he be allowed to benefit from this kind of stuff on all these platforms? it this kind of stuff on all these platforms?— platforms? it is up to those platforms _ platforms? it is up to those platforms to _ platforms? it is up to those platforms to decide - platforms? it is up to those platforms to decide on - platforms? it is up to those - platforms to decide on whether or not they want to be associated with somebody who is now subject to potential criminal investigations. i think what we have to focus on is

making sure that our house is in order at home and our public service broadcasters are really doing everything they can not only to have policies in place now but merely get the skeleton is out of the cupboards and what other things are they not telling us about which as i say may have been covered up and hopefully forgotten but they are not and they get wheeled out time and time again and let's just get wheeled out time and time again and let'sjust get get wheeled out time and time again and let's just get the slate clean here, what are not being told? thank ou. grappling i think there are probably a lot more skeletons. and if you have been affected by any of the issues raised in this segment, the bbc�*s action line has resources and support to help. ahead of the general election, the government sees the issue of asylum immigration and small boats as one where there literally is clear blue water between the conservatives and labour, and after last week's efforts by keir starmer to promote a possible returns dealfor asylum seekers, the government has made it clear that's nowhere in their plans. today marked the start of a week of government plans and initiatives on immigration.

every night this week in our channel crossings series, newsnight will be reporting on all aspects of this most divisive of policy areas, culminating in a special debate show on thursday. but to kick us off, here's nick with a look at how labour and the conservatives are battling over the contentious politics of migration. a generation of politicians from across the piece, all grappling with one of the potent challenges of our time. we one of the potent challenges of our time. ~ . . .. time. we need a new, radical, improved _ time. we need a new, radical, improved approach _ time. we need a new, radical, improved approach to - time. we need a new, radical, - improved approach to immigration and asylum. it is improved approach to immigration and as lum. , ., , ., improved approach to immigration and as lum. , ., ., . asylum. it is not racist for anyone, ethnic minority _ asylum. it is not racist for anyone, ethnic minority or otherwise, - asylum. it is not racist for anyone, ethnic minority or otherwise, to i ethnic minority or otherwise, to want _ ethnic minority or otherwise, to want to— ethnic minority or otherwise, to want to control our borders. and now, want to control our borders. and now. with _ want to control our borders. and now. with an _ want to control our borders. fific now, with an election looming, an issue for politicians that divides and may decide their fate. this issue for politicians that divides and may decide their fate. this is a ulobal and may decide their fate. this is a

global challenge, _ and may decide their fate. this is a global challenge, and it _ and may decide their fate. this is a global challenge, and it should - global challenge, and it should be treated as such. it is no good saying, well, if you reach italy or grace or spain, claim asylum and they will take the lot. of course, thatis they will take the lot. of course, that is nonsense.— that is nonsense. this is a small island with _ that is nonsense. this is a small island with huge _ that is nonsense. this is a small island with huge pressure - that is nonsense. this is a small island with huge pressure on - island with huge pressure on resources. people come to my surgery asking _ resources. people come to my surgery asking about _ resources. people come to my surgery asking about our success to dentists and doctors. they come asking... i have _ and doctors. they come asking... i have to _ and doctors. they come asking... i have to say— and doctors. they come asking... i have to say to them, there will be a much _ have to say to them, there will be a much greater chance if we weren't going _ much greater chance if we weren't going our— much greater chance if we weren't going our population so dramatically.— going our population so dramaticall. ., ., , , dramatically. for most voters, it is the perceived _ dramatically. for most voters, it is the perceived unfairness _ dramatically. for most voters, it is the perceived unfairness of- dramatically. for most voters, it is the perceived unfairness of illegall the perceived unfairness of illegal immigration — the perceived unfairness of illegal immigration that— the perceived unfairness of illegal immigration that they _ the perceived unfairness of illegal immigration that they care - the perceived unfairness of illegal immigration that they care most i immigration that they care most strongly— immigration that they care most strongly about _ immigration that they care most strongly about. de _ immigration that they care most strongly about.— immigration that they care most stronal about. , ., . , strongly about. de two main parties have the same _ strongly about. de two main parties have the same aim _ strongly about. de two main parties have the same aim - _ strongly about. de two main parties have the same aim - deterrence, i have the same aim — deterrence, but this will be achieved in vastly different ways, highlighting opposing visions. rishi sunak is focusing directly on the migrants. no one crossing on a small boat will be allowed to claim asylum on the grounds that they have arrived illegally. all but a handful are to

be removed from the uk, with rwanda as the preferred destination. a deterrent designed to break the smuggler�*s economic model from below. keir starmer would directly target the smugglers. they would be treated as terrorists, with labour working in close cooperation with the eu. that is designed to break the eu. that is designed to break the smugglers' economic model from the smugglers' economic model from the top. eligible migrants on this route could claim asylum. both parties have been contemplating some form of return agreement with the eu to send back some migrants. a likely brussels demand for the uk to take some migrants the other way is being played down by both parties. as we approach the general election, keir starmer is taking a highly cautious approach and closing off potentially vulnerable flanks. so, is there a big difference between labour and the conservatives on the defining issue of tax and spend? but on

asylum and immigration, we are seeing different ideas and different solutions. the challenge for whoever is in government is can they deliver? i is in government is can they deliver? . is in government is can they deliver? , ,, . �* . . deliver? i remember suella braverman sa in: it deliver? i remember suella braverman saying it would — deliver? i remember suella braverman saying it would be _ deliver? i remember suella braverman saying it would be her _ deliver? i remember suella braverman saying it would be her dream _ deliver? i remember suella braverman saying it would be her dream to - deliver? i remember suella braverman saying it would be her dream to see i saying it would be her dream to see the plane take off. that was almost a year ago. what that means is the british public have been seeing coverage of this policy specifically, and it now seems like a shambles because nothing has happened. a shambles because nothing has ha ened. ., . happened. peril for a government in office for over _ happened. peril for a government in office for over a _ happened. peril for a government in office for over a decade. _ happened. peril for a government in office for over a decade. you - happened. peril for a government in office for over a decade. you have . office for over a decade. you have seen the comment _ office for over a decade. you have seen the comment ramp - office for over a decade. you have seen the comment ramp up - office for over a decade. you have l seen the comment ramp up rhetoric around immigration, specifically illegal immigration. they have good reason to do this on paper. we can see that conservative 2019 voters, the voters they are desperately trying to keep a hold of in the run—up to the next election, really care about at immigration and what it reduced. focusing on this makes sense, that is what they did. however, they are becoming slightly a victim of their own rhetoric because the more it is in the press, the more people think it is not

going to happen. what they are seeing is a policy or a whole series of policies which are fundamentally failing to deliver what they would like to see, ieee stopped the boats. i am confident that suella braverman has got _ i am confident that suella braverman has got it— i am confident that suella braverman has got it right. she is an exceptional home secretary, she speaks _ exceptional home secretary, she speaks for the people.— speaks for the people. a former security minister _ speaks for the people. a former security minister who _ speaks for the people. a former security minister who is - speaks for the people. a former security minister who is an - speaks for the people. a former security minister who is an ally. speaks for the people. a former | security minister who is an ally of suella braverman strongly defends government's approach on channel crossings. government's approach on channel crossinus. . government's approach on channel crossinus. , , ., government's approach on channel crossinus. , , , ., , government's approach on channel crossinus. , . crossings. this country should be a safe haven — crossings. this country should be a safe haven if— crossings. this country should be a safe haven if you _ crossings. this country should be a safe haven if you are _ crossings. this country should be a safe haven if you are in _ crossings. this country should be a safe haven if you are in genuine . safe haven if you are in genuine fear— safe haven if you are in genuine fear of— safe haven if you are in genuine fear of your— safe haven if you are in genuine fear of your life or well—being. fear of your life or well— being. that _ fear of your life or well— being. that has — fear of your life or well—being. that has been the case over decades, and it— that has been the case over decades, and it should — that has been the case over decades, and it should continue to be so. the trouble _ and it should continue to be so. the trouble is _ and it should continue to be so. the trouble is the system is being gamed by dodgy— trouble is the system is being gamed by dodgy lawyers, by naive and sometimes malign interest groups, and by— sometimes malign interest groups, and by people smugglers. no one who -ets and by people smugglers. no one who gets your— and by people smugglers. no one who gets your on a small boat thinks they are — gets your on a small boat thinks they are acting legally. 100% of them _ they are acting legally. 100% of them have travelled through safe countries — them have travelled through safe countries where they have not

claimed — countries where they have not claimed asylum. but countries where they have not claimed asylum.— countries where they have not claimed as lum. �* ,, g ., , claimed asylum. but sirjohn hayes believes the _ claimed asylum. but sirjohn hayes believes the government _ claimed asylum. but sirjohn hayes believes the government is - claimed asylum. but sirjohn hayes believes the government is letting | believes the government is letting in too many migrants on established routes. .,, , . , routes. those things that unite us are greater _ routes. those things that unite us are greater than _ routes. those things that unite us are greater than those _ routes. those things that unite us are greater than those things - routes. those things that unite us are greater than those things that divide _ are greater than those things that divide us, — are greater than those things that divide us, means that all those in this country— divide us, means that all those in this country need to be accommodated in a way— this country need to be accommodated in a way that— this country need to be accommodated in a way that nurtures that sense of self belonging. i think that is endangered by the volume of change that 600,000 people a year, 6 million — that 600,000 people a year, 6 million people over a decade. 20 ears million people over a decade. years ago, million people over a decade. 20 years ago, we face the same problems of organised _ years ago, we face the same problems of organised criminals _ years ago, we face the same problems of organised criminals trafficking - of organised criminals trafficking vulnerable — of organised criminals trafficking vulnerable people _ of organised criminals trafficking vulnerable people across - of organised criminals trafficking vulnerable people across the - of organised criminals trafficking. vulnerable people across the world. a former _ vulnerable people across the world. a former home _ vulnerable people across the world. a former home secretary _ vulnerable people across the world. a former home secretary who - vulnerable people across the world. | a former home secretary who drove down a number of crossings, and lord blunkett has little time for this government's approach. we blunkett has little time for this government's approach. we have got to be honest — government's approach. we have got to be honest about _ government's approach. we have got to be honest about this, _ government's approach. we have got to be honest about this, simply - to be honest about this, simply saying. — to be honest about this, simply saying. we _ to be honest about this, simply saying, we passed _ to be honest about this, simply saying, we passed a _ to be honest about this, simply saying, we passed a bill- to be honest about this, simply saying, we passed a bill that. to be honest about this, simply - saying, we passed a bill that makes it illegal— saying, we passed a bill that makes it illegal for— saying, we passed a bill that makes it illegal for you _ saying, we passed a bill that makes it illegal for you to _ saying, we passed a bill that makes it illegal for you to claim _ saying, we passed a bill that makes it illegal for you to claim asylum, . it illegal for you to claim asylum, because — it illegal for you to claim asylum, because it — it illegal for you to claim asylum, because it is _ it illegal for you to claim asylum, because it is illegal— it illegal for you to claim asylum, because it is illegal you -

it illegal for you to claim asylum, because it is illegal you are - it illegal for you to claim asylum, because it is illegal you are now. it illegal for you to claim asylum, | because it is illegal you are now a criminal— because it is illegal you are now a criminal for— because it is illegal you are now a criminalfor claiming— because it is illegal you are now a criminal for claiming asylum, - because it is illegal you are now a criminalfor claiming asylum, and| because it is illegal you are now a . criminal for claiming asylum, and as a criminal— criminal for claiming asylum, and as a criminalyou— criminal for claiming asylum, and as a criminalyou are— criminal for claiming asylum, and as a criminal you are breaching - criminal for claiming asylum, and as a criminal you are breaching our- a criminal you are breaching our values and _ a criminal you are breaching our values and acting _ a criminal you are breaching our values and acting beyond - a criminal you are breaching our values and acting beyond the i a criminal you are breaching our. values and acting beyond the rule a criminal you are breaching our- values and acting beyond the rule of law is— values and acting beyond the rule of law is an _ values and acting beyond the rule of law is an absolute _ values and acting beyond the rule of law is an absolute nonsensical- values and acting beyond the rule of law is an absolute nonsensical piecej law is an absolute nonsensical piece of sophistry — law is an absolute nonsensical piece of sophistry it _ law is an absolute nonsensical piece of sophistry. it only... _ law is an absolute nonsensical piece of sophistry. it only... this - law is an absolute nonsensical piece of sophistry. it only... this home i of sophistry. it only... this home secretary— of sophistry. it only... this home secretary could _ of sophistry. it only... this home secretary could possibly - of sophistry. it only... this home secretary could possibly have - of sophistry. it only... this home - secretary could possibly have dreamt up secretary could possibly have dreamt up something — secretary could possibly have dreamt up something that _ secretary could possibly have dreamt up something that creates _ up something that creates criminality— up something that creates criminality and _ up something that creates criminality and then - up something that creates i criminality and then punishes up something that creates _ criminality and then punishes people for being _ criminality and then punishes people for being a _ criminality and then punishes people for being a criminal. _ criminality and then punishes people for being a criminal.— for being a criminal. lord blunkett believes keir— for being a criminal. lord blunkett believes keir starmer _ for being a criminal. lord blunkett believes keir starmer is _ for being a criminal. lord blunkett believes keir starmer is right - for being a criminal. lord blunkett believes keir starmer is right to i believes keir starmer is right to aim for closer cooperation with the eu. ~ aim for closer cooperation with the eu. . ., ., aim for closer cooperation with the eu. ~ ., ., ., ., , eu. we have got to get real in terms of --roer eu. we have got to get real in terms of proper resettlement _ eu. we have got to get real in terms of proper resettlement schemes - of proper resettlement schemes across _ of proper resettlement schemes across the — of proper resettlement schemes across the world. _ of proper resettlement schemes across the world. we _ of proper resettlement schemes across the world. we have - of proper resettlement schemes across the world. we have got l of proper resettlement schemes| across the world. we have got to of proper resettlement schemes - across the world. we have got to get real in— across the world. we have got to get real in terms — across the world. we have got to get real in terms of— across the world. we have got to get real in terms of agreements - across the world. we have got to get real in terms of agreements with - real in terms of agreements with the french— real in terms of agreements with the french and _ real in terms of agreements with the french and across _ real in terms of agreements with the french and across europe. _ real in terms of agreements with the french and across europe. we - real in terms of agreements with the french and across europe. we have i french and across europe. we have -ot french and across europe. we have got to— french and across europe. we have got to not _ french and across europe. we have got to not only— french and across europe. we have got to not only rejoin _ french and across europe. we have got to not only rejoin some - french and across europe. we have got to not only rejoin some of - french and across europe. we have got to not only rejoin some of the i got to not only rejoin some of the schemes— got to not only rejoin some of the schemes that _ got to not only rejoin some of the schemes that we _ got to not only rejoin some of the schemes that we have _ got to not only rejoin some of the schemes that we have pulled - got to not only rejoin some of the schemes that we have pulled out| got to not only rejoin some of the i schemes that we have pulled out of and get _ schemes that we have pulled out of and get a _ schemes that we have pulled out of and get a much _ schemes that we have pulled out of and get a much better— schemes that we have pulled out of and get a much better relationshipl and get a much better relationship with europe, — and get a much better relationship with europe, but _ and get a much better relationship with europe, but we _ and get a much better relationship with europe, but we have - and get a much better relationship with europe, but we have also- and get a much better relationship with europe, but we have also got| and get a much better relationship. with europe, but we have also got to understand _ with europe, but we have also got to understand where _ with europe, but we have also got to understand where the _ with europe, but we have also got to understand where the french are - understand where the french are coming _ understand where the french are coming from _ understand where the french are coming from and _ understand where the french are coming from and work _ understand where the french are coming from and work with - understand where the french are coming from and work with the l understand where the french are - coming from and work with the grain of an— coming from and work with the grain of an agreement _ coming from and work with the grain of an agreement that _ coming from and work with the grain of an agreement that will, _ coming from and work with the grain of an agreement that will, in - coming from and work with the grain of an agreement that will, in the - of an agreement that will, in the lon- of an agreement that will, in the long term, — of an agreement that will, in the long term, resolve _ of an agreement that will, in the long term, resolve this - of an agreement that will, in the| long term, resolve this problem. of an agreement that will, in the - long term, resolve this problem. the holders of long term, resolve this problem. holders of the trickiest of long term, resolve this problem. tip; holders of the trickiest of cabinet posts, and with millions of people

on the move across the world, immigration will no doubt vex their successors. nick reporting there. tomorrow night we look at how the local community in colchester feel about the increase in asylum seekers in their town and what impact, if any, their presence is having on public services. i do feel very sorry for people that are coming over from countries that aren't nice and they've got children because i would want to get away from it if i'd got a young family. but i do have reservations about young people that are coming over that don't need to. they don't. .. there's no work. there's nowhere for them to live. whatever�*s going on in the ground war in ukraine, there is another frontline in that war where russia should be losing — the sanctions war where those oligarchs close to vladimir putin find their assets frozen, a technique that is supposed to put pressure on him to end the war. on this frontline, many thought it would be the seizing of yachts and mansions that would mark

the route to victory, but that is proving difficult, asjoe inwood reports. since april, the alpha nero has languished in falmouth harbour. seized by the antiguan government, who said the multi—million pound yacht had been abandoned. this who said the multi-million pound yacht had been abandoned. this is the swimming _ yacht had been abandoned. this is the swimming pool, _ yacht had been abandoned. this is the swimming pool, helipad. - yacht had been abandoned. this is the swimming pool, helipad. its . the swimming pool, helipad. its helipad on use, the retractable swimming pool covered up, its valuable artwork seen only by the crew. ~ . . valuable artwork seen only by the crew. . . , ~ ., . valuable artwork seen only by the crew. . . ,~ ., . , crew. what is known about the person who owned this? _ crew. what is known about the person who owned this? i _ crew. what is known about the person who owned this? i know _ crew. what is known about the person who owned this? i know nothing. - crew. what is known about the person who owned this? i know nothing. i - who owned this? i know nothing. i have to take _ who owned this? i know nothing. i have to take care _ who owned this? i know nothing. i have to take care of _ who owned this? i know nothing. i have to take care of the _ who owned this? i know nothing. i have to take care of the boat - who owned this? i know nothing. i have to take care of the boat from j have to take care of the boat from the port— have to take care of the boat from the port authority. it have to take care of the boat from the port authority.— the port authority. it may be stranded. — the port authority. it may be stranded, but _ the port authority. it may be stranded, but it _ the port authority. it may be stranded, but it is _ the port authority. it may be stranded, but it is not - the port authority. it may be - stranded, but it is not forgotten. this yacht is at the centre of an international legal battle that is revealed for the first time how one of russia's richest men has managed his wealth in the west. and how a

british company has helped him. there is a huge amount of sensitivity around and interest in this boat. we came out here being told that we could film the whole thing, but in the end they have only letters on a small bit. it was the decision of the captain. why was that? it is not because of the boat itself, but because of sensitivity around the man who allegedly owned it. this is a sanctioned russian billionaire and demand the us government says owned the boat. full stop for one of russia's readjustment and a former senator, relatively little is known about him. he was among a group of businessmen who took advantage of the collapse of the soviet union to acquire former state assets and make acquire former state assets and make a vast fortune. his was in the fertiliser industry, setting up a company, mining phosphate rock for fertiliser proved hugely lucrative. propelling the company onto the london stock exchange. igor once

headed the company's tech department, but he fell out with mr andrei guryev over a stick at the firm. what is he like? translation: he is a controversial erson. he translation: he is a controversial person- he truly _ translation: he is a controversial person. he truly believes _ translation: he is a controversial person. he truly believes in - translation: he is a controversial person. he truly believes in got - person. he truly believes in got publicly. as it turns out, he loves luxury. —— believes in god. publicly. as it turns out, he loves luxury. -- believes in god. the us government— luxury. -- believes in god. the us government describes _ luxury. -- believes in god. the us government describes him - luxury. -- believes in god. the us government describes him as - luxury. -- believes in god. the us government describes him as a . luxury. -- believes in god. the us - government describes him as a known close associate of vladimir putin, one that has been living the high life. in 2008, mr mac one what this house in north—west london. by this rather imposing —looking gates. this is as close as we can get. you do good was a dilapidated georgian mansion and turn it into one of london's most expensive properties with a huge number of rooms, a swimming pool, a vast underground basement, and parking for 25 cars. like much of a moscow's oligarch

elite, he was enjoying a quiet life in london. and then the invasion of ukraine started. a, in london. and then the invasion of ukraine started.— ukraine started. a missile strike on an airport--- _ ukraine started. a missile strike on an airport--- is _ ukraine started. a missile strike on an airport... is the _ ukraine started. a missile strike on an airport... is the news _ an airport... is the news reverberates _ an airport... is the news reverberates around - an airport... is the news reverberates around the | an airport... is the news - reverberates around the world, vladimir putin assembles the oligarchs. 37 members of russia's business elite that control key sectors of the economy. one of those in attendance is andrei guryev�*s sun. like many of the men in this room, you will be sanctioned by the west along with his father. but not quite yet. in the caribbean, the alpha nero turns his tracker off. the ship goes dark. as other oligarch linked yachts scramble to get out of the reach of sanctions, the first big bust happens in northern italy where a number are seized. . . northern italy where a number are seized. , , ., ., , seized. this is one of the yachts that has been _ seized. this is one of the yachts that has been taken _ seized. this is one of the yachts that has been taken by - seized. this is one of the yachts| that has been taken by european authorities. g, that has been taken by european authorities.— that has been taken by european authorities. �* , _, _ ~ authorities. a second yacht linked to andrey guryev, _ authorities. a second yacht linked to andrey guryev, it _ authorities. a second yacht linked to andrey guryev, it is _ authorities. a second yacht linked to andrey guryev, it is one - authorities. a second yacht linked to andrey guryev, it is one of- authorities. a second yacht linked to andrey guryev, it is one of the| to andrey guryev, it is one of the biggest hybrid super yachts in the

world, catering for 27 guests and 37 crew on its six decks. it makes its way around the boot of italy and into non—european union montenegro where it is safe from eu sanctions for now. as pressure mounts on more countries to condemn russia's invasion, montenegro's government ignores significant progress and sentiment and adopts eu sanctions. a month after it arrives in montenegro, an inspector boards and finds it is owned by a company registered in guernsey. here, a pattern emerges. the companies that only palatial wit and hearst estate and alpha nero are linked to the same address. that addresses your on the british crown dependency of guernsey. it is a place known for beautiful beaches, relaxed pace of life, and of course offshore finance. that is the office of opus private. on their website, they say they helped some of the world's

wealthiest individuals to manage and protect their assets. normally that is being done under a veil of offshore secrecy. something that is rather harder with russia's invasion of ukraine. this company's house filing from me as one of the family's uk that we have traipsed back to opus. in all, we have we have found have £1 billion worth of assets in a relationship going back at least a decade. it is legal to continue to work for a sanctioned client with government permission. court documents we have obtained short opus was involved in a failed legal action to stop the boat being auctioned off. thejudge it details how the owner of the superyacht is tied up any trust, which a judge in antigua suggests mr andrey guryev still exercises a degree of control over. in the latest challenge, mr tim hag won's daughter is trying to argue that she is the sole beneficiary of the trust. when you are a very wealthy _ beneficiary of the trust. when you are a very wealthy individual, - beneficiary of the trust. when you are a very wealthy individual, you|

are a very wealthy individual, you want to protect your wealth. obviously you trust your own relatives to take care of the wealth that should something happen to you. is that process completely legal? it is legal as long as the individual is legal as long as the individual is not sanctioned. if the individual is not sanctioned. if the individual is later sanctioned and then decides to restructure their own wealth, thatis to restructure their own wealth, that is when it's not legal. when it comes to these _ that is when it's not legal. when it comes to these guryev _ that is when it's not legal. when it comes to these guryev family - that is when it's not legal. when it. comes to these guryev family assets, including the boat, there is no way of us independently finding out when mr guryev�*s daughter became the sole beneficiary. both opus and his daughter told us it happened before her father was sanctioned. opus also insisted that mr guryev is not their client, as he is no longer a beneficiary of the trust. despite being connected to half £1 billion worth of the family's assets. knowing who really owns assets as essential if sanctions are to be effective. complex ownership arrangement is likely once we have

found make that much harder. this kind of cat and _ found make that much harder. try 3 kind of cat and mouse game you are using multi—jurisdictional approaches to try to hide what you're doing is a real challenge. that is where diplomacy in. the foreign office should say, we expect more from you. foreign office should say, we expect more from yon-— more from you. they both resigned their positions _ more from you. they both resigned their positions at _ more from you. they both resigned their positions at the _ more from you. they both resigned their positions at the company, - more from you. they both resigned their positions at the company, butj their positions at the company, but despite the sanctions, the family remain major shareholders. the company has made record sales since the invasion of ukraine. gray of junior even met president putin to discuss the fertiliser industry. it has led to calls from kyiv for the uk to go further. president zelensky�*s sanctions adviser is overseeing notjust the zelensky�*s sanctions adviser is overseeing not just the freezing zelensky�*s sanctions adviser is overseeing notjust the freezing but the seizing of assets, something that allies have largely failed to do.

in all they have sanctioned around 9000 people in companies, including mr guryev and his son but also his wife and daughter. the uk government the guryev family's will remain frozen until russia paid reparations. it family's will remain frozen until russia paid reparations. it is clear russia paid reparations. it is clear russia must _ russia paid reparations. it is clear russia must pay _ russia paid reparations. it is clear russia must pay for _ russia paid reparations. it is clear russia must pay for the _ russia paid reparations. it is clear. russia must pay for the destruction they have inflicted. so we are working with allies to explore local routes to use russian assets. what routes to use russian assets. what would ou routes to use russian assets. what would you like _ routes to use russian assets. what would you like to _ routes to use russian assets. what would you like to see _ routes to use russian assets. what would you like to see happen to the uk assets of mr guryev?

a spokesman for mr guryev said there was no proper or legitimate basis opus private told us of trusts or legal structures and their use is awful. despite being auctioned off the open era remains in falmouth harbour. its fate disputed in the courts. it is a powerful symbol of how sanctioned russian oligarchs can claim with

local british help that the yacht and his family's other assets in the west are not really has it all. i'm joined now by the financier bill browder, who's also a prominent kremlin critic and an anti—corruption campaigner. also with me is international trade lawyer michelle linderman. bill, how well do you think is the sanction regime actually working? this story tells everything you need to know. you have these oligarchs who were the most part got all of their assets basically stole all of them, and a knew one day someone would come for the stuff they have. maybe it will be the russian government or other governments. i don't think they could have imagined it would be a war but i have spent 20 years with the very best specialists, lawyers, advisers, trust companies, hiding these things

into trust upon trusts and offshore and all the things, so no matter how good our intentions are and the british government intentions are good, they are running circles around us. a, good, they are running circles around us— around us. a lot of this in this case is being _ around us. a lot of this in this case is being conducted - around us. a lot of this in this case is being conducted in - around us. a lot of this in this - case is being conducted in guernsey, very nearby. in case is being conducted in guernsey, very nearby-— very nearby. in my opinion there should be _ very nearby. in my opinion there should be one _ very nearby. in my opinion there should be one sentence - very nearby. in my opinion there should be one sentence added i very nearby. in my opinion there i should be one sentence added his sanction so that is if a person is sanctioned, any professional advisor who has been involved with helping people hide their money has to come to the government and tell everything and that would solve the problem. this opus private whatever would have to dig into their file cabinets and say here is all the documents. you decide what to do nowt. ~ . , ., . documents. you decide what to do nowt. ~ . i. . . documents. you decide what to do nowt. . nowt. michelle, you are a specialist in sanctions — nowt. michelle, you are a specialist in sanctions regimes, _ nowt. michelle, you are a specialist in sanctions regimes, are _ nowt. michelle, you are a specialist in sanctions regimes, are the - in sanctions regimes, are the lawyers for the oligarchs always one step ahead of the governments? i step ahead of the governments? i think it is fair to say the oligarchs have had the benefit of

the excellent legal counsel over the years _ the excellent legal counsel over the years stop _ the excellent legal counsel over the years stop the set of very complicated structures and have billions — complicated structures and have billions of dollars of assets and set things up and it is only recently. _ set things up and it is only recently, during this year that the uk government has introduced restrictions on lawyers preventing them _ restrictions on lawyers preventing them from providing legal services to persons— them from providing legal services to persons in relation to transactions that might help with these _ transactions that might help with these sort of thing so we have those restrictions— these sort of thing so we have those restrictions are in place but they were _ restrictions are in place but they were not— restrictions are in place but they were not in— restrictions are in place but they were not in place untiljune, their announcements ago but we came into play at _ announcements ago but we came into play at the _ announcements ago but we came into play at the end ofjune so there were _ play at the end ofjune so there were many lawyers who were working but legally— were many lawyers who were working but legally providing counselling and helping people set up structures, complicated structures, that is— structures, complicated structures, that is what — structures, complicated structures, that is what wealthy people do, they have the _ that is what wealthy people do, they have the fingers in a lot of pies. it is have the fingers in a lot of pies. it is that— have the fingers in a lot of pies. it is that which you do? i am afraid not. it is that which you do? i am afraid not my— it is that which you do? i am afraid not my four— it is that which you do? i am afraid not. my four side of it as the other side, _ not. my four side of it as the other side, i_ not. my four side of it as the other side, i am — not. my four side of it as the other side, iam helping people who not. my four side of it as the other side, i am helping people who are trying _ side, i am helping people who are trying to— side, i am helping people who are trying to work out if they are dealing _ trying to work out if they are dealing with an entity, is our site and personal back in.— dealing with an entity, is our site and personal back in. what you're doinu is and personal back in. what you're doing is you're — and personal back in. what you're doing is you're trying _ and personal back in. what you're doing is you're trying to _ and personal back in. what you're doing is you're trying to get - doing is you're trying to get through these structures and find out if along that your clients are doing something wrong?-

out if along that your clients are doing something wrong? yeah, the restriction is _ doing something wrong? yeah, the restriction is now _ doing something wrong? yeah, the restriction is now a _ doing something wrong? yeah, the restriction is now a very _ doing something wrong? yeah, the restriction is now a very onerous. i restriction is now a very onerous. it restriction is now a very onerous. it is _ restriction is now a very onerous. it is interesting because what michelle is saying that this goes back some time but before the ukraine where there wasn't really a tidy regulatory regime in the uk and it was london ground, wasn't it? this is going on four years. there has not been _ this is going on four years. there has not been a _ this is going on four years. there has not been a single _ this is going on four years. there j has not been a single prosecution this is going on four years. there i has not been a single prosecution of a russian economic crime since putin came to power in the city of london. it is, briefly, has been completely open season, everybody welcome, everybody looking the other way in this country and on the day the war started the government policy changed but it is taking a long time to upgrade assistant to deal with these guys because they have infiltrated our financial system for 20 years. is infiltrated our financial system for 20 ears. . . infiltrated our financial system for 20 ears. ., ., . ., 20 years. is a lot of sanctioned money sweeping _ 20 years. is a lot of sanctioned money sweeping around - 20 years. is a lot of sanctioned i money sweeping around london? billions of dollars i would cite because — billions of dollars i would cite because if you think about all the

people _ because if you think about all the people added to the lists and since last year— people added to the lists and since last year and february where hundreds of people were put on these lists, their— hundreds of people were put on these lists, their assets should all be frozen — lists, their assets should all be frozen. the problem you have is you cannot— frozen. the problem you have is you cannot always as we have seen the film this— cannot always as we have seen the film this evening connect the assess the oligarchs of have their complicated structures in place you can't tell— complicated structures in place you can't tell if— complicated structures in place you can't tell if a designated person owns _ can't tell if a designated person owns or— can't tell if a designated person owns or controls a particular company— owns or controls a particular company or an asset. so owns or controls a particular company or an asset. so this mansion is sittin: in company or an asset. so this mansion is sitting in the _ company or an asset. so this mansion is sitting in the middle _ company or an asset. so this mansion is sitting in the middle of— company or an asset. so this mansion is sitting in the middle of london - is sitting in the middle of london and the british authorities could do nothing about it or can't take the money? nothing about it or can't take the mone ? , . ,_ nothing about it or can't take the mone? , nothing about it or can't take the mone ? ,,�* money? they are saying this isn't owned by mr _ money? they are saying this isn't owned by mr guryev, _ money? they are saying this isn't owned by mr guryev, it _ money? they are saying this isn't owned by mr guryev, it is - money? they are saying this isn't owned by mr guryev, it is owned | money? they are saying this isn't i owned by mr guryev, it is owned by his daughter and so therefore it is that of the list. there is a situation where another oligarch who was sanctioned and sanctioned and sanctioned, he passed a bunch of stuff to his wife and daughters and his sons and the united states government said ok, we will sanction the light on the daughters and sons. the went up to the swiss holding