officers 1000 metropolitan police officers suspended. none need to tell you about the appalling cases over the last few years, and a coke head of his majesty's inspectorate of constabulary says this is the worst crisis in law and order in living memory. is he right and if he is how do we fix it? police officers, so important to hear from you. low morale, low levels of staffing, held in low esteem and of course trust is at the heart of this. a police force that we trust is the bedrock of a properly functioning society. how do we restore trust in the police? get in touch.

calls and text and thoughts and views coming up but now nick hatfield has the news. good morning, youtuber says it has blocked russell brand from making money from ads on the site. he's been accused of rape, sexual assault and emotional abuse which he denies. youtube says he has violated its creator responsibility policy. the metropolitan police has more than 1000 of its officers are currently suspended or on restricted duties as it tries to root out corruption. the crackdown follows the conviction of serial rapist david carrick and murder when cousins, both former and serving officers. nhs consultants in england are holding strikes over pay and conditions, junior doctors working out for three days from tomorrow with hospital bosses: on the government and unions to find a resolution. elon musk has suggested all users of x formally touch it may

have to pay to use it. speaking at an event in california he said it is the only way he can think of to stop bolts on the platform. how much of a crisis to rehab and policing? as police officers, so important to hear from you, you policing? as police officers, so important to hearfrom you, you do not have to give you names, you can text me, come on the air anonymously, not a problem. text me, come on the air anonymously, nota problem. how text me, come on the air anonymously, not a problem. how do we restore trust in the police? let me get a quote for you, deputy assistant commissioner lawrence taylor of the metropolitan police says it is very clear it needs to be better led, the officers need to be better led, the officers need to be better supervised and better trained and better equipped. you will remember the report from baroness caseyin remember the report from baroness casey in march on the met police,

merciless and unsparing and there are problems everywhere, wherever you are to us. let's speak to former chief superintendent of the metropolitan police, tell us about your own area, your own force. good morning. how much of a crisis is there at the moment?— morning. how much of a crisis is there at the moment? before we start on the crisis. — there at the moment? before we start on the crisis, there _ there at the moment? before we start on the crisis, there is _ there at the moment? before we start on the crisis, there is something - there at the moment? before we start on the crisis, there is something i - on the crisis, there is something i would like to say, the majority of police officers are good and caring and if you have a member of the public out there who needs help, they should still dial 999 and they should still ask for that help when they need it so i would hate for anyone to be listening now and think because there is a crisis in policing they cannot get the help and support that they need so let me start with that. there is a crisis in policing. it is not good to wake up in policing. it is not good to wake up every single day with the headlines we are reading and that as there are 1000 officers out of

34,000 in the metropolitan police, 1000 being investigated and one of the points i will make is when an officer is investigated, it can take between 18 months and two years for the investigation to complete before they face a misconduct boot to either be sacked or not is the case may be. either be sacked or not is the case ma be. �* , ., , ., ., may be. but its now they are doing the riaht may be. but its now they are doing the right thing _ may be. but its now they are doing the right thing and _ may be. but its now they are doing the right thing and that _ may be. but its now they are doing the right thing and that will - may be. but its now they are doing the right thing and that will expose more problems but they are going through the force with a fine tooth comb to root out corrupt officers, the homophobes and racists, the sex pests and predators, whoever and whatever, that is a good thing. so these are steps in the right direction? it these are steps in the right direction?— these are steps in the right direction? , ., , , direction? it is, however the cases we are hearing _ direction? it is, however the cases we are hearing now, _ direction? it is, however the cases we are hearing now, these - direction? it is, however the cases we are hearing now, these are - direction? it is, however the cases i we are hearing now, these are people who committed offences two or three years ago, these are not new cases so they haven't actually caught up and one of the problems with that is even now in policing, there isn't a

safe environment for individuals to make reports about police officers. so as a serving police officer, it's difficult to report your colleague as a member of the public, it's difficult to get your complaint taken seriously. 0ne difficult to get your complaint taken seriously. one of the reasons for that is the police will mark their own homework, they investigate themselves, there is not an independent team that does these investigations so today, you and i could be working together. next week i could be investigating him for whatever reason. that is not independent or impartial and that is not going to help with the trust and confidence that has suffered so much. �* , confidence that has suffered so much. �*, ,., . confidence that has suffered so much. �*, ., ., ., ., much. it's important to hear from --eole much. it's important to hear from peeple on — much. it's important to hear from people on workplace _ much. it's important to hear from people on workplace culture - much. it's important to hear from | people on workplace culture which you describe on the problem is the rent and maybe the need for mandatory reporting as well. what you say are so right, the vast majority of officers doing a brilliantjob, from my own experience and that of many people, exemplary and if you want to get in

touch with us and tell us about the positives, i think it's important that you do as well. you highlight some really interesting things. marking their own homework. the fact that we are working together, i complain about you or vice versa, it's a very difficult situation, the who make—up, the fact we've been working so closely in the past. what would be a better alternative? there needs to be — would be a better alternative? there needs to be an _ would be a better alternative? ii—urr needs to be an independent unit that does these investigations that hasn't worked with you because for example, you and i could be laughing at something, we could make sexist jokes and i would never do that or homophobicjokes, i would jokes and i would never do that or homophobicjokes, iwould never do that but we could be laughing at those jokes and then the following week i'm investigating you or vice versa. how can that be impartial? it cannot, it is not independent because i may be complicit in that behaviour i am investigating it for. it needs to be an independent

department that handles the investigations, in addition, the people who make the reports, who are brave enough to raise their heads and say that officer should not be in the police service and his or her behaviour is inappropriate. there is not a safe environment for that person to be protected. what happens at the moment, the person who makes the initial complaint is bullied and victimised, and intimidated themselves undertakes a huge amount of courage for anyone to actually go through with a complaint. and go through with a complaint. and go through right to the end stages. loads of texts coming in. so if you saw colleagues making homophobic jokes, would you report them? i would and i have done that and then what happened to me was, i made a complaint about a senior officer, more senior than i and years later, he made false allegations about me

so i then became the victim and that's where i talk about the safe environment and had anyone checked to see what our relationship was, they would have seen what these allegations were and that's where i talk about the individual who is brave enough to make the complaint in the first place then becomes the victim. there is not a safe environment for individuals and it could be a member of the public or a serving officer, there is not a safe environment to protect those individuals while that complaint is investigated. you individuals while that complaint is investigated-— individuals while that complaint is investiuated. ., ., . . investigated. you cannot change the culture overnight? _ investigated. you cannot change the culture overnight? so _ investigated. you cannot change the culture overnight? so how— investigated. you cannot change the culture overnight? so how do - investigated. you cannot change the culture overnight? so how do we - investigated. you cannot change the culture overnight? so how do we do| culture overnight? so how do we do that? and what needs to happen in terms of recruitment?— terms of recruitment? there are three thin95- — terms of recruitment? there are three things. the _ terms of recruitment? there are three things. the vetting - terms of recruitment? there are three things. the vetting and . terms of recruitment? there are| three things. the vetting and the recruitment which needs to be looked at. a decision was made years ago because of the recruitment crisis that the betting are police officers who were already in the service will be overlooked, that has now caught up be overlooked, that has now caught up with policing so that betting is now being redone and everyone is

being brought up to date which is why some officers are coming to notice that had been ignored before. there is that recruitment and betting and it's notjust about new officers, this is about those who have been in the service for as much as 30 years even. that safe environment to report colleagues and police officers and there is also the speeding up of the process and what you mentioned, baroness casey, in her report she gives examples of officers who have a complaint and in the 18 months or to takes to investigate them, they can add another ten or 12 complaints to their list so by the time they actually get to a misconduct board, they've got 12 complaints outstanding against them. they are not joined outstanding against them. they are notjoined up complaints, each one is dealt with separately rather than looking at the overall picture of the officer. looking at the overall picture of the officer-— the officer. dave in barnsley is with us. the officer. dave in barnsley is with us- a _ the officer. dave in barnsley is with us. a police _ the officer. dave in barnsley is with us. a police officer. - the officer. dave in barnsley is with us. a police officer. have| the officer. dave in barnsley is - with us. a police officer. have you say? with us. a police officer. have you

sa ? ., v with us. a police officer. have you sa ? . �*, , , . say? that's pretty much three reasons. _ say? that's pretty much three reasons. we _ say? that's pretty much three reasons, we have _ say? that's pretty much three reasons, we have lost - say? that's pretty much three reasons, we have lost trust, l reasons, we have lost trust, leadership, the type of people we are recruiting, the job itself. when i was _ are recruiting, the job itself. when i was in _ are recruiting, the job itself. when i was in the — are recruiting, the job itself. when i was in the military as a leader, a senior_ i was in the military as a leader, a senior aide. — i was in the military as a leader, a senior aide, when i was in the navy you had _ senior aide, when i was in the navy you had to — senior aide, when i was in the navy you had to go and do a full month course, _ you had to go and do a full month course, in — you had to go and do a full month course, in the police as a leader as a course, in the police as a leader as 6 sergeant— course, in the police as a leader as a sergeant you were given the keys to the _ a sergeant you were given the keys to the computer and then of you go. you are _ to the computer and then of you go. you are supposed to be leading people — you are supposed to be leading people so it's difficult for people who have — people so it's difficult for people who have never done that before to -et who have never done that before to get them _ who have never done that before to get them to work out they should be. the second _ get them to work out they should be. the second reason, the type of people — the second reason, the type of people being recruited. the college of policing to create we now need to recruit _ of policing to create we now need to recruit people with degrees but unfortunately if you have a degree you do _ unfortunately if you have a degree you do not — unfortunately if you have a degree you do not want to be a police officer. — you do not want to be a police officer, you want to be an inspector or chief_ officer, you want to be an inspector or chief inspector so nobody wants to do— or chief inspector so nobody wants to do the _ or chief inspector so nobody wants to do the job any more. the third reason _ to do the job any more. the third reason is — to do the job any more. the third reason is the job itself. we deal with negative things in life, death,

mayhern. — with negative things in life, death, mayhem, trauma, it can make you a very negative — mayhem, trauma, it can make you a very negative person and what that does over a — very negative person and what that does over a period as it degrades you and _ does over a period as it degrades you and makes you not want to give 100% _ you and makes you not want to give 100% which — you and makes you not want to give 100% which is what you should do for the community. when i left the military— the community. when i left the military i— the community. when i left the military i wanted to serve my community and serve the crown, we do not have _ community and serve the crown, we do not have that _ community and serve the crown, we do not have that any more, it's seen as a career. _ not have that any more, it's seen as a career. not — not have that any more, it's seen as a career, not really a career any more _ a career, not really a career any more so— a career, not really a career any more. so that's pretty much why it is not _ more. so that's pretty much why it is not working. more. so that's pretty much why it is not working-— more. so that's pretty much why it is not working. don't you recognise what they say _ is not working. don't you recognise what they say about _ is not working. don't you recognise what they say about the _ is not working. don't you recognise what they say about the met - is not working. don't you recognise what they say about the met police j what they say about the met police in your own force?— in your own force? totally. yes. i work with — in your own force? totally. yes. i work with people _ in your own force? totally. yes. i work with people at _ in your own force? totally. yes. i work with people at the - in your own force? totally. yes. i work with people at the moment| in your own force? totally. yes. i - work with people at the moment who are just _ work with people at the moment who are just very, very negative. they do not _ are just very, very negative. they do not feel. — are just very, very negative. they do not feel, they do not have life experience. you get people in now, 18 or— experience. you get people in now, 18 or 19— experience. you get people in now, 18 or 19 from — experience. you get people in now, 18 or 19 from university, they do not recognise if you live in a poor community, _ not recognise if you live in a poor community, you didn't do well at school, _ community, you didn't do well at school, you — community, you didn't do well at school, you need money, you cannot

-et school, you need money, you cannot get a _ school, you need money, you cannot get a trade, — school, you need money, you cannot get a trade, you are going to sell drugs _ get a trade, you are going to sell drugs so — get a trade, you are going to sell drugs so people do not understand that _ drugs so people do not understand that if_ drugs so people do not understand that ifyou — drugs so people do not understand that. if you do not have life experience, that is what happens with the — experience, that is what happens with the job at the minute. we do not recruit— with the job at the minute. we do not recruit the right people. so not recruit the right people. sr interesting. you see some grim stuff, you guys are on the front line helping. you see some pretty grisly things, you have awful experiences. i grisly things, you have awful experiences.— experiences. i served in afghanistan, _ experiences. i served in afghanistan, all- experiences. i served in afghanistan, all of - experiences. i served inj afghanistan, all of that. experiences. i served in - afghanistan, all of that. for more than ou afghanistan, all of that. for more than you did _ afghanistan, all of that. for more than you did in — afghanistan, all of that. for more than you did in the _ afghanistan, all of that. for more than you did in the military? - afghanistan, all of that. for more than you did in the military? yes. j than you did in the military? yes. the thing about _ than you did in the military? yes. the thing about war _ than you did in the military? yes. the thing about war as _ than you did in the military? yes. the thing about war as it - than you did in the military? yes. the thing about war as it happens, you have _ the thing about war as it happens, you have got an enemy, you are seeing _ you have got an enemy, you are seeing people who supposedly love each other doing horrible things, you've _ each other doing horrible things, you've got — each other doing horrible things, you've got a domestic, you are basicatty— you've got a domestic, you are basically greeted by someone who has been stabbed by somebody who loves them and _ been stabbed by somebody who loves them and it is quite difficult. really— them and it is quite difficult. really difficultjob to them and it is quite difficult. really difficult job to do undertakes a very committed person to do— undertakes a very committed person to do that _

undertakes a very committed person to do that. so if you've got no life experience. — to do that. so if you've got no life experience, you do not understand the way— experience, you do not understand the way things work, you are going to struggle — the way things work, you are going to struggle to give your best, archie? — to struggle to give your best, archie? ~ . . , archie? what an interesting comparison _ archie? what an interesting comparison between - archie? what an interesting comparison between the . archie? what an interesting - comparison between the military and a defined enemy and working as a domestic cup and that is absolutely fascinating. is there support for you? you see awful things. is there enough support and i suppose that relates to staffing levels? that enough support and i suppose that relates to staffing levels?- relates to staffing levels? that is the problem- _ relates to staffing levels? that is the problem. there _ relates to staffing levels? that is the problem. there is _ relates to staffing levels? that is the problem. there is not - relates to staffing levels? that is. the problem. there is not enough. relates to staffing levels? that is i the problem. there is not enough. i have _ the problem. there is not enough. i have been_ the problem. there is not enough. i have been doing the job 17 years, the advent — have been doing the job 17 years, the advent of mobile phones, the workload — the advent of mobile phones, the workload went through the roof because — workload went through the roof because before it used to have to walk down — because before it used to have to walk down the end of the street to use the _ walk down the end of the street to use the phone and phone the police but with— use the phone and phone the police but with mobile phones and social media _ but with mobile phones and social media we — but with mobile phones and social media we will be there straightaway we are _ media we will be there straightaway we are available so the calls for service — we are available so the calls for service went through the roof. unfortunately, because of the demand, _ unfortunately, because of the demand, people are living constantly because _ demand, people are living constantly because there's loads of people leaving — because there's loads of people leaving the job. they cannot cope

with the _ leaving the job. they cannot cope with the workload. you know? you are expecting _ with the workload. you know? you are expecting officers to deal with 30 crimes— expecting officers to deal with 30 crimes on— expecting officers to deal with 30 crimes on a workload, one person cannot— crimes on a workload, one person cannot deat— crimes on a workload, one person cannot deal properly with 30 crimes are what— cannot deal properly with 30 crimes are what they are going to do is feed _ are what they are going to do is feed out — are what they are going to do is feed out and get rid of the stuff they cannot nail down as regards to getting _ they cannot nail down as regards to getting it _ they cannot nail down as regards to getting it to court. that does not help the — getting it to court. that does not help the victim, does it? regards to support— help the victim, does it? regards to support for— help the victim, does it? regards to support for police officers, it has always _ support for police officers, it has always been lip service. they will offer _ always been lip service. they will offer you — always been lip service. they will offer you counselling but that does not change the situation, once you finish _ not change the situation, once you finish talking to someone you are going _ finish talking to someone you are going back straight into what you are dealing with an day to day, it can he _ are dealing with an day to day, it can be quite horrendous, dealing with negative things and you can become — with negative things and you can become a — with negative things and you can become a very negative person and that reflects your work. i can imagine _ that reflects your work. i can imagine i_ that reflects your work. i can imagine. i do not know how you solve the problem — imagine. i do not know how you solve the problem. the only way to sort out corporate leadership, manage people _ out corporate leadership, manage people effectively, look at the type of people we recruit, we need to

recruit— of people we recruit, we need to recruit people who reflect the community that we serve. the job has taken _ community that we serve. the job has taken on _ community that we serve. the job has taken on... because of everything that has— taken on... because of everything that has happened over the last 10-15— that has happened over the last 10—15 years, the police have taken on many— 10—15 years, the police have taken on many different roles away from crime _ on many different roles away from crime and — on many different roles away from crime and disorder which is what we should _ crime and disorder which is what we should concentrate on so we have become _ should concentrate on so we have become mental health coordinators, social— become mental health coordinators, social housing coordinator is, we're 'ust social housing coordinator is, we're just taking — social housing coordinator is, we're just taking on the role of everybody else because all the other departments have reduced funding. because _ departments have reduced funding. because we cannot say no, we have taken _ because we cannot say no, we have taken on — because we cannot say no, we have taken on all— because we cannot say no, we have taken on all these rules but we do not have _ taken on all these rules but we do not have the staff to deal with it and that — not have the staff to deal with it and that is — not have the staff to deal with it and that is one of the biggest problems. let and that is one of the biggest problems-— and that is one of the biggest roblems. , . ., problems. let me bring in william in wakefield, former _ problems. let me bring in william in wakefield, former policeman, - problems. let me bring in william in wakefield, former policeman, thank| wakefield, former policeman, thank you forjoining us and dave, can i ask you another one and then you can discuss that with each other because this is kind of insight that we want and it's was wonderful. goad and it's was wonderful. good morning- _ and it's was wonderful. good morning- as _ and it's was wonderful. good morning. as i _ and it's was wonderful. good morning. as i said, - and it's was wonderful. good morning. as i said, i- and it's was wonderful. good morning. as i said, i am - and it's was wonderful. good

morning. as i said, i am a i and it's was wonderful. good - morning. as i said, i am a retired police _ morning. as i said, i am a retired police officer~ _ morning. as i said, i am a retired police officer. honestly, - morning. as i said, i am a retired police officer. honestly, what- morning. as i said, i am a retired police officer. honestly, what i'm going _ police officer. honestly, what i'm going to — police officer. honestly, what i'm going to say— police officer. honestly, what i'm going to say is _ police officer. honestly, what i'm going to say is possibly— going to say is possibly controversial. - going to say is possibly controversial. i- going to say is possiblyj controversial. i actually going to say is possibly- controversial. i actually despair when _ controversial. i actually despair when i — controversial. i actually despair when i see _ controversial. i actually despair when i see police _ controversial. i actually despair when i see police officers- controversial. i actually despair when i see police officers bothl controversial. i actually despair- when i see police officers both male and female. — when i see police officers both male and female. on— when i see police officers both male and female, on our— when i see police officers both male and female, on our street _ when i see police officers both male and female, on our street covered l and female, on our street covered entities _ and female, on our street covered entities i— and female, on our street covered entities. i think— and female, on our street covered entities. i think the _ and female, on our street covered entities. i think the standards- and female, on our street coveredl entities. i think the standards have hit roch— entities. i think the standards have hit rock bottom. _ entities. i think the standards have hit rock bottom.— entities. i think the standards have hit rock bottom. dave, to come back to ou, it hit rock bottom. dave, to come back to you. it is — hit rock bottom. dave, to come back to you, it is about _ hit rock bottom. dave, to come back to you, it is about reflecting - hit rock bottom. dave, to come back to you, it is about reflecting the - to you, it is about reflecting the community and being relatable, isn't it? i community and being relatable, isn't it? ., ., ., , ., , it? i would agree. lots of people in the community _ it? i would agree. lots of people in the community have _ it? i would agree. lots of people in the community have tattoos - it? i would agree. lots of people in the community have tattoos and i it? i would agree. lots of people in i the community have tattoos and that is getting _ the community have tattoos and that is getting wet from the issue slightly, _ is getting wet from the issue slightly, they reflect the community but we _ slightly, they reflect the community but we need to reflect the community more by— but we need to reflect the community more by recruiting more people without— more by recruiting more people without the grace, who have life skills. _ without the grace, who have life skills, people from the military, people — skills, people from the military, people who have experienced things in their— people who have experienced things in their life, that is one of the biggest — in their life, that is one of the biggest problems we have. let in their life, that is one of the biggest problems we have. let me go further down — biggest problems we have. let me go further down that _ biggest problems we have. let me go further down that road _ biggest problems we have. let me go further down that road with _ biggest problems we have. let me go further down that road with him, i further down that road with him, just a little bit. how do you feel about dancing policemen and police

men and women in conga lines and relating to the community and that way, what do you think when you see it? to way, what do you think when you see it? ., , ., ~ , it? to be fair, i think it is ridiculous. _ it? to be fair, i think it is ridiculous. you _ it? to be fair, i think it is ridiculous. you are i it? to be fair, i think it is ridiculous. you are there | it? to be fair, i think it is i ridiculous. you are there for law and order, — ridiculous. you are there for law and order, you _ ridiculous. you are there for law and order, you are _ ridiculous. you are there for law and order, you are there - ridiculous. you are there for law and order, you are there to- ridiculous. you are there for law. and order, you are there to prevent crime _ and order, you are there to prevent crime and _ and order, you are there to prevent crime and when _ and order, you are there to prevent crime and when you _ and order, you are there to prevent crime and when you look— and order, you are there to prevent crime and when you look at - and order, you are there to prevent crime and when you look at the i crime and when you look at the notting — crime and when you look at the notting hill— crime and when you look at the notting hill carnival, _ crime and when you look at the notting hill carnival, this i crime and when you look at the notting hill carnival, this year, j notting hill carnival, this year, all the — notting hill carnival, this year, all the stabbings_ notting hill carnival, this year, all the stabbings etc _ notting hill carnival, this year, all the stabbings etc and - notting hill carnival, this year, all the stabbings etc and the i notting hill carnival, this year, i all the stabbings etc and the crimes that were _ all the stabbings etc and the crimes that were committed, _ all the stabbings etc and the crimes that were committed, that - all the stabbings etc and the crimes that were committed, that is- all the stabbings etc and the crimes that were committed, that is what i that were committed, that is what the police — that were committed, that is what the police are _ that were committed, that is what the police are there _ that were committed, that is what the police are there for. _ that were committed, that is what the police are there for. to - that were committed, that is whatl the police are there for. to prevent disorder~ _ the police are there for. to prevent disorder. llot— the police are there for. to prevent disorder. ., ., , ., . ., ., disorder. not to be dancing around. dave? look. _ disorder. not to be dancing around. dave? look. i— disorder. not to be dancing around. dave? look, i have _ disorder. not to be dancing around. dave? look, i have never— disorder. not to be dancing around. dave? look, i have never danced i dave? look, i have never danced around with _ dave? look, i have never danced around with anybody, _ dave? look, i have never danced around with anybody, when i've i dave? look, i have never danced i around with anybody, when i've been in a public— around with anybody, when i've been in a public order situation i have always— in a public order situation i have always been very professional and the vast _ always been very professional and the vast majority of officers who deal with — the vast majority of officers who deal with us on a day—to—day basis or professional. you know? i have been _ or professional. you know? i have been asked — or professional. you know? i have been asked to put on rainbow laces and things— been asked to put on rainbow laces and things like that, i do not want to get— and things like that, i do not want

to get involved or not, the police are independent and should be. so we are independent and should be. so we are in_ are independent and should be. so we are ina— are independent and should be. so we are in a situation where unfortunately people see police officers — unfortunately people see police officers dancing about, some people will think— officers dancing about, some people will think what are you doing, what are you _ will think what are you doing, what are you there for? you are there to keep— are you there for? you are there to keep people — are you there for? you are there to keep people safe so i agree with what _ keep people safe so i agree with what you — keep people safe so i agree with what you have to say but unfortunately that comes from leadership you are asking officers, we are _ leadership you are asking officers, we are not— leadership you are asking officers, we are not bothered if you do this or that _ we are not bothered if you do this or that. they need clear structure from _ or that. they need clear structure from leadership as to what they require — from leadership as to what they require from their officers. it's quite — require from their officers. it's quite confusing for them on a day—to—day basis. quite confusing for them on a day-to-day basis.— quite confusing for them on a day-to-day basis. quite confusing for them on a da -to-da basis. ., ,., . day-to-day basis. how did the police relate to the — day-to-day basis. how did the police relate to the general— day-to-day basis. how did the police relate to the general public, - day-to-day basis. how did the police relate to the general public, they i relate to the general public, they are darned if they do and if they don't? i are darned if they do and if they don't? ., . ., don't? i disagree with what william sa s about don't? i disagree with what william says about the _ don't? i disagree with what william says about the tatties, _ don't? i disagree with what william says about the tatties, that - don't? i disagree with what william says about the tatties, that was i says about the tatties, that was brought in because there were a lot of ex army and ex navy personnel who had tatties and look at the general public, a lot of them have tatties and we are supposed to reflect the community so i disagree. in relation

to participating in community events, there has to be a line up for it is professional but at the same time, if you are going to a church fete or something, are you going to stand the stony faced with smiling at anybody and when people say can i have a photograph with you, are you going to say no, i am on duty. there are limits. yes, you do not want to be seeing people on top of a flute dancing around, i would not want to see that but if you are at an event, this is partly about breaking down barriers and creating those relationships with your community. in the past we have had home beats, neighbourhood police, whatever you want to call them, people who would go and have a cup of tea with a neighbour, they would speak to someone so arbi say you were not allowed to have a couple with the community because how else do you get the eyes and ears? how else do you know what is going on on your local pet? you

ears? how else do you know what is going on on your local pet?- going on on your local pet? you do not want to — going on on your local pet? you do not want to be _ going on on your local pet? you do not want to be remote _ going on on your local pet? you do not want to be remote because i going on on your local pet? you do not want to be remote because if l going on on your local pet? you do i not want to be remote because if you are remote you are seen as authoritarian and with no links to the community. i know the issue about tattoos might seem niche but it's possibly symptomatic of something order and i'm glad you brought it up, william. some texts to go through, simon in gloucester. we have got a former police officer, what's your message? i just we have got a former police officer, what's your message?— what's your message? i 'ust think, the olice what's your message? i 'ust think, the police officeri what's your message? i 'ust think, the police officer who i what's your message? i just think, the police officer who said - what's your message? i just think, the police officer who said earlier i the police officer who said earlier they should prioritise crime and disorder. i agree. they should prioritise crime and disorder. iagree. ifeelall our main targets are the motorist, that's how i feel on that is what i see when i drive all day. if you are a mostly law—abiding person and you are not fixated on the speed and you are not fixated on the speed and you a couple of miles an hour over your speed, they make it. i have a clean

licence, i have not been caught. it is an observation. the traffic and everything else, it's like the officer said, the priorities are not in the right direction. they should be prioritising crime and disorder more. . , ., ., more. that is low hanging fruit. dave, more. that is low hanging fruit. dave. what _ more. that is low hanging fruit. dave, what do _ more. that is low hanging fruit. dave, what do you _ more. that is low hanging fruit. dave, what do you think- more. that is low hanging fruit. dave, what do you think about | dave, what do you think about getting the priorities wrong? speed cameras, getting the priorities wrong? speed cameras. that _ getting the priorities wrong? speed cameras, that is _ getting the priorities wrong? speed cameras, that is nothing _ getting the priorities wrong? speed cameras, that is nothing to - getting the priorities wrong? speed cameras, that is nothing to do i getting the priorities wrong? speed cameras, that is nothing to do with policing, _ cameras, that is nothing to do with policing, it's— cameras, that is nothing to do with policing, it's all road safety cameras _ policing, it's all road safety cameras and that's to do with road safety _ cameras and that's to do with road safety. people think when they get knocked _ safety. people think when they get knocked off by a speed camera, that money— knocked off by a speed camera, that money goes into the police budget but it— money goes into the police budget but it does not, goes into producing more _ but it does not, goes into producing more police — but it does not, goes into producing more police cameras. as with regards to policing _ more police cameras. as with regards to policing on the roads, it is a great — to policing on the roads, it is a great way— to policing on the roads, it is a great way to get stuck into criminals, who use vehicles. what do you want— criminals, who use vehicles. what do you want us— criminals, who use vehicles. what do you want us to do? we are darned if we do _ you want us to do? we are darned if we do and _ you want us to do? we are darned if we do and if— you want us to do? we are darned if we do and if we don't. stopping someone — we do and if we don't. stopping someone for speeding could then turn into that _

someone for speeding could then turn into that person, they could smell cannabis— into that person, they could smell cannabis in— into that person, they could smell cannabis in the car, there's the potential— cannabis in the car, there's the potential for someone driving while unfit through drink or drugs. what do you _ unfit through drink or drugs. what do you want us to do, all we need is clear— do you want us to do, all we need is clear instruction from the government. what single priorities are, what— government. what single priorities are, what is the priority from the local— are, what is the priority from the local community. the are, what is the priority from the local community.— are, what is the priority from the local community. the home secretary said the other — local community. the home secretary said the other day _ local community. the home secretary said the other day the _ local community. the home secretary said the other day the police - local community. the home secretary said the other day the police should . said the other day the police should respond to every single crime, is that possible? ida respond to every single crime, is that possible?— respond to every single crime, is that possible? no it was not! when ou have that possible? no it was not! when you have a — that possible? no it was not! when you have a workload _ that possible? no it was not! when you have a workload of _ that possible? no it was not! when you have a workload of 20-30 i that possible? no it was not! when l you have a workload of 20-30 crimes you have a workload of 20—30 crimes and you _ you have a workload of 20—30 crimes and you are _ you have a workload of 20—30 crimes and you are attending five cobblers and you are attending five cobblers a day _ and you are attending five cobblers a day in _ and you are attending five cobblers a day in a _ and you are attending five cobblers a day in a quiet area, i have got to deal— a day in a quiet area, i have got to deal with— a day in a quiet area, i have got to deal with that and they are not cut jobs, _ deal with that and they are not cut jobs. you — deal with that and they are not cut jobs, you are trying to sort out lives _ jobs, you are trying to sort out lives in — jobs, you are trying to sort out lives in ten _ jobs, you are trying to sort out lives in ten minutes, it's difficult _ lives in ten minutes, it's difficult. so there isjust not enough _ difficult. so there isjust not enough of us, unfortunately. and the people _ enough of us, unfortunately. and the people who _ enough of us, unfortunately. and the people who we are recruiting, or the wrong _ people who we are recruiting, or the wrong type _ people who we are recruiting, or the wrong type of people. we need a long. _ wrong type of people. we need a long. hard — wrong type of people. we need a long, hard think about what the government wants us to do and what

local communities want. we want to do a good _ local communities want. we want to do a good job. i do not know many police _ do a good job. i do not know many police officers who go into work and do not _ police officers who go into work and do not want — police officers who go into work and do not want to do a good job. we 'ust do not want to do a good job. we just need — do not want to do a good job. we just need clear instructions. here is one from _ just need clear instructions. here is one from carol _ just need clear instructions. here is one from carol in _ just need clear instructions. haze: is one from carol in sunderland, what is your instruction?- is one from carol in sunderland, what is your instruction? again, i am traffic- _ what is your instruction? again, i am traffic- lt _ what is your instruction? again, i am traffic. it is _ what is your instruction? again, i am traffic. it is not _ what is your instruction? again, i am traffic. it is not the _ what is your instruction? again, i am traffic. it is not the speeding | am traffic. it is not the speeding person— am traffic. it is not the speeding person or— am traffic. it is not the speeding person or anything _ am traffic. it is not the speeding person or anything like - am traffic. it is not the speeding person or anything like that. i am traffic. it is not the speeding person or anything like that. wej person or anything like that. we don't _ person or anything like that. we don't see — person or anything like that. we don't see many— person or anything like that. we don't see many of— person or anything like that. we don't see many of our— person or anything like that. we don't see many of our local i person or anything like that. we i don't see many of our local bobbies around _ don't see many of our local bobbies around at _ don't see many of our local bobbies around at all — don't see many of our local bobbies around at all. but _ don't see many of our local bobbies around at all. but there's _ don't see many of our local bobbies around at all. but there's a - don't see many of our local bobbies around at all. but there's a young l around at all. but there's a young man— around at all. but there's a young man and — around at all. but there's a young man and they— around at all. but there's a young man and they are _ around at all. but there's a young man and they are young - around at all. but there's a young man and they are young men, i around at all. but there's a youngl man and they are young men, you around at all. but there's a young i man and they are young men, you can tell by— man and they are young men, you can tell by their _ man and they are young men, you can tell by their build, _ man and they are young men, you can tell by their build, they've _ man and they are young men, you can tell by their build, they've got - tell by their build, they've got these — tell by their build, they've got these big _ tell by their build, they've got these big bredewold - tell by their build, they've got these big bredewold electric. tell by their build, they've got i these big bredewold electric bikes, core and _ these big bredewold electric bikes, core and sprightly— these big bredewold electric bikes, core and sprightly along _ these big bredewold electric bikes, core and sprightly along the - these big bredewold electric bikes, core and sprightly along the road, i core and sprightly along the road, they have — core and sprightly along the road, they have a — core and sprightly along the road, they have a balaclava _ core and sprightly along the road, they have a balaclava over- core and sprightly along the road, they have a balaclava over their . they have a balaclava over their head. _ they have a balaclava over their head. dark _ they have a balaclava over their head, dark clothing, _ they have a balaclava over their head, dark clothing, in- they have a balaclava over their head, dark clothing, in and - they have a balaclava over their head, dark clothing, in and out| they have a balaclava over their l head, dark clothing, in and out of traffic. _ head, dark clothing, in and out of traffic. going _ head, dark clothing, in and out of traffic, going through _ head, dark clothing, in and out of traffic, going through red - head, dark clothing, in and out of traffic, going through red lights. traffic, going through red lights without— traffic, going through red lights without any— traffic, going through red lights without any fear— traffic, going through red lights without any fear of— traffic, going through red lights without any fear of what - traffic, going through red lights without any fear of what would i without any fear of what would happen — without any fear of what would happen to _ without any fear of what would happen to the _ without any fear of what would happen to the root _ without any fear of what would happen to the root user- without any fear of what would happen to the root user or - without any fear of what would - happen to the root user or anything like that _

happen to the root user or anything like that. there's _ happen to the root user or anything like that. there's nobody— happen to the root user or anything like that. there's nobody actually. like that. there's nobody actually on the _ like that. there's nobody actually on the streets _ like that. there's nobody actually on the streets to _ like that. there's nobody actually on the streets to deter _ like that. there's nobody actually on the streets to deter this. - like that. there's nobody actually on the streets to deter this. you i on the streets to deter this. you never— on the streets to deter this. you never see — on the streets to deter this. you never see a _ on the streets to deter this. you never see a traffic _ on the streets to deter this. you never see a traffic officer, - on the streets to deter this. you never see a traffic officer, you . never see a traffic officer, you never — never see a traffic officer, you never see _ never see a traffic officer, you never see just _ never see a traffic officer, you never see just an— never see a traffic officer, you never see just an ordinary - never see a traffic officer, you i never see just an ordinary bobby along _ never see just an ordinary bobby along the — never see just an ordinary bobby along the street. _ never see just an ordinary bobby along the street. he _ never see just an ordinary bobby along the street.— never see just an ordinary bobby along the street. he wants to answer that? northumbria _ along the street. he wants to answer that? northumbria police _ along the street. he wants to answer that? northumbria police of - along the street. he wants to answer that? northumbria police of course l that? northumbria police of course not here to respond to that but given that, carol said. this not here to respond to that but given that, carol said. first not here to respond to that but given that, carol said.- not here to respond to that but given that, carol said. as i say to ou, if given that, carol said. as i say to you. if you _ given that, carol said. as i say to you. if you have _ given that, carol said. as i say to you, if you have a _ given that, carol said. as i say to you, if you have a workload - given that, carol said. as i say to you, if you have a workload of. given that, carol said. as i say to . you, if you have a workload of 25-30 you, if you have a workload of 25—30 crimes, you are investigating crimes, you are investigating crimes, there is not enough police on the beat but you need to also think about what you want us to do? if we pursue this person and they die, and it could happen because a lot of them do not wear helmets, that becomes targeted policing so in order to target police and get information from the community about these people, they will see them coming out of the drives, it is

difficult because we have to throw resources at that person so they are not driving that. it is not a case of simply... as i say, a really difficult situation, do we pursue that person and they could be injured or maimed? you do not want that. therefore we need local communities to tell us who these people are, they must see them coming out of their drives. that is what ou coming out of their drives. that is what you need — coming out of their drives. that is what you need trust _ coming out of their drives. that is what you need trust with - coming out of their drives. that is what you need trust with the - coming out of their drives. that is what you need trust with the local community. it what you need trust with the local community-— community. it is a full circle thin. community. it is a full circle thing- the _ community. it is a full circle thing. the community - community. it is a full circle thing. the community know| community. it is a full circle - thing. the community know what is happening. thing. the community know what is ha eninu. , thing. the community know what is haueninu. , ., thing. the community know what is ha . henin _ , ., ., ~' ., happening. they are taking them from --eole happening. they are taking them from people stripes — happening. they are taking them from people stripes and _ happening. they are taking them from people stripes and they _ happening. they are taking them from people stripes and they are _ happening. they are taking them from people stripes and they are not - happening. they are taking them from people stripes and they are not even l people stripes and they are not even theirs, _ people stripes and they are not even theirs, going— people stripes and they are not even theirs, going in— people stripes and they are not even theirs, going in the _ people stripes and they are not even theirs, going in the middle— people stripes and they are not even theirs, going in the middle of- people stripes and they are not even theirs, going in the middle of the - theirs, going in the middle of the night, _ theirs, going in the middle of the night, that— theirs, going in the middle of the night, that does— theirs, going in the middle of the night, that does that. _ theirs, going in the middle of the night, that does that. you - theirs, going in the middle of the night, that does that. you phone| theirs, going in the middle of the i night, that does that. you phone up and say— night, that does that. you phone up and say we — night, that does that. you phone up and say we have _ night, that does that. you phone up and say we have had... _ night, that does that. you phone up and say we have had... here - night, that does that. you phone up and say we have had... here is- night, that does that. you phone up and say we have had... here is a . and say we have had... here is a crime _ and say we have had... here is a crime number, _ and say we have had... here is a crime number, you— and say we have had... here is a crime number, you do— and say we have had... here is a crime number, you do not- and say we have had... here is a crime number, you do not see i and say we have had... here is a crime number, you do not see a| and say we have had... here is a - crime number, you do not see a baby any more _ crime number, you do not see a baby an more. ., ., ., ., any more. carol, what about burglaries? _ any more. carol, what about burglaries? whenever - any more. carol, what about burglaries? whenever we i any more. carol, what about - burglaries? whenever we discussed that the programme, we were inundated with calls saying these people do it with impunity but what do you think? timer;t

people do it with impunity but what do you think?— people do it with impunity but what do you think? they have no feeling, the have do you think? they have no feeling, they have no _ do you think? they have no feeling, they have no recompense _ do you think? they have no feeling, they have no recompense or - do you think? they have no feeling, i they have no recompense or anything. they did not think of the person they are taking from, the police say ok, we will look into it, here is a 0k, we will look into it, here is a crime number and 0k, we will look into it, here is a crime numberand i 0k, we will look into it, here is a crime number and i get that they are busy. fortunately, where i work, i see them on a regular basis coming in on a night time to do something, i do not at work the stations they've got to come in from where i am to pick up information and that goes out with them but it's... i'm angry because there's not enough police. i'm angry because i am sold as methuselah! when the police came anywhere near for it were, as methuselah! when the police came anywhere nearfor it were, i as methuselah! when the police came anywhere near for it were, i was scared of the policemen on my estate

and i hadn't done anything wrong! because he had stature. he was this big tall bloke who could handle himself and now, you know, don't get us wrong, there is nothing against what's going on now but the bigger the slots are, and the heavier they go in, the better. there's not enough of these lads to go in and do stuff, to take the long down, to do the investigations... bud stuff, to take the long down, to do the investigations. . ._ stuff, to take the long down, to do the investigations... and america to do lots of paperwork _ the investigations... and america to do lots of paperwork after. - the investigations... and america to do lots of paperwork after. hang - the investigations... and america to | do lots of paperwork after. hang on, everyone, i am do lots of paperwork after. hang on, everyone, iam going do lots of paperwork after. hang on, everyone, i am going to read out some pics from former and serving officers. and then we have another guest. i am a female service police officer 20 years, i would not want any police man to be near any of my family members. from first hand experience misogyny and sexual

impropriety is rife. it will take decades for the organisation to change. another one, it is longish but fascinating. do not quote my name but i want to echo what being said. plenty of helpful police officers who jump into action. i live in central london and after an incident on friday, on saturday i decided to report a sexual assault, not only did the police respond quickly but they insisted seeing me that night and within an hour to ensure i was genuinely 0k. they took the report. they called me before dispatching the officers to confirm i am 0k dispatching the officers to confirm i am ok with two male officers as they did not have female officer availability, i didn't even hesitate for a moment, availability, i didn't even hesitate fora moment, it didn't availability, i didn't even hesitate for a moment, it didn't cross my mind to worry about minute and the officers who should have a wonderful, friendly, reassuring, nothing but professional. i think it's important to also remember people do not take the time to publicly speak about the good

experiences they have the police, they speak about the negative. one more from you and then zoe bellingham, her reaction. serving officer, cannot speak as i am working. i would like to say the met is doing so much to make it easier and saferfor officers to is doing so much to make it easier and safer for officers to report wrongdoing. that is more than a white there are so many and suspension. the woman speaking is a former officer therefore has no formal access to what the met is doing on the back of the baroness casey report. it was back to the time of theresa may when cuts were made. i keep fighting the good fight, we need support to root out bad officers but support and understanding in what we do on a daily basis. understanding in what we do on a daily basis-— daily basis. sorry, for comment? absolutely- _ daily basis. sorry, for comment? absolutely. we _ daily basis. sorry, for comment? absolutely. we have _ daily basis. sorry, for comment? absolutely. we have to - daily basis. sorry, for comment? | absolutely. we have to remember amidst— absolutely. we have to remember amidst all— absolutely. we have to remember amidst all of— absolutely. we have to remember amidst all of their— absolutely. we have to remember amidst all of their and _ absolutely. we have to remember amidst all of their and there - absolutely. we have to remember amidst all of their and there are l amidst all of their and there are eye watering _ amidst all of their and there are eye watering figures _ amidst all of their and there are eye watering figures on - amidst all of their and there are eye watering figures on officers| eye watering figures on officers being _ eye watering figures on officers being suspended _ eye watering figures on officers being suspended and _ eye watering figures on officers .

being suspended and unrestricted duties— being suspended and unrestricted duties ttut— being suspended and unrestricted duties but the _ being suspended and unrestricted duties but the vast _ being suspended and unrestricted duties but the vast majority- being suspended and unrestricted duties but the vast majority of- being suspended and unrestricted. duties but the vast majority of men and women — duties but the vast majority of men and women up _ duties but the vast majority of men and women up and _ duties but the vast majority of men and women up and down _ duties but the vast majority of men and women up and down the - duties but the vast majority of men and women up and down the land i duties but the vast majority of men i and women up and down the land and policing _ and women up and down the land and policing are _ and women up and down the land and policing are doing _ and women up and down the land and policing are doing their— and women up and down the land and policing are doing their very— and women up and down the land and policing are doing their very best- policing are doing their very best for us _ policing are doing their very best for us each — policing are doing their very best for us each day _ policing are doing their very best for us each day and _ policing are doing their very best for us each day and it's - policing are doing their very best for us each day and it's great - policing are doing their very best for us each day and it's great to| for us each day and it's great to hear— for us each day and it's great to hear examples _ for us each day and it's great to hear examples of— for us each day and it's great to hear examples of the _ for us each day and it's great to hear examples of the police - for us each day and it's great to. hear examples of the police have done _ hear examples of the police have done a _ hear examples of the police have done a great _ hear examples of the police have done a greatiob_ hear examples of the police have done a greatjob but— hear examples of the police have done a greatjob but let's - hear examples of the police have done a greatjob but let's not - hear examples of the police have . done a greatjob but let's not make a mistake — done a greatjob but let's not make a mistake the _ done a greatjob but let's not make a mistake. the police _ done a greatjob but let's not make a mistake. the police have - done a greatjob but let's not make a mistake. the police have got- done a greatjob but let's not make a mistake. the police have got a i a mistake. the police have got a hugely— a mistake. the police have got a hugely difficult— a mistake. the police have got a hugely difficult task, _ a mistake. the police have got a hugely difficult task, crime - a mistake. the police have got a hugely difficult task, crime thati a mistake. the police have got a. hugely difficult task, crime that is members — hugely difficult task, crime that is members of— hugely difficult task, crime that is members of the _ hugely difficult task, crime that is members of the public, _ hugely difficult task, crime that is members of the public, recordedi hugely difficult task, crime that is . members of the public, recorded by the police _ members of the public, recorded by the police has — members of the public, recorded by the police has increased _ the police has increased exponentially _ the police has increased exponentially over - the police has increased exponentially over the l the police has increased . exponentially over the last the police has increased _ exponentially over the last decade, 20,000 _ exponentially over the last decade, 20,000 new— exponentially over the last decade, 20,000 new cops _ exponentially over the last decade, 20,000 new cops but _ exponentially over the last decade, 20,000 new cops but that - exponentially over the last decade, 20,000 new cops but that is - exponentially over the last decade, 20,000 new cops but that is greati 20,000 new cops but that is great but barely— 20,000 new cops but that is great but barely gets _ 20,000 new cops but that is great but barely gets us _ 20,000 new cops but that is great but barely gets us back— 20,000 new cops but that is great but barely gets us back to - 20,000 new cops but that is great but barely gets us back to the - but barely gets us back to the numbers— but barely gets us back to the numbers we _ but barely gets us back to the numbers we had _ but barely gets us back to the numbers we had ten- but barely gets us back to the numbers we had ten years - but barely gets us back to the i numbers we had ten years ago but barely gets us back to the - numbers we had ten years ago and the expectation _ numbers we had ten years ago and the expectatioh and — numbers we had ten years ago and the expectation and demands _ numbers we had ten years ago and the expectation and demands that - numbers we had ten years ago and the expectation and demands that the - expectation and demands that the public— expectation and demands that the public rightly _ expectation and demands that the public rightly place _ expectation and demands that the public rightly place in _ expectation and demands that the public rightly place in the - expectation and demands that the public rightly place in the police i public rightly place in the police are increasing. _ public rightly place in the police are increasing. 0nline - public rightly place in the police are increasing. 0nline crime, i are increasing. 0nline crime, grooming _ are increasing. 0nline crime, grooming of— are increasing. 0nline crime, grooming of children, - are increasing. 0nline crime, grooming of children, all- are increasing. 0nline crime, i grooming of children, all sorts are increasing. 0nline crime, - grooming of children, all sorts of things— grooming of children, all sorts of things we — grooming of children, all sorts of things we probably _ grooming of children, all sorts of things we probably haven't - grooming of children, all sorts of things we probably haven't heard about— things we probably haven't heard about ten— things we probably haven't heard about ten years _ things we probably haven't heard about ten years ago _ things we probably haven't heard about ten years ago that - things we probably haven't heard about ten years ago that police . things we probably haven't heard - about ten years ago that police must deal with— about ten years ago that police must deal with so— about ten years ago that police must deal with so it — about ten years ago that police must deal with so it is _ about ten years ago that police must deal with so it is a _ about ten years ago that police must deal with so it is a massive - about ten years ago that police must deal with so it is a massive job - about ten years ago that police must deal with so it is a massive job for. deal with so it is a massive job for them _ deal with so it is a massive job for them the — deal with so it is a massive job for them. the number— deal with so it is a massive job for them. the number one _ deal with so it is a massive job for them. the number one priority. deal with so it is a massive job fori them. the number one priority has deal with so it is a massive job for- them. the number one priority has to be that— them. the number one priority has to be that the _ them. the number one priority has to be that the police _ them. the number one priority has to be that the police restore _ them. the number one priority has to be that the police restore public- be that the police restore public trust _ policing in this country is founded

on policing — policing in this country is founded on policing by— policing in this country is founded on policing by consent, _ policing in this country is founded on policing by consent, and - on policing by consent, and if public— on policing by consent, and if public trust _ on policing by consent, and if public trust ebbs _ on policing by consent, and if public trust ebbs away, - on policing by consent, and if- public trust ebbs away, then we are looking _ public trust ebbs away, then we are looking at— public trust ebbs away, then we are looking at a — public trust ebbs away, then we are looking at a deconstruction - public trust ebbs away, then we are looking at a deconstruction of - public trust ebbs away, then we are looking at a deconstruction of the l looking at a deconstruction of the fabric— looking at a deconstruction of the fabric of— looking at a deconstruction of the fabric of law— looking at a deconstruction of the fabric of law and _ looking at a deconstruction of the fabric of law and order— looking at a deconstruction of the fabric of law and order in - looking at a deconstruction of the fabric of law and order in our- fabric of law and order in our society. _ fabric of law and order in our society, and _ fabric of law and order in our society, and that _ fabric of law and order in our society, and that cannot - fabric of law and order in our- society, and that cannot possibly be allowed _ society, and that cannot possibly be allowed to _ society, and that cannot possibly be allowed to happen. _ society, and that cannot possibly be allowed to happen. so, _ society, and that cannot possibly be allowed to happen. so, the - society, and that cannot possibly be allowed to happen. so, the issue i society, and that cannot possibly be allowed to happen. so, the issue of| allowed to happen. so, the issue of restoring _ allowed to happen. so, the issue of restoring trust _ allowed to happen. so, the issue of restoring trust has _ allowed to happen. so, the issue of restoring trust has to _ allowed to happen. so, the issue of restoring trust has to be _ allowed to happen. so, the issue of restoring trust has to be the - allowed to happen. so, the issue ofi restoring trust has to be the number one priority. — restoring trust has to be the number one priority. not _ restoring trust has to be the number one priority, notjust— restoring trust has to be the number one priority, notjust for— restoring trust has to be the number one priority, not just for mark - one priority, notjust for mark rowley. — one priority, notjust for mark rowley. the _ one priority, notjust for mark rowley, the met— one priority, not just for mark . rowley, the met commissioner, one priority, not just for mark - rowley, the met commissioner, and that is— rowley, the met commissioner, and that is his _ rowley, the met commissioner, and that is his main _ rowley, the met commissioner, and that is his main priority, _ rowley, the met commissioner, and that is his main priority, but- rowley, the met commissioner, and that is his main priority, but for- that is his main priority, but for every— that is his main priority, but for every chief— that is his main priority, but for every chief constable. - that is his main priority, but for every chief constable. the - that is his main priority, but for every chief constable. the successor in the 'ob, every chief constable. the successor in the job. the _ every chief constable. the successor in the job, the job _ every chief constable. the successor in the job, the job that _ every chief constable. the successor in the job, the job that you - every chief constable. the successor in the job, the job that you held, - in the job, the job that you held, andy cook, head of his majesties inspectorate of constabulary, has said this is the worst crisis in law and order in living memory. when we read stuff like that, a lot of cops will say, like the texts we have just read out, that is just hyperbole, is it, or is he right? i hyperbole, is it, or is he right? i don't think it is. i work with andy. he has— don't think it is. i work with andy. he has seen— don't think it is. i work with andy. he has seen policing _ don't think it is. i work with andy. he has seen policing from - don't think it is. i work with andy. he has seen policing from the - he has seen policing from the frontline. _ he has seen policing from the frontline, he _ he has seen policing from the frontline, he has _ he has seen policing from the frontline, he has progressed. he has seen policing from the - frontline, he has progressed through his career— frontline, he has progressed through his career from _ frontline, he has progressed through his career from a _ frontline, he has progressed through his career from a frontline _ frontline, he has progressed through his career from a frontline cop - frontline, he has progressed through his career from a frontline cop to - his career from a frontline cop to being _ his career from a frontline cop to being chief— his career from a frontline cop to being chief constable _ his career from a frontline cop to being chief constable of - his career from a frontline cop to - being chief constable of merseyside, a place _ being chief constable of merseyside, a place where — being chief constable of merseyside,

a place where it— being chief constable of merseyside, a place where it has— being chief constable of merseyside, a place where it has got— being chief constable of merseyside, a place where it has got challenging i a place where it has got challenging social— a place where it has got challenging social problems _ a place where it has got challenging social problems as _ a place where it has got challenging social problems as well— a place where it has got challenging social problems as well as - a place where it has got challenging social problems as well as complexl social problems as well as complex crime~ _ social problems as well as complex crime i_ social problems as well as complex crime~ iagree— social problems as well as complex crime. i agree with— social problems as well as complex crime. i agree with him, _ social problems as well as complex crime. i agree with him, public- crime. i agree with him, public trust _ crime. i agree with him, public trust in — crime. i agree with him, public trust in the _ crime. i agree with him, public trust in the met _ crime. i agree with him, public trust in the met and _ crime. i agree with him, public trust in the met and by - crime. i agree with him, public- trust in the met and by implication of the _ trust in the met and by implication of the police — trust in the met and by implication of the police forces, _ trust in the met and by implication of the police forces, is _ trust in the met and by implication of the police forces, is in - of the police forces, is in freefall, _ of the police forces, is in freefall, and _ of the police forces, is in freefall, and the - of the police forces, is in freefall, and the crisis i of the police forces, is in freefall, and the crisis is| of the police forces, is in - freefall, and the crisis is halting that dissolution _ freefall, and the crisis is halting that dissolution of _ freefall, and the crisis is halting that dissolution of trust - freefall, and the crisis is halting that dissolution of trust in - freefall, and the crisis is halting that dissolution of trust in the l that dissolution of trust in the police — that dissolution of trust in the police so _ that dissolution of trust in the police so that— that dissolution of trust in the police so that we _ that dissolution of trust in the police so that we can - that dissolution of trust in the police so that we can police i that dissolution of trust in the | police so that we can police by consent — police so that we can police by consent so _ police so that we can police by consent. so that _ police so that we can police by consent. so that as _ police so that we can police by consent. so that as a - police so that we can police by consent. so that as a woman i| police so that we can police by - consent. so that as a woman i can rin- consent. so that as a woman i can ring the — consent. so that as a woman i can ring the cops. — consent. so that as a woman i can ring the cops, nicky, _ consent. so that as a woman i can ring the cops, nicky, and - consent. so that as a woman i can ring the cops, nicky, and know. consent. so that as a woman i can. ring the cops, nicky, and know that that officer — ring the cops, nicky, and know that that officer who— ring the cops, nicky, and know that that officer who crosses _ ring the cops, nicky, and know that that officer who crosses the - that officer who crosses the threshold _ that officer who crosses the threshold in _ that officer who crosses the threshold in my— that officer who crosses the threshold in my moment i that officer who crosses the threshold in my moment of| that officer who crosses the - threshold in my moment of need is going _ threshold in my moment of need is going to _ threshold in my moment of need is going to protect— threshold in my moment of need is going to protect me _ threshold in my moment of need is going to protect me and _ threshold in my moment of need is going to protect me and not - threshold in my moment of need is| going to protect me and not predate on me. _ going to protect me and not predate on me. and — going to protect me and not predate on me, and frankly— going to protect me and not predate on me, and frankly right— going to protect me and not predate on me, and frankly right now- going to protect me and not predate on me, and frankly right now we - going to protect me and not predate on me, and frankly right now we asi on me, and frankly right now we as women _ on me, and frankly right now we as women can't — on me, and frankly right now we as women can't be _ on me, and frankly right now we as women can't be certain— on me, and frankly right now we as women can't be certain that - on me, and frankly right now we as women can't be certain that that i women can't be certain that that police _ women can't be certain that that police officer— women can't be certain that that police officer who _ women can't be certain that that police officer who crosses - women can't be certain that that police officer who crosses our. police officer who crosses our threshold _ police officer who crosses our threshold is _ police officer who crosses our threshold is there _ police officer who crosses our threshold is there in- police officer who crosses our threshold is there in good - police officer who crosses our. threshold is there in good faith, police officer who crosses our- threshold is there in good faith, as opposed _ threshold is there in good faith, as opposed to — threshold is there in good faith, as opposed to bad _ threshold is there in good faith, as opposed to bad faith. _ threshold is there in good faith, as opposed to bad faith. so _ threshold is there in good faith, as opposed to bad faith. so i - threshold is there in good faith, as opposed to bad faith. so i think. opposed to bad faith. so i think mark— opposed to bad faith. so i think mark rowley— opposed to bad faith. so i think mark rowley has _ opposed to bad faith. so i think mark rowley has got _ opposed to bad faith. so i think mark rowley has got a - opposed to bad faith. so i think mark rowley has got a very- mark rowley has got a very difficult 'ob mark rowley has got a very difficult job to _ mark rowley has got a very difficult job to do. _ mark rowley has got a very difficult job to do. i— mark rowley has got a very difficult job to do, ithink— mark rowley has got a very difficult job to do, i think he _ mark rowley has got a very difficult job to do, i think he is— mark rowley has got a very difficult job to do, i think he is focusing - mark rowley has got a very difficult job to do, i think he is focusing on. job to do, i think he is focusing on more _ job to do, i think he is focusing on more trust. — job to do, i think he is focusing on more trust, less _ job to do, i think he is focusing on more trust, less crime, _ job to do, i think he is focusing on more trust, less crime, high- more trust, less crime, high standards. _ more trust, less crime, high standards, but— more trust, less crime, high standards, but the - more trust, less crime, high standards, but the more - more trust, less crime, high. standards, but the more trust more trust, less crime, high- standards, but the more trust bit has to— standards, but the more trust bit has to come _ standards, but the more trust bit has to come first. _ standards, but the more trust bit has to come first.— standards, but the more trust bit has to come first. what about what carol said there, _ has to come first. what about what carol said there, from _ has to come first. what about what carol said there, from sunderland, | carol said there, from sunderland, interesting point, she was talking

about her estate and the tear—away kids, and she said at the end, something which i think is significant because it tells us about how it was and how it is, we need police officers that those young louts, old—fashioned word, respect. and even fear, just a little bit? or are those days gone? yeah, i think that is a bit dixon of yeah, i think that is a bit dixon 0f dock— yeah, i think that is a bit dixon 0f dock green. — yeah, i think that is a bit dixon 0f dock green. if— yeah, i think that is a bit dixon 0f dock green, if i'm _ yeah, i think that is a bit dixon 0f dock green, if i'm being - yeah, i think that is a bit dixon ofi dock green, if i'm being absolutely honest. _ dock green, if i'm being absolutely honest. nicky, _ dock green, if i'm being absolutely honest. nicky, i_ dock green, if i'm being absolutely honest, nicky, ithink— dock green, if i'm being absolutely honest, nicky, i think the - dock green, if i'm being absolutely honest, nicky, i think the days - dock green, if i'm being absolutely honest, nicky, i think the days of. honest, nicky, i think the days of the police — honest, nicky, ! think the days of the police officer— honest, nicky, i think the days of the police officer giving _ honest, nicky, i think the days of the police officer giving the - honest, nicky, i think the days of the police officer giving the youth a clip _ the police officer giving the youth a clip round — the police officer giving the youth a clip round the _ the police officer giving the youth a clip round the ear— the police officer giving the youth a clip round the ear is— the police officer giving the youth a clip round the ear is long - the police officer giving the youth a clip round the ear is long gonei a clip round the ear is long gone and what — a clip round the ear is long gone and what we _ a clip round the ear is long gone and what we do _ a clip round the ear is long gone and what we do need _ a clip round the ear is long gone and what we do need is, - a clip round the ear is long gone and what we do need is, and - a clip round the ear is long gone l and what we do need is, and carol a clip round the ear is long gone - and what we do need is, and carol is white _ and what we do need is, and carol is white in _ and what we do need is, and carol is white in this— and what we do need is, and carol is white in this respect, _ and what we do need is, and carol is white in this respect, we _ and what we do need is, and carol is white in this respect, we need - white in this respect, we need visible — white in this respect, we need visible policing _ white in this respect, we need visible policing in _ white in this respect, we need visible policing in our- white in this respect, we need - visible policing in our communities, we need _ visible policing in our communities, we need policing _ visible policing in our communities, we need policing not _ visible policing in our communities, we need policing not to— visible policing in our communities, we need policing not to be - we need policing not to be just reactive, — we need policing not to be just reactive, so _ we need policing not to be just reactive, so not _ we need policing not to be just reactive, so notjust— we need policing not to be just reactive, so not just the - we need policing not to be just reactive, so notjust the 999. we need policing not to be just - reactive, so notjust the 999 calls, but preventative, _ reactive, so notjust the 999 calls, but preventative, so, _ reactive, so notjust the 999 calls, but preventative, so, getting - reactive, so notjust the 999 calls, but preventative, so, getting to i but preventative, so, getting to know _ but preventative, so, getting to know the — but preventative, so, getting to know the local _ but preventative, so, getting to know the local communities, i but preventative, so, getting to - know the local communities, where are the _ know the local communities, where are the trouble _ know the local communities, where are the trouble hotspots, _ know the local communities, where are the trouble hotspots, who - know the local communities, where are the trouble hotspots, who are l are the trouble hotspots, who are the kids— are the trouble hotspots, who are the kids that _ are the trouble hotspots, who are the kids that are _ are the trouble hotspots, who are the kids that are being _ are the trouble hotspots, who are the kids that are being excluded i the kids that are being excluded from _ the kids that are being excluded from school— the kids that are being excluded from school and _ the kids that are being excluded from school and potentially- the kids that are being excluded. from school and potentially going the kids that are being excluded - from school and potentially going to be creating — from school and potentially going to be creating trouble? _ from school and potentially going to be creating trouble? what _ from school and potentially going to be creating trouble? what can - from school and potentially going to be creating trouble? what can the l be creating trouble? what can the police _ be creating trouble? what can the police do — be creating trouble? what can the police do to — be creating trouble? what can the police do to make _ be creating trouble? what can the police do to make sure _ be creating trouble? what can the police do to make sure that - be creating trouble? what can the police do to make sure that those | police do to make sure that those kids are _

police do to make sure that those kids are diverted _ police do to make sure that those kids are diverted from _ police do to make sure that those kids are diverted from perhaps i police do to make sure that those kids are diverted from perhaps a. kids are diverted from perhaps a lifetime — kids are diverted from perhaps a lifetime of— kids are diverted from perhaps a lifetime of crime, _ kids are diverted from perhaps a lifetime of crime, working - kids are diverted from perhaps a lifetime of crime, working with i lifetime of crime, working with other— lifetime of crime, working with other agencies, _ lifetime of crime, working with other agencies, so— lifetime of crime, working with other agencies, so that - lifetime of crime, working with other agencies, so that we - lifetime of crime, working with other agencies, so that we are| other agencies, so that we are actually— other agencies, so that we are actually getting _ other agencies, so that we are actually getting ahead - other agencies, so that we are actually getting ahead of - other agencies, so that we are actually getting ahead of the l actually getting ahead of the stream? _ actually getting ahead of the stream? neighbourhood - actually getting ahead of the - stream? neighbourhood policing, so that preventative _ stream? neighbourhood policing, so that preventative policing _ that preventative policing was the first thing — that preventative policing was the first thing to _ that preventative policing was the first thing to go _ that preventative policing was the first thing to go in _ that preventative policing was the first thing to go in austerity- that preventative policing was the first thing to go in austerity a - first thing to go in austerity a decade — first thing to go in austerity a decade ago. _ first thing to go in austerity a decade ago, the _ first thing to go in austerity a decade ago, the public- first thing to go in austerity a| decade ago, the public rightly first thing to go in austerity a - decade ago, the public rightly want to see _ decade ago, the public rightly want to see cops— decade ago, the public rightly want to see cops on— decade ago, the public rightly want to see cops on their— decade ago, the public rightly want to see cops on their streets, - decade ago, the public rightly want to see cops on their streets, they. to see cops on their streets, they want _ to see cops on their streets, they want to— to see cops on their streets, they want to know— to see cops on their streets, they want to know who _ to see cops on their streets, they want to know who their _ to see cops on their streets, they want to know who their police - want to know who their police officer — want to know who their police officer is, _ want to know who their police officer is, they _ want to know who their police officer is, they want - want to know who their police officer is, they want to - want to know who their police officer is, they want to make i want to know who their police - officer is, they want to make that connection— officer is, they want to make that connection and _ officer is, they want to make that connection and i— officer is, they want to make that connection and i think _ officer is, they want to make that connection and i think it - officer is, they want to make that connection and i think it is- officer is, they want to make that connection and i think it is an - connection and i think it is an absolute _ connection and i think it is an absolute priority— connection and i think it is an absolute priority that - connection and i think it is an absolute priority that we - connection and i think it is an i absolute priority that we rebuild and restore _ absolute priority that we rebuild and restore that. _ absolute priority that we rebuild and restore that. former- absolute priority that we rebuild and restore that. former hm . and restore that. former hm inspector— and restore that. former hm inspector of. _ and restore that. former hm inspector of, thank- and restore that. former hm inspector of, thank you - and restore that. former hm inspector of, thank you for l and restore that. former hm . inspector of, thank you for that. and restore that. former hm - inspector of, thank you for that. i want inspector of, thank you for that. want to thank all of our callers, superb call from dave in particular who gave us the gospel as it is, what is going on. thank you for that. keep your calls and messages coming in. how do we restore trust in the police? that is our first hour discussion.

and here is the news, from nick hatfield. thank you, landrieu, good morning. youtube says it has blocked russell brand from making money from ads on the site. it says it is for violating the creative responsibility policy. the comedian has been accused of rape and sexual assault, which he denies. more than 1000 metropolitan police officers are currently suspended or on restricted duties. the force says it could take years to root out and remove all corrupt officers. consultant doctors in england are holding a two—day strike in their latest action over pay and conditions. junior doctors will begin a three—day walkout tomorrow and all users of the x social platform which used to be known as twitter may have to pay in the future. elon musk says it is the only way he can think of to stop bass accounts. former newcastle captain rob lee has told us he feels optimistic about their chances in the champions league after an absence of 20 years. they face ac

milan tonight in the san siro, manager eddie howe says their delayed flight yesterday due to a storm won't impact their performance. you can listen to commentary on bbc radio 5 live, build—up starts at 5.30 pm. manchester city begin their group campaign against red star belgrade, celtic travel to feyenoord. spanish forward jenny hermoso has released a statement saying their fa have come up statement saying their fa have come up with another strategy of manipulation to intimidate and threaten us. 39 spanish players are striking from the national side hollowing the fallout from the world cup kiss controversy, 2! of those were called up to the latest screen squad against their wishes. joe marler has defended england's rugby world cup performances so far, saying the nation won ugly in 2003 and no—one mentions that any more. the current side have faced criticism for their style of play despite sitting total top of their pool after two wins from two.

at ten o'clock, gareth barlow is going to have the latest news on bbc two and bbc news. gareth will take you through all that and 5 live does the age of consent need to change? that is at ten o'clock on the radio. one of the women accusing russell brand of sexual abuse says that it does. that is ellis, not her real name. she was on the emma barnett programme yesterday on radio 4 and

she says she was 16 when she had a three month relationship with him. absolutely legal, but she says as she has got older and reflected on what happened, she is increasingly angry about the relationship and says she now thinks no way was it appropriate for a 16—year—old to have a relationship with a man in his 30s. russell brand has vehemently denied the very serious criminal allegations against him. let's discuss the age of consent. this is going to be so interesting finding out where we are on this one from you. does it work? does it need to change? the age of marriage has just been raised in england and wales from 16 to 18, people in positions of trust, teachers for example have been banned from sexual relationships with u18s. so, that is the question, does the age of consent need to change, do we need to look at that? that is at ten.

more terrible headlines, a stream of awful headlines recently of course about the police and we are asking how we restore trust in the police. as zoe billingham was saying, trust is at the heart, it is the bedrock of a properly functioning society, trust in the police. if it is gone, how do we get it back? we will be speaking to a former commander of greater manchester police shortly, and we have got another serving police officer. loads of really interesting texts coming from people who are in the police in the here and now. hi, steve, andy in droitwich, retired last year. steve, you're very welcome, what would you like to say? you're very welcome, what would you like to sa ? you're very welcome, what would you like to say?— like to say? good morning. is this to me, like to say? good morning. is this to me. andy? _ like to say? good morning. is this to me, andy? let's _ like to say? good morning. is this to me, andy? let's go _ like to say? good morning. is this to me, andy? let's go steve - like to say? good morning. is this| to me, andy? let's go steve first, a servin: to me, andy? let's go steve first, a serving police _ to me, andy? let's go steve first, a serving police officer. _

to me, andy? let's go steve first, a serving police officer. no _ to me, andy? let's go steve first, a serving police officer. no problem. | serving police officer. no problem. thanks for having _ serving police officer. no problem. thanks for having on. _ serving police officer. no problem. thanks for having on. i _ serving police officer. no problem. thanks for having on. i just - serving police officer. no problem. j thanks for having on. i just wanted thanks for having on. ijust wanted to see _ thanks for having on. ijust wanted to see that— thanks for having on. ijust wanted to see that trust is an all—time low but i _ to see that trust is an all—time low but i feel— to see that trust is an all—time low but i feel that is a lot to do with the stories— but i feel that is a lot to do with the stories that come out, we don't ever pass _ the stories that come out, we don't ever pass on — the stories that come out, we don't ever pass on the good stories. there are other— ever pass on the good stories. there are other things that we do that go unnoticed. — are other things that we do that go unnoticed, so for example a lot of my team — unnoticed, so for example a lot of my team will go four hours extra on top of— my team will go four hours extra on top of their— my team will go four hours extra on top of their shift, they might not even _ top of their shift, they might not even get — top of their shift, they might not even get paid for that, just to make sure that _ even get paid for that, just to make sure that we get the right service, we get _ sure that we get the right service, we get the — sure that we get the right service, we get the suspect through court, and we _ we get the suspect through court, and we do that because we want to, we don't _ and we do that because we want to, we don't do — and we do that because we want to, we don't do the job for pay, we don't _ we don't do the job for pay, we don't do — we don't do the job for pay, we don't do it— we don't do the job for pay, we don't do it for the hours because we don't _ don't do it for the hours because we don't get _ don't do it for the hours because we don't get the good pay, we don't get the good _ don't get the good pay, we don't get the good hours, we do it because we are about _ the good hours, we do it because we are about people and i think if we had more — are about people and i think if we had more people to come along with us on _ had more people to come along with us on shift _ had more people to come along with us on shift they would see that. and also on _ us on shift they would see that. and also on the — us on shift they would see that. and also on the side of, this back a typical— also on the side of, this back a typical image of big blokes that can

fight, _ typical image of big blokes that can fight, it— typical image of big blokes that can fight, it is— typical image of big blokes that can fight, it is not the case at all. i have _ fight, it is not the case at all. i have tattoos, that doesn't stop me helping _ have tattoos, that doesn't stop me helping lots of people. my colleagues, some of them are 5ft nothing. — colleagues, some of them are 5ft nothing, again, that doesn't stop them _ nothing, again, that doesn't stop them being absolutely excellent police _ them being absolutely excellent police officers.— them being absolutely excellent police officers. have you noticed a chance in police officers. have you noticed a change in attitude _ police officers. have you noticed a change in attitude from _ police officers. have you noticed a change in attitude from some - police officers. have you noticed a i change in attitude from some people towards you and do you think it is fed by the headlines? absolutely. just for example _ fed by the headlines? absolutely. just for example on _ fed by the headlines? absolutely. just for example on the _ fed by the headlines? absolutely. just for example on the weekend, when _ just for example on the weekend, when there was news stories about institutional racism had been five years— institutional racism had been five years without ever being called a racist, _ years without ever being called a racist, on — years without ever being called a racist, on that weekend i was called a racist _ racist, on that weekend i was called a racist five — racist, on that weekend i was called a racist five times, and that was purely— a racist five times, and that was purely fed — a racist five times, and that was purely fed by the headlines. the fact is— purely fed by the headlines. the fact is that there is no racism, especially— fact is that there is no racism, especially where i work, i don't especially where i work, idon't know— especially where i work, i don't know a — especially where i work, i don't know a single colleague ever has expressed racist views, anything like that — expressed racist views, anything like that. we always work really well together, everyone is always

really— well together, everyone is always really respectful. itjust well together, everyone is always really respectful. it just doesn't happen — really respectful. it 'ust doesn't ha en. . . really respectful. it 'ust doesn't ha en, , , ., really respectful. it 'ust doesn't hauen. , ,., ., , ., really respectful. it 'ust doesn't hauen. , , ., ., , ., ., happen. give us an example of what ha--ened happen. give us an example of what happened when _ happen. give us an example of what happened when you _ happen. give us an example of what happened when you were _ happen. give us an example of what happened when you were called - happen. give us an example of what happened when you were called a i happened when you were called a racist, steve? 50. happened when you were called a racist, steve?— racist, steve? so, for example, there is a _ racist, steve? so, for example, there is a massive _ racist, steve? so, for example, there is a massive fight, - racist, steve? so, for example, there is a massive fight, it - racist, steve? so, for example, there is a massive fight, it is i racist, steve? so, for example, there is a massive fight, it is at| there is a massive fight, it is at two o'clock— there is a massive fight, it is at two o'clock in the morning, and the male _ two o'clock in the morning, and the male that _ two o'clock in the morning, and the male that we arrested, who, as he defined, was from african descent, he has _ defined, was from african descent, he has been seen on a camera punching — he has been seen on a camera punching someone to the face, knocking — punching someone to the face, knocking them to the ground and then stamping _ knocking them to the ground and then stamping on them. so clearly he has been arrested for that unbelievable level of— been arrested for that unbelievable level of violence. but because we arrested — level of violence. but because we arrested him, his point of view was we only arrested him because of the colour— we only arrested him because of the colour of— we only arrested him because of the colour of his — we only arrested him because of the colour of his skin, which is clearly not the _ colour of his skin, which is clearly not the process at all. he has committed an offence and needs to be arrested _ committed an offence and needs to be arrested. . . committed an offence and needs to be arrested. ., , ., , ., arrested. that is the last refuge of the scoundrel, _ arrested. that is the last refuge of the scoundrel, though, _ arrested. that is the last refuge of the scoundrel, though, isn't - arrested. that is the last refuge of the scoundrel, though, isn't it, - arrested. that is the last refuge of the scoundrel, though, isn't it, in| the scoundrel, though, isn't it, in that particular situation. throwing everything he can at you. and you've

got particular challenges with rural crime where you are?— crime where you are? yeah, so, auain, crime where you are? yeah, so, again. with _ crime where you are? yeah, so, again, with rural— crime where you are? yeah, so, again, with rural crime, there is| again, with rural crime, there is 'ust again, with rural crime, there is just not— again, with rural crime, there is just not enough of us, we can't be in the _ just not enough of us, we can't be in the town— just not enough of us, we can't be in the town centres tackling drugs and antisocial behaviour with kids and antisocial behaviour with kids and be _ and antisocial behaviour with kids and be out — and antisocial behaviour with kids and be out in the rural areas tackling _ and be out in the rural areas tackling rural crime, it'sjust not possible — tackling rural crime, it's 'ust not ossible. �* . tackling rural crime, it's 'ust not ossible. �* , , ., possible. andrew, i will bring you in in a second, _ possible. andrew, i will bring you in in a second, got— possible. andrew, i will bring you in in a second, got some - possible. andrew, i will bring you in in a second, got some news i possible. andrew, i will bring you i in in a second, got some news here. this is breaking news. the number of schools in england where we enforced autoclaved aerated concrete has been found, raac, has risen from 147 to 174, the department for education has announced. more of this on bbc news throughout the day and on 5 live. thanks, steve. andrew, thanks for waiting, what is your contribution this morning refuge you retired last year?—

retired last year? yeah, i did, i retired, retired last year? yeah, i did, i retired. 30 _ retired last year? yeah, i did, i retired, 30 years _ retired last year? yeah, i did, i retired, 30 years last _ retired last year? yeah, i did, i retired, 30 years last year, i retired last year? yeah, i did, i l retired, 30 years last year, work retired last year? yeah, i did, i i retired, 30 years last year, work in two different forces, one an urban force, one classed as more rural. firstly i would just like to say your previous contributor, steve, i wholeheartedly agree with a lot of what he came outwith, there was a lot of truth there. bad news makes good publicity. sorry, good publicity, whereas a lot of the good stuff the police do just goes hidden away, because the public demand to see the police are taking action when there are wrongdoings within the force and i do despair but in my 30 years service, officers, there has always been bad officers, we are a microcosm of society at the end of the day and you are going to get good and bad. the majority of officers are good, hard—working officers. they are unfortunately stretched to the limit, because of the society we now live in, with more social media available than there was when i firstjoined, more people having mobile phones, people are there now trying to photograph,

film police, video police, and try and get any wrongdoing to make good publicity for themselves. my point i actually called in about was your first contributor, the female, i think she was an met superintendent or commander, i can't remember, but she was talking about investigations into police being conducted by a colleague or a peer who you were working with who might have been in your department or beat or shift. yeah, we were discussing the scenario of witnessing two other cops saying inappropriate things, and she is a former chief superintendent of the met, we might be working together, and then the next day i have to investigate you, you don't recognise that picture? never ever saw it once in 30 years. if never ever saw it once in 30 years. if somebody— never ever saw it once in 30 years. if somebody made a complaint about me, if somebody made a complaint about me. and _ if somebody made a complaint about me. and i_ if somebody made a complaint about me, and i had complaints about me by a member— me, and i had complaints about me by a memberof— me, and i had complaints about me by a member of the public, about something i may have done, but it would _ something i may have done, but it would not — something i may have done, but it would not have been investigated by

somebody who i worked with, one of my colleagues. it may go to your supervising officer, your shift sergeant— supervising officer, your shift sergeant or your department sergeant oran sergeant or your department sergeant or an inspector, sergeant or your department sergeant oran inspector, if sergeant or your department sergeant or an inspector, if it was deemed serious, — or an inspector, if it was deemed serious, there are departments within— serious, there are departments within the — serious, there are departments within the police that undertake these _ within the police that undertake these investigations with professional standards. i would never. — professional standards. i would never, ever, and i have never known an officer— never, ever, and i have never known an officer have — never, ever, and i have never known an officer have to investigate another _ an officer have to investigate another officer amongst the crime thing _ another officer amongst the crime thing that— another officer amongst the crime thing that they may hold for some wrongdoing or complaint made about them _ wrongdoing or complaint made about them that _ wrongdoing or complaint made about them. that was the point i initially texted _ them. that was the point i initially texted your show about.— them. that was the point i initially texted your show about. thank you for doinu texted your show about. thank you for doing that- _ texted your show about. thank you for doing that. chris _ texted your show about. thank you for doing that. chris is _ texted your show about. thank you for doing that. chris is another i for doing that. chris is another serving officer. good to have you on. how do we restore trust in the police? on. how do we restore trust in the olice? :: ., , ., , on. how do we restore trust in the police?_ say - on. how do we restore trust in the police?_ say that i police? 420-odd years. say that auain, police? 420-odd years. say that again. we _ police? 420-odd years. say that again. we lost— police? 420-odd years. say that again, we lost the _ police? 420-odd years. say that again, we lost the beginning - police? 420-odd years. say that again, we lost the beginning of. police? 420-odd years. say that l again, we lost the beginning of it? i have worked at the met for 20—odd years, and i have been a beat officerfor a years, and i have been a beat officer for a very long time and my point is that longevity is with your

community. the met got rid of safe neighbourhood officers years ago and i still served as a beat officer and the trust that i formed with my community is second to none. i still speak to my community members even now, they call me on my phone. it was all about longevity. h0??? now, they call me on my phone. it was all about longevity.— was all about longevity. how did you do that? well. _ was all about longevity. how did you do that? well, because _ was all about longevity. how did you do that? well, because you - was all about longevity. how did you do that? well, because you have - was all about longevity. how did you do that? well, because you have to| do that? well, because you have to co do that? well, because you have to no round do that? well, because you have to go round to — do that? well, because you have to go round to these _ do that? well, because you have to go round to these people, - do that? well, because you have to go round to these people, you - do that? well, because you have toi go round to these people, you have to be seen on the streets, you have to be seen on the streets, you have to be seen on the streets, you have to be knocking on doors, you have to go to youth clubs, you have to go round to neighbours. whenever somebody used to report a crime to me personally, what i did was i investigated it, i then might sure that all of my community knew what was going on, i make sure that everybody in the community knew that i was going to take action, that built the trust. when i dealt with the problem i made sure everybody in my community knew that i had dealt with the problem. i posted cards through pp list doors to tell them that i had dealt with the problem so they knew that i was going to do my

bit. they started to do their bit. and eventually over the years, people are saying hello to me, kids are starting to talk to me. it's all about longevity. beat officers are not in there for a long enough time, the community are there full—time, they live there, they breathe that community. we come in, we do our bit, we leave, we get promoted, we go to other places. if you keep a beat officer is doing the beat for years and years, these people will come to view and tell you everything about the community. i have cleaned up about the community. i have cleaned up estates from major crime to zero crime, and that is not exaggerating, thatis crime, and that is not exaggerating, that is the truth, and it's all about longevity.— that is the truth, and it's all about longevity. that is the truth, and it's all about lonuevi . ., ~' about longevity. you sound like the sort of person _ about longevity. you sound like the sort of person who _ about longevity. you sound like the sort of person who should - about longevity. you sound like the sort of person who should get - about longevity. you sound like the sort of person who should get an i about longevity. you sound like the i sort of person who should get an mbe for what you have done to by the way you describe it, if i may say so. so dedicated to yourjob and to the community. and working hard to have links to that community. and your colleagues as well?—

links to that community. and your colleagues as well? absolutely. i've never seen — colleagues as well? absolutely. i've never seen anything _ colleagues as well? absolutely. i've never seen anything wrong - colleagues as well? absolutely. i've never seen anything wrong with... l colleagues as well? absolutely. i've l never seen anything wrong with... my colleagues do a greatjob, honestly they do an absolutely greatjob. i've never seen anything that i would report or anything about any of my colleagues. the stuff they do extra, from your last caller, after hours, you know, we used to run sports events, do stuff that the kids could be invited to, under—16s, over—60s, and police officers were volunteering to go to these events to help out only for a couple of hours, but they don't have to do that. that is not part of their pay package, but they do. but that is never, ever reported, ever. [30 package, but they do. but that is never, ever reported, ever. do you aet a never, ever reported, ever. do you get a backlash — never, ever reported, ever. do you get a backlash from _ never, ever reported, ever. do you get a backlash from the _ never, ever reported, ever. do you get a backlash from the public- never, ever reported, ever. do you get a backlash from the public nowj get a backlash from the public now with all the bad headlines, baroness casey, who was absolutely scrupulous in her report, she does have some florid prose, which is great and there was a lot of stuff there which could be picked up by the newspapers and put in headlines and people read it and then theyjust think bad stuff of you, did you get a

backlash? . stuff of you, did you get a backlash?— stuff of you, did you get a backlash? , ., ~ ., stuff of you, did you get a backlash? , ., ~' ., . , backlash? , you know, i did anything other than what _ backlash? , you know, i did anything other than what i _ backlash? , you know, i did anything other than what i did _ backlash? , you know, i did anything other than what i did in _ backlash? , you know, i did anything other than what i did in my _ other than what i did in my community i got a backlash. but that isjust community i got a backlash. but that is just people, they are talking to you as a uniform not as an individual. people can read that what they read and believe what they believe but you have got to do your best to either change their mind or, you know. but in the community, never, absolutely never. anything anybody read about the police, firstly they would come to me and asked me and i would be truthful about it, but secondly, they knew what we did and how we work and never ever had any backlash from my community, ever. just never ever had any backlash from my community, ever.— community, ever. just to remind --eole community, ever. just to remind people that _ community, ever. just to remind people that the _ community, ever. just to remind people that the metropolitan - community, ever. just to remind i people that the metropolitan police has said that more than 1000 officers are currently suspended or on restricted duties. james is one of them and he is with us now — not real name. hi, james. hi. of them and he is with us now — not real name. hi,james. hi. so, real name. hi, james. hi. so, you can't real name. hi, james. h . so, you can't talk about the particular case, but you can tell us about the

particular issue in general? 50. i particular issue in general? so, i am one of— particular issue in general? so, i am one of these _ particular issue in general? so, i am one of these officers - particular issue in general? so, i am one of these officers that - particular issue in general? so, i am one of these officers that are currently on restricted duties, it is an ongoing misconduct complaint that hasn't been resolved. we found out about it in april this year, so i have been on restrictions since then. i've currently been signed off with stress from work as well now, so currently not in the office. the biggest problem i think with the met, i am a serving met officer, is that no—one locally, sergeants and inspectors, want to put their name to something and sort it out. they just want to keep passing it up the chain of command because no—one wants to make a decision anymore. whereas back in the day, if you did something wrong or there was a problem you would to your sergeant and he would give you words of advice, oryour and he would give you words of advice, or your inspector, you would get a telling off or you would get some type of learning from your mistakes. but that doesn't seem to

happen any more. and they don't want to do that and theyjust pass it up as far as can go in relation to the iopc, which our one went to, they looked at it and reviewed it and said actually this is not an iopc matter, and it came back down, and if local sergeants and inspectors actually made a decision we would have a lot more officers out on the street. ., ~ , ., ., , street. talked us through what being on restricted — street. talked us through what being on restricted duties _ street. talked us through what being on restricted duties means, - street. talked us through what being on restricted duties means, how - street. talked us through what being | on restricted duties means, how does it work and what did that look like before you got signed off sick? obviously we can't talk about the case, but i would infer that you feel hard done—by, and another point to address would be, feel hard done—by, and another point to address would he, do you feel that this is being done —— has been done too liberally, because of the need to be seen to be doing something, have you fallen victim to that? ~ ., , ., ., that? well, i was one of the officers that _ that? well, i was one of the officers that was _ that? well, i was one of the officers that was doing - that? well, i was one of the officers that was doing with | that? well, i was one of the - officers that was doing with 999 calls, i was a response officer on a

response team and we would go out to 999 is, i am a qualified response driver. and when you've done that for 60 years and you get told actually you are now working in an office it is quite hard. put on a lot of weight because i wasn't going out dealing with day—to—day stuff, wasn't being reactive, just literally coming in, sitting behind a desk, sitting behind a computer and just doing stuff that i didn't really want to do, and i found and just doing stuff that i didn't really want to do, and ifound it very hard to come in every day to motivate myself. and it was so repetitive just doing the same thing all the time. and it took its toll. it has taken its toll on me. i have now been signed off with stress, which, after 16 years, i never ever thought would happen. and it is a sad day, and unless the met start looking at... sorry. h0. sad day, and unless the met start looking at... sorry.— looking at... sorry. no, we are listening- _

looking at... sorry. no, we are listening. unless _ looking at... sorry. no, we are listening. unless the _ looking at... sorry. no, we are listening. unless the met - looking at... sorry. no, we are listening. unless the met start| listening. unless the met start lookin: at listening. unless the met start looking at these _ listening. unless the met start looking at these good - listening. unless the met start looking at these good officers, listening. unless the met start - looking at these good officers, yes, there are some wrong officers in the force, there are some wrong offices in every force, but there is a lack of common sense, there is a lack of leadership, lower down, not higher up, lower down, in the lower ranks, the sergeants, inspectors, chief inspectors that can make these decisions. . ., , inspectors that can make these decisions. , ., ~ ~ decisions. so, there is a knee-'erk ou feel decisions. so, there is a knee-'erk you feel at — decisions. so, there is a knee-'erk you feel at the fi decisions. so, there is a knee-'erk you feel at the moment i decisions. so, there is a knee-jerk you feel at the moment because i decisions. so, there is a knee-jerk i you feel at the moment because they are on the back foot? yeah. and i notice once the casey report was done, literally that we've a lot of officers were put on restrictions, a lot of officers were served papers. read 17s, red 30s, in relation to the casey report. because at that point no—one wanted to make a decision. the sergeants and the chief inspectors were, like, yeah, i am not putting my name to this, put it higher up, let someone else make the decision. fiend

it higher up, let someone else make the decision-— the decision. and you've got this loomin: the decision. and you've got this looming thing. — the decision. and you've got this looming thing, haven't _ the decision. and you've got this looming thing, haven't you? - the decision. and you've got this looming thing, haven't you? so l the decision. and you've got this i looming thing, haven't you? so how are you feeling right now? imisti. looming thing, haven't you? so how are you feeling right now?— are you feeling right now? well, i have literally _ are you feeling right now? well, i have literally just _ are you feeling right now? well, i have literally just come _ are you feeling right now? well, i have literally just come back - are you feeling right now? well, i j have literally just come back from have literallyjust come back from my doctors, i've got counselling now, they are going to put some counselling sessions in with me. i have been off in the last 16 years basically i have been off once when my appendix ruptured at work, so i don't take any time off work, i love thisjob, i love serving this community, i love attending jobs and helping people and arresting the bad guys, orwomen. and it's helping people and arresting the bad guys, or women. and it's very sad. it is a very sad state of affairs that good officers are put into these positions and forced to do stuff that they don't really want to do without even being given any training as well, may i add. some extraordinary _ training as well, may i add. some extraordinary calls _ training as well, may i add. some extraordinary calls today. - training as well, may i add. some extraordinary calls today. sir - training as well, may i add. somel extraordinary calls today. sir fahy, former commander, greater manchester police, listening intently, i know

you will have been doing that. what a call from james, we hear this headline today the met says more than 1000 officers currently suspended or on restricted duties, and everyone thinks, it is wayne couzens and all that that is a story from under the headline is, isn't it, peter? ., from under the headline is, isn't it. peter?— from under the headline is, isn't it, peter? ., ., , , , it, peter? yeah, absolutely, very owerful it, peter? yeah, absolutely, very powerful because _ it, peter? yeah, absolutely, very powerful because that _ it, peter? yeah, absolutely, very powerful because that you - it, peter? yeah, absolutely, very powerful because that you have l it, peter? yeah, absolutely, very i powerful because that you have had, i thinkjames absolutely showed the huge stress that it causes officers when they are under investigation. i myself know of two, these were actually senior police officers, who took their own lives, and the fact they were under investigation or had complaints made against them, were factors in that. so there is a huge issue about the mental health process. i thinkjames also shows that the system is very legalistic. i absolutely recognise what he says there about sergeants and inspectors, because they themselves

are worried that they might be alleged to have covered something up, that that that they then push it up up, that that that they then push it up the line, it becomes more formal, it becomes a formal investigation, then the federation gets involved, solicitors get involved, and it takes a huge amount of time, and some of that is because police force should be a modern organisation but it actually works with some very outdated processes which are almost quasi military. ithink outdated processes which are almost quasi military. i think as you said, dave, one of the first callers, serving officer, absolutely summed up serving officer, absolutely summed up the pressure of police work. it is notjust what up the pressure of police work. it is not just what you up the pressure of police work. it is notjust what you might up the pressure of police work. it is not just what you might think up the pressure of police work. it is notjust what you might think of, the grisly scenes, it is about, you see the very worst of human nature, you see people who are at the very depths in terms of addiction, in terms of mental health, children in desperate situations, absolutely as he expressed, people who supposedly love one another stabbing each other, the very worst of society, and again if you're not well balanced, if you've not had life experience, the trouble is, that can

then translate into very poisonous narratives, to try and explain that, and sometimes officers losing their temper and lashing out, and therefore when you look at this figure of 1000 officers, there is a lot of complexity in that. yes, there are some examples of dreadful misconduct but then there are other officers who have done things in the heat of the moment and therefore trying to work out what should happen here, should some allowance be made, what would be the right punishment, should they leave the job? you often have suspicions against officers, you think they may be involved in things they shouldn't have done, and again, trying to investigate that, to prove that. because the other thing is police officers and the whole police process is under employment law, so police chiefs can'tjust sack officers. police chiefs can't 'ust sack officers. ., ., ., officers. peter, i want to get a text in, thank _ officers. peter, i want to get a text in, thank you _ officers. peter, i want to get a text in, thank you for - officers. peter, i want to get a text in, thank you for your - officers. peter, i want to get a - text in, thank you for your insight, which is white on what you have been saying. it is time to say goodbye to viewers on bbc news and bbc two. i

will be back on thursday, tomorrow i am in birmingham for a special 5 live programme about what it is like to be a teenager in 2023. very quickly, i am an officer and the problem is now with some of these new cops and they think they are something just because of the uniform, they don't want to do a good service for the community. sir peter, sorry i had to cut you off slightly. thank you all for getting in touch. live from london. this is bbc news. youtube puts a block on russell brand making any money on content he posts on the platform, after accusations of rape, sexual assault and emotional abuse were made against the comedian — all of which he denies. hundreds of protesters rally in libya's disaster—hit derna, accusing the authorities of neglect, after a huge flash flood devastated the city and swept thousands to their deaths. thousands of nhs consultants across england are on strike

in a long—running row about pay. the walk—out will last for two days, withjunior doctos joining them tomorrow. the number of schools in england where unsafe raac concrete has been found rises from 147 to 174. world leaders are in new york this week for the united nations' general assembly. president biden will address the assembly later today, but there are notable absences from the uk, france, russia and china. hello and welcome. youtube has announced that russell brand will not be able to make money from his videos on the platform — while he faces allegations of rape, sexual assault and emotional abuse. it said he had broken the platform's "creator responsibility policy". mr brand has denied all the accusations. for more on that, our correspondent vincent mcaviney.