politics, is it that or is it a to politics, is it that or is it a new approach to u—turns? tell us what you think. he says, delaying the ban on petrol and diesel cars, and also weakening measures on gas boilers, he says, will spare the public from the unacceptable costs of net zero. and he said those who will continue with the plans as they were he described as ideologues, basically, he then said it is important to have a national conversation. that is where you come in! get in touch! an honest conversation, we are always up for that! right now here

is the news. the prime minister has told the bbc he's absolutely not slowing down efforts to combat climate change. rishi sunak says he knew his announcement — that he was pushing back the date for some green policies wouldn't please everyone — but he's confident it's the right way forward. but the greens co—leader carla denyer has called the changes a "danergous and desperate ploy". the bank of england could raise interest rates for the 15th time in a row later. they could increase to 5.5% which would be the highest level since 2008. health and social care workers in northern ireland have begun a 48—hour strike as part of a pay dispute. some nurses, ambulance and hospital support staff have walked out. health and social care staff in the country remain the lowest paid in the uk. in england junior doctors are striking for a second day in an ongoing dispute about pay and conditions. data from ucas shows the number of 18—year—olds accepted into universities has fallen.

it's the first time in five years admissions have dropped. let's have that conversation. joining liverpool, how are you doing? good, good. good to have you on board. your reaction to the change in policy, elizabeth? if! on board. your reaction to the change in policy, elizabeth? ifi am auoin to change in policy, elizabeth? ifi am going to be — change in policy, elizabeth? ifi am going to be completely _ change in policy, elizabeth? ifi am going to be completely honest, - change in policy, elizabeth? ifi am going to be completely honest, orl going to be completely honest, or comments about having a proper democratic debate and the honest politics, that sounds great, ijust feel like it is kind of cloaking a slowing down in the carbon promise, and it is scary, it is actually quite terrifying, because, i mean,

the speech was brilliant, it was very clever, but underneath it all, we're potentially going back on our promises, and we are not going to be proceeding with force into the future of our species, essentially. p says we can pay less, we can go slower and we can still get to net zero by 2050. he has been explicit about that?— zero by 2050. he has been explicit about that? . , ., ., about that? yeah, i understand that, but when you — about that? yeah, i understand that, but when you look _ about that? yeah, i understand that, but when you look out _ about that? yeah, i understand that, but when you look out of _ about that? yeah, i understand that, but when you look out of the - about that? yeah, i understand that, but when you look out of the window| but when you look out of the window today, it's a beautiful day, i can't see any flooding, i can't see any forest fires, but that is not the same all over the world. so he thinks we can slow down but we are not the ones on the frontline of climate change.— not the ones on the frontline of climate change. sean in liverpool, what do you _ climate change. sean in liverpool, what do you think? _ climate change. sean in liverpool, what do you think? i _ climate change. sean in liverpool, what do you think? i think- climate change. sean in liverpool, what do you think? i think it's - climate change. sean in liverpool, what do you think? i think it's the | what do you think? i think it's the best thing he _ what do you think? i think it's the best thing he could _ what do you think? i think it's the best thing he could have - what do you think? i think it's the best thing he could have done. i i best thing he could have done. i think_ best thing he could have done. i think anybody who thinks that they caniumu _ think anybody who thinks that they canjump in theirvehicle think anybody who thinks that they canjump in their vehicle and go for the day— canjump in their vehicle and go for the dawn— canjump in their vehicle and go for the day or for the weekend without havingm _ the day or for the weekend without having... 0n the back seat, is deluded, _ having... 0n the back seat, is deluded, to— having... 0n the back seat, is deluded, to be honest. i couldn't do myiob _

deluded, to be honest. i couldn't do myiob in _ deluded, to be honest. i couldn't do myiob in an— deluded, to be honest. i couldn't do myjob in an electric vehicle, most people _ myjob in an electric vehicle, most people can't. it'sjust impossible and it_ people can't. it'sjust impossible and it is— people can't. it'sjust impossible and it is the best thing he could have _ and it is the best thing he could have done, in fact he should have gone _ have done, in fact he should have gone one — have done, in fact he should have gone one step further, we were basically— gone one step further, we were basically going to install all the points— basically going to install all the points in— basically going to install all the points in the five—year wait, and maybe _ points in the five—year wait, and maybe he — points in the five—year wait, and maybe he should say that by 2035 we should _ maybe he should say that by 2035 we should do _ maybe he should say that by 2035 we should do a _ maybe he should say that by 2035 we should do a minimum of everything has to— should do a minimum of everything has to be _ should do a minimum of everything has to be hybrid. why should do a minimum of everything has to be hybrid.— has to be hybrid. why couldn't you do our has to be hybrid. why couldn't you do youriob? _ has to be hybrid. why couldn't you do yourjob? impossible. - has to be hybrid. why couldn't you do yourjob? impossible. you - has to be hybrid. why couldn't you do yourjob? impossible. you go l has to be hybrid. why couldn't you - do yourjob? impossible. you go down do your “ob? impossible. you go down the do yourjob? impossible. you go down the motorway — do yourjob? impossible. you go down the motorway and _ do yourjob? impossible. you go down the motorway and you _ do yourjob? impossible. you go down the motorway and you just _ do yourjob? impossible. you go down the motorway and you just can't. .. - the motorway and you just can't... where _ the motorway and you just can't... where do — the motorway and you just can't... where do you stop? at the end of the day, you've _ where do you stop? at the end of the day, you've got to have about four or five _ day, you've got to have about four or five different apps on your phone, — or five different apps on your phone, you've got to have all sorts of details _ phone, you've got to have all sorts of details of — phone, you've got to have all sorts of details of where you should charge, — of details of where you should charge, when you get there it is already— charge, when you get there it is already full with everybody sat around — already full with everybody sat around waiting, i could not do a just—in—time delivery service, it's impossible — just—in—time delivery service, it's impossible. is just-in-time delivery service, it's impossible-— impossible. is of course talking about delaying _ impossible. is of course talking about delaying the _ impossible. is of course talking about delaying the ban - impossible. is of course talking about delaying the ban on - impossible. is of course talking about delaying the ban on the i impossible. is of course talking i about delaying the ban on the sale of new petrol and diesel cars in the uk from 2030 to 2035, elizabeth, you wanted to come back? i uk from 2030 to 2035, elizabeth, you wanted to come back?— wanted to come back? i completely auree, wanted to come back? i completely arree, the wanted to come back? i completely agree, the thought _ wanted to come back? i completely

agree, the thought of, _ wanted to come back? i completely agree, the thought of, you - wanted to come back? i completely agree, the thought of, you put - wanted to come back? i completelyj agree, the thought of, you put your time travel into a satnav, i won't say a brand time travel into a satnav, i won't saya brand name, and it time travel into a satnav, i won't say a brand name, and it says it is going to take two hours and in an electric vehicle you could be waiting two hours to charge it. i think what's really interesting is the way that the speech basically put the burden on the individual, so, we're sitting here having a really reasonable conversation about how inconvenient electric vehicles are to a lot of tradespeople and just a lot of people in general trying to get around the country, but actually, it's not the average person who should be responsible for that slow transition, it's these things like fossil fuels industries and not making new deals on fossil fuels, and the cost of living, it's all because of fossil fuels manipulating the market prices. so, we are being putting these burdens on the individual but actually, it's the big picture that is the issue and i think that is why his speech was so clever because it made us

feel empowered, but actually... yeah, choice, absolutely, you can't drag people into this, you have to take them along with you, and he's talking about consensus, and he has got a point, surely. the other thing is, a nine year delay in the ban on new they're fuel heating for off gas grid homes to 2035 giving households far more time to transition from gas boilers to heat pumps. let's welcome baronessjennyjones boilers to heat pumps. let's welcome baroness jenny jones from boilers to heat pumps. let's welcome baroness jennyjones from the boilers to heat pumps. let's welcome baronessjennyjones from the green baroness jennyjones from the green party. baronessjennyjones from the green party. good morning. first off, peter lilley, lord lilley, former cabinet minister, member of the tory net zero scrutiny group of peter, if i may, what is your reaction to this? ~ ., ., , this? well, i thought it was welcome. _ this? well, i thought it was welcome, sensible, - this? well, i thought it was i welcome, sensible, measured this? well, i thought it was - welcome, sensible, measured and realistic. i am a scientist by training, i have got the basic science of global warming is rock solid but what is built on that as

scaremongering is not solid. if you actually read the evidence of the ipcc, the un body which looks at all the science, you will find there is not a single study which suggests that if we do nothing, we shouldn't do nothing, but if the world does nothing, it still won't lead to the extinction of the human race, it will lead to disruption of some things but it is not the end of things. it is a comparatively modest warming will happen, which i would rather didn't happen, which on rishi sunak�*s schedule, if the rest of the world follows us, which of course it won't, won't happen. but the idea that it's not about science, it's all about virtue signalling, has taken over, people don't read the science, they don't read the evidence. i said tojennyjones who is coming on shortly, i sent her a copy of the charter in the ipcc which shows which things are happening and which bad things aren't. elizabeth mentioned, she is aren't. elizabeth mentioned, she is a very sensible person, about

wildfires, look on the site with the north american space agency, nasa, has a satellite monitoring fires around the world for the last 20 years, and they say the average area burnt each year has declined by 25% over that period, and that on anyone average day in august there are 10,000 fires burning across the world. we hear when they approach a tourist site or somewhere glamorous like honolulu, but they are a normal part of things. you can't say from one fire that things are getting worse. 0vertime, one fire that things are getting worse. over time, things are actually getting less bad. there is actually getting less bad. there is a lot of stuff _ actually getting less bad. there is a lot of stuff in _ actually getting less bad. there is a lot of stuff in here, _ actually getting less bad. there is a lot of stuff in here, peter i a lot of stuff in here, peter lilley, i mean, there are a couple of things to throw out, to highlight, get the old highlighter on, which is the fact that you use the phrase virtue signalling, and also you say, and i will put this to john grant and baronessjones in a second, you say we are hoping the rest of the world will follow, and

you said of course they won't. john grant, good morning to you. senior lecturer in climate change resilience at sheffield hallam university, how are you doing? did you hear lord peter lilley setting out the stuff, we are not heading for catastrophe, we are not heading for catastrophe, we are not heading for cataclysms? i for catastrophe, we are not heading for cataclysms?— for cataclysms? i mean, it gets to a sort of challenging _ for cataclysms? i mean, it gets to a sort of challenging when _ for cataclysms? i mean, it gets to a sort of challenging when you - for cataclysms? i mean, it gets to a sort of challenging when you start l sort of challenging when you start looking at scientific papers and such like. yeah, we are getting better at risk management so we are not losing as many people to climate events as we have in the past, that is something to celebrate, it does not mean we are having less extreme weather events. and this is a non—linear relationship. so, when we'd tick this, the changes will be rapid and they will be unstoppable, and that is why those of us who want to play it safe and take advantage of the economic opportunities that exist around this, and being a leader in this gives you those chances, ratherthan

leader in this gives you those chances, rather than buying stuff from elsewhere, as they innovate and then sell it to the world. and a little country like ourselves, we could be that opportunity to replicate and take advantage of that. ~ , , ., replicate and take advantage of that. , , ., ., replicate and take advantage of that. ~ , , ., ., , that. why should a little country like ourselves, _ that. why should a little country like ourselves, as _ that. why should a little country like ourselves, as rishi - that. why should a little country like ourselves, as rishi sunak i that. why should a little country like ourselves, as rishi sunak isj like ourselves, as rishi sunak is putting it, impose these costs, he used the figures £5,000, £10,000, £15,000, on people who are struggling so much with the cost of living crisis while china just carries on regardless, india carries on regardless and our emissions are a tiny percentage, a minuscule amount of the problem? to a tiny percentage, a minuscule amount of the problem? to pick that a art would amount of the problem? to pick that apart would take _ amount of the problem? to pick that apart would take quite _ amount of the problem? to pick that apart would take quite a _ amount of the problem? to pick that apart would take quite a long - amount of the problem? to pick that apart would take quite a long time. i apart would take quite a long time. firstly, being in a playground and saying one kid is worse than me, so you should forgive me my is ridiculous, right? ten times murder rate to the uk, should we not say that murder is illegal until we are

as bad as colombia for the murder rate? no, that is ridiculous. 0n the second point, you know, why should we punish the working people to upgrade their homes? absolutely critical question. and we don't have to. right? the improvement of people's homes is an investment, and this government seems to be just blind to the idea of supporting people in improving their homes and then clawing back the profit from them improving their homes. the best they came with was giving 400 quid to everybody so that they could give that to an energy company. that is ridiculous. how about we improve our homes so that we don't spend that money? and that is a good investment. this government claims to be the government of fiscal sanity, and they're missing out on a huge opportunity for profit. you know? itjust seems, well, until you pull it apart and see where the big

companies are. i pull it apart and see where the big companies are.— companies are. i will let peter lilley come — companies are. i will let peter lilley come back _ companies are. i will let peter lilley come back on _ companies are. i will let peter lilley come back on this. i companies are. i will let peter| lilley come back on this. peter lilley come back on this. peter lilley come back on this. peter lilley come back on what you heard me from the scientist? just. lilley come back on what you heard me from the scientist?— me from the scientist? just, fellow scientist, ignored _ me from the scientist? just, fellow scientist, ignored the _ me from the scientist? just, fellow scientist, ignored the actual- scientist, ignored the actual science and didn't respond to what i said about nasa satellite evidence, i will quote table 12.2 in working group1 i will quote table 12.2 in working group 1 of the scientific group, chose what things are happening and what things they expect to happen. the world is getting warmer, it is expected to go on getting warmer, there will be more heatwaves. that is absolutely central. more storms? no. more severe storms of? no. wazarino. worst floods? no. so, a lot of what we hear is things that happen anyway and are not a direct effect of climate change. let's stop global warming if we can, but the idea that it is the same as stopping

murder — murder affects us and of course we want to reduce murders in this country as much as possible, but we don't do it to set an example to the world. we don't care if people follow us, we try to stop it for ourselves. but this will affect us in terms of mass migration, for example... us in terms of mass migration, for example- - -— example... not a blind bit of difference. _ example... not a blind bit of difference, john _ example... not a blind bit of difference, john grant? i i example... not a blind bit of difference, john grant? i am| example... not a blind bit of - difference, john grant? i am unsure of what he is _ difference, john grant? i am unsure of what he is saying. _ difference, john grant? i am unsure of what he is saying. firstly, - difference, john grant? i am unsure of what he is saying. firstly, we i of what he is saying. firstly, we are seeing — of what he is saying. firstly, we are seeing higher intensity storms, obviously. — are seeing higher intensity storms, obviously, the ipcc is a back casting. _ obviously, the ipcc is a back casting, again, you don't want this to be _ casting, again, you don't want this to be a _ casting, again, you don't want this to be a science programme but they are looking — to be a science programme but they are looking at papers that are quite old, because they have to be peer—reviewed and solid and everything, so, the current attribute _ everything, so, the current attribute is clear, that the events that are — attribute is clear, that the events that are happening are double, up to

50 times _ that are happening are double, up to 50 times more likely because of climate — 50 times more likely because of climate change. and that is what you need to _ climate change. and that is what you need to be _ climate change. and that is what you need to be paying attention to, rather— need to be paying attention to, rather than cherry picking out of some _ rather than cherry picking out of some stuff that is 5—8 years old. let's _ some stuff that is 5—8 years old. let's take — some stuff that is 5—8 years old. let's take it to boilers, to electric cars, petrol cars, let's take it back to shaun who wanted to come in. g , ., ., ., ,, ., come in. just wanted to address what those two gentlemen _ come in. just wanted to address what those two gentlemen were _ come in. just wanted to address what those two gentlemen were just i those two gentlemen were just saying — those two gentlemen were just saying it— those two gentlemen were just saying. if anybody— those two gentlemen were just saying. if anybody listens - those two gentlemen were just i saying. if anybody listens carefully to what _ saying. if anybody listens carefully to what is — saying. if anybody listens carefully to what is broadcast _ saying. if anybody listens carefully to what is broadcast by— saying. if anybody listens carefully to what is broadcast by the - saying. if anybody listens carefully to what is broadcast by the news. saying. if anybody listens carefully i to what is broadcast by the news and what people — to what is broadcast by the news and what people say, _ to what is broadcast by the news and what people say. it _ to what is broadcast by the news and what people say, it is _ to what is broadcast by the news and what people say, it is simple - to what is broadcast by the news and what people say, it is simple to- what people say, it is simple to work— what people say, it is simple to work out — what people say, it is simple to work out what's _ what people say, it is simple to work out what's going - what people say, it is simple to work out what's going on. i what people say, it is simple to work out what's going on. they| what people say, it is simple to. work out what's going on. they did what people say, it is simple to- work out what's going on. they did a broadcast _ work out what's going on. they did a broadcast about— work out what's going on. they did a broadcast about the _ work out what's going on. they did a broadcast about the hottest - work out what's going on. they did a broadcast about the hottest day- work out what's going on. they did a j broadcast about the hottest day ever in california — broadcast about the hottest day ever in california this _ broadcast about the hottest day ever in california this summer... - broadcast about the hottest day ever in california this summer... you i in california this summer... you know what? _ in california this summer... you know what? the _ in california this summer... you know what? the last _ in california this summer... you know what? the last time i in california this summer... you know what? the last time it i in california this summer... you j know what? the last time it was in california this summer... you i know what? the last time it was this hot it was 1923 _ know what? the last time it was this hot it was 1923 courteney _ know what? the last time it was this hot it was 1923 courteney shaun, i l hot it was 1923 courteney shaun, i don't _ hot it was 1923 courteney shaun, i don't want — hot it was 1923 courteney shaun, i don't want to _ hot it was 1923 courteney shaun, i don't want to discuss _ hot it was 1923 courteney shaun, i don't want to discuss this - don't want to discuss this particular— don't want to discuss this particular debate, - don't want to discuss this particular debate, the i don't want to discuss this i particular debate, the science don't want to discuss this - particular debate, the science is clear. _ particular debate, the science is clear. peter— particular debate, the science is clear, peter lilley— particular debate, the science isj clear, peter lilley acknowledges that, _ clear, peter lilley acknowledges that, he — clear, peter lilley acknowledges that, he is — clear, peter lilley acknowledges that, he is a _ clear, peter lilley acknowledges that, he is a scientist— clear, peter lilley acknowledges that, he is a scientist himself, l clear, peter lilley acknowledges l that, he is a scientist himself, but he is _ that, he is a scientist himself, but he is talking — that, he is a scientist himself, but he is talking about _ that, he is a scientist himself, but he is talking about the _ that, he is a scientist himself, but he is talking about the severity i that, he is a scientist himself, but he is talking about the severity of| he is talking about the severity of it. he is talking about the severity of it so _ he is talking about the severity of it so i _ he is talking about the severity of it so i want — he is talking about the severity of it so i want to— he is talking about the severity of it. so i want to get— he is talking about the severity of it. so i want to get away- he is talking about the severity of it. so i want to get away from i he is talking about the severity of i it. so i want to get away from that, i want _ it. so i want to get away from that, i want to— it. so i want to get away from that, i want to talk— it. so i want to get away from that, i want to talk about _ it. so i want to get away from that,

i want to talk about our _ it. so i want to get away from that, i want to talk about our homes. i it. so i want to get away from that, j i want to talk about our homes. our houses, i want to talk about our homes. our houses. our — i want to talk about our homes. our houses, our cars. _ i want to talk about our homes. our houses, our cars. let's _ i want to talk about our homes. our houses, our cars. let's talk - houses, our cars. let's talk about electric vehicles, _ houses, our cars. let's talk about electric vehicles, you _ houses, our cars. let's talk about electric vehicles, you plug - houses, our cars. let's talk about electric vehicles, you plug it i houses, our cars. let's talk about electric vehicles, you plug it in i houses, our cars. let's talk about electric vehicles, you plug it in at| electric vehicles, you plug it in at your— electric vehicles, you plug it in at your home, — electric vehicles, you plug it in at your home, where _ electric vehicles, you plug it in at your home, where does - electric vehicles, you plug it in at your home, where does that i your home, where does that electricity— your home, where does that electricity come _ your home, where does that electricity come from, - your home, where does that. electricity come from, nicky? your home, where does that - electricity come from, nicky? where does the _ electricity come from, nicky? where does the electricity— electricity come from, nicky? where does the electricity come _ electricity come from, nicky? where does the electricity come from? i electricity come from, nicky? wherej does the electricity come from? who is producing — does the electricity come from? who is producing the _ does the electricity come from? who is producing the electricity— does the electricity come from? who is producing the electricity and - is producing the electricity and how? — is producing the electricity and how? do— is producing the electricity and how? , ., is producing the electricity and how? ,, . is producing the electricity and how? . g , is producing the electricity and how? ., . ,., how? do you want jenny jones to answer that — how? do you want jenny jones to answer that question? _ how? do you want jenny jones to answer that question? baroness | how? do you want jenny jones to i answer that question? baroness jenny answer that question? baronessjenny jones, where is the electricity going to come from? hopefully if we had a government _ going to come from? hopefully if we had a government that _ going to come from? hopefully if we had a government that understood l had a government that understood climate change it would come from renewable sources, which are incredibly cheap than the current system of oil and gas and there has been so much discussion here and i really don't know what to take first. landry, you said you've got to take people with you... riahi to take people with you... rishi sunak said _ to take people with you... rishi sunak said that. _ to take people with you... rishi sunak said that. well, - to take people with you... rishi sunak said that. well, it - to take people with you... rishi sunak said that. well, it is i to take people with you... rishi sunak said that. well, it is a i sunak said that. well, it is a very sensible thing _ sunak said that. well, it is a very sensible thing to _ sunak said that. well, it is a very sensible thing to see, _ sunak said that. well, it is a very sensible thing to see, but - sunak said that. well, it is a very sensible thing to see, but it i sunak said that. well, it is a very sensible thing to see, but it is i sunak said that. well, it is a very | sensible thing to see, but it is the government'sjob to sensible thing to see, but it is the government's job to actually make it easy for people, and what this covenant is doing is actually making it harder. the treasury's net zero

review said the costs of global inaction significantly outweigh the costs of inaction. and that is absolutely true for every single country in the world. and in fact china and india are doing things, so stop all this what about array. he said china's emissions in his speech have increased by 900% since... sorry, 300% since 1990?- have increased by 900% since... sorry, 300% since 1990? they are still pushing _ sorry, 300% since 1990? they are still pushing forward _ sorry, 300% since 1990? they are still pushing forward with - sorry, 300% since 1990? they are still pushing forward with a - sorry, 300% since 1990? they are still pushing forward with a huge l still pushing forward with a huge project to try to decrease those emissions. but let's leave what they are doing and see what we are doing, and we are actually not going forward on all the things that would actually make life better for people. as i said it is the government'sjob to make it people. as i said it is the government's job to make it easier and they certainly aren't. peter lilley and i do have quite civilised discussions about this, but what he has just been talking about is just nonsense. he is picking and choosing these little facts from all over the place and he does his homework, but he's absolutely wrong. i would agree

with shaun in that we need more charging points for eva. thejoke is that although the government has pushed back the deadline, apparently ministers contacted the industry, the car industry, and told them that they had to keep up their tv targets orface fines. so i don't know quite what that is about. and i agree with elizabeth that it is scary, that if we don't have a government that understands climate change, we can't insulate people's houses far enough, we can't prevent them having all sorts of health issues, we can't give them cheaper electricity from renewable sources. so basically, rishi sunak�*s speech, it was well delivered, it was a disaster for our economy. delivered, it was a disaster for our econom . , ., ., , ., , economy. lets hear a bit of rishi sunak now. _ economy. lets hear a bit of rishi sunak now, he _ economy. lets hear a bit of rishi sunak now, he has _ economy. lets hear a bit of rishi sunak now, he has been - economy. lets hear a bit of rishi l sunak now, he has been defending economy. lets hear a bit of rishi i sunak now, he has been defending his announcement. we were come to rebecca soon and keep as well and paul. thank you for getting in touch, so many people, it's so important, and here is the prime

minister talking about it this morning on radio 4.- minister talking about it this morning on radio 4. here are the facts, morning on radio 4. here are the facts. because — morning on radio 4. here are the facts, because lots _ morning on radio 4. here are the facts, because lots of _ morning on radio 4. here are the facts, because lots of people - morning on radio 4. here are the| facts, because lots of people want to deal— facts, because lots of people want to deal with emotion in this debate. we have _ to deal with emotion in this debate. we have de — to deal with emotion in this debate. we have de i think faster than any other_ we have de i think faster than any other major economy that far. because — other major economy that far. because the coal mines have closed? no, because of lots of different things. — no, because of lots of different things, we've developed offshore wind, _ things, we've developed offshore wind, and that is a good thing that we have _ wind, and that is a good thing that we have got coal out of our power system, _ we have got coal out of our power system, it — we have got coal out of our power system, it is— we have got coal out of our power system, it is not a bad thing, we have _ system, it is not a bad thing, we have done — system, it is not a bad thing, we have done it _ system, it is not a bad thing, we have done it faster than lots of 0ther— have done it faster than lots of other countries. 2030 everyone has had to— other countries. 2030 everyone has had to set— other countries. 2030 everyone has had to set a — other countries. 2030 everyone has had to set a target, we have committed to reducing our emissions by 68%. _ committed to reducing our emissions by 68%. we _ committed to reducing our emissions by 68%, we remain absolutely committed to that target. here are some _ committed to that target. here are some of— committed to that target. here are some of the other targets of other countries — some of the other targets of other countries. the eu, 55%, australia, 45%. _ countries. the eu, 55%, australia, 45%, america 40%, canada, 20%, new zealand. _ 45%, america 40%, canada, 20%, new zealand. 18%, _ 45%, america 40%, canada, 20%, new zealand, 18%, so if people want to talk about — zealand, 18%, so if people want to talk about global leadership those are the _ talk about global leadership those are the facts that they should be dealing — are the facts that they should be dealing with. are the facts that they should be dealing with-— dealing with. four telford and rebecca in — dealing with. four telford and rebecca in shropshire. - dealing with. four telford and rebecca in shropshire. let - dealing with. four telford and| rebecca in shropshire. let me dealing with. four telford and - rebecca in shropshire. let me give you a couple of... good morning both of you. great to hear your voices...

a couple of texts from craig oliver of politico, a former high—ranking adviser in the conservative party, said, and this follows on from the interview on radio 4 there, said... the prime minister could not have been clearer in his interview with nick robinson, p is daring keir starmer to disagree with him on slowing the net zero timetable, whatever the rights and wrongs, he has given uk labour a big headache. there is a little bit of politics. and here is a little bit of lord goldsmith, who was a former minister with environmental concerns looking after marine areas and also overseeing forests, deforestation across the world. zac goldsmith said this is cynical beyond belief. the pm is pretending to halt frightening proposals that simply don't exist, he is doing it to turn the environment into a us style political wedge issue, something the

uk has avoided all my political life, he is chucking the environment into a political fire life, he is chucking the environment into a politicalfire purely life, he is chucking the environment into a political fire purely to score points, it is reprehensible. other people are pointing out that in the telegraph this morning perhaps lord goldsmith can afford to get a brand—new tesla. what do you want to say, rebecca? m get a brand-new tesla. what do you want to say, rebecca?— want to say, rebecca? i think it is an incredibly _ want to say, rebecca? i think it is an incredibly depressing - want to say, rebecca? i think it is an incredibly depressing u-turn . want to say, rebecca? i think it is| an incredibly depressing u-turn on an incredibly depressing u—turn on the part of the government. i bought a second—hand electric car five years ago, that is when i started with electric cars, and i have done about 110,000 electric miles now in that time. when cars have improved, i have now switched to a car that has got a much longer range and ditched the diesel completely. the chap saying he couldn't possibly work with an electric vehicle, but we did a journey back, dover to shropshire this year, absolutely zero issue, for example in banbury there is now an installation with 32

charging points, i have been there and there were three cars plugged in. the network is so much better thanit in. the network is so much better than it was. also we have moved to outsource heating from oil and that is a game changer in terms of i am not having to track the oil prices and worry about when to buy, try to get it right. and worry about when to buy, try to get it right-— get it right. how much did it cost? we took advantage _ get it right. how much did it cost? we took advantage of _ get it right. how much did it cost? we took advantage of the - get it right. how much did it cost? | we took advantage of the £5,000, which is now about £7,500, i borrowed the money, it would have been 16,000 without the ground, it was 11,000. towards the future and i thought it was better to invest in the property we live in, and when i moved i will be looking for a property that has had similar investment, because that cost us money and that is money that could have gone on our mortgage but i chose to invest in basically our future and i want to be able to look my children in the eye and say we tried. we have done the same with solar, we put solar in this year to help support the air outsource heating. instead of what i was

spending on diesel, which was about £100 a week, and now i am spending £100 a week, and now i am spending £100 a week, and now i am spending £100 a month over the summer on all of our running of our cars and all of our running of our cars and all of our electricity. obviously over the winter it is going to passmore, but i want people to understand how much easier it is to exit in these improved homes if you can... like i say, we borrowed the money to do it and that was for our children. find and that was for our children. and ou see it and that was for our children. and you see it as _ and that was for our children. and you see it as future _ and that was for our children. and you see it as future proofing, apart from anything else. i do you see it as future proofing, apart from anything else.— you see it as future proofing, apart from anything else. i do stay there, i want to bring _ from anything else. i do stay there, i want to bring in _ from anything else. i do stay there, i want to bring in paul— from anything else. i do stay there, i want to bring in paul who - from anything else. i do stay there, i want to bring in paulwho i- from anything else. i do stay there, i want to bring in paul who i think i i want to bring in paul who i think rather disagrees and also catherine telford. ., ., ~ rather disagrees and also catherine telford. ., ., ,, , ., ,., telford. paul, make your point first. telford. paul, make your point first- good _ telford. paul, make your point first. good morning, _ telford. paul, make your point first. good morning, sir. - telford. paul, make your point first. good morning, sir. good| first. good morning, sir. good morning- _ first. good morning, sir. good morning- i— first. good morning, sir. good morning. i live _ first. good morning, sir. good morning. i live in _ first. good morning, sir. good morning. i live in burnley, - morning. i live in burnley, lancashire, _ morning. i live in burnley, lancashire, england, - morning. i live in burnley, lancashire, england, and| morning. i live in burnley, i lancashire, england, and the morning. i live in burnley, _ lancashire, england, and the current market— lancashire, england, and the current market value — lancashire, england, and the current market value of— lancashire, england, and the current market value of my— lancashire, england, and the current market value of my property, - lancashire, england, and the current market value of my property, two . lancashire, england, and the currenti market value of my property, two up, two down, _ market value of my property, two up, two down, is — market value of my property, two up, two down, is £80,000. _

market value of my property, two up, two down, is £80,000. that - market value of my property, two up, two down, is £80,000. that is - market value of my property, two up, two down, is £80,000. that is 80 . two down, is £80,000. that is 80 thousand — two down, is £80,000. that is 80 thousand pounds. _ two down, is £80,000. that is 80 thousand pounds. i— two down, is £80,000. that is 80 thousand pounds. i spoke - two down, is £80,000. that is 80 thousand pounds. i spoke to - two down, is £80,000. that is 80 thousand pounds. i spoke to a - two down, is £80,000. that is 80 l thousand pounds. i spoke to a friend of mine _ thousand pounds. i spoke to a friend of mine who — thousand pounds. i spoke to a friend of mine who was _ thousand pounds. i spoke to a friend of mine who was a _ thousand pounds. i spoke to a friend of mine who was a heating _ thousand pounds. i spoke to a friend of mine who was a heating engineerl of mine who was a heating engineer and told _ of mine who was a heating engineer and told me — of mine who was a heating engineer and told me the _ of mine who was a heating engineer and told me the cost _ of mine who was a heating engineer and told me the cost of— of mine who was a heating engineer and told me the cost of insulating . and told me the cost of insulating to the _ and told me the cost of insulating to the required _ and told me the cost of insulating to the required standards - and told me the cost of insulating to the required standards for - and told me the cost of insulating to the required standards for the i to the required standards for the new heat— to the required standards for the new heat pump _ to the required standards for the new heat pump and _ to the required standards for the new heat pump and all— to the required standards for the new heat pump and all the - to the required standards for the - new heat pump and all the associated pipework, _ new heat pump and all the associated pipework, would _ new heat pump and all the associated pipework, would cost _ new heat pump and all the associated pipework, would cost around - new heat pump and all the associated i pipework, would cost around £20,000. that is— pipework, would cost around £20,000. that is a _ pipework, would cost around £20,000. that is a quarter— pipework, would cost around £20,000. that is a quarter of _ pipework, would cost around £20,000. that is a quarter of the _ pipework, would cost around £20,000. that is a quarter of the value _ pipework, would cost around £20,000. that is a quarter of the value of- that is a quarter of the value of my property _ that is a quarter of the value of my property. now. _ that is a quarter of the value of my property. now. you _ that is a quarter of the value of my property. now, you transfer- that is a quarter of the value of my property. now, you transfer the . property. now, you transfer the equivalent— property. now, you transfer the equivalent to _ property. now, you transfer the equivalent to london _ property. now, you transfer the equivalent to london and - property. now, you transfer the equivalent to london and then i property. now, you transfer the . equivalent to london and then you start to _ equivalent to london and then you start to ask— equivalent to london and then you start to ask somebody _ equivalent to london and then you start to ask somebody like - equivalent to london and then you start to ask somebody like keir - start to ask somebody like keir starmer— start to ask somebody like keir starmer who— start to ask somebody like keir starmer who lives, _ start to ask somebody like keir starmer who lives, let's - start to ask somebody like keir starmer who lives, let's just i start to ask somebody like keirl starmer who lives, let's just say start to ask somebody like keir - starmer who lives, let's just say he lives _ starmer who lives, let's just say he lives in _ starmer who lives, let's just say he lives in a _ starmer who lives, let's just say he lives in a house _ starmer who lives, let's just say he lives in a house worth _ starmer who lives, let's just say he lives in a house worth £1 _ starmer who lives, let's just say he lives in a house worth £1 million, . lives in a house worth £1 million, it's probably— lives in a house worth £1 million, it's probably more _ lives in a house worth £1 million, it's probably more than - lives in a house worth £1 million, it's probably more than that - lives in a house worth £1 million, it's probably more than that butl it's probably more than that but let'siust — it's probably more than that but let's just say _ it's probably more than that but let'sjust say for— it's probably more than that but let's just say for a _ it's probably more than that but let's just say for a round - it's probably more than that but let's just say for a round figurel it's probably more than that butl let'sjust say for a round figure it is a million. _ let'sjust say for a round figure it is a million, you _ let'sjust say for a round figure it is a million, you imagine - let'sjust say for a round figure it is a million, you imagine a - let's just say for a round figure it i is a million, you imagine a heating engineer— is a million, you imagine a heating engineer finished _ is a million, you imagine a heating engineer finished the _ is a million, you imagine a heating engineer finished the work- is a million, you imagine a heating engineer finished the work at - is a million, you imagine a heatingl engineer finished the work at keir's house _ engineer finished the work at keir's house and — engineer finished the work at keir's house and he — engineer finished the work at keir's house and he says, _ engineer finished the work at keir's house and he says, you _ engineer finished the work at keir's house and he says, you are - engineer finished the work at keir's house and he says, you are a - engineer finished the work at keir's house and he says, you are a man. engineer finished the work at keir's. house and he says, you are a man of the people. — house and he says, you are a man of the people. you _ house and he says, you are a man of the people, you want _ house and he says, you are a man of the people, you want to _ house and he says, you are a man of the people, you want to pay- house and he says, you are a man of the people, you want to pay the - house and he says, you are a man of. the people, you want to pay the same as paul— the people, you want to pay the same as paul in _ the people, you want to pay the same as paul in burnley, _ the people, you want to pay the same as paul in burnley, so— the people, you want to pay the same as paul in burnley, so that _ the people, you want to pay the same as paul in burnley, so that is - the people, you want to pay the same as paul in burnley, so that is going. as paul in burnley, so that is going to cost— as paul in burnley, so that is going to cost you — as paul in burnley, so that is going to cost you a — as paul in burnley, so that is going to cost you a quarter— as paul in burnley, so that is going to cost you a quarter of— as paul in burnley, so that is going to cost you a quarter of £1 - as paul in burnley, so that is going to cost you a quarter of £1 million, | to cost you a quarter of £1 million, would _ to cost you a quarter of £1 million, would that— to cost you a quarter of £1 million, would that be _ to cost you a quarter of £1 million, would that be cash— to cost you a quarter of £1 million, would that be cash or— to cost you a quarter of £1 million, would that be cash or card, - to cost you a quarter of £1 million, would that be cash or card, how. to cost you a quarter of £1 million, | would that be cash or card, how do you think— would that be cash or card, how do you think you — would that be cash or card, how do you think you would _ would that be cash or card, how do you think you would react? - would that be cash or card, how do you think you would react? john i you think you would react? john rant, i you think you would react? john grant. i mean. _ you think you would react? john grant, i mean, four— you think you would react? john grant, i mean, four a _ you think you would react? grant, i mean, foura second, you think you would react?m grant, i mean, foura second, but john grant, senior lecturer in climate change resilience at

university, that is a powerful call from paul? it university, that is a powerful call from paul?— from paul? it really is. and fundamentally, _ from paul? it really is. and fundamentally, i— from paul? it really is. and fundamentally, i am - from paul? it really is. and fundamentally, i am very i from paul? it really is. and - fundamentally, i am very concerned about the knowledge of heating engineers. i was talking to some just the other day at the weekend, and he was absolutely certain about the performance of the latest heat pumps, and he was completely wrong. because they need to be skilled up and that is why we are running new courses for retrofitting homes in our university... courses for retrofitting homes in our university. . ._ courses for retrofitting homes in our university... were those figures balone , our university... were those figures baloney. then? _ our university... were those figures baloney, then? 20,000... - our university... were those figures baloney, then? 20,000... a - our university... were those figures baloney, then? 20,000... a i - our university... were those figures | baloney, then? 20,000... a i would not call them baloney, they were correct, they work it is a quarter of the price of his property? but it is 'ust like of the price of his property? but it is just like when _ of the price of his property? but it isjust like when you _ of the price of his property? but it isjust like when you pick - of the price of his property? but it isjust like when you pick one - of the price of his property? hit it is just like when you pick one out as an individual retrofit, it's going to be very expensive, because each one is a bespoke kind of shift, an improvement. but if they did every house on his street, then what we see is a massive ramping down on those prices, and we can share those

prices, and the latest heat pumps octopus energy is working on a factory which is claiming that they are going to be around £5,000 to £7,500 per unit, so as we push forwards in the scale of this, we will be able to see a lowering of costs and an improvement of skills. it seems that the green lobby seem to see _ it seems that the green lobby seem to see themselves _ it seems that the green lobby seem to see themselves as _ it seems that the green lobby seem to see themselves as being - it seems that the green lobby seem to see themselves as being a - to see themselves as being a movement— to see themselves as being a movement that _ to see themselves as being a movement that is _ to see themselves as being a movement that is trying - to see themselves as being a movement that is trying to l to see themselves as being a . movement that is trying to stop to see themselves as being a - movement that is trying to stop the end of— movement that is trying to stop the end of the _ movement that is trying to stop the end of the world. _ movement that is trying to stop the end of the world. most _ movement that is trying to stop the end of the world. most people - movement that is trying to stop the end of the world. most people that| movement that is trying to stop the | end of the world. most people that i know cant— end of the world. most people that i know can't get — end of the world. most people that i know can't get to _ end of the world. most people that i know can't get to the _ end of the world. most people that i know can't get to the end _ end of the world. most people that i know can't get to the end of- end of the world. most people that i know can't get to the end of the - know can't get to the end of the week _ know can't get to the end of the week. ., ,., , , , know can't get to the end of the week. ., , , , week. no, fuel poverty is my core... that is what — week. no, fuel poverty is my core... that is what i — week. no, fuel poverty is my core... that is what i would _ week. no, fuel poverty is my core... that is what i would like _ week. no, fuel poverty is my core... that is what i would like to - week. no, fuel poverty is my core... that is what i would like to work - that is what i would like to work on, not climate change. don't put me on, not climate change. don't put me on that sort of green zealot kind of idea. i on that sort of green zealot kind of idea. ., ., idea. i will find out in a minute, catherine _ idea. i will find out in a minute, catherine telford, _ idea. i will find out in a minute, catherine telford, did _ idea. i will find out in a minute, catherine telford, did you - idea. i will find out in a minute, | catherine telford, did you watch idea. i will find out in a minute, - catherine telford, did you watch the speech? l catherine telford, did you watch the seech? . , catherine telford, did you watch the seech? ., , , ., ., speech? i have seen parts of it and read more — speech? i have seen parts of it and read more about _ speech? i have seen parts of it and read more about it, _ speech? i have seen parts of it and

read more about it, yes. _ speech? i have seen parts of it and read more about it, yes. was - speech? i have seen parts of it and i read more about it, yes. was talking about the ideologues, _ read more about it, yes. was talking about the ideologues, he _ read more about it, yes. was talking about the ideologues, he was - read more about it, yes. was talking| about the ideologues, he was talking about the ideologues, he was talking about the ideologues, he was talking about the eco zealots.— about the eco zealots. yeah, i hate this, it all about the eco zealots. yeah, i hate this. it all gets _ about the eco zealots. yeah, i hate this, it all gets so _ about the eco zealots. yeah, i hate this, it all gets so personal. - about the eco zealots. yeah, i hate this, it all gets so personal. i- about the eco zealots. yeah, i hate this, it all gets so personal. i was l this, it all gets so personal. i was listening — this, it all gets so personal. i was listening to — this, it all gets so personal. i was listening to rick and rachel on the earlier— listening to rick and rachel on the earlier programme. gn listening to rick and rachel on the earlier programme. on 5 listening to rick and rachel on the earlier programme.— earlier programme. on 5 live breakfast- — earlier programme. on 5 live breakfast. and _ earlier programme. on 5 live breakfast. and rick - earlier programme. on 5 live breakfast. and rick was - earlier programme. on 5 live i breakfast. and rick was talking earlier programme. on 5 live - breakfast. and rick was talking to a rofessor, breakfast. and rick was talking to a professor. saying. _ breakfast. and rick was talking to a professor, saying, what _ breakfast. and rick was talking to a professor, saying, what about - breakfast. and rick was talking to a professor, saying, what about the i professor, saying, what about the supply— professor, saying, what about the supply chain for the lithium, where do we _ supply chain for the lithium, where do we get — supply chain for the lithium, where do we get it from...? and his professor— do we get it from...? and his professor accused him of being a climate _ professor accused him of being a climate change denier. it's as if people — climate change denier. it's as if people put forward their proposals, like keir— people put forward their proposals, like keir hasjust done, anybody who disagrees— like keir hasjust done, anybody who disagrees with him, they say he is being _ disagrees with him, they say he is being political, people are accused of being _ being political, people are accused of being a — being political, people are accused of being a zealot, people are accused _ of being a zealot, people are accused of all kinds of things. in fact people i think are just trying to sort— fact people i think are just trying to sort out— fact people i think are just trying to sort out exactly what the problem is and _ to sort out exactly what the problem is and what — to sort out exactly what the problem is and what to do about it, there is no need _ is and what to do about it, there is no need for— is and what to do about it, there is no need for personal insults. make sense? _ no need for personal insults. make sense? ., �* . ~' no need for personal insults. make sense? ., �* .,~ , . no need for personal insults. make

sense? ., �* , . , , sense? you're making perfect sense. and paul, sense? you're making perfect sense. and paul. you — sense? you're making perfect sense. and paul, you were _ sense? you're making perfect sense. and paul, you were making _ sense? you're making perfect sense. and paul, you were making a - sense? you're making perfect sense. and paul, you were making a lot - sense? you're making perfect sense. and paul, you were making a lot of i and paul, you were making a lot of sense as well, i am very struck by your line, some people are talking about the end of the world, you're talking about getting to the end of the week? ., ., ., ., ~' talking about getting to the end of the week? ., ., ., ., ~ ., the week? yeah, and looking at the big picture. — the week? yeah, and looking at the big picture. nicky. _ the week? yeah, and looking at the big picture, nicky, the _ the week? yeah, and looking at the big picture, nicky, the big - the week? yeah, and looking at the big picture, nicky, the big picture, l big picture, nicky, the big picture, not only— big picture, nicky, the big picture, not only is— big picture, nicky, the big picture, not only is sunak _ big picture, nicky, the big picture, not only is sunak bringing - big picture, nicky, the big picture, not only is sunak bringing things i not only is sunak bringing things into line — not only is sunak bringing things into line with _ not only is sunak bringing things into line with the _ not only is sunak bringing things into line with the rest _ not only is sunak bringing things into line with the rest of- not only is sunak bringing thingsj into line with the rest of europe, with the — into line with the rest of europe, with the 2035. _ into line with the rest of europe, with the 2035, but _ into line with the rest of europe, with the 2035, but given - into line with the rest of europe, with the 2035, but given that. into line with the rest of europe, | with the 2035, but given that the into line with the rest of europe, - with the 2035, but given that the uk as a whole _ with the 2035, but given that the uk as a whole produced _ with the 2035, but given that the uk as a whole produced 1% _ with the 2035, but given that the uk as a whole produced 1% of— with the 2035, but given that the uk as a whole produced 1% of global - as a whole produced 1% of global emissions. — as a whole produced 1% of global emissions. i_ as a whole produced 1% of global emissions, i can't _ as a whole produced 1% of global emissions, i can't help— as a whole produced 1% of global emissions, i can't help but- as a whole produced 1% of global emissions, i can't help but think| emissions, i can't help but think environmentalists_ emissions, i can't help but think environmentalists and _ emissions, i can't help but think environmentalists and people i emissions, i can't help but think- environmentalists and people pushing it are just— environmentalists and people pushing it are just environmental— environmentalists and people pushing it are just environmental little - it are just environmental little englander's _ it are just environmental little englander's-— it are just environmental little enclander's. . , . it are just environmental little enlander's. ,. ., englander's. 1%, jenny jones. we are bein: into englander's. 1%, jenny jones. we are being into the _ englander's. 1%, jenny jones. we are being into the wind? _ englander's. 1%, jenny jones. we are being into the wind? that's _ englander's. 1%, jenny jones. we are being into the wind? that's what - being into the wind? that's what he's saying. i being into the wind? that's what he's saying-— being into the wind? that's what he's saying. i looked up the word ideolo . ue he's saying. i looked up the word ideologue to _ he's saying. i looked up the word ideologue to make _ he's saying. i looked up the word ideologue to make sure - he's saying. i looked up the word ideologue to make sure i - he's saying. i looked up the word ideologue to make sure i was - ideologue to make sure i was reacting properly, and it is an

impractical idealist, now, i am an idealist but i am not impractical, i am very practical. the whole point is, from the treasury's net zero review, it is actually going to be more expensive not to bring these measures in, and these measures include making things betterfor the average person, including insulation, including on things like heat pumps but also cleaning up our air, that is part of what electric vehicles are going to do because they are going to make the air cleaner which means people will be healthier when they walk on the streets. the nhs will be less burdened by people with lung conditions and so on. green measures actually make life better for the average person and particularly those on very low incomes. and so the idea that we are somehow pushing a green agenda that isn't the best for everybody is completely wrong. the government could actually bring in policies, and they have not so

far, that would make life betterfor people by grinning things up. as far as i'm concerned, rishi sunak is looking for votes, he's plummeting in the polls, so is the conservative party, and they are desperate, and now they are trying to corner labour into all sorts of statements, and this is all. this is bbc news. the headlines. in a historic first, king charles is expected to address the french senate as he continues his three—day state visit. poland says it will no longer send weapons to ukraine — as a diplomatic dispute over grain escalates. casualties of war — the number of amputees coming back from ukraine's battlefields is soaring. we'll have a special report. here, the prime minister defends the watering down of climate pledges — including a delay on banning new petrol and diesel cars.

ten years ago, members of the somali—based islamist group al—shabaab attacked a shopping mall in the kenyan capital nairobi. on 21st september 2013, four young men, armed with automatic rifles and grenades, charged into the westgate mall in the uptown westlands district of the kenyan capital, nairobi. they went on a rampage, killing 68 people and injuring hundreds more and sparking a four—day standoff with the kenyan military. let's speak to our reporter ian wafula who's in nairobi for us. ian wafula who's in nairobi for us. ian wafula who's in nairobi for us. understand ian wafula who's in nairobi for us. understand he ian wafula who's in nairobi for us. understand he c ian wafula who's in nairobi for us. understand he c ian wafula who's in nairobi for us. understand he c decade i understand he covered the event a decade ago. can you tell us what really stands out to you from that first initial attack?—

first initial attack? thank you. i was 21 at the _ first initial attack? thank you. i was 21 at the time _ first initial attack? thank you. i was 21 at the time and - first initial attack? thank you. i was 21 at the time and spent i first initial attack? thank you. i. was 21 at the time and spent two months in the newsroom at one of the local stations. at the beginning it seemed as though it was just a burglary. the editor realised it was far bigger than that and that's when news outlets realised it was actually a terror attack. i wasn't able to come here because i was young, it was a crime scene at westgate and also ground zero and i was sent to a local hospital where some of the casualties were. i remember confirming the first victim of the terror attack and that is a memory that lives on in my mind. that isjust one memory that lives on in my mind. that is just one story because the entire nation, the world was shocked because this went on for four days. the country was held at a standstill as the security team tried to take on the terrorists. details of what

exactly happened remained... the government at the time was accused of poor communication about what was going on and there were even questions about what happened to the gun then and their identities. there's some of the things people will be reflecting upon. most importantly, today we are going to see a moment of silence observed for the 67 people who died here and obviously we are going to have family and friends come together to reflect on what today means and also the country will be reflecting on what it means in terms of its response to terrorism. tell what it means in terms of its response to terrorism. tell us more about the long-term _ response to terrorism. tell us more about the long-term effects - response to terrorism. tell us more about the long-term effects of - response to terrorism. tell us more | about the long-term effects of those about the long—term effects of those attacks. about the long-term effects of those attacks. ~ . ., , about the long-term effects of those attacks. ~ , . ., attacks. well, the country changed intensel . attacks. well, the country changed intensely. one _ attacks. well, the country changed intensely. one of— attacks. well, the country changed intensely. one of the _ attacks. well, the country changed intensely. one of the things - intensely. one of the things implemented was regular checks as you enter into malls. this has become quite common. nowadays when you realise you haven't been checked it feels awkward because this has now been a part of us. there is no better engagement. the society and

people here are more aware of the threats terrorism brings about an so everyone is constantly on the alert and it is also an issue the government is trying to make sure that they have all their systems in place. today, the government made a major announcement. they said in a new counterterror strategy they will be training over 900,000 private security personnel. this is crucial because most of them guard private institutions and they realise they can't counter terrorism without private security personnel. we'll see whether this strategy will actually help in fighting terrorism. thank you for taking us through the events. a delegation representing ethnic armenians of breakaway nagorno—karabakh are arriving in the town of yevlakh for talks on integrating the region as part of a ceasefire agreement. the president of azerbaijan

says his forces have restored the country's sovereignty over the disputed nagorno—karabakh region following a two—day military operation there. you can see pictures of the delegation arriving in yevlakh, where armenian separatists are meeting with azerbaijan. karabakh ethnic armenian separatists have said they'd give up their weapons and agree to peace talks. mediated by russia, these talks mark the first time in 30 years the two sides have gathered to discuss the rights and security of karabakh armenians as azerbaijani citizens. let's get more on this with our correspondent in tbilisi, rayhan demytrie. we had a bit of breaking news in the past few minutes, reports of gunfire being heard in the capital of nagorno—karabakh. can you tell us more about that? nagorno-karabakh. can you tell us more about that?— nagorno-karabakh. can you tell us more about that? that's right. also 'ust before

more about that? that's right. also just before coming _ more about that? that's right. also just before coming on _ more about that? that's right. also just before coming on air— more about that? that's right. also just before coming on air i - more about that? that's right. also just before coming on air i saw- just before coming on air i saw footage posted by a localjournalist and in that short video you can clearly hear gunfire. it is not clearly hear gunfire. it is not clear who is shooting but there are unconfirmed reports from the armenian social media telegram channel saying that azerbaijani forces are moving towards the regional capital stepanakert. that regional capital stepa na kert. that same journalist said regional capital stepanakert. that same journalist said the situation is horrible. ethnic armenians reported about 400 people injured in the 24 hour fight or anti—terrorist operation which azerbaijan launched two days ago to finally gain full control over nagorno—karabakh and control over nagorno—kara bakh and also control over nagorno—karabakh and also according to armenian sources about 200 people were killed

including civilians. irate about 200 people were killed including civilians.— about 200 people were killed including civilians. we are also heafina including civilians. we are also hearing about _ including civilians. we are also hearing about large _ including civilians. we are also hearing about large numbers i including civilians. we are also| hearing about large numbers of ethnic armenians trying to leave the area. are there fears of repercussions?- area. are there fears of repercussions? area. are there fears of re ercussions? ., , . area. are there fears of reercussions? ., , . . repercussions? huge fears. we are talkin: repercussions? huge fears. we are talking about _ repercussions? huge fears. we are talking about the _ repercussions? huge fears. we are talking about the communities, - talking about the communities, ethnic armenian communities that lived in a state of conflict and constant war with azerbaijan for nearly three decades. yesterday we saw images of thousands of people gathering outside the russian peacekeeping headquarters in stepanakert, looking for ways to escape. but so far, there have not been any talks about a humanitarian corridorfor been any talks about a humanitarian corridor for these people to flee their homes. today at the talks in yevlakh, we know that azerbaijan will present its plan for reintegration of ethnic armenians into azerbaijan while the armenian

side will be looking for guarantees of safety and security for its population. of safety and security for its population-— of safety and security for its population. of safety and security for its --oulation. �* ., ., ., population. before you go, i wonder if ou can population. before you go, i wonder if you can reflect _ population. before you go, i wonder if you can reflect on _ population. before you go, i wonder if you can reflect on the _ population. before you go, i wonder if you can reflect on the role - population. before you go, i wonder if you can reflect on the role of- if you can reflect on the role of russia mediating the talks. are they neutral in all of this? last russia mediating the talks. are they neutral in all of this?— neutral in all of this? last night, there was _ neutral in all of this? last night, there was massive _ neutral in all of this? last night, there was massive protest - neutral in all of this? last night, there was massive protest in - neutral in all of this? last night, j there was massive protest in the armenian capital. outside the russian embassy there is a lot of anger being feel towards russia. armenians feel russia has betrayed them because three years ago when russia helped to sign a ceasefire agreement between armenia and azerbaijan when they fought a full—scale war over nagorno—karabakh, russian peacekeepers were stationed in the enclave precisely to guarantee safety and security of ethnic armenians. but what we're seeing now for armenians, they feel extremely

betrayed by russia but russia of course have to mediate the ceasefire reached yesterday and is now take part in the talks happening in stepanakert a part in the talks happening in stepanaker— part in the talks happening in steanake . ., ., ., stepanakert a lot of heightened emotions around _ stepanakert a lot of heightened emotions around the _ stepanakert a lot of heightened emotions around the story. - stepanakert a lot of heightened i emotions around the story. thank you. we will be following that story very closely and there's more information on the bbc news website. back to paris now — king charles and queen camilla are in the french capital for the second day of their state visit. the king is about to speak to politicians in the senate chamber. let's go live to paris, lewis vaughnjones in there. the road behind me hasjust been closed off which normally signals the imminent arrival of king charles. he is expected to arrive in a car, not getting rained on and

then will head inside the senate building and give this historic address notjust to members of the upper house but members of the lower house in the end. so, a combination of politicians. speaking from the chamber floor. of politicians. speaking from the chamberfloor. this i suppose is the political element of the day. it is an historic speech from where he is speaking from, the floor of the chamber and actually you can see behind me, ithink chamber and actually you can see behind me, i think that the visit is pretty imminent. because we are seeing security vehicles passed by, that means the king may well be shortly behind. i canjust see up the road past the umbrellas, lots more motorcades and motorcycles coming down. it should be any second now. as i mentioned, this is the political bit of the day. we'll be watching closely to see what words he chooses to use and he's just going to come up behind me right

now. i'll step out the way. there he goes. he's going to pull injust a couple of hundred yards down the road, pull into the left into this historic grand senate building. 50 we can't be too far away now from that speech. he will meet the president of the upper and lower houses, sign the visited book and then head in and deliver that speech. we'll see what themes continue. yesterday talking at that state banquet about sustainable development, unity of the defence of ukraine. this is all about strengthening ties with france, i'm sure lots of elements of that when he speaks to politicians. before that, let's get some context for this and a bit of reaction. we can speak to christine ross.

let's start with the speech we are expecting to hear. what do you think king charles iii will be hoping to get out of it? i king charles iii will be hoping to get out of it?— get out of it? i think you'll be hoinr get out of it? i think you'll be hoping to _ get out of it? i think you'll be hoping to relate _ get out of it? i think you'll be hoping to relate to _ get out of it? i think you'll be hoping to relate to the - get out of it? i think you'll be | hoping to relate to the french people — hoping to relate to the french people. the speech will be made in french. _ people. the speech will be made in french. it's— people. the speech will be made in french, it's with both parties of the senate which really i think it is to— the senate which really i think it is to appeal to the most amount of people _ is to appeal to the most amount of people possible. the historic nature of the _ people possible. the historic nature of the speech will get the message out to— of the speech will get the message out to as _ of the speech will get the message out to as many people as possible. it's out to as many people as possible. it's about— out to as many people as possible. it's about soft diplomacy, strengthening ties and also almost a presentation of the new king and queen— presentation of the new king and queen on— presentation of the new king and queen on the world stage, presenting them to— queen on the world stage, presenting them to the french people. that�*s them to the french people. that's really interesting _ them to the french people. that's really interesting because - them to the french people. that's really interesting because he - them to the french people. that's really interesting because he has| really interesting because he has made 30 also official visits to france but as prince charles rather than king. it's a different role. part of the challenge is queen elizabeth was held in such affection here, it's almost impossible to live

up here, it's almost impossible to live up to that. its here, it's almost impossible to live u- to that. . . , , here, it's almost impossible to live utothat. , ._ _, up to that. its really funny because if we look back _ up to that. its really funny because if we look back to _ up to that. its really funny because if we look back to the _ up to that. its really funny because if we look back to the state - up to that. its really funny because | if we look back to the state banquet at the _ if we look back to the state banquet at the palace of versailles many years _ at the palace of versailles many years ago. — at the palace of versailles many years ago, queen elizabeth ii wore this gorgeous tiara to a similar banquet— this gorgeous tiara to a similar banquet at the palace of versailles and she _ banquet at the palace of versailles and she was so endeared by the public— and she was so endeared by the public that people weren't in uproar. _ public that people weren't in uproar. in this modern age where there _ uproar. in this modern age where there is— uproar. in this modern age where there is a — uproar. in this modern age where there is a lot more discussion about where _ there is a lot more discussion about where the _ there is a lot more discussion about where the monarchy fits in the modern — where the monarchy fits in the modern world, queen camilla decided not to— modern world, queen camilla decided not to wear— modern world, queen camilla decided not to wear a tiara to the state banguet — not to wear a tiara to the state banquet last night and it's a reflection of queen elizabeth's strong — reflection of queen elizabeth's strong favour with the french people but also _ strong favour with the french people but also how the monarchy is modernising.— but also how the monarchy is modernising. but also how the monarchy is modernisinu. ., ., , , modernising. that modernising is interestinu modernising. that modernising is interesting because _ modernising. that modernising is interesting because this - modernising. that modernising is interesting because this trip, - modernising. that modernising is interesting because this trip, we | interesting because this trip, we are seeing on display so much history and ceremony and pomp and we are seeing the military outfits and yet they have to try and show they are modernising and developing. it's

are modernising and developing. it's a kind of funny balance to try and have to strike.— a kind of funny balance to try and have to strike. absolutely. a huge dichotomy of _ have to strike. absolutely. a huge dichotomy of this _ have to strike. absolutely. a huge dichotomy of this palace - have to strike. absolutely. a huge dichotomy of this palace of - dichotomy of this palace of versailles state banquet, amazing fly pasts— versailles state banquet, amazing fly pasts but also we are going to see the _ fly pasts but also we are going to see the meat with sports personalities commemorating the rugby— personalities commemorating the rugby world cup, they are visiting a sustainable organic vineyard which i'm sustainable organic vineyard which l'm sure _ sustainable organic vineyard which i'm sure they will be big fans of. while _ i'm sure they will be big fans of. while there is that sense of glamour they are _ while there is that sense of glamour they are getting boots on the ground. _ they are getting boots on the ground, meeting with emergency workers — ground, meeting with emergency workers and personnel and even the queen— workers and personnel and even the queen and _ workers and personnel and even the queen and mrs macron are promoting literacy— queen and mrs macron are promoting literacy awards. it will be interesting to see how it plays out. i've interesting to see how it plays out. we got _ interesting to see how it plays out. we got to — interesting to see how it plays out. i've got to tell you, this is not the day for boots on the ground. as you mentioned, there are some outdoor events planned and the rain hasn't stopped since i've been standing here. all the broadcasters holding umbrellas. it's pretty grim and you mentioned there are due to

be events, more cultural and sporting events outside. they may have to be some last minute rearranging here. it’s have to be some last minute rearranging here.— have to be some last minute rearranging here. it's a good thing the british are _ rearranging here. it's a good thing the british are so _ rearranging here. it's a good thing the british are so used _ rearranging here. it's a good thing the british are so used to - rearranging here. it's a good thing the british are so used to the - rearranging here. it's a good thing j the british are so used to the rain. i'm the british are so used to the rain. l'm sure _ the british are so used to the rain. l'm sure they— the british are so used to the rain. i'm sure they are well equipped. fair enough. i'm sure they are well equipped. fairenough. i i'm sure they are well equipped. fair enough. i walked i'm sure they are well equipped. fair enough. iwalked into i'm sure they are well equipped. fair enough. i walked into that, didn't i? final day is in bordeaux, that's an extension of more of those kind of activities. themes that are important to the king. absolutely, this is where _ important to the king. absolutely, this is where we _ important to the king. absolutely, this is where we will— important to the king. absolutely, this is where we will see _ important to the king. absolutely, this is where we will see the - this is where we will see the organic— this is where we will see the organic vineyard, there's a lot about— organic vineyard, there's a lot about sustainability, climate change. _ about sustainability, climate change, promoting these causes that are not— change, promoting these causes that are notiust _ change, promoting these causes that are notjust politically but personally important to king charles. _ personally important to king charles. speaking about the response to urban _ charles. speaking about the response to urban forests with the climate change _ to urban forests with the climate change issues and really a strengthening of the relationship that uk_ strengthening of the relationship that uk and france, they are on the same _ that uk and france, they are on the same page. — that uk and france, they are on the same page, on the same team, working towards _ same page, on the same team, working towards solutions. | same page, on the same team, working towards solutions.— towards solutions. i know you are not on

towards solutions. i know you are rrot on the _ towards solutions. i know you are not on the political _ towards solutions. i know you are not on the political beat - towards solutions. i know you are not on the political beat but - towards solutions. i know you are not on the political beat but the l not on the political heat but the royal beat not on the political heat but the royal heat but i'm going to put this to you anyway. we had yesterday in the uk rishi sunak the prime minister sending out that the message of rolling back or delaying some of those green commitments. given what you know of king charles, what do you think his response and reaction will be and how does that affect any of the messaging for this visit? ~ ~' ., , ., , visit? well, i think king charles as prince charles, _ visit? well, i think king charles as prince charles, this _ visit? well, i think king charles as prince charles, this is _ visit? well, i think king charles as prince charles, this is really - visit? well, i think king charles as prince charles, this is really his i prince charles, this is really his life's— prince charles, this is really his life's work. _ prince charles, this is really his life's work, promoting climate change. — life's work, promoting climate change, moving toward sustainability and even _ change, moving toward sustainability and evenjust the organic change, moving toward sustainability and even just the organic gardening, something _ and even just the organic gardening, something as simple as talking to his plants. — something as simple as talking to his plants. i'm sure there might have _ his plants. i'm sure there might have been— his plants. i'm sure there might have been a bit of head scratching at that _ have been a bit of head scratching at that morning debrief on what's happened — at that morning debrief on what's happened since he's been away but certainly— happened since he's been away but certainly the messages he is pushing forward _ certainly the messages he is pushing forward are _ certainly the messages he is pushing forward are consistent with what's been _ forward are consistent with what's been planned, the importance of these _ been planned, the importance of these changes we can make, sustainable efforts that anyone can make _ sustainable efforts that anyone can make on _ sustainable efforts that anyone can make on large scales and promoting

the work— make on large scales and promoting the work of— make on large scales and promoting the work of organisations already doing _ the work of organisations already doing that. hopefully it will make some _ doing that. hopefully it will make some headlines and change some minds some headlines and change some minds some minds. _ some headlines and change some minds some minds. . some headlines and change some minds some minds-— some minds. interesting. christine, i'll come back _ some minds. interesting. christine, i'll come back to _ some minds. interesting. christine, i'll come back to you _ some minds. interesting. christine, i'll come back to you in _ some minds. interesting. christine, i'll come back to you in 30 - some minds. interesting. christine, i'll come back to you in 30 seconds | i'll come back to you in 30 seconds but we are seeing live pictures now from inside the senate. what we are expecting is a combination of senators, members of the upper house here in france as well as members from the lower house. they actually normally work in a different building, a completely different site in central paris. an hour or so ago behind me we saw the coaches pull up, those politicians get out and head inside. what we're seeing here is a mixture politicians from the upper house and the lower house. not all of them i should stress, they couldn't fit all the members from both houses inside but this is the senate, inside the upper house and this is where king charles will

give his address from the floor of the chamber. that's the bit that's a first because previous monarchs have addressed the senate but from different locations. still very grand locations, i should say. elizabeth ii bake there but this will be the first time from the floor of the chamber so that the significance from a historical perspective. other leaders and heads of state have spoken from the chamber floor, just not from the uk. a part of the process we are expecting, king charles to be greeted and meet the head of the senate, president of the senate as well as the president of the lower house. there will be a book signing and then we expect to hear the words. the words we presume will be in french as well as english. king

charles is fluent in french. we already have a hint of what we are expecting to hear from already have a hint of what we are expecting to hearfrom his already have a hint of what we are expecting to hear from his speech already have a hint of what we are expecting to hearfrom his speech in versailles last night, speaking about the warm relationship between france and the uk. that shared history and sacrifice, fighting in world wars, and our defence issues again at the fore, defence of ukraine, an area of unity between the two countries. yesterday we heard tributes to his mother and the role she played in those ties between the two countries which certainly sparked that interest in france in king charles himself. as we wait for some more live pictures and the speech itself, let's bring christine ross back. thank you for standing by. let's go back to one of

the first questions i asked about what you're expecting, what are the themes in these more formal political settings we used to hearing from king charles? i political settings we used to hearing from king charles? i think it's the same _ hearing from king charles? i think it's the same sorts _ hearing from king charles? i think it's the same sorts of _ hearing from king charles? i think it's the same sorts of themes, - it's the same sorts of themes, talking — it's the same sorts of themes, talking about unity, long standing relationship. it's a good opportunity to remind the french senate _ opportunity to remind the french senate and the french people of that long—standing relationship, you mentioned like experiences in world war it _ mentioned like experiences in world war it and _ mentioned like experiences in world war ii and over the last several decades. — war ii and over the last several decades, probably reminding them a lot of the _ decades, probably reminding them a lot of the favour they held for queen— lot of the favour they held for queen elizabeth ii, asking for a similar— queen elizabeth ii, asking for a similar amount queen elizabeth ii, asking for a similaramount of queen elizabeth ii, asking for a similar amount of favour, keeping that relationship strong. he said last night— that relationship strong. he said last night at the state banquet of versailles that we rely on this relationship which is reinvigorated with each— relationship which is reinvigorated with each new generation, highlighting and acknowledging that it's a new monarch, a new position and he _ it's a new monarch, a new position and he has — it's a new monarch, a new position and he has to— it's a new monarch, a new position and he has to earn a bit of favour. even _

and he has to earn a bit of favour. even though— and he has to earn a bit of favour. even though he served in a similar role as— even though he served in a similar role as the — even though he served in a similar role as the prince of wales, he's been _ role as the prince of wales, he's been to— role as the prince of wales, he's been to france and many times, it is again— been to france and many times, it is again this _ been to france and many times, it is again this new monarchy, this new era and _ again this new monarchy, this new era and its— again this new monarchy, this new era and its introducing himself and hoping _ era and its introducing himself and hoping that they can stay friends. if hoping that they can stay friends. if you _ hoping that they can stay friends. if you can— hoping that they can stay friends. if you can hear clipping and cropping on my microphone, it's because we have horses coming past me just out of shot. they are clipping and clopping away from the senate, i think theirjob is done. i want to ask you about an issue of democracy i suppose because when you see an unelected head of state, king charles, speaking on the floor in a democratic institution, and of course their principles are founded on the opposite of unelected people

coming into positions in society, that does sometimes highlight a tension in what's going on and campaign groups who are against the monarchy, particularly, voice their opinions at times like this saying that a head of state should be elected and chosen by the people. i elected and chosen by the people. i mean, i think there's a strong argument _ mean, i think there's a strong argument that is trying to be made there _ argument that is trying to be made there several times but i think the photos— there several times but i think the photos of— there several times but i think the photos of king charles with president macron yesterday when they were having this semi private meeting. _ were having this semi private meeting, they are clapping each other— meeting, they are clapping each other on— meeting, they are clapping each other on the back, they are laughing, that sort of relationship can't _ laughing, that sort of relationship can't be _ laughing, that sort of relationship can't be made in four years or eight years. _ can't be made in four years or eight years, american presidents, british prime _ years, american presidents, british prime ministers, they struggle to create _ prime ministers, they struggle to create these really strong, long lasting — create these really strong, long lasting relationships. king charles has had _ lasting relationships. king charles has had this relationship with france — has had this relationship with france for decades, his mother did for decades, in a way an elected

politician — for decades, in a way an elected politician can be removed from his position— politician can be removed from his position at— politician can be removed from his position at any time and can't take the same — position at any time and can't take the same sort of relationships. i really— the same sort of relationships. i really think the personal nature of these _ really think the personal nature of these relationships is why they are so strong. — these relationships is why they are so strong, when you had someone new in position— so strong, when you had someone new in position every few years, you can't _ in position every few years, you can't create _ in position every few years, you can't create those friendships which ultimately _ can't create those friendships which ultimately leads to more success in the diplomacy between the nations. interesting. stay there for us while we wait to hear the words of king charles in that address. you talk earlier about some of the events coming up later in the programme after the political bit is finished. i want to get this coverage from my colleague daniela relph, just as my umbrella goes up in the rain continues. while we wait for king charles to appear and speak those words in the chamber, let's get an

overview from daniela relph. the glitz and the glamour of the state banquet at versailles. the actor hugh grant made the guest list, as did rolling stone mickjagger. last to arrive, the king and queen, welcomed by president macron and his wife, brigitte. inside versaille's hall of mirrors, speaking mostly in french, the king thanked his hosts and stressed the need to work together to protect the environment. he speaks in french. solutions to climate change are on the agenda today, as is a visit to notre dame. devastated by fire four years ago, the king and queen will see the restoration of the cathedral. the king will also walk in the footsteps of his mother when, as she did almost ten years ago, he visits a flower market in paris, now named after the late queen.

the first day of the state visit began with a ceremonial welcome at the arc de triomphe... # allons enfants de la patrie...# ..and a focus on the shared bonds and friendship between the uk and france. including a king and a president, taking in the view down the champs—elysees. so much of this trip will be about the common ground the two countries share. even the flypast was a joint enterprise between the red arrows and the french air force, for a visit that will focus on reinvigorating the relationship between the uk and france. daniela relph, bbc news, paris. that is a sense of what happened yesterday and what's to come today. i want to bring you up—to—date with what's happening now because usually that this state visit the king and the queen will be together but there

are points during the three days where they separate and have separate activities and that is one of those times right now. as i'm just checking who is arriving because i've got my back here, that's the royal car departing, charles is still inside. i don't want to miss anything. this is what i was referring to. so, we have the queen next to emmanuel macron's wife brigitte macron. they are launching a brand—new initiative which is a joint literary prize between france and the uk. literacy is one of queen camilla's big passions and her causes and this is a new idea to celebrate the bonds between the uk and france in a literary sense, which is why it is launched at the national library. one of those rare

moments where the king and queen are attending separate events during this three—day state visit and as the camera repositions there, it is a very beautiful building. you can see the camera wobbling around and repositioning. that's going on at the same time as king charles is inside the senate building here. i wonder if we can bring christine ross back who we were speaking to a little earlier about the idea of the role when the king and queen travelled together, we expect usually to see them together as we have done at the palace of versailles yesterday for example. versailles yesterday for exa m ple. what versailles yesterday for example. what you think the of these events with queen camilla championing causes closer to her heart? again, this is an introduction _ causes closer to her heart? again, this is an introduction of _ causes closer to her heart? again, this is an introduction of who - causes closer to her heart? again, | this is an introduction of who queen camilla is on a worldwide scale

especially to the french people. and this literacy event, literacy prize couldn't be better suited, one of her strongest passions in the because she's working on most closely and passionately is literacy, promoting literacy and getting books into the hands of lots of people, notjust children but adults, using it to combat loneliness and this is such a good taste of who she is as a queen and who she wants people to know her as. thank you for that. as you were talking, we are now seeing the round of applause as king charles iii enters the building and is now on the floor of the senate. so, some of the floor of the senate. so, some of the formal proceedings will have already taken place, greeted by the president of the senate, the president of the senate, the president of the lower house too and now on the floor of the chamber, the first uk monarch to address both houses from the floor of the

chamber. that's what we will be expecting in the next few minutes as it looks like he's taking his seat. i don't know about these sound feeds here and what we will and won't be hearing inside but we will certainly be hearing his words in english and at times in french. he will be there to strengthen ties between france and the uk so expect strong themes on shared history, the shared culture, shared love of sport for example because after this it will be heading to a different area of paris and taking part in an event which celebrates sport and the role it plays in the community. of course, france hosting the rugby world cup right now. all of those cultural events taking place this afternoon. this is the more political event. let's take a quick

listen. translation: ., , listen. translation: ., translation: ladies and gentlemen, for the speaker _ translation: ladies and gentlemen, for the speaker of _ translation: ladies and gentlemen, for the speaker of the _ translation: ladies and gentlemen, for the speaker of the lower _ translation: ladies and gentlemen, for the speaker of the lower house - for the speaker of the lower house to speak in the chamber of the upper house, we need to have a major event. and this is indeed an historic moment which we have here and it is a great honour that you have granted to us, your majesty. you, who know france so well, but here this is the first time that you are here as a sovereign monarch of the united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland. this visit was of course duty bound to have a parliamentary aspect to it. if we were honest we would say that the united kingdom could claim royalties on the idea of parliamentary system and in that case every democracy around the world would have to pay the royalties.

in france, the sharing of power between the executive and legislative bodies was a source of great between the executive and legislative bodies was a source of great admiration between the executive and legislative bodies was a source of great admiration for between the executive and legislative bodies was a source of great admiration for enlightened minds, it was montesquieu who presented the theory of the separation of power, but he also saw it put into practice on the other side of the english channel, and it was also in london that voltaire wrote letters concerning the english nation, and then there was mirabeau, who had been a victim of arbitrary royal decisions, and he had great admiration for british happiest corpus, and he wrote observations of an english and published his criticism of french prisons. in his book he gave credit to our neighbours, your subjects, with the greatest respect for human rights for this nation, as they have so gloriously learned them. this is obviously a reference to the 1688 glorious revolution. it was a

century after that