saying, "if the uk are starting to row back on its policies, maybe we should do the same." well, i was just at the 620 in india, talking with leaders from around the world, and at that summit i made a commitment to the green climate fund — a $2 billion commitment to help the world's poorest countries transition to climate change. single biggest commitment that our country's ever made, warmly welcomed by leaders across the globe. help us helping them make that vital transition. and, again, you talk about the un and other countries. look, here are the facts — because, again, lots of people want to deal with emotion in this debate — but here are the facts. we've decarbonised faster than many other major economy thus far. because the coal mines were closed. no, because there's lots of different things. we've developed offshore wind. and that's a good thing, that we've got coal out of our power system — that's not a bad thing — we've done that faster than other countries. but here are the facts. 2030, everyone�*s had to set

a target for what they'll do for decarbonisation. we've committed to reducing our emissions by 68%. we remain absolutely committed to that target. here are some of the other countries�* targets. the eu — just 55%. australia 45%. america a0%. canada around 20, new zealand 18. so if people want to talk about global leadership, those are the facts that they should be dealing with. the problem with that, prime minister, is that's talking about where we've been. no... we're talking about where we're going. the targets i've just given you are the 2030 targets. sure. that's where we're going and we're going faster than anyone else. but you as a government have an independent climate change committee to advise you on that. the reason that we have, for example, in the economy an office for budget responsibility is — forgive me, and i would say this to any politician of any party — we don't necessarilyjudge politicians, trust politicians to mark their own homework. now, the chief executive of the climate change committee — independent — described your speech as "wishful thinking".

he says, "we've not got the policy package to hit the legal targets this country has set in law." some think there may be a legal challenge to the fact that you can't meet your own targets. are you ready for that? well, i agree with the climate change committee when they said a while ago that you can'tjust wish or will your way to net zero. and i think, actually, for too long that's what we've done. people have asserted these targets without having an honest conversation with the country about what's required to deliver them. that's what i wanted to change yesterday. they say you're not — they say you're doing it... and let me... let me address that. the secretary of state, on behalf of the government, under the current law, has an ongoing responsibility to ensure that we do have policies and proposals in place that will allow us to meet all our international and domestic obligations, which we remain committed to. and we have absolute confidence and belief that we will hit them. we do have the policies... so if the climate change committee say you're not — and they do say you're not at the moment, and they say you're

likely to go further off course — you're ready for a fight? i'm... we are confident, absolutely confident in our position. we've been through all the numbers. we've looked at the range of policies that we've got in place. and here are a couple of other things that are worth bearing in mind. we have consistently overdelivered. in all our previous carbon budgets, we've consistently overdelivered despite everyone saying we were behind and we wouldn't hit them. and then look at a couple of other things. the price for many of the transition technologies has come down far faster than we thought. look at offshore wind — 70% cheaper than our forecast in 2016 projected. and then you look at the adoption of new green technologies — again, like evs, it's happening at a rate far faster than predicted. so all those things together... the climate change committee know all this. they know it, they study, they were set up by parliament... and... ..in order to assess — aren't you doing what your predecessor liz truss did? no... what liz truss did was to ignore the advice she didn't want to hear. when she wanted to do something, her economy said, "let's forget the office for budget responsibility!" isn't rishi sunak saying, "let's

ignore the climate change committee. they may be the independent commission, they may advise parliament, we don't want to know their advice. i'm ploughing on, i know best."? i'm very happy to get opinions and advice from everybody, and everyone�*s entitled to their view. we're very confident, being in government with all the information at our disposal, that we are on track to hit all our targets. but, look, for those who disagree with me — and there are plenty of people, as we can see over the last day or two, lots of people who disagree with me — the questions for them, they should explain to the country why they think it's right that ordinary families up and down the country should have to fork out £5,000, £10,000, £15,000 to make the transition earlier than is necessary, to do things that aren't possible for them, to spend the money doing that, when i don't believe it's necessary for us to hit targets — which, by the way, are more ambitious than anyone else, and we're doing more than anyone else. so the question is, for all these people who disagree with me, they should explain to families — why do they want them to spend that extra £5,000 or £10,000 or £15,000? i don't think they need to. and if someone disagrees, they should explain why. they do explain what they say is because it's good

for the economy to have certainty. let's talk about cars and vans. just think about what you said when people right now inflation being where it is. although thankfully yesterday we had good news that it's coming down again on track to be halved. it's that family who is struggling to make ends meet, as it is saying to them, yes, you should just fork out £10,000. so someone sitting in an office can have some certainty about a target in 20 years�* time, which, by the way, no one's you know, nobody�*s suggesting that 2030 at the earliest. there are policies in place for property upgrades, for energy efficiency, kicking in in just two years, these are very real things that people were proposing. well, let me put to you what the industry say here. let's do cars and vans, first of all. and vans, as, you know, just as important as cars. ford says what business needs to make this sort of dramatic change, ambition, commitment, consistency, they say,

and you, in their words, have undermined all three. well, they made those comments before i'd actually stood up and made a speech based on speculation. and since then, what you've had are multiple other car manufacturers, including toyota last night welcomed what i said, because what it does is provide certainty that we're going to get to net zero in a sensible way. the worst thing for business is, as you can see in other countries around the world, if you go too far, too fast and crucially, you don't bring the public with you and then being forced to change down the track, that's no good for business. so what we've put in place is as a road map that will have broad consent. and that's why business can plan with certainty. other manufacturers have welcomed it, including toyota yesterday, but some of them have contacted us and they've said, look, what we're worried about is that won't be an incentive to buy new cars and vans 110w. and the fear is the fear they have they're saying to us is that if consumers say, let's leave it a few years, manufacturers will not

have the incentive to invest. well, that's that's an easy thing to rebut, because if you look at our target of 2035, it's completely aligned with pretty much every other major economy — france, germany, italy, spain, australia, canada, california, new york, massachusetts, sweden. so in an industry that is global and integrated, it's very hard to argue that somehow we'll be at a disadvantage when we're aligning our date with that of pretty much every other major country. not what this government said a couple of years ago. well, that wasn't your point. your point was sure the incentive for manufacturers, given they operate globally and every other major country has gone with 2035, i think it seems entirely sensible to align with that. let's turn to a heating home along with that boilers as well. and i'm sorry to interrupt you. turning to boilers now, the big change on boilers, it seems to me, is that it will be possible still to buy

and install a new gas boiler right up till 2035. now, that's the change. that means those boilers, given a lifetime of boilers, may well still be in operation in 2050. are you saying that this country can deliver its net zero commitments when it still has gas boilers operating in 2050? yeah, well, so the typical life of a boiler is about 15 years, which is why 2035 is the right date. and look, i'm clear with people, if you believe in net zero, then we will have to make changes. i'm not hiding from that. that wouldn't be being honest with people. so both in the cars and vans that we drive and how we heat our homes over time to deliver net zero, those things have to change and we should be honest about that. but we can do that in a measured way. we can do it being proportionate, pragmatic, allowing the technology to improve the cost so they fall. and that's what we've done. that's the approach we've taken

is ed with a typical life of a boiler being 15 years, 2035 is a sensible date. we've also, by the way, added an exemption because we have to recognise that there are a range of households for whom that simply won't make sense. it's deeply either technically implausible, impractical. they have to install £25,000 worth of energy efficiency upgrades to make the heat pump work in a rural home. that doesn't make any sense. and what we've said is for those households, we will exempt them entirely. you've just said you'll be honest. so let's pick up the claim that you made in the speech yesterday. he said you wanted a better, more honest debate. you then went on and say, i've scrapped a series of proposals. you said, so let me ask you about them. where was this proposal for the government to put a tax on meat that you had to scrap with such a fanfare? yeah, there were a range of things that have been proposed by lots of different people in order for us to meet. i mean, actually, if you look in their report, they talked very specifically about saying it's particularly important that we see an accelerated shift, in their words, in our diets away from meat and dairy.

i've just spoken to them. i've just interviewed them. and they said there is no mention of a tax on meat in any of their reports. if you look at their report, it talks about an accelerated shift away from dairy and meat. it's not a tax on meat, it said that diets will need to shift away. it also says we'd have to implement measures to bring that about. so they didn't oppose a tax. was the proposalfor a compulsory car sharing that you say you scrap? again, you can if you look in their report, it will talk very clearly about what they could describe as ride sharing solutions, otherwise known as exactly what i was saying and different from compulsory car sharing. what then says euphemistically is one would need to consider demand side measures to bring that about, which are otherwise known as compulsion or taxes. but elsewhere, actually, they're very open that taxes should

be used to send a signal on things like reducing travel demand or the amount that people want. the government considering forcing people to have seven bins. another proposal you said you've scrapped. yeah. if you look if you look at the environment act and the associated consultations that were in place around 2021 from memory, there's a very clear statement in there about moving to consistent collection for recycling, the clear implication of which is seven bins. and you can go through and again, that's what people have raised concerns with and that's what the policy work was looking at. hold on just a second. prime minister, you stand up with the authority of prime minister in this building and you say you're scrapping a series of proposals. and when i ask you about them is, oh, somebody considered. and it was in the appendix of this document, there's nothing to be scrapped, which is why your former environment minister says you're pretending to halt frightening proposals that simply do not exist. no, ijust i reject that entirely. these are all things that have been raised by very credible people about ways to meet our net zero obligations alongside the very substantive changes that we've announced when it comes to the transitional electric vehicles and how we heat our homes and whether people should be forced, we believe they should not be so and that's what i

was doing yesterday. and as you can see, lots of people disagree. i've set out my stall, which i believe is the right one to deliver net zero to new challenges. king and queen are in paris around the notre dame area and you can see one of the firefighters dressed in red stop the king and queen were speaking to some of the fire fighters involved in tackling the devastating fire that struck in april 2019. you see members of the clergy there as well as transcribing and translating some of the work that has been done. we understand at some point king charles and the queen camilla will meet some of the crass people to been involved in rebuilding notre dame. he caught sight very briefly of president

macron with the royal couple and his wife, the first lady also part of the royal group travelling to notre dame. the roof is where the fire broke out, engulfing the spire. it began in the evening on the 15th of april. it is been a very busy day for the royal couple. earlier king charles addressed lawmakers from the upper and lower house of parliament at the senate, a first for the royal family. he focused on a message of unity between the two countries. of course much has been said about bringing the two together following the tensions of brexit. he ended his message with a personal pledge to strengthen what he said was the

indispensable relationship between the two countries during his time as monarch. forthe the two countries during his time as monarch. for the time it is granted to me as king he said i am pleased to me as king he said i am pleased to do whatever i can to strengthen the indispensable relationship between the uk and france. poland says it will still carry out agreed deliveries of weapons to ukraine — as a dispute over grain escalates. king charles�* historic address. he becomes the first

british monarch to speak from the french senate chamber. he and queen camilla are now touring notre dame cathedral. hello, welcome to bbc news now — three hours of fast—moving news, interviews and reaction. we have some breaking news to start with this hour. here in the uk prosecutors have authorised a charge of conspiracy to conduct espionage against three men and two women suspected of spying for russia. it follows an investigation by the metropolitan police. let�*s take you straight to the newsroom. tell us what details we have. this straight to the newsroom. tell us what details we have.— straight to the newsroom. tell us what details we have. this has been announced within _ what details we have. this has been announced within the _ what details we have. this has been announced within the last _ what details we have. this has been announced within the last few - announced within the last few minutes. the crown prosecution service here in the uk has announced it has authorised charges of spying against five bulgarians who are

living in the uk. three men and