good morning, i hope you had a great weekend. it is political conference time. liberal democrats, how are you feeling? let's hearfrom you time. liberal democrats, how are you feeling? let's hear from you this morning. in the weeks to come we will feature the largest westminster parties. today's party is the party of ashdown and kennedy and nick clegg and jo swinson and thorpe and gladstone, at a push, and ed davey, is he your man? so, political gigs, waking up like kids on christmas morning, being the political conference season, the rest of us concentrating our minds on the fact that an election is not too far

away, the political dividing lines are clearly being drawn, as you will have noticed. what you want to talk about this morning? be it brexit, house building, social care, whatever, you call it this morning and it is a lib dems zone. it is great when we do this. basically if you have been within touching distance of the lib dems at all, insofar as have you voted for them? have you considered voting for them? might you vote for them, have you voted for them before and never will again? are you a lib dems member? all of that stuff, we want to hear from you. lib dems, how are you feeling? let's do this.

lisa mccormick. the ministry of defence is offering soldiers to support armed police in london after more than 100 met officers stood down from firearms duties. it's after one of their colleagues was charged with murder over a shooting in south london last year. prosecutors will decide later whether to seek a retrial of lucy letby on six counts of attempted murder. the former nurse was jailed last month for the murders of seven babies and attempted murder of six others. the 33—year—old denied the charges and has lodged an appeal. figures due to be published later are expected to confirm that more than a million nhs appointments and operations have been cancelled because of strikes. nhs providers — which represents health service managers — has described the milestone as "damaging and demoralising". the liberal democrats are set to drop their long—held policy of putting a penny on income tax to pay for the nhs and social care. the party hopes that, by doing so, it'll reassure voters in conservative—held seats that it's targeting in the next general election.

so, lib dems, how do you feel? when will the penny dropped? we havejust heard on the news that it has, they have dropped their commitment to a penny on income tax to pay for the nhs and social care so how will they pay for the nhs and social care? we have various pressures and problems at the moment in this country, that might have crossed your mind. what do you want to hear from ed davey as the leader? he is avowedly anti—tory but his political paradox, his values are anti—tory get 43 of the lib dems�* top 50 targets are in seats currently held by the conservatives. the so—called funny old phrase blue wall. so what about those plans to drop, well, they have already done it, the 1p policy, rejoining the eu off the table. ed davey interestingly said on 5 live

breakfast this morning currently there are no plans. the c word is always interesting when used by a politician. what do they stand for? we are going to have with us for the hour munira wilson, the party's shadow education spokesperson. we arejust sorting out shadow education spokesperson. we are just sorting out the technicals. but we do have a lovely array of members and we want to hear from you if you have voted in the past, might consider voting lib dems in the future, is at once a lib dems, always a lib dem? possibly not. let's see. joshan, good morning. good morning. let's see. joshan, good morning. good morning-— let's see. joshan, good morning. good morning. thank you for being with us. good morning. thank you for being with us- young _ good morning. thank you for being with us. young is _ good morning. thank you for being with us. young is in _ good morning. thank you for being with us. young is in worthing. - with us. young is in worthing. hello. �* g ., ., , ., with us. young is in worthing. hello. , ., ., m hello. and jill in northampton. good mornin: , hello. and jill in northampton. good morning. i'm — hello. and jill in northampton. good morning. i'm not _ hello. and jill in northampton. good morning, i'm not in _ hello. and jill in northampton. good morning, i'm not in northampton, i hello. and jill in northampton. good l morning, i'm not in northampton, i'm in bournemouth — morning, i'm not in northampton, i'm in bournemouth for— morning, i'm not in northampton, i'm in bournemouth for the _ morning, i'm not in northampton, i'm in bournemouth for the lib _ morning, i'm not in northampton, i'm in bournemouth for the lib dems - in bournemouth for the lib dems conference — in bournemouth for the lib dems conference. jill— in bournemouth for the lib dems conference-— in bournemouth for the lib dems conference. jill from northampton “oins us. conference. jill from northampton

joins us- how _ conference. jill from northampton joins us. how are _ conference. jill from northampton joins us. how are things _ conference. jill from northampton joins us. how are things in - joins us. how are things in bournemouth by the seaside, jill? absolutely glorious. the sun is shining — absolutely glorious. the sun is shining and _ absolutely glorious. the sun is shining and is— absolutely glorious. the sun is shining and is the _ absolutely glorious. the sun is shining and is the first - absolutely glorious. the sun is. shining and is the first in—person conference — shining and is the first in—person conference we _ shining and is the first in—person conference we have _ shining and is the first in—person conference we have had - shining and is the first in—person conference we have had in - shining and is the first in—person conference we have had in four. shining and is the first in—person - conference we have had in four years and ii— conference we have had in four years and it is— conference we have had in four years and it is great— conference we have had in four years and it is great to _ conference we have had in four years and it is great to get _ conference we have had in four years and it is great to get together- and it is great to get together again — and it is great to get together again of— and it is great to get together aaain. . ., , and it is great to get together aaain. , _ again. of course their ma'esty the queen passed * again. of course their ma'esty the queen passed away _ again. of course their majesty the queen passed away around - again. of course their majesty the queen passed away around about| again. of course their majesty the - queen passed away around about this time last year so had to cancel your conference then. as the sun shining for the liberal democrats at the moment, jill? for the liberal democrats at the moment. jill?— for the liberal democrats at the moment, jill? ~ , , . ., moment, jill? absolutely. we have won three parliamentary _ moment, jill? absolutely. we have i won three parliamentary by-elections won three parliamentary by—elections with massive — won three parliamentary by—elections with massive tory _ won three parliamentary by—elections with massive tory majorities - won three parliamentary by—elections with massive tory majorities we - won three parliamentary by—elections with massive tory majorities we have| with massive tory majorities we have overturned. — with massive tory majorities we have overturned. over— with massive tory majorities we have overturned, over 20,000. _ with massive tory majorities we have overturned, over20,000. there - with massive tory majorities we have overturned, over20,000. there is. overturned, over20,000. there is another— overturned, over20,000. there is another one — overturned, over20,000. there is another one pending, _ overturned, over20,000. there is another one pending, nadine- another one pending, nadine dorries's_ another one pending, nadine dorries's seat— another one pending, nadine dorries's seat in _ another one pending, nadine dorries's seat in mid - another one pending, nadine- dorries's seat in mid bedfordshire and is _ dorries's seat in mid bedfordshire and is looking _ dorries's seat in mid bedfordshire and is looking exciting _ dorries's seat in mid bedfordshire and is looking exciting for- dorries's seat in mid bedfordshire and is looking exciting for us - and is looking exciting for us there — and is looking exciting for us there. �* and is looking exciting for us there. . , ., and is looking exciting for us there. �* , ., . and is looking exciting for us there. �* . ., and is looking exciting for us there. . . ., there. are you excited, ian? i think, there. are you excited, ian? i think. yeah. _ there. are you excited, ian? i think, yeah, having _ there. are you excited, ian? i think, yeah, having looked i there. are you excited, ian? i think, yeah, having looked at| there. are you excited, ian? i. think, yeah, having looked at the motions— think, yeah, having looked at the motions and the things that were passed _ motions and the things that were passed yesterday, we have so many -ood passed yesterday, we have so many good ideas — passed yesterday, we have so many good ideas going forwards. i think people _ good ideas going forwards. i think people would be mad not to vote lib dems— people would be mad not to vote lib dems to _ people would be mad not to vote lib dems to he —

people would be mad not to vote lib dems to be honest with you. that can only he _ dems to be honest with you. that can only he a _ dems to be honest with you. that can only be a good thing.— only be a good thing. joshan, is there a similar _ only be a good thing. joshan, is there a similar spring _ only be a good thing. joshan, is there a similar spring in - only be a good thing. joshan, is there a similar spring in your i only be a good thing. joshan, is . there a similar spring in your step? yeah, this conference had lots of exciting policy, putting liberal democrats at the forefront of things like the fight against climate change, fixing fast fashion, returning to community policing. liberal democrats are the ones providing the ideas in modern politics. providing the ideas in modern olitics. . . providing the ideas in modern olitics. ., politics. fixing fast fashion, throwin: politics. fixing fast fashion, throwing that _ politics. fixing fast fashion, throwing that one _ politics. fixing fast fashion, throwing that one in. - politics. fixing fast fashion, throwing that one in. tell i politics. fixing fast fashion, | throwing that one in. tell us politics. fixing fast fashion, - throwing that one in. tell us more. we passed a great policy at conference yesterday about how we can reform the fashion industry to avoid the environmental damage it can cause, to mitigate the impacts that it has in developing nations, and to really make sure we are building an economy fit for the future. pm building an economy fit for the future. �* . building an economy fit for the future. �* , ., ., _, , future. an interesting one and comes within the bracket _ future. an interesting one and comes within the bracket of _ future. an interesting one and comes within the bracket of the _ within the bracket of the environment. we have munira wilson, mp for twickenham since 2019, took

over vince cable's seat, of course. munira is a regular guest, good to have your back, nice to talk to you again. good morning. bleep i don't think she is war! that was a technical issue. i heard a leap! i was delighted to hear from these liberal democrat members and supporters who are loving what we're doing at conference. i’m supporters who are loving what we're doing at conference.— doing at conference. i'm sure we will aet doing at conference. i'm sure we will get going- — doing at conference. i'm sure we will get going. more, _ doing at conference. i'm sure we will get going. more, please, - doing at conference. i'm sure we will get going. more, please, i. doing at conference. i'm sure we l will get going. more, please, iwill be ha - will get going. more, please, iwill be happy with _ will get going. more, please, iwill be happy with that _ will get going. more, please, iwill be happy with that for _ will get going. more, please, iwill be happy with that for the - will get going. more, please, iwill be happy with that for the hour. i be happy with that for the hour. what are the dems for? what be happy with that for the hour. what are the dems for? what are we for? a fair deal— what are the dems for? what are we for? a fair deal for _ what are the dems for? what are we for? a fair deal for the _ what are the dems for? what are we for? a fair deal for the british - for? a fair dealfor the british people. with this have been setting out a raft of policies about how we are going be supporting people to be able to access their gp easier, tackle the nhs backlogs. in my own area, we set out a whole raft of policies for our schools and early years and how we are going to invest

in education because we are investing in the future of our country and children's future potential, whether that is through tutoring for millions of disadvantaged children who have fallen behind, or whether that is around making parental leave much more affordable and accessible to dads as well as mums when they have a newborn. those are some of the really exciting ideas about how hard—working british families up—and—down the country can get a better deal from up—and—down the country can get a better dealfrom their up—and—down the country can get a better deal from their public services. people work hard and they pay into the system and they want to have decent public services that support them and a party that is championing the environment when this government is rowing back scandalously as we have seen in the last week on our environmental policies. last week on our environmental olicies. ,, ., ., ., ., ., policies. quite a lot of ticks on a binuo policies. quite a lot of ticks on a bingo card. _ policies. quite a lot of ticks on a bingo card. if — policies. quite a lot of ticks on a bingo card. if i _ policies. quite a lot of ticks on a bingo card, if i may _ policies. quite a lot of ticks on a bingo card, if i may say - policies. quite a lot of ticks on a bingo card, if i may say so, - bingo card, if i may say so, especially the one about hard—working families which all of the politicians come outwith. i will be getting onto that a little bit later on. what a hard—working

family exactly is. and who is there for the lazy families? 0k, family exactly is. and who is there for the lazy families? ok, you say that you are going to tackle the waiting lists, you are going to sort out the nhs, you havejust dropped your pledge of a penny on income tax to sort out the nhs. where is all this money coming from?- to sort out the nhs. where is all this money coming from? nikki, you know that every _ this money coming from? nikki, you know that every general _ this money coming from? nikki, you know that every general election - this money coming from? nikki, you know that every general election the liberal democrats set out a fully costed manifesto and the institute for fiscal studies give us a green tick on how it is costed and how this sums add up.— this sums add up. how will you tackle waiting _ this sums add up. how will you tackle waiting lists? _ this sums add up. how will you tackle waiting lists? one - this sums add up. how will you tackle waiting lists? one of - this sums add up. how will you j tackle waiting lists? one of the bi est tackle waiting lists? one of the biggest ways — tackle waiting lists? one of the biggest ways we _ tackle waiting lists? one of the biggest ways we can _ tackle waiting lists? one of the biggest ways we can tackle - tackle waiting lists? one of the . biggest ways we can tackle waiting lists is sorting out social care. we now are social care system is on its knees, there is a workforce crisis. we were the first party to say we need a minimum wage for carers and by trying to boost the numbers of carers and make social care more accessible you'd be able to free up

many beds in the nhs and personal care policy that we passed this weekend at conference, a lot of it pays for itself, two thirds of its it pays for itself. you generate returns in the same way you do with education and skills when you invest in our schools and invest in people's skills, you boost the economy. people's skills, you boost the economy-— people's skills, you boost the econom . , ., , economy. sounds great but we will see. linda from _ economy. sounds great but we will see. linda from bedford. _ economy. sounds great but we will see. linda from bedford. maybe i economy. sounds great but we will| see. linda from bedford. maybe it's not quite as easy as that. you are chuckling, why are you chuckling? hi. ithink chuckling, why are you chuckling? hi. i think what you just said, in terms _ hi. i think what you just said, in terms of— hi. i think what you just said, in terms of it— hi. i think what you just said, in terms of it sounds easy, and it clearly — terms of it sounds easy, and it clearly isn't easy. if i can first of all— clearly isn't easy. if i can first of all say _ clearly isn't easy. if i can first of all say to munira, her education policy— of all say to munira, her education policy that— of all say to munira, her education policy that was passed yesterday is absolutely brilliant and i'm really, really _ absolutely brilliant and i'm really, really impressed with that. i think we have _ really impressed with that. i think we have something to really build on their azzopardi.

we have something to really build on theirazzopardi. —— we have something to really build on their azzopardi. —— as a party. we have something to really build on theirazzopardi. —— as a party. we say nobody— theirazzopardi. —— as a party. we say nobody should be enslaved by poverty. _ say nobody should be enslaved by poverty, ignorance or nonconformity and that _ poverty, ignorance or nonconformity and that tackles a lot of those issues — and that tackles a lot of those issues in _ and that tackles a lot of those issues in that one policy so thank you for— issues in that one policy so thank you for that. what i am concerned about _ you for that. what i am concerned about l — you for that. what i am concerned about... ., ~ you for that. what i am concerned about... . ~' ,. you for that. what i am concerned about... ., ,, ., about... i said thank you for the feedback- _ about... i said thank you for the feedback. she _ about... i said thank you for the feedback. she is _ about... i said thank you for the feedback. she is thanking - about... i said thank you for the feedback. she is thanking you i about... i said thank you for the | feedback. she is thanking you for thankin: feedback. she is thanking you for thanking her- _ feedback. she is thanking you for thanking her. let's _ feedback. she is thanking you for thanking her. let's get _ feedback. she is thanking you for thanking her. let's get on - feedback. she is thanking you for thanking her. let's get on with i feedback. she is thanking you for. thanking her. let's get on with the love in. ~ . , ., love in. when i heard this morning about what — love in. when i heard this morning about what ed _ love in. when i heard this morning about what ed davey _ love in. when i heard this morning about what ed davey was - love in. when i heard this morning about what ed davey was saying i love in. when i heard this morning - about what ed davey was saying about 1p, i about what ed davey was saying about ip. i don't _ about what ed davey was saying about 1p, i don't have a problem with that because _ 1p, i don't have a problem with that because it — 1p, i don't have a problem with that because it died a death in terms of it being _ because it died a death in terms of it being quite a blunt instrument in terms _ it being quite a blunt instrument in terms of— it being quite a blunt instrument in terms of tackling the problems we have got — terms of tackling the problems we have got. what i am concerned about is that— have got. what i am concerned about is that we _ have got. what i am concerned about is that we really are not grasping the metal— is that we really are not grasping the metal that this is a deeply unequal— the metal that this is a deeply unequal society that we live in now -- grasping — unequal society that we live in now —— grasping the nettle. the rich are getting _ —— grasping the nettle. the rich are getting richer and the poor are

getting — getting richer and the poor are getting poorer and we are putting sticking _ getting poorer and we are putting sticking plasters on. so what i would — sticking plasters on. so what i would like to see more of is a real consideration of wealth taxes, of actually— consideration of wealth taxes, of actually making sure people who are tax pay _ actually making sure people who are tax pay their tax and reallyjust to say we _ tax pay their tax and reallyjust to say we can— tax pay their tax and reallyjust to say we can do all of this is the richest — say we can do all of this is the richest country... do say we can do all of this is the richest country. . ._ say we can do all of this is the richest country... do you mean clamping _ richest country... do you mean clamping down _ richest country... do you mean clamping down on _ richest country... do you mean clamping down on tax - richest country... do you mean l clamping down on tax avoidance because every single party at every single election in recent history... said they will do that. find single election in recent history... said they will do that.— said they will do that. and it is easier said _ said they will do that. and it is easier said than _ said they will do that. and it is easier said than done. - said they will do that. and it is easier said than done. it - said they will do that. and it is easier said than done. it is - said they will do that. and it is easier said than done. it is a i said they will do that. and it is i easier said than done. it is a kind of trope, you know? it is easier said than done. it is a kind of trope, you know?— of trope, you know? it is about where is the — of trope, you know? it is about where is the will? _ of trope, you know? it is about where is the will? that's - of trope, you know? it is about where is the will? that's what. of trope, you know? it is about where is the will? that's what i don't _ where is the will? that's what i don't see — where is the will? that's what i don't see at the moment with the current— don't see at the moment with the current government. there is no will _ current government. there is no will it— current government. there is no will it is— current government. there is no will. it is their mates, the people that give — will. it is their mates, the people that give them the money so they are not going _ that give them the money so they are not going to _ that give them the money so they are not going to upset that applecart. it is not going to upset that applecart. it isjust_ not going to upset that applecart. it isjust that not going to upset that applecart. it is just that whole thing. and also _ it is just that whole thing. and also having a different narrative about _ also having a different narrative about tax. — also having a different narrative about tax, tax is a public good, it's not— about tax, tax is a public good, it's not about tax and spend as

everybody _ it's not about tax and spend as everybody throws at you, it's about what _ everybody throws at you, it's about what kind _ everybody throws at you, it's about what kind of society we want to live in. what kind of society we want to live in it _ what kind of society we want to live in it will— what kind of society we want to live in. it will cost to improve our... you _ in. it will cost to improve our... you won't — in. it will cost to improve our... you won't do _ in. it will cost to improve our... you won't do well in an election at the moment in a cost of living crisis if you so you will put up taxes. ., ., �* ~ .. �* taxes. you wouldn't. although i'm surrised taxes. you wouldn't. although i'm surprised about _ taxes. you wouldn't. although i'm surprised about the _ taxes. you wouldn't. although i'm surprised about the 1p _ taxes. you wouldn't. although i'm surprised about the 1p i'm - taxes. you wouldn't. although i'm surprised about the 1p i'm not - taxes. you wouldn't. although i'm surprised about the 1p i'm not so i surprised about the 1p i'm not so worried — surprised about the 1p i'm not so worried about it because i do think that is— worried about it because i do think that is something we are notjust going _ that is something we are notjust going to — that is something we are notjust going to hit the ordinary people who always— going to hit the ordinary people who always pay their taxes and proportionally pay more. but we really— proportionally pay more. but we really need to grasp this nettle and stop worrying about what the big newspaper barons are going to say about— newspaper barons are going to say about it _ newspaper barons are going to say about it and just say, look, we have to find _ about it and just say, look, we have to find the _ about it and just say, look, we have to find the money to do this. the whole _ to find the money to do this. the whole thing for me is about how do you spend — whole thing for me is about how do you spend money that is preventative? munirajust you spend money that is preventative? munira just said the point _ preventative? munira just said the point about social care and freeing up point about social care and freeing up beds _ point about social care and freeing up beds. we have to look more holistically, which governments traditionally have never done. look holistically, they tell local government to do it but don't do it

themselves, so that you recognise that. _ themselves, so that you recognise that. for— themselves, so that you recognise that, for example, my background is vouth _ that, for example, my background is youth work. — that, for example, my background is youth work, youth services have been decimated _ youth work, youth services have been decimated and then they have additional costs on the health services. _ additional costs on the health services, mental health services, on the police, _ services, mental health services, on the police, and we don't look at it in the _ the police, and we don't look at it in the round — the police, and we don't look at it in the round and that for me is the key prioritv — in the round and that for me is the key priority. the in the round and that for me is the key priority-— in the round and that for me is the key priority. the knock-on effects. so far, lib — key priority. the knock-on effects. so far, lib dems _ key priority. the knock-on effects. so far, lib dems ogogo. _ key priority. the knock-on effects. so far, lib dems ogogo. i'm - key priority. the knock-on effects. so far, lib dems ogogo. i'm goingj key priority. the knock-on effects. i so far, lib dems ogogo. i'm going to really use some texts who are not and might be a little bit critical in a second but it is a lib dems own on the phone in. and we are going to do this with the best represented political parties, the most represented at westminster. but let me ask you this. you are not included, munira, because you have to be careful as you walk on the eggshells. joshan is still there, ian, jill and eggshells. joshan is still there, ian, jilland linda. who wants eggshells. joshan is still there, ian, jill and linda. who wants to rejoin the european union? yeah. no cuestion. rejoin the european union? yeah. no question. absolutely, _ rejoin the european union? yeah. no question. absolutely, just _ rejoin the european union? yeah. no question. absolutely, just not - rejoin the european union? yeah. no question. absolutely, just not yet, i question. absolutely, 'ust not yet, we need to — question. absolutely, 'ust not yet,

we need to improve _ question. absolutely, just not yet, we need to improve our _ question. absolutely, just not yet, we need to improve our relations | question. absolutely, just not yet, i we need to improve our relations and that needs _ we need to improve our relations and that needs to be the goal. we need to have _ that needs to be the goal. we need to have a _ that needs to be the goal. we need to have a referendum. we lost. but yes, to have a referendum. we lost. but yes. it _ to have a referendum. we lost. but yes, it should be the goal. yes, ok. hana yes, it should be the goal. yes, ok. ham on yes, it should be the goal. yes, ok. hang on a — yes, it should be the goal. yes, ok. hang on a second, _ yes, it should be the goal. yes, ok. hang on a second, i _ yes, it should be the goal. yes, ok. hang on a second, iwill— yes, it should be the goal. yes, ok. hang on a second, i will come - yes, it should be the goal. yes, ok. hang on a second, i will come to - yes, it should be the goal. yes, ok. | hang on a second, i will come to you in a second, joshan. i'm interested in a second, joshan. i'm interested in exploring the yes they came straight out of the traps. hang on, we have some news to tell you let me just say the prime minister has been speaking on a visit to a community centre in broxburn in hertfordshire and he was asked about the armed police officers. we will address this in the second hour of the programme. he has been asked about armed police officers handing back their weapons permits. speculation that the manchester stretch of hs2 they be scrapped. two big new stories for today. let's hear what he said. . .. stories for today. let's hear what he said. , ,, ., stories for today. let's hear what he said. .~' ., ,, . ., ., he said. this kind of speculation --eole he said. this kind of speculation people are _ he said. this kind of speculation people are making _ he said. this kind of speculation people are making is _ he said. this kind of speculation people are making is not - he said. this kind of speculation people are making is not right, | he said. this kind of speculation i people are making is not right, we have spades on the ground and we are getting on it delivering but across

the north we are also connecting up the north we are also connecting up the towns and cities in the north, east to west, that's a really important part of how we will create jobs, drive growth across the region, or part of our plans to level up. the freeports are another good example, whether on teesside or elsewhere, attracting new investment, new businesses coming in, all good examples of the government are levelling up. mill government are levelling up. will armed police _ government are levelling up. will armed police get better legal protections as they carry out their job? protections as they carry out their “ob? ., ., ., , . , ., ., job? how are firearms officers do an incredible difficult _ job? how are firearms officers do an incredible difficult job, _ job? how are firearms officers do an incredible difficult job, they - job? how are firearms officers do an incredible difficult job, they are - incredible difficultjob, they are making life or death decisions in a split second to keep us safe and they deserve our gratitude for their bravery. it is important when they are using these legal powers that they do so with clarity and certainty about what they are doing, especially given the lethality they are using. that's why the home secretary has asked her department to review the guidance that the officers are operating under to make sure that it is robust and that it

commands the confidence notjust of the officers but of the public as well. obviously it wouldn't be right for me to speculate on ongoing cases but that's what we are doing. that is rishi sunak _ but that's what we are doing. that is rishi sunak talking about two massive new stories today and we will talk about the issue of armed police at ten o'clock on 5 live and on bbc sounds. our viewers will be watching bbc news on bbc two for the national and international news, thatis national and international news, that is at 10am right here. those are two massive issues we may well address in the next hour, as we discussed the lib dems. lib dems, how are you feeling? we were talking about brexit, i said rejoining how are you feeling? we were talking about brexit, isaid rejoining my dimension this phrase, jo swinson had this policy and phrase at the last election, i'm cleaning it up, bollards to two brexit. breakfast! i've heard that mistake before. who was it that said yes?—

i've heard that mistake before. who was it that said yes?- go - i've heard that mistake before. who was it that said yes? linda. go on, linda. a was it that said yes? linda. go on, linda- a sign _ was it that said yes? linda. go on, linda. a sign like _ was it that said yes? linda. go on, linda. a sign like it's _ was it that said yes? linda. go on, linda. a sign like it's been - was it that said yes? linda. go on, linda. a sign like it's been the - linda. a sign like it's been the greatest act of self harm this country has ever done to itself, it is a complete and utter nonsense and nobody who was a really pro—europe was in _ nobody who was a really pro—europe was in the _ nobody who was a really pro—europe was in the debate. very much the narrative. — was in the debate. very much the narrative, and especially obviously in the _ narrative, and especially obviously in the press was about how awful the eu is and _ in the press was about how awful the eu is and how it does this, that and the other — eu is and how it does this, that and the other. but eu is and how it does this, that and the other. �* . , ., ., , , the other. but the decision has been made. the decision _ the other. but the decision has been made. the decision has _ the other. but the decision has been made. the decision has been - the other. but the decision has been made. the decision has been made l the other. but the decision has been i made. the decision has been made and we aet made. the decision has been made and we net the made. the decision has been made and we get the choice _ made. the decision has been made and we get the choice every _ made. the decision has been made and we get the choice every four _ made. the decision has been made and we get the choice every four or - made. the decision has been made and we get the choice every four or five - we get the choice every four or five years. _ we get the choice every four or five years. or— we get the choice every four or five years, or however long, to make a decision _ years, or however long, to make a decision i— years, or however long, to make a decision. i don't see a problem with making _ decision. i don't see a problem with making a _ decision. i don't see a problem with making a different decision. we have made _ making a different decision. we have made a _ making a different decision. we have made a decision that is really harming _ made a decision that is really harming our children. how would it happen? _ harming our children. how would it ha en? ., harming our children. how would it ha en? .. i harming our children. how would it happen?_ i understand i harming our children. how would it i happen?_ i understand the happen? re'oining. i understand the olitical happen? rejoining. i understand the political sensitivities _ happen? rejoining. i understand the political sensitivities about _ political sensitivities about talking _ political sensitivities about talking about it at the moment and people _ talking about it at the moment and people don't want to talk about it and i_

people don't want to talk about it and i understand it because we have and i understand it because we have a cost _ and i understand it because we have a cost of _ and i understand it because we have a cost of living crisis and with it tackle — a cost of living crisis and with it tackle that _ a cost of living crisis and with it tackle that but part of the cost of living _ tackle that but part of the cost of living crisis is a result of that act of— living crisis is a result of that act of self—harm and we can't get away— act of self—harm and we can't get away from — act of self—harm and we can't get away from the. all the red tape and everything — away from the. all the red tape and everything people were told was going _ everything people were told was going out and now they find they have _ going out and now they find they have more — going out and now they find they have more of it, the impact it is having — have more of it, the impact it is having on— have more of it, the impact it is having on businesses. i understand the arguments. _ having on businesses. i understand the arguments. would _ having on businesses. i understand the arguments. would you - having on businesses. i understand the arguments. would you have . the arguments. would you have another referendum? i the arguments. would you have another referendum?— the arguments. would you have another referendum? i think you would have _ another referendum? i think you would have to _ another referendum? i think you would have to have _ another referendum? i think you would have to have another- would have to have another referendum, something like that where _ referendum, something like that where you have made the decision by referendum, you can't turn around and say— referendum, you can't turn around and say this— referendum, you can't turn around and say this time we are going to make _ and say this time we are going to make the — and say this time we are going to make the decision for you because you made — make the decision for you because you made the wrong decision, you can't _ you made the wrong decision, you can't do _ you made the wrong decision, you can't do that. i do think it would be different. a number of people, good _ be different. a number of people, good friends of mine, it isjust anecdotal, but who voted for brexit, who bitterly regret it now. i think there _ who bitterly regret it now. i think there are — who bitterly regret it now. i think there are lots of people like that who didn't really understand the issues _ who didn't really understand the issues because we didn't know a lot

about— issues because we didn't know a lot about the _ issues because we didn't know a lot about the eu and the only reason i knew— about the eu and the only reason i knew a _ about the eu and the only reason i knew a bit— about the eu and the only reason i knew a bit more about it was because obviously— knew a bit more about it was because obviously i'm — knew a bit more about it was because obviously i'm interested in the issue — obviously i'm interested in the issue and _ obviously i'm interested in the issue and politics. you obviously i'm interested in the issue and politics.— obviously i'm interested in the issue and politics. you see, how man of issue and politics. you see, how many of your — issue and politics. you see, how many of your friends _ issue and politics. you see, how many of your friends within - issue and politics. you see, how many of your friends within the l issue and politics. you see, how. many of your friends within the lib dems really think this? you are being very forthright with us here. quite a lot. when i was raised there were _ quite a lot. when i was raised there were issues— quite a lot. when i was raised there were issues around the eu raised in the conference hall yesterday and there _ the conference hall yesterday and there was — the conference hall yesterday and there was a lot of applause. i think obviously— there was a lot of applause. i think obviously it — there was a lot of applause. i think obviously it is stronger with the activists— obviously it is stronger with the activists than the parliamentary party~ _ activists than the parliamentary .a . ~ ., , activists than the parliamentary .a . , activists than the parliamentary party. may be the parliamentary ea party. may be the parliamentary -a will party. may be the parliamentary party will keep _ party. may be the parliamentary party will keep their _ party. may be the parliamentary party will keep their council - party. may be the parliamentary party will keep their council a i party will keep their council a little bit. ed davey said there are no plans currently, as i mentioned earlier, to rejoin the european union. ian, you expressed a vision. is it a dream or is it closer to...? the ultimate ambition is going to be to rejoin _ the ultimate ambition is going to be to rejoin if— the ultimate ambition is going to be to rejoin if you _ the ultimate ambition is going to be to rejoin. if you were _ the ultimate ambition is going to be to rejoin. if you were to _ the ultimate ambition is going to be to rejoin. if you were to turn - to rejoin. if you were to turn around — to rejoin. if you were to turn around and _ to rejoin. if you were to turn around and say _ to rejoin. if you were to turn around and say in _ to rejoin. if you were to turn around and say in the - to rejoin. if you were to turn around and say in the next l to rejoin. if you were to turn - around and say in the next election we will— around and say in the next election we will definitely— around and say in the next election we will definitelyjoin _ around and say in the next election we will definitelyjoin the _ around and say in the next election we will definitelyjoin the eu - we will definitelyjoin the eu straightaway. _ we will definitelyjoin the eu straightaway, i— we will definitelyjoin the eu straightaway, i think- we will definitelyjoin the eu straightaway, i think you - we will definitelyjoin the eu| straightaway, i think you will alienate _ straightaway, i think you will alienate a _ straightaway, i think you will alienate a lot _ straightaway, ! think you will alienate a lot of— straightaway, i think you will alienate a lot of people. - straightaway, i think you will| alienate a lot of people. they straightaway, i think you will - alienate a lot of people. they have made _ alienate a lot of people. they have made their— alienate a lot of people. they have made their choice, _ alienate a lot of people. they have made their choice, i—

alienate a lot of people. they have made their choice, i reckon - alienate a lot of people. they have made their choice, i reckon we - alienate a lot of people. they have. made their choice, i reckon we were misinformed. — made their choice, i reckon we were misinformed. but— made their choice, i reckon we were misinformed, but nonetheless- made their choice, i reckon we were misinformed, but nonetheless thatl misinformed, but nonetheless that was their— misinformed, but nonetheless that was their decision. _ misinformed, but nonetheless that was their decision. but _ misinformed, but nonetheless that was their decision. but in - misinformed, but nonetheless that was their decision. but in the - was their decision. but in the meantime _ was their decision. but in the meantime we _ was their decision. but in the meantime we can— was their decision. but in the meantime we can get- was their decision. but in the meantime we can get on- was their decision. but in the meantime we can get on and| was their decision. but in the - meantime we can get on and build bridges _ meantime we can get on and build bridges with — meantime we can get on and build bridges with europe, _ meantime we can get on and build bridges with europe, maybe - meantime we can get on and build bridges with europe, maybe join i meantime we can get on and build i bridges with europe, maybe join the common— bridges with europe, maybe join the common market— bridges with europe, maybe join the common market because _ bridges with europe, maybe join the common market because there - bridges with europe, maybe join the common market because there are i bridges with europe, maybe join the i common market because there are so many— common market because there are so many hits— common market because there are so many hits you — common market because there are so many hits you can— common market because there are so many bits you can join _ common market because there are so many bits you can join with _ many bits you can join with artificially— many bits you can join with artificiallyjoining _ many bits you can join with artificiallyjoining the - many bits you can join with artificiallyjoining the eu. l many bits you can join with . artificiallyjoining the eu. join artificially “oining the eu. join the artificially 'oining the eu. join the single— artificiallyjoining the eu. the single market, you artificiallyjoining the eum the single market, you mean? artificially joining the eu. join - the single market, you mean? of the sinule the single market, you mean? of the single market. _ the single market, you mean? of the single market, rejoin _ the single market, you mean? of the single market, rejoin catchment - single market, rejoin catchment horizon. — single market, rejoin catchment horizon. and _ single market, rejoin catchment horizon, and there _ single market, rejoin catchment horizon, and there are - single market, rejoin catchment horizon, and there are other. single market, rejoin catchment- horizon, and there are other schemes we could _ horizon, and there are other schemes we could rejoin — horizon, and there are other schemes we could rejoin and _ horizon, and there are other schemes we could rejoin and perhaps- horizon, and there are other schemes we could rejoin and perhaps it - horizon, and there are other schemes we could rejoin and perhaps it wouldl we could rejoin and perhaps it would be time _ we could rejoin and perhaps it would be time to— we could rejoin and perhaps it would be time to demonstrate _ we could rejoin and perhaps it would be time to demonstrate the - we could rejoin and perhaps it would be time to demonstrate the good . we could rejoin and perhaps it would. be time to demonstrate the good that our european — be time to demonstrate the good that our european neighbours— be time to demonstrate the good that our european neighbours did - be time to demonstrate the good that our european neighbours did for- be time to demonstrate the good that our european neighbours did for us, i our european neighbours did for us, really _ our european neighbours did for us, really i_ our european neighbours did for us, really ithink— our european neighbours did for us, really. i think one _ our european neighbours did for us, really. i think one of— our european neighbours did for us, really. i think one of the _ our european neighbours did for us, really. i think one of the reasons . really. i think one of the reasons why we _ really. i think one of the reasons why we lost— really. i think one of the reasons why we lost the _ really. i think one of the reasons why we lost the referendum - really. i think one of the reasons why we lost the referendum was| why we lost the referendum was nobody — why we lost the referendum was nobody seem _ why we lost the referendum was nobody seem to _ why we lost the referendum was nobody seem to know— why we lost the referendum was nobody seem to know what - why we lost the referendum was nobody seem to know what the i why we lost the referendum was i nobody seem to know what the eu why we lost the referendum was - nobody seem to know what the eu was doin- nobody seem to know what the eu was doing in— nobody seem to know what the eu was doing in our— nobody seem to know what the eu was doing in our country. _ nobody seem to know what the eu was doing in our country. it _ nobody seem to know what the eu was doing in our country. it was _ nobody seem to know what the eu was doing in our country. it wasjust- doing in our country. it wasjust the bad — doing in our country. it wasjust the bad news _ doing in our country. it wasjust the bad news coming _ doing in our country. it wasjust the bad news coming out. - doing in our country. it was 'ust the bad news coming out. munira, are ou tearin: the bad news coming out. munira, are you tearing your _ the bad news coming out. munira, are you tearing your hair _ the bad news coming out. munira, are you tearing your hair out _ the bad news coming out. munira, are you tearing your hair out here? - the bad news coming out. munira, are you tearing your hair out here? some | you tearing your hair out here? some people say this did for you at the last election. you activists have spoken. you want to join the european union. i’m spoken. you want to 'oin the european union._ spoken. you want to 'oin the european union. spoken. you want to 'oin the euroean union. �* ., ., , european union. i'm not tearing my hair out at all. _ european union. i'm not tearing my hair out at all. you _ european union. i'm not tearing my hair out at all. you are _ european union. i'm not tearing my hair out at all. you are speaking - european union. i'm not tearing my hair out at all. you are speaking to | hair out at all. you are speaking to liberal democrat members and activists and supporters. we are an internationalist, passionately pro—european party. 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re'oin at pro-european party. do you want to rejoin at some — pro-european party. do you want to rejoin at some stage? _ pro-european party. do you want to rejoin at some stage? i'm _ pro-european party. do you want to rejoin at some stage? i'm not - rejoin at some stage? i'm not surprised _ rejoin at some stage? i'm not surprised at — rejoin at some stage? i'm not surprised at all— rejoin at some stage? i'm not surprised at all to _ rejoin at some stage? i'm not surprised at all to hear - rejoin at some stage? i'm not surprised at all to hear that i rejoin at some stage? i'm not i surprised at all to hear that from activists. as ianjust said... surprised at all to hear that from activists. as ian just said... activists. as ian 'ust said... would ou like activists. as ian 'ust said... would you like to — activists. as ian just said. .. would you like to rejoin _ activists. as ian just said. .. would you like to rejoin at _ activists. as ian just said. .. would you like to rejoin at some - activists. as ian just said. .. would you like to rejoin at some stage? l activists. as ian just said. .. would you like to rejoin at some stage? i want us to be back at the heart of europe but that is going to take a long time. the conservative party... it is a yes or a no. would you like at some stage to rejoin the european union? it at some stage to re'oin the european union? . . at some stage to re'oin the european union? , ., ., . ., , ., union? it is laid out clearly in our pre-manifesto, _ union? it is laid out clearly in our pre-manifesto, ultimately i union? it is laid out clearly in our pre-manifesto, ultimately in i union? it is laid out clearly in our pre-manifesto, ultimately in the | pre—manifesto, ultimately in the long term that is the ambition of the liberal democrats. however, as ian stated, at the moment that relationship is so broken and it has been so damaged by the botched brexit deal negotiated by this conservative party that we have to take it in a stepwise approach and we want to rebuild that trust and rebuild that relationship. i'm delighted we are finally back in the horizon programme, we need to look at things like erasmus, putting in place agreements that will cut the red tape to tackle the cost of

living crisis. we have laid out a clear four stage plan and that's the most pro—european plan of any of the parties. most pro-european plan of any of the arties. . , most pro-european plan of any of the arties. , , ,, ., parties. interestingly, keir starmer is makin: parties. interestingly, keir starmer is making inroads. _ parties. interestingly, keir starmer is making inroads. no, _ parties. interestingly, keir starmer is making inroads. no, keir- parties. interestingly, keir starmer| is making inroads. no, keir starmer and his party- _ is making inroads. no, keir starmer and his party. don't _ is making inroads. no, keir starmer and his party. don't like _ is making inroads. no, keir starmer and his party. don't like him - is making inroads. no, keir starmer and his party. don't like him off, i and his party. don't like him off, ou and his party. don't like him off, you could _ and his party. don't like him off, you could be _ and his party. don't like him off, you could be in _ and his party. don't like him off, you could be in government i and his party. don't like him off, you could be in government with and his party. don't like him off, i you could be in government with him. keir starmer and his members walked through the division lobbies in favour of the botched brexit deal and laid out some woolly ideas about how we could rebuild a relationship. the liberal democrats have laid out a clear four the liberal democrats have laid out a clearfour stage plan that the liberal democrats have laid out a clear four stage plan that would rebuild the relationship to take us back into the heart of europe because we are the most pro—european. because we are the most pro-european.— because we are the most pro-european. because we are the most --ro-euroean. . ~' ., ., . pro-european. thank you for that. we have junaid in — pro-european. thank you for that. we have junaid in fulham _ pro-european. thank you for that. we have junaid in fulham on _ pro-european. thank you for that. we have junaid in fulham on this - pro-european. thank you for that. we have junaid in fulham on this issue. i havejunaid in fulham on this issue. there was another call coming up, madeleine on a ship to belfast. how lovely. junaid, what would you like to say? a lib dem member, junaid. good morning. yes indeed. i

understand where the lady, i figure her name, the mp, is coming from. munira wilson?— her name, the mp, is coming from. munira wilson? yes. my own thoughts are the liberal— munira wilson? yes. my own thoughts are the liberal democrats _ munira wilson? yes. my own thoughts are the liberal democrats need i munira wilson? yes. my own thoughts are the liberal democrats need to i munira wilson? yes. my own thoughts are the liberal democrats need to be l are the liberal democrats need to be clearer, i realise she is saying labour have a woolly message. iclear labour have a woolly message. clear on what? clear— labour have a woolly message. clear on what? clear on _ labour have a woolly message. clear on what? clear on where _ labour have a woolly message. clear on what? clear on where we - labour have a woolly message. clear on what? clear on where we are i labour have a woolly message. clearl on what? clear on where we are going to stand on — on what? clear on where we are going to stand on brexit _ on what? clear on where we are going to stand on brexit and _ on what? clear on where we are going to stand on brexit and whether i on what? clear on where we are going to stand on brexit and whether they i to stand on brexit and whether they will be a referendum in the future because at some point there would need to be a referendum for us to rejoin. obviously after a renegotiated agreement with the european union. a lot of people are in favour of the single market but the sticking issue and the last referendum was the question of freedom of movement. so there has to be some sort of qualifications to freedom of movement in the sense that if you want to come here to

work or to live or to study you need to apply. work or to live or to study you need to a- -l . . . work or to live or to study you need to a- -l . , , ., work or to live or to study you need toa-el. ,, ., ., to apply. this is the deal that david cameron _ to apply. this is the deal that david cameron tried - to apply. this is the deal that david cameron tried to i to apply. this is the deal that i david cameron tried to negotiate to apply. this is the deal that - david cameron tried to negotiate and came back saying we got a great deal but lots of people said it was a dodgy deal and then on that basis he risked the farm and he called a referendum. it's interesting hearing from you guys that it is a long—term ambition, if not a shorter term ambition. let's bring in a bbc political correspondent in bournemouth. hello, pete. i bournemouth. hello, pete. hello. i don't know— bournemouth. hello, pete. hello. i don't know if— bournemouth. hello, pete. hello. i don't know if you _ bournemouth. hello, pete. hello. i don't know if you are _ bournemouth. hello, pete. hello. i don't know if you are listening, i bournemouth. hello, pete. hello i don't know if you are listening, we are unto brexit, it is like the old days. it is more than a member, we are hearing a lot from the activists ending sooner rather than later we need to be back in.— need to be back in. absolutely and walkin: need to be back in. absolutely and walking around _ need to be back in. absolutely and walking around the _ need to be back in. absolutely and walking around the conference i need to be back in. absolutely and i walking around the conference centre there are lots of people wearing rejoin badges, stickers, t—shirts,

i've seen a few eu flags around the place. they really do still proudly believe, as you have been hearing, that britain should be in the european union. there is this tension between the top of the party and those activists. at the top, ed davey, as you have said, now isn't really the time to be rejoining, it is currently off the table, it is a long—term ambition and lots of them are so frustrated, they want to go back straightaway. there were hackles of ed davey in the conference floor yesterday. he was doing a question and answer session and he said, look, we are sort of doing what we can to get back towards our friends and neighbours on the continent and somebody shouted, "no, you're not," at the back of the room. this is about politics. yes, they can win back former conservative voters in commuter belt seats but the liberal democrats want to win back seats in

parts of the country that voted to leave, the south—west of england in particular. it always used to be a stronghold for them and to illustrate the point the lib dems have been handing out these blue walls to journalists, have been handing out these blue walls tojournalists, miniature blue walls tojournalists, miniature blue walls with their orange hammers and they obviously want to knock down they obviously want to knock down the blue wall across the country and their stance on brexit is very much part of it. i their stance on brexit is very much art of it. .. their stance on brexit is very much art of it. ~' .,. ., part of it. i like the action. if an one part of it. i like the action. if anyone was _ part of it. i like the action. if anyone was listening - part of it. i like the action. if anyone was listening on i part of it. i like the action. if anyone was listening on the | part of it. i like the action. if i anyone was listening on the radio you missed something quite wonderful from pete with a blue wall and a yellowhammer. the big issues, dropping a penny on income tax for the nhs and social care, and seemingly going back on their pledge on house—building. they had said the party were considering, well, they have said they would build 380,000 new homes in england a year in england and they have reneged on that, some say. the

england and they have reneged on that. some say-— that, some say. the liberal democrats _ that, some say. the liberal democrats don't _ that, some say. the liberal. democrats don't have blazing that, some say. the liberal- democrats don't have blazing rows in the same way the other two main parties do across the uk. i the same way the other two main parties do across the uk.- parties do across the uk. i have noticed. there _ parties do across the uk. i have noticed. there is _ parties do across the uk. i have noticed. there is tension i parties do across the uk. i have noticed. there is tension over l noticed. there is tension over housina noticed. there is tension over housing this _ noticed. there is tension over housing this afternoon. i noticed. there is tension over housing this afternoon. there j noticed. there is tension over i housing this afternoon. there will be a vote on one of the things they hoped to be in the manifesto which is scrapping top—down housing targets and replacing them with a commitment to building more social housing, they believe that's the right way to go about things, to provide homes at the lower end for people who can't afford to rent in the private sector. the youth wing of the party are not best pleased about this, young people finding it difficult to get onto the housing ladder so they have put forward this amendment. i've been told the vote later on will be very close indeed. the top of the party are pretty concerned about that.- the top of the party are pretty concerned about that. thank you very much indeed- — concerned about that. thank you very much indeed. there _ concerned about that. thank you very much indeed. there he _ concerned about that. thank you very much indeed. there he is, _ concerned about that. thank you very much indeed. there he is, pete i concerned about that. thank you very much indeed. there he is, pete from| much indeed. there he is, pete from bournemouth. some text, lib dems have some excellent plans for the

gap the country but it's their obsession with rejoining the eu that prevents me and no doubt countless others from voting for them. that policy, that suggestion, that aspiration has different support, as we heard from pete in different parts of the country. i work in the fashion trade in four years we have been working on sustainability and the climate, lib dems' fast fashion policy is nonsense, already done by the fashion trade itself, that's from will greenwood. thank you, neil. the lib dems can't win loads of seats but it only matters if there is a hung parliament and in there is a hung parliament and in the event of a hung parliament there is no chance they are letting the tories back in. to have no negotiating power with labour. that is from george in the north. and here is, as i said, madeleine on a ship to belfast. hello, madelyn.

what would you like to say? hello. good morning- _ what would you like to say? hello. good morning. good _ what would you like to say? hello. good morning. good morning. i what would you like to say? hello. | good morning. good morning. what what would you like to say? hello. i good morning. good morning. what is our oint? good morning. good morning. what is your point? my — good morning. good morning. what is your point? my point _ good morning. good morning. what is your point? my point is _ good morning. good morning. what is your point? my point is that _ good morning. good morning. what is your point? my point is that ed - your point? my point is that ed davey has _ your point? my point is that ed davey has made _ your point? my point is that ed davey has made some - your point? my point is that ed i davey has made some grandiose statements which sound perfect about how to get rid of bed blockers by providing everybody with a carer when they get home from hospital. it sounds lovely we laid out a policy earlier this year— we laid out a policy earlier this year to— we laid out a policy earlier this year to boost the pay for carers. but is _ year to boost the pay for carers. but is freedom of movement not the point that we are hearing from madeline? bring it back. sorry, we have a ship — madeline? bring it back. sorry, we have a ship announcement. - madeline? bring it back. sorry, we have a ship announcement. don't i have a ship announcement. don't worry about _ have a ship announcement. don't worry about that. _ have a ship announcement. don't worry about that. freedom - have a ship announcement. don't worry about that. freedom of - worry about that. freedom of movement, carers, eastern europe? figs movement, carers, eastern europe? as you pointed out, the impact of brexit— you pointed out, the impact of brexit has_ you pointed out, the impact of brexit has meant that our health and care service — brexit has meant that our health and care service has struggled and that

is one _ care service has struggled and that is one of— care service has struggled and that is one of the reasons we have pushed for the _ is one of the reasons we have pushed for the government to have a visa route _ for the government to have a visa route irr— for the government to have a visa route in place for health care workers _ route in place for health care workers. we need that in more and more _ workers. we need that in more and more sectors because of the workforce shortages we have across the economy, whether that is the public— the economy, whether that is the public sector or the private sector. thank _ public sector or the private sector. thank you — public sector or the private sector. thank you very much. let's do a quick one withjoshan, who is on the younger side in london. just graduated from a masters in finance and is a member. what do you think about the party considering dropping this pledge to build 380,000 new homes a year in england? it seems that they might be thinking less about young people getting on the ladder and more about nimbys looking out of their window.— out of their window. voters know that to s out of their window. voters know that toys have — out of their window. voters know that toys have never _ out of their window. voters know that toys have never been - out of their window. voters know that toys have never been the . out of their window. voters know i that toys have never been the party of young _ that toys have never been the party of young people _ that toys have never been the party of young people. with _ that toys have never been the party of young people. with the - that toys have never been the party of young people. with the labour. of young people. with the labour party— of young people. with the labour party on— of young people. with the labour party on a — of young people. with the labour party on a socially— of young people. with the labour party on a socially conservative . party on a socially conservative turn, _ party on a socially conservative turn, they _ party on a socially conservative turn, theyare _ party on a socially conservative turn, they are also _ party on a socially conservative turn, they are also turning - party on a socially conservative | turn, they are also turning their

backs _ turn, they are also turning their backs on — turn, they are also turning their backs on young _ turn, they are also turning their backs on young people. - turn, they are also turning their backs on young people. so - turn, they are also turning their backs on young people. so thel backs on young people. so the liherai— backs on young people. so the liberal democrats _ backs on young people. so the liberal democrats have - backs on young people. so the liberal democrats have a - backs on young people. so the i liberal democrats have a massive opportunity— liberal democrats have a massive opportunity to— liberal democrats have a massive opportunity to capture _ liberal democrats have a massive opportunity to capture this - liberal democrats have a massive opportunity to capture this young | opportunity to capture this young vote, _ opportunity to capture this young vote, but— opportunity to capture this young vote, but we _ opportunity to capture this young vote, but we need _ opportunity to capture this young vote, but we need to _ opportunity to capture this young vote, but we need to be - opportunity to capture this young vote, but we need to be bold. . opportunity to capture this young | vote, but we need to be bold. we have _ vote, but we need to be bold. we have been— vote, but we need to be bold. we have been bowled _ vote, but we need to be bold. we have been bowled on _ vote, but we need to be bold. we have been bowled on the - vote, but we need to be bold. we have been bowled on the climatel have been bowled on the climate crisis _ have been bowled on the climate crisis and — have been bowled on the climate crisis and lgbt_ have been bowled on the climate crisis and lgbt rights. _ have been bowled on the climate crisis and lgbt rights. and - have been bowled on the climate crisis and lgbt rights. and our. crisis and lgbt rights. and our party— crisis and lgbt rights. and our party can— crisis and lgbt rights. and our party can he _ crisis and lgbt rights. and our party can be bold _ crisis and lgbt rights. and our party can be bold on _ crisis and lgbt rights. and our party can be bold on this. - crisis and lgbt rights. and our party can be bold on this. i- crisis and lgbt rights. and our. party can be bold on this. i hope the party— party can be bold on this. i hope the party vote _ party can be bold on this. i hope the party vote to _ party can be bold on this. i hope the party vote to keep _ party can be bold on this. i hope the party vote to keep housing l the party vote to keep housing targets, — the party vote to keep housing targets, hut— the party vote to keep housing targets, but it's _ the party vote to keep housing targets, but it's about - the party vote to keep housing| targets, but it's about practical policies — targets, but it's about practical policies to— targets, but it's about practical policies to deliver— targets, but it's about practical policies to deliver the - targets, but it's about practical policies to deliver the housing| targets, but it's about practical. policies to deliver the housing we need _ policies to deliver the housing we need i_ policies to deliver the housing we need i have _ policies to deliver the housing we need. i have put _ policies to deliver the housing we need. i have put forward - policies to deliver the housing we need. i have put forward an- need. i have put forward an amendment— need. i have put forward an amendment to— need. i have put forward an amendment to the - need. i have put forward an amendment to the housing| need. i have put forward an- amendment to the housing motion later today— amendment to the housing motion later today to _ amendment to the housing motion later today to talk— amendment to the housing motion later today to talk about _ amendment to the housing motionl later today to talk about community landlord _ later today to talk about community landlord chip. — later today to talk about community landlord chip. a _ later today to talk about community landlord chip, a practical— later today to talk about community landlord chip, a practical policy- later today to talk about community landlord chip, a practical policy to l landlord chip, a practical policy to -et landlord chip, a practical policy to get communities— landlord chip, a practical policy to get communities to _ landlord chip, a practical policy to get communities to back- landlord chip, a practical policy to - get communities to back development in their— get communities to back development in their area _ get communities to back development in theirarea hy— get communities to back development in their area by giving _ get communities to back development in their area by giving a _ get communities to back development in their area by giving a value - in their area by giving a value uplift — in their area by giving a value uplift of— in their area by giving a value uplift of the _ in their area by giving a value uplift of the land _ in their area by giving a value uplift of the land so - in their area by giving a value uplift of the land so they- in their area by giving a value uplift of the land so they can| uplift of the land so they can invest — uplift of the land so they can invest in— uplift of the land so they can invest in the _ uplift of the land so they can invest in the infrastructure . uplift of the land so they can i invest in the infrastructure that uplift of the land so they can - invest in the infrastructure that we often _ invest in the infrastructure that we often hear — invest in the infrastructure that we often hear is — invest in the infrastructure that we often hear is the _ invest in the infrastructure that we often hear is the issue. _ invest in the infrastructure that we often hear is the issue. liberal- often hear is the issue. liberal democrats _ often hear is the issue. liberal democrats know _ often hear is the issue. liberal democrats know a _ often hear is the issue. liberal democrats know a communityl often hear is the issue. liberal- democrats know a community approach is the _ democrats know a community approach is the only— democrats know a community approach is the only way— democrats know a community approach is the only way to — democrats know a community approach is the only way to get _ democrats know a community approach is the only way to get houses _ democrats know a community approach is the only way to get houses built - is the only way to get houses built and i_ is the only way to get houses built and i hope — is the only way to get houses built and i hope we _ is the only way to get houses built and i hope we therefore _ is the only way to get houses built and i hope we therefore backed i is the only way to get houses builtl and i hope we therefore backed the motion _ and i hope we therefore backed the motion for— and i hope we therefore backed the motion for this— and i hope we therefore backed the motion for this community - and i hope we therefore backed the motion for this community led - motion for this community led approach _ motion for this community led a- roach. . ~' ,, motion for this community led approach-— motion for this community led a--roach. . , , , approach. thank you. the lib dems, how are you — approach. thank you. the lib dems, how are you feeling? _ approach. thank you. the lib dems, how are you feeling? 08085 - approach. thank you. the lib dems, | how are you feeling? 08085 909693. the texts are interesting. lots of

criticism on the texts. we are keeping it to a lib dem zone on the phones, which is what we do. we will do the same with the labour party and the conservatives and the snp. a couple of texts — lib dems, a load of useless wets. also, the lib dems are just yellow tories. lib dems, how are you feeling? more to come. now the news with lisa mccormick. the head of scotland yard, sir mark rowley, is calling for stronger legal protection for firearms officers — saying some are more afraid of the law than confronting dangerous criminals. around 100 officers have refused to carry weapons after a collegue was charged with murder over a shooting in south london last year. the labour mayor of greater manchester, andy burnham, says he's writing to rishi sunak this morning to urge him not to scrap the hs2

high speed railway. ministers say they can't write an "open ended cheque" to extend the line beyond birmingham. thousands of university students are facing disruption as staff at more than 50 universities begin a five day strike. it is part of a long—running dispute by members of the university and college union over pay and conditions. screenwriters and producers in hollywood say they've reached a tentative deal to end a strike of nearly five months over pay and concerns about artificial intelligence. but production won't be able to resume as a separate dispute involving actors is continuing. now the sport. former premier league goalkeeper brad freidel�*s told the bbc it's clear that david raya is arsenal's number one stopper and that he expects aaron ramsdale to leave the club next summer. raya started for the third game in a row as arsenal were held to a 2—2 draw with tottenham in the north london derby. ramsdale was first choice through last season. eddie howe says he struggled

to remember who scored for his newcastle side as they trounced sheffield united 8—0 at bramall lane — eight different goalscorers is a premier league record. liverpool are up to 2nd after beating west ham 3—1. warren gatland says you get what you deserve as his wales side booked their spot in the rugby world cup quarter finals following a record 40—6 win over australia — it leaves the wallabies on the brink of exiting the tournament. and europe's solheim cup captain suzanne petterson's told us she was very honoured to lead such a young team in spain — they retained the trophy after a dramatic 14—14 draw with the us — it's now the third occasion in a row that theyve lifted that they've lifted the trophy.

at ten o'clock on bbc two and bbc news, they will be looking at the latest national and international news. we are going to be discussing this, and if you have experience in this, and if you have experience in this area, it will be valuable to hear from you. this area, it will be valuable to hearfrom you. more this area, it will be valuable to hear from you. more than 100 this area, it will be valuable to hearfrom you. more than 100 met police officers have stood down from firearms duties voluntarily. it's after an officer was charged with the murder of an unarmed man. he died after a police operation in south london on the 5th of september last year. he was hit by a gunshot fired by a met police officer into the car he was driving. he died in hospital the following day. in a statement, the met said some officers were worried about how the charging decision against officers

impacts on them. legally, of course, we can't get into the details of the case, but we can talk about the issues that the situation raises. do armed police need protecting? if you have worked in that area, send us a text, come on the radio. anonymity, if necessary, is fine. home secretary suella braverman has called for a review. she says officers have to make split—second decisions under extraordinary pressures. met police commissioner sir mark rowley says it's right that his forces held to the high standards but the current system was undermining his officers. he suggests more legal protections are needed. how do we make sure armed officers are able to use those weapons, potentially lethally, when necessary without fear? that is at ten on the radio.

munira wilson is the mp for twickenham and we are talking about the lib dems. do you have sympathy with the officers who have effectively walked out, the armed officers? , ., ., . , , officers? they do an incredibly difficult job — officers? they do an incredibly difficult job day _ officers? they do an incredibly difficult job day in, _ officers? they do an incredibly difficult job day in, day - officers? they do an incredibly difficult job day in, day out - officers? they do an incredibly| difficult job day in, day out and difficultjob day in, day out and put their lives on the line. i can understand why they are calling for a review of the policies. the situation needs to be urgently sorted out. clearly, the rule of law and protecting londoners is critical. so i hope the mayor of london and the home secretary are working hard together to make sure we can get the firearms officers back to work. we need to review the policies so they can be clear on how

they can go about theirjobs... haifa they can go about their 'obs. .. how can ou they can go about their 'obs. .. how can you be — they can go about their 'obs. .. how can you be crearh they can go about theirjobs... how can you be clear when it is a split—second decision? l’m can you be clear when it is a split-second decision? i'm not an exert in split-second decision? i'm not an expert in this _ split-second decision? i'm not an expert in this area, _ split-second decision? i'm not an expert in this area, but _ split-second decision? i'm not an expert in this area, but i - split-second decision? i'm not an expert in this area, but i know . split-second decision? i'm not an | expert in this area, but i know the met commissioner is asking for a review into this area. if that is what is necessary to provide more clarity, what we can't have happening is politicians interfering in individual prosecution decisions. thank you for your comments. lib dems, how are you feeling? joshan is still with us. we have james and ian andjill coming up. quite a still with us. we have james and ian and jill coming up. quite a few are expressing that they wish to rejoin the european union. the texts have gone brexit bonkers stop it was ever thus. ade, you are a lib dem member and councillor. the

thus. ade, you are a lib dem member and councillor.— and councillor. the main thing to sa about and councillor. the main thing to say about the — and councillor. the main thing to say about the liberal— and councillor. the main thing to say about the liberal democrats| and councillor. the main thing to. say about the liberal democrats is that things — say about the liberal democrats is that things are _ say about the liberal democrats is that things are very _ say about the liberal democrats is that things are very positive. - say about the liberal democrats is that things are very positive. we l that things are very positive. we are in— that things are very positive. we are in winning _ that things are very positive. we are in winning mode _ that things are very positive. we are in winning mode and - that things are very positive. we i are in winning mode and optimistic. we are _ are in winning mode and optimistic. we are taking — are in winning mode and optimistic. we are taking the _ are in winning mode and optimistic. we are taking the fight _ are in winning mode and optimistic. we are taking the fight out - are in winning mode and optimistic. we are taking the fight out there i are in winning mode and optimistic. we are taking the fight out there in| we are taking the fight out there in the constituencies _ we are taking the fight out there in the constituencies where _ we are taking the fight out there in the constituencies where we - we are taking the fight out there in the constituencies where we are i the constituencies where we are strong — the constituencies where we are strong as— the constituencies where we are strong. as munira _ the constituencies where we are strong. as munira said, - the constituencies where we are strong. as munira said, we - the constituencies where we are strong. as munira said, we are. the constituencies where we are . strong. as munira said, we are well known _ strong. as munira said, we are well known for— strong. as munira said, we are well known for representing _ strong. as munira said, we are well known for representing local - strong. as munira said, we are well. known for representing local people, and people _ known for representing local people, and people are — known for representing local people, and people are now— known for representing local people, and people are now realising - known for representing local people, and people are now realising that. known for representing local people, and people are now realising that we are the _ and people are now realising that we are the real— and people are now realising that we are the real alternative _ and people are now realising that we are the real alternative to _ and people are now realising that we are the real alternative to the - are the real alternative to the usual— are the real alternative to the usual labour— are the real alternative to the usual labour and _ are the real alternative to the | usual labour and conservative dogfight _ usual labour and conservative douufiht. �* ,., usual labour and conservative douufiht. �* ., dogfight. and if there is a dogfight between the _ dogfight. and if there is a dogfight between the liberal _ dogfight. and if there is a dogfight between the liberal democrats - dogfight. and if there is a dogfight | between the liberal democrats and the conservatives in around 50 constituencies where you are second, off the top of my head, do you think labour should basically stand down, or not focus so much on that campaign, and vice versa? irate

or not focus so much on that campaign, and vice versa? we are not talkin: campaign, and vice versa? we are not talking about — campaign, and vice versa? we are not talking about election _ campaign, and vice versa? we are not talking about election pacts _ campaign, and vice versa? we are not talking about election pacts here. - talking about election pacts here. but i _ talking about election pacts here. but lam — talking about election pacts here. but lam a — talking about election pacts here. but i am a local— talking about election pacts here. but i am a local councillor- talking about election pacts here. but i am a local councillor in - but i am a local councillor in solihull _ but i am a local councillor in solihull i_ but i am a local councillor in solihull. i have _ but i am a local councillor in solihull. i have studied - but i am a local councillor in solihull. i have studied in. solihull. i have studied in parliament _ solihull. i have studied in parliament in— solihull. i have studied in parliament in solihull- solihull. i have studied in parliament in solihull a l solihull. i have studied in- parliament in solihull a couple of times _ parliament in solihull a couple of times and — parliament in solihull a couple of times and it _ parliament in solihull a couple of times. and it is _ parliament in solihull a couple of times. and it is clear— parliament in solihull a couple of times. and it is clear that - parliament in solihull a couple of times. and it is clear that in - parliament in solihull a couple ofl times. and it is clear that in seats like solihull. _ times. and it is clear that in seats like solihull, labour— times. and it is clear that in seats like solihull, labour have - times. and it is clear that in seats like solihull, labour have no - times. and it is clear that in seats. like solihull, labour have no chance of winning — like solihull, labour have no chance of winning the _ like solihull, labour have no chance of winning. the liberal— like solihull, labour have no chance of winning. the liberal democrats l of winning. the liberal democrats have _ of winning. the liberal democrats have won — of winning. the liberal democrats have won this _ of winning. the liberal democrats have won this seat _ of winning. the liberal democrats have won this seat in _ of winning. the liberal democrats have won this seat in the - of winning. the liberal democrats have won this seat in the past - of winning. the liberal democrats have won this seat in the past and it is to _ have won this seat in the past and it is to everybody's _ have won this seat in the past and it is to everybody's advantage - have won this seat in the past and| it is to everybody's advantage that the liberal— it is to everybody's advantage that the liberal democrats _ it is to everybody's advantage that the liberal democrats win - it is to everybody's advantage that the liberal democrats win this - it is to everybody's advantage thati the liberal democrats win this seat again— the liberal democrats win this seat again because _ the liberal democrats win this seat again because even _ the liberal democrats win this seat again because even local— the liberal democrats win this seat again because even local people i the liberal democrats win this seati again because even local people are saying. _ again because even local people are saying. we — again because even local people are saying. we are — again because even local people are saying. we are fed _ again because even local people are saying, we are fed up— again because even local people are saying, we are fed up of— again because even local people are saying, we are fed up of the - saying, we are fed up of the conservatives. _ saying, we are fed up of the conservatives. so _ saying, we are fed up of the conservatives.— saying, we are fed up of the conservatives. , , , conservatives. so when the lib dems have no chance _ conservatives. so when the lib dems have no chance of _ conservatives. so when the lib dems have no chance of winning, _ conservatives. so when the lib dems have no chance of winning, they - have no chance of winning, they should basically step back for labour? , ., , ., , ., labour? the liberal democrats are not labour? the liberal democrats are rrot stepping _ labour? the liberal democrats are not stepping back. _ labour? the liberal democrats are not stepping back. we _ labour? the liberal democrats are not stepping back. we fight - labour? the liberal democrats are not stepping back. we fight the - not stepping back. we fight the battles — not stepping back. we fight the battles we _ not stepping back. we fight the battles we can _ not stepping back. we fight the battles we can win. _ not stepping back. we fight the battles we can win. we - not stepping back. we fight the battles we can win. we stand . battles we can win. we stand candidates _ battles we can win. we stand candidates in _ battles we can win. we stand candidates in as _ battles we can win. we stand candidates in as many- battles we can win. we stand candidates in as many seatsl battles we can win. we stand i candidates in as many seats as possible. — candidates in as many seats as possible. but— candidates in as many seats as possible, but we _ candidates in as many seats as possible, but we are _ candidates in as many seats as possible, but we are not - candidates in as many seats as possible, but we are not goingj candidates in as many seats as . possible, but we are not going to waste _ possible, but we are not going to waste our— possible, but we are not going to waste our time _ possible, but we are not going to waste our time going _ possible, but we are not going to waste our time going to-

possible, but we are not going to waste our time going to fight- possible, but we are not going to waste our time going to fight in. waste our time going to fight in birmingham _ waste our time going to fight in birmingham handsworth. - waste our time going to fight in birmingham handsworth. but. waste our time going to fight in| birmingham handsworth. but in waste our time going to fight in. birmingham handsworth. but in a place _ birmingham handsworth. but in a place like — birmingham handsworth. but in a place like solihull, _ place like solihull, - stratford—upon—avon, place like solihull, _ stratford—upon—avon, places where we are strong, _ stratford—upon—avon, places where we are strong, it's — stratford—upon—avon, places where we are strong, it's clear— stratford—upon—avon, places where we are strong, it's clear that _ stratford—upon—avon, places where we are strong, it's clear that we _ stratford—upon—avon, places where we are strong, it's clear that we are - are strong, it's clear that we are the alternatives _ are strong, it's clear that we are the alternatives to _ are strong, it's clear that we are the alternatives to the _ are strong, it's clear that we are| the alternatives to the unpopular conservative _ the alternatives to the unpopular conservative government. - the alternatives to the unpopular conservative government.- the alternatives to the unpopular conservative government. thank you. james in a village _ conservative government. thank you. james in a village outside _ conservative government. thank you. james in a village outside king's - james in a village outside king's lynn, you are a former lib dem voter. you have been exercised by some of the things you are hearing about brexit? that some of the things you are hearing about brexit?— some of the things you are hearing about brexit? at the end of the day, we had the biggest _ about brexit? at the end of the day, we had the biggest democratic - about brexit? at the end of the day, we had the biggest democratic vote| we had the biggest democratic vote ever in— we had the biggest democratic vote ever in this — we had the biggest democratic vote ever in this country, _ we had the biggest democratic vote ever in this country, and _ we had the biggest democratic vote ever in this country, and the - ever in this country, and the liberal— ever in this country, and the liberal party, _ ever in this country, and the liberal party, because - ever in this country, and the liberal party, because i- ever in this country, and the . liberal party, because i refuse ever in this country, and the - liberal party, because i refuse to use the _ liberal party, because i refuse to use the d — liberal party, because i refuse to use the d word _ liberal party, because i refuse to use the d word for— liberal party, because i refuse to use the d word for them - liberal party, because i refuse to use the d word for them any- liberal party, because i refuse to- use the d word for them any more... why? _ use the d word for them any more... why? that _ use the d word for them any more... why? that is — use the d word for them any more... why? that is what _ use the d word for them any more... why? that is what they— use the d word for them any more... why? that is what they are - use the d word for them any more... why? that is what they are called. i why? that is what they are called. because they wanted to something very undemocratic— because they wanted to something very undemocratic and _ because they wanted to something very undemocratic and overturn - because they wanted to something | very undemocratic and overturn the biggest _ very undemocratic and overturn the biggest vote — very undemocratic and overturn the biggest vote that _ very undemocratic and overturn the biggest vote that has _ very undemocratic and overturn the biggest vote that has ever- very undemocratic and overturn the biggest vote that has ever taken . biggest vote that has ever taken place _ biggest vote that has ever taken place in — biggest vote that has ever taken place in this— biggest vote that has ever taken place in this country. _ biggest vote that has ever taken place in this country. jill, - biggest vote that has ever taken place in this country.— biggest vote that has ever taken place in this country. jill, did you hear that? _

place in this country. jill, did you hear that? yes. _ place in this country. jill, did you hear that? yes. well, _ place in this country. jill, did you hear that? yes. well, is - place in this country. jill, did you | hear that? yes. well, is assuming that people _ hear that? yes. well, is assuming that people never _ hear that? yes. well, is assuming that people never change - hear that? yes. well, is assuming that people never change their- that people never change their minds. has this gentleman seen the recent polls where it said that 63% of people in the uk now regret what happened? sometimes you get things wrong and then you have to have the opportunity to redo it. that wrong and then you have to have the opportunity to redo it.— opportunity to redo it. that is outrageous- _ opportunity to redo it. that is outrageous. you're _ opportunity to redo it. that is outrageous. you're saying - opportunity to redo it. that is. outrageous. you're saying that everybody _ outrageous. you're saying that everybody got _ outrageous. you're saying that everybody got it _ outrageous. you're saying that everybody got it wrong. - outrageous. you're saying that everybody got it wrong. you i outrageous. you're saying thati everybody got it wrong. you are saying _ everybody got it wrong. you are saying that _ everybody got it wrong. you are saying that everyone _ everybody got it wrong. you are saying that everyone who - everybody got it wrong. you are saying that everyone who is - everybody got it wrong. you are saying that everyone who is a l saying that everyone who is a liberal— saying that everyone who is a liberal wants _ saying that everyone who is a liberal wants to _ saying that everyone who is a liberal wants tojoin- saying that everyone who is a liberal wants to join the - saying that everyone who is a - liberal wants to join the european union _ liberal wants to join the european union i_ liberal wants to join the european union idon't— liberal wants to join the european union. i don't believe _ liberal wants to join the european union. i don't believe that - liberal wants to join the european union. i don't believe that is - liberal wants to join the european| union. i don't believe that is true. when _ union. i don't believe that is true. when we — union. i don't believe that is true. when we had _ union. i don't believe that is true. when we had a _ union. i don't believe that is true. when we had a vote, _ union. i don't believe that is true. when we had a vote, the - union. i don't believe that is true. - when we had a vote, the government sent a _ when we had a vote, the government sent a leaflet — when we had a vote, the government sent a leaflet out _ when we had a vote, the government sent a leaflet out to _ when we had a vote, the government sent a leaflet out to every— when we had a vote, the government sent a leaflet out to every person - sent a leaflet out to every person in the _ sent a leaflet out to every person in the country— sent a leaflet out to every person in the country trying _ sent a leaflet out to every person in the country trying to _ sent a leaflet out to every person in the country trying to persuadel in the country trying to persuade them _ in the country trying to persuade them to— in the country trying to persuade them to stay, _ in the country trying to persuade them to stay, and _ in the country trying to persuade them to stay, and yet _ in the country trying to persuade them to stay, and yet we - in the country trying to persuade them to stay, and yet we still. them to stay, and yet we still decided — them to stay, and yet we still decided to— them to stay, and yet we still decided to leave. _ them to stay, and yet we still decided to leave. why - them to stay, and yet we still decided to leave. why would i them to stay, and yet we still. decided to leave. why would any democratic— decided to leave. why would any democratic party— decided to leave. why would any democratic party try— decided to leave. why would any democratic party try and - decided to leave. why would anyl democratic party try and overturn that? _

democratic party try and overturn that? �* .., , democratic party try and overturn that? �* , ~ democratic party try and overturn that? , ~ , ,, democratic party try and overturn that? , ~ , that? because the murdoch press sent out lies and deceit _ that? because the murdoch press sent out lies and deceit and _ that? because the murdoch press sent out lies and deceit and terrible - out lies and deceit and terrible stories that were untrue, and the british people made the decision based on false information. gradually, they are waking up to the fact that we got it so desperately wrong and i am so angry with david cameron. he was frightened of ukip and it was a desperate measure, and it's going to cost this country and our children for decades to claw back the success we had in the eu. we may never get back to a strong —— as a strong position as we had in the past, but we have to rethink this. we are turning our backs on the biggest trade market that we have access to, right on our doorstep. have access to, right on our doorstep-— have access to, right on our doorste.~ ., , ., ,, doorstep. we have still got access to it. talk doorstep. we have still got access to it- talk to _ doorstep. we have still got access to it. talk to businesses, - doorstep. we have still got access to it. talk to businesses, talk - doorstep. we have still got access to it. talk to businesses, talk to i to it. talk to businesses, talk to eo - le

to it. talk to businesses, talk to people who _ to it. talk to businesses, talk to people who are _ to it. talk to businesses, talk to people who are trading - to it. talk to businesses, talk to people who are trading with - to it. talk to businesses, talk to i people who are trading with them. talk to the farmers who are trying to export and they are having to get a vets' certificates for every item that goes abroad.— a vets' certificates for every item that goes abroad. only because the euro eans that goes abroad. only because the europeans are _ that goes abroad. only because the europeans are being _ that goes abroad. only because the europeans are being difficult. - that goes abroad. only because the europeans are being difficult. i'm . europeans are being difficult. i'm afraid we europeans are being difficult. afraid we are never going to europeans are being difficult.“ afraid we are never going to change your mind on this. but 63% of british people asked by a third party polling company said, we made a mistake. ~ ., ., a mistake. when it went to a democratic _ a mistake. when it went to a democratic election, - a mistake. when it went to a democratic election, the - a mistake. when it went to a l democratic election, the public spoke — democratic election, the public spoke and _ democratic election, the public spoke and the _ democratic election, the public spoke and the liberal- democratic election, the public spoke and the liberal party - democratic election, the public. spoke and the liberal party should respect _ spoke and the liberal party should respect that — spoke and the liberal party should respect that. we _ spoke and the liberal party should respect that-— spoke and the liberal party should respect that. we did respect it, but now, in respect that. we did respect it, but now. in the — respect that. we did respect it, but now, in the light _ respect that. we did respect it, but now, in the light of _ respect that. we did respect it, but now, in the light of how— respect that. we did respect it, but now, in the light of how disastrous | now, in the light of how disastrous it has been...— it has been... your party leader lost her seat _ it has been... your party leader lost her seat over _ it has been... your party leader lost her seat over it. _ it has been... your party leader. lost her seat over it. irrespective of that, we _ lost her seat over it. irrespective of that, we have _ lost her seat over it. irrespective of that, we have to _ lost her seat over it. irrespective of that, we have to say, - lost her seat over it. irrespective of that, we have to say, is - lost her seat over it. irrespective of that, we have to say, is it - lost her seat over it. irrespective | of that, we have to say, is it good for this country or this country's trade? is it the right thing? and

63% of the general public say no. here are a couple of texts on this. as i say, there has been a lot of traffic on this. it is still such a big shadow over british politics, isn't it? �* my big shadow over british politics, isn't it? �* . ., isn't it? but nicky, on the doorstep. _ isn't it? but nicky, on the doorstep. it— isn't it? but nicky, on the doorstep, it isn't - isn't it? but nicky, on the doorstep, it isn't what - isn't it? but nicky, on the - doorstep, it isn't what people are talking about. i have fought four parliamentary by—elections recently. i have knocked on lots of doors and spoken to lots of people and i cannot recall an occasion where it came up. cannot recall an occasion where it came u -. �* cannot recall an occasion where it came u. �* y ., , cannot recall an occasion where it came u. �* , cannot recall an occasion where it cameu.�* , came up. but you 'ust said it was central to the _ came up. but you just said it was central to the economic - came up. but you just said it was l central to the economic well-being central to the economic well—being of this country, and i am reacting to what people are saying to us about what you guys are saying after one innocent question on myself. this says, the lib dems have been teasing us about being the only party to take us into the europe.

now they have bowed to the right wing media with hollow words about fixing the economy. they have lost my support. that was jeff, who fixing the economy. they have lost my support. that wasjeff, who is possibly referring to the party hierarchy, who are being more cautious about engaging in this debate, one might say. this says, i was warming towards the lib dems until the bit about rejoining europe. i could never vote for a party that wanted that, that one says. there is a lot of stuff coming in on both sides. ian in worthing, do you want to come in? fin in on both sides. ian in worthing, do you want to come in? on re'oining the eu? do you want to come in? on re'oining the em ne, — do you want to come in? on re'oining the em ne, mei do you want to come in? on re'oining the eu? no, let's move * do you want to come in? on re'oining the eu? no, let's move on _ do you want to come in? on rejoining the eu? no, let's move on from - do you want to come in? on rejoining the eu? no, let's move on from that| the eu? no, let's move on from that and talk about _ the eu? no, let's move on from that and talk about housing _ the eu? no, let's move on from that and talk about housing and - the eu? no, let's move on from that and talk about housing and any - the eu? no, let's move on from that and talk about housing and any of. and talk about housing and any of the other big issues that will be

addressed at conference. taking the b word out of this, what is the key issue this week?— issue this week? plans for education. _ issue this week? plans for education. i _ issue this week? plans for education. i work- issue this week? plans for education. i work in - issue this week? plans for education. i work in a - issue this week? plans for i education. i work in a school issue this week? plans for - education. i work in a school and i see the _ education. i work in a school and i see the struggles schools are going through _ see the struggles schools are going through. it is partly to do with the funding _ through. it is partly to do with the funding not rising in line with inflation _ funding not rising in line with inflation and it is also to do with more _ inflation and it is also to do with more work— inflation and it is also to do with more work that schools are having to do because _ more work that schools are having to do because local governments are having _ do because local governments are having to — do because local governments are having to make cutbacks and it is putting _ having to make cutbacks and it is putting pressure on schools. so i am -lad putting pressure on schools. so i am glad to— putting pressure on schools. so i am glad to see _ putting pressure on schools. so i am glad to see the policy of putting mental— glad to see the policy of putting mental health support in every school — mental health support in every school. that would help. and also trying _ school. that would help. and also trying to— school. that would help. and also trying to increase the sen spending. there _ trying to increase the sen spending. there were — trying to increase the sen spending. there were some good points yesterday. there were some good points yesterday-— there were some good points esterda . . ., ., ,, ., yesterday. what do you think about the possibility _

yesterday. what do you think about the possibility of— yesterday. what do you think about the possibility of another _ yesterday. what do you think about the possibility of another coalition i the possibility of another coalition down the line if there is a labour minority, and they don't do as well as they are looking to do in the polls at the moment? as people say it will narrow. if it narrows enough to give you a window of opportunity, would you consider a coalition? aha, would you consider a coalition? a term i heard a few years ago was a coalition— term i heard a few years ago was a coalition of— term i heard a few years ago was a coalition of convenience. you wouldn't _ coalition of convenience. you wouldn't have to agree on everything. but in the majority of cases. _ everything. but in the majority of cases. you — everything. but in the majority of cases, you probably would offer support — cases, you probably would offer support. but in the lib dems, we have _ support. but in the lib dems, we have some — support. but in the lib dems, we have some lines that we need to stick— have some lines that we need to stick to— have some lines that we need to stick to to — have some lines that we need to stick to to maintain credibility. you had — stick to to maintain credibility. you had clear lines before. tuition fees was a clear line, and that went. would you like to see lib dems in cabinet? ., ., ,

in cabinet? that would be good, eseciall in cabinet? that would be good, especially on — in cabinet? that would be good, especially on things _ in cabinet? that would be good, especially on things like - in cabinet? that would be good, especially on things like the - especially on things like the environment. we have always had a good _ environment. we have always had a good track— environment. we have always had a good track record on the environment. at local level, a lot of lib— environment. at local level, a lot of lib dem — environment. at local level, a lot of lib dem councils are paving the way forwards with things like recycling. in worthing, we were the first council— recycling. in worthing, we were the first council to offer that. so yes, a couple — first council to offer that. so yes, a couple of — first council to offer that. so yes, a couple of lib dem people in a joint _ a couple of lib dem people in a joint cabinet makes sense, playing to our— joint cabinet makes sense, playing to our strengths.— joint cabinet makes sense, playing to our strengths.- what. joint cabinet makes sense, playing l to our strengths.- what was to our strengths. munira? what was the question? _ to our strengths. munira? what was the question? a _ to our strengths. munira? what was the question? a response _ to our strengths. munira? what was the question? a response to - to our strengths. munira? what was the question? a response to what i to our strengths. munira? what was i the question? a response to what you heard about — the question? a response to what you heard about the _ the question? a response to what you heard about the desirability _ the question? a response to what you heard about the desirability of - the question? a response to what you heard about the desirability of a - heard about the desirability of a possible couple of lib dems in cabinet? i possible couple of lib dems in cabinet? ., �* ., ,, possible couple of lib dems in cabinet? ., �* .,~ ., , ., cabinet? i don't take voters for ranted. cabinet? i don't take voters for granted- l _ cabinet? i don't take voters for granted. i and _ cabinet? i don't take voters for granted. i and my _ cabinet? i don't take voters for granted. i and my colleagues i cabinet? i don't take voters for i granted. i and my colleagues are working day and day out to make sure we have as many lib dem mps as possible. i'm not going to speculate on what the numbers might be, ijust want to make sure we have more lib dem mps standing up in parliament.

we haven't spoken much about ed davey. he is your leader and has beenin davey. he is your leader and has been in parliament for 25 years. he was in the cabinet at the time of the coalition. tell us about him. well, ed has been open about his background. that is what drives his values and priorities of being a carer and going values and priorities of being a carerand going up values and priorities of being a carer and going up in kinship care and being brought up by his grandparents. he understands the challenges facing families that have those caring responsibilities who are struggling to access the health care and the personal care that they need. he has a strong background. he quadrupled renewable energy when he was in government, and that shows our strong environmental

credentials. we lead the way after the liberal democrats left government.— the liberal democrats left covernment. ., ., ,, ., ., ., government. you are shadow education secreta . government. you are shadow education secretary- let — government. you are shadow education secretary- let me _ government. you are shadow education secretary. let me ask— government. you are shadow education secretary. let me ask you _ government. you are shadow education secretary. let me ask you this. - government. you are shadow education secretary. let me ask you this. we - secretary. let me ask you this. we have got simon in blackburn coming up. let me read this — i am not a lib dem voter, but so ticked off with labour and the conservatives. i don't believe the lib dems will protect the rights of women and fairness in women's sport. trans people have the same rights as me, but those should not override other rights. i can't vote for them on that basis. that was from john in norfolk. there are views on the other side, norfolk. there are views on the otherside, of norfolk. there are views on the other side, of course. norfolk. there are views on the otherside, of course. but norfolk. there are views on the other side, of course. but the live issue at the moment is whether schools should allow gender—questioning children to socially transition without their parents�* involvement. the conservatives seem to be edging towards the fact that schools should not allow gender—questioning

children to socially transition without parents�* involvement. should the parents always be told? it’s a the parents always be told? it's a tric and the parents always be told? it's a tricky and sensitive _ the parents always be told? it's a tricky and sensitive area, - the parents always be told? it's a tricky and sensitive area, and - tricky and sensitive area, and schools are clearly calling out for guidance from the department for education, which has been promised but has not been forthcoming. schools need to have clear guidance and then be empowered to make that decision for themselves. what and then be empowered to make that decision for themselves.— decision for themselves. what is our decision for themselves. what is your instinct. — decision for themselves. what is your instinct, should _ decision for themselves. what is your instinct, should parents- decision for themselves. what is your instinct, should parents be| your instinct, should parents be told? look, iam your instinct, should parents be told? look, i am a your instinct, should parents be told? look, iam a parent your instinct, should parents be told? look, i am a parent myself. would you want to be told? if told? look, i am a parent myself. would you want to be told?- would you want to be told? if my children were _ would you want to be told? if my children were going _ would you want to be told? if “n; children were going through would you want to be told? if “my children were going through that, i would want to work towards a relationship where they felt able to tell me themselves. but there are some situations teachers have spoken to me about where if a child or young person feels they are going to be at risk, there are safeguarding issues, which is why it's a tricky

minefield. i think it's terrible that some schools are having to spend money on lawyers getting advice on this. that is where head teachers and teachers�* unions have said schools need guidance on how to deal with this sensitive matter. you have to be aware that every case is different and you could be putting a young person at risk of doing something terrible to themselves if they are outed without their consent. ., ~ they are outed without their consent. ., ,, , ., ., ., , , consent. thank you for addressing that. consent. thank you for addressing that- simon _ consent. thank you for addressing that. simon in _ consent. thank you for addressing that. simon in blackburn, - consent. thank you for addressing that. simon in blackburn, good i that. simon in blackburn, good morning. you voted lib dem in 2019. why? i morning. you voted lib dem in 2019. wh ? ., ., �* why? i regretted voting for brexit. i think i voted — why? i regretted voting for brexit. i think i voted with _ why? i regretted voting for brexit. i think i voted with my _ why? i regretted voting for brexit. i think i voted with my heart. - why? i regretted voting for brexit. i think i voted with my heart. the | i think i voted with my heart. the union— i think i voted with my heart. the union needed reform. cameron didn't

het union needed reform. cameron didn't get it _ union needed reform. cameron didn't get it i_ union needed reform. cameron didn't get it i live _ union needed reform. cameron didn't get it. i live with regret, but i live _ get it. i live with regret, but i live in— get it. i live with regret, but i live in a — get it. i live with regret, but i live in a strong tory area so for met _ live in a strong tory area so for me. it's — live in a strong tory area so for me, it's about what labour can offer as an _ me, it's about what labour can offer as an alternative. i cannot vote conservative at the next election after _ conservative at the next election after everything we have had in the last several years, which has been ridiculous, — last several years, which has been ridiculous, with the infighting. why did ou ridiculous, with the infighting. why did you vote _ ridiculous, with the infighting. �*h't'hy did you vote for brexit? ridiculous, with the infighting. �*h'triy did you vote for brexit? take us back into the polling booth. i had a feelint back into the polling booth. i had a feeling that — back into the polling booth. i had a feeling that you — back into the polling booth. i had a feeling that you needed _ back into the polling booth. i had a feeling that you needed more - back into the polling booth. i had a i feeling that you needed more reform than what _ feeling that you needed more reform than what cameron was able to get. there _ than what cameron was able to get. there was— than what cameron was able to get. there was a — than what cameron was able to get. there was a lot of window—dressing, a lot of— there was a lot of window—dressing, a lot of negatives towards the uk. and i_ a lot of negatives towards the uk. and liust — a lot of negatives towards the uk. and ijust felt that we should come out of— and ijust felt that we should come out of it. _ and ijust felt that we should come out of it, but i didn't think we would — out of it, but i didn't think we would. sadly, iwas out of it, but i didn't think we would. sadly, i was one of those

that didn't — would. sadly, i was one of those that didn't prevail with sense, and i that didn't prevail with sense, and i regret— that didn't prevail with sense, and i regret that. so that didn't prevail with sense, and i regret that-— that didn't prevail with sense, and i retret that. ., , ., ., i regret that. so where are you now? within days. — i regret that. so where are you now? within days. i _ i regret that. so where are you now? within days, i wanted _ i regret that. so where are you now? within days, i wanted to _ i regret that. so where are you now? within days, i wanted to go - i regret that. so where are you now? within days, i wanted to go back - i regret that. so where are you now? within days, i wanted to go back in. l within days, i wanted to go back in. and the _ within days, i wanted to go back in. and the longer the negotiations and the trauma that we experienced persisted, the more obvious it was that we _ persisted, the more obvious it was that we needed to get back in. i think— that we needed to get back in. i think the — that we needed to get back in. i think the estimate of something like 40 billion— think the estimate of something like 40 billion was what being out of the eu was— 40 billion was what being out of the eu was going to cost. some people say, what _ eu was going to cost. some people say, what is — eu was going to cost. some people say, what is the point in worrying about— say, what is the point in worrying about 40 — say, what is the point in worrying about 40 billion, but the economics back up— about 40 billion, but the economics back up that it is better for us to be part— back up that it is better for us to be part of— back up that it is better for us to be part of it, and we are already creeping — be part of it, and we are already creeping in _ be part of it, and we are already creeping in their associations. we should _ creeping in their associations. we should just — creeping in their associations. we should just get back in and be more economically secure for it.- economically secure for it. thank ou, sir. economically secure for it. thank you. sir- here — economically secure for it. thank you, sir. here is— economically secure for it. thank you, sir. here is siobhan - economically secure for it. thank you, sir. here is siobhan in - you, sir. here is siobhan in edinburgh. what would you like to say? fits edinburgh. what would you like to sa ? �* , ., edinburgh. what would you like to sa ? r , ., ., edinburgh. what would you like to sa ? . , ., ., , , edinburgh. what would you like to

say? as a former lib dem activist, i am disappointed — say? as a former lib dem activist, i am disappointed by _ say? as a former lib dem activist, i am disappointed by the _ say? as a former lib dem activist, i am disappointed by the lack - say? as a former lib dem activist, i am disappointed by the lack of - am disappointed by the lack of radical— am disappointed by the lack of radical programmes and lack of commitment to go back into the eu. however. _ commitment to go back into the eu. however. i_ commitment to go back into the eu. however, i can understand what the party _ however, i can understand what the party is _ however, i can understand what the party is doing to gain as many mps as possible. this is a tactic aimed at winning — as possible. this is a tactic aimed at winning seats in the south of england. — at winning seats in the south of england, and that is what the party has to— england, and that is what the party has to do— england, and that is what the party has to do to claw its way back to relevance — has to do to claw its way back to relevance. but the programme being put forward at conference in the pre—manifesto is aimed at getting 30 seats _ pre—manifesto is aimed at getting 30 seats we _ pre—manifesto is aimed at getting 30 seats. we won't see the lib dems in action— seats. we won't see the lib dems in action around the rest of the country. _ action around the rest of the country. it— action around the rest of the country, it willjust be in those target — country, it willjust be in those target seats. i see where that is happening. john curtice, the pollster, _ happening. john curtice, the pollster, is saying there is a 50—50 chance _ pollster, is saying there is a 50—50 chance of— pollster, is saying there is a 50—50 chance of a —

pollster, is saying there is a 50—50 chance of a coalition in the next government. ed davey needs as many mps as— government. ed davey needs as many mps as possible... government. ed davey needs as many mps as possible. . ._ mps as possible... siobhan, you got swallowed up _ mps as possible... siobhan, you got swallowed up by _ mps as possible... siobhan, you got swallowed up by the _ mps as possible... siobhan, you got swallowed up by the last _ mps as possible... siobhan, you got swallowed up by the last one. - swallowed up by the last one. totally. i see that the last coalition _ totally. i see that the last coalition was not great for the lib dems— coalition was not great for the lib dems and — coalition was not great for the lib dems and the party is still clawing its way— dems and the party is still clawing its way back from that. i don't see any chance — its way back from that. i don't see any chance of the lib dems going into coalition with the tories again. — into coalition with the tories again, but i can see it happening with labour or perhaps some sort of deal _ with labour or perhaps some sort of deal if— with labour or perhaps some sort of deal ifthey— with labour or perhaps some sort of deal. if they do that, there is the possibility— deal. if they do that, there is the possibility for the party to get a greater— possibility for the party to get a greater national profile to build themselves back up to the strength they had _ themselves back up to the strength they had in the days of clegg, with 50 or— they had in the days of clegg, with 50 or 60 _ they had in the days of clegg, with 50 or 60 mps. but it is still going to be _ 50 or 60 mps. but it is still going to be a _ 50 or 60 mps. but it is still going to be a long process. at the moment, it looks _ to be a long process. at the moment, it looks like _ to be a long process. at the moment,

it looks like the party doesn't have the sort _ it looks like the party doesn't have the sort of— it looks like the party doesn't have the sort of ambition they were putting — the sort of ambition they were putting forward at the last general election _ putting forward at the last general election. fingers were burned very much _ election. fingers were burned very much in _ election. fingers were burned very much in the — election. fingers were burned very much in the days underjo swinson, who had _ much in the days underjo swinson, who had a _ much in the days underjo swinson, who had a clear pro—european message and saying _ who had a clear pro—european message and saying the party could win100 mps _ and saying the party could win100 mps now— and saying the party could win100 mps. now it looks they are going for more _ mps. now it looks they are going for more like _ mps. now it looks they are going for more like 30. so it feels sad for somebody— more like 30. so it feels sad for somebody who agrees with what the party is _ somebody who agrees with what the party is saying are sorry to interrupt _ party is saying are sorry to interrupt-— party is saying are sorry to interrupt. party is saying are sorry to interru -t. .., ., ., party is saying are sorry to interru -t. h, ., ., ., interrupt. our conversation on armed tolice interrupt. our conversation on armed police continues _ interrupt. our conversation on armed police continues on _ interrupt. our conversation on armed police continues on the _ interrupt. our conversation on armed police continues on the radio. - police continues on the radio. viewers on bbc news and bbc two will get the latest national and international news. thanks for watching and listening.

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