during the broadcast, laurence fox asked what "self—respecting man" would "climb into bed" with politicsjoe reporter ava evans. gb news distanced itself from fox's comment shortly after the broadcast, saying they were totally unacceptable. it later suspended fox. in a social media post on wednesday afternoon, fox said the media was "obsessed" with cancelling him over the comments. this morning, dan wootton apologised for what he called "a very unfortunate lapse in judgment," adding that he apologised unreservedly and that he should have done better. the reporter ava evans said she feared for her safety, and that wootton had called her "multiple times during the night" after the exchange. this afternoon, gb news released a short statement about wootton on x — formerly known as twitter...

well, ava evans has spoken to adam flemming on the bbc�*s newscast podcast about what happened and the response from the channel. she said she had heard from the broadcaster today. i'v e i've had my apologies from gb news, which i was waiting for all day. find which i was waiting for all day. and what forms — which i was waiting for all day. and what forms did that take? it - which i was waiting for all day. and what forms did that take? it was i which i was waiting for all day. and what forms did that take? it was a | what forms did that take? it was a very gracious _ what forms did that take? it was a very gracious e-mail_ what forms did that take? it was a very gracious e-mail from - what forms did that take? it was a very gracious e-mail from the - very gracious e—mail from the editor, basically telling me that what laurence fox said last night was not representative of the rest of the gb news outfit, and that dan wootton would also be suspended so they could properly investigate laurence fox.— they could properly investigate laurence fox. ., ., ., laurence fox. how do you feel about that apology? _ laurence fox. how do you feel about that apology? that's _ laurence fox. how do you feel about that apology? that's probably - laurence fox. how do you feel about that apology? that's probably the . that apology? that's probably the best apology _ that apology? that's probably the best apology l _ that apology? that's probably the best apology i could've _ that apology? that's probably the best apology i could've gotten. i that apology? that's probably the | best apology i could've gotten. not the cast doubt on our media landscape, but i didn't actually

think anything would come off it. i don't want to say am pleased by it, ijust think don't want to say am pleased by it, i just think that's probably the best outcome i could've hoped for. is a apology accepted?— is a apology accepted? look, let's 'ust see is a apology accepted? look, let's just see how _ is a apology accepted? look, let's just see how the _ is a apology accepted? look, let's just see how the investigation - is a apology accepted? look, let's l just see how the investigation goes. because of everything just reverts back to normal... i'm also curious to see how the ofcom investigation goes. i'd like to see what they make of it. as far as i understand, there have been quite a lot of complaints. have you complained it to ofcom, as well? _ have you complained it to ofcom, as well? |_ have you complained it to ofcom, as well? ., . ., , have you complained it to ofcom, as well? ., , ., �* have you complained it to ofcom, as well? ., �* �* , well? i actually haven't. i've been a bit everywhere _ well? i actually haven't. i've been a bit everywhere today, _ well? i actually haven't. i've been a bit everywhere today, i've - well? i actually haven't. i've been a bit everywhere today, i've not l a bit everywhere today, i've not really been feeling myself, even talking to you i feel a bit sort of... fit, talking to you i feel a bit sort of... �* . talking to you i feel a bit sort of... �* , ., talking to you i feel a bit sort of... �* . ., ., talking to you i feel a bit sort of... �* , ., ., talking to you i feel a bit sort of... a bit out of body kudela i was auoin to of... a bit out of body kudela i was going to use _ of... a bit out of body kudela i was going to use a _ of... a bit out of body kudela i was going to use a beyonce _ of... a bit out of body kudela i was going to use a beyonce meme - i going to use a beyonce meme there's this going to use a beyonce meme » there's this picture of... going to use a beyonce meme - there's this picture of... what . going to use a beyonce meme -| there's this picture of... what he think it's felt — there's this picture of... what he think it's felt like _ there's this picture of... what he think it's felt like that? - there's this picture of... what he think it's felt like that? is - there's this picture of... what he think it's felt like that? isjust i there's this picture of... what he think it's felt like that? isjust a l think it's felt like that? is 'ust a ve out think it's felt like that? is 'ust a very out «ti think it's felt like that? is 'ust a very out of body fl think it's felt like that? isjust a very out of body experience - think it's felt like that? isjust a - very out of body experience because i'm never the story, if that makes

sense. your reporting on stories all the time and i'm always talking to people, interviewing people, and whenever i'm in an interview setting, i'm normally commenting on another person. when it's about me, it feels introspective and auto. it's also a very bizarre thing to comment on because what am i supposed to say? how my supposed to say how it made me feel? it made me feel disgusting and vile, and i want to keep showering because ijust feel really gross about all of it. but i've said it now, it's not a very interesting thing to hear, i don't think. lays very interesting thing to hear, i don't think-— don't think. as a “ournalist, the lastquestion— don't think. as a journalist, the last question you _ don't think. as a journalist, the last question you want - don't think. as a journalist, the last question you want to - don't think. as a journalist, the last question you want to ask. don't think. as a journalist, the | last question you want to ask is, "how— last question you want to ask is, "how do — last question you want to ask is, "how do you feel?" you have to elicit_ "how do you feel?" you have to elicit something from somebody, don't _ elicit something from somebody, don't you? — elicit something from somebody, don't you? there's a few things to pick up _ don't you? there's a few things to pick up on — don't you? there's a few things to pick up on there. you said you'll wait _ pick up on there. you said you'll wait and — pick up on there. you said you'll wait and reserve judgment to see the final outcome of this whole thing from _ final outcome of this whole thing from gb — final outcome of this whole thing from gb news — so what would you like them _ from gb news — so what would you like them to do, then? i...

from gb news - so what would you like them to do, then?— from gb news - so what would you like them to do, then? i... i mean, the ultimate _ like them to do, then? i... i mean, the ultimate outcome _ like them to do, then? i... i mean, the ultimate outcome pot - like them to do, then? i... i mean, the ultimate outcome pot look, - the ultimate outcome pot look, i don't want to make any rash judgment or a decision for gb news. but my big concern is that channel hosts a lot of our government figures, it's got the deputy chairman hosting a show there, jacob rees—mogg, these are elected members of parliament. it makes me uncomfortable as a journalist to see those kinds of people who make our laws and speak of the mother of all parliaments alongside that kind of narrative, it just doesn't fit well for me. and i think as a journalist, and i'm walking through parliament, if you're going to be on that channel, are you aligning yourself with those views, saying those are the sorts of things that are ok to say? therefore, am i safe working alongside you in parliament? so you think tory mps _ alongside you in parliament? so you think tory mps should _ alongside you in parliament? so you think tory mps should stop - alongside you in parliament? so you think tory mps should stop appearing on gb _ think tory mps should stop appearing on gb news? | think tory mps should stop appearing on gb news?— on gb news? i think untili can be resolved and _ on gb news? i think untili can be resolved and if _ on gb news? i think untili can be resolved and if gb _ on gb news? i think untili can be resolved and if gb news - on gb news? i think untili can be| resolved and if gb news can make on gb news? i think untili can be i resolved and if gb news can make a really good point, which is that this is not acceptable and this is

how we prove to you it's not acceptable, until then i just how we prove to you it's not acceptable, until then ijust don't think you should be appearing on the channel. ~ . ., ., , .,, think you should be appearing on the channel. ~ . ., ., , ., , ., channel. what about other people who a- ear on channel. what about other people who appear on gb — channel. what about other people who appear on gb news, _ channel. what about other people who appear on gb news, like _ channel. what about other people who appear on gb news, like from - channel. what about other people who appear on gb news, like from a - channel. what about other people who appear on gb news, like from a thinkl appear on gb news, like from a think tank or— appear on gb news, like from a think tank or campaign group?— tank or campaign group? i've been blown away _ tank or campaign group? i've been blown away by _ tank or campaign group? i've been blown away by the _ tank or campaign group? i've been blown away by the response - tank or campaign group? i've been blown away by the response from. tank or campaign group? i've been i blown away by the response from the presenters and journalists, and producers. i actually don't think that view is representative of any of the people that work there, and i think it was incredibly courageous seeing how many people came out to support me — particularly media is so intertwined, and it's like a spider web, so intertwined, and it's like a spiderweb, everyone so intertwined, and it's like a spider web, everyone is friends with everyone behind—the—scenes. so you've got friends who work at gb news? _ you've got friends who work at gb news? |_ you've got friends who work at gb news? ., , ., ,., ., , ., news? i do, but more importantly a lot of people _ news? i do, but more importantly a lot of people who _ news? i do, but more importantly a lot of people who work _ news? i do, but more importantly a lot of people who work with - news? i do, but more importantly a| lot of people who work with laurence fox. and what we are watching as the demise of laurence fox's commentary career, and forfriends demise of laurence fox's commentary career, and for friends of him to come out in defence of me over him is an incredibly courageous thing to do. because it could be career ending for them as well. has anyone cotten ending for them as well. has anyone gotten touch — ending for them as well. has anyone gotten touch that _ ending for them as well. has anyone gotten touch that you've _ ending for them as well. has anyone gotten touch that you've been - gotten touch that you've been surprised to hear from? you know,

i'll be surprised to hear from? you know, i'll be really _ surprised to hear from? you know, i'll be really boring _ surprised to hear from? you know, i'll be really boring and _ surprised to hear from? you know, i'll be really boring and won't - surprised to hear from? you know, i'll be really boring and won't tell. i'll be really boring and won't tell you — i won't give you names. i'll be really boring and won't tell you - i won't give you names. that's fine, what — you - i won't give you names. that's fine, what kind _ you - i won't give you names. that's fine, what kind of— you - i won't give you names. that's fine, what kind of genre _ you - i won't give you names. that's fine, what kind of genre of person? | fine, what kind of genre of person? people _ fine, what kind of genre of person? people who— fine, what kind of genre of person? people who do not agree with me and regularly criticise or pick apart my arguments, which i'm totally all four, you are more than welcome to challenge me and debate me, i think that's what a healthy democracy is composite of. what i've really not liked about this has been the conversation about my body. so it's notjust conversation about my body. so it's not just that laurence conversation about my body. so it's notjust that laurence fox said these comments last night, it's been these comments last night, it's been the vitriol on social media that ensued. so i've had all sorts of accounts basically raiding me and deciding whether i'm worth taking to bed. in reading that sort of stuff is just so disgusting. i've never had that kind of carnal side of commentary before, it's a new experience. commentary before, it's a new experience-_ commentary before, it's a new exerience. h , , , experience. it's interesting because i was discussing _ experience. it's interesting because i was discussing often _ experience. it's interesting because i was discussing often with - experience. it's interesting because i was discussing often with social. i was discussing often with social media, _ i was discussing often with social

media, i— i was discussing often with social media, i don't get to see your media, idon't get to see your social— media, i don't get to see your social media, i get to see my feed on acts, _ social media, i get to see my feed on acts, so— social media, i get to see my feed on acts, so i— social media, i get to see my feed on acts, so i don't see any of that, i on acts, so i don't see any of that, i only— on acts, so i don't see any of that, i only know— on acts, so i don't see any of that, i only know that exists because you're — i only know that exists because you're telling me about it —— on x. i you're telling me about it —— on x. i don't _ you're telling me about it —— on x. i don't know— you're telling me about it —— on x. idon'l know if— you're telling me about it —— on x. i don't know if i can say the comment, to put this in perspective. you can paraphrase. what comment, to put this in perspective. you can paraphrase.— you can paraphrase. what he said last niuht you can paraphrase. what he said last night was _ you can paraphrase. what he said last night was he _ you can paraphrase. what he said last night was he couldn't - you can paraphrase. what he said i last night was he couldn't imagine anyone wanting to sleep with me. a lot of the comments i've had today is women men saying they would want to sleep with me and he's wrong. which is just as to sleep with me and he's wrong. which isjust as bad.— to sleep with me and he's wrong. which isjust as bad. which is 'ust as bad. which is 'ust as bad which isjust as bad. which is 'ust as bad because i which isjust as bad. which is 'ust as bad because i'm i which isjust as bad. which is 'ust as bad because i'm scrolling h which isjust as bad. which isjust i as bad because i'm scrolling through my diadems, seeing that 400 people want to sleep with.— want to sleep with. speaking of social media, _ want to sleep with. speaking of social media, most _ want to sleep with. speaking of social media, most people i want to sleep with. speaking of social media, most people saw| want to sleep with. speaking of i social media, most people saw this clip last— social media, most people saw this clip last night not on gb news but when _ clip last night not on gb news but when you — clip last night not on gb news but when you tweeted the clip of it. why did you _ when you tweeted the clip of it. why did you want to do this? it got when you tweeted the clip of it. why did you want to do this?— did you want to do this? it got sent to me, i had it— did you want to do this? it got sent to me, i had it sent _ did you want to do this? it got sent to me, i had it sent to _ did you want to do this? it got sent to me, i had it sent to me - did you want to do this? it got sent to me, i had it sent to me by i to me, i had it sent to me by someone who appeared on the panel. i wasn't going to do anything about it, i was going to bed and i thought, "no, that's absolutely repulsive, while on earth should i

take that secret of his now to sleep with me?" it needed to be called out. it's one of the many things that laurence fox has said about female journalists in the last couple years — eightjournalist colleague of mine once asked her desk he once asked her, what colour are her knickers? 0r she claims he did, i do believe he admitted to it on twitter. then there's maryna perkins, a brilliant commentator, he's also madejibes perkins, a brilliant commentator, he's also made jibes at her before, asking, who on earth would want to have her as their girlfriend? pick on the argument, attacked the opinion — but when it goes to someone's body and appearance, it's just disgusting. bind someone's body and appearance, it's just disgusting-— just disgusting. and what happens to our hone just disgusting. and what happens to your phone after _ just disgusting. and what happens to your phone after you _ just disgusting. and what happens to your phone after you put _ just disgusting. and what happens to your phone after you put it _ just disgusting. and what happens to your phone after you put it to - just disgusting. and what happens to your phone after you put it to the i your phone after you put it to the side and — your phone after you put it to the side and try to go to sleep?| side and try to go to sleep? actually side and try to go to sleep? i actually did go to sleep, that was a problem. then i woke up this morning

terrified. �* . problem. then i woke up this morning terrified._ there _ problem. then i woke up this morning terrified._ there was - problem. then i woke up this morning terrified._ there was a i terrified. because? there was a lot there. terrified. because? there was a lot there- we — terrified. because? there was a lot there. i've never, _ terrified. because? there was a lot there. i've never, ever— terrified. because? there was a lot there. i've never, ever woken i terrified. because? there was a lot there. i've never, ever woken to i terrified. because? there was a lot there. i've never, ever woken to al there. i've never, ever woken to a push notification with my name on it before, which i did have this morning, and i also wake up to your brilliant radio programming — that was on the bulletin and that really, really frightened me. i've never had that before. really frightened me. i've never had that before-— that before. yeah, do you have any second thoughts _ that before. yeah, do you have any second thoughts or _ that before. yeah, do you have any second thoughts or regrets - that before. yeah, do you have any second thoughts or regrets about l second thoughts or regrets about having _ second thoughts or regrets about having pushed out there yourself? in the original— having pushed out there yourself? in the original post? | having pushed out there yourself? in the original post?— the original post? i have no regrets- — the original post? i have no regrets- i— the original post? i have no regrets. i selfishly - the original post? i have no regrets. i selfishly wish i the original post? i have no regrets. i selfishly wish it i the original post? i have no i regrets. i selfishly wish it hadn't been me, but i'm glad i did put it out. ., , ., out. you feel when you saw... let me ut it this out. you feel when you saw... let me put it this way. _ out. you feel when you saw... let me put it this way, how _ out. you feel when you saw... let me put it this way, how did _ out. you feel when you saw... let me put it this way, how did you _ out. you feel when you saw... let me put it this way, how did you feel i put it this way, how did you feel when _ put it this way, how did you feel when laurence fox lettuce in behind the scenes— when laurence fox lettuce in behind the scenes of the conversation between — the scenes of the conversation between him and dan wootton, which meant _ between him and dan wootton, which meant that— between him and dan wootton, which meant that what dan whitten said publicly _ meant that what dan whitten said publicly didn't stand up? that made me lad i publicly didn't stand up? that made me glad i had _ publicly didn't stand up? that made me glad i had put —

publicly didn't stand up? that made me glad i had put it _ publicly didn't stand up? that made me glad i had put it out, because i publicly didn't stand up? that made i me glad i had put it out, because to me glad i had put it out, because to me this whole thing is a network failure, it's a failure throughout the entire stebe —— entire tv station, because as the texts show, his point of view went through a producer, that went through to the editor, which was broadcast on air. there were multiple points were someone could've potentially stepped in and said, "you know but, that's a pretty bad thing to say and we shouldn't talk about women like that." but almost feels like he was not facilitated, but sort of pushed into doing it, or pat on the back. just to go back to something you said at— just to go back to something you said at the start, you said there was part— said at the start, you said there was part of— said at the start, you said there was part of you thinking that they wouldn't — was part of you thinking that they wouldn't even apologise because of how the _ wouldn't even apologise because of how the media landscape is these days _ how the media landscape is these days. what did you mean by that? i think days. what did you mean by that? think that days. what did you mean by that? i think that there is... what did i mean by that? think that there is. .. what did i mean by that?— think that there is... what did i mean by that? think that there is... what did i mean b that? ~ , ., , ., mean by that? where you try to get at the fact that — mean by that? where you try to get at the fact that actually, this - at the fact that actually, this might— at the fact that actually, this might almost be what they want to is what they— might almost be what they want to is what they are trying to achieve? |

what they are trying to achieve? i think what they are trying to achieve? think gb what they are trying to achieve? i think gb news sets itself up as this freethinking, freedom of speech, right wing channel, no holds barred — and this morning, laurence fox was straight out of the box to say, "i don't take anything back and i stand by my comments." and ijust thought, maybe the channel might use it as a bit of promo for themselves, like, "oh, you really can come on here and say absolutely everything democrat anything." so i'm really pleased with what they've done. fiend anything." so i'm really pleased with what they've done. and because there have been _ with what they've done. and because there have been times _ with what they've done. and because there have been times or _ with what they've done. and because there have been times or people i with what they've done. and because there have been times or people set| there have been times or people set outrageous— there have been times or people set outrageous things on gb news and the channel— outrageous things on gb news and the channel stood by it, rather than getting — channel stood by it, rather than getting their host to apologise or suspending them?— getting their host to apologise or suspending them? totally, there's a lot to be said. _ suspending them? totally, there's a lot to be said. there's _ suspending them? totally, there's a lot to be said. there's also - suspending them? totally, there's a lot to be said. there's also lots i suspending them? totally, there's a lot to be said. there's also lots to i lot to be said. there's also lots to be said about the very young production crew that perhaps don't have the experience of making television, and that huge power dynamic having —— between having a presenter like dan wootton, whose very well known in the industry, and you being a young producer, you

might be two to frightened to intervene and call it out while it's on air. i'm a bit worried about some of the social media chat which is to shut the channel down and fire all the german the lists. i don't blame the german the lists. i don't blame the young producers at all, i blame that man in the chair who has so much experience and should've known better —— fire all the journalists. i'm guessing there's been lots of highs— i'm guessing there's been lots of highs and — i'm guessing there's been lots of highs and lows? what were your emotions — highs and lows? what were your emotions like today?— highs and lows? what were your emotions like today? chaos - like, i'm emotions like today? chaos - like, i'm talking — emotions like today? chaos - like, i'm talking to _ emotions like today? chaos - like, i'm talking to you _ emotions like today? chaos - like, i'm talking to you but _ emotions like today? chaos - like, i'm talking to you but i _ emotions like today? chaos - like, i'm talking to you but i don't i emotions like today? chaos - like, i'm talking to you but i don't feel. i'm talking to you but i don't feel like i'm here. itjust feels really nasty. like i'm here. it 'ust feels really nas . y ., like i'm here. it 'ust feels really nas . ., ., , ., like i'm here. it 'ust feels really nas . ., ., , nasty. do you have family to support ou, or nasty. do you have family to support you. or people _ nasty. do you have family to support you, or people looking _ nasty. do you have family to support you, or people looking after - nasty. do you have family to support you, or people looking after you? i you, or people looking after you? for sure. — you, or people looking after you? for sure. if— you, or people looking after you? for sure, if anything at section been really annoying because i got... i ran home in between work and here, and i had like loads of flowers, which was really lovely, from all my friends, and i've got many pub invites tonight so i'll be choosing where i go for my pint. fir

choosing where i go for my pint. or you could just do a whole pub crawl, whyjust _ you could just do a whole pub crawl, whyjust have one? i hate to sound like a _ whyjust have one? i hate to sound like a cheap — whyjust have one? i hate to sound like a cheap therapist, but will this affect you forever? does this change _ this affect you forever? does this change you as a person or how you feel about — change you as a person or how you feel about the world? | change you as a person or how you feel about the world?— feel about the world? i don't know because i don't _ feel about the world? i don't know because i don't know _ feel about the world? i don't know because i don't know where i feel about the world? i don't know because i don't know where this i feel about the world? i don't know. because i don't know where this will go. i don't know how social media will react to the news. as you just said, we've onlyjust found out he's been suspended. but there is a following that he has that is quite fanatical, i think that's the most polite way i can put it, and i've already been looking at a few threats that have come into my inbox, and over the evening, i'm wondering whether this will ramp up and maybe i'll have to watch over my shoulder before i go into my house so i know nobody is looking at where i live! i so i know nobody is looking at where i live! ., �* . so i know nobody is looking at where ilive! ., �* ., ., ., i live! i don't want to dwell on with the threats _ i live! i don't want to dwell on with the threats are _ i live! i don't want to dwell on with the threats are like, i i live! i don't want to dwell on with the threats are like, butl with the threats are like, but you've — with the threats are like, but you've hinted — it's people basically— you've hinted — it's people basically threatening to come and find you? — basically threatening to come and find ou?, . basically threatening to come and find ou? , , ., ., find you? just before i came on here, find you? just before i came on here. there _ find you? just before i came on here, there was _ find you? just before i came on

here, there was a _ find you? just before i came on here, there was a tweet - find you? just before i came on i here, there was a tweet that said, "watch your back." do here, there was a tweet that said, "watch your back. "— here, there was a tweet that said, "watch your back. " "watch your back." do you think they are credible — "watch your back." do you think they are credible threats, _ "watch your back." do you think they are credible threats, or _ "watch your back." do you think they are credible threats, orjust - "watch your back." do you think they are credible threats, orjust people i are credible threats, orjust people showing _ are credible threats, orjust people showing off with bravado online? | showing off with bravado online? i think showing off with bravado online? think if i showing off with bravado online? i think if i get it into my head that they are credible, then i'll be frightened. so instead, i'lljust go on — it's people online. do frightened. so instead, i'll 'ust go on - it's people online.i on - it's people online. do you rel to on - it's people online. do you reply to them _ on - it's people online. do you reply to them or— on - it's people online. do you reply to them or delete - on - it's people online. do you reply to them or delete them? on - it's people online. do you i reply to them or delete them? they are free to send. _ reply to them or delete them? they are free to send. when _ reply to them or delete them? they are free to send. when do - reply to them or delete them? they are free to send. when do you i reply to them or delete them? they are free to send. when do you go i are free to send. when do you go to the police? — are free to send. when do you go to the police? if— are free to send. when do you go to the police? if i _ are free to send. when do you go to the police? ifi actually— the police? ifi actually felt scared, the police? ifi actually felt scared. and _ the police? ifi actually felt scared, and i— the police? ifi actually felt scared, and i don't. - the police? ifi actually felt scared, and i don't. so... l the police? if i actually felt i scared, and i don't. so... one the police? if i actually felt - scared, and i don't. so... one of my colleagues — scared, and i don't. so... one of my colleagues was _ scared, and i don't. so... one of my colleagues was reminding _ scared, and i don't. so... one of my colleagues was reminding me i scared, and i don't. so... one of my colleagues was reminding me of i scared, and i don't. so... one of myi colleagues was reminding me of one of the _ colleagues was reminding me of one of the episodes you were on before, and we _ of the episodes you were on before, and we had — of the episodes you were on before, and we had been chatting to angela rayner— and we had been chatting to angela rayner about the threats she'd received — rayner about the threats she'd received - _ rayner about the threats she'd received — and i forgot about this, but we _ received — and i forgot about this, but we have — received — and i forgot about this, but we have been talking to you about _ but we have been talking to you about how this happened to you before — about how this happened to you before. threats are not a new thing for you _ before. threats are not a new thing for ou. . . before. threats are not a new thing for ou. , ., .,, before. threats are not a new thing for ou. , . .,, ., for you. yes, that was... that would've _ for you. yes, that was... that would've been _ for you. yes, that was... that would've been over _ for you. yes, that was... that would've been over a - for you. yes, that was... that would've been over a year i for you. yes, that was... that | would've been over a year ago for you. yes, that was... that i would've been over a year ago now, but he was only recently convicted earlier this year. i had some horrible text messages from him, you

know, there were pictures of me in there and some really awful threats, and staffordshire police were incredible. they prosecuted him and he received a suspended sentence, that's fine. i mean, it is doable, there's the malicious communications act which is actionable, and the person who did get convicted for this was absolutely terrified and shocked there is a mechanism to put you in prison for that crime. like for him, it wasn't a crime some point for him, it wasn't a crime some --oin , ., for him, it wasn't a crime some oinl , ., , ., point you can listen to the full interview with _ point you can listen to the full interview with ava _ point you can listen to the full interview with ava evans i point you can listen to the full interview with ava evans on i point you can listen to the full. interview with ava evans on the point you can listen to the full- interview with ava evans on the busy sounds now. thank you very much for joining us, amy. i was struck by how calm ava was in the interview. i just wanted to start with what you

felt like when you heard those comments by laurence fox last night. yes, unfortunately i think it's something that happens particularly to female journalists where as she set herself, when an individual feels they can't debate you on an intellectual level, they go for those low blows, that vile misogyny. so it sounds awful to say that i wasn't particularly surprised, that doesn't mean i feel desensitized to it, but it is something that myself, my colleagues in so many female journalists out there have to put up with on a near daily basis. i am wondering what your reaction has been today, amongst your colleagues, to the comments, and the fact that ava was saying that the vitriol she's faced on social media, as well? 0bviously she's faced on social media, as well? obviously the initial one is one of sadness and solidarity to her. it is something that we all hope doesn't happen to us or the people we know. 0bviously feedback

and debate is a huge part of the job, but as she said, attacked the opinions and the work itself, don't talk about someone's body and someone in such a personal manner that has nothing to do with the views or context at all. so for us it's been a really difficult day, even coming to talk here about it, we are talking about what the reaction might be, but having those steps in place that might happen if the social media backlash continues. it's an eventuality we always need to be prepared for. bird it's an eventuality we always need to be prepared for.— it's an eventuality we always need to be prepared for. and who do you think is to believe _ to be prepared for. and who do you think is to believe in _ to be prepared for. and who do you think is to believe in this case? i think is to believe in this case? how much do you think gb news has a responsibility? shes how much do you think gb news has a responsibility?— responsibility? as she set herself, there is a very _ responsibility? as she set herself, there is a very experienced - there is a very experienced broadcaster in that situation who didn't intervene on air regardless of whether they apologised and looked back after the fact — it was still allowed to go out, it was still, i don't want to say

encouraged, but there was smirking, there was no direct disagreement. so i think the responsibility realistically lies with laurence fox himself, but also the very well known broadcaster that was alongside him. �* . , . known broadcaster that was alongside him. ~ . , ., ., him. ava said she feared for her safe , a him. ava said she feared for her safety. a lot _ him. ava said she feared for her safety. a lot of— him. ava said she feared for her safety, a lot of people - him. ava said she feared for her safety, a lot of people say i him. ava said she feared for her- safety, a lot of people say comments on social media — they do have real—world consequences, don't they? absolutely, and evenjust her example she gave in her interview of people taking pictures of her, threats of "watch your back," knowing her whereabouts, it's not something people make up or over exaggerate. at the end of the day, journalists are just trying to do theirjob and to be subjected to that kind of harassment and intimidation isjust that kind of harassment and intimidation is just absolutely vile, and it's nothing she deserves or anyone else, for that matter. 50 or anyone else, for that matter. so what do you think the answer is, then? . . what do you think the answer is, then? . , ., , ., ., then? the answer to social media backlash, the _ then? the answer to social media backlash, the answer _ then? the answer to social media backlash, the answer to - then? the answer to social media | backlash, the answer to protecting

journalists — i don't know, it's a complicated one, but i think that in terms of misogyny being allowed to play out on such a public platform, there must be something done. and we obviously have this debate on free speech, but there surely has to be some kind of measures put in place for people notjust being able to hound and abuse people in such a personal and vile nature. i don't know what the answer is, but i hope there is one. do know what the answer is, but i hope there is one-— there is one. do you think ofcom has a role in this? _ there is one. do you think ofcom has a role in this? it's _ there is one. do you think ofcom has a role in this? it's difficult _ a role in this? it's difficult on social media, but when it comes to broadcast media?— social media, but when it comes to broadcast media? absolutely, there are standards _ broadcast media? absolutely, there are standards that _ broadcast media? absolutely, there are standards that whether - broadcast media? absolutely, there are standards that whether you're i broadcast media? absolutely, there are standards that whether you're a | are standards that whether you're a broadcast journalist or are standards that whether you're a broadcastjournalist or print journalist, there are standards you are held to, rightly so, and i think that i know 0fcom have had a lot of complaints on the back of this and they're looking into it, and i hope something drastic comes of it because this has to set an example.

this may be one of the tipping points we see when we look back between drawing a hard line in the sand of what is acceptable and what isn't. �* , . ., sand of what is acceptable and what isn't. �* , , , , sand of what is acceptable and what isn't. �* , , .,y , . sand of what is acceptable and what isn't. �* , , , ., ., isn't. amy, stay with us. i want to brin: in isn't. amy, stay with us. i want to bring in caroline _ isn't. amy, stay with us. i want to bring in caroline frost, _ isn't. amy, stay with us. i want to bring in caroline frost, a - isn't. amy, stay with us. i want to l bring in caroline frost, a long-time bring in caroline frost, a long—time entertainmentjournalist. caroline, i asked this question to amy — i just wanted to get first—year human reaction when you heard what laurence fox said on gb news last night. i laurence fox said on gb news last niuht. . ., . ., , night. i mean, laurence fox these da s is night. i mean, laurence fox these days is paid _ night. i mean, laurence fox these days is paid to _ night. i mean, laurence fox these days is paid to shock. _ night. i mean, laurence fox these days is paid to shock. so - night. i mean, laurence fox these| days is paid to shock. so shocking, but in _ days is paid to shock. so shocking, but in no _ days is paid to shock. so shocking, but in no way — days is paid to shock. so shocking, but in no way surprising. i was bemused _ but in no way surprising. i was bemused that he went as far as he did it was — bemused that he went as far as he did. it was almost like he was playing — did. it was almost like he was playing chicken with a letter a, his host, _ playing chicken with a letter a, his host. and — playing chicken with a letter a, his host, and b, the viewers, and c, ofcom _ host, and b, the viewers, and c, ofcom and — host, and b, the viewers, and c, 0fcom and various critics. these days _ 0fcom and various critics. these days he — 0fcom and various critics. these days he has _ 0fcom and various critics. these days he has to go further and further— days he has to go further and further to— days he has to go further and further to cause a ripple, and that's— further to cause a ripple, and that's what he did last night. and what about _ that's what he did last night. fific what about dan wootton's reaction, the fact of what he said on air and after the backlash, but he said

later and now being suspended as blue we saw two very different people = blue we saw two very different eo nl; ., blue we saw two very different -eo-- ., ., , people - in the moment, he was cau~ht people - in the moment, he was caught unawares, _ people - in the moment, he was caught unawares, he _ people - in the moment, he was caught unawares, he seemed i people - in the moment, he was caught unawares, he seemed to | people - in the moment, he was i caught unawares, he seemed to give a little snicker— caught unawares, he seemed to give a little snicker like someone in the playground, then of course very quickly. — playground, then of course very quickly, we saw an apology on social media _ quickly, we saw an apology on social media and _ quickly, we saw an apology on social media and heard from ava evans today that he _ media and heard from ava evans today that he was _ media and heard from ava evans today that he was very quickly trying to net that he was very quickly trying to get a _ that he was very quickly trying to get a hold — that he was very quickly trying to get a hold of her to apologise. so a more mature circumspect response came _ more mature circumspect response came forward — but the fact was it was his— came forward — but the fact was it was his show, he was holding the wheel. _ was his show, he was holding the wheel. and — was his show, he was holding the wheel, and he let it go rogue, he let his _ wheel, and he let it go rogue, he let his contributors just sort of say these _ let his contributors just sort of say these dreadful things with no recourse. — say these dreadful things with no recourse, not even to stop him in his tracks — recourse, not even to stop him in his tracks or— recourse, not even to stop him in his tracks or make an apology on behalf— his tracks or make an apology on behalf of— his tracks or make an apology on behalf of his guest and his channel. so either— behalf of his guest and his channel. so either he was ok with it and he let it _ so either he was ok with it and he let it fly. — so either he was ok with it and he let it fly. or— so either he was ok with it and he let it fly, or he wasn't 0k so either he was ok with it and he let it fly, or he wasn't ok with it and he — let it fly, or he wasn't ok with it and he didn't act adequately. that we had a very _ and he didn't act adequately. that we had a very swift _ and he didn't act adequately. that we had a very swift reaction from and he didn't act adequately. tryst we had a very swift reaction from gb news management, putting out the statement and suspending the two

presenters. they do have a reputation of pushing the boundaries at the moment in terms of british television, but on this occasion they acted quite quickly. this is what's so interesting, - they acted quite quickly. this is what's so interesting, if - they acted quite quickly. this is what's so interesting, if we i they acted quite quickly. this is what's so interesting, if we put| they acted quite quickly. this is - what's so interesting, if we put the offence. _ what's so interesting, if we put the offence, the absolute given of the offence _ offence, the absolute given of the offence to — offence, the absolute given of the offence to the site for the moment, what's _ offence to the site for the moment, what's interesting is we are in this uncharted — what's interesting is we are in this uncharted water even for gb news, which _ uncharted water even for gb news, which is _ uncharted water even for gb news, which is that up till now, they've had one — which is that up till now, they've had one ofcom ruling against them on the grounds _ had one ofcom ruling against them on the grounds of not upholding impartiality, and they've got several _ impartiality, and they've got several impending rulings in that regard _ several impending rulings in that regard. this is a new area of the fence _ regard. this is a new area of the fence which _ regard. this is a new area of the fence which some might say is subjective. the gv news boss said they are _ subjective. the gv news boss said they are not talking to us, they're not making — they are not talking to us, they're not making television for the likes of you _ not making television for the likes of you and — not making television for the likes of you and i, they want to reach out and this— of you and i, they want to reach out and this is— of you and i, they want to reach out and this is what people want to opinionated stuff, people speaking without _ opinionated stuff, people speaking without fear of cancellation or censure _ without fear of cancellation or censure. well, this is what happens when _ censure. well, this is what happens when they— censure. well, this is what happens when they let that happen. that's

perhaps— when they let that happen. that's perhaps estimable in theory, but in real life _ perhaps estimable in theory, but in real life we — perhaps estimable in theory, but in real life we get people like laurence fox popping up and being rude, _ laurence fox popping up and being rude, nasty, and threatening and causing _ rude, nasty, and threatening and causing att— rude, nasty, and threatening and causing all this upset. perhaps this will give _ causing all this upset. perhaps this will give them pause for thought, the impartiality rules continue to be waged, but this is something quite _ be waged, but this is something quite different, perhaps even they reatise _ quite different, perhaps even they realise this isn't acceptable. i wonder— realise this isn't acceptable. i wonder what all those people who they are _ wonder what all those people who they are broadcasting to will think of this— they are broadcasting to will think of this stuff but i'm also interested on what your view is on what _ interested on what your view is on what ofcom will now do. they are the regulator _ what ofcom will now do. they are the regulator - _ what ofcom will now do. they are the re . ulato ., , ., regulator - do they need to show the have regulator - do they need to show they have teeth _ regulator - do they need to show they have teeth in _ regulator - do they need to show they have teeth in this _ regulator - do they need to show they have teeth in this case? - they have teeth in this case? they've got bigger battles, i hate to say— they've got bigger battles, i hate to say it. — they've got bigger battles, i hate to say it, then this. offensive and distastefut— to say it, then this. offensive and distasteful as it is, it doesn't threaten _ distasteful as it is, it doesn't threaten democracy in quite the same way as— threaten democracy in quite the same way as we've seen biased political reporting. — way as we've seen biased political reporting, fake news. there are so nrany— reporting, fake news. there are so many battlefields in the media boris

bein- many battlefields in the media boris being waged at the moment, i think if anything. — being waged at the moment, i think if anything, they'll want to just... the amount— if anything, they'll want to just... the amount of public reaction has been _ the amount of public reaction has been so _ the amount of public reaction has been so swift and severe, we've even seen gb _ been so swift and severe, we've even seen gb news self sensor, which is pretty— seen gb news self sensor, which is pretty unprecedented. this might be controversial, but i don't think they— controversial, but i don't think they need _ controversial, but i don't think they need to do that much in this instance. — they need to do that much in this instance, though everybody will be watching _ instance, though everybody will be watching very closely, and i think even _ watching very closely, and i think even gb — watching very closely, and i think even gb news will feel the scrutiny on then _ even gb news will feel the scrutiny on them. ., ., , , on them. caroline, stay with us. am , on them. caroline, stay with us. amy. bring _ on them. caroline, stay with us. amy. bring you _ on them. caroline, stay with us. amy, bring you back _ on them. caroline, stay with us. amy, bring you back in, - on them. caroline, stay with us. amy, bring you back in, i - on them. caroline, stay with us. amy, bring you back in, i was i on them. caroline, stay with us. i amy, bring you back in, i wasjust looking at what was trending on social media, and the top trends in the uk are gb news, dan wootton, and also andrew tate — do you think there this wider issue, like laurence fox says people are trying to cancel him, he seems to have that same feeling as andrew tate, that social media is where we are going to be and people try to cancel us in these culture wars.— to be and people try to cancel us in these culture wars. absolutely, and

i think it's a — these culture wars. absolutely, and i think it's a very _ these culture wars. absolutely, and i think it's a very strategic- these culture wars. absolutely, and i think it's a very strategic move - i think it's a very strategic move on the part of individuals like andrew tate and laurence fox to position themselves very much as this truth teller or marginalised personality that is being silenced or cancelled. but i think what's really worrying is obviously, those individuals and many others like them have that core fan group and core supporters and followers. but it's those people in the middle, those more moderate, if you like, people who don't agree fully but they might say "oh, he's got a few good points, ithought they might say "oh, he's got a few good points, i thought he was right there" — it's those people in particular we should be worried about i think, because they are getting dragged deeper and deeper down the hall of digital misogyny or whatever you want to call it, conspiracy culture. i think it's a serious problem we need to start addressing how social media creates

those chambers and just influences so many parts of society. i’m so many parts of society. i'm interested — so many parts of society. i'm interested on _ so many parts of society. i'm interested on that influence, and particular on younger generations like if there are young female people on social media who see these comments, what they think about it. there is such a normalisation and acceptance, i think when you use terms like someone is being "cancelled" or silenced, we've become desensitized to what that means. because where do we draw the line between allowing people to have their freedom of expression, line between allowing people to have theirfreedom of expression, but also releasing and editing some kind of standard when it comes to what people can say to one another or about one another, or personal information they can share. 50 it's a really collocated thing. i think it's definitely something that me and all the women in my life are frankly tarried about, is this state of misogyny online, as well as in

real life. because of course it has that real—life impact where it's getting really scary for us. caroline, i wonder what you think the answer is to this? the mainstream media, we are regulated and follow the ofcom rules, but that isn't the same for some of these fringe media?— isn't the same for some of these frinae media? ., ., ., ., fringe media? know, and one of the roblems fringe media? know, and one of the problems that _ fringe media? know, and one of the problems that your _ fringe media? know, and one of the problems that your other _ fringe media? know, and one of the problems that your other guest - fringe media? know, and one of the problems that your other guest has | problems that your other guest has highlighted there is that they can perform — highlighted there is that they can perform these kung fu moves, which is taking _ perform these kung fu moves, which is taking an — perform these kung fu moves, which is taking an opponent pots strength internally— is taking an opponent pots strength internally get — for example, a week a-o internally get — for example, a week ago we _ internally get — for example, a week ago we saw— internally get — for example, a week ago we saw a russell brand saying "this— ago we saw a russell brand saying "this is— ago we saw a russell brand saying "this is what they said would happen to me," _ "this is what they said would happen to me." and — "this is what they said would happen to me," and he's denied all the allegations against me, but it's interesting. so the more weight put upon them, they are able to channel it to that— upon them, they are able to channel it to that group, that niche group of very— it to that group, that niche group of very devoted followers, and you mentioned — of very devoted followers, and you mentioned andrew tate, he does a similar— mentioned andrew tate, he does a similar thing. mentioned andrew tate, he does a similarthing. so mentioned andrew tate, he does a similar thing. so you create this very— similar thing. so you create this very polarised battle between people who think— very polarised battle between people who think that they are just

speaking quite normal societal scents — speaking quite normal societal scents and norms, and a bunch of people _ scents and norms, and a bunch of people who — scents and norms, and a bunch of people who seem to think that they are the _ people who seem to think that they are the rebels and they are leading the counterrevolution. where it needs— the counterrevolution. where it needs to — the counterrevolution. where it needs to end, i suppose, is in title regutation — needs to end, i suppose, is in title regutation if— needs to end, i suppose, is in title regulation if it goes on. but then what _ regulation if it goes on. but then what you — regulation if it goes on. but then what you do is create an even more powerful bunch of people who think they have _ powerful bunch of people who think they have more to rebel against. we are right _ they have more to rebel against. we are right in _ they have more to rebel against. we are right in the thick of it, i always come back to good parenting, don't give _ always come back to good parenting, don't give children phones and show them _ don't give children phones and show them how— don't give children phones and show them how to live lives, because social— them how to live lives, because social media is coming for them at every— social media is coming for them at every turn — social media is coming for them at every turn-— social media is coming for them at every turn. amy, the genie on that is out of the _ every turn. amy, the genie on that is out of the bottle, _ every turn. amy, the genie on that is out of the bottle, isn't _ every turn. amy, the genie on that is out of the bottle, isn't it? - every turn. amy, the genie on that is out of the bottle, isn't it? what | is out of the bottle, isn't it? what can we do? i is out of the bottle, isn't it? what can we do?— is out of the bottle, isn't it? what can we do? i think it's about being honest with _ can we do? i think it's about being honest with ourselves, _ can we do? i think it's about being honest with ourselves, you - can we do? i think it's about being honest with ourselves, you know, | can we do? i think it's about being i honest with ourselves, you know, the state at which social media has been allowed to become, and really educating young boys in particular about how easy it is to get sucked into these narratives and online

communities, and actively what they can do, whether it's standing up in the playground to the verbal abuse towards women and girls, or these online spaces — i think awareness is absolutely key. it gets thrown around a lot, but i don't see where else he can start, because you see teachers saying that they are hearing young pupils espousing some of andrew tate's ideology on the playground, and that's a terrifying thought. so i think there is so much in education for both you boys and girls club start at the root of it. thank you both very much forjoining me, as we've been discussing the news that gb news have suspended two of their presenters, dan wootton and laurence fox. you can get more on the story on the bbc news website and app. you are watching bbc news, thanks for tuning in. the time is now 7pm. live from london, this is

bbc news. live from london, this is bbc news. gb news presenter dan wootton is suspended — after his colleague laurence fox made sexist comments on his show. ididn't i didn't think anything would come of it and i don't want to say and pleased by it but ijust think that's probably the best outcome i could've hoped for. heading home — the american soldier who fled to north korea has been returned to us custody. huge crowds of mourners remember the 115 people killed in a fire at an iraqi wedding. the uk prime minister defends the approval of a new oil and gas field — saying it's right for the country's energy security. hello, welcome to the daily global, where we'll bring you the top stories from around the world. we start here in the uk,

where the tv channel gb news has suspended two of its main presenters after comments made