tv HAR Dtalk BBC News September 28, 2023 4:30am-5:01am BST
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heated, as you were saying. yes, but i think that he was fed up with the how many lies were spewed if the last debate to this debate. i think she was just fed up with it and wanted to call him out. they mentioned several things about china, about russia, iran. both she and pence did tie the two together when it comes to ukraine and what putin's role is. but i think what she was back and forth with vivek ramaswamy, she called him out for his own business dealings with china. the flip—flop on social media and then joining tiktok. we discussed at length that the role that that has there in controlling our information. so i thought that she came back with fire but also facts. truth of what they were saying versus what they were saying versus what they were saying versus what they were saying on the stage. i thought that it was powerful for them to see. and it all sounds great when they're
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saying these things as a young person and trump lines but important to have nikki haley there to call him out. qm. important to have nikki haley there to call him out. 0k, dan mercia, there to call him out. 0k, dan mercia. the — there to call him out. 0k, dan mercia, the national— there to call him out. 0k, dan mercia, the national political. mercia, the national political reporter at the messager is still here. in term of the early level campaigning, how important are the foreign policy issues?— important are the foreign policy issues? important are the foreign oli issues? ., ~ ., ., policy issues? you know, i have a hard time _ policy issues? you know, i have a hard time believing _ policy issues? you know, i have a hard time believing that - policy issues? you know, i have a hard time believing that manyj a hard time believing that many voters, whether it is in the republican primary or in the general election, are going to go to the polls with foreign policy really on that i mind. i mean, i spent the day speaking with striking workers here in detroit and the surrounding area, and obviously, their concerns are mostly economic. they talk about their livelihoods. then even talk about the existential existence of a union and the future that they have at the big three motor companies here in detroit. and they're not really talking about foreign policy issues, frankly. i had a few people mention to me the money
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that the united states is sending to ukraine and what good that could do here in a city like detroit. one man gesturing to the potholes in the streets in front of the plant that he was striking at. so you know, foreign policy doesn't really strike me as a critical issue, and you honestly, very rarely, hear donald trump on the campaign trail talking in any detail about foreign policy other than when he brings up an attack line against president biden. and tonight, it was pretty clear that trump's focus was far more on economic issues, issues that are pertinent to the auto industry here in michigan. and in other issues that he has mentioned many times before. this was as much an auto industry football us speech that he gave at the same time that there was a second debate. as it was a traditional trump rally speech with a few auto mentions mixed in. so in terms of foreign policy, i
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think donald trump is leading the republican field, not because of what he says about foreign policy, but the hold, frankly, that he has on the republican base. in large part because of economic issues and the things that he talks about on that side of the ledger. matt, if i can bring you in on that. what's your view around foreign policy mattering to voters or the old reliable economic issue and we're in a cost of living crisis at the moment?— cost of living crisis at the moment? ., ., ~ �* , moment? look, we'll see where the world _ moment? look, we'll see where the world is. _ moment? look, we'll see where the world is, where _ moment? look, we'll see where the world is, where the - moment? look, we'll see where the world is, where the countryl the world is, where the country is, just— the world is, where the country is, just a — the world is, where the country is, just a few months from now. and _ is, just a few months from now. and in_ is, just a few months from now. and in the — is, just a few months from now. and in the next year. but look, there's— and in the next year. but look, there's no— and in the next year. but look, there's no question that the economy— there's no question that the economy is going to be likely top of— economy is going to be likely top of mind among voters. the bottom — top of mind among voters. the bottom line is that inflation and — bottom line is that inflation and the _ bottom line is that inflation and the cost of goods and services _ and the cost of goods and services — that is something that— services — that is something that voters across the board are feeling. and the reality is that— are feeling. and the reality is that right now, this race as a stands, _ that right now, this race as a stands, is _ that right now, this race as a stands, is likely going to be about— stands, is likely going to be about the economy, aboutjobs, about_ about inflation. that is something that notjust primary
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voters _ something that notjust primary voters we're talking about, but has been — voters we're talking about, but has been talked about a lot in this debate. but as you go into the general election, what will be key— the general election, what will be key and it will be in what states? _ be key and it will be in what states? as we all know, it will be states? as we all know, it will he select _ states? as we all know, it will be select key states likely, the battle ground states if you will, _ the battle ground states if you will, that _ the battle ground states if you will, that decide the election. the point _ will, that decide the election. the point brought up about michigan for example, or other states— michigan for example, or other states like wisconsin and pennsylvania. there is no question— pennsylvania. there is no question if you spend time in those — question if you spend time in those states, the economy and 'ob those states, the economy and job growth and keeping jobs in this country and growing jobs in this— this country and growing jobs in this country — that is something that voters across the board are locked in and took. — the board are locked in and look, really, the rally is this - just — look, really, the rally is this - just like _ look, really, the rally is this — just like it was in 2016 with roughly— — just like it was in 2016 with roughly 80,000 votes or so deciding _ roughly 80,000 votes or so deciding that election, that may— deciding that election, that may he _ deciding that election, that may be the case in this next general— may be the case in this next general election as well. so it will come _ general election as well. so it will come down to a handful of states — will come down to a handful of states. potentially the midwest. we'll see how it takes place _ midwest. we'll see how it takes place. where again the economy, these _ place. where again the economy, these kind — place. where again the economy, these kind ofjobs and economic growth — these kind ofjobs and economic growth - — these kind ofjobs and economic growth — it'sjust going to be really— growth — it'sjust going to be really too _ growth — it'sjust going to be really top of mind among the voters — really top of mind among the voters. but again, a week is a lifetime — voters. but again, a week is a lifetime in— voters. but again, a week is a lifetime in politic and we have at the — lifetime in politic and we have at the lot _ lifetime in politic and we have at the lot of weeks to go, not 'ust at the lot of weeks to go, not just in— at the lot of weeks to go, not just in terms of the republican
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nomination process, but getting through— nomination process, but getting through that general election. well— through that general election. we'll see where the country is. but there — we'll see where the country is. but there is no question that the economy is top of mind among _ the economy is top of mind among voter, notjust in the gop — among voter, notjust in the gop but _ among voter, notjust in the gop but across—the—board on both— gop but across—the—board on both sides of the political aisle _ both sides of the political aisle. ., ., ., ~ both sides of the political aisle. ., ., ., ,, , ., aisle. let alone a week being a lifetime in _ aisle. let alone a week being a lifetime in american _ aisle. let alone a week being a lifetime in american politics i lifetime in american politics these days — it feels like one day is so fast are things moving. another big focus of tonight's debate was on crime as well. and we saw chris christie laying out his record in the us attorney's office. matt, do you think that that is something that voters impair as well? that the messages will have landed with people? certainly. i mean, you know, if you _ certainly. i mean, you know, if you ask— certainly. i mean, you know, if you ask voters, not just certainly. i mean, you know, if you ask voters, notjust in cities _ you ask voters, notjust in cities but _ you ask voters, notjust in cities but if suburbs and across _ cities but if suburbs and across the country, the key issues _ across the country, the key issues that they talk about — recent— issues that they talk about — recent polling has shown, not 'ust recent polling has shown, not just the — recent polling has shown, not just the economy, but inflation that are — just the economy, but inflation that are top of mind, but obviously safety, security, crime _ obviously safety, security, crime. that's something that voters — crime. that's something that voters are _ crime. that's something that voters are thinking about as welt — voters are thinking about as well. and look, you know, as we talk about— well. and look, you know, as we talk about where this race is going. — talk about where this race is going, it's going to be the
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candidate who cannot just demonstrate that they can lead on domestic issues or foreign policy— on domestic issues or foreign policy issues like the economy or talking _ policy issues like the economy or talking about ukraine and russia — or talking about ukraine and russia and china policy, but also — russia and china policy, but also can— russia and china policy, but also can lead on law and order, and that— also can lead on law and order, and that is— also can lead on law and order, and that is something that you're _ and that is something that you're going to see voters talk about — you're going to see voters talk about. and obviously, you'll see — about. and obviously, you'll see president biden and the gop candidates and ultimately former— candidates and ultimately former president trump in this race, _ former president trump in this race, have _ former president trump in this race, have different views on that — race, have different views on that that _ race, have different views on that. that was discussed years a-o that. that was discussed years ago in — that. that was discussed years ago in past elections. it will likely— ago in past elections. it will likely come up in this election as well— likely come up in this election as well in— likely come up in this election as well in terms of law and order, _ as well in terms of law and order, in— as well in terms of law and order, in terms of crime. you know, _ order, in terms of crime. you know. that _ order, in terms of crime. you know, that is something that's going — know, that is something that's going to — know, that is something that's going to be centrefold in this race — going to be centrefold in this race as — going to be centrefold in this race as well. so we saw that discussed _ race as well. so we saw that discussed on the debate stage tonight — discussed on the debate stage tonight. you saw some of the candidates leaning into their background. and also looking at candidates who are trying to find — candidates who are trying to find lanes in this race. you're seeing — find lanes in this race. you're seeing ambassador hayley talking about policy and her background. governor christie talking — background. governor christie talking about his background in enforcement —— law enforcement there _ enforcement —— law enforcement there and — enforcement —— law enforcement there. and to be successful in
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there. and to be successful in the republican primary, you have — the republican primary, you have to _ the republican primary, you have to have a lane. and a lot of them — have to have a lane. and a lot of them are trying to figure out what _ of them are trying to figure out what their lane is. former president _ out what their lane is. former president trump is taking up a wide _ president trump is taking up a wide range in the lane. if you look— wide range in the lane. if you look at — wide range in the lane. if you look at that, candidates will lean — look at that, candidates will lean into— look at that, candidates will lean into the backgrounds and see where they can fit into this— see where they can fit into this race _ see where they can fit into this race-— see where they can fit into this race. well, speaking of candidates _ this race. well, speaking of candidates looking - this race. well, speaking of candidates looking for - this race. well, speaking of. candidates looking for lanes, ron desantis had a very strong position on abortion. so let's have a listen to what he said earlier. i have a listen to what he said earlier. . ., ., earlier. i re'ect the idea that pro-urers — earlier. i reject the idea that pro-lifers are _ earlier. i reject the idea that pro-lifers are to _ earlier. i reject the idea that pro-lifers are to blame - earlier. i reject the idea that pro-lifers are to blame for. pro—lifers are to blame for medium—term defeats. i think that there are other reasons for that. the former president, you know, he's missing in action tonight. he's had a lot to say about that. he should be here explaining his comments to try to say that pro—life protections are subpoenaing a terrible thing. i want him to look into the eyes and tell people who have been fighting the fight for a long time. maura, that issue of abortion, pro—life, pro—choice, is something where there are some gaps between the candidates and their positions?—
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their positions? absolutely, and republicans _ their positions? absolutely, and republicans have - their positions? absolutely, and republicans have long i and republicans have long refused to answer that question directly, because it is really challenging, especially to get through a primary and then to go to a general if you're going to have a really strong stance on it. last debate, nikki haley answers the question on abortion beautifully, and as an aduu abortion beautifully, and as an adult in the room. coming at it from all different angles and talking about childcare and adoption and talking about struggles for women to get pregnant in the first place. all of the things were part of the conversation and she was able to do it well, especially as the only woman on the stage. to me, it's always been a really interesting issue on the republican side of the aisle on abortion, because i think when you talk in terms of pro—choice and pro—life, you're automatically setting yourself up automatically setting yourself up for a fight. and the question really isn't about — is it right or wrong? the question is — should the federal government have a say. and if you're a conservative who believes in a smaller more accountable government, the unequivocal answer to that is no. so talking about things as state based issues is the
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approach that the republicans should be taking rather than getting into this moral compass issue on the issue of abortion. which again, nikki haley did well in recognising the reality of getting to a general, and winning is impossible if you have a super strict abortion stance as some on the stage do. dan, he'll bring you in on thatment what's your view? you have abeen talking to voters there. this is something that they're watching out for? yeah, not to contradict _ they're watching out for? yeah, not to contradict the _ they're watching out for? yeah, not to contradict the governor l not to contradict the governor of florida. _ not to contradict the governor of florida, but you talk to people _ of florida, but you talk to people who actually ran campaigns in 2022 — republicans and democrats. and they will say that — and democrats. and they will say that the dobbs decision that— say that the dobbs decision that overturned roe v wade was a monumental moment in the cap pain and _ a monumental moment in the cap pain and did give a tonne of mum— pain and did give a tonne of mum um— pain and did give a tonne of mum um to democrats in the medium—term elections. you saw fundraising — medium—term elections. you saw fundraising go up. you —— momentum. you saw volunteers go up. you — momentum. you saw volunteers go up. you saw— momentum. you saw volunteers go up. you saw general campaigning io up. you saw general campaigning go up~ _
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up. you saw general campaigning go up~ and — up. you saw general campaigning go up. and most importantly, it gave _ go up. and most importantly, it gave democrats something to run on explicitly at a time when you — on explicitly at a time when you know, there were questions about— you know, there were questions about the — you know, there were questions about the economy, what was happening. it gave them an issue — happening. it gave them an issue to _ happening. it gave them an issue to really run on. so you talk— issue to really run on. so you talk about— issue to really run on. so you talk about republicans who ran for office — talk about republicans who ran for office in 2022. some of whom _ for office in 2022. some of whom lost in part because of the abortion issue. and they will say— the abortion issue. and they will say that that issue was decisive _ will say that that issue was decisive for democrats in a number— decisive for democrats in a number of key races and democrats are banking on a number— democrats are banking on a number of same things being true — number of same things being true in— number of same things being true in 2024. talking to the biden— true in 2024. talking to the biden campaign, they have made it an issue — biden campaign, they have made it an issue in part because of how— it an issue in part because of how well— it an issue in part because of how well it has performed at the ballot box with voters. not only in — the ballot box with voters. not only in loose states, about you you're — only in loose states, about you you're seeing abortion ballot questions win in states like kansas _ questions win in states like kansas. you're seeing abortion being _ kansas. you're seeing abortion being a — kansas. you're seeing abortion being a pivotal issue in ballot questions in ohio. it's certainly not a state where you're _ certainly not a state where you're going to see a tonne of money— you're going to see a tonne of money being spent forjoe biden competing for the nomination. so i actually think that the democrats see abortion as a pathway— democrats see abortion as a
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pathway to victory in 2024 because _ pathway to victory in 2024 because of 2022. and you've actuallv _ because of 2022. and you've actually seen some indications that former president donald trump — that former president donald trump understands that. he has actually— trump understands that. he has actually said that there are issues _ actually said that there are issues with the way republicans have _ issues with the way republicans have talked about this issue of abortion— have talked about this issue of abortion in the past. and that's— abortion in the past. and that's what ron desantis was hinting — that's what ron desantis was hinting on. and as the other guest — hinting on. and as the other guest said about lanes — ron desantis _ guest said about lanes — ron desantis himself signed a six—week abortion ban in the state — six—week abortion ban in the state of— six—week abortion ban in the state of florida. his lane at this— state of florida. his lane at this point, in part because of the laws _ this point, in part because of the laws that passed in florida, is as someone who is a champion— florida, is as someone who is a champion for the pro—life cause because — champion for the pro—life cause because of— champion for the pro—life cause because of what he signed in florida _ because of what he signed in florida. that is a bit different than donald trump who, _ different than donald trump who, of— different than donald trump who, of course, ushered in the supreme — who, of course, ushered in the supreme court a number of absolutes as president that made — absolutes as president that made it— absolutes as president that made it possible for roe v wade to be _ made it possible for roe v wade to be overturned. but i think you're — to be overturned. but i think you're already seeing that donald _ you're already seeing that donald trump — a man who knows or at— donald trump — a man who knows or at least— donald trump — a man who knows or at least expects that he will — or at least expects that he will be _ or at least expects that he will be the nominee for the republican party in 2024 is trying — republican party in 2024 is trying to— republican party in 2024 is trying to figure out a different message on abortion. now, _ different message on abortion. now, that doesn't take away from — now, that doesn't take away from his— now, that doesn't take away from his background and what he
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has said — from his background and what he has said in— from his background and what he has said in the past and what he has — has said in the past and what he has done. but as you know, campaigns— he has done. but as you know, campaigns are as much about rhetoric— campaigns are as much about rhetoric as they are about past statements and past positions. and i_ statements and past positions. and i think that the former president is trying to recalibrate his rhetoric on the issue — recalibrate his rhetoric on the issue as — recalibrate his rhetoric on the issue as much as he can because he speaks — issue as much as he can because he speaks so much and so frequently about a whole host of issues. ~ ., frequently about a whole host of issues— of issues. matt, what about ou? of issues. matt, what about you? how— of issues. matt, what about you? how do _ of issues. matt, what about you? how do you _ of issues. matt, what about you? how do you think- of issues. matt, what about you? how do you think that j you? how do you think that abortion will play through this campaign?— campaign? certainly, to that oint campaign? certainly, to that point and — campaign? certainly, to that point and what _ campaign? certainly, to that point and what we _ campaign? certainly, to that point and what we saw - campaign? certainly, to that point and what we saw in - campaign? certainly, to that| point and what we saw in the debate, the candidates are trying to find points of difference, if you will. not just amongst themselves but amongst themselves and former president trump. and you saw some of the candidates lean into that with this issue. the reality is that we've seen a past general elections in particular — this issue of abortion. it's going to energise the political bases on both sides of the political isle. the real question will be — where do the undecided voters who are likely to side to the general election in many of the
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key states and many of the states where it will be raiser thin margins if you will in deciding who wins or loses some of the key battle ground states in 2024. where do they end up coming in on the issue? there's no question that this is an issue, the issue of abortion thatis issue, the issue of abortion that is top of mind among voters — notjust in the gop republican primary for president, but in the general election. all to say what that said — you know, other issues, at least if you look at polling out there and the data — issues of the economy, jobs, inflation — those tend to be ranking a bit higher in terms of where voters are leaning into making decisions around casting their ballots. but again, not to be redundant on this point, we're still a long way out here and we'll see how the issues of abortion and the other issues that we're talking about. where those rankjust in terms of voters, in terms of how they view the issues that they're leaning into with this race. there's a ways to go here in terms of the general election,
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but no question for the general election. the issue of abortion will be energising both sides of the political basis on both sides of the political aisle as we've seen in the past. all moura, a few advising how would you be advising them to approach the issue of abortion at this point? i approach the issue of abortion at this point?— at this point? i would advise them to look _ at this point? i would advise them to look at _ at this point? i would advise them to look at this - at this point? i would advise them to look at this from i at this point? i would advise them to look at this from a l them to look at this from a governmental lens not a moral lens, i think that will be a losing argument, and to avoid the missteps of contradicting themselves. you cannot say you are for small government and then say half the population should not have control over their own medical freedom. should not have control over their own medicalfreedom. it is very contradictory to the core principles are being a conservative and believing in small government, they should model of nikki haley, talk about childcare, care for mothers finding more programmes that can help mothers and
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adoption, some of the things we can be focusing on around the conversation of abortion, may be better suited for a general election as well as some voters who are republican who may be are outspoken on this issue very deep on that, should be invited to this conversation as well and you can do that by addressing other issues around abortion. . ., , abortion. ok, i want to bring in the bbc — abortion. ok, i want to bring in the bbc north _ abortion. ok, i want to bring in the bbc north america - in the bbc north america correspondence anthony zurcher who is beside me having dashed from the spin room after the debate, what is the mood like in their common terms of the candidates coming off stage and all their surrogates and close team members? it all their surrogates and close team members?— all their surrogates and close team members? it is chaotic, like the debate _ team members? it is chaotic, like the debate itself - team members? it is chaotic, | like the debate itself everyone will be claiming victory but it is clear the ron desantis campus pretty happy with his performance, as i am sure you discovered there was a change of strategy early on with ron desantis deciding to go after donald trump, saying he was
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missing in action by name, that was a difference from what we saw in the first debate. tim scott's am feeling pretty good about his change of strategy which was to be more aggressive, to mix it up a little bit more with the other candidates. i think as we discussed in the first debate he took a happy above the fray attitude, and that may have cost him a bit. he was a little more aggressive this time. it was also interesting to see nikki haley again going on the attack on multiple different directions, vivek ramaswamy, a little bit more on the defence of this time as he continues to attract attention from the other candidates and attacks may be even more pointed this time the last time. it seems last time the attacks were more frustration and who is this guy, this time they did research and were able to hit him like things like tim scott did on china.— him like things like tim scott did on china. you use the word aggressive. — did on china. you use the word aggressive. it _ did on china. you use the word aggressive, it was _ did on china. you use the word
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aggressive, it was all- did on china. you use the word aggressive, it was all in - did on china. you use the word aggressive, it was all in a - aggressive, it was all in a more energised debate and candidates were not waiting to jump candidates were not waiting to jump in on top of each other? they were all talking over each other often times, vivek ramaswamy saying i think you for talking while interrupting, snidely which is a freudian slip but a telling one. this debate at the end will not help any of these candidates because it was so contentious and might help donald trump because it does not change the dynamic and our domestic news partner cbs is reporting a senior donald trump aid is telling them that donald trump will skip the miami debate next month as well. that i think is a sign that donald trump does not feel like his absence here or last week is costing him anything politically. it week is costing him anything politically-— politically. it was interesting because the _ politically. it was interesting because the candidates - politically. it was interesting - because the candidates rounded on him, much earlier than they had the last time. did you think there was almost an air of desperation to what we saw
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tonight? of desperation to what we saw toni . ht? . , of desperation to what we saw toniaht? ., ., tonight? there was, as we talked about _ tonight? there was, as we talked about today - tonight? there was, as we talked about today it - tonight? there was, as we talked about today it is - talked about today it is getting late early for these candidates, not only because the poles are not turning for them but we will find out the latest fundraising numbers for the last few months next month and all of them are trying to gin upa and all of them are trying to gin up a little bit more money because those fundraising numbers, when people look down at them they will say these candidates are no longer viable, they are running out of money and not bringing in the same amount of money when they entered the race, that tells us they will fold up and pretty soon because as the saying goes campaigns do not quit theyjust run out of money and i think we will see some campaigns running out of money soon. bill will see some campaigns running out of money soon.— out of money soon. all the folks gathered _ out of money soon. all the folks gathered her - out of money soon. all the folks gathered her as - out of money soon. all the folks gathered her as we . out of money soon. all the - folks gathered her as we heard earlier in the programme were donors, many big rolling donors, many big rolling donors, do you think based on the performances here many people will be persuaded with their cash? i people will be persuaded with their cash?— people will be persuaded with their cash? i think nikki haley has been showing _ their cash? i think nikki haley has been showing signs - their cash? i think nikki haley has been showing signs of - has been showing signs of interest from big—money donors, who may have been looking at an
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alternative to donald trump and backing ron desantis early on and then maybe looking at tim scott for a while and may be tim scott helped himself with this debate by showing he was willing to mix it up a little bit more. i would say, right out of the people on that stage, the ones best positioning themselves to be an alternative to donald trump, nikki haley, tim scott and ron desantis did not have a bad debate, he was able to drive home the point about i have a record of accomplishment in florida, i have stood up to these other interests that are battling against conservatives and line how the florida democratic party is in ruins because of ron desantis, that is just the truth. florida used to be a swing state and once ron desantis started running and won re—election it is not any more, the democrats are on the back heel in florida in the way they have not been for a
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very long time. he way they have not been for a very long time.— very long time. he also gave some clearly _ very long time. he also gave some clearly thought - very long time. he also gave some clearly thought about. very long time. he also gave i some clearly thought about an advance answers, he managed to get in about his background going to gail, having served abroad almost like he was using it to advertise himself to people who are not aware of them. —— joao almeida. people who are not aware of them. -- joao almeida. there were commercials _ them. -- joao almeida. there were commercials that - them. -- joao almeida. there were commercials that ran - them. -- joao almeida. there were commercials that ran in l were commercials that ran in between the debate touting ron desantis and his record and to draw a contrast with donald trump, it said only one candidate served in the military and the other candidate did not, only one candidate did not, only one candidate one re—election the other candidate did not. it was interesting and that it was clearly putting himself as a contrast to donald trump, although you have to mention donald trump eventually and he did at the beginning of the debate but did not press home that attack as much as i thought he might, given that he came out of the gate so early on with that line with donald trump, may crusading a change of strategy that did not show up of strategy that did not show up later in the debate. we will
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wait to see — up later in the debate. we will wait to see what _ up later in the debate. we will wait to see what the _ up later in the debate. we will wait to see what the next - up later in the debate. we will. wait to see what the next round of polls tells us about that, anthony zurcher, thank you for joining us. the panel is still with us. matter, maura gillespie and dan merica, we are almost out of time. i will work around you to get your final thoughts on the winners and losers and what we might expect to see next. dan, starting with you? i expect to see next. dan, starting with you?- expect to see next. dan, starting with you? i was not at the debate _ starting with you? i was not at the debate i _ starting with you? i was not at the debate i was _ starting with you? i was not at the debate i was at _ starting with you? i was not at the debate i was at a - starting with you? i was not at the debate i was at a donald l the debate i was at a donald trump event and i have to admit donald trump was likely the winner tonight. donald trump was likely the winnertonight. i do donald trump was likely the winner tonight. i do not get the sense from what i saw does not seem like anything has really changed in the republican primary, and it is very clear at this point donald trump sees himself as the front runner for this trump sees himself as the front runnerfor this race trump sees himself as the front runner for this race and trump sees himself as the front runnerfor this race and is already positioning himself as already positioning himself as a general election candidate and running againstjoe biden not the other assembled republicans on the stage. that may change if one candidate catches fire but at this point
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feels somewhat unlikely both because of donald trump's positioning and what happened at the debate tonight. band at the debate tonight. and moura, what _ at the debate tonight. and moura, what were - at the debate tonight. and moura, what were your high and low points and what you expect to see happen next? mr; low points and what you expect to see happen next?— to see happen next? my low oint to see happen next? my low point was — to see happen next? my low point was hearing _ to see happen next? my low point was hearing mike - to see happen next? my low. point was hearing mike pence about his teacher, that whole section was very awkward to listen to a very cringing moment, i think my high was hearing there is actually a i would like to see vivek ramaswamy be muted for talking and talking over everyone in. here is hoping they use it next time. ., . time. you are right there, there was _ time. you are right there, there was a _ time. you are right there, there was a lot _ time. you are right there, there was a lot of - time. you are right there, there was a lot of talking l time. you are right there, - there was a lot of talking over each other in a way we have not seen? what do you think voters think when they see that? we've not to be think when they see that? we've got to be frustrated _ think when they see that? we've got to be frustrated because - got to be frustrated because they want to hear what people have to say and again when
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vivek ramaswamy was spewing different things that were not only not consistent with what he said at the previous debate but inaccurate and been caught up but inaccurate and been caught up with things he has done like nikki haley hit on him for several things, nikki haley hit on him for severalthings, it nikki haley hit on him for several things, it is frustrating for me watching and for people watching at home. it's frustrating to hear has been told he has no time left to talk over four minutes and minutes and minutes go by and you do not get to hearfrom other candidates, i do think using the mute button would be a good option for cutting off someone's microphone for the next time around so we can hear from the candidates, substantial answers, notjust substantial answers, not just bickering. substantial answers, not “ust bickeringfi substantial answers, not “ust bickerinu. ~ . . bickering. matthew, what were our hi . h bickering. matthew, what were your high and _ bickering. matthew, what were your high and low— bickering. matthew, what were your high and low points, - your high and low points, what do you think will happen next? certainly, it's unlikely the debate will change this race, you saw the candidate have discussions among themselves
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the candidate missing from the stage was donald trump he will remain likely front runner of the race the heels of tonight �*s debate, ultimately the watch for here is what candidates remain in the race, you will see the field window a bit and lower, we have seen some candidates such as governor hutchison stepped out of the race, in the in these candidates are notjust trying to win over new voters and keep the base of support they are trying to appeal to donors because it is not an inexpensive journey in terms of running for president, it costs money and lock the bit in many cases, you will see candidate appealing to donors as well. going forward it has been announced for my president trump will not be at the next debate, we will see if that changes but the bottom line is sees himself in many see him now is the front runner and ultimately likely the nominee in terms of the republican nomination for president, we
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will see if any of that changes but for my president trump appears to be the front—runner and of other candidates have to draw contrast with him and find ways to catch up, there is not a lot time left in terms of those key states of iowa, new hampshire voting it's a race downtimes —— in terms of getting there and we will see what those candidates do. we will leave it _ what those candidates do. we will leave it there for tonight. matt terrill, maura gillespie and dan merica, thank you forjoining us and our guests earlier. that is it for the special bbc coverage of the second us republican presidential debate. we are here in california outside the ronald reagan presidential library. thank you forjoining in and watching. stay with us on bbc news, we will head off to our colleagues in london and leave you with these live images from london. by by.
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hello. wednesday brought the first named storm of the autumn. storm agnes, which did most of its developing out in the atlantic, so it was a well—formed storm by the time it made our shores, bringing with it gales and severe gale—force winds along with a lot of heavy rain, so the two combined giving those hazardous travel conditions, and still pushing northwards during the night on wednesday into thursday. a little ridge of high pressure, but another area of low pressure with some heavy rain coming back in during the second part of thursday. ahead of that, some cloudiness in the morning and some patches of rain but hopefully the cloud breaking up and a lot of dry and bright weather across central and eastern areas, whilst further west, we've got rain coming up from the south and rain coming in from the west. not as windy as wednesday away from the northern isles, but still a blustery day, particularly near the showers and still quite pleasantly warm for late september, temperatures above the average, possibly 19—20 celsius in southern and eastern areas.
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and then, through the night, we get some more heavy, potentially thundery rain crossing into southern areas, that weather front with us in the north. a rash of showers following behind and a slightly fresher night, particularly for northern ireland, scotland, northern england. in the south, with rain band close by, it'll still be quite mild. and it's still close by friday morning before the ridge of high pressure builds in behind it, so we could wake to some rain across southern areas, and we will have some showers across the far north and west of scotland throughout the day, one or two elsewhere in northwestern parts, but also a lot of dry and bright weather in between with some sunshine which, again, will lift our temperatures with the wind starting to ease a little, into the high teens and possibly 20 celsius. this is why — a ridge of high pressure, which brings us to the start of the weekend. i think it'll be quite a cool start on saturday morning, 5s and 6s, close to ground frost levels in the north. patchy mist and patchy fog at this time of year takes till mid—morning to clear.
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once it does so, then we've got a decent day in terms of dry, bright, quite sunny weather, which should hang on in central and eastern areas, but we do get more rain back into northern ireland, western scotland, northwest england as we head through the afternoon and towards evening. but ahead of that, high teens, the mid—teens in the north. so that band of rain pushes its way through, possibly some strong winds as well through saturday night into sunday. clearing away and then we've got showers following on behind, so it does look as if, again, there'll be quite a good deal of usable weather on sunday. quite a number of showers in the north and the front in the south may well drag its heels and that cloud take a time to clear, but look at the temperatures. the winds are lighter, still relatively warm air and we're heading into the start of october. temperatures look as if they'll still get into the low 20s. that low pressure is around monday, tuesday. it may become slow—moving, the weather front, in the south but then high pressure builds and moves and then drifts its way eastwards, so it's just visiting, but as it does, so bringing a good deal of dry weather towards the south but it does then allow the unsettled
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low pressure to come back into the north and west. but what's interesting is, as it does move in, it'll allow the temperatures by day to rise just a little bit, so it may well be the start of october but it does still look as if be achieving temperatures above the seasonal average, and it's already looking like it could be close to a record—breaking warm septemberfor some parts of england. as ever, we'll keep you posted. warnings online. $z/startfeed. live from london, this is bbc news.
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seven candidates face each other in the latest republican party presidential debate in california, but most are talking about the one who is missing — donald trump. iamat i am at the ronald reagan presidential library where the debate took place. it is over now and the teams look at who were the winners and losers. tributes are paid to the 15 year old girl killed on her way to school in south london — police are investigating the murder. and a bbc investigation finds that uk police officers have been misusing their body worn cameras —— but the national police chiefs' council
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