we are leaving our international coverage to focus on a political issue ahead of the general election. with the conservative party conference getting under way, it seems the prime minister is positioning himself to make a strong push to appeal to voters in the run—up to the campaign. rifihi push to appeal to voters in the run-up to the campaign. rishi sunak is set to unveil _ run-up to the campaign. rishi sunak is set to unveil policies _ run-up to the campaign. rishi sunak is set to unveil policies aimed - run-up to the campaign. rishi sunak is set to unveil policies aimed at - is set to unveil policies aimed at drivers, including a possible ban on councils in england imposing 20 mph speed limit on main roads. where do these carfriendly speed limit on main roads. where do these car friendly policies leave cycling and walking campaigners? why is the prime minister appearing to specifically be after the motorists vote. let's ask our deputy political editor who joins us from westminster. talkers through what we

are expecting the prime minister to say. are expecting the prime minister to sa . ,, _ are expecting the prime minister to sa . ,, , are expecting the prime minister to sa. ,, say. downing street say it is all speculation. — say. downing street say it is all speculation, so _ say. downing street say it is all speculation, so they _ say. downing street say it is all speculation, so they won't - say. downing street say it is all. speculation, so they won't confirm it. with a party gathering this weekend, there are sure to be a raft of policies coming forward. we expect something, we aren't sure what it is going to be. we got a hint yesterday in a series of interviews with rishi sunak where he talks about the fact the vast majority of journeys talks about the fact the vast majority ofjourneys people make are in their cars. he's been unashamedly pro—motorists. the guardian newspaper is reporting what they might be looking out as a restriction on how councils can bring in those 20 mph zones. there may be fewer fines using cameras. and restricting when bus lanes can be for buses only. the government has already done a bit of a u—turn

on this when it comes to talking about those low traffic neighbourhoods. we've seen this before. untilthe neighbourhoods. we've seen this before. until the summer, the government was giving grants to councils, which has been staffed and there will be reviews over this. it is a dividing issue, the conservative government thinks it is a dividing issue with labour and the liberal democrats. it divides its own party and that is the risk were rishi sunak. there's been some complaints from tory mps saying it is a anti green agenda but they've identified it as popular with the voters they are trying to attract. this is the issue here, looking at the weekend ahead. how do you think this will go down? we don't know what he is going to say, but when we are seeing these agendas trickle out. what do you think the reaction will be? it

out. what do you think the reaction will be? , , �* will be? it will be mixed, but he'll be hoinu will be? it will be mixed, but he'll be heping when — will be? it will be mixed, but he'll be hoping when you _ will be? it will be mixed, but he'll be hoping when you got _ will be? it will be mixed, but he'll be hoping when you got a - will be? it will be mixed, but he'll be hoping when you got a cost - will be? it will be mixed, but he'll be hoping when you got a cost ofl be hoping when you got a cost of living crisis, he's saying i'm on your side, trying to reduce costs. there will be a row about the idea of central government, of people sitting here in westminster, telling local councils what is best for the local councils what is best for the local street. local councils what is best for the localstreet. don't local councils what is best for the local street. don't forget, there is fines which are irritating, no one wants to get fined for going into a boxjunction, it raises revenue, so there's a wider question about the bold government. there is no doubt rishi sunak is coming out and saying what he thinks about all of this. he would say he's not anti green, but there's been some things which means some in his own party think it is focusing on the ultra low emission zone, it's been contentious, and

some saying labour didn't win uxbridge because of the labour mayor pushing forward the green agenda. the think rishi sunak is looking at that? i the think rishi sunak is looking at that? 4' the think rishi sunak is looking at that? ~ ,., 4' the think rishi sunak is looking at that? ~ ,., ~ �* , that? i think so. i think there's some concern _ that? i think so. i think there's some concern that _ that? i think so. i think there's some concern that because - that? i think so. i think there's| some concern that because the concept is one the by—election against the yards, maybe they are extrapolating a little too much out of it. that was because people were fed up about having to get rid of their diesel car because of these new charges, that maybe they have gone too far. there's no doubt there's been a shift in the government and the moves they are making, notjust because of the conference, but even though it is a year or more away, we are running up to the general election. the government are coming out with a raft of policies and trying to put pressure on labour to say, what would you do? just pressure on labour to say, what would you do?— pressure on labour to say, what would you do? just before you go, the think we _ would you do? just before you go, the think we will— would you do? just before you go, the think we will see _ would you do? just before you go, the think we will see a _ would you do? just before you go, the think we will see a lot - would you do? just before you go, the think we will see a lot of-

would you do? just before you go, the think we will see a lot of focusj the think we will see a lot of focus in the run—up to the general election, all parties trying to get votes, but a focus on drivers, on green initiatives question i think so, and i think the last couple of weeks is to go by, it will. it resonates with people. it is a dividing issue. both the conservatives and labour are happy to have it as a dividing issue. you speak to labour politicians, they think the tories have missed read the mood. they think people are pretty happy with the so—called green agenda, even in some cases if it means it cost them more money. vicky young, our deputy political editor, thank you forjoining us live from westminster. a lot of you have sent in your questions. it is time to get your questions answered. joining me is rod king, founder and

campaign director of 20 is plenty for us. bay campaign for cities and towns around the world better places. 0ur towns around the world better places. our next guest is simon williams from the rac. and also we have henry hill. thank you for joining us on bbc news. as i said, we have a few questions from our audience. we want to create a healthy debate and hear all your views. do feel free to discuss with one another and get involved in what should be a healthy debate. first of all, i want to focus on one of the things vicky was mentioning, this possible ban the prime minister rishi sunak could bring in on councils in england, imposing this 20 mile an hour speed limit on main roads. simon, from the rac, what are

your thoughts on this possible ban on councils doing that question the devil is in the detail. we on councils doing that question the devil is in the detail.— devil is in the detail. we would need to see — devil is in the detail. we would need to see what _ devil is in the detail. we would need to see what is _ devil is in the detail. we would need to see what is involved. l devil is in the detail. we would - need to see what is involved. wales has rolled out a similar policy but had not every road is 20 mph. some are still 30. we are in favour of 20 being used in the right direction, run schools and residential areas. it is a question of being used properly. there are some roads that are big conduits of traffic which don't have many pedestrians, where 30 would be more suitable. and. don't have many pedestrians, where 30 would be more suitable. and, rod, ou been 30 would be more suitable. and, rod, you been campaigning _ 30 would be more suitable. and, rod, you been campaigning for _ 30 would be more suitable. and, rod, you been campaigning for 20 - 30 would be more suitable. and, rod, you been campaigning for 20 mph - you been campaigning for 20 mph speed limits. what is your response to this question i think the difficulty is understanding how it can be contemplated. the responsibility _ can be contemplated. the responsibility of _ can be contemplated. the responsibility of spotting speeding limits_ responsibility of spotting speeding limits rests solely on the local

authoritx _ limits rests solely on the local authority. they all the ones responsible. the government can issue _ responsible. the government can issue guidance, saying this is the principal, — issue guidance, saying this is the principal, orwe issue guidance, saying this is the principal, or we would like you to do this _ principal, or we would like you to do this. that's a very clear responsibility for local authorities that they— responsibility for local authorities that they have to take all things into consideration, and even looking at the _ into consideration, and even looking at the last— into consideration, and even looking at the last guidance from this governments, that 20 per hour limit should _ governments, that 20 per hour limit should he _ governments, that 20 per hour limit should be set or considered on main roads— should be set or considered on main roads whether limits to vulnerable roads whether limits to vulnerable road users — roads whether limits to vulnerable road users outweigh an effect on journey— road users outweigh an effect on journey time. it is very unclear exactly— journey time. it is very unclear exactly what power the government has to _ exactly what power the government has to do _ exactly what power the government has to do this. the government has the power— has to do this. the government has the power to split a dash set a national— the power to split a dash set a national speed limit. once again, it's the _

national speed limit. once again, it's the local authorities who have the power— it's the local authorities who have the power to set exceptions. it will be interesting. one of the things that is— be interesting. one of the things that is underneath all this is 20 mph _ that is underneath all this is 20 mph limits has not been a hugely political— mph limits has not been a hugely political issue. we have local authority— political issue. we have local authority administrations of all political— authority administrations of all political colours implementing 20 mph limits across their authorities. indeed _ mph limits across their authorities. lndeed at— mph limits across their authorities. indeed at this very moment, conservative cornwall is rolling out speedily— conservative cornwall is rolling out speedily to towns and villages, including some main roads. if you step outside the houses of parliament on the aroad, you've got a 20 ma _ parliament on the aroad, you've got a 20 ma per— parliament on the aroad, you've got a 20 ma per hour limit put there by the city— a 20 ma per hour limit put there by the city of— a 20 ma per hour limit put there by the city of westminster council. it is very— the city of westminster council. it is very unclear at this stage what the government is contemplating, and certainly— the government is contemplating, and certainly what it could be

delivering.— certainly what it could be delivering. certainly what it could be deliverinu. , ~' ., ., �* delivering. henry, i know we don't aet ou delivering. henry, i know we don't get you for— delivering. henry, i know we don't get you for too _ delivering. henry, i know we don't get you for too long. _ delivering. henry, i know we don't get you for too long. what - delivering. henry, i know we don't get you for too long. what do - delivering. henry, i know we don't get you for too long. what do you | get you for too long. what do you think political thinking is here? the thinking is the government is facing _ the thinking is the government is facing a _ the thinking is the government is facing a general— the thinking is the government is facing a general election- the thinking is the government is facing a general election next- the thinking is the government is. facing a general election next year, it is a _ facing a general election next year, it is a way— facing a general election next year, it is a way behind _ facing a general election next year, it is a way behind in— facing a general election next year, it is a way behind in the _ facing a general election next year, it is a way behind in the polls - facing a general election next year, it is a way behind in the polls and l it is a way behind in the polls and expecting — it is a way behind in the polls and expecting another— it is a way behind in the polls and expecting another difficult - it is a way behind in the polls and | expecting another difficult winter, energy— expecting another difficult winter, energy bills — expecting another difficult winter, energy bills and _ expecting another difficult winter, energy bills and inflation. - expecting another difficult winter, energy bills and inflation. nhs- energy bills and inflation. nhs problems— energy bills and inflation. nhs problems haven't _ energy bills and inflation. nhs problems haven't gone - energy bills and inflation. nhs problems haven't gone away. i energy bills and inflation. nhs. problems haven't gone away. the government— problems haven't gone away. the government is— problems haven't gone away. the government is looking _ problems haven't gone away. the government is looking for- problems haven't gone away. the| government is looking for policies which _ government is looking for policies which people _ government is looking for policies which people can _ government is looking for policies which people can really— government is looking for policies which people can really tangibly. which people can really tangibly appreciate _ which people can really tangibly appreciate. they— which people can really tangibly appreciate. they have - which people can really tangibly. appreciate. they have calculated, partly _ appreciate. they have calculated, partly in — appreciate. they have calculated, partly in the — appreciate. they have calculated, partly in the aftermath _ appreciate. they have calculated, partly in the aftermath of- appreciate. they have calculated, partly in the aftermath of the - partly in the aftermath of the 0xhridge _ partly in the aftermath of the oxbridge election, _ partly in the aftermath of the oxbridge election, that - partly in the aftermath of the| oxbridge election, that these partly in the aftermath of the - oxbridge election, that these are policies _ oxbridge election, that these are policies people _ oxbridge election, that these are policies people can _ oxbridge election, that these are policies people can connect - oxbridge election, that these are policies people can connect with.j oxbridge election, that these are i policies people can connect with. if you are _ policies people can connect with. if you are a _ policies people can connect with. if you are a motorist _ policies people can connect with. if you are a motorist or— policies people can connect with. if you are a motorist or in— policies people can connect with. if you are a motorist or in an - policies people can connect with. if you are a motorist or in an area - you are a motorist or in an area subject— you are a motorist or in an area subject to — you are a motorist or in an area subject to one _ you are a motorist or in an area subject to one of— you are a motorist or in an area subject to one of these - you are a motorist or in an area subject to one of these limits . you are a motorist or in an area| subject to one of these limits or the other— subject to one of these limits or the other things, _ subject to one of these limits or the other things, if— subject to one of these limits or the other things, if you - subject to one of these limits or the other things, if you are - the other things, if you are thinking _ the other things, if you are thinking about— the other things, if you are thinking about forcing - the other things, if you are thinking about forcing to i the other things, if you are - thinking about forcing to upgrade your car, — thinking about forcing to upgrade your car, which— thinking about forcing to upgrade your car, which is— thinking about forcing to upgrade your car, which is what _ thinking about forcing to upgrade your car, which is what rishi - thinking about forcing to upgrade i your car, which is what rishi sunak pushback, — your car, which is what rishi sunak pushback, the _ your car, which is what rishi sunak pushback, the government - your car, which is what rishi sunak pushback, the government are - pushback, the government are thinking — pushback, the government are thinking that _ pushback, the government are thinking that you _ pushback, the government are thinking that you as _ pushback, the government are thinking that you as a - pushback, the government are thinking that you as a motorist pushback, the government are - thinking that you as a motorist will feel is— thinking that you as a motorist will feel is a _ thinking that you as a motorist will feel is a tangible _ thinking that you as a motorist will feel is a tangible benefit _ thinking that you as a motorist will

feel is a tangible benefit and - thinking that you as a motorist will feel is a tangible benefit and a - feel is a tangible benefit and a risk from — feel is a tangible benefit and a risk from voting _ feel is a tangible benefit and a risk from voting labour. - feel is a tangible benefit and a i risk from voting labour. whereas feel is a tangible benefit and a - risk from voting labour. whereas an awful— risk from voting labour. whereas an awful lot _ risk from voting labour. whereas an awful lot of — risk from voting labour. whereas an awful lot of the _ risk from voting labour. whereas an awful lot of the big _ risk from voting labour. whereas an awful lot of the big stuff— risk from voting labour. whereas an awful lot of the big stuff like - risk from voting labour. whereas an awful lot of the big stuff like nhs. awful lot of the big stuff like nhs waiting _ awful lot of the big stuff like nhs waiting times _ awful lot of the big stuff like nhs waiting times can— awful lot of the big stuff like nhs waiting times can feel— awful lot of the big stuff like nhs waiting times can feel abstract. l awful lot of the big stuff like nhs waiting times can feel abstract. i| waiting times can feel abstract. i know waiting times can feel abstract. know vicky was talking to us waiting times can feel abstract]. know vicky was talking to us about waiting times can feel abstract]- know vicky was talking to us about a number of different ideas that might be put forward by rishi sunak or some fewerfines on be put forward by rishi sunak or some fewer fines on cameras when going into these boxes or bus lanes. grunts have been stopped for low traffic neighbourhoods. and she really said this does divide the party. henry, how do you think these initiatives will go down with conservative voters? aha, initiatives will go down with conservative voters?- initiatives will go down with conservative voters? a lot of concerted — conservative voters? a lot of concerted voters, _ conservative voters? a lot of concerted voters, if- conservative voters? a lot of concerted voters, if you - conservative voters? a lot of| concerted voters, if you think conservative voters? a lot of i concerted voters, if you think of london, it is relatively good electoral policy because the concert vote is concentrated in the outer boroughs where people are much more car —dependent, where public transport use is lower. targeted policies like this where people

might have felt the difference otherwise, the con service will think is a good tactic. many of these policies will be affected in these policies will be affected in the outer boroughs where people are much more car —dependent, where public transport use is lower. targeted policies like this where people might have felt the difference otherwise, the con service will think is a good tactic. many of these policies will be affected in the inner city areas where the conservatives are thin on the ground. it will be divisive because there is a strong contingent. rishi sunak�*s announcement have sparked unease, and we expect to see it come out in the conference. aha, and we expect to see it come out in the conference.— the conference. a lot of people will be lookin: the conference. a lot of people will be looking ahead _ the conference. a lot of people will be looking ahead to _ the conference. a lot of people will be looking ahead to the _ the conference. a lot of people will| be looking ahead to the conference, a lot of drivers looking to see what rishi sunak announces. simon, what is your response to some of these ideas being put forward? what are some of the complaints drivers have when driving around? is it the fines people get, the restrictions, you'll as zones? , ., , ., ,

as zones? the number one complaints is the state of — as zones? the number one complaints is the state of our _ as zones? the number one complaints is the state of our roads. _ as zones? the number one complaints is the state of our roads. we've - is the state of our roads. we've campaigned _ is the state of our roads. we've campaigned for _ is the state of our roads. we've campaigned for the _ is the state of our roads. we've| campaigned for the government is the state of our roads. we've i campaigned for the government to is the state of our roads. we've - campaigned for the government to do something _ campaigned for the government to do something around _ campaigned for the government to do something around ring _ campaigned for the government to do something around ring fencing - campaigned for the government to do something around ring fencing the - something around ring fencing the funds— something around ring fencing the funds they— something around ring fencing the funds they collect _ something around ring fencing the funds they collect from _ something around ring fencing the funds they collect from fuel- something around ring fencing the funds they collect from fuel duty l funds they collect from fuel duty for local — funds they collect from fuel duty for local roads. _ funds they collect from fuel duty for local roads. we _ funds they collect from fuel duty for local roads. we have - funds they collect from fuel duty for local roads. we have a - funds they collect from fuel duty for local roads. we have a fund i for local roads. we have a fund where — for local roads. we have a fund where money— for local roads. we have a fund where money from _ for local roads. we have a fund where money from car- for local roads. we have a fund where money from car tax - for local roads. we have a fund | where money from car tax goes for local roads. we have a fund i where money from car tax goes to for local roads. we have a fund - where money from car tax goes to the upkeep— where money from car tax goes to the upkeep and _ where money from car tax goes to the upkeep and improvement _ where money from car tax goes to the upkeep and improvement of— where money from car tax goes to the upkeep and improvement of our- where money from car tax goes to the| upkeep and improvement of our major roads, _ upkeep and improvement of our major roads motorways _ upkeep and improvement of our major roads, motorways and _ upkeep and improvement of our major roads, motorways and dual— roads, motorways and dual carriageway— roads, motorways and dual carriageway is _ roads, motorways and dual carriageway is. there - roads, motorways and dual carriageway is. there is- roads, motorways and dual- carriageway is. there is nothing for the national— carriageway is. there is nothing for the national which _ carriageway is. there is nothing for the national which is _ carriageway is. there is nothing for the national which is our— carriageway is. there is nothing for the national which is our local- the national which is our local roads — the national which is our local roads we _ the national which is our local roads. we badly— the national which is our local roads. we badly want - the national which is our local roads. we badly want to - the national which is our local roads. we badly want to see i the national which is our local. roads. we badly want to see it. i raise _ roads. we badly want to see it. i raise it _ roads. we badly want to see it. i raise it with _ roads. we badly want to see it. i raise it with mark _ roads. we badly want to see it. i raise it with mark harper, - roads. we badly want to see it. i raise it with mark harper, he - roads. we badly want to see it. i raise it with mark harper, he is i raise it with mark harper, he is sympathetic _ raise it with mark harper, he is sympathetic but _ raise it with mark harper, he is sympathetic but it _ raise it with mark harper, he is sympathetic but it is— raise it with mark harper, he is sympathetic but it is a - raise it with mark harper, he isj sympathetic but it is a treasury issue _ sympathetic but it is a treasury issue so — sympathetic but it is a treasury issue so we _ sympathetic but it is a treasury issue so we are _ sympathetic but it is a treasury issue so we are calling - sympathetic but it is a treasury issue so we are calling on- sympathetic but it is a treasuryl issue so we are calling on them. sympathetic but it is a treasury- issue so we are calling on them. in terms _ issue so we are calling on them. in terms of— issue so we are calling on them. in terms of fines _ issue so we are calling on them. in terms of fines, we _ issue so we are calling on them. in terms of fines, we have _ issue so we are calling on them. in terms of fines, we have a - issue so we are calling on them. in terms of fines, we have a massivel terms of fines, we have a massive issue _ terms of fines, we have a massive issue around — terms of fines, we have a massive issue around yellow— terms of fines, we have a massive issue around yellow box _ terms of fines, we have a massivej issue around yellow box junctions. terms of fines, we have a massive. issue around yellow box junctions. i raise _ issue around yellow box junctions. i raise that _ issue around yellow box junctions. i raise that with — issue around yellow box junctions. i raise that with the _ issue around yellow box junctions. i raise that with the secretary- issue around yellow box junctions. i raise that with the secretary of- raise that with the secretary of state — raise that with the secretary of state the _ raise that with the secretary of state. the current _ raise that with the secretary of state. the current guidance i raise that with the secretary of state. the current guidance isl raise that with the secretary of. state. the current guidance is out of date _ state. the current guidance is out of date, councils _ state. the current guidance is out of date, councils have _ state. the current guidance is out of date, councils have the - state. the current guidance is out of date, councils have the power. state. the current guidance is out. of date, councils have the power to enforce _ of date, councils have the power to enforce these — of date, councils have the power to enforce these junctions. _ of date, councils have the power to enforce these junctions. previouslyj enforce these junctions. previously it was— enforce these junctions. previously it was only — enforce these junctions. previously it was only london _ enforce these junctions. previously it was only london and _ enforce these junctions. previously it was only london and cardiff - enforce these junctions. previously it was only london and cardiff who| it was only london and cardiff who could, _ it was only london and cardiff who could, and — it was only london and cardiff who could, and now— it was only london and cardiff who could, and now any _ it was only london and cardiff who could, and now any council -

it was only london and cardiff who could, and now any council can - it was only london and cardiff who i could, and now any council can apply to enforce _ could, and now any council can apply to enforce it — could, and now any council can apply to enforce it. we _ could, and now any council can apply to enforce it. we have _ could, and now any council can apply to enforce it. we have reviewed - to enforce it. we have reviewed these _ to enforce it. we have reviewed these junctions, _ to enforce it. we have reviewed these junctions, and _ to enforce it. we have reviewed these junctions, and many- to enforce it. we have reviewed these junctions, and many or. to enforce it. we have reviewed. these junctions, and many or too large. _ these junctions, and many or too large. you — these junctions, and many or too large. you can't— these junctions, and many or too large, you can't see _ these junctions, and many or too large, you can't see where - these junctions, and many or too large, you can't see where they. these junctions, and many or too i large, you can't see where they end and drivers— large, you can't see where they end and drivers will— large, you can't see where they end and drivers will get _ large, you can't see where they end and drivers will get caught - large, you can't see where they end and drivers will get caught out. - and drivers will get caught out. also— and drivers will get caught out. also the — and drivers will get caught out. also the enforcement - and drivers will get caught out. also the enforcement happens| and drivers will get caught out. - also the enforcement happens from cameras _ also the enforcement happens from cameras high — also the enforcement happens from cameras high up— also the enforcement happens from cameras high up on _ also the enforcement happens from cameras high up on poles _ also the enforcement happens from cameras high up on poles and - also the enforcement happens from cameras high up on poles and very. cameras high up on poles and very few councils — cameras high up on poles and very few councils have _ cameras high up on poles and very few councils have carried - cameras high up on poles and very few councils have carried out - cameras high up on poles and veryl few councils have carried out audits of these _ few councils have carried out audits of these junctions. _ few councils have carried out audits of these junctions. we _ few councils have carried out audits of these junctions. we believe - of these junctions. we believe unless— of these junctions. we believe unless something _ of these junctions. we believe unless something changes, i of these junctions. we believe i unless something changes, and hopefully— unless something changes, and hopefully an _ unless something changes, and hopefully an announcement - unless something changes, andl hopefully an announcement next unless something changes, and - hopefully an announcement next week will lead _ hopefully an announcement next week will lead to— hopefully an announcement next week will lead to it. — hopefully an announcement next week will lead to it, drivers— hopefully an announcement next week will lead to it, drivers will— hopefully an announcement next week will lead to it, drivers will be - will lead to it, drivers will be fined — will lead to it, drivers will be fined unfairly. _ will lead to it, drivers will be fined unfairly. bus _ will lead to it, drivers will be fined unfairly. bus lanes- will lead to it, drivers will be l fined unfairly. bus lanes cause problems _ fined unfairly. bus lanes cause problems. there _ fined unfairly. bus lanes cause problems. there is— fined unfairly. bus lanes cause problems. there is a _ fined unfairly. bus lanes cause problems. there is a lot - fined unfairly. bus lanes cause problems. there is a lot of- problems. there is a lot of information— problems. there is a lot of information on— problems. there is a lot of information on bus - problems. there is a lot of information on bus lanes. i problems. there is a lot of| information on bus lanes. it problems. there is a lot of. information on bus lanes. it is problems. there is a lot of- information on bus lanes. it is not easy— information on bus lanes. it is not easy to _ information on bus lanes. it is not easy to understand _ information on bus lanes. it is not easy to understand when - information on bus lanes. it is not easy to understand when they - information on bus lanes. it is not easy to understand when they are | information on bus lanes. it is not . easy to understand when they are in operation _ easy to understand when they are in operation and — easy to understand when they are in operation and drivers _ easy to understand when they are in operation and drivers can _ easy to understand when they are in operation and drivers can get - operation and drivers can get unwittingly _ operation and drivers can get unwittingly fined. _ operation and drivers can get unwittingly fined. there's - operation and drivers can get i unwittingly fined. there's been occasions — unwittingly fined. there's been occasions where _ unwittingly fined. there's been occasions where certain - unwittingly fined. there's been . occasions where certain locations have _ occasions where certain locations have led — occasions where certain locations have led to — occasions where certain locations have led to disproportionate - occasions where certain locations. have led to disproportionate fines. we would — have led to disproportionate fines. we would like _ have led to disproportionate fines. we would like some _ have led to disproportionate fines. we would like some clarity- have led to disproportionate fines. we would like some clarity around| we would like some clarity around that _ we would like some clarity around that. g , , ., we would like some clarity around that. , , ., ., that. just before you head off, hen , that. just before you head off, henry. one — that. just before you head off, henry, one must _ that. just before you head off, henry, one must question - that. just before you head off, henry, one must question for| that. just before you head off, - henry, one must question for you. simon mentioned the state of the

roads. do you think that is something the prime minister should be looking out if you want to get the conservative vote? will he be focusing on other things? it is the conservative vote? will he be focusing on other things?- focusing on other things? it is a erennial focusing on other things? it is a perennial issue, _ focusing on other things? it is a perennial issue, famous - focusing on other things? it is a i perennial issue, famous politicians for their leaflets, a picture of them looking serious and pointing out potholes. the prime minister was talking about them with bbc manchester recently. if talking about them with bbc manchester recently.- talking about them with bbc manchester recently. if you listen to any radio _ manchester recently. if you listen to any radio station, _ manchester recently. if you listen to any radio station, potholes - manchester recently. if you listen to any radio station, potholes is l to any radio station, potholes is there. it to any radio station, potholes is there. , ., ., . there. it is unfortunate. we hollowed — there. it is unfortunate. we hollowed out _ there. it is unfortunate. we hollowed out local- there. it is unfortunate. we i hollowed out local government there. it is unfortunate. we - hollowed out local government to the extent the prime minister is ending up extent the prime minister is ending up focusing on something which in a sensible system would be something local authorities were able to sort out on their own. there are lots of things, we have a lot of problems, bigger issues on the prime minister's desk. it is slightly sad he has to be the one to do it. henry hill, he has to be the one to do it. henry hill. thank— he has to be the one to do it. henry

hill. thank you _ he has to be the one to do it. henry hill, thank you so _ he has to be the one to do it. henry hill, thank you so much _ he has to be the one to do it. henry hill, thank you so much for - he has to be the one to do it. henry hill, thank you so much forjoining i hill, thank you so much forjoining us on bbc news. we will lose you now, so thank you again. thank you. we are sticking with rod king, and simon williams from the motoring organisation the rac. let's kick—off with some audience questions. first of all, david clark and gloucestershire has sent in a question. what is the change in vehicle emissions caught by driving in second or third gear at 20 mph instead of third orfourth in second or third gear at 20 mph instead of third or fourth year in 30? he says car engines are normally tuned for maximum efficiency in top gear at 50—70. could there be an increase in pollution at 20 mph? shall i come over to you, rod? this is aood

shall i come over to you, rod? this is good because _ shall i come over to you, rod? this is good because i _ shall i come over to you, rod? try 3 is good because i was about to say we are missing a dimension here, and the dimension is to look beyond the driver, look be alarmed the election government, look beyond the green issue. so far we have framed it around that. we have to look wider and that is around emissions. emissions from a public health perspective. that is very important. and also the effects on the nhs, the load on the nhs, and it is the same with casualties in 20 per hour limits. it is also the whole area of active travel and if we do make those streets more comfortable for people to walk and cycle, that will increase active travel, increase public health. as we increase that, there is a reduction on the load on there is a reduction on the load on

the nhs. these are the wider pictures. taken that one about the emissions, we know in an urban environment, the biggest factor in emissions is the fact one is always stopping, slowing down, speeding back up again. and that is something which is done repeatedly. whilst a modern car, whether it is 20 mph or 30 mph, it is probably doing the same mile per gallon in emissions. it is probably 90 miles per gallon if you're keeping your speed study. when you slowdown and speed up you require over twice as much energy to get to 30 mph than you do to get to 20. that is what rejects the actual emissions coming. if you reduce that

speed down to 20 mph, then that will reduce the overall emissions in that real—world environments, where we are slowing down and starting up all the time. ., , are slowing down and starting up all the time. . , , �*, the time. really insightful. let's move onto _ the time. really insightful. let's move onto the _ the time. really insightful. let's move onto the one, _ the time. really insightful. let's move onto the one, simon. - the time. really insightful. let's move onto the one, simon. ianl the time. really insightful. let's. move onto the one, simon. ian in west berkshire says most non—electric vehicles won't operate in top gear at 20, being efficient at 40. in top gear at 20, being efficient at a0. is the government and the council factoring at a0. is the government and the councilfactoring in at a0. is the government and the council factoring in the at a0. is the government and the councilfactoring in the increase in emissions in low—speed neighbourhoods? almost a similar question, looking at the emissions. unquestionably driving at slow speed. — unquestionably driving at slow speed, stopping and starting will be the least _ speed, stopping and starting will be the least efficient driving. emissions will be worse, but no greater— emissions will be worse, but no greater than they would have been at 30. greater than they would have been at 30 there's _ greater than they would have been at 30. there's not a massive difference. clearly driving at 50 is

the most — difference. clearly driving at 50 is the most efficient, and even that have _ the most efficient, and even that have been— the most efficient, and even that have been incidents on the motorway where _ have been incidents on the motorway where the _ have been incidents on the motorway where the speed limit has been reduced. — where the speed limit has been reduced, to improve air quality. the most _ reduced, to improve air quality. the most efficient thing would to be get more _ most efficient thing would to be get more people into electric cars and more _ more people into electric cars and more people into electric cars and more people into electric cars and more people into the newer vehicles because _ more people into the newer vehicles because they will have stop start technology and cut out when the vehicle _ technology and cut out when the vehicle comes to arrests. it won't be omitting. we need to move to electric— be omitting. we need to move to electric vehicles, and the more people — electric vehicles, and the more people who can get into them, the better— people who can get into them, the better we — people who can get into them, the better we will be from an air—quality point of view. this better we will be from an air-quality point of view. this 'ust about our audience, i air-quality point of view. this 'ust about our audience, i i air-quality point of view. this 'ust about our audience, i would h air-quality point of view. thisjust about our audience, i would like l air-quality point of view. this just | about our audience, i would like to ask you a personal question. however portland is driving to you? do you use your cars everyday? == portland is driving to you? do you use your cars everyday?— use your cars everyday? -- how important- _ use your cars everyday? -- how important- l _ use your cars everyday? -- how important. i use _ use your cars everyday? -- how important. i use the _ use your cars everyday? -- how important. i use the car - use your cars everyday? -- how important. i use the car for - use your cars everyday? -- howj important. i use the car for long important. i use the carfor long journeys, not every day. if i can get to where i want to buy walk in,

i will and sometimes cycle. the good thing of living in an area with 20 mouth of our zones, i feel i have an option —— 20 mph. walk to the shops, walking to school, walking to their grandparents. and the elderly, walking to the shops. all of these things are where at 20 mph limits, slower pace can give people freedom and give them the choice to do things, keep themselves healthy, enjoy the fresh air. and also be part of a community, meeting people as you walk. for me, the car is great, i can do long journeys in it, i can do medium journeys which get me around, and when i don't need it i canjust get

me around, and when i don't need it i can just get out and walk. i think this is what everybody wants, there is freedoms, choices and ability to travel actively and just enjoy the outside. travel actively and 'ust en'oy the outside. ~ ., travel actively and 'ust en'oy the outside. ., ., , �* ., travel actively and 'ust en'oy the outside. ., ., ,�* ., , outside. who doesn't love being outdoors? _ outside. who doesn't love being outdoors? simon, _ outside. who doesn't love being outdoors? simon, what - outside. who doesn't love being outdoors? simon, what about i outside. who doesn't love being i outdoors? simon, what about you? outside. who doesn't love being - outdoors? simon, what about you? do you use your car every day or put one foot in front of the other? i do one foot in front of the other? i do a lot of walking _ one foot in front of the other? i do a lot of walking with my dog. i drive — a lot of walking with my dog. i drive an— a lot of walking with my dog. i drive an electric vehicle, but like other— drive an electric vehicle, but like other people it is the mobility the car allows— other people it is the mobility the car allows you to do the things you do. car allows you to do the things you do i_ car allows you to do the things you do i would — car allows you to do the things you do. i would use public transport more _ do. i would use public transport more often but i've had bad experience with trains and buses. we need a _ experience with trains and buses. we need a more — experience with trains and buses. we need a more integrated approach to our public— need a more integrated approach to our public transport. we need more buses— our public transport. we need more buses that — our public transport. we need more buses that run on time, reliable, and trains— buses that run on time, reliable, and trains that are affordable and also run — and trains that are affordable and also run on — and trains that are affordable and also run on time and can be depended on. also run on time and can be depended on there _

also run on time and can be depended on there is _ also run on time and can be depended on. there is no question, eight in ten drivers— on. there is no question, eight in ten drivers weave serve eight over many _ ten drivers weave serve eight over many years — ten drivers weave serve eight over many years, they struggle to get by without _ many years, they struggle to get by without a _ many years, they struggle to get by without a car. for many people public — without a car. for many people public transport doesn't fit in their— public transport doesn't fit in their lives. we need to consider things— their lives. we need to consider things from a more holistic approach so we _ things from a more holistic approach so we can— things from a more holistic approach so we can use our car and then take the train— so we can use our car and then take the train or— so we can use our car and then take the train or bus. ideally, walk more. — the train or bus. ideally, walk more. use _ the train or bus. ideally, walk more, use bicycles. we need more cycle _ more, use bicycles. we need more cycle lanes — more, use bicycles. we need more cycle lanes, and obviously the issue of scooters — cycle lanes, and obviously the issue of scooters is another one, they've been _ of scooters is another one, they've been used — of scooters is another one, they've been used widely in various towns under— been used widely in various towns under trial— been used widely in various towns under trial schemes. those people using _ under trial schemes. those people using those scooters are probably more _ using those scooters are probably more vulnerable and many road users and there _ more vulnerable and many road users and there have been accidents and a&e departments up and down the country— a&e departments up and down the country are attending to casualties. they raise — country are attending to casualties. they raise many questions... that is a whole topic —

they raise many questions... that is a whole topic we _ they raise many questions... that is a whole topic we won't _ they raise many questions... that is a whole topic we won't be _ they raise many questions... that is a whole topic we won't be going - they raise many questions... that is a whole topic we won't be going intoj a whole topic we won't be going into force of many questions around that. i don't have much time. i want one last question from diane and jonathan. they say good news the government is looking at low traffic management. please can they stop this ulez system? my son can't replace his new van. rod, what are your thoughts on the ulez expansion? we are quite specialist and having that intervention. but again, the ulez is very much a public health issue. when you look at the bigger picture, it has benefits. yes, there will be some people who are affected by it, which i do accept, and i

believe the mayor of london is doing things which can assist and make it easierfor people to things which can assist and make it easier for people to make that conversion, and hopefully that will enable people like that to fit in with what is going to be good for air quality and good for people who are on the streets. whether they are walking, cycling or in their cars. we all have to breathe the same air. it doesn't accept people in cars. we all have to breathe what is coming out. ~ . ., , ., all have to breathe what is coming out. . ., , ., .,, all have to breathe what is coming out. . ., , ., ., out. we certainly do. that is a consideration. _ out. we certainly do. that is a consideration. simon, - out. we certainly do. that is a consideration. simon, ulez. out. we certainly do. that is a | consideration. simon, ulez has out. we certainly do. that is a - consideration. simon, ulez has been an extremely contentious issue. lots of complaints, it has made it to the courts. what do drivers tell you? drivers were against the expansion

of the _ drivers were against the expansion of the ulez because, of course, we are in_ of the ulez because, of course, we are in a _ of the ulez because, of course, we are in a cost— of the ulez because, of course, we are in a cost of living crisis and more _ are in a cost of living crisis and more people would have to upgrade their cars _ more people would have to upgrade their cars to avoid paying £12 50 a day. their cars to avoid paying £12 50 a day we _ their cars to avoid paying £12 50 a day we did — their cars to avoid paying £12 50 a day. we did a freedom of information request— day. we did a freedom of information request and _ day. we did a freedom of information request and found nearly 700,000 cars were _ request and found nearly 700,000 cars were going to be affected. we will see _ cars were going to be affected. we will see what happens there. they've implemented a scrappage scheme, which _ implemented a scrappage scheme, which was — implemented a scrappage scheme, which was broadened to people on benefits — which was broadened to people on benefits. it came in a few weeks before _ benefits. it came in a few weeks before the — benefits. it came in a few weeks before the scheme went live in august — before the scheme went live in august a— before the scheme went live in august. a lot of people would not be able to— august. a lot of people would not be able to take advantage of it quickly and still— able to take advantage of it quickly and still incurring those charges. there _ and still incurring those charges. there are — and still incurring those charges. there are lower paid people he would have to _ there are lower paid people he would have to go _ there are lower paid people he would have to go into the zone from outside — have to go into the zone from outside of— have to go into the zone from outside of london ad would be adversely affected. it is a good thing _ adversely affected. it is a good thing because we need to clean up

air-quality — thing because we need to clean up air—quality. but perhaps that happened to soon from when it was expanded _ happened to soon from when it was expanded tojust inside the north circle _ expanded to 'ust inside the north circle. �* expanded to 'ust inside the north circle. . , ., expanded to 'ust inside the north circle. �* , expanded to 'ust inside the north circle. . , expanded to 'ust inside the north circle. �* , ., , ., circle. are you seeing lots of eo - le circle. are you seeing lots of people giving _ circle. are you seeing lots of people giving up _ circle. are you seeing lots of people giving up their - circle. are you seeing lots of people giving up their cars, l circle. are you seeing lots of - people giving up their cars, trying to buy new ones and use those grants offered? riff to buy new ones and use those grants offered? . ., , to buy new ones and use those grants offered? _, , , .,, offered? of course. the problem with that, it has sent _ offered? of course. the problem with that, it has sent the _ offered? of course. the problem with that, it has sent the costs _ offered? of course. the problem with that, it has sent the costs of - offered? of course. the problem with that, it has sent the costs of use - that, it has sent the costs of use vehicles — that, it has sent the costs of use vehicles that are compliant with the ten two _ vehicles that are compliant with the ten two standard up. that is not helpful— ten two standard up. that is not helpful in— ten two standard up. that is not helpful in a _ ten two standard up. that is not helpful in a kosovo in crisis —— we have _ helpful in a kosovo in crisis —— we have the — helpful in a kosovo in crisis —— we have the ulez standard up. it is still far cheaper to drive an electric— it is still far cheaper to drive an electric vehicle charged at home than a _ electric vehicle charged at home than a petrol or diesel one. simon williams from _

than a petrol or diesel one. simon williams from the _ than a petrol or diesel one. simon williams from the rac, _ than a petrol or diesel one. simon williams from the rac, rod - than a petrol or diesel one. simonj williams from the rac, rod kane, campaigner of the campaign group 20 is plenty, and we had henry help. thank you forjoining us on bbc news. your questions answered.

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