the party conference season. a chance to see what the morale is like in the four largest parties and we want to hear from supporters and voters this morning. a chance for you to tell us how you are feeling. last week we spoke to the liberal democrats, still to come is the labour party and the snp. so, taking the tory temperature. plenty of heat, lots of stories. i've got a list. not least, hs2, rishi's sunak�*s pledges, the economy, immigration, small boats, nhs waiting lists, house turbulent times for the party, well behind in the polls. rishi sunak is fighting back. but 13 years in power, can they, can you, pull it back? if you are not a supporter, you can text us and we will read some of those out as well. as we

inch towards an election, let's get the measure of things. conservatives, how are you feeling? to get in touch. rishi sunak has told the bbc he's "not going to be forced into a premature decision" over the future of hs2. it's being widely reported the route between birmingham and manchester could be scrapped. the prime minister is in the north of england today for the conservative party conference in manchester — but it's not expected for him to make an announcement until his speech tomorrow. uk food prices have fallen month—on—month for the first time

in more than two years. the british retail consortium says last month, they fell by 0.1 percent compared with august. radiographers in england have begun a 24—hour strike as part of a pay dispute. theyjoinjunior doctors and consultants, who are into their second day of their three—day walkout. the government says a fair and reasonable pay rise has been given. emergency services are working to secure a food waste site in oxfordshire after it was hit by lightning last night, causing a major gas explosion. it's thought no—one was hurt. it was really interesting, our phone in on the lib dems last week. we are doing four of these special programmes during the political

conference season. we have done the lib dems, conservatives today, and we are going to do labour next week, and a week after it is the turn of the snp. so much to talk about. these could be the last conferences before the general election when you have your chance to tell us who is going to be happening for the years to come. one of the big ideological divides at the conservative party conference is tax, and liz truss turned up, of course, to promote growing the pie campaign, and she has many supporters i remember the campaign between her and rishi sunak when they were fighting each other for leadership and rishi sunak was this it is in the dna, cutting taxes. at

the big thing, the ghost at the banquet, is hs2. what the hell is going on? let's speak to the members, the supporters, voters past and present. the would—be voters, and present. the would—be voters, and it never again voters. and you can text us or call us. whoever you are, whatever party you support, do get in touch. good morning to samantha in lincoln.— get in touch. good morning to samantha in lincoln. good morning. and aood samantha in lincoln. good morning. and good morning _ samantha in lincoln. good morning. and good morning feros. _ samantha in lincoln. good morning. | and good morning feros. samantha, what are your concerns, i believe you were a tory voter. why are you wobbling? i you were a tory voter. why are you wobblin: ? ., _ you were a tory voter. why are you wobblin: ? ., my .,, you were a tory voter. why are you

wobblin: ? ., _ .,, ., you were a tory voter. why are you wobblin? ., .,, ., ., , wobbling? i would say i was a tory voter many — wobbling? i would say i was a tory voter many years _ wobbling? i would say i was a tory voter many years ago _ wobbling? i would say i was a tory voter many years ago when - wobbling? i would say i was a tory voter many years ago when i - wobbling? i would say i was a tory voter many years ago when i was i wobbling? i would say i was a tory| voter many years ago when i was in my military years, but now our company supplies air filtration and waste water treatment, especially for net zero for the manufacturing industries in the uk, and i have realised that the tories are not benefiting small business community is at all. they tell us lies. we really don't know what to believe. brexit has had a massive impact not only on our business, but our customers because we have supplies from the eu and we always will do. we are not an independent nation. there was a march to rejoin in london not so long ago, and there was very little coverage from the uk at all. lots of foreign coverage, but we had just told what the government wants us to know, at the end of the day. you mentioned hs2. they are spending billions of pounds on getting birmingham and london connected, just for those few minutes, but there are still not

enough network coverage from the east to the west of the country. there are businesses in the north that need to commute between cities. where is that helpful companies up north, if you like? and again immigration, there is so much to discuss, really, but immigration, it isjust discuss, really, but immigration, it is just another area of inflammatory language. they are inciting the population to get behind them because they are only interested in themselves, in their own votes. and you mentioned taxation, why don't you mentioned taxation, why don't you save a little bit of money for the people who haven't actually got that much? and what about the big companies that are avoiding taxes? samantha, what would you get you back? that sounds a litany from somebody who once did vote conservative. you are the sort of person they need. they need to get you back into the fold, don't they? and it sounds like you actually

might be the type of voter who is kind of on the left side of the party who may have been tempted by the lib dems. there are many constituents, of course, where that is a vulnerability to the conservatives by the next election. there was a big list there, what would get you back? the? there was a big list there, what would get you back?— there was a big list there, what would get you back? they need to get small business _ would get you back? they need to get small business owners _ would get you back? they need to get small business owners back, - would get you back? they need to get small business owners back, you - would get you back? they need to get small business owners back, you are i small business owners back, you are right, because they are the backbone of society. i wouldn't say there was a single policy at the moment that would get me back. and the reason is because even if there was one policy, they would probably do a u—turn. policy, they would probably do a u-turn. ., , ., ., u-turn. ok! if we have you for the whole hour. _ u-turn. ok! if we have you for the whole hour, there _ u-turn. ok! if we have you for the whole hour, there would - u-turn. ok! if we have you for the whole hour, there would be - whole hour, there would be justifiable accusations of bias. but stay there and listen, let me see now, james and canterbury, good morning. now, james and canterbury, good morninu. now, james and canterbury, good mornin. _ ,., ., ., now, james and canterbury, good morninu. ., ., , morning. good morning, good to be with ou. morning. good morning, good to be with you- you _ morning. good morning, good to be with you. you too. _ morning. good morning, good to be with you. you too. did _ morning. good morning, good to be with you. you too. did you - morning. good morning, good to be with you. you too. did you hear - with you. you too. did you hear that? goodness _ with you. you too. did you hear

that? goodness me. _ with you. you too. did you hear that? goodness me. i- with you. you too. did you hear that? goodness me. i did, - with you. you too. did you hear that? goodness me. i did, yes. j with you. you too. did you hear - that? goodness me. i did, yes. we have not that? goodness me. i did, yes. we have got a — that? goodness me. i did, yes. we have got a lot _ that? goodness me. i did, yes. we have got a lot of _ that? goodness me. i did, yes. we have got a lot of work _ that? goodness me. i did, yes. we have got a lot of work to _ that? goodness me. i did, yes. we have got a lot of work to do - that? goodness me. i did, yes. we. have got a lot of work to do between now and _ have got a lot of work to do between now and the — have got a lot of work to do between now and the next election, but the prime _ now and the next election, but the prime minister is up for the fight and we _ prime minister is up for the fight and we are — prime minister is up for the fight and we are going to try to wind as many— and we are going to try to wind as many votes — and we are going to try to wind as many votes as possible to keep labour— many votes as possible to keep labour out of power, because that is the choice _ labour out of power, because that is the choice facing voters whenever the choice facing voters whenever the next — the choice facing voters whenever the next election comes. it the choice facing voters whenever the next election comes.- the next election comes. it was ruite a the next election comes. it was quite a list _ the next election comes. it was quite a list there _ the next election comes. it was quite a list there from - the next election comes. it was l quite a list there from samantha. any validity in any of it?— any validity in any of it? clearly, the last couple _ any validity in any of it? clearly, the last couple of— any validity in any of it? clearly, the last couple of years - any validity in any of it? clearly, the last couple of years have - any validity in any of it? clearly, i the last couple of years have been challenging for us. we have had coronavirus, the war in ukraine, we have _ coronavirus, the war in ukraine, we have not— coronavirus, the war in ukraine, we have not always made life easy for ourselves — have not always made life easy for ourselves in government and that is certainly— ourselves in government and that is certainly true, but i think at the next _ certainly true, but i think at the next election there will be a clear choice _ next election there will be a clear choice between us and labour, and i think— choice between us and labour, and i think the _ choice between us and labour, and i think the more people see of rishi sunak. _ think the more people see of rishi sunak. the — think the more people see of rishi sunak, the more they like his approach _ sunak, the more they like his approach. they liked the fact he is focused _ approach. they liked the fact he is focused on — approach. they liked the fact he is focused on the long term, on peoples priorities, _ focused on the long term, on peoples priorities, and the more they see of keir starmer, the more they wonder who this _ keir starmer, the more they wonder who this man is. he constantly flip-flops — who this man is. he constantly flip—flops from issue to wish you, so the _ flip—flops from issue to wish you, so the next — flip—flops from issue to wish you, so the next election will be a clear choice _ so the next election will be a clear choice and —

so the next election will be a clear choice and we are up for the fight. we are _ choice and we are up for the fight. we are back— choice and we are up for the fight. we are back on the hymn sheet. get in touch with your thoughts. we have got nick eardley, our political correspondent as well. so, mentioned by samantha, she referred to a bit of dog whistle politics going on, suella braverman. what do you think about much capitalism hasn't works, and that the british people need to know about the invasion of our southern coast" and do you think that is inflammatory language? hat inflammatory language? not necessarily. _ inflammatory language? not necessarily. it _ inflammatory language? not necessarily. it is _ inflammatory language? iirrt necessarily. it is possible, it is doable but it is how they do it, thatis doable but it is how they do it, that is the thing. obviously throwing money at it and all of that doesn't work. they have to change the way they think, the way they do

things. for example, we need workers, factories and restaurants and whatever, they are always in need... i and whatever, they are always in need... ~' ., ., and whatever, they are always in need... ~ ., ., ,, . need... i know that, huge respect but the language _ need... i know that, huge respect but the language that _ need... i know that, huge respect but the language that she - need... i know that, huge respect but the language that she is - need... i know that, huge respectl but the language that she is using, is it inflammatory? is it necessary to use words like "invasion"? i think it is in a way, yes. yes. it is. look around the world. ok they have got all this immigration, they go to france, and they come from france they don't confront their own country, so it is like an invasion, by c as well.

country, so it is like an invasion, by c as well-— by c as well. -- sea. 0k, very interesting. _ interesting. i can't ask for more. you don't often get that candid straightforwardness from some of our politicians because they have to tread a line. nick, so much going on in the conference. i have to ask you a specific question about the railway line. at first off, nick, our political correspondent, is this a happy conference?— a happy conference? that's an interesting — a happy conference? that's an interesting question _ a happy conference? that's an interesting question actually. | a happy conference? that's an| interesting question actually. if you hang around on the fringe meetings, the bars were most of the interesting stuff happens, yes, people are in a pretty good mood. but i think the thing that will probably worry number ten is a lot of that good mood is around people

like suella braverman, kemi badenoch, some of the people who could bejockeying badenoch, some of the people who could be jockeying for position if the conservatives lose the election and are looking for a new leader. and i think the thing that will worry rishi sunak most is when it comes to his agenda and trying to grab the narrative and shake us all and say, here's what i want to do as prime minister, it's not really working just now. everything is being dominated by the confusion over hs2, the fact that the government won'tjust over hs2, the fact that the government won't just confirm over hs2, the fact that the government won'tjust confirm what everybody thinks is pretty certain, that it everybody thinks is pretty certain, thatitis everybody thinks is pretty certain, that it is not going to reach manchester after all. that it is not going to reach manchesterafterall. it that it is not going to reach manchester after all. it feels to me a bit like the prime minister has come into this conference and thought i'm going to give my party rocket boosters, give us a take off before a year leading up to a general election, but he is struggling to get off the ground. what the heck is going on with hs2?

i wish i could give you a definite answer. i don't think you will find anybody around here who thinks hs2 is going to reach manchester any more. i think is pretty certain that the birmingham to manchester leg is going to be scrapped. we thought that for well over a week, a couple of weeks now, that that was going to happen. the question is, how is the prime minister going to sell it? what is the thing he is eventually going to tell us is going to replace the h52 going to tell us is going to replace the hs2 leg from birmingham to manchester? i think it is most likely to be a lot of investment in the north of england on what is known as northern powerhouse railway. we were talking about it a few minutes ago, the east to west connection that a lot of people in the north tell you is not fit for purpose and needs to be with better connectivity in the north itself. but we have got this strange situation right now where there is a bit of a vacuum. the prime minister was on bbc breakfast this morning

being asked repeatedly about hs2, and was stilljust saying, there is and was stilljust saying, there is a lot of speculation, i am not going to be rushed into a decision, it is not quite there yet. but it feels like, apart from crossing the teas and dotting the eyes at that decision has been made, and nobody is denying that the manchester leg is denying that the manchester leg is going to be scrapped. all the while, we kind of wait for the prime minister to give us some kind of confirmation of what is coming instead. , �* ., , ., instead. they didn't want this to net out, instead. they didn't want this to get out. so _ instead. they didn't want this to get out. so why _ instead. they didn't want this to get out, so why did _ instead. they didn't want this to get out, so why did it _ instead. they didn't want this to get out, so why did it and - instead. they didn't want this to get out, so why did it and how? | instead. they didn't want this to i get out, so why did it and how? it started about three weeks ago, when somebody was in downing street with a camera and someone was holding a paper and they zoomed in and they saw some pretty big calculations regarding hs2. but ever since then, i have feel like i have been talking about hs2 for about two weeks, it has been widely thought it was going to be scrapped. there were some people in government who expected it to be imminently scrapped. i remember doing a programme on radio

for a couple of weeks ago, where we were pretty sure it was going to be scrapped and everybody was talking about it being scrapped, but then everything went really quiet. there was a bit of a debate going on about whether you cancel it before you get to manchester and just get it out of the way and don't have it hanging over the conference, or you grab it and you say, look, we are owning this. we are doing it for the right reasons. costs have gone up. tens of billions of pounds are going to be spent elsewhere, so let's set out our big plan. and that could come tomorrow. the big switch on moment of this conference is when the prime minister speaks and that is happening at noon tomorrow. it is possible that is what rishi sunak does. shill possible that is what rishi sunak does. �* �* , possible that is what rishi sunak does. �* v ,, possible that is what rishi sunak does. �* �*, ,, ., does. all right. let's speak to nicky aitken. _ does. all right. let's speak to nicky aitken, deputy - does. all right. let's speak to nicky aitken, deputy chair - does. all right. let's speak to nicky aitken, deputy chair of| does. all right. let's speak to i nicky aitken, deputy chair of the conservative party. what is going on? , ., conservative party. what is going on? ., what conservative party. what is going on?_ what is - conservative party. what is going - on?_ what is happening on? good morning. what is happening with hsz?

on? good morning. what is happening with hs2? this— on? good morning. what is happening with h52? this is— on? good morning. what is happening with h52? this is indecision, - on? good morning. what is happening with h52? this is indecision, this- with hs2? this is indecision, this is delay. this is not a man who looks like a prime minister. i think what ou looks like a prime minister. i think what you found — looks like a prime minister. i think what you found with _ looks like a prime minister. i think what you found with rishi - looks like a prime minister. i think what you found with rishi sunak. looks like a prime minister. i think| what you found with rishi sunak as prime _ what you found with rishi sunak as prime minister is that he does the detail, _ prime minister is that he does the detail, he — prime minister is that he does the detail, he does consider the most important — detail, he does consider the most important policies for the country, and with— important policies for the country, and with the biggest infrastructure project _ and with the biggest infrastructure project that hsz is, i think he is right— project that hsz is, i think he is right to — project that hsz is, i think he is right to look at the numbers with the chancellor and decide what is best for— the chancellor and decide what is best for taxpayers money. let's not forget, _ best for taxpayers money. let's not forget, this— best for taxpayers money. let's not forget, this is costing tens and tens— forget, this is costing tens and tens and — forget, this is costing tens and tens and tens of billions of pounds. the right— tens and tens of billions of pounds. the right thing to do is to put any prime _ the right thing to do is to put any prime minister and the right thing to do is to put any prime ministerand any the right thing to do is to put any prime minister and any chancellor to look at _ prime minister and any chancellor to look at the _ prime minister and any chancellor to look at the numbers. this is not money— look at the numbers. this is not money owned by the government, this is the _ money owned by the government, this is the hard _ money owned by the government, this is the hard earned money off taxpayers. is the hard earned money off taxpayers-— is the hard earned money off taxpayers. is the hard earned money off taxa ers. �* .,, ., ., ., is the hard earned money off taxa ers. �* ., ., ., taxpayers. but it has gone on for so lona and taxpayers. but it has gone on for so long and it — taxpayers. but it has gone on for so long and itjust _ taxpayers. but it has gone on for so long and itjust looks _ taxpayers. but it has gone on for so long and itjust looks indecisive - taxpayers. but it has gone on for so long and itjust looks indecisive as i long and itjust looks indecisive as well. people need a firm decision. imagine if you are in a hi viz jacket with a spade in the ground right now. what the hell am i doing here? is the whole thing going to be

called off? i appreciate what you are saying about taxpayers money and improving other infrastructure systems and people will understand that but they just want a system. borisjohnson said if this were to be cancelled, it would be insanity. look, i think we have to wait and see what— look, i think we have to wait and see what the prior minister has got to say _ see what the prior minister has got to say he — see what the prior minister has got to say. he has been very clear that he wants— to say. he has been very clear that he wants to — to say. he has been very clear that he wants to look at the detail... but he _ he wants to look at the detail... but he has — he wants to look at the detail... but he has not been clear, that is the point. he but he has not been clear, that is the oint. , ., ., , . ., the point. he is going to be clear. this is so important, _ the point. he is going to be clear. this is so important, when - the point. he is going to be clear. this is so important, when it - the point. he is going to be clear. this is so important, when it is i this is so important, when it is about— this is so important, when it is about taxpayers money. he is right, he is _ about taxpayers money. he is right, he is one _ about taxpayers money. he is right, he is one of— about taxpayers money. he is right, he is one of those prime ministers that will_ he is one of those prime ministers that will not rush into decisions. it is that will not rush into decisions. it is about— that will not rush into decisions. it is about the long term for this country — it is about the long term for this country. fortoo it is about the long term for this country. for too long we have had politicians— country. for too long we have had politicians from all parties making decisions — politicians from all parties making decisions for the next general election— decisions for the next general election and that can't be right. that— election and that can't be right. that can't— election and that can't be right. that can't be right on the 21st century. _ that can't be right on the 21st century, when we have so many demands— century, when we have so many demands on our public services with people _ demands on our public services with people living longer, you know, and all the _ people living longer, you know, and all the other issues that go with that _ all the other issues that go with

that it — all the other issues that go with that it is — all the other issues that go with that. it is right that our prime minister— that. it is right that our prime minister does the right thing and looks— minister does the right thing and looks for— minister does the right thing and looks for the long term. he will make _ looks for the long term. he will make the — looks for the long term. he will make the decisions when it is the right— make the decisions when it is the right time — make the decisions when it is the right time. if make the decisions when it is the ri . ht time. , make the decisions when it is the right time-— right time. if he is looking to the long-term. _ right time. if he is looking to the long-term. of— right time. if he is looking to the long-term, of course, _ right time. if he is looking to the long-term, of course, that - right time. if he is looking to the | long-term, of course, that might long—term, of course, that might bring in questions about the environment. we will come to those. would you like to speak to somebody and try to get their vote back? i always like talking to voters, is the most — always like talking to voters, is the most important and enjoyable part of— the most important and enjoyable part of myjob, it keeps me real. paul— part of myjob, it keeps me real. paul in— part of myjob, it keeps me real. paul in blackpool. part of my job, it keeps me real. paul in blackpool.— part of my job, it keeps me real. paul in blackpool. good morning. good morning. _ paul in blackpool. good morning. good morning. you _ paul in blackpool. good morning. good morning. you have - paul in blackpool. good morning. good morning. you have got - paul in blackpool. good morning. good morning. you have got a . paul in blackpool. good morning. i good morning. you have got a direct line to the deputy — good morning. you have got a direct line to the deputy chair— good morning. you have got a direct line to the deputy chair of— good morning. you have got a direct line to the deputy chair of the - line to the deputy chair of the conservative party. you have voted tory all your life but you are not so sure now. speak to nicky, and she will try to bring you back into the fold. paul, what is your beef? the birmingham _ fold. paul, what is your beef? the birmingham to — fold. paul, what is your beef? iia: birmingham to manchester fold. paul, what is your beef? "iia: birmingham to manchester line, fold. paul, what is your beef? ii2 birmingham to manchester line, to fold. paul, what is your beef? i“i2 birmingham to manchester line, to be frank. itjust seems the north—south divide all over again. the railway

services appear, they are always late, they are never on time, people struggle to get to work. to be quite frank, rishi sunak, ithought struggle to get to work. to be quite frank, rishi sunak, i thought it was rude when he was being asked the question is, like borisjohnson said, we need it. but yet they are changing their mind again and again and again. it is all right for these people who have got loads of money to say these things. i am quite happy giving money up to make sure we get everything. what happy giving money up to make sure we get everything-— happy giving money up to make sure we get everything. what else? apart from h52, we get everything. what else? apart from hsz, is— we get everything. what else? apart from h52, is there _ we get everything. what else? apart from h52, is there anything - we get everything. what else? apart from h52, is there anything else i from hs2, is there anything else that has driven you away? yes. from h52, is there anything else that has driven you away? yes, the cost of living- _ that has driven you away? yes, the cost of living. the _ that has driven you away? yes, the cost of living. the water. _ that has driven you away? yes, the cost of living. the water. i - that has driven you away? yes, the cost of living. the water. i am i cost of living. the water. i am being asked now to pay more bills on top of my water that i've already paid for the year before and the year before. i think the biggest mistake we ever made was the

privatisation of everything, to be quite frank. privatisation of everything, to be quite frank-— quite frank. how would you feel about voting — quite frank. how would you feel about voting for _ quite frank. how would you feel about voting for somebody i quite frank. how would you feel| about voting for somebody else, since you have voted tory all your life? i since you have voted tory all your life? ., ., ., ., ., ., life? i am not a great lover of keir starmer, but _ life? i am not a great lover of keir starmer, but i _ life? i am not a great lover of keir starmer, but i am _ life? i am not a great lover of keir starmer, but i am willing - life? i am not a great lover of keir starmer, but i am willing to i life? i am not a great lover of keir starmer, but i am willing to give i starmer, but i am willing to give him a go this time. i}i(. starmer, but i am willing to give him a go this time.— starmer, but i am willing to give him a go this time. 0k. all right. nic , him a go this time. 0k. all right. nicky. you _ him a go this time. 0k. all right. nicky. you are — him a go this time. 0k. all right. nicky. you are on _ him a go this time. 0k. all right. nicky, you are on paul— him a go this time. 0k. all right. nicky, you are on paul 's - him a go this time. 0k. all right. l nicky, you are on paul 's doorstep. nicky, you are on paul �*s doorstep. you have knocked on his door and he has opened it, and he is looking at you with some lack of enthusiasm. what do you say?— you with some lack of enthusiasm. what do you say? paul, thank you for our what do you say? paul, thank you for your support — what do you say? paul, thank you for your support over— what do you say? paul, thank you for your support over the _ what do you say? paul, thank you for your support over the last _ what do you say? paul, thank you for your support over the last several i your support over the last several generat— your support over the last several general elections. your support has been _ general elections. your support has been so _ general elections. your support has been so important. look, we have been _ been so important. look, we have been through a really tough time. the whole — been through a really tough time. the whole country, the whole world has had _ the whole country, the whole world has had to — the whole country, the whole world has had to deal with a once in a 100 year situation with the pandemic, and we _ year situation with the pandemic, and we had to spend hundreds of billions _ and we had to spend hundreds of billions of— and we had to spend hundreds of billions of pounds keeping the country— billions of pounds keeping the country going, protecting the economy, protectingjobs country going, protecting the

economy, protecting jobs and businesses, getting the vaccine programme rolled out, funding the nhs which really worked so hard during _ nhs which really worked so hard during a — nhs which really worked so hard during a pandemic. so yes, it has been _ during a pandemic. so yes, it has been tough _ during a pandemic. so yes, it has been tough. and after that we get the war— been tough. and after that we get the war in— been tough. and after that we get the war in ukraine, a war in europe that has— the war in ukraine, a war in europe that has put— the war in ukraine, a war in europe that has put massive pressure on our energy— that has put massive pressure on our energy sources. of course, energy prices— energy sources. of course, energy prices go— energy sources. of course, energy prices go up— energy sources. of course, energy prices go up and people are really feeling _ prices go up and people are really feeling the pinch. i see it in my own— feeling the pinch. i see it in my own weekly shop. i've been shocked by how— own weekly shop. i've been shocked by how much things have gone up and by how much things have gone up and by how— by how much things have gone up and by how much things have gone up and by how much energy prices have gone up, by how much energy prices have gone up. but _ by how much energy prices have gone up. but it— by how much energy prices have gone up. but it is— by how much energy prices have gone up, but it is right that we have a long-term — up, but it is right that we have a long—term decisions and make the long-term — long—term decisions and make the long—term decisions and make the long—term decisions for this country _ long—term decisions for this country, and the cost of living, paul. _ country, and the cost of living, paul. you _ country, and the cost of living, paul, you are right. people have really— paul, you are right. people have really felt — paul, you are right. people have really felt the tough times. but that's— really felt the tough times. but that's why the government did put in so much _ that's why the government did put in so much more money to help people with their— so much more money to help people with their energy costs, and also the cost — with their energy costs, and also the cost of— with their energy costs, and also the cost of living. that was the right _ the cost of living. that was the right thing to do as well. you know, we have _ right thing to do as well. you know, we have to — right thing to do as well. you know, we have to come out of that now and look we have to come out of that now and took to _ we have to come out of that now and took to the _ we have to come out of that now and look to the future. i personally do not believe — look to the future. i personally do not believe that the labour party has the _ not believe that the labour party

has the answers.— not believe that the labour party has the answers. let's talk about the conservative _ has the answers. let's talk about the conservative party. - has the answers. let's talk about the conservative party. paul, i has the answers. let's talk about l the conservative party. paul, come back on that. the conservative party. paul, come back on that-— back on that. yes. they have been sa in: back on that. yes. they have been saying this — back on that. yes. they have been saying this for _ back on that. yes. they have been saying this for 13 _ back on that. yes. they have been saying this for 13 years. _ back on that. yes. they have been saying this for 13 years. and i back on that. yes. they have been saying this for 13 years. and we're | saying this for 13 years. and we're still in same boat. i was on a good wage and the money i earn now, i might as well be on a minimum wage with the cost of living. i energy prices have gone up, and the food has gone up. my shopping has gone up 57%, compared to my weekly shop. so thatis 57%, compared to my weekly shop. so that is not a 9% increase on food. and that is why rishi sunak has really— and that is why rishi sunak has really made halving inflation his number— really made halving inflation his number one priority. it is right that— number one priority. it is right that inflation eats into everybody

's savings — that inflation eats into everybody 's savings and everybody 's wagers. and we _ 's savings and everybody 's wagers. and we are — 's savings and everybody 's wagers. and we are seeing it come down. it was 11%_ and we are seeing it come down. it was ii% iast — and we are seeing it come down. it was 11% last year and now it is around — was 11% last year and now it is around 6.7%. make sure that we get inflation _ around 6.7%. make sure that we get inflation right down, we will all see the — inflation right down, we will all see the benefits.— inflation right down, we will all see the benefits. ,. ., ., ., u, see the benefits. samantha, do come in. former voter. _ see the benefits. samantha, do come in. former voter. meet _ see the benefits. samantha, do come in. former voter. meet nicky. - see the benefits. samantha, do come in. former voter. meet nicky. what i in. former voter. meet nicky. what would ou in. former voter. meet nicky. what would you say _ in. former voter. meet nicky. what would you say to — in. former voter. meet nicky. what would you say to her? _ in. former voter. meet nicky. what would you say to her? 0k, - in. former voter. meet nicky. what would you say to her? ok, so i in. former voter. meet nicky. iersgt would you say to her? ok, so until proportional representation is back on the table, you keep going on about the labour party but you should be thinking more towards the lib dems nowadays. people vote tactically because they have two, and because they have to get the seats into parliament. but you have been talking about covid. stop blaming covid. yes, we got through it, but at the end of the day brexit has had a massive impact. we are still putting our prices up from our suppliers, and we have not yet put those prices into the manufacturers who have not yet got their products

on the shelves. you know, the price food has gone up because they are perishables, but hard goods are not yet on the shelves. and immigration as well, you know, brexit has not stopped illegal immigration by its very nature it is illegal, but it has to be... i very nature it is illegal, but it has to be. . ._ has to be... i don't want to interrupt. _ has to be... i don't want to interrupt, but _ has to be... i don't want to interrupt, but distill- has to be... i don't want to interrupt, but distill it i has to be... i don't want to interrupt, but distill it in i has to be... i don't want to interrupt, but distill it in a | interrupt, but distill it in a sentence. what effect has brexit had on your business?— on your business? paperwork, customs. _ on your business? paperwork, customs, prices. _ on your business? paperwork, customs, prices. we - on your business? paperwork, customs, prices. we have i on your business? paperwork, customs, prices. we have to l on your business? paperwork, l customs, prices. we have to get these lorries of goods in on a weekly basis and we have to sit there, we have to work out vat exchange rates, and the transport companies are still making mistakes. 0k. let companies are still making mistakes. ok. let mejust ask, is companies are still making mistakes. ok. let me just ask, is there any opportunity in the future to rejoin the eu and get the common trade back on the table? i the eu and get the common trade back on the table?— on the table? i firmly predict m stic

on the table? i firmly predict mystic nick _ on the table? i firmly predict mystic nick says _ on the table? i firmly predict mystic nick says nicky i on the table? i firmly predict| mystic nick says nicky aitken on the table? i firmly predict - mystic nick says nicky aitken will say no. but a straight question, people are coming in from all over the country, yes or no, has brexit imposed a burden on business? i think what brexit has done is allowed _ think what brexit has done is allowed businesses to look outside the eu, _ allowed businesses to look outside the eu, to — allowed businesses to look outside the eu, to be honest. and we are seeing _ the eu, to be honest. and we are seeing more and more trade deals being _ seeing more and more trade deals being secured and kemi badenoch has been leading the front on that. we have got— been leading the front on that. we have got deals with new zealand, australia, — have got deals with new zealand, australia, so many different parts of the _ australia, so many different parts of the world. we australia, so many different parts of the world-— australia, so many different parts of the world. ~ ., �* ., of the world. we don't deal with new zealand and — of the world. we don't deal with new zealand and australia. _ of the world. we don't deal with new zealand and australia. but _ of the world. we don't deal with new zealand and australia. but there - of the world. we don't deal with new zealand and australia. but there is i zealand and australia. but there is the opportunity — zealand and australia. but there is the opportunity where _ zealand and australia. but there is the opportunity where people - zealand and australia. but there is the opportunity where people can. | the opportunity where people can. and of— the opportunity where people can. and of course it is important that we continue to be partners with our eu contacts... has we continue to be partners with our eu contaets- - -_ we continue to be partners with our eu contacts... has it imposed, be it temporarily. — eu contacts... has it imposed, be it temporarily. an _ eu contacts... has it imposed, be it temporarily, an imposition - eu contacts... has it imposed, be it temporarily, an imposition on - temporarily, an imposition on business in terms of what we heard that samantha? yes business in terms of what we heard that samantha?—

business in terms of what we heard that samantha? , ., ., ., ~ ., that samantha? yes or no? look, what i'm bein: that samantha? yes or no? look, what i'm being told — that samantha? yes or no? look, what i'm being told by _ that samantha? yes or no? look, what i'm being told by businesses _ that samantha? yes or no? look, what i'm being told by businesses is - that samantha? yes or no? look, what i'm being told by businesses is they - i'm being told by businesses is they want certainty. that's all they want. — want certainty. that's all they want. to _ want certainty. that's all they want, to make sure they know what is coming _ want, to make sure they know what is coming like— want, to make sure they know what is coming. like hsz. leaving the eu was always— coming. like hsz. leaving the eu was always going to be a huge, huge pmiect — always going to be a huge, huge project. 70 million people voted for it. project. 70 million people voted for it -- _ project. 70 million people voted for it -- 17 _ project. 70 million people voted for it. —— 17 million. you have to listen — it. —— 17 million. you have to listen to— it. —— 17 million. you have to listen to them because it is democracy. listen to them because it is democracy-— listen to them because it is democra . , ., , , democracy. they voted because we were not being _ democracy. they voted because we were not being told _ democracy. they voted because we were not being told the _ democracy. they voted because we were not being told the truth. - democracy. they voted because we were not being told the truth. we l were not being told the truth. we have to move on on this, but also we have _ have to move on on this, but also we have to _ have to move on on this, but also we have to move — have to move on on this, but also we have to move on on this, but also we have to move on from the brexit debate — have to move on from the brexit debate. we are out and have been out now for— debate. we are out and have been out now for several years and we have -ot now for several years and we have got to _ now for several years and we have got to make it work. i also think that the — got to make it work. i also think that the pandemic did mean that we couldn't_ that the pandemic did mean that we couldn't progress as quickly and decisively— couldn't progress as quickly and decisively as we wanted because the whole _ decisively as we wanted because the whole global economy shut down. it has now— whole global economy shut down. it has now reopened, and now we can

start— has now reopened, and now we can start to _ has now reopened, and now we can start to see — has now reopened, and now we can start to see the benefits of brexit. then _ start to see the benefits of brexit. then in _ start to see the benefits of brexit. then in cirencester, i will be with you paul, but then, what would you like to say question mark it says on my screen, traditional tory voter. do they still have your vote? mat my screen, traditional tory voter. do they still have your vote? not at the minute. — do they still have your vote? not at the minute, no. _ do they still have your vote? not at the minute, no. it— do they still have your vote? not at the minute, no. it plays _ do they still have your vote? not at the minute, no. it plays back- do they still have your vote? not at the minute, no. it plays back to - do they still have your vote? not at | the minute, no. it plays back to one of the _ the minute, no. it plays back to one of the key— the minute, no. it plays back to one of the key assets _ the minute, no. it plays back to one of the key assets which _ the minute, no. it plays back to one of the key assets which the - the minute, no. it plays back to one of the key assets which the prime . of the key assets which the prime minister— of the key assets which the prime minister talked _ of the key assets which the prime minister talked about— of the key assets which the prime minister talked about not - of the key assets which the prime minister talked about not long - of the key assets which the prime i minister talked about not long ago, which _ minister talked about not long ago, which is _ minister talked about not long ago, which is trust — minister talked about not long ago, which is trust. liz— minister talked about not long ago, which is trust. liz truss _ minister talked about not long ago, which is trust. liz truss or- minister talked about not long ago, which is trust. liz truss or trust? i which is trust. liz truss or trust? well, _ which is trust. liz truss or trust? well, both! — which is trust. liz truss or trust? well, both! it— which is trust. liz truss or trust? well, both! it is— which is trust. liz truss or trust? well, both! it is a _ which is trust. liz truss or trust? well, both! it is a good - which is trust. liz truss or trust? well, both! it is a good mixing . which is trust. liz truss or trust? | well, both! it is a good mixing of the words — well, both! it is a good mixing of the words because _ well, both! it is a good mixing of the words because the _ well, both! it is a good mixing of the words because the first - well, both! it is a good mixing of the words because the first thing | well, both! it is a good mixing of. the words because the first thing is i the words because the first thing is i don't _ the words because the first thing is idon't particularly— the words because the first thing is i don't particularly trust _ the words because the first thing is i don't particularly trust the - i don't particularly trust the direction _ idon't particularly trust the direction this— i don't particularly trust the direction this government l i don't particularly trust the l direction this government are i don't particularly trust the - direction this government are going. i direction this government are going. i don't _ direction this government are going. ldon't trust — direction this government are going. ldon't trust the _ direction this government are going. i don't trust the way _ direction this government are going. i don't trust the way they— direction this government are going. i don't trust the way they are - direction this government are going. i don't trust the way they are going i idon't trust the way they are going about— i don't trust the way they are going about it _ i don't trust the way they are going about it this — i don't trust the way they are going about it. this idea _ idon't trust the way they are going about it. this idea of— i don't trust the way they are going about it. this idea of a _ idon't trust the way they are going about it. this idea of a toxic- about it. this idea of a toxic playground _ about it. this idea of a toxic playground politics - about it. this idea of a toxic playground politics is - about it. this idea of a toxic. playground politics is entirely true — playground politics is entirely true. however, _ playground politics is entirely true. however, liz— playground politics is entirely true. however, liz truss- playground politics is entirely- true. however, liz truss probably tapped _ true. however, liz truss probably tapped into— true. however, liz truss probably tapped into that, _ true. however, liz truss probably tapped into that, as— true. however, liz truss probably tapped into that, as much- true. however, liz truss probably tapped into that, as much as - true. however, liz truss probably tapped into that, as much as herl tapped into that, as much as her policies — tapped into that, as much as her policies didn't _ tapped into that, as much as her policies didn't work, _ tapped into that, as much as her policies didn't work, alicia - tapped into that, as much as her policies didn't work, alicia had . tapped into that, as much as her policies didn't work, alicia had a | policies didn't work, alicia had a direction — policies didn't work, alicia had a direction and _ policies didn't work, alicia had a direction and an _ policies didn't work, alicia had a direction and an end _ policies didn't work, alicia had a direction and an end plan. - policies didn't work, alicia had a i direction and an end plan. rightly or wrongly— direction and an end plan. rightly or wrongly at _ direction and an end plan. rightly or wrongly at least _

direction and an end plan. rightly or wrongly at least we _ direction and an end plan. rightly or wrongly at least we were - direction and an end plan. rightly or wrongly at least we were going direction and an end plan. rightly. or wrongly at least we were going in a direction — or wrongly at least we were going in a direction at — or wrongly at least we were going in a direction. at the _ or wrongly at least we were going in a direction. at the moment- or wrongly at least we were going in a direction. at the moment we - or wrongly at least we were going in a direction. at the moment we are i a direction. at the moment we are going _ a direction. at the moment we are going round — a direction. at the moment we are going round in— a direction. at the moment we are going round in circles. _ a direction. at the moment we are going round in circles. do- a direction. at the moment we are going round in circles.— a direction. at the moment we are going round in circles. do you think there is a problem _ going round in circles. do you think there is a problem with _ going round in circles. do you think there is a problem with rishi - going round in circles. do you thinkj there is a problem with rishi sunak �*s leadership? plat there is a problem with rishi sunak "s leadership?— 's leadership? not necessarily. i don't 's leadership? not necessarily. i dontthink— 's leadership? not necessarily. i don't think he _ 's leadership? not necessarily. i don't think he is _ 's leadership? not necessarily. i don't think he is necessarily - 's leadership? not necessarily. i. don't think he is necessarily doing anything — don't think he is necessarily doing anything wrong _ don't think he is necessarily doing anything wrong but _ don't think he is necessarily doing anything wrong but the _ don't think he is necessarily doing anything wrong but the way - don't think he is necessarily doing anything wrong but the way in - don't think he is necessarily doing . anything wrong but the way in which he got _ anything wrong but the way in which he got into— anything wrong but the way in which he got into that _ anything wrong but the way in which he got into that position— anything wrong but the way in which he got into that position i— anything wrong but the way in which he got into that position i think- he got into that position i think was mysterious, _ he got into that position i think was mysterious, put— he got into that position i think was mysterious, put it - he got into that position i think was mysterious, put it that- he got into that position i think. was mysterious, put it that way. he got into that position i think- was mysterious, put it that way. and it just _ was mysterious, put it that way. and itjust undermined _ was mysterious, put it that way. and it just undermined trust _ was mysterious, put it that way. and itjust undermined trust in _ was mysterious, put it that way. and it just undermined trust in who - was mysterious, put it that way. and it just undermined trust in who we i it just undermined trust in who we have _ it just undermined trust in who we have elected — it just undermined trust in who we have elected to _ it just undermined trust in who we have elected to run _ it just undermined trust in who we have elected to run our— it just undermined trust in who we have elected to run our country. . have elected to run our country. mysterious? _ have elected to run our country. mysterious?— have elected to run our country. mysterious? yes, without being a consira mysterious? yes, without being a conspiracy theorist _ mysterious? yes, without being a conspiracy theorist about - mysterious? yes, without being a conspiracy theorist about the - mysterious? yes, without being a i conspiracy theorist about the whole thing. _ conspiracy theorist about the whole thing. i_ conspiracy theorist about the whole thing. ithink— conspiracy theorist about the whole thing, i think liz— conspiracy theorist about the whole thing, i think liz truss _ conspiracy theorist about the whole thing, i think liz truss was - conspiracy theorist about the whole thing, i think liz truss was outed . thing, i think liz truss was outed by her— thing, i think liz truss was outed by her own— thing, i think liz truss was outed by her own party— thing, i think liz truss was outed by her own party mps _ thing, i think liz truss was outed by her own party mps and - thing, i think liz truss was outed l by her own party mps and actually, she was— by her own party mps and actually, she was put— by her own party mps and actually, she was put in— by her own party mps and actually, she was put in place _ by her own party mps and actually, she was put in place by— by her own party mps and actually, she was put in place by the - by her own party mps and actually, she was put in place by the party. she was put in place by the party membership— she was put in place by the party membership who _ she was put in place by the party membership who are _ she was put in place by the party membership who are now - she was put in place by the party membership who are now in - she was put in place by the party membership who are now in a i she was put in place by the party- membership who are now in a position where _ membership who are now in a position where we _ membership who are now in a position where we have — membership who are now in a position where we have the _ membership who are now in a position where we have the mps _ membership who are now in a position where we have the mps of— membership who are now in a position where we have the mps of the - membership who are now in a position where we have the mps of the party. where we have the mps of the party and the _ where we have the mps of the party and the membership... _ where we have the mps of the party and the membership. . ._ where we have the mps of the party and the membership... would you like liz truss back? _ and the membership... would you like liz truss back? an _ and the membership... would you like liz truss back? an ideal— and the membership... would you like liz truss back? an ideal world? - and the membership... would you like liz truss back? an ideal world? i - liz truss back? an ideal world? i like the idea _ liz truss back? an ideal world? i like the idea of— liz truss back? an ideal world? i like the idea of what _ liz truss back? an ideal world? i like the idea of what she - liz truss back? an ideal world? i like the idea of what she was - liz truss back? an ideal world? i l like the idea of what she was going after _ like the idea of what she was going after i_ like the idea of what she was going after ithink— like the idea of what she was going after. i think she _ like the idea of what she was going after. i think she was _ like the idea of what she was going after. i think she was on— like the idea of what she was going after. i think she was on to - like the idea of what she was going after. i think she was on to the - after. i think she was on to the right— after. i think she was on to the right idea _ after. i think she was on to the right idea. with _ after. i think she was on to the right idea. with regards -

after. i think she was on to the right idea. with regards to- right idea. with regards to personality, _ right idea. with regards to personality, i— right idea. with regards to personality, i am - right idea. with regards to personality, i am pretty i right idea. with regards to- personality, i am pretty agnostic, to be _ personality, i am pretty agnostic, to be honest _ personality, i am pretty agnostic, to be honest-— personality, i am pretty agnostic, to be honest. ., ,, , . to be honest. thank you very much. paul in blackpool, _ to be honest. thank you very much. paul in blackpool, let's _ to be honest. thank you very much. paul in blackpool, let's hear - to be honest. thank you very much. paul in blackpool, let's hear from i paul in blackpool, let's hearfrom you. paul in blackpool, let's hear from ou. ., . paul in blackpool, let's hear from ou. . , , paul in blackpool, let's hear from ou. ., , , ., paul in blackpool, let's hear from ou. , ., ., you. the last person who was on, i've not you. the last person who was on, i've got to — you. the last person who was on, i've got to agree _ you. the last person who was on, i've got to agree with _ you. the last person who was on, i've got to agree with him - you. the last person who was on, i've got to agree with him totally. we did not elect him. we could have a general election once and for all. we should have it now. there's no point waiting until next year. simon, what do you want to say? hello, good morning to you. well, i used _ hello, good morning to you. well, i used to— hello, good morning to you. well, i used to be — hello, good morning to you. well, i used to be a — hello, good morning to you. well, i used to be a conservative _ hello, good morning to you. well, i used to be a conservative voter - hello, good morning to you. well, i used to be a conservative voter but| used to be a conservative voter but i am used to be a conservative voter but i am now _ used to be a conservative voter but i am now nonaligned. _ used to be a conservative voter but i am now nonaligned. but - used to be a conservative voter but i am now nonaligned. but looking l used to be a conservative voter but| i am now nonaligned. but looking at the conservative _ i am now nonaligned. but looking at the conservative party, _ i am now nonaligned. but looking at the conservative party, this - i am now nonaligned. but looking at the conservative party, this whole l the conservative party, this whole conference. — the conservative party, this whole conference. i_ the conservative party, this whole conference, i am _ the conservative party, this whole conference, i am seeing _ the conservative party, this whole conference, i am seeing frankly. the conservative party, this whole conference, i am seeing frankly a i conference, i am seeing frankly a load of— conference, i am seeing frankly a load of chaos _ conference, i am seeing frankly a load of chaos. this _ conference, i am seeing frankly a load of chaos. this is— conference, i am seeing frankly a load of chaos. this is a _ conference, i am seeing frankly a load of chaos. this is a party- conference, i am seeing frankly a load of chaos. this is a party thatj load of chaos. this is a party that has got _ load of chaos. this is a party that has got to— load of chaos. this is a party that has got to come _ load of chaos. this is a party that has got to come up— load of chaos. this is a party that has got to come up to _ load of chaos. this is a party that has got to come up to an - load of chaos. this is a party that. has got to come up to an election, they have — has got to come up to an election, they have got _ has got to come up to an election, they have got the _ has got to come up to an election, they have got the best _ has got to come up to an election, they have got the best leader - has got to come up to an election,

they have got the best leader theyj they have got the best leader they could _ they have got the best leader they could possibly— they have got the best leader they could possibly have _ they have got the best leader they could possibly have at _ they have got the best leader they could possibly have at the - they have got the best leader theyl could possibly have at the moment stock _ could possibly have at the moment stock rishi — could possibly have at the moment stock rishi sunak _ could possibly have at the moment stock rishi sunak is _ could possibly have at the moment stock rishi sunak is the _ could possibly have at the moment stock rishi sunak is the brightest l stock rishi sunak is the brightest of the _ stock rishi sunak is the brightest of the bunch _ stock rishi sunak is the brightest of the bunch by— stock rishi sunak is the brightest of the bunch by a _ stock rishi sunak is the brightest of the bunch by a long _ stock rishi sunak is the brightest of the bunch by a long way. - of the bunch by a long way. intellectually _ of the bunch by a long way. intellectually and _ of the bunch by a long way. intellectually and so - of the bunch by a long way. intellectually and so on. . of the bunch by a long way. intellectually and so on. he of the bunch by a long way. - intellectually and so on. he may have _ intellectually and so on. he may have his — intellectually and so on. he may have his faults, _ intellectually and so on. he may have his faults, but _ intellectually and so on. he may| have his faults, but intellectually he is _ have his faults, but intellectually he is the — have his faults, but intellectually he is the best— have his faults, but intellectually he is the best person _ have his faults, but intellectually he is the best person for- have his faults, but intellectually he is the best person for the - have his faults, but intellectuallyj he is the best person for the job. what _ he is the best person for the job. what is _ he is the best person for the job. what is absolutely _ he is the best person for the job. what is absolutely hideous - he is the best person for the job. what is absolutely hideous is - he is the best person for the job. | what is absolutely hideous is this great _ what is absolutely hideous is this great sort — what is absolutely hideous is this great sort of _ what is absolutely hideous is this great sort of middle _ what is absolutely hideous is this great sort of middle class - what is absolutely hideous is this great sort of middle class mp - what is absolutely hideous is this . great sort of middle class mp jabari going _ great sort of middle class mp jabari going on— great sort of middle class mp jabari going on with — great sort of middle class mp jabari going on with no _ great sort of middle class mp jabari going on with no serious _ great sort of middle class mp jabari going on with no serious direction l going on with no serious direction at all— going on with no serious direction at all -- _ going on with no serious direction at all —— jamboree. _ going on with no serious direction at all —— jamboree. if— going on with no serious direction at all —— jamboree. if they - going on with no serious direction at all —— jamboree. if they want . going on with no serious direction| at all —— jamboree. if they want to wind _ at all —— jamboree. if they want to wind an— at all —— jamboree. if they want to wind an election, _ at all —— jamboree. if they want to wind an election, they— at all —— jamboree. if they want to wind an election, they have - at all —— jamboree. if they want to wind an election, they have to - wind an election, they have to understand _ wind an election, they have to understand they— wind an election, they have to understand they have - wind an election, they have to understand they have to - wind an election, they have to understand they have to get l wind an election, they have to - understand they have to get behind their leader — understand they have to get behind their leader. and _ understand they have to get behind their leader. and they— understand they have to get behind their leader. and they don't - understand they have to get behind their leader. and they don't seem i understand they have to get behind l their leader. and they don't seem to -et their leader. and they don't seem to get that— their leader. and they don't seem to get that nressage, _ their leader. and they don't seem to get that message, because - their leader. and they don't seem to get that message, because they - their leader. and they don't seem to get that message, because they are| get that message, because they are too busy— get that message, because they are too busy waffling _ get that message, because they are too busy waffling around _ get that message, because they are too busy waffling around the - get that message, because they are too busy waffling around the medial too busy waffling around the media and the _ too busy waffling around the media and the press — too busy waffling around the media and the press with _ too busy waffling around the media and the press with liz— too busy waffling around the media and the press with liz truss - too busy waffling around the media and the press with liz truss trying i and the press with liz truss trying to beat _ and the press with liz truss trying to beat her— and the press with liz truss trying to beat her old _ and the press with liz truss trying to beat her old drum _ and the press with liz truss trying to beat her old drum again. - and the press with liz truss trying to beat her old drum again. we i and the press with liz truss trying i to beat her old drum again. we had that. _ to beat her old drum again. we had that. we _ to beat her old drum again. we had that. we know— to beat her old drum again. we had that, we know that _ to beat her old drum again. we had that, we know that it _ to beat her old drum again. we had that, we know that it did _ to beat her old drum again. we had that, we know that it did not- to beat her old drum again. we had that, we know that it did not add i that, we know that it did not add up, that, we know that it did not add up. the — that, we know that it did not add up, the arithmetic— that, we know that it did not add up, the arithmetic did _ that, we know that it did not add up, the arithmetic did not- that, we know that it did not add up, the arithmetic did not add i that, we know that it did not add. up, the arithmetic did not add up, so for— up, the arithmetic did not add up, so for goodness' _ up, the arithmetic did not add up, so for goodness' sake, _ up, the arithmetic did not add up, so for goodness' sake, if- up, the arithmetic did not add up, so for goodness' sake, if the - so for goodness' sake, if the conservative _ so for goodness' sake, if the conservative party _ so for goodness' sake, if the conservative party want - so for goodness' sake, if the conservative party want to l so for goodness' sake, if the - conservative party want to wind, they have — conservative party want to wind, they have to _ conservative party want to wind, they have to learn _ conservative party want to wind, they have to learn to _ conservative party want to wind, they have to learn to unite - conservative party want to wind, i they have to learn to unite behind their— they have to learn to unite behind their leader— they have to learn to unite behind their leaderand _ they have to learn to unite behind their leader and stop— they have to learn to unite behind their leader and stop what - they have to learn to unite behind their leader and stop what i- they have to learn to unite behind their leader and stop what i call. their leader and stop what i call middle—class— their leader and stop what i call middle—class waffle _ their leader and stop what i call middle—class waffle around - their leader and stop what i call. middle—class waffle around people trying _ middle—class waffle around people trying to _ middle—class waffle around people trying to be — middle—class waffle around people trying to be better— middle—class waffle around people trying to be better than _ middle—class waffle around people trying to be better than the - middle—class waffle around people trying to be better than the next . trying to be better than the next guy. _ trying to be better than the next guy. shut — trying to be better than the next guy. shut up. _ trying to be better than the next guy. shut up. get—

trying to be better than the next guy. shut up. get on— trying to be better than the next guy. shut up, get on and - trying to be better than the next guy. shut up, get on and get- trying to be better than the next - guy. shut up, get on and get behind your leader. — view liz truss premiership will haunt your party to its electoral grave? is haunt your party to its electoral rave? . ., haunt your party to its electoral t rave? , ., ., haunt your party to its electoral rave? , . ., , ., ., ., grave? is that a question or a statement? _ grave? is that a question or a statement? it _ grave? is that a question or a statement? it is _ grave? is that a question or a statement? it is a _ grave? is that a question or a statement? it is a rhetorical. statement? it is a rhetorical statement. _ statement? it is a rhetorical statement, it _ statement? it is a rhetorical statement, it is _ statement? it is a rhetorical statement, it is not - statement? it is a rhetorical statement, it is not my - statement? it is a rhetorical statement, it is not my job. statement? it is a rhetorical. statement, it is not my job to statement? it is a rhetorical- statement, it is not my job to have statement, it is not myjob to have beliefs. i am statement, it is not myjob to have beliefs. iam basically statement, it is not myjob to have beliefs. i am basically giving you a precis of what many people are saying. i precis of what many people are sa inc. ., precis of what many people are sa in, ., precis of what many people are sa inc. . ., saying. i am looking to the future with rishi sunak _ saying. i am looking to the future with rishi sunak for _ saying. i am looking to the future with rishi sunak for the _ saying. i am looking to the future with rishi sunak for the first - with rishi sunak for the first long—term decisions for this country, productivity, growing the economy, and ensuring that public services are fit for the 21st century. that is what it is about. liz truss is at the conference this week peddling her theories, she has her cheerleaders in the party, we have heard from one of our callers, she has been in the conference this

week, her policy, that interannual, if you like, still stalks and hunts your party —— that interregnum. still haunts and stalk your party, wasn't it a gross embarrassment? latte wasn't it a gross embarrassment? we are a wasn't it a gross embarrassment? - are a broad church, it is important to hearfrom all sides. and when moving forward under rishi sunak�*s excellent premiership. we have got to carry on moving on and bringing down inflation, growing the economy, reducing the debt, these are the most important thing is we have got to do. rishi sunak spent the last year getting a grip on the issues. and i think tomorrow, we will see what his vision is for the country. i think we will now see what rishi really wants to achieve with this government moving forward. you are

deu government moving forward. you are deputy chair— government moving forward. you are deputy chair of _ government moving forward. you are deputy chair of the _ government moving forward. you are deputy chair of the conservative - deputy chair of the conservative party. quickly, do you agree with your colleague who also holds a high role in the party lee anderson that if asylum seekers do not like accommodation in this country they can" f off back to france? it is accommodation in this country they can" f off back to france?— can" f off back to france? it is not lanaruae can" f off back to france? it is not language that _ can" f off back to france? it is not language that l — can" f off back to france? it is not language that i would _ can" f off back to france? it is not language that i would ever- can" f off back to france? it is not language that i would ever use. i can" f off back to france? it is not l language that i would ever use. like a mackie still on the job, in language that i would ever use. like a mackie still on thejob, in one of the highest offices of the conservative party, using language like that. is that acceptable? i'm not going to go into what lee anderson does or doesn't do, that is for him. but look. we are a broad church. now, look, i'm not going to criticise lee, when he is an excellent mp for his constituency. thank you very much indeed, nicky aitken. if you can hand over the

microphone to nick eardley, our political correspondent, i will come to nick, and find out his thoughts. that was nifty footwork, you should be an strictly come dancing, nick eardley! hs2, massive speculation, but there are a range of other issues. i want to ask you about this, nick. in recent days and weeks, it seems rishi sunak has put his gloves on. weeks, it seems rishi sunak has put his gloves om— his gloves on. yes, there is a lot more political — his gloves on. yes, there is a lot more political point _ his gloves on. yes, there is a lot more political point scoring - his gloves on. yes, there is a lot more political point scoring at i more political point scoring at this conference. i have listened to a lot of this speeches now, the stuff going on in the auditorium down there, and there is not a great amount of policy, there have been bits and bobs like the national living wage going up, more —— more money for submarines, things like that, but also a lot of proper politics. —— trident submarines. the

tories are trying to create wedge issues rather they can say that we have got this really strong position on net zero, or a low traffic neighbourhoods, on cars and the politics of the car, what are labour doing? and they are quite frequently throwing it back and saying, we have got a strong policy, what is keir starmer going to do? there is a peculiar thing going on that has made a few conservative slightly uncomfortable, where almost strawman arguments are being created. yesterday we had claire coutinho, the energy secretary, talking about keir starmer wanting to put a tax on meat, which isn't a labour policy, the transport secretary talking about this idea of 15 minute cities and saying people should not be charged per mile they drive which as far as we can see isn't really a policy anywhere. far as we can see isn't really a policy anywhere-— far as we can see isn't really a policy anywhere. are only being allowed to _ policy anywhere. are only being allowed to go — policy anywhere. are only being allowed to go to _ policy anywhere. are only being allowed to go to certain - policy anywhere. are only being allowed to go to certain shops. | allowed to go to certain shops. exactly. there is a lot of raw

politics going on. the tories trying to take the gloves off. bud to take the gloves off. and also, the war on _ to take the gloves off. and also, the war on work, _ to take the gloves off. and also, the war on work, of— to take the gloves off. and also, the war on work, of course. - to take the gloves off. and also, | the war on work, of course. h52, the war on work, of course. hs2, thatis the war on work, of course. hs2, that is a conversation we will be having on the second hour of the programme on the radio and meanwhile, tories, past, presentand future come out yet in touch with us about what morale is like as we head towards that general election. it is 9:36am, sorry i'm a bit late. get in touch. some good text coming in, i'll get to those presently. now the news. this is bbc news, the headlines. as he gives pressure to give clarity on its future. it is been

speculating —— speculated that the line between birmingham and manchester could be scrapped, downing street insisted no decision has been made. rishi sunak is in manchester for the conservative party conference but it is not expected for him to make an announcement about hs2 until his speech tomorrow. for the first time in more than two years food prices are full in one per month by a little bit. they dipped 0.i% are full in one per month by a little bit. they dipped 0.1% last month helping bring down annualfood inflation to 9.9% following an increase in supermarket competition. a 12—year—old boys in a condition after he and a 50—year—old man was struck by lightning at a school football match. the incident happened yesterday afternoon in hertfordshire. the us has issued its first ever find your company for leaving junk in space. the company has to pay more than $50,000 were not taking the satellite out of orbit. those are the news headlines and now with the support. the australian open tennis will be a 15

day event for the first time in 2024 in an attempt to reduce the number of late—night finishes at melbourne park. the tournament's scheduling was questioned injanuary park. the tournament's scheduling was questioned in january after andy murray described his foray and finish as a farce. now the grand slam will start one day earlier on a sunday with a minimum two matches will scheduled per day session on the main court to try to avoid delays to the evening sessions. at the china open today the british number one katie boulter was beaten in straight sets by the world number one aryna sabalenka in round one. bukayo saka is available for arsenal's champions league trip to lens. he had limped off against bournemouth on saturday. tonight we will bring coverage of manchester united versus galatasaray from eight. an today were looking at the state of british politics. asking is technology ruining football. are we

too obsessed with our phones? karen from hull to know how hot the planet is going to get. and we will explain why prices keep going up and up. and did you know that space has own smell? the world is fast moving and can be confusing. so, let's talk about it. it is our conservative conference special. we are doing this with all of the main westminster parties, opening to the would—be voters, there might be voters, the membership and we are doing that until ten o'clock. at ten o'clock, basically, it is a big issue of the day on the radio but for viewers on bbc news and bbc two, the latest

national and international news, should you choose to listen to the radio 5live, bbc sounds, we are discussing hs2, should we go to manchester or not? it is a straight question and i know that you will give us a straight answer. it is the $64 billion, more than that, the big question, it has been in the airfor a couple of weeks and now dominating the conservative party conference, the conservative party conference, the rishi sunak likes it or not, people say that he might be saying something about it more definitive. widespread reports that he is about to actually birmingham to manchester leg of hs2. number ten has insisted that no final decision has been made. but it is causing some consternation in some places. in other places people are saying that the money can be put to far better use. what do you want to happen? is taking hs2 to manchester too pricey or do the benefits outweigh the cost? it is a divided party on that

issue and the country, so let's hear from you. get those calls and texts in. that is at ten o'clock. i promised you some text, we have those coming in. did i hear that rights is one text, someone hasjust said that liz truss should be still leader, tell that to my daughter whose market has gone up by £350 a month. this text, i'm a floating voter fed up with month. this text, i'm a floating voterfed up with being gas knighted by this out of touch government who will not answer a straight answer. there are very few of us who have never had it so good. give the general public the chance to democrat —— exercise our democratic rights and call an election. this

one, chaos, yes, but at least it is identifiable. labour don't even have that. and this one also, the tory party has been hijacked by the brexit party. it is a sad state of affairs. that is from archie from falkirk. thank you very much indeed, archie. a lot of conservatives who have voted conservative in the past are looking pretty worried at the moment. nicky aitken is still with us, the deputy chair of the conservative party, mps for the cities of london and westminster. we have the chair of conservative young women in the midlands, and james and canterbury are still there, chairman of the canterbury conservative association. a question that i ask the lib dems and we got interesting answers. a very lively debate ensued. just say yes if you think the answer to this question is yes, don't say no. do you think we should

ever rejoin the european union? it would be a no from me. i ever rejoin the european union? it would be a no from me. ijust- ever rejoin the european union? it i would be a no from me. ijust wanted would be a no from me. i 'ust wanted the autelle would be a no from me. i 'ust wanted the queue s. — would be a no from me. i 'ust wanted the queue s. as t would be a no from me. i 'ust wanted the qutelle s, as they _ would be a no from me. ijust wanted the qutelle s, as they say, _ would be a no from me. ijust wanted the qutelle s, as they say, quelle - the qutelle s, as they say, quelle surprise! hst is dominating everything. what is going on? i everything. what is going on? i think, from my end, hst would have been an important infrastructure project for the country, but we do need to keep costs in mind, so i think the alternative being proposed is to strengthen the transport existing in the north and see if thatis existing in the north and see if that is viable before taking a final decision but as somebody living in the west midlands, i do see how getting into london is usually a challenge, so i think that the

government should seriously consider the transport needs across the country and notjust the transport needs across the country and not just focus on the transport needs across the country and notjust focus on this. like a mackie west midlands mayor is curious if this leg should be ditched. �* ., curious if this leg should be ditched. . ., , ., ., ditched. another pledge, another riori , ditched. another pledge, another priority. what _ ditched. another pledge, another priority, what are _ ditched. another pledge, another priority, what are your— ditched. another pledge, another priority, what are your feelings i ditched. another pledge, another| priority, what are your feelings on immigration akeela?— immigration akeela? three small boats should _ immigration akeela? three small boats should be _ immigration akeela? three small boats should be stopped, - immigration akeela? three small boats should be stopped, people| boats should be stopped, people should not risk their lives to come into the country back, actually reviewing the routes that are available, iam reviewing the routes that are available, i am fairly liberal on this issue, i would say compared to other wings of the party. but, we do need to take a grip on the issue of the small boats. it needs to stop. and reviewing the rules that we have at the moment should be the way to go forward. at the moment should be the way to to forward. , ., . at the moment should be the way to to forward. , . , ., ., ,, go forward. james hill, what do you think of that. _ go forward. james hill, what do you think of that, local _ go forward. james hill, what do you think of that, local tory _

think of that, local tory councillor? how big a priority as this for the british people? it is a hue this for the british people? it is a huge one. _ this for the british people? it is a huge one. that — this for the british people? it is a huge one, that has _ this for the british people? it is a huge one, that has dominated i this for the british people? it is a | huge one, that has dominated our headlines— huge one, that has dominated our headlines for some time now. i tend to agree _ headlines for some time now. i tend to agree with the previous speaker in terms _ to agree with the previous speaker in terms of— to agree with the previous speaker in terms of we need to look at safe routes. _ in terms of we need to look at safe routes. but — in terms of we need to look at safe routes, but one of the things i have a massive _ routes, but one of the things i have a massive concern of is the cost, regarding — a massive concern of is the cost, regarding putting immigrants in hotels _ regarding putting immigrants in hotels and that sort of thing, there is a far— hotels and that sort of thing, there is a far better way of doing than the current system, it is not delivering _ the current system, it is not delivering for them and that the british— delivering for them and that the british public, so i think we do desperately need to look at it. i know— desperately need to look at it. i know that — desperately need to look at it. i know that measures have been taken which _ know that measures have been taken which have _ know that measures have been taken which have so far been faulty if you like but _ which have so far been faulty if you like but it— which have so far been faulty if you like but it is— which have so far been faulty if you like but it is a massive issue and lots of— like but it is a massive issue and lots of peoples minds and will surely— lots of peoples minds and will surely be a key topic of conversation at the next general election. — conversation at the next general election. my �* ~ conversation at the next general election. . ~ ,, ., election. nicky aitken, not unrelated. _ election. nicky aitken, not unrelated, suella - election. nicky aitken, not i unrelated, suella braverman election. nicky aitken, not - unrelated, suella braverman said that multiculturalism has failed. do you agree with that? plat that multiculturalism has failed. do you agree with that?—

you agree with that? not at all. you're asking — you agree with that? not at all. you're asking for _ you agree with that? not at all. you're asking for a _ you agree with that? not at all. you're asking for a straight - you agree with that? not at all. - you're asking for a straight answer, i gave you a straight answer, i do not agree with her at all on that. might you have a with her? i already have. might you have a with her? i already have- what — might you have a with her? i already have. what did — might you have a with her? i already have. what did you _ might you have a with her? i already have. what did you say? _ might you have a with her? i already have. what did you say? i _ might you have a with her? i already have. what did you say? i made - might you have a with her? i already have. what did you say? i made it i have. what did you say? i made it very clear — have. what did you say? i made it very clear that _ have. what did you say? i made it very clear that in _ have. what did you say? i made it very clear that in a _ have. what did you say? i made it very clear that in a constituency i very clear that in a constituency like mine, multiculturalism shows that it has worked. london is better for the fact that we have people from all parts of the world making a life for themselves. and i think priti patel and james cleverly have been very clear as has rishi. we have people in the cabinet to have made it clear that multiculturalism has worked in this country, and it will do and will continue to do so. the home secretary, somebody you occupies one of the great offices of state has said that multiculturalism in our great country, something that

people argue, has been one of the makings of our great country, are you embarrassed that the home secretary has said that? i am not embarrassed, _ secretary has said that? i am not embarrassed, i— secretary has said that? i am not embarrassed, ijust _ secretary has said that? i am not embarrassed, i just think - secretary has said that? i am not embarrassed, i just think she - secretary has said that? i am not embarrassed, i just think she is l embarrassed, i just think she is wrong. we all have our own views on it. ithink wrong. we all have our own views on it. i think what my fellow conservatives have said in a panel just now is right. we have to deal with illegal immigration but we have to accept that illegal immigration is not a uk only issue, notjust the european issue but a global issue, and the world has got to come together to deal with it. we have got to ensure that, why do people feel that they have to leave their home country to make a better life? we should be investing in developing countries to make sure that people can... ,, ., countries to make sure that people can... . ., . countries to make sure that people can... ,, ., , , can... should we be bombing them, there are lots _ can... should we be bombing them, there are lots of _ can... should we be bombing them, there are lots of people _ can... should we be bombing them, there are lots of people coming - can... should we be bombing them, | there are lots of people coming from syria and iraq. we

there are lots of people coming from syria and iraq-— syria and iraq. we didn't bomb s ria, syria and iraq. we didn't bomb syria. but _ syria and iraq. we didn't bomb syria. but the _ syria and iraq. we didn't bomb syria, but the russians - syria and iraq. we didn't bomb i syria, but the russians destroyed syria, but the russians destroyed syria, with the then regime. we do need to ensure that people feel that they can continue to live in their own country, that they can build businesses, they can build lives, they do not need to get on about and risk their lives. we have to be very clear that every death channel, in the mediterranean, is a personal and family tragedy. and i don't want to see any more of that. and we could see any more of that. and we could see of that. there is no reason why we couldn't, but we have got to stop people dying, gotta make that we take on the human traffickers, this organised crime that is making millions and millions out of human misery. that is unacceptable, nicky. i don't think any right minded person would disagree with that. when you set to suella braverman

that she was wrong, what is she say? i have not seen her, to be honest. i'm sorry, i thought you said you had spoken to her. no worries. jason in kingston and mark in manchester, what would you like to say? i in kingston and mark in manchester, what would you like to say?- what would you like to say? i would like to inject — what would you like to say? i would like to inject a _ what would you like to say? i would like to inject a bit _ what would you like to say? i would like to inject a bit of— what would you like to say? i would like to inject a bit of positive - like to inject a bit of positive into— like to inject a bit of positive into today's _ like to inject a bit of positive into today's discussion. i i into today's discussion. i am conservative _ into today's discussion. i am conservative with— into today's discussion. i am conservative with a - into today's discussion. i am conservative with a small i into today's discussion. i am conservative with a small c, | into today's discussion. i am | conservative with a small c, i into today's discussion. i am - conservative with a small c, i have not always — conservative with a small c, i have not always voted _ conservative with a small c, i have not always voted conservative i conservative with a small c, i have not always voted conservative but| conservative with a small c, i havei not always voted conservative but i am pleased — not always voted conservative but i am pleased with _ not always voted conservative but i am pleased with rishi _ not always voted conservative but i am pleased with rishi sunak- not always voted conservative but i am pleased with rishi sunak and i am pleased with rishi sunak and think— am pleased with rishi sunak and think that — am pleased with rishi sunak and think that as— am pleased with rishi sunak and think that as a _ am pleased with rishi sunak and think that as a country— am pleased with rishi sunak and think that as a country we - am pleased with rishi sunak and think that as a country we are i think that as a country we are really— think that as a country we are really lucky _ think that as a country we are really lucky to _ think that as a country we are really lucky to have _ think that as a country we are really lucky to have someone| think that as a country we are i really lucky to have someone with his gualities. _ really lucky to have someone with his qualities. he _ really lucky to have someone with his qualities. he does— really lucky to have someone with his qualities. he does not- really lucky to have someone with his qualities. he does not court. his qualities. he does not court publicity. — his qualities. he does not court publicity. he _ his qualities. he does not court publicity. he has _ his qualities. he does not court publicity. he has been - his qualities. he does not court publicity. he has been head i his qualities. he does not court. publicity. he has been head boy, his qualities. he does not court- publicity. he has been head boy, he has come _ publicity. he has been head boy, he has come from _ publicity. he has been head boy, he has come from quite _ publicity. he has been head boy, he has come from quite a _ publicity. he has been head boy, he has come from quite a lowly- has come from quite a lowly position. _ has come from quite a lowly position. he— has come from quite a lowly position, he has— has come from quite a lowly position, he has been- has come from quite a lowly position, he has been to i has come from quite a lowly- position, he has been to goldman sachs. _ position, he has been to goldman sachs. to — position, he has been to goldman sachs, to america, _ position, he has been to goldman sachs, to america, to _ position, he has been to goldman sachs, to america, to oxford, i position, he has been to goldman sachs, to america, to oxford, he| sachs, to america, to oxford, he understands _ sachs, to america, to oxford, he understands economics - sachs, to america, to oxford, he understands economics at - sachs, to america, to oxford, he understands economics at the i sachs, to america, to oxford, he i understands economics at the high degree. _ understands economics at the high degree. and — understands economics at the high degree. and this _ understands economics at the high degree, and this underhanded i understands economics at the high degree, and this underhanded that understands economics at the high i degree, and this underhanded that he is very— degree, and this underhanded that he is very wealthy— degree, and this underhanded that he is very wealthy etc, _ degree, and this underhanded that he is very wealthy etc, it _ degree, and this underhanded that he is very wealthy etc, it cuts _ degree, and this underhanded that he is very wealthy etc, it cuts both - is very wealthy etc, it cuts both ways, _ is very wealthy etc, it cuts both ways. he —

is very wealthy etc, it cuts both ways. he is _ is very wealthy etc, it cuts both ways. he is very— is very wealthy etc, it cuts both ways, he is very wealthy - is very wealthy etc, it cuts both ways, he is very wealthy but i is very wealthy etc, it cuts both. ways, he is very wealthy but that means _ ways, he is very wealthy but that means that — ways, he is very wealthy but that means that he _ ways, he is very wealthy but that means that he does _ ways, he is very wealthy but that means that he does not - ways, he is very wealthy but that means that he does not have i ways, he is very wealthy but that means that he does not have tol ways, he is very wealthy but that - means that he does not have to court any special— means that he does not have to court any special interest _ means that he does not have to court any special interest or _ means that he does not have to court any special interest or anybody - means that he does not have to court any special interest or anybody like . any special interest or anybody like that, _ any special interest or anybody like that, he _ any special interest or anybody like that, he can — any special interest or anybody like that, he camust— any special interest or anybody like that, he canjust do— any special interest or anybody like that, he canjust do what— any special interest or anybody like that, he canjust do what he - any special interest or anybody like that, he canjust do what he says . that, he canjust do what he says and get _ that, he canjust do what he says and get on — that, he canjust do what he says and get on with— that, he canjust do what he says and get on with the _ that, he canjust do what he says and get on with the job. - that, he canjust do what he says and get on with the job. as - that, he canjust do what he says and get on with the job. as a - and get on with the job. as a conservative, _ and get on with the job. as a conservative, i— and get on with the job. as a conservative, i was - and get on with the job. as a conservative, i was very- conservative, i was very disenchanted _ conservative, i was very disenchanted with - conservative, i was very disenchanted with boris| conservative, i was very- disenchanted with boris johnson. conservative, i was very— disenchanted with borisjohnson. i thought— disenchanted with borisjohnson. i thought he — disenchanted with borisjohnson. i thought he was _ disenchanted with borisjohnson. i thought he was the _ disenchanted with borisjohnson. i thought he was the sort _ disenchanted with borisjohnson. i thought he was the sort of- disenchanted with borisjohnson. i thought he was the sort of guy - disenchanted with borisjohnson. ii thought he was the sort of guy who would _ thought he was the sort of guy who would go _ thought he was the sort of guy who would go from _ thought he was the sort of guy who would go from one _ thought he was the sort of guy who would go from one pressure - thought he was the sort of guy who would go from one pressure group| thought he was the sort of guy who l would go from one pressure group to the other— would go from one pressure group to the otheriust — would go from one pressure group to the otheriust to— would go from one pressure group to the otherjust to get _ would go from one pressure group to the otherjust to get voted _ would go from one pressure group to the otherjust to get voted in - would go from one pressure group to the otherjust to get voted in etc, - the otherjust to get voted in etc, whereas— the otherjust to get voted in etc, whereas rishi _ the otherjust to get voted in etc, whereas rishi is _ the otherjust to get voted in etc, whereas rishi is standing - the otherjust to get voted in etc, whereas rishi is standing up - the otherjust to get voted in etc, whereas rishi is standing up to. the otherjust to get voted in etc, i whereas rishi is standing up to the wage _ whereas rishi is standing up to the wage demands _ whereas rishi is standing up to the wage demands and _ whereas rishi is standing up to the wage demands and things - whereas rishi is standing up to the wage demands and things like - whereas rishi is standing up to the wage demands and things like this| wage demands and things like this that are _ wage demands and things like this that are hot — wage demands and things like this that are not popular, _ wage demands and things like this that are not popular, and - wage demands and things like this that are not popular, and what - wage demands and things like this that are not popular, and what i i that are not popular, and what i find interesting _ that are not popular, and what i find interesting is _ that are not popular, and what i find interesting is we _ that are not popular, and what i find interesting is we have - that are not popular, and what ii find interesting is we have ended that are not popular, and what i - find interesting is we have ended up with rishi _ find interesting is we have ended up with rishi sunak— find interesting is we have ended up with rishi sunak and _ find interesting is we have ended up with rishi sunak and jeremy - find interesting is we have ended up with rishi sunak and jeremy hunt, i find interesting is we have ended up i with rishi sunak and jeremy hunt, we have the _ with rishi sunak and jeremy hunt, we have the highest— with rishi sunak and jeremy hunt, we have the highest tax _ with rishi sunak and jeremy hunt, we have the highest tax take _ with rishi sunak and jeremy hunt, we have the highest tax take of _ have the highest tax take of any government— have the highest tax take of any government ever, _ have the highest tax take of any government ever, so _ have the highest tax take of any government ever, so we - have the highest tax take of any government ever, so we have i have the highest tax take of any government ever, so we have a| have the highest tax take of any - government ever, so we have a high tax, government ever, so we have a high tax. high _ government ever, so we have a high tax. high spend _ government ever, so we have a high tax, high spend government - government ever, so we have a high tax, high spend government- tax, high spend government gordon hunt, did tax, high spend government gordon hunt. did you _ tax, high spend government gordon hunt. did you say — tax, high spend government gordon hunt, did you say gordon _ tax, high spend government gordon hunt, did you say gordon hunt? - tax, high spend government gordon hunt, did you say gordon hunt? it l hunt, did you say gordon hunt? it sounds like a very interesting ai hybrid between gordon brown and jeremy hunt! i was thinking, gordon hunt, what position does he play? i

will not list the mistakes i make! what i'm saying is we have ended up with a _ what i'm saying is we have ended up with a high— what i'm saying is we have ended up with a high tax. _ what i'm saying is we have ended up with a high tax, high _ what i'm saying is we have ended up with a high tax, high spend - with a high tax, high spend conservative _ with a high tax, high spend conservative government l with a high tax, high spend | conservative government at with a high tax, high spend - conservative government at the labour — conservative government at the labour government— conservative government at the labour government are - conservative government at the labour government are ahead l conservative government at the| labour government are ahead in conservative government at the - labour government are ahead in the polls so— labour government are ahead in the polls so i_ labour government are ahead in the polls so i don't— labour government are ahead in the polls so i don't know— labour government are ahead in the polls so i don't know what _ labour government are ahead in the polls so i don't know what people i polls so i don't know what people expect _ polls so i don't know what people expect if— polls so i don't know what people expect if they _ polls so i don't know what people expect if they vote _ polls so i don't know what people expect if they vote labour- polls so i don't know what people expect if they vote labour in, - polls so i don't know what people expect if they vote labour in, we| expect if they vote labour in, we will end — expect if they vote labour in, we will end up— expect if they vote labour in, we will end up with _ expect if they vote labour in, we will end up with a _ expect if they vote labour in, we will end up with a high _ expect if they vote labour in, we will end up with a high tax, - expect if they vote labour in, we will end up with a high tax, high| will end up with a high tax, high spehd _ will end up with a high tax, high spend on— will end up with a high tax, high spend on a _ will end up with a high tax, high spend on a labour— will end up with a high tax, high spend on a labour governmenti will end up with a high tax, high - spend on a labour government with a different— spend on a labour government with a different theme, _ spend on a labour government with a different theme, but _ spend on a labour government with a different theme, but i _ spend on a labour government with a different theme, but i don't - spend on a labour government with a different theme, but i don't think- different theme, but i don't think the team — different theme, but i don't think the team is— different theme, but i don't think the team is going _ different theme, but i don't think the team is going to— different theme, but i don't think the team is going to be _ different theme, but i don't think the team is going to be the - the team is going to be the equivalent— the team is going to be the equivalent of— the team is going to be the equivalent of rishi - the team is going to be the equivalent of rishi sunak. the team is going to be the . equivalent of rishi sunak and the team is going to be the - equivalent of rishi sunak and jeremy hunt, _ equivalent of rishi sunak and jeremy hunt, i_ equivalent of rishi sunak and jeremy hunt, idoh't— equivalent of rishi sunak and jeremy hunt, i don't think— equivalent of rishi sunak and jeremy hunt, i don't think we're _ equivalent of rishi sunak and jeremy hunt, i don't think we're going - equivalent of rishi sunak and jeremy hunt, i don't think we're going to- hunt, i don't think we're going to -et hunt, idon't think we're going to get that— hunt, idon't think we're going to get that so— hunt, i don't think we're going to get that so from _ hunt, i don't think we're going to get that so from a _ hunt, i don't think we're going to get that so from a conservative, i get that so from a conservative, small— get that so from a conservative, small c— get that so from a conservative, small c perspective, _ get that so from a conservative, small c perspective, i— get that so from a conservative, small c perspective, i don't- get that so from a conservative, i small c perspective, i don't think we have — small c perspective, i don't think we have a — small c perspective, i don't think we have a lot _ small c perspective, i don't think we have a lot of _ small c perspective, i don't think we have a lot of problems - we have a lot of problems back the next election — we have a lot of problems back the next election is _ we have a lot of problems back the next election is going _ we have a lot of problems back the next election is going to _ we have a lot of problems back the next election is going to be - we have a lot of problems back the next election is going to be about i next election is going to be about which _ next election is going to be about which team — next election is going to be about which team to _ next election is going to be about which team to be _ next election is going to be about which team to be one _ next election is going to be about which team to be one and - next election is going to be about which team to be one and the - next election is going to be about - which team to be one and the country is going _ which team to be one and the country is going to _ which team to be one and the country is going to have — which team to be one and the country is going to have to _ which team to be one and the country is going to have to look _ which team to be one and the country is going to have to look at _ which team to be one and the country is going to have to look at it - which team to be one and the country is going to have to look at it and - is going to have to look at it and lo, is going to have to look at it and go. we — is going to have to look at it and go. we are — is going to have to look at it and go. we are going _ is going to have to look at it and go, we are going to— is going to have to look at it and go, we are going to go- is going to have to look at it and go, we are going to go with - is going to have to look at it and - go, we are going to go with someone who is— go, we are going to go with someone who is untried. — go, we are going to go with someone who is untried. a _ go, we are going to go with someone who is untried, a labour— go, we are going to go with someone who is untried, a labour government| who is untried, a labour government that may— who is untried, a labour government that may be — who is untried, a labour government that may be fractious _ who is untried, a labour government that may be fractious underneath - who is untried, a labour government| that may be fractious underneath the surface, _ that may be fractious underneath the surface, we _ that may be fractious underneath the surface, we don't _ that may be fractious underneath the surface, we don't know, _ that may be fractious underneath the surface, we don't know, or— that may be fractious underneath the surface, we don't know, or we - that may be fractious underneath the surface, we don't know, or we are i surface, we don't know, or we are going _ surface, we don't know, or we are going to _ surface, we don't know, or we are going to have _ surface, we don't know, or we are going to have to _ surface, we don't know, or we are going to have to go _ surface, we don't know, or we are going to have to go with _ surface, we don't know, or we are going to have to go with rishi - surface, we don't know, or we are . going to have to go with rishi sunak and jeremy— going to have to go with rishi sunak and jeremy hunt— going to have to go with rishi sunak and jeremy hunt which, _ going to have to go with rishi sunak and jeremy hunt which, as - going to have to go with rishi sunak and jeremy hunt which, as far- going to have to go with rishi sunak and jeremy hunt which, as far as . going to have to go with rishi sunak and jeremy hunt which, as far as i l and jeremy hunt which, as far as i am concerned. _ and jeremy hunt which, as far as i am concerned. is _ and jeremy hunt which, as far as i am concerned, is probably-

and jeremy hunt which, as far as i am concerned, is probably the - and jeremy hunt which, as far as i i am concerned, is probably the best worst— am concerned, is probably the best worst optioh~ — am concerned, is probably the best worst optioh~ l— am concerned, is probably the best worst option-— worst option. i will introduce you to john in bicester _ worst option. i will introduce you to john in bicester who _ worst option. i will introduce you to john in bicester who is - worst option. i will introduce you to john in bicester who is a - worst option. i will introduce you to john in bicester who is a paid l tojohn in bicester who is a paid tory party member, did you hear what he said? basically saying that they are the best option, argue the solution? i are the best option, argue the solution?— solution? i disagree with that statement. — solution? i disagree with that statement, to _ solution? i disagree with that statement, to be _ solution? i disagree with that statement, to be honest. - solution? i disagree with that i statement, to be honest. the solution? i disagree with that - statement, to be honest. the reason for that— statement, to be honest. the reason for that is— statement, to be honest. the reason for that is because we are simply, we disagree with you whole policies of the _ we disagree with you whole policies of the current government, and for inflation. _ of the current government, and for inflation, which is not, let's be honest. — inflation, which is not, let's be honest. i— inflation, which is not, let's be honest, i think, inflation, which is not, let's be honest, ithink, i paya huge inflation, which is not, let's be honest, ithink, i pay a huge amount towards _ honest, ithink, i pay a huge amount towards it— honest, ithink, i pay a huge amount towards it each month, and why should — towards it each month, and why should i— towards it each month, and why should i be _ towards it each month, and why should i be the one bringing ihflatioh _ should i be the one bringing inflation down when the whole

country — inflation down when the whole country should be contributing? tell me about your mortgage, for example. it has gone up by about £900 each month _ it has gone up by about £900 each month. like a market has gone up by nearly— month. like a market has gone up by nearly £1000 every month? —— it month. like a market has gone up by nearly £1000 every month? -- it has one u - ? nearly £1000 every month? -- it has gone op? correct- — nearly £1000 every month? -- it has gone up? correct. and _ nearly £1000 every month? -- it has gone up? correct. and i _ nearly £1000 every month? -- it has gone up? correct. and ijust- nearly £1000 every month? -- it has gone up? correct. and ijust come i gone up? correct. and i 'ust come in? i dont — gone up? correct. and i 'ust come in? i don't knowh gone up? correct. and i 'ust come in? i don't know if_ gone up? correct. and ijust come in? i don't know if people - gone up? correct. and ijust come in? i don't know if people expect i in? i don't know if people expect the in? idon't know if people expect the government— in? i don't know if people expect the government to _ in? i don't know if people expect the government to reduce - in? i don't know if people expect the government to reduce their. the government to reduce their mortgage — the government to reduce their mortgage to— the government to reduce their mortgage to areas _ the government to reduce their mortgage to areas where - the government to reduce their mortgage to areas where theyi the government to reduce their. mortgage to areas where they can afford _ mortgage to areas where they can afford to— mortgage to areas where they can afford to pay— mortgage to areas where they can afford to pay it. _ mortgage to areas where they can afford to pay it, very— mortgage to areas where they can afford to pay it, very low- mortgage to areas where they can afford to pay it, very low interesti afford to pay it, very low interest rates _ afford to pay it, very low interest rates for — afford to pay it, very low interest rates for a — afford to pay it, very low interest rates for a very— afford to pay it, very low interest rates for a very long _ afford to pay it, very low interest rates for a very long time, - afford to pay it, very low interest rates for a very long time, etc, . rates for a very long time, etc, etc, _ rates for a very long time, etc, etc. i_ rates for a very long time, etc, etc. i don't— rates for a very long time, etc, etc, i don't think _ rates for a very long time, etc, etc, i don't think the _ rates for a very long time, etc, . etc, i don't think the government are etc, idon't think the government are actually— etc, i don't think the government are actually as _ etc, i don't think the government are actually as powerful - etc, i don't think the government are actually as powerful as - etc, i don't think the government| are actually as powerful as people think— are actually as powerful as people think they— are actually as powerful as people think they are _ are actually as powerful as people think they are. we _ are actually as powerful as people think they are. we have _ are actually as powerful as people think they are. we have had - are actually as powerful as people think they are. we have had a - are actually as powerful as people i think they are. we have had a period of time _ think they are. we have had a period of time where — think they are. we have had a period of time where we _ think they are. we have had a period of time where we have _ think they are. we have had a period of time where we have had _ think they are. we have had a period of time where we have had an - of time where we have had an inflationary— of time where we have had an inflationary period _ of time where we have had an inflationary period and - of time where we have had an inflationary period and if - of time where we have had an inflationary period and if we . of time where we have had an - inflationary period and if we change the government— inflationary period and if we change the government what _ inflationary period and if we change the government what do _

inflationary period and if we change the government what do they - inflationary period and if we change the government what do they think| the government what do they think will happen. — the government what do they think will happen. that _ the government what do they think will happen, that mortgage - the government what do they think will happen, that mortgage rates l will happen, that mortgage rates will happen, that mortgage rates will go _ will happen, that mortgage rates will go down. _ will happen, that mortgage rates will go down, that _ will happen, that mortgage rates will go down, that inflation- will happen, that mortgage rates will go down, that inflation will. will happen, that mortgage ratesl will go down, that inflation will go down? _ will go down, that inflation will go down? if— will go down, that inflation will go down? . . will go down, that inflation will go down? , , . , , down? if liz truss was still prime minister, mark, _ down? if liz truss was still prime minister, mark, would _ down? if liz truss was still prime minister, mark, would you - down? if liz truss was still prime minister, mark, would you ratheri down? if liz truss was still prime i minister, mark, would you rather liz truss or keir starmer?— truss or keir starmer? would i have liz truss or — truss or keir starmer? would i have liz truss or keir _ truss or keir starmer? would i have liz truss or keir starmer? _ truss or keir starmer? would i have liz truss or keir starmer? that - truss or keir starmer? would i have liz truss or keir starmer? that is i truss or keir starmer? would i have liz truss or keir starmer? that is a l liz truss or keir starmer? that is a very— liz truss or keir starmer? that is a very difficult — liz truss or keir starmer? that is a very difficult question. _ liz truss or keir starmer? that is a very difficult question. i— liz truss or keir starmer? that is a very difficult question. i totally- very difficult question. i totally know. — very difficult question. i totally know. nicky. _ very difficult question. i totally know, nicky, to— very difficult question. i totally know, nicky, to be _ very difficult question. i totally know, nicky, to be honest. i. very difficult question. i totally. know, nicky, to be honest. i don't know, nicky, to be honest. idon't really— know, nicky, to be honest. i don't really know — know, nicky, to be honest. i don't really know at _ know, nicky, to be honest. i don't really know. at the _ know, nicky, to be honest. i don't really know. at the minute, - know, nicky, to be honest. i don't really know. at the minute, we i really know. at the minute, we haven't— really know. at the minute, we haven't got— really know. at the minute, we haven't got li2— really know. at the minute, we haven't got liz truss. - really know. at the minute, we haven't got liz truss. we - really know. at the minute, we haven't got liz truss. we have| really know. at the minute, we i haven't got liz truss. we have got somebody— haven't got liz truss. we have got somebody who _ haven't got liz truss. we have got somebody who i _ haven't got liz truss. we have got somebody who i think— haven't got liz truss. we have got somebody who i think is _ haven't got liz truss. we have got somebody who i think is highly- somebody who i think is highly capable~ — somebody who i think is highly capable~ if— somebody who i think is highly capable. if you _ somebody who i think is highly capable. if you look _ somebody who i think is highly capable. if you look at - somebody who i think is highly capable. if you look at that i somebody who i think is highly. capable. if you look at that guy's cv, capable. if you look at that guy's cv. is— capable. if you look at that guy's cv. is probably— capable. if you look at that guy's cv, is probably the _ capable. if you look at that guy's cv, is probably the most - capable. if you look at that guy's i cv, is probably the most appropriate prime _ cv, is probably the most appropriate prime minister— cv, is probably the most appropriate prime minister we _ cv, is probably the most appropriate prime minister we have _ cv, is probably the most appropriate prime minister we have had, - cv, is probably the most appropriate prime minister we have had, could . cv, is probably the most appropriate | prime minister we have had, could be the best— prime minister we have had, could be the best of— prime minister we have had, could be the best of the — prime minister we have had, could be the best of the last _ prime minister we have had, could be the best of the last 50 _ prime minister we have had, could be the best of the last 50 years, - prime minister we have had, could be the best of the last 50 years, if - prime minister we have had, could be the best of the last 50 years, if we i the best of the last 50 years, if we -ive the best of the last 50 years, if we give him _ the best of the last 50 years, if we give him a — the best of the last 50 years, if we give him a chance, _ the best of the last 50 years, if we give him a chance, because - the best of the last 50 years, if we give him a chance, because he i the best of the last 50 years, if we give him a chance, because he is l give him a chance, because he is very— give him a chance, because he is very highly— give him a chance, because he is very highly qualified, _ give him a chance, because he is very highly qualified, and - give him a chance, because he is very highly qualified, and he i give him a chance, because he is very highly qualified, and he is. very highly qualified, and he is doing — very highly qualified, and he is doing what— very highly qualified, and he is doing what he _ very highly qualified, and he is doing what he said _ very highly qualified, and he is doing what he said he - very highly qualified, and he is doing what he said he was i very highly qualified, and he is. doing what he said he was going very highly qualified, and he is- doing what he said he was going to do, doing what he said he was going to do. he _ doing what he said he was going to do. he is _ doing what he said he was going to do. he is not — doing what he said he was going to do, he is not charismatic, - doing what he said he was going to do, he is not charismatic, he - doing what he said he was going to do, he is not charismatic, he is i do, he is not charismatic, he is not like boris _ do, he is not charismatic, he is not like borisjohnson, _ do, he is not charismatic, he is not like borisjohnson, if— do, he is not charismatic, he is not like borisjohnson, if boris - do, he is not charismatic, he is not like borisjohnson, if borisjohnson was still— like borisjohnson, if borisjohnson was still in — like borisjohnson, if borisjohnson was still in he _ like borisjohnson, if borisjohnson was still in he would _ like borisjohnson, if borisjohnson was still in he would properly- like borisjohnson, if borisjohnson was still in he would properly have | was still in he would properly have agreed _ was still in he would properly have agreed wages _ was still in he would properly have agreed wages with _ was still in he would properly have agreed wages with the _ was still in he would properly have agreed wages with the doctors, i agreed wages with the doctors, nurses. — agreed wages with the doctors, nurses, because _ agreed wages with the doctors, nurses, because this _ agreed wages with the doctors, nurses, because this is- agreed wages with the doctors, nurses, because this is what i agreed wages with the doctors, l nurses, because this is what will -et nurses, because this is what will get them — nurses, because this is what will get them voted _ nurses, because this is what will get them voted in, _ nurses, because this is what will get them voted in, this- nurses, because this is what will get them voted in, this is- nurses, because this is what will get them voted in, this is what. nurses, because this is what will. get them voted in, this is what we -et get them voted in, this is what we get people — get them voted in, this is what we get people voted _ get them voted in, this is what we get people voted in— get them voted in, this is what we

get people voted in because - get them voted in, this is what we. get people voted in because people do not _ get people voted in because people do not like — get people voted in because people do not like that, _ get people voted in because people do not like that, but— get people voted in because people do not like that, but rishi - get people voted in because people do not like that, but rishi sunak. get people voted in because people do not like that, but rishi sunak i. do not like that, but rishi sunak i said im _ do not like that, but rishi sunak i said im not — do not like that, but rishi sunak i said i'm not doing _ do not like that, but rishi sunak i said i'm not doing that _ do not like that, but rishi sunak i said i'm not doing that because . do not like that, but rishi sunak i said i'm not doing that because iti said i'm not doing that because it is not _ said i'm not doing that because it is not in — said i'm not doing that because it is not in the — said i'm not doing that because it is not in the country— said i'm not doing that because it is not in the country stop - said i'm not doing that because it is not in the country stop we i said i'm not doing that because iti is not in the country stop we know that the _ is not in the country stop we know that the doctors _ is not in the country stop we know that the doctors and _ is not in the country stop we know that the doctors and nurses - is not in the country stop we know that the doctors and nurses and i that the doctors and nurses and teachers — that the doctors and nurses and teachers deserve _ that the doctors and nurses and teachers deserve more - that the doctors and nurses and teachers deserve more money. that the doctors and nurses and i teachers deserve more money but that the doctors and nurses and - teachers deserve more money but we haven't _ teachers deserve more money but we haven't got— teachers deserve more money but we haven't got any— teachers deserve more money but we haven't got any more _ teachers deserve more money but we haven't got any more money. - teachers deserve more money but we haven't got any more money. this i teachers deserve more money but we haven't got any more money. this is. haven't got any more money. this is what _ haven't got any more money. this is what i _ haven't got any more money. this is what i don't — haven't got any more money. this is what i don't understand. _ haven't got any more money. this is what i don't understand. i— haven't got any more money. this is what i don't understand. i listen i haven't got any more money. this is what i don't understand. i listen to. what i don't understand. i listen to radio— what i don't understand. i listen to radio station — what i don't understand. i listen to radio station like _ what i don't understand. i listen to radio station like yours _ what i don't understand. i listen to radio station like yours every- what i don't understand. i listen to radio station like yours every day, i radio station like yours every day, and yes. — radio station like yours every day, and yes. you _ radio station like yours every day, and yes, you nurses— radio station like yours every day, and yes, you nurses and - radio station like yours every day, and yes, you nurses and teachers| radio station like yours every day, i and yes, you nurses and teachers and doctors _ and yes, you nurses and teachers and doctors deserve — and yes, you nurses and teachers and doctors deserve more _ and yes, you nurses and teachers and doctors deserve more money, - and yes, you nurses and teachers and doctors deserve more money, but i and yes, you nurses and teachers and doctors deserve more money, but wei doctors deserve more money, but we haven't— doctors deserve more money, but we haven't got— doctors deserve more money, but we haven't got any— doctors deserve more money, but we haven't got any more _ doctors deserve more money, but we haven't got any more money, - doctors deserve more money, but we haven't got any more money, so i doctors deserve more money, but we haven't got any more money, so if. doctors deserve more money, but we| haven't got any more money, so if we pay them. _ haven't got any more money, so if we pay them. where _ haven't got any more money, so if we pay them. where is _ haven't got any more money, so if we pay them, where is it— haven't got any more money, so if we pay them, where is it going _ haven't got any more money, so if we pay them, where is it going to- haven't got any more money, so if we pay them, where is it going to come i pay them, where is it going to come from? _ pay them, where is it going to come from? it— pay them, where is it going to come from? . . pay them, where is it going to come from? , . . , , pay them, where is it going to come from? ,. ., . from? it is a massive economic debate which _ from? it is a massive economic debate which we _ from? it is a massive economic debate which we will _ from? it is a massive economic debate which we will set - from? it is a massive economic debate which we will set aside | from? it is a massive economic i debate which we will set aside for a minute. jason, hello, good morning. good morning. minute. jason, hello, good morning. good morning-— good morning. mark is a rishi sunak man, good morning. mark is a rishi sunak man. through _ good morning. mark is a rishi sunak man, through and _ good morning. mark is a rishi sunak man, through and through, - good morning. mark is a rishi sunak man, through and through, are i good morning. mark is a rishi sunaki man, through and through, are you? good for mark, he lost me when he said rishi sunak could be the best prime minister of the last 50 years. i had tojust prime minister of the last 50 years. i had to just pause there and think, what have ijust heard? rishi sunak is as a conservative party member,

who was a local conservative councillor, up until last year, and who has always voted conservative, i just cannot believe that statement, because if you look at rishi sunak and the direction of this government, it is emblematic of the malaise in the conservative party at the moment, which is that it is run by high—minded metropolitan technocrats, who have no connectivity in terms of the conveyance of policy messaging and an understanding of what life is like on the ground in this country at the moment, and the dissatisfaction that we have with this kind of high—minded, liberal, metropolitan, inward —looking conservative party. i don't want to use the term back to basics but we do need to get back to core principles, the fundamentals of being a conservative, which is a low tax, entrepreneurial economy, the nation state that is independent of

the supranational body like the european union and other vestiges of power that remove our ability to govern our own affairs including the echr and tackle the issues affecting ordinary people and i'm talking about the boats, we have to stop them, i know that everybody says that what they can party had a real pump in morale when suella braverman was talking about migration issues and i think if we had more of that over the passage of the next year, the conservative party could stand a chance. d0 the conservative party could stand a chance. ,, the conservative party could stand a chance. , ., ,, the conservative party could stand a chance. ,, ,, , the conservative party could stand a chance. ,, ~' , ., chance. do you think they would stand a chance _ chance. do you think they would stand a chance if _ chance. do you think they would stand a chance if liz _ chance. do you think they would stand a chance if liz truss i chance. do you think they would . stand a chance if liz truss had been given a chance talking about our growth agenda railing against the anti—growth coalition, which is a curious concept involving conservatives along with the climate protesters as well, but anyway, do you think if she had been given a chance the tories would have more of a chance at the election coming up? if her policies had been given a chance by somebody else who is slightly obvious are then yes it would have been a much better

situation. —— who is openly of this earth. and i work quite closely with liz truss and she is uniquely unsuited to high public office in my opinion despite the fact that her policy platform is very much a king to mine. if we could find another doctor mark said and your man simon from winchester, talking about rishi sunak being the most academically and intellectually capable leader... we don't need that. we don't need an intellectual governing the country. you have experts and thinkers in the background. zeal! you have experts and thinkers in the background-— you have experts and thinkers in the backuround. ., ., . background. you want someone clever. yes, some intelligent _ background. you want someone clever. yes, some intelligent and _ background. you want someone clever. yes, some intelligent and intuitive - yes, some intelligent and intuitive but not necessarily somebody who has their head in the clouds. not what we need. ., . ., , we need. head in the clouds? viewers of bbc two and _ we need. head in the clouds? viewers of bbc two and bbc _ we need. head in the clouds? viewers of bbc two and bbc news, _ we need. head in the clouds? viewers

of bbc two and bbc news, leave - we need. head in the clouds? viewers of bbc two and bbc news, leave us i of bbc two and bbc news, leave us now,... live from london. this is bbc news. the british prime ministerfaces pressure over the future of the hs2 railine as businesses and politicians in the north of england demand an answer. all i can say is i am not going to be forced into a premature decision will stop

the second part of the uk's covid inquiry begins today, with decisions made by the former prime minister borisjohnson coming under scrutiny. there's courtroom drama with former us president donald trump, who dismisses a civil case against him as a political witch hunt. and, the un says that there could be as little as 50 ethnic armenians left in nagorno—karabakh. hello and welcome to bbc news. we start at the conservative party conference in manchester — where the future of europes biggest infrastructure project — the high speed two rail link between england's major cities — is dominating the headlines. the big question — will the link, known as hs2, which is already being constructed from london to birmingham,

stop there? costs have risen, and the government is thought to be