we're proud of the leadership he has shown and the manner in which he is working with everybody in this chamber. it absolutely is a civil war. you have two factions - in the republican party that couldn't be further away from one another. - i think they have been on a collision course l for quite some time. will the us house speaker kevin mccarthy still be speaker by the end of the night? the hard right think they have the votes to oust him today and are sitting on the house floor in anticipation. we will get the thoughts tonight of our panel, from miami, legal analyst and commentator, kelly hyman and from manchester, director of the centre right thinktank onward, adam hawksbee. what is the british government going to do if it ditches the northern leg of the uks

high speed railway? we may find out when the prime minister addresses the party conference in manchester tomorrow. today it was all about immigration and the home secretary's choice of language. some love it, some hate it. is the conservative party immitating some of the worst traits in america? we will get into that later in the programme. before all that we want to start with the breaking news coming out of italy. at least 20 people including two children have been killed in a bus crash after a bus plunged off a bridge that was straddling a railway line in venice. it's estimated a0 people have been injured. these are the first photos coming to us online. you can see there in the darkness the bus destroyed under the flyover. in the rescue teams out in the light trying to pick their way through the damage. this is in the

borough, the bus caught fire after careening off the bridge. this is a bridge that links to districts if you know venice at all. the mayor has been speaking tonight, he says a tragedy has struck our community. these are life pictures just coming into us now. he described the site of the crash as an apocalyptic scene, telling prime minister also expressing profound condolences. in a statement she is issued she says she is in contact with the mayor and emergency services. the deputy prime minister also commenting tonight on these pictures that we're seeing. what you see in your pictures there is the police and emergency services just looking through the crash site and how the boss might�*ve careened off the bridge. the evidence numbers

being put out —— boss. from what we understand those people injured in that bus crash are still being extracted from the wreckage. serious situation tonight in venice. we will bring you more on that as and when we get it. let's return to matters in washington. in order of presedence the speaker of the us house of respresentatives, is the fourth most senior figure in the country, and not since 1910 has a member of the house filed a motion to oust the speaker. but make no mistake, kevin mccarthy is hanging by a thread tonight. he can't survive with republican votes alone. there are at least ten now on the hard right who want him out. ahead of tonights votes democrats had to decide whether they would rescue mccarthy but then why would they. but then why would they? this after, all is the man who opened an impeachment inquiry into president biden, without a vote on the house floor. last week he was blaming democrats for the impending government shutdown, when really it was down to the split in his own caucus.

in the last hour the democrat minority leader hakeenjeffries posted this on social media... in the last hour the house has been voting on a procedural issue, on whether the motion to oust him can advance. a vote he lost. look, i want to win the votes so we can finish the job for the american people. there are some people that have done this from the day we've come in. i want to be conservative that shows how to govern. i think that's important to the country, the party and most important, to get this job done. you can't govern if you can't control your own caucus. it's far from clear that gaetz has the votes to depose mccarthy in this motion to vacate,

but then he has warned the speaker he will file this motion as many times as is needed. next week, one of two things will happen, kevin mccarthy will be next week, one of two things will happen, kevin mccarthy won't be the speaker of the house or he'll be the speaker of the house working at the pleasure of the democrats. i'm at peace with either result because the american people deserve to know who governs them. live now to our state department correspondent barbara plett usher. i guess the divisions within the republican party slightly summed up by the fact that matt gaetz was forced to speak from the democratic side of the house because kevin mccarthy supporters were blocking the microphone. that is about the limit of it at the moment. and he didn't aet limit of it at the moment. and he didn't get any _ limit of it at the moment. and he didn't get any democrats - limit of it at the moment. and he didn't get any democrats to - limit of it at the moment. and he | didn't get any democrats to come limit of it at the moment. and he . didn't get any democrats to come up and speak on his behalf even though all the democrats voted along with his motion to continue with this process of removing the speaker of the house. in fact, it's interesting, there were 11 republicans who voted against mr mccarthy, against the first boat

which was whether to table or shelve this whole process. 0nly which was whether to table or shelve this whole process. only three spoke. it's one to cast a vote another to stand up in the house and take on your speakers so clearly and openly. it was basically matt gaetz who did most of the speaking responding to the other side, which was also republican. you saw there were people had run out of patience, perhaps they had long ago but started to express it. occasionally there were groans in even guffaws from some of the republicans went matt gaetz was speaking. it's a very angry statements in support of mr mccarthy put up on speaker said this is all about drama, suggesting that matt gaetz was grandstanding. and when one of mr mark caties ally said he was proud of mr mccarthy for moving to avoid a government shutdown he got a standing ovation from quite a few republicans. it's quite clear where loyalties lie. there are such narrow numbers, the

majority is so narrow it can take just a few republicans to take down mr mccarthy. they have started voting now on exactly that. on whether to remove him from the post of speaker. it is in alphabetical roll call so everybody has to put their name publicly on the line. don't go anywhere. we will come to you for the result of that. we will come to you for the result of that. live now to political reporter for the washington post — leigh ann caldwell. the psychodrama continues tonight. what is this doing to the republican caucus? . �* , . what is this doing to the republican caucus? ., �*, ., ., what is this doing to the republican caucus? . �* , . . what is this doing to the republican caucus? . h . . ., . caucus? that's a great way to frame that question- _ caucus? that's a great way to frame that question. the _ caucus? that's a great way to frame that question. the republican - that question. the republican conference has been divided throughout this entire year, ever since it went through 15 rounds to elect kevin mccarthy as speaker of the house. to sum up the issues here, you have a far right faction of the party, around five, maybe a dozen or a bit more who doesn't really believe in governing. they

don't believe in funding government, they believe in small government. then you have the other end of the ideological spectrum among republicans who come from districts that president biden actually won. they are from districts with much more swinging voters are democratic voters and they have to govern an app voters and they have to govern an app to fund the government. those two tensions have been at odds throughout the entire year. it's really coming to a head now. and the reason it is is because with such a slim majority in the house kevin mccarthy can only lose four or five votes and that's why this is very likely going to be successful. if it's not kevin mccarthy, who is a? that's a great question. we don't know. we're told by some of our republican sources who say that if kevin mccarthy is deposed and removed from the speaker chair they are actually going to nominate him

again. and they are willing to go round after round until he has the votes to win. just like we saw in january at the beginning of the year. we will see if they follow through with that. there doesn't seem to be any sort of kinse senses candidate right now. but that's not what these hardliners care about, they don't like kevin mccarthy, they don't think he was conservative enough. they don't think he is principled enough for the it was kind of yellow, do it and see what happens next. kind of yellow, do it and see what happens next-— happens next. before i bring in the anel, happens next. before i bring in the panel. could _ happens next. before i bring in the panel, could this _ happens next. before i bring in the panel, could this backfire - happens next. before i bring in the panel, could this backfire on - happens next. before i bring in the panel, could this backfire on matt. panel, could this backfire on matt gates and lead to a form of a coalition government in the house? it caught. it's not our sediments set up. it's very difficult for that to happen —— system is set up. that is what of some of these moderate republicans want. that's what some moderate democrats want as well. that's what many democrats are saying, that kevin mccarthy or

whoever the speaker just saying, that kevin mccarthy or whoever the speakerjust needs to bring in democrats more and not placate the far right of the party. that is a lofty goal. in a 2—party system where coalition government doesn't really work. it's going to be really fascinating to see where this goes next. who the next speaker is and how they decide to govern. kelly, who would really want that job? and aa days' time a week before thanksgiving the house has to vote again on a spending plan. we've seen how difficult that is. it's part—time kevin mccarthy. how difficult that is. it's part-time kevin mccarthy. that's a aood part-time kevin mccarthy. that's a good point- — part-time kevin mccarthy. that's a good point- we _ part-time kevin mccarthy. that's a good point. we have _ part-time kevin mccarthy. that's a good point. we have to _ part-time kevin mccarthy. that's a| good point. we have to remember, part-time kevin mccarthy. that's a i good point. we have to remember, in the us— good point. we have to remember, in the us system that it is important for them — the us system that it is important for them to get the job done. that's why we _ for them to get the job done. that's why we elect these people in office. but based _ why we elect these people in office. but based on what's going on it appears — but based on what's going on it appears that mccarthy is going to lose as _ appears that mccarthy is going to lose as speaker of the house. it's also important to remember in the us

the speaker— also important to remember in the us the speaker of the house doesn't have _ the speaker of the house doesn't have to _ the speaker of the house doesn't have to he — the speaker of the house doesn't have to be a republican. it can potentially be a democrat. i don't think— potentially be a democrat. i don't think that's going to happen but the republican party is divided. it needs— republican party is divided. it needs a — republican party is divided. it needs a marriage council and basically— needs a marriage council and basically the marriage counsellor will tell— basically the marriage counsellor will tell them probably that it's time _ will tell them probably that it's time to— will tell them probably that it's time to get a divorce. maybe that ultimately will happen, the far—right party will create some other— far—right party will create some other party for itself. just far-right party will create some other party for itself.— far-right party will create some other party for itself. just a word on the democrats _ other party for itself. just a word on the democrats who _ other party for itself. just a word on the democrats who decided i other party for itself. just a word - on the democrats who decided today they were going to support kevin mccarthy and have set of the reasons why they wouldn't do that, there's not a lot of trust, let's face it. but at some point they may have to get involved in this. how important is it that they all seem to be responsible?— is it that they all seem to be resonsible? , , , ., . responsible? -- responsible for that when we look _ responsible? -- responsible for that when we look at _ responsible? -- responsible for that when we look at it _ responsible? -- responsible for that when we look at it we _ responsible? -- responsible for that when we look at it we have - responsible? -- responsible for that when we look at it we have to - when we look at it we have to remember about the vote that happened about the shutdown, every democrat _ happened about the shutdown, every democrat supported it and accept one that they— democrat supported it and accept one that they did not want a shutdown. and 70 _ that they did not want a shutdown. and 70 republicans voted for the

shutdown. the democrats want the american _ shutdown. the democrats want the american people not to have financial— american people not to have financial problems. and the shutdown would _ financial problems. and the shutdown would not _ financial problems. and the shutdown would not only hurt the us economy but would _ would not only hurt the us economy but would hurt the economy throughout the us. the democrats want to— throughout the us. the democrats want to work with the republicans and continue to try and do so. but this is a _ and continue to try and do so. but this is a creation that the republican party have created for themselves by matt gaetz getting on themselves by matt gaetz getting on the floor— themselves by matt gaetz getting on the floor and to oust the speaker of the floor and to oust the speaker of the house — the floor and to oust the speaker of the house. a, the floor and to oust the speaker of the house. , ., the floor and to oust the speaker of the house. a, . ., _, the house. okay. i want to compare and contrast — the house. okay. i want to compare and contrast what _ the house. okay. i want to compare and contrast what is _ the house. okay. i want to compare and contrast what is going - the house. okay. i want to compare and contrast what is going on - and contrast what is going on here on terror right in the uk. one of the reasons they struggled to pass a spending bill last week was republicans think too little is being allocated to the southern border, at least those on the hard right. this a theme that the home secretary suella braverman was picking up at the tory party conference in manchester today. the wind of change that carried my own parents across the globe in the 20th century was a mere gust compared

to the hurricane that is coming. because today the option of moving from a poorer country to a richer one is notjust a dream for billions of people, it is an entirely realistic prospect. we're far too squeamish about being smeared as racist she added to properly bring order to this chaos. well, in the midst of that speech a heckler was escorted out of the conference hall for challenging quotes "some of the nonsense the home secretary was telling conference". that heckler and those quotes from andrew boff the london assembly member, 50 years a conservative. here's how for cabinet secretary sir robert buckland responded to the speech. it's got to be very responsible about the language here. i think talking about hurricanes or weather extremes isn't helpful unless you explain the why. and we know what's happening

in the world with climate change, with war in the sub—saharan part of africa, we are seeing mass movements of population. there is no doubt about that. that poses a huge challenge to all of us in europe. but we need to talk about the why before we start using alarmist language. adam, do you see some similarities emerging here? obviously, were talking about the context of what is happening in washington tonight. there is no doubt the hard right have much bigger priorities than spending in ukraine, for instance, the focusing on the southern border, they don't like the fact that money is not been allocated to that problem. we're starting to see how thatis problem. we're starting to see how that is pushing the debate further to the right here in europe and particularly in the uk. n to the right here in europe and particularly in the uk.- to the right here in europe and particularly in the uk. i think it's common in _ particularly in the uk. i think it's common in both _ particularly in the uk. i think it's common in both cases _ particularly in the uk. i think it's common in both cases is - particularly in the uk. i think it's common in both cases is that i particularly in the uk. i think it's i common in both cases is that even though these voices might appear to be quite extreme or french, what they're doing is speaking to a concern which actually quite mainstream. if you look at the uk,

when we poll the public the top five concerns that they raise are pretty common, counselling, nhs, immigration is always there at numberfourfor the immigration is always there at number four for the general public and conservative voters. as long as more mainstream politicians are being seen to deal with it whether it's illegal migration, or legal migration was 6000 last year, then some of these calls from the right of the party, for both parties of the us and uk will a large audience. the president of mexico said tuesday that there are 10,000 people coming to the us border every day. do you think when you stand back from the shenanigans in the house of representatives that there is some of this that is at the root of what's going wrong in the republican party? i what's going wrong in the republican pa ? , . , , party? i believe that every country has a riaht party? i believe that every country has a right to _ party? i believe that every country has a right to protect _

party? i believe that every country has a right to protect their - has a right to protect their borders _ has a right to protect their borders. but there needs to be reasonable solutions. we have to look at _ reasonable solutions. we have to look at us— reasonable solutions. we have to look at us history and under what president— look at us history and under what president there was that aided other countries _ president there was that aided other countries that needed assistance. and that — countries that needed assistance. and that was under 0bama. that gave other countries aid in order to assist — other countries aid in order to assist them due to the financial issues — assist them due to the financial issues that they had in the country as well _ issues that they had in the country as well. there should be reasonable solutions— as well. there should be reasonable solutions whether you are republican or democrat that can come up with an idea to _ or democrat that can come up with an idea to resolve this situation. obviously, there were deep divisions on the ride. there are some that say there's something similar in this conservative party in manchester. a fairly lacklustre event. the former leader liz truss complaining yesterday that they are losing because her party is not conservative enough. we have had this. music.

the former home secretary pritti patel dancing with nigel farage last night to the tune of i can't take my eyes off you. someone we know who prefers the sanctuary of gb news, much like republicans will only speak to fox. i also want to welcome some more friends here tonight. our friends that are here, the newest, most successful, most dynamic, no nonsense news station and the defenders of free speech, that is my friends at gb news. thank you for everything that you do. applause. and there was a really interesting piece in the new statesman today, that there is this feel at the conference, of a party preparing for opposition, in danger said this article of being coopted by the hard right in the same way the republicans were split by the freedom caucus in america. is that comparison fair? i think there is a really big debate that will— i think there is a really big debate that will happen here on the right, centre _ that will happen here on the right, centre right if it is considered is

that lose — centre right if it is considered is that lose the next election. one of the really— that lose the next election. one of the really clear voices in that debate — the really clear voices in that debate will be some of the ones you've _ debate will be some of the ones you've heard, very loud on immigration, having low taxes as being _ immigration, having low taxes as being a _ immigration, having low taxes as being a priority. you see they conservatives when he previously lost elections moving toward some of those _ lost elections moving toward some of those voices. the really important thing _ those voices. the really important thing to— those voices. the really important thing to make sure that we don't end ”p thing to make sure that we don't end up with— thing to make sure that we don't end up with some of the polarisation we've _ up with some of the polarisation we've seen in the us is that there's a really— we've seen in the us is that there's a really strong voice from the centre — a really strong voice from the centre right of the party, the more one nation— centre right of the party, the more one nation wing, beckons assertive tradition _ one nation wing, beckons assertive tradition. that's a of course we need _ tradition. that's a of course we need to— tradition. that's a of course we need to control immigration, get taxes _ need to control immigration, get taxes in — need to control immigration, get taxes in my but we also need to tackle _ taxes in my but we also need to tackle inequality, get growth occurring, deal with some of the big regional— occurring, deal with some of the big regional inequalities that we have in the _ regional inequalities that we have in the uk — regional inequalities that we have in the uk. i think we can avoid going — in the uk. i think we can avoid going down the path of the republicans have gone down. i think we've _ republicans have gone down. i think we've got— republicans have gone down. i think we've got a — republicans have gone down. i think we've got a different media climate, different _ we've got a different media climate, different way of finding our political parties. at the risk as they— political parties. at the risk as they are _ political parties. at the risk as they are. conservative parties tend to have _ they are. conservative parties tend to have these debates before. i think— to have these debates before. i think it — to have these debates before. i think it can happen in a civil and constructive way. i think it can happen in a civil and constructive way. some would say the hard right

in america is in the grip of a terrible fantasy. of course it starts with trump, and the lies he tells, but it is driven by fox news and newsmax and by trumps supporters. and there are signs of that kind of politics evolving here. and if you don't believe me, then here are two examples from the last 2a hours that the critics would point to. you said it's no wonder labour seems so relaxed about taxing meat. sir keir starmer doesn't eat it and ed miliband is clearly scarred by his encounter with a bacon sandwich. you didn't write that? i did actually write that. i think it's good to have a light moment in your speech as well. but the point is actually choosing a meat. the point is actually very serious. there are proposals out there for 15 minute communities, 15 minute cities. and i think people are worried that this is an infringement on their liberties, on their freedoms, on their ability to choose where they go, to access services, to access what they need, be that shops, etc., and all the rest of it.

that was the energy secretary claire coutinho trying to defend the claims she made on stage that labour is planning to introduce a meat tax. almost a direct lift from the conspiracy theory in america thatjoe biden wanted to remove your beef burger to save the planet. the other clip there was reaction to, transport secretary mark harpers claims that local councils are trying to dictate how often you go to the shops or ration who uses the roads. similar to republicans claiming that the radical left wants to control every aspect of your life. are there echoes here of what is happening in america? we're picking it up and eventually the splits start to take us to where we're tonight in the us congress. we're a divided country. but i think it's important to understand that we should agree and we can still be non—disagreeable with each other. diversity is what makes our country great in the us. and there can be compromises if parties work together to help the american people. and that's what the democratic party

does. it's fascinating that trump is most likely going to beat the republican party nominee where he was indicted twice for that and he's facing all types of allegations, he's been in beach twice, indicted four times and right now is going through a civil trial as well. —— impeached twice. hopefully biden will win in the next upcoming election and we can move forward during these times.— election and we can move forward during these times. adam, the reason i brina this during these times. adam, the reason i bring this up — during these times. adam, the reason i bring this up is _ during these times. adam, the reason i bring this up is because _ during these times. adam, the reason i bring this up is because you - during these times. adam, the reason i bring this up is because you start - i bring this up is because you start to see splits emerging on their right, at the story party conference in manchester where liz truss yesterday trying to get signatures to reject any budget in the spring that doesn't have tax cuts in it. that's why it sort of struck me today when you look at what's happening there in the house of

representatives and what's happening here at the party conference, there are very distant echoes. there is a danger, is there not that in opposition conservatives start to drift further to the right? i opposition conservatives start to drift further to the right?- drift further to the right? i think it's important — drift further to the right? i think it's important to _ drift further to the right? i think it's important to distinguish - it's important to distinguish between a couple of things. yes, there _ between a couple of things. yes, there is— between a couple of things. yes, there is a — between a couple of things. yes, there is a strand of the conservative party that emphasises freedom _ conservative party that emphasises freedom and low taxes, that's always been there. _ freedom and low taxes, that's always been there, using that it would be relationship between thatcher and reagan _ relationship between thatcher and reagan. these other kind of conspiracy theories that are similar. _ conspiracy theories that are similar, the energy secretary made a 'oke similar, the energy secretary made a joke in— similar, the energy secretary made a joke in her— similar, the energy secretary made a joke in her speech, the 15 minute stuff, _ joke in her speech, the 15 minute stuff, there's rhetoric there but there _ stuff, there's rhetoric there but there are — stuff, there's rhetoric there but there are no real policies coming out from — there are no real policies coming out from the government to block 15 babysitters. the out from the government to block 15 bab sitters. , , , babysitters. the prime ministers rhetoricjust— babysitters. the prime ministers rhetoricjust last _ babysitters. the prime ministers rhetoricjust last week _ babysitters. the prime ministers rhetoricjust last week when - babysitters. the prime ministers rhetoricjust last week when he i babysitters. the prime ministers. rhetoricjust last week when he was rhetoric just last week when he was talking about his green plants. he was pointing to things in the labour party that wasn't there. that's a similar tactics we see in the united states was up there is always been the bending of the truth in politics but these outright lies that are supposed to scare more and confuse the elector, that is something

different, isn't it? i the elector, that is something different, isn't it?— the elector, that is something different, isn't it? ithink so. i personally _ different, isn't it? ithink so. i personally witness _ different, isn't it? ithink so. i personally witness had - different, isn't it? ithink so. i personally witness had a - different, isn't it? ithink so. i personally witness had a long| different, isn't it? ithink so. i. personally witness had a long list of things— personally witness had a long list of things that was scrapped. i don't think— of things that was scrapped. i don't think they— of things that was scrapped. i don't think they were lies, i think they were _ think they were lies, i think they were exaggerating what were things in documents and organisations like the climate change committee. reasonable interpretational use for political _ reasonable interpretational use for political reasons. if you look at the us— political reasons. if you look at the us and uk political culture, in the us and uk political culture, in the us— the us and uk political culture, in the us using massive polarisation and denial— the us using massive polarisation and denial of basic truth. let's look— and denial of basic truth. let's look at — and denial of basic truth. let's look at the _ and denial of basic truth. let's look at the vaccine roll—out in both countries — look at the vaccine roll—out in both countries in— look at the vaccine roll—out in both countries. in the us you had massive swathes— countries. in the us you had massive swathes of— countries. in the us you had massive swathes of the republican party unwilling to engage with medical facts and adult vaccines for the hospitals — facts and adult vaccines for the hospitals that were part of the medical— hospitals that were part of the medical free unit movement. you don't _ medical free unit movement. you don't see — medical free unit movement. you don't see that sort of thing in the uk for— don't see that sort of thing in the uk for the — don't see that sort of thing in the uk for the ice to live in the us, there _ uk for the ice to live in the us, there are — uk for the ice to live in the us, there are huge affinities between there are huge affinities between the two _ there are huge affinities between the two countries but i don't want to over— the two countries but i don't want to over fit — the two countries but i don't want to over fit the political culture on ours~ _ to over fit the political culture on ours~ i_ to over fit the political culture on ours~ idon't— to over fit the political culture on ours. i don't believe we have the same _ ours. i don't believe we have the same level— ours. i don't believe we have the same level of conspiracy theories and i_ same level of conspiracy theories and i don't — same level of conspiracy theories and i don't think they're being perpetrated by members of the cabinet — perpetrated by members of the cabinet. . cabinet. important contacts. that's what we do- _ cabinet. important contacts. that's what we do. we _ cabinet. important contacts. that's what we do. we believe _ cabinet. important contacts. that's what we do. we believe that - cabinet. important contacts. that's what we do. we believe that they l cabinet. important contacts. that's i what we do. we believe that they are for the moment. want to show you the pictures i'm looking at in the studio that are coming to us all the

time from italy. a major incidents under way in venice tonight. these are emergency vehicles that have turned up at the scene of a bus crash. a bus that has careered of a fly in central venice this evening. we know there are 20 people dead. some fairly upsetting images that i have caught sight of, people being laid out under the bridge. it's fairly distressing scenes there. a0 people trapped in the bus who were seriously injured. the prime minister in communication tonight with the rescue services and the mayor of venice, who was talked about the quite awful scene there. you can see emergency services all the time tonight in venice where 20 people have been killed in that bus crash. elsewhere we're watching pictures live from washington. the

voting still ongoing. we will bring you the result of that vote to vacate the speakers chair as and when we get a result. they're going to let in alphabetical order so it should ta ke take us some time. let's turn to other issues being discussed in manchester, dominating the news. that is the prime ministers and pending decision on hs two. the bbc understands that he will win out small the proposed high—speed rail between manchester in the midlands will be scrapped for the rishi sunak is expected to set out a range of alternative projects in the north of england and wales, which is likely to argue will amount to better use of public money and deliver improvements more quickly. the word is he's decided to ask the northern thin leg to manchester but will reprieve the section from oak hill to houston insuring diligent arrives in the city. if you are confused by what is staying in what is being thrown overboard and let me quickly

recap for you. you should think of h52 recap for you. you should think of hs2 is a y shut network. originally supposed to link in the midlands. the railway being built between london and birmingham, i should say. that will stay. the line that was post be extended from the west midlands is phase two a, phase two b will take it from group to manchester and that was submitted to the east midlands with the extension to leeds was scrapped in november 2021 foot up before the conference of photographers snapped this document that was being carried into number ten. a cost estimate on just how pessimistic the government was put up 2.3 billion already sunk into stage ii from birmingham to manchester. by ditching it the treasury thinks they can save £3a billion. that is the money the prime minister will talk about tomorrow. this is what andy burnham thinks of

it. i this is what andy burnham thinks of it. ~' this is what andy burnham thinks of it. ~ �* , ., ., . it. i think it's never too late. i think there's _ it. i think it's never too late. i think there's always _ it. i think it's never too late. i think there's always time for. it. i think it's never too late. i | think there's always time for a prime minister to listen and change course. he is not made that speech yet. i don't personally believe it is right for a prime minister to make a decision of this magnitude for the north of england without speaking to elected representatives in the north of england, he hasn't done that yet. that's why i would ask him to reach out to hear our voice before that decision is made. we won't accept that decision until it is finally an ounce for that we don't believe it has legitimacy. conservative manifesto after conservative manifesto premises things you ours. george osborne came here a decade ago and promised us then hs2 for the barjohnson came here and stood in front of stevenson as rocket and promised us the same thing. —— borisjohnson. this was elected on that manifesto general

election. he's got no legitimacy in taking this decision and certainly not without talking to us. we say to him to reflect on all of that and to give us this chance to put our case to him. no, iwill give us this chance to put our case to him. no, i will be convinced by this idea that it can all be sent everywhere and everybody can then celebrate that investment. if you pull the plug on hs2 you are pulling the plug on a new life of the north and the next 20 years with in mind, that's with the north of england needs, anyone who travels across the pennines knows that the north needs a new railway line. it needs additional capacity. you cannot get those journey times right without massively increasing the capacity across the north of england. in our view that can only be done by a new line. if he makes the announcement that we're hearing is going to make he will be pulling the plug on that new lines of the north of england. that will affect communities in every part of the north, notjust in

manchester. every part of the north, not 'ust in manchester.— every part of the north, not 'ust in manchester. . , �* . . , manchester. andy burnham angry as are many of— manchester. andy burnham angry as are many of those _ manchester. andy burnham angry as are many of those invested - manchester. andy burnham angry as are many of those invested in - manchester. andy burnham angry as are many of those invested in the i are many of those invested in the northern powerhouse. adam, as a northerner who travelled on northern rail for so long northerner who travelled on northern railfor so long i can pick up a decision that would board reinforce the fact that there are better things in the south than there are in the north if you're just going to have a slow line from birmingham to manchester. it sort of underlies a problem and it completely undermines look, my previousjob look, my previous job as look, my previousjob as head of policy to andy street, the mayor of the blessed midlands, and i spent a lot of time notjob advocating for the importance of hs two, highlighting the investments that have been brought to the city, but that wasn't because it was a high—speed link from birmingham to london, but it's placed birmingham at the centre and a fast north to south network, because this wasn't about to speed, about more capacity and more reliability and we haven't had the speech tomorrow, although it's been heavily briefed that that decision has already been made, but the thing i will be looking for in any announcement about new east—west

connectivity, those northern lines, is how you do that without hs2. the map you showed, the bit of red there between manchester and some of those other northern cities came about hs2 by manchester airport. so, other northern cities came about hs2 by manchesterairport. so, i other northern cities came about hs2 by manchester airport. so, i will be listening very carefully to the speech tomorrow, but i am concerned that those plans want to deliver the benefits they should. {lilia that those plans want to deliver the benefits they should.— benefits they should. ok, we will watch the speech _ benefits they should. ok, we will watch the speech with _ benefits they should. ok, we will watch the speech with great i benefits they should. ok, we will. watch the speech with great interest tomorrow. the prime minister do to make that announcement among other things which we may well talk about in the rest of the programme. hello. it's been a day of sunny spells, but also 1—2 sharp showers. here's the satellite picture from earlier on — and you can see a lot of bright weather. and there, just on the edge of the screen, that's the weather front that swept across the country last night and brought the thunder and lightning. now tonight, another weather front is approaching —

this time, it'll reach the north of northern ireland, and will also