is just that a lot of people isjust that a lot of people are it is just that a lot of people are fed up with the current government. sir keir starmer well, i think, try to tackle that in this speech by trying to set it more of a vision over what he will offer the electorate in an election probably next year. we know he will focus on house—building, getting that really going, possibly by relaxing some planning rules. also devolving more powers to local authorities and two mayors across england. i have one of them here! i have andy burnham with me now. we know that keir starmer is keen on this idea to give more powers to mayors like you. what you specifically want him to pledge? it does feel like there has been a big change _ does feel like there has been a big change in — does feel like there has been a big change in the last couple of years around _ change in the last couple of years around labour's approach to devolution and i think myself and steve _ devolution and i think myself and steve rotherham, having taken the

decision— steve rotherham, having taken the decision to — steve rotherham, having taken the decision to put buses under control, that we _ decision to put buses under control, that we can — decision to put buses under control, that we can do things that really matter. — that we can do things that really matter, changing a big thatcher reform — matter, changing a big thatcher reform of— matter, changing a big thatcher reform of the big 1980s. i think the movement— reform of the big 1980s. i think the movement is buying into english devolution and it is great to have the leader— devolution and it is great to have the leader of the party know in advance — the leader of the party know in advance of his speech pledging to -ive advance of his speech pledging to give more — advance of his speech pledging to give more power to local areas. from our own— give more power to local areas. from our own point— give more power to local areas. from our own point of view, i have a big lad our own point of view, i have a big tad to _ our own point of view, i have a big tad to create — our own point of view, i have a big lad to create an alternative to the university — lad to create an alternative to the university rate for young people. that is _ university rate for young people. that is a — university rate for young people. that is a big change that we need. it that is a big change that we need. it also _ that is a big change that we need. it also the — that is a big change that we need. it also the ability to build more homes — it also the ability to build more homes for social rent. these are things— homes for social rent. these are things that — homes for social rent. these are things that greater manchester is ready— things that greater manchester is ready to — things that greater manchester is ready to do and it would be brilliant _ ready to do and it would be brilliant to work with the labour government to deliver them. let�*s government to deliver them. let's dwell on housing. _ government to deliver them. let's dwell on housing. we _ government to deliver them. let�*s dwell on housing. we knows keir starmer has big, bold pledges on housing. he was talking about 300,000 houses a year. one of the problems has always been some local areas have a lot to say about where those houses should be built. sometimes they want to stop them.

how do you square the circle there and make sure that all these houses are built but she still have that local control?— local control? you do listen to local control? you do listen to local communities _ local control? you do listen to local communities as - local control? you do listen to local communities as best - local control? you do listen to local communities as best you local control? you do listen to - local communities as best you can put you _ local communities as best you can put you still need to find places for those — put you still need to find places for those homes. we have done that in greater— for those homes. we have done that in greater manchester and people could _ in greater manchester and people could look to us to see how you can tiring _ could look to us to see how you can bring forward a plan. we have a plan to tiring _ bring forward a plan. we have a plan to tiring nine — bring forward a plan. we have a plan to bring nine tenths local authorities. it is difficult, don't -et authorities. it is difficult, don't get me — authorities. it is difficult, don't get me wrong, but we now have a plan which _ get me wrong, but we now have a plan which means— get me wrong, but we now have a plan which means we can help a labour government deliver those homes. i would _ government deliver those homes. i would hope that many of them would be a would hope that many of them would he a new _ would hope that many of them would be a new generation of council housing, — be a new generation of council housing, net zero homes for social rent, _ housing, net zero homes for social rent. homes — housing, net zero homes for social rent, homes for young people, housing, net zero homes for social rent, homes foryoung people, home is cheaper— rent, homes foryoung people, home is cheaper to — rent, homes foryoung people, home is cheaper to rent and cheaper to run _ is cheaper to rent and cheaper to run that — is cheaper to rent and cheaper to run that is — is cheaper to rent and cheaper to run. that is a big answer to the cost _ run. that is a big answer to the cost of— run. that is a big answer to the cost of living crisis, and the housing _ cost of living crisis, and the housing crisis, too.- cost of living crisis, and the housing crisis, too. cost of living crisis, and the housin: crisis, too. ~ ,, .,~ housing crisis, too. when you speak to --eole housing crisis, too. when you speak to peeple in — housing crisis, too. when you speak to peeple in the _ housing crisis, too. when you speak to people in the north _ housing crisis, too. when you speak to people in the north of— housing crisis, too. when you speak to people in the north of england i housing crisis, too. when you speak| to people in the north of england do you get the sense that they are enthused by labour at the moment, or are they just frustrated with enthused by labour at the moment, or are theyjust frustrated with the

government. i are they just frustrated with the government-— are they just frustrated with the government. i think it is growing all of the time. _ government. i think it is growing all of the time. certainly - government. i think it is growing all of the time. certainly that - all of the time. certainly that frustration with the government is ireing _ frustration with the government is ireing fett— frustration with the government is being felt by voters of all parties. in manchester last week i think they saw how— in manchester last week i think they saw how the government treated the north— saw how the government treated the north of— saw how the government treated the north of england and i don't think it went _ north of england and i don't think it went down very well. increasingly we are _ it went down very well. increasingly we are working as one north, and if you can _ we are working as one north, and if you can deal— we are working as one north, and if you can deal with a north in one way everyhody— you can deal with a north in one way everybody sees it and you can all stand _ everybody sees it and you can all stand at — everybody sees it and you can all stand at each other. the balance of power _ stand at each other. the balance of power is _ stand at each other. the balance of power is shifting. for me, i have been _ power is shifting. for me, i have been around a long time, i remember labour— been around a long time, i remember labour conferences of the mid—90s, and this— labour conferences of the mid—90s, and this conference feels like that. i and this conference feels like that. i believe _ and this conference feels like that. i believe sir keir starmer today will say— i believe sir keir starmer today will say more about what motivates them, _ will say more about what motivates them, what he wants to do as prime minister. _ them, what he wants to do as prime minister. so— them, what he wants to do as prime minister. so i — them, what he wants to do as prime minister, so i think he will answer the point — minister, so i think he will answer the point that you are making. i think— the point that you are making. i think people will have a clear connection with labour and with its later coming out of this speech today — later coming out of this speech toda . ., ,., ., , .,

today. how important is it that he nets it today. how important is it that he gets it right? _ today. how important is it that he gets it right? the _ today. how important is it that he gets it right? the argument - today. how important is it that he gets it right? the argument you l gets it right? the argument you heard last week from senior conservatives is nice think they are still in the game because yes, people are frustrated with what has happened over the last couple of years, but they don't think support for labour is that deep, and they are confident that when they start scrutinising labour a bit more they can make up the ground. that scrutinising labour a bit more they can make up the ground.— can make up the ground. that was their gamble _ can make up the ground. that was their gamble in _ can make up the ground. that was their gamble in manchester. - can make up the ground. that was their gamble in manchester. it - can make up the ground. that was| their gamble in manchester. it was can make up the ground. that was i their gamble in manchester. it was a desperate _ their gamble in manchester. it was a desperate role of the dice going on because _ desperate role of the dice going on because they took a plan that had been _ because they took a plan that had been worked on for years, something that george _ been worked on for years, something that george osborne promised us ten years ago. _ that george osborne promised us ten years ago, hsz, they took a gamble with that _ years ago, hsz, they took a gamble with that plan and basically they ribbed _ with that plan and basically they ripped it — with that plan and basically they ripped it up in front of us in the middle — ripped it up in front of us in the middle of— ripped it up in front of us in the middle of manchester. if you look at other— middle of manchester. if you look at other thing — middle of manchester. if you look at other thing ministers were saying, it was— other thing ministers were saying, it was like — other thing ministers were saying, it was like the last thing they read on social— it was like the last thing they read on social media to went out and set it, on social media to went out and set it. it _ on social media to went out and set it. it was _ on social media to went out and set it, it was quite unbelievable. these were _ it, it was quite unbelievable. these were desperate gambles, the desperate acts of a dying government. this conference feels very. _ government. this conference feels very. very— government. this conference feels very, very different. i have been to

both. _ very, very different. i have been to both. this — very, very different. i have been to both, this one feels serious, united. _ both, this one feels serious, united, focused on labour going into government. no one takes anything for granted, but i think change is coming — for granted, but i think change is cominu. �* for granted, but i think change is cominu. ~ ,, for granted, but i think change is cominu. . ,, ., coming. about h52, the government said it will replace _ coming. about h52, the government said it will replace what _ coming. about h52, the government said it will replace what was - coming. about h52, the government said it will replace what was going i said it will replace what was going to be birmingham to manchester leg with lots of things around the north of england, some of which are a lot more concrete than others, some of which have come under a lot of scrutiny and may be not stood up to scrutiny. what do you want to see labour do if you do win power? is it to find a way of resurrecting hs2 or is it a go with the new plan? fin to find a way of resurrecting h52 or is it a go with the new plan? on the government — is it a go with the new plan? on the government because _ is it a go with the new plan? on the government because my _ is it a go with the new plan? on the government because my plan - is it a go with the new plan? on the government because my plan for. government because my plan for network— government because my plan for network zero —— network north. two brobtems. _ network zero —— network north. two problems. it— network zero —— network north. two problems, it is neater an network nor is _ problems, it is neater an network nor is it— problems, it is neater an network nor is it in— problems, it is neater an network nor is it in the north. beyond those problems. — nor is it in the north. beyond those problems. i— nor is it in the north. beyond those problems, i suppose you could say it is fine _ problems, i suppose you could say it is fine. serious point, what is labour— is fine. serious point, what is labour going to do? i think we have a real— labour going to do? i think we have a real chance — labour going to do? i think we have a real chance now to get an east — west— a real chance now to get an east — west tine — a real chance now to get an east — west line across the north of england _ west line across the north of england that meets the north's

ambitions. for me that is a line from _ ambitions. for me that is a line from liverpool, all the way through manchester, bradford, leeds, then up grating _ manchester, bradford, leeds, then up grating -- _ manchester, bradford, leeds, then up grating -- up— manchester, bradford, leeds, then up grating —— up grating to leeds. is grating —— up grating to leeds. [55 that grating —— up grating to leeds. that more grating —— up grating to leeds. is that more important than getting the h52 that more important than getting the hs2 line back? for that more important than getting the hs2 line back?— h52 line back? for me, i always said the east to — h52 line back? for me, i always said the east to west _ h52 line back? for me, i always said the east to west line _ h52 line back? for me, i always said the east to west line was _ h52 line back? for me, i always said the east to west line was more - the east to west line was more important. we need to look at the connection— important. we need to look at the connection between birmingham and manchester. you have to upgrade birmingham to manchester. things were thrown up in the air last week, they have _ were thrown up in the air last week, they have become clear here because labour _ they have become clear here because labour has _ they have become clear here because labour has a — they have become clear here because labour has a big ambition for that no timetine — labour has a big ambition for that no timeline going right the way through— no timeline going right the way through as i described. there is considerable uncertainty about the birmingham to manchester element. it has to— birmingham to manchester element. it has to be _ birmingham to manchester element. it has to be something else if it is not h52~ — has to be something else if it is not h52. ~ , ., , has to be something else if it is not h52. ~ ,~. , _, . not h52. when you see the conference like this, i know _ not h52. when you see the conference like this, i know you _ not h52. when you see the conference like this, i know you love _

not h52. when you see the conference like this, i know you love your- not h52. when you see the conference like this, i know you love yourjob, - like this, i know you love yourjob, are you ever tempted back to westminster to make these arguments? i'm going to turn the question wrong. — i'm going to turn the question wrong. for— i'm going to turn the question wrong, for he is somebody who lives in this— wrong, for he is somebody who lives in this westminster bubble, do you not think— in this westminster bubble, do you not think the north—west is the place _ not think the north—west is the place to— not think the north—west is the place to be? the north west is a great _ place to be? the north west is a great place to be. steve rotherham has done _ great place to be. steve rotherham has done great work you're in liverpool _ has done great work you're in liverpool. we have just had confirmation today that everton's new ground will be in 2028, which is a good _ new ground will be in 2028, which is a good thing. if you look at our city as— a good thing. if you look at our city as well, the government sought last week. _ city as well, the government sought last week, there is real change in manchester. the skyline as much changed — manchester. the skyline as much changed. there are buses under public— changed. there are buses under public control on our streets. things— public control on our streets. things are _ public control on our streets. things are happening in the north west— things are happening in the north west of— things are happening in the north west of england. the reason i left westminster was to get the north where _ westminster was to get the north where it— westminster was to get the north where it should be. what we saw last week as _ where it should be. what we saw last week as the — where it should be. what we saw last week as the north of england will never— week as the north of england will never get — week as the north of england will never get justice week as the north of england will never getjustice if we stay week as the north of england will never get justice if we stay with the political status quo. we need to make _

the political status quo. we need to make devolution work, but then reform — make devolution work, but then reform parliament to make it work for the _ reform parliament to make it work for the north as well. that is my mission~ — for the north as well. that is my mission i— for the north as well. that is my mission. i am for the north as well. that is my mission. lam happier for the north as well. that is my mission. i am happier in the place where _ mission. i am happier in the place where i_ mission. i am happier in the place where i know, doing what i believe in, speaking up for the north west of england — in, speaking up for the north west of england with steve and us buitding _ of england with steve and us building an alternative to everything being done from one post catted _ everything being done from one post catted -- _ everything being done from one post called —— one" in whitehall. andy called -- one" in whitehall. andy burnham. _ called -- one" in whitehall. andy burnham, mayor— called -- one" in whitehall. andy burnham, mayor of— called -- one" in whitehall. andy burnham, mayor of greater - burnham, mayor of greater manchester, i know you need to go and get a seat! never let you go. thank you so much for coming to talk to us. you can feel that sort of confidence. i suppose the big question is, when we are chatting after the speech, does it feel like keir starmer has done what he has set out to do, setting out a vision as he sees it, of what labour could achieve if it wins power. that is the big challenge she has been facing over this conference. within the next hour we will get an answer

as to whether he has got it or not. wasn't andy burnham born in liverpool? i wasn't andy burnham born in liverpool?— wasn't andy burnham born in liverool? ,, , ., ., liverpool? i think you are right. i know he liverpool? ! think you are right. i know he is— liverpool? i think you are right. i know he is an — liverpool? i think you are right. i know he is an everton _ liverpool? i think you are right. i know he is an everton fan - liverpool? i think you are right. i know he is an everton fan and . liverpool? i think you are right. i i know he is an everton fan and we were talking about footballjust before we came on air because of the announcement about the euros today. i'll find that one out for you. proper northern. thank you very much indeed. so far today, the shadow home secretary, yvette cooper, has been speaking at the confernce. let's take a listen to what she says. security is the bedrock of opportunity. families don't thrive if they don't feel safe. security means knowing that someone will be there for you if things go wrong, that laws will be respected and enforced. and it means strong communities where people pull together instead of turning on each other. because when communities fracture, anti—social behaviour

grows and organised crime and extremists step in. but instead of standing up for security, the tories have done the opposite. that feeling that we have, that nothing works, that everything is broken. a brittle britain where we face the future with foreboding. they've taken a wrecking ball to the criminaljustice system. so 90% of crimes now go unsolved. more criminals let off, more victims let down. and, you know, criminals today are less than half as likely to be caught as they were under the last labour government. that is the scale of the collapse in law and order under this tory government. criminals laughing at the law. communities paying the price. apllause and this isn't an accident. it's the result of deliberate tory choice. a choice to cut police

from our streets. a choice to undermine respect for the rule of law and standards in public life. a choice to chase headlines, not solutions. and a shameful choice to ramp up the rhetoric, to pit people against each other rather than bringing communities together. they are weak on crime, weak on the causes of crime, weakening our security, a reckless tory home secretary, a hopeless tory government. they need to go. apllause that was the shadow home secretary, yvette cooper, with her speech earlier today. the big speech of the whole conference is coming up in about ten minutes, sir keir starmer, talking about what he wants to offer the electorate at the next election. the question that we were repeatedly

told by senior labour folk, the question that we were repeatedly told by senior labourfolk, he is going to answer, is why labour? what is the active reason to back labour at the next general election. i will bring in andrew fisher, a columnist at the allied newspaper. what is yoursense at the allied newspaper. what is your sense of the soul? is this labour�*s dress rehearsal for power? i think it is. labour�*s dress rehearsal for power? ithink it is. if labour�*s dress rehearsal for power? i think it is. if you look at the bolts. — i think it is. if you look at the polls. the _ i think it is. if you look at the polls, the by—election results, labour— polls, the by—election results, labour is _ polls, the by—election results, labour is doing very well. i think what _ labour is doing very well. i think what you — labour is doing very well. i think what you have seen throughout this week— what you have seen throughout this week from — what you have seen throughout this week from conferences reassurance, stability. _ week from conferences reassurance, stability, not rocking the boat too much. _ stability, not rocking the boat too much. not — stability, not rocking the boat too much, not big exciting policy announcements, adjustability, steadiness. that contrast to what we saw last _ steadiness. that contrast to what we saw last week, the chaos in manchester. is saw last week, the chaos in manchester.— saw last week, the chaos in manchester. , ., ., ., ' saw last week, the chaos in manchester. . ., ., .,' ., manchester. is it enough to offer to stead as manchester. is it enough to offer to steady as she _ manchester. is it enough to offer to steady as she goes _ manchester. is it enough to offer to steady as she goes message. - manchester. is it enough to offer to steady as she goes message. when manchester. is it enough to offer to - steady as she goes message. when you were here withjeremy corbyn three orfour were here withjeremy corbyn three or four years ago you were saying we need to be radical, we need to get people radical thing is to vote for.

we had the liz truss budget, the chaos— we had the liz truss budget, the chaos of— we had the liz truss budget, the chaos of that. boris johnson resigning in disgrace. we have had the worst— resigning in disgrace. we have had the worst cost of living crisis in history — the worst cost of living crisis in history. people do want stability and it— history. people do want stability and it is— history. people do want stability and it is right to talk about that, reflect— and it is right to talk about that, reflect that. at the same time, the situation _ reflect that. at the same time, the situation has got worse. you look at our public— situation has got worse. you look at our public services, we have record with ingtis— our public services, we have record with inglis in— our public services, we have record with inglis in the nhs, 165,000 care worker— with inglis in the nhs, 165,000 care worker vacancies, with inglis in the nhs,165,000 care worker vacancies, backlogs in the courts. _ worker vacancies, backlogs in the courts. the — worker vacancies, backlogs in the courts, the home office. there are a lot of— courts, the home office. there are a lot of things — courts, the home office. there are a lot of things that need to be done and has _ lot of things that need to be done and has labour really set out how it will fund _ and has labour really set out how it will fund that transformative position? i think people will demand more _ position? i think people will demand more of— position? i think people will demand more of labour.— more of labour. from the shadow chancellor. _ more of labour. from the shadow chancellor, we _ more of labour. from the shadow chancellor, we need _ more of labour. from the shadow chancellor, we need to _ more of labour. from the shadow chancellor, we need to wait - more of labour. from the shadow chancellor, we need to wait for. chancellor, we need to wait for economic growth, then we can dish set out in public services. you seem to be suggesting that you think that liberty is being too timid.

long—term growth is right, her argument _ long—term growth is right, her argument in the abstract yesterday, invest. _ argument in the abstract yesterday, invest. get— argument in the abstract yesterday, invest, get long—term growth. our growth _ invest, get long—term growth. our growth since the banking crash has been _ growth since the banking crash has been about 1% year, which has been pretty— been about 1% year, which has been pretty more — been about 1% year, which has been pretty more pure. —— pretty bad. as well as— pretty more pure. —— pretty bad. as well as getting growth going again, which _ well as getting growth going again, which might take two or three years, is get _ which might take two or three years, is get that— which might take two or three years, is get that immediate money in so you stop _ is get that immediate money in so you stop people having to wait so lon- you stop people having to wait so long on _ you stop people having to wait so long on the nhs. if you do that you will get _ long on the nhs. if you do that you will get more nurses, more doctors, paying _ will get more nurses, more doctors, paying tax— will get more nurses, more doctors, paying tax is — will get more nurses, more doctors, paying tax is not anything else. and there _ paying tax is not anything else. and there are _ paying tax is not anything else. and there are a — paying tax is not anything else. and there are a lot of people on the waiting — there are a lot of people on the waiting list you can't work because they can _ waiting list you can't work because they can get the operation they need _ they can get the operation they need. there is a virtuous circle to investing — need. there is a virtuous circle to investing in — need. there is a virtuous circle to investing in the public services and come _ investing in the public services and come a _ investing in the public services and come a long term, if you want a more skilled _ come a long term, if you want a more skilled economy you have to put money _ skilled economy you have to put money into education, right from the early years — you so you think labour is on the verge of power. i5

you so you think labour is on the verge of power-— you so you think labour is on the verge of power. is this a sign that jeremy corbyn — verge of power. is this a sign that jeremy corbyn was _ verge of power. is this a sign that jeremy corbyn was wrong - verge of power. is this a sign that jeremy corbyn was wrong and - verge of power. is this a sign that - jeremy corbyn was wrong and actually what labour needs to do is offer the electorate something from the centre that can reassure voters who haven't always backed labour but might be tempted to and to keep the left on site? in tempted to and to keep the left on site? ii' ' tempted to and to keep the left on site? ::' ' ., , ., . site? in 2019 it was a brexit dominated _ site? in 2019 it was a brexit dominated election - site? in 2019 it was a brexit dominated election and - site? in 2019 it was a brexit - dominated election and dominated by the phrase get brexit done. the tories _ the phrase get brexit done. the tories won— the phrase get brexit done. the tories won on that basis. 2017 when jeremy— tories won on that basis. 2017 when jeremy corbyn made a strong anti—austerity argument we still lost but — anti—austerity argument we still lost but we saw the highest increase in the _ lost but we saw the highest increase in the labour vote since 1945. and we turned — in the labour vote since 1945. and we turned it— in the labour vote since 1945. and we turned it around. a big shift in the polls— we turned it around. a big shift in the polls and we started on 25% and end up— the polls and we started on 25% and end up with — the polls and we started on 25% and end up with 40%. so in a sense their argument— end up with 40%. so in a sense their argument thatjeremy end up with 40%. so in a sense their argument that jeremy corbyn put is i’ilht argument that jeremy corbyn put is right now— argument that jeremy corbyn put is right now and we need to hear a bit more _ right now and we need to hear a bit more of— right now and we need to hear a bit more of that now alongside the stability— more of that now alongside the stability and reassurance tone we've heard _ stability and reassurance tone we've heard from — stability and reassurance tone we've heard from sir keir starmer. you have been _ heard from sir keir starmer. you have been at _ heard from sir keir starmer. you have been at a _ heard from sir keir starmer. you have been at a few _ heard from sir keir starmer. gm, have been at a few of these conferences are so high, and my

wrong to conclude this is