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sderot you are watching bbc news. turning to our main headlines, the united nations orders... more than a million people to leave gaza is impossible. they say it will lead to unimaginable suffering. the israeli military has dropped leaflets and pass territory giving people 2a hours to get out. israeli tanks mass at the border with gaza ahead of an expected ground operation. harrowing accounts emerge from the massacre by hamas militants in and is mainly giblets. —— in an israeli kibbutz. areas of israel, the lebanese militant group hezbollah says it is prepared to enter the war when the time comes.
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letters get more details about another�*s headline stories. the bbc has had more accounts of atrocities committed by hamas gunmen rampaging through committed by hamas gunmen rampaging throuthewish communities in through jewish communities in southern throuthewish communities in southern israel on saturday. shocking massacres took place, our correspondent went to meet one of the survivors who says that the crimes they committed justify a full—scale israeli ground offensive into gaza. just a warning that the report contains details of viewers may find it distressing. we hear them shooting people, shooting kids. and the people say, please no, please no. they are the survivors. 22—year—old neta and her boyfriend, santiago, escaped from hamas�*s massacre in their village.
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she was shot six times in the legs. we start to hear gunshots for all they start. one apartment, one apartment, one apartment. start to break the windows, break the doors and start to shoot you. sounds people screaming. the killers filmed themselves on the loose, murdering dozens in thejewish community of kfar aza. trapped in her home with no israeli army to be seen, neta realised the only person who could save her was her dad, who she hadn't spoken to in six years. hiding, staying silent, she managed to message him. "they are close," she wrote. "lock the doors," her dad replies. "please answer, please."
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but the gunman found them. he started to shoot like we're nothing. i fell down on the ground and i felt santiago scream at me. "neta, please stand up. "start to run. "if you don't stand up, we're going to die. we're going to die." hiding under a pile of rubbish, she texted her dad again. "dad, they shot me. help!" when she text me that they shot her and she didn't answer me, my heart stops and my brain starts to work. you know, i was mad. when shimon, a plainclothes policeman, arrived at the village, he came under attack. i took my gun and they start to shoot at me. i shoot at them. i don't know if i hit or not. and four people get from their houses over there and with the ak—47 start to shoot me. eventually, shimon found neta
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near their burnt—out home and took them to safety, leaving behind many bodies. neta says israel must now respond in the strongest possible way. i don't want the hamas any more in my life. they need to destroy them one by one. they come to kill us. have you been thinking about what may happen to civilians in gaza if there is a big ground operation by the israeli military there? i speaking all what i say, it's for the jihad and the hamas. i don't... my country didn't want to hurt the civilians. i want them to be safe. i don't think they need to die, like i don't need to die. they like me.
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but civilians are being killed in this war in ever—increasing numbers. nick beake, bbc news, tel aviv. live now to lieutenant colonel peter lerner — who served for 25 years in the israel defence forces. yet thank you forjoining us here on bbc news. virtually everybody with experience in this area concludes that it experience in this area concludes thatitis experience in this area concludes that it is impossible fori million people to move out in this timeframe. is it practical? ithink it is essential _ timeframe. is it practical? ithink it is essential that _ timeframe. is it practical? ithink it is essential that people - timeframe. is it practical? ithink it is essential that people listen | it is essential that people listen to the instructions the idf is giving. they are there to save lives. that is why we are telling people who are not associated with hamas that they are not the enemy of israel but that they have to evacuate the area so that we can continue our mission to destroy hamas's a bellow ditties, to prevent them from ever being able to slot
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israelis in their bedrooms, bathrooms, houses, gardens. how do ou exect bathrooms, houses, gardens. how do you meet peeple _ bathrooms, houses, gardens. how do you meet peeple to _ bathrooms, houses, gardens. how do you expect people to do _ bathrooms, houses, gardens. how do you expect people to do it _ bathrooms, houses, gardens. how do you expect people to do it in - bathrooms, houses, gardens. how do you expect people to do it in this - you expect people to do it in this timeframe? i.i you expect people to do it in this timeframe? 1.1 million people, you know what the roads —like, given what we have seen. many, many people do not have cars. how can people get out with only a few hours to go? i've seeing many report throughout the day of people going, it has proven that people are moving, they are shifting south. 2a hours is not necessarily an ironclad timeframe. definitely, we are expecting people to shift south so we can conduct our activity and prevent hamas from ever being able to slaughter israelis ever again. being able to slaughter israelis ever again-— being able to slaughter israelis ever aain. ., ., ., ~ being able to slaughter israelis everarain. ., ., ., ~ ., ever again. somehow got out. we are showin: ever again. somehow got out. we are showing pictures _ ever again. somehow got out. we are showing pictures of _ ever again. somehow got out. we are showing pictures of that. _ ever again. somehow got out. we are showing pictures of that. nowhere - showing pictures of that. nowhere near the numbers, the total of people that are in that part of the gaza strip. in terms of people who are injured, in hospitals. the world
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health organization say, trying to move anyone like that is effectively a death sentence.— move anyone like that is effectively a death sentence. unfortunately, we have seen that _ a death sentence. unfortunately, we have seen that hamas _ a death sentence. unfortunately, we have seen that hamas are _ a death sentence. unfortunately, we have seen that hamas are acting - a death sentence. unfortunately, we have seen that hamas are acting in l have seen that hamas are acting in order prevent people from evacuating. this is exactly... they have absolutely no regard for human life. they have, in their decision we are operating we expect them to evacuate, we are going to restore safety and security to the people of israel, that is our responsibility and goal. we havejust released footage of an air strike we conducted on suicide drones that hamas were holding. they position them on the rooftops of houses. they do not care who is in them. they willjeopardise people, they do not
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care. what we are doing is the right thing to do, telling people that they must move to the south and we will continue our operation in order to destroy hamas's abilities was our bike we were showing those pictures ourselves 20 minutes ago. the issue is simply at the timeframe you have given people. you are claiming that hamas is stopping people. we've seen no evidence of that. they are discouraging people, certainly, but no evidence of them stopping people. the question is simply the practicality of trying to get that amount of people out in the timeframe you have given with the un saying that it is simply impossible and would be catastrophic, the consequences that follow. i i want to talk about what needs to be done. what we did, when we realised we were coming under attack
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by hamas, we evacuated all of the people from the communities around the gaza strip precisely in order to put them out of harm's way. what hamas is doing is maintaining and discouraging them, instructing people not to evacuate. they are not actively... i've not seen footage of people physically preventing them, but discouragement from a genocidal suicidal organisation with no regard for human life is a serious threat. from our point of view, people need to get up and go as soon as possible. �*i.�*i to get up and go as soon as possible-— to get up and go as soon as possible. to get up and go as soon as ossible. ' ' ., , .,, possible. 1.1 million people. it is a colossal _ possible. 1.1 million people. it is a colossal task. _ possible. 1.1 million people. it is a colossal task. the _ possible. 1.1 million people. it is a colossal task. the un - possible. 1.1 million people. it is a colossal task. the un is - possible. 1.1 million people. it is| a colossal task. the un is saying: it is an impossible task. so many other people with experience in that territory are saying the same thing. they have asked you, the un, to reconsider this order. will you reconsider? irate reconsider this order. will you reconsider?— reconsider this order. will you reconsider? ~ . ., reconsider? we will continue with our mission _ reconsider? we will continue with our mission to _ reconsider? we will continue with our mission to destroy _ reconsider? we will continue with our mission to destroy hamas's . our mission to destroy hamas's capabilities. this is our mission.
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that is what we are doing, people need to listen to our warnings, we are happy to see people are listening and are not listening to what hamas is telling them. they are going south. that needs to be implemented. the idf has recruited some 300,000 reservists to be prepared for the next stage if there is a ground operation. we need to be prepared and to mobilise if the government instructors to do so. at this time, we are conducting strikes against hamas. they are a terrorist infrastructure. from their leadership to the butchers that mutilated and killed and burned israelis in their bedrooms, that is what we are doing. we are determined to remove this threat once and for all. i to remove this threat once and for all. . ., to remove this threat once and for all. _, . ,, ., ., ., all. i will come back to that final oint in all. i will come back to that final point in one _ all. i will come back to that final point in one second. _ all. i will come back to that final point in one second. before - all. i will come back to that final| point in one second. before that, hamas killed an unprecedented number of israelis not in doubt. that they committed unspeakable evil, butchery, men, women, children, that
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is not in doubt. but, hundreds of palestinians have now been killed, many of them are children. they are not the ones that carried out those atrocities. . , ., , ., , atrocities. the palestinian people and the people — atrocities. the palestinian people and the people of— atrocities. the palestinian people and the people of gaza _ atrocities. the palestinian people and the people of gaza are - atrocities. the palestinian people and the people of gaza are not i atrocities. the palestinian peoplel and the people of gaza are not our enemies. hamas is the enemy of israel, they cannot be permitted to be the governing body that utilises the civilian arena, that mobilises from within the territory and attacks... uses the gaza strip as a staging ground for slaughter in israel. that cannot be committed. that is what we are out to stop. they have failed the people of gaza miserably. they are sacrificing them as we speak. miserably. they are sacrificing them as we speak-— as we speak. one final thought, he soke as we speak. one final thought, he spoke about _ as we speak. one final thought, he spoke about a _ as we speak. one final thought, he spoke about a possible _ as we speak. one final thought, he spoke about a possible ground - spoke about a possible ground incursion. do you think that that objective of wiping out hamas is remotely possible? i objective of wiping out hamas is remotely possible?— objective of wiping out hamas is remotely possible? i think that we are determined _ remotely possible? i think that we are determined they _ remotely possible? i think that we are determined they will— remotely possible? i think that we are determined they will never - remotely possible? i think that we are determined they will never be | are determined they will never be able to attack our people again. when you talk about that number,
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1300 people. that is family is torn to pieces. torn to pieces by the actions instructed by this government of hamas, the organisation of hamas. that is what they are doing. that is how they have done it. they need to pay. i would say that yes, we are determined that that organisation will no longer exist, that they will be removed, and that their operations will be a very bleak side comment in the history of humankind. there atrocities will be a red flag for any of those who seek to conduct terrorism against israel and against all of the decent people of the world. ~ ., ., ., world. we have to leave it there, thank you — world. we have to leave it there, thank you for— world. we have to leave it there, thank you forjoining _ world. we have to leave it there, thank you forjoining us - world. we have to leave it there, thank you forjoining us here - world. we have to leave it there, thank you forjoining us here on i world. we have to leave it there, i thank you forjoining us here on bbc news. thank you for your time. around the world and across uk, you are watching bbc news. bringing you different
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stories from across the uk. all residents have learning disabilities or autism. it is not easy to recruit because retail and nhs jobs generally pay more. it worries me for the people that we support, it worries me what is going to happen to them and how we are going to make sure that we can keep recruiting and we can keep supporting them to live the best life ever? the government has put an extra £2.4 billion into social care, but it's only enough to match the increase in inflation. care worker pay is a really big issue, it is an issue that the local government association has lobbied hard on. and to make a step change is difficult, it needs funding to councils to increase, and of course it needs to increase in a way that it gets through to the care worker pay. many at the summit believe better wages won't solve everything, but care organisations like karen's say if staff were rewarded for what they do, there would be more personalised help to go around. for more stories from across the uk, head to the bbc news website.
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you are alive with bbc news. we were talking bear to the idf spokesman. let us continue on the ground. we now speak to the former egyptian foreign minister who served as secretary general to the arab league. as i introduce him, the line hasjust dropped out, apologies league. as i introduce him, the line has just dropped out, apologies for that. we will try to re—establish that. we will try to re—establish that and go back to him in a moment or two. that and go back to him in a moment ortwo. let that and go back to him in a moment or two. let us talk about the hostage crisis. the number of people abducted by hamas is believed to be close to 150. among them is a woman who was kidnapped from cabinets after hamas cost of the gaza border. since then, herfamily after hamas cost of the gaza border. since then, her family has after hamas cost of the gaza border. since then, herfamily has been unable to establish any contact with her obviously, deep concern for her safety. she lives in london.
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live now to noam sagi, whose mother — ada was was taken hostage from nir oz kibbutz in southern israel. thank you for speaking tours here on bbc news i know that the circumstances are enormously difficult. i wonder if you could start by describing the moments on saturday and what you think happened to your mother. 50. saturday and what you think happened to your mother-— to your mother. so, we woke up on saturday morning _ to your mother. so, we woke up on saturday morning here _ to your mother. so, we woke up on saturday morning here in _ to your mother. so, we woke up on saturday morning here in london . to your mother. so, we woke up onl saturday morning here in london for urgent call is coming from israel. i spoke with my sister, she told me she was speaking earlier with my mother. she was very shaken. what she saw outside her house. she basically said that she was going into the safe room. and then, at eight o'clock israel time... since
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730 we didn't hear from her. we didn't hearfrom her... 730 we didn't hear from her. we didn't hear from her... presumably, that has been _ didn't hear from her... presumably, that has been the _ didn't hear from her... presumably, that has been the case _ didn't hear from her... presumably, that has been the case ever - didn't hear from her... presumably, that has been the case ever since? l that has been the case ever since? that has been the case ever since. what happened is that, as is the nature of the news that started to calm, and understanding that they are left to defend themselves, i started to look at some of the palestinian reporting. i saw, actually, a report coming live from her front lawn. actually, a report coming live from herfront lawn. i saw actually, a report coming live from her front lawn. i saw somebody talking about what they are doing and i saw movement in front of her house. that is when my heart sank. i hope for the best, but i was very worried. it was not until four o'clock when the army took back control of the cabinets and the medical team came in and did not find her in her house, there were just bloodstains that they managed
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to see. we knew that she is not on the list of the dead or the injured list. we know that she is not on the rescued list. so, that is the situation right now.- rescued list. so, that is the situation right now. rescued list. so, that is the situation riaht now. ., , . situation right now. that must have been incredibly _ situation right now. that must have been incredibly distressing, - situation right now. that must have been incredibly distressing, to - situation right now. that must have been incredibly distressing, to see | been incredibly distressing, to see that footage from her front lawn. how difficult, in the days and subsequently, how is it been to find out any information at all? i subsequently, how is it been to find out any information at all?- out any information at all? i cannot describe it- — out any information at all? i cannot describe it. they _ out any information at all? i cannot describe it. they are _ out any information at all? i cannot describe it. they are doing - describe it. they are doing everything possible to do things and get information, but you know, it is like... we can't sleep since saturday. so much is going on but nothing is going on at the same time. the reality is that we do not know anything, we have not heard anything. and we do not know. so, i think... it is difficult psychologically to deal with all of
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this unknown business. we can either worry or fantasise, this unknown business. we can either worry orfantasise, but this unknown business. we can either worry or fantasise, but the reality is we do not know and we need to look at what is ahead of us and what is in front of us. this is where we are at. aye i totally get that. in terms of the developments that we know about, we now have that deadline for people to get out of gaza. we know of the prospect of a ground invasion. we know what the threat hamas have already delivered. when you hear all of those things, tell me what you think. i grew igrew up i grew up in the area, i was born in the 1970s. we used to work together. we used to have so much in common. lots of friends were from the other side. my mum was an arabic teacher, she believed this was all about communication and building bridges
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to create a better future. these people believed in every fibre in their body that peace is the only way. all of these rhetoric, all that is happening... i hope, i really hope that there are good people. that they are the top priority, good people, in everything they do. and i'm talking about both sides. in terms of a possible ground invasion, when you hear that being discussed, what do you think? would you prefer those israeli forces to go in? would you prefer those israeli forces to stand back at the moment? you know, my preference — stand back at the moment? you know, my preference is _ stand back at the moment? you know, my preference is an _ stand back at the moment? you know, my preference is an opinion. _ stand back at the moment? you know, my preference is an opinion. and - my preference is an opinion. and
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because opinions are just words. it is never going to do much. i am not sitting here, i'm never going to be able to stop people doing what they do. never, in my lifetime, buti imagine that what happened on saturday morning could ever happen anywhere in the world, no matter what disagreements and what war is going on. nine—month—old babies and 93—year—old grandmother be part of this conflict resolution. these people believe that there is a way forward, looking into each other�*s eyes and finding ways. communicate. they do not believe any ground offence of any massacre will create
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anything good. nothing good will come out of this, we know that. so, my opinion does not matter any more than anybody else's. i am worried about my mother. i am worried sick for my mum. and for all of the other 80 people from her community with her. you talk about mobilising people. they took them in their mobility scooters. it is the longest that they have travelled for a long time, some of them have parkinson's, some of them have cancer, some of them have all kinds of other problems. i don't want to get too into it but the thing is, right now, they must be a priority. i think that any 65—year—old and any and i8 that any 65—year—old and any and 18 year on this planet, everybody should have believed that they could never be part of that. so, i think that they need to prioritise how to get these people, all of the
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hostages out. and, what's the best way of doing that is. my tag that is one of the things that antony was talking about in his meetings today. we were reporting on that 45 minutes ago. returning to your mother, do you have any instinctive idea as to how she will be coping in all of this? you can call me a fantasist. i have lived in london for many years and i still half believe that even when these people came into their house and burned them and gassed them and slaughtered them and killed them and then they took them with them. but, when you look into somebody�*s eyes, maybe, maybe, humanity comes out of
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you. it might be a hope. it might be a way for me to keep myself positive. my mum is a very positive person, she always believed in people, the blue sea of people, in love, in kindness. these are people who share everything that they have. people who do not look for their own selves and their own self—promotion. they are a community, each one of them is family. so many of them are now dead. we are in a luxury position where we can be worried about them. position where we can be worried about them-— position where we can be worried about them. yes. i am position where we can be worried about them. yes. iam not position where we can be worried about them. yes. i am not sure that her mass and _ about them. yes. i am not sure that her mass and the _ about them. yes. i am not sure that her mass and the israeli government other people i would have liked to deal with the situation right now. i really urge the international
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community, the arab leaders, our neighbours, to get involved as soon as possible, and to say: these are the lines, you are playing outside of the lines. it is not human, what is going on here. we of the lines. it is not human, what is going on here.— is going on here. we had to leave ou is going on here. we had to leave you there. _ is going on here. we had to leave you there. we _ is going on here. we had to leave you there, we are _ is going on here. we had to leave you there, we are edging - is going on here. we had to leave you there, we are edging to - is going on here. we had to leave you there, we are edging to the l is going on here. we had to leave i you there, we are edging to the end of our programme. i mentioned antony blinken, he has already met the m area of qatar. there is a possible prisoner swap but no breakthroughs have been made yet. thank you so much for taking the time to speak with us, i know that i was incredibly difficult. thank you for your time and thank you. we will take a pause, when we are back we will bring you the latest from correspondence on the ground in both israel and gaza. all of that here on bbc news. do not go anywhere. hello there.
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good afternoon. plenty of rain around today, particularly across southern england and wales, along with still that milder air lingering on. further north, colder air, but also some sunshine. and we're all going to be coming into those chillier—feeling conditions as we head through the weekend. so feeling a lot more like autumn. temperatures dropping below the seasonal average this time. it will be windy, but there will be a lot of sunshine around as well. and this is the position of the weather front on friday. it's going to be pushing further southwards and eastwards as we head through the rest of the afternoon. that cold front sweeping away the milder air into this evening and overnight. behind the weather front, there's quite a lot of sunshine around, but also some showers just streaming down on that north—westerly wind. it's quite a brisk wind, certainly towards exposed coastal areas, and especially out towards the far north—east of scotland and the northern isles. quite windy conditions developing here later on. still, that milder air lingers on towards the south and the east. a lot chillier, 10 to ia degrees celsius for much of north—west england, northern ireland and scotland.
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so some heavy downpours of rain through the evening rush hour for the south—east. the rain clears away. chillier overnight tonight with lots of clear skies around and temperatures dropping back to around three to seven degrees celsius. so noticeably colder into saturday morning. and then on saturday, with our weather front across europe, we've got the north—westerly winds still, some gales in association with this area of low pressure out towards the north—east of scotland. and of course, that colder—feeling air streaming down from the north. so feeling very different, a lot more like autumn. there will be a lot of sunshine around, but do watch out for some showers that will blow through northern ireland, perhaps north—west england and down through north—west wales. some of the showers could even turn out to be a bit wintry over the higher ground, perhaps, at times. still strong winds for the northern isles, for aberdeenshire. elsewhere, a brisk nort—westerly and temperatures peaking elsewhere, a brisk north—westerly and temperatures peaking between nine and 13 degrees celsius. so quite a drop there. on saturday night, again, plenty of clear skies. the winds will lighten a little
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and many of us could see a touch of ground frost as we head into sunday morning. so the coldest night of the autumn so far. on sunday, there'll still be a lot of sunshine. some showers across the far north of scotland. the winds will be lighter, so it won't feel quite so chilly. but temperatures lower, ten or 11 degrees. bye— bye.
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the united nations warns an israeli order for more than a million palestinians to leave northern gaza is impossible to achieve. more harrowing accounts emerge from the massacre by hamas militants in an israeli kibbutz. we hear them shooting people... shooting kids and the people tell them, "please, no." us secretary of state antony blinken is in qatar to discuss the conflict and we're expecting to hear from him in the next hour. live pictures from southern lebanon after reports that israel has shelled a border post. it comes as the lebanese militant group hezbollah says it is fully prepared to enter the war against israel when the time comes. this is the seen live in gaza and we will
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