the metropolitan police have issued 2a fixed penalty notices for potential breaches of covid regulations at a party in the conservative party headquarters in westminster in december 2020. the force reopened an investigation earlier this year, after video footage emerged of what was described as a "jingle and mingle" party. the covid inquiry has been shown whatsapp messages between some of borisjohnson�*s senior advisors in downing street our political correspondent damian grammaticas reports. it's time for politics to deliver, folks! borisjohnson�*s downfall. the covid inquiry heard today his government was "dysfunctional".

and at the heart of things, his wife carrie, or so the messages revealed today claim. they were exchanged in october 2020 by dominic cummings — the prime minister's controversial chief adviser, often seen as a power unto himself — and two other men, including simon case. mrjohnson had only recently appointed him cabinet secretary, the country's top civil servant. the prime minister wanted a plan for regional lockdowns for england. the men say they think the idea has come from carrie. simon case says, "i'm not sure i can cope. i'm going to scream." adding, "i was always told that dom was the secret pm. "the real person in charge is carrie."

america's defence secretary tells the israelis that hamas is worse than isis but says it's a time to respond, not for revenge. palestinians, meanwhile, fear an israeli invasion and a new chapter of dispossession. the israeli army is making people choose between genocide and ethnic cleansing. this is an act of ethnic cleansing. this is an act of ethnic cleansing. it will start in the north but israel was clear about their intention. we explore how communities here, bothjewish and muslim, are feeling as the metropolitan police say anti—semitic incidents have gone up. muslims and jews were living together peacefully. we have no fights and i actually prefer this neighbourhood to any other

neighbourhood.— neighbourhood to any other neiuhbourhood. ~ , , neighbourhood. jews and muslims, muslims and _ neighbourhood. jews and muslims, muslims and jews, _ neighbourhood. jews and muslims, muslims and jews, standing - neighbourhood. jews and muslims, l muslims and jews, standing shoulder to shoulder together. good evening from jerusalem. today supporters of hamas called for a worldwide day of rage, protesting at israel's military action. but what we also saw here today was more visits by senior european and american politicians to express solidarity with israel after the horrendous attacks of last saturday. the calculation here is that the worst day's loss of life in israel's history requires action on an exceptional scale and has created equally exceptional understanding from allies.

well, that may be tested soon, as hundreds of thousands of palestinians flee an expected ground assault. in a pause between bombs, a rain of paper on gaza this morning. leaflets giving an order for citizens in the north of the gaza strip to leave their homes and head south. those who could proceeded to do just that. hamas asked people to stay. the israelis accuse them of wanting human shields for their rocket launches. palestinians countered that they were trying to frustrate israeli plans to drive out the population. the israeli army is making people choose between genocide or ethnic cleansing. this is an act of ethnic cleansing. it will start in the north but israel was very clear about their intention. and netanyahu said that all palestinians must evict their homes from all of gaza.

this military spokesperson said that all palestinians in gaza must evict to egypt and clearly their plan is to completely ethnically cleanse the whole of gaza. top european and american officials have been here today expressing solidarity after the hamas atrocities of last weekend. and the israeli defence minister cast his ongoing campaign in stark terms. this is a war on the existence of israel as a prosperous state, as a democratic state, as the homeland of the jewish people. this is a war on freedom and on our common values and we are on the front line. his us counterpart said hamas had behaved worse than isis but also revealed his concerns about israel's land operations. revealed his concerns

about israel's planned operations. democracies like ours are stronger and more secure when we uphold the laws of war. terrorists like hamas deliberately target civilians. but democracies don't. this is a time for resolve and not revenge. for purpose and not panic. and for security and not surrender. international agencies in gaza were also told to move out of the north today and indeed headed south. as for the laws of war, they're being increasingly blunt that the israeli siege already breaches them. the instructions of the israeli authorities for the citizens of northern gaza to flee their homes, coupled with a siege which explicitly prevents access to food, water and electricity, is incompatible with international humanitarian law.

across the west bank and eastjerusalem there were calls for a palestinian day of rage today. worshippers entering the al—aqsa mosque were limited to older men. while the city at the heart of their national aspirations echoed to the sound of street clashes. the order to evacuate the north of gaza is causing great worry, here. there are the immediate concerns, humanitarian ones, about the israeli army operation that may be about to begin there. but there are also deeper fears in the palestinian community about becoming refugees once again. hamas is still rocketing israel from gaza. so the campaign against them continues and palestinians scoff at the american idea of urging restraint on israel. the reality is that israel is taking no precautions,

they don't care about the lives of palestinians and actually they don't care about their lives of the prisoners, the israeli prisoners in gaza. already ii of them have been killed by israeli air strikes. if netanyahu cared about their lives he would accept immediately at least a humanitarian ceasefire and an immediate de—escalation and exchange of prisoners. so at least he can save the lives of israelis. but he doesn't care. as their army prepares to launch major ground thrusts into gaza, with all the costs that involves, the prime minister tonight made an unusual sabbath broadcast. translation: i know we will never forget the horrific _ actions of our enemies. and we will never forgive, nor let the world or anyone forget what has been done to thejewish people. but allied solidarity is not limitless, even after hamas's horrific attacks.

tensions across the region might easily escalate into wider conflict. but israel's leaders stand ready to order the next phase of this war. joining me now is amir avivi, reserve brigadier—general in the israel defence forces — and a former deputy commander of the idf�*s gaza division. is the major military operation on the ground — is the major military operation on the ground now an inevitability, do you think? — the ground now an inevitability, do ou think? , �* , the ground now an inevitability, do ou think? , �*, ., , ., you think? yes, it's inevitable for a simle you think? yes, it's inevitable for a simple reason. _ you think? yes, it's inevitable for a simple reason. the _ you think? yes, it's inevitable for| a simple reason. the government you think? yes, it's inevitable for - a simple reason. the government has decided to completely destroy hamas and palestinian islamichhad. there's no way to do itjust by attacking from the air. we need a massive ground operation, we need control of the gaza strip and then we really need to dismantle this organisation, its infrastructure, leaders and terrorists. find

organisation, its infrastructure, leaders and terrorists.- organisation, its infrastructure, leaders and terrorists. and in that scale operation _ leaders and terrorists. and in that scale operation you _ leaders and terrorists. and in that scale operation you describe, - scale operation you describe, presumably many people you served with will be killed or wounded. well, this is why we have an army. in the past, thejewish people were defenceless. 6 millionjews were killed, massacred in the holocaust and we say never again. we can defend ourselves. but and we say never again. we can defend ourselves.— and we say never again. we can defend ourselves. but if it follows the pattern _ defend ourselves. but if it follows the pattern of— defend ourselves. but if it follows the pattern of 2014, _ defend ourselves. but if it follows the pattern of 2014, the - defend ourselves. but if it follows the pattern of 2014, the major - the pattern of 2014, the major israeli incursion of that time, and israeli incursion of that time, and i think you are talking about something bigger than that, the number of palestinian civilians who will die will be much larger than israeli soldiers. this will die will be much larger than israeli soldiers.— israeli soldiers. this is an opportunity _ israeli soldiers. this is an opportunity to _ israeli soldiers. this is an opportunity to call- israeli soldiers. this is an opportunity to call the - israeli soldiers. this is an l opportunity to call the un, israeli soldiers. this is an - opportunity to call the un, the international community, to talk to the president of egypt, to open the border and let the palestinian civilians move south into the sinai peninsula where they can be safe while this war is going on. because keeping them inside gaza, for sure it will endanger them. it is a war

zone and it is very hard to defend civilians in this area. they need to move south. i civilians in this area. they need to move south-— move south. i think palestinians heafina move south. i think palestinians hearing that _ move south. i think palestinians hearing that will _ move south. i think palestinians hearing that will say _ move south. i think palestinians hearing that will say that - move south. i think palestinians hearing that will say that this i hearing that will say that this sounds like another 1948. what hearing that will say that this sounds like another 1948. what other choices? we — sounds like another 1948. what other choices? we are _ sounds like another 1948. what other choices? we are not _ sounds like another 1948. what other choices? we are not going _ sounds like another 1948. what other choices? we are not going to - choices? we are not going to endanger our soldiers. this is going to be very fierce fighting. we don't want civilians inside while we're fighting. i have remind you, hamas is using civilians as human shields. this is something terrible. so really the palestinians must move to the sinai peninsula as fast as possible and enable the idf to achieve its mission. by the way i think that destroying hamas, not only good for israel but the palestinians.— only good for israel but the palestinians. . , ,. ., ., palestinians. and this scenario you are outlining _ palestinians. and this scenario you are outlining in _ palestinians. and this scenario you are outlining in which _ palestinians. and this scenario you are outlining in which pretty - palestinians. and this scenario you are outlining in which pretty much| are outlining in which pretty much the whole civilian population of

gaza would go into egypt, is that temporary?— gaza would go into egypt, is that. temporary?_ so temporary? well, of course it is. so the could temporary? well, of course it is. so they could come _ temporary? well, of course it is. so they could come back? _ temporary? well, of course it is. so they could come back? i _ temporary? well, of course it is. so they could come back? i think - temporary? well, of course it is. so they could come back? i think it - they could come back? i think it could take _ they could come back? i think it could take a _ they could come back? i think it could take a few— they could come back? i think it could take a few months - they could come back? i think it could take a few months to - they could come back? i think it. could take a few months to really achieve the goals of this war and yes, they can go back and rebuild their lives, but without hamas, without palestinian islamicjihad, without palestinian islamic jihad, without palestinian islamicjihad, without terrorism. maybe then we have a chance of thinking about gaza as a place with potential and not what we are seeing now. i’pe as a place with potential and not what we are seeing now. i've got to sa , what we are seeing now. i've got to say. hearing _ what we are seeing now. i've got to say. hearing you — what we are seeing now. i've got to say, hearing you saying _ what we are seeing now. i've got to say, hearing you saying that, - say, hearing you saying that, earlier we spoke to a palestinian politician who said that the order to move south presented palestinians with a choice between genocide and ethnic cleansing. i don't expect you to agree. ethnic cleansing. i don't expect you to auree. ~ ., ethnic cleansing. i don't expect you to aree. ~ . ,, . to agree. with all due respect, we have to remember _ to agree. with all due respect, we have to remember what _ to agree. with all due respect, we| have to remember what happened. saturday morning, more than 2000

murderous terrorists stormed israeli towns, murdered children, decapitated children, murdered women, burned hundreds of people alive. we haven't seen atrocities like that since the holocaust. israel has the right to defend itself and we are going into gaza and destroy this organisation and the only way to really keep society safe is by moving them south as possible. i think almost everyone who has spoken on possible. i think almost everyone who has spoken— possible. i think almost everyone who has soken ., ., , who has spoken on the left-hand side from president _ who has spoken on the left-hand side from president biden _ who has spoken on the left-hand side from president biden to _ who has spoken on the left-hand side from president biden to the _ who has spoken on the left-hand side from president biden to the british i from president biden to the british prime minister have fully endorsed israel's right to defend itself. i guess the question about this is the human cost and the democratic values mentioned by president biden today. he said something else, the overwhelming majority of palestinians had nothing to do with hamas. ~ ., ., ,

hamas. well, we have to remember the palestinians chose _ palestinians chose democratically hamas. in palestinians chose democratically hamas. :: :: ~ palestinians chose democratically hamas- yes. _ palestinians chose democratically hamas.- yes, they - palestinians chose democratically j hamas.- yes, they chose palestinians chose democratically - hamas.- yes, they chose the hamas. in 2006. yes, they chose the organisation- — hamas. in 2006. yes, they chose the organisation. we _ hamas. in 2006. yes, they chose the organisation. we handed _ hamas. in 2006. yes, they chose the organisation. we handed them - hamas. in 2006. yes, they chose the organisation. we handed them the i organisation. we handed them the gaza strip. really, with the hope that they would build a life. and a year later, the same society chooses this murderous organisation to lead them. so, yes, they do have responsibility for the fact that hamas is leading. not all of them. there are many innocent people. for that reason we want them to move south. ., , , that reason we want them to move south. .,, , ,, �* that reason we want them to move south. , �* ., ,, ., south. lastly, you're talking about a hue south. lastly, you're talking about a huge military — south. lastly, you're talking about a huge military operation - south. lastly, you're talking about a huge military operation and - south. lastly, you're talking about a huge military operation and i- a huge military operation and i think you're accepting that they could be heavy casualties. will has polymer entered the war at that point? —— will hezbollah enter the war? i point? -- will hezbollah enter the war? ~ ., . war? i think iran decided strategically _ war? i think iran decided strategically to - war? i think iran decided strategically to launch i war? i think iran decided i strategically to launch this war? i think iran decided - strategically to launch this attack with hamas while keeping has has

keeping hezbollah intact. so there is a reason why saturday morning hezbollah didn't attack simultaneously. and now, on top of that, because the understanding is that, because the understanding is that iran was trying to stop the process of building an alliance between the west, israel and the middle east, they saw it as something that undermines the needs of the us and now the us is sending warships and imposing a military threat on iran, the chances of hezbollah going into the war are not very high but we'll have to see. we never know. thank you forjoining us. i never know. thank you for “oining us. ., , never know. thank you for “oining us. ., , ., ., never know. thank you for “oining us. ., ., ., _ us. i hope we are now “oined by another guest. h randa siniora, who's the general director of the women's centre for legal

aid and counselling. this welcome to newsnight and i hope you can hear me. does it encourage you can hear me. does it encourage you when you are hearing reports tonight... good evening. i think there is a little bit of a delay. does it encourage you that the us is reported by fox news and some other outlets to be asking israel to delay this operation in gaza? what outlets to be asking israel to delay this operation in gaza? what really relieves me — this operation in gaza? what really relieves me is _ this operation in gaza? what really relieves me is to _ this operation in gaza? what really relieves me is to stop _ this operation in gaza? what really relieves me is to stop all— this operation in gaza? what really relieves me is to stop all this - relieves me is to stop all this horrendous military attack on the palestinian civilian population in the gaza strips. there is no doubt that 2.3 million palestinians now are running for their lives, they are running for their lives, they are in panic about the announcement the israeli military made to the civilian population of the gaza

strip to evacuate their homes, where to go. we know the gaza strip is a closed area, a very small area highly populated, and with no place to go, an open air prison that does not leave any place for people to evacuate, where to go, in the streets, to sleep in the open air. egypt? it streets, to sleep in the open air. er nt? , streets, to sleep in the open air. 5. -t? , ., streets, to sleep in the open air. er nt? , ., , ., , egypt? it is relieving to stop immediately _ egypt? it is relieving to stop immediately any _ egypt? it is relieving to stop immediately any military - egypt? it is relieving to stop i immediately any military attack egypt? it is relieving to stop - immediately any military attack and find a solution to this ongoing situation, because it is only causing casualties among women and children and the civilian population. children and the civilian population-— children and the civilian --oulation. . ., ., children and the civilian --oulation. ., . ., ., population. randa, you may not have heard it, but — population. randa, you may not have heard it, but the _ population. randa, you may not have heard it, but the last _ population. randa, you may not have heard it, but the last guest _ population. randa, you may not have heard it, but the last guest we - population. randa, you may not have heard it, but the last guest we a - heard it, but the last guest we a former israeli senior officer

suggested the people, the civilians should go temporarily to egypt. there is no temporarily and i heard him and don't agree with him at all. i agree with doctor mostafa that either of the people stay and this is genocide or the people leave and thenit is genocide or the people leave and then it is ethnic cleansing. israel had these plans earlier, we heard of them, and we definitely do not approve of them because the palestinian people are living on their own land and now they are being asked to evacuate another time. this is another catastrophe, it is ethnic cleansing to palestinians, it will not be temporary. we heard today that politicians were negotiating, there was the possibility of hosting the palestinians of the gaza strip in other countries, that is not happening. other countries, that is not happening-— other countries, that is not ha--~enin., , , happening. would you accept, sorry, we are nearly — happening. would you accept, sorry, we are nearly at _ happening. would you accept, sorry, we are nearly at an _ happening. would you accept, sorry, we are nearly at an end _ happening. would you accept, sorry, we are nearly at an end that - happening. would you accept, sorry, we are nearly at an end that i - happening. would you accept, sorry, we are nearly at an end that i have i we are nearly at an end that i have to ask one more question. would you accept that after the terrible

things that happened at the weekend, the removal of the hamas government is justified? the removal of the hamas government isjustified? i the removal of the hamas government is 'ustified? ., �* , , ., ,, isjustified? i don't speak politics. _ isjustified? i don't speak politics. i _ isjustified? i don't speak politics, i don't _ isjustified? i don't speak politics, i don't know - isjustified? i don't speak| politics, i don't know what isjustified? i don't speak- politics, i don't know what to say about that, i like to see the palestinian people unified and having a democratic process allowed, because we are not allowed to conduct our elections, and no matter what happens in israel, the so—called democracy, they are allowed to conduct elections and they conducted four elections in a very short period of time and they have chosen a right—wing government who is not willing to negotiate with the palestinians and find a just and durable solution to the israel palestine conflict, so what i say is we want to see itjust solution palestine conflict, so what i say is we want to see it just solution for the palestinian people who have been thrown out of their homeland 75 years ago. they witnessed the 1967 war where people were also displaced

either internally or externally, so what we want to see, we want to see... i what we want to see, we want to see... ., what we want to see, we want to see... . , ., ., , see... i am sorry that mac a 'ust resolution — see... i am sorry that mac a 'ust resolution to fl see... i am sorry that mac a 'ust resolution to the i see... i am sorry that mac a 'ust resolution to the conflict. h see... i am sorry that mac a just resolution to the conflict. thank| resolution to the conflict. thank you forjoining us. back to london. "we recognise there is the potential for increased tensions and are engaging and working with communities and partners to ensure people feel safe and protected." a quote from sussex police today . as the violence continues to escalate in israel and gaza — three jewish schools here were closed over security concerns, and a palestinian book festival was cancelled by its organisers who said the metropolitan police had advised them it could be unsafe for it to go ahead. some from thejewish and muslim communities are feeling vulnerable — and as the police said there are fears tensions could rise as the war continues. we've been speaking to people in hackney, in north east london

where there is a significant muslim and jewish population. earlier this week, pro—palestinian rallies outside the israeli embassy and downing street in london. thousands gathered, with some people saying they didn't feel safe among the crowds. there are fears among some that tension in the middle east could spill over to the uk, with people in thejewish and muslim communities conveying a sense of vulnerability. today, threejewish schools were closed over fears of safety with one of the head teachers saying he couldn't protect against a lone wolf attack. it's worth reminding ourselves that even before this happened, if your place of worship is a synagogue, if your place of education is a jewish school, you already require increased security, so it's important to understand how serious concerns may be for them to close the schools. and several muslim women have also told us they feel unprotected and are being subjected to name—calling and prejudice. a woman who wouldn't go on camera said she was called a terrorist

outside her local supermarket. in hackney in north—east london a woman of muslim faith conveyed her frustration at the conflict, saying she lives peacefully with herjewish neighbours. the media portraysjust the one side and then, like, whereas there are two sides to a story. one hand can't clap, right? if you see around here, stamford hill, muslims and jews were living, like, together, peacefully. and we have no fights. and i actually prefer this neighbourhood to any other neighbourhood. like them i feel at peace, living with the jews. one british rabbi who works with the police to combat hate crime says it's important to convey unity at this time. everybody is in shock. everyone feels personally wounded by the events that we have witnessed in the middle east. everyone is disgusted.

and we all, that'sjews and muslims, muslims and jews, stand shoulder to shoulder together and that has been reiterated time and again by my muslim interlocutors. that we stand shoulder to shoulder together in making sure that these types of behaviour will not be replicated and will not continue. over the weekend, more protests are scheduled to take place, with the police on heightened alert. we are acutely aware of real emotion, real fear across many communities in london. we've seen a significant increase in anti—semitic hate crime and hate incidents. we've seen an increase in islamophobic incidents. not to the same extent, but that is reflective of what is happening in the communities. we've got a significant community policing operation in place with over 1000 officers.

an end to the death and violence and fearand suffering... at wembley tonight there was a moment of silence for the deaths of innocents on both sides of the conflict. the fa decided on a neutral approach and refused to light up the wembley arch in israeli colours. that's in contrast to downing street's approach, and different to what the fa did at wembley after the invasion of ukraine. although the war is thousands of miles away, its ties to the uk are strong, with people here understandably feeling deeply affected by what's happening. of course nobody speaks for one group of people — and we're very much aware of that. there are so many perspectives on this sensitive situation and it's impossible to reflect all views. but we've got two people on the line who are willing to share their views

on how communities are feeling — and what can be done to ease some of that tension. they are mona siddiqui — professor of islamic and interreligious studies at the university of edinburgh. and journalist hadley freeman, who's been writing about the impact on british jewish communities. thank you so much forjoining me this evening. we are almost a week on from the start of all of this and it has been an incredibly challenging week for so many people in so many communities. can i start off by asking you, hadley, how are you feeling?— you feeling? i am fine, thank you very much. _ you feeling? i am fine, thank you very much. but — you feeling? i am fine, thank you very much. but i _ you feeling? i am fine, thank you very much, but i have _ you feeling? i am fine, thank you very much, but i have never - you feeling? i am fine, thank you i very much, but i have never actually had a week— very much, but i have never actually had a week like this, i have never heard _ had a week like this, i have never heard from — had a week like this, i have never heard from so many britishjewish friends, _ heard from so many britishjewish friends, texting each other saying how anxious we are about sending their— how anxious we are about sending their children to hebrew schools, to their children to hebrew schools, to the jewish— their children to hebrew schools, to the jewish schools that they go to, and also _

the jewish schools that they go to, and also really angry grumblings about— and also really angry grumblings about the perceived lack of support we get _ about the perceived lack of support we get from our non—jewish friends. why aren't _ we get from our non—jewish friends. why aren't at their israeli flags on windows— why aren't at their israeli flags on windows as their rn ukrainian flags and when _ windows as their rn ukrainian flags and when those around us? why is there _ and when those around us? why is there this — and when those around us? why is there this condemnation? babies were found burned, women were raped, and there is— found burned, women were raped, and there is a _ found burned, women were raped, and there is a feeling that there is a disqualified empathy for what happened in israel because israel is seen as— happened in israel because israel is seen as an — happened in israel because israel is seen as an oppressor and i think a lot of— seen as an oppressor and i think a lot of people don't really know how to handle _ lot of people don't really know how to handle this, but this is a human tragedy— to handle this, but this is a human tragedy on — to handle this, but this is a human tragedy on both sides and what is happening in gaza now and what is happening — happening in gaza now and what is happening in gaza now and what is happening in israel deserve sympathy from everyone. i happening in israel deserve sympathy from everyone-— happening in israel deserve sympathy from everyone. i know some people in the muslim community _ from everyone. i know some people in the muslim community are _ from everyone. i know some people in the muslim community are also i the muslim community are also feeling fearful but also horrified by the events that have taken place? absolutely, and i think we should be careful that we don't make this a very simplistic binary between dues

and muslims, there are lots of palestinian christians as well in both israel and gaza in the west bank. for me, the main issue here is there is so much grief, so much the feelings of wounded and this, and as a rabbi very eloquently said, they can stand together. that is also the reality of life in the west, but my biggest gripe is with our leadership. we in the west have the luxury of being able to sit back in relative comfort and have all kinds of views. social media has shown us how vicious this particular conflict is and how vicious people can become, really attacking people on both sides, but our leadership should be doing more things to make communities feel more valued. like what? the rhetoric _ communities feel more valued. like what? the rhetoric itself _ communities feel more valued. like what? the rhetoric itself matters i what? the rhetoric itself matters because on _ what? the rhetoric itself matters because on the _ what? the rhetoric itself matters because on the one _ what? the rhetoric itself matters because on the one side - what? the rhetoric itself matters because on the one side our i because on the one side our

leadership is saying we defend, we give israel the right or we support israel's right to defend itself. fantastic, israel does have the right to defend itself but what after? what does it really mean and what does happen after the israeli defence force goes into gaza? and i think for so long this has been such a fractious and will continue to be a fractious and will continue to be a fractious conflict that it is very easy for leaders to be overtly supporting of things but not actually come down to the brass tacks of how we bring communities and sides together. we tacks of how we bring communities and sides together.— tacks of how we bring communities and sides together. we heard humza yousaf today — and sides together. we heard humza yousaf today saying _ and sides together. we heard humza yousaf today saying that _ and sides together. we heard humza yousaf today saying that he - and sides together. we heard humza yousaf today saying that he felt i and sides together. we heard humza yousaf today saying that he felt the i yousaf today saying that he felt the uk government is not valuing palestinian lives of the same way it is valuing israeli lives. do you think that is a fair statement? i think that is a fair statement? i think the issue is not palestinian lives _ think the issue is not palestinian lives over— think the issue is not palestinian lives over israeli lives, it is the fact that — lives over israeli lives, it is the fact that hamas is the one who carried — fact that hamas is the one who carried out these attacks. this is

not an— carried out these attacks. this is not an argument with the palestinian people _ not an argument with the palestinian people although the palestinian people — people although the palestinian people are suffering enormously now. this was _ people are suffering enormously now. this was a _ people are suffering enormously now. this was a terrorist attack on israel — this was a terrorist attack on israel. hamas is a terrorist organisation and its founding charter— organisation and its founding charter is _ organisation and its founding charter is aboutjewish organisation and its founding charter is about jewish genocide. of course _ charter is about jewish genocide. of course israel will respond in whatever— course israel will respond in whatever way it responds and western leaders _ whatever way it responds and western leaders will _ whatever way it responds and western leaders will ultimately throw their support— leaders will ultimately throw their support behind israel. in fact, i think— support behind israel. in fact, i think america has urged a certain degree _ think america has urged a certain degree of— think america has urged a certain degree of caution because we have seen the _ degree of caution because we have seen the results from 911 when america — seen the results from 911 when america went charging in for revenge and look— america went charging in for revenge and look what happened, and america knows _ and look what happened, and america knows that, _ and look what happened, and america knows that, britain knows that, most western _ knows that, britain knows that, most western countries are aware of that and i_ western countries are aware of that and i think— western countries are aware of that and i think most israelis are aware of that— and i think most israelis are aware of that which is why they call it israet's — of that which is why they call it israel's 911. they don't want it to end up— israel's 911. they don't want it to end up as — israel's 911. they don't want it to end up as a _ israel's 911. they don't want it to end up as a massive war, this disproportionate if one can even say that response that ends up with more and more _ that response that ends up with more and more civilian casualties. what they want— and more civilian casualties. what they want is a targeted response that will— they want is a targeted response that will end this terrorism by hamas — that will end this terrorism by hamas. ~ ., ., that will end this terrorism by

hamas. a, ., i. that will end this terrorism by hamas. ., i. , , that will end this terrorism by hamas. ., ,, ., ., ., hamas. mona, you spent a lot of your career looking — hamas. mona, you spent a lot of your career looking into _ hamas. mona, you spent a lot of your career looking into interfaith - career looking into interfaith relations and how significant a moment this is. i'm asking you how significant a test as it for those relationships? i significant a test as it for those relationships?— significant a test as it for those relationships? i think the reality on the ground. _ relationships? i think the reality on the ground, both _ relationships? i think the reality on the ground, both in - relationships? i think the reality on the ground, both in israel i relationships? i think the reality| on the ground, both in israel and gaza and let say the uk and many european countries is far more complex than some of the mainstream media would allow this to believe. there are lots of friendships and lots of neighbourhood loyalties with different communities. but because this is such a long running conflict and because it brings together all aspects which touch on emotional lives, land, history and scripture, you almost need to just step back and think, the political language has not been able to resolve this. we need a different kind of moral imagination and i think western leaders should really be involved in that. ., ., “ leaders should really be involved in that. ., ., , ., ,, ., that. how do you think the two communities _ that. how do you think the two communities now _ that. how do you think the two communities now come - that. how do you think the two i communities now come together? is there hope because as this war

escalates and carries on,