tv Verified Live BBC News October 17, 2023 4:30pm-5:01pm BST
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israel's military says its operations will continue. they released an unprecedented attack on our civilians. carnage, babies, kidnapped grandmothers. we don't have to justify what we're doing now. and we speak to the charity that's recovered hundreds of bodies from the music festival attacked by hamas. more now on our main news. a million palestinians are in need of fuel and water.
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these suffering and tragedy stories are in every corner, every person you are meeting, whether it he is a doctor struggling to find a couple of hours to sleep, whether he is a businessman who has left big business behind in gaza city and has to live with his family, has to live in a shelter or school. you go there and you find a queue of people just waiting for hours to get five pieces of bread. there is not enough for the 50 people and the family they are evacuating with. you go there and you find someone is begging to buy water, but water is not available. israel resumed bombing the water area today. there is no electricity to run and stop pumping the electricity to the houses. 90% of the houses in the south of gaza which is accommodating now over two thirds of the gaza strip overall population, they don't have water. they have to buy water.
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un, you know, big tankers, they transferred the water from other parts of the city, the most populated areas here in the centre and people queue to fill the water. i was told from that doctor in the hospital earlier that they give every patient 300ml of water every day because they don't know for how long they can, israel will keep the border crossing shut. yesterday there was some hope, people were a bit optimistic when they heard egypt would reopen rafah crossing and allow humanitarian aid to gaza but very quickly they were back to believing this will not happen easy. and they have to find a way to manage the very little resources of water and some fuel left. the hospital here said they are going to run out of fuel tonight at midnight and all the operations, this is the second biggest city, the second biggest hospital, and the hospital which is supposed to be servicing two thirds
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of the population will be shut down by midnight. international law has been mentioned many times in recent days linked to what we're seeing in this war. so with more on this let's go to one of the founding prosecutors for the international criminal court, luis moreno ocampo, whojoins me from sao paulo. thank you so much for your time. how concerned have you been by what you have seen in the last ten days? it is highly frustrating, because hamas committed a genocide against the israeli people, but now israel ask —— answering violence with more violence. they are creating conditions for palestinians in gaza like this is a genocide as well. you
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cannot go from genocide to genocide and war should bejustice. there cannot go from genocide to genocide and war should be justice.— and war should be “ustice. there is honestl a and war should be “ustice. there is honestly a very — and war should be justice. there is honestly a very particular - honestly a very particular definition for genocide and i don't want to get into that here, but israel said it had the right to protect itself, self defence under international law, that is what they say they are doing here. yes. international law, that is what they say they are doing here. yes, israel is riaht say they are doing here. yes, israel is right and — say they are doing here. yes, israel is right and they — say they are doing here. yes, israel is right and they have _ say they are doing here. yes, israel is right and they have the _ say they are doing here. yes, israel is right and they have the right - say they are doing here. yes, israel is right and they have the right to l is right and they have the right to defend itself and attack hamas, but they have no right to starve civilians and displaced people. it's not right to display civilians, that is the problem and for hamas it is a problem, because they are shielding behind the population, but israel cannot destroy the shield of the civilian population. figs cannot destroy the shield of the civilian population.— cannot destroy the shield of the civilian population. as well as self defence, under _ civilian population. as well as self defence, under the _ civilian population. as well as self defence, under the principle - civilian population. as well as self defence, under the principle of i defence, under the principle of proportionality, the country has the right to end an attack but also
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critically to remove the threat, and when you talk to israeli officials, the last phrase i used, removing the threat and that is what they say they are doing here with hamas. fine they are doing here with hamas. one thin the they are doing here with hamas. ole thing the hamas they are doing here with hamas. (me thing the hamas combatants they are doing here with hamas. ij: thing the hamas combatants have the palestinians living there but those billions are not hamas. they cannot be attacked and they are displaced now, that is a crime. and starving them could be a genocide, that is them could be a genocide, that is the problem. israel has the right to defend but in accordance with the law. displacing civilians and killing civilians and starving the population is illegal. so the method is the problem. ifully population is illegal. so the method is the problem. i fully respect israel's right to protect itself and we should stop hamas. we should put them injail, but killing civilians is not the answer.
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them in jail, but killing civilians is not the answer.— them in jail, but killing civilians is not the answer. apologies, the line is occasionally _ is not the answer. apologies, the line is occasionally breaking - is not the answer. apologies, the line is occasionally breaking up, i line is occasionally breaking up, they say for example that they've told people to leave certain areas for their own protection and safety as opposed to clearing an area. there is that as an israeli argument, and israel is not a member of the icc, so in terms of where this goes, how much of a problem is that? ., , , this goes, how much of a problem is that? a, , , , a, that? two things. first they are tra ed that? two things. first they are trapped in _ that? two things. first they are trapped in gaza _ that? two things. first they are trapped in gaza and _ that? two things. first they are trapped in gaza and there - that? two things. first they are trapped in gaza and there is - that? two things. first they are trapped in gaza and there is no | trapped in gaza and there is no escape. gaza is a concentration camp. they have closed the exit, so there is nowhere to go. second question, the palestinian authority were fighting for ii question, the palestinian authority were fighting for 11 years and became a state party after the un recognised a palestinian state and the judge confirmed recognised a palestinian state and thejudge confirmed in recognised a palestinian state and the judge confirmed in 2021 that guysin
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the judge confirmed in 2021 that guys injerusalem and the one area are part of palestine, and although crimes committed in that like hamas, committed in gaza or ramallah are crimes and the prosecutors could investigate crimes.— crimes and the prosecutors could investigate crimes. sorry that the line is slightly _ investigate crimes. sorry that the line is slightly giving _ investigate crimes. sorry that the line is slightly giving out - investigate crimes. sorry that the line is slightly giving out on - investigate crimes. sorry that the line is slightly giving out on you, | line is slightly giving out on you, but thanks for those reflections as we continue to address so many different strands of this crisis. thanks so much forjoining us on bbc news. let's turn back to the various diplomatic efforts going on to contain this war. turkey says a peace summit is planned in egypt. while king abdullah ofjordan is in berlin, where he's had talks with chancellor 0laf scholz. he's said that as long as efforts to find a long—term political solution fail, the cycle of violence will continue.
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that is one leg of the diplomacy and we have also looked at that other critical leg and we will see so much of it tomorrow, the visit byjoe biden to tel aviv and the wider region. what is the latest you are hearing about the crucial trip from the president? it about the crucial trip from the president?— about the crucial trip from the president? , ., , ., ., president? it will be a short one and he will _ president? it will be a short one and he will visit _ president? it will be a short one and he will visit tel— president? it will be a short one and he will visit tel aviv - president? it will be a short one and he will visit tel aviv and - president? it will be a short one | and he will visit tel aviv and then for a few hours he will then go to meet with arab leaders there. the goals of it were laid out clearly by the secretary of state, that he would show solidarity and commitment to israeli security. the strongest message of us support so far which has been extraordinarily strong already and he is going there to reinforce the message of avoiding escalation and that is largely a message to iran and the armed groups not to get involved in the fight and that has been backed up by a lot of us military hardware in the region
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in a deterrent pose, and he also asking the israelis, what is the strategy and aim of the operation because the americans strongly support the idea that hamas should be given a punishing and forceful blow that it cannot look as if it wins the conflict and they are behind the israelis on that but they have an eye on the day after and if it is as punishing for palestinian civilians as it has been, and even more so that they are afraid that arab states will not be able to work with israel and it will be difficult to come up with a solution to the conditions that were behind the attack, so those are the kinds of things that president biden will talk about and they will emphasise the humanitarian situation, especially after mr blink and did a
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tour of arab countries and they told him that was their chief concern. briefly we had the announcement that 200 or so us personnel are being put on heightened alert and we know about the aircraft carriers in the region. tell us more, what does the alert mean in real speak? it region. tell us more, what does the alert mean in real speak?— alert mean in real speak? it means they would — alert mean in real speak? it means they would be _ alert mean in real speak? it means they would be prepared _ alert mean in real speak? it means they would be prepared to - alert mean in real speak? it means they would be prepared to move i alert mean in real speak? it means they would be prepared to move if| they would be prepared to move if they would be prepared to move if they had to move. they've not been deployed and it's getting forces ready because the situation is fluid and it's not at all clear they would be in combat and pentagon officials have said they are more likely to be serving in an advisory or medical role but they've not been deployed and it's part of getting the warships, the troops in position in case they are needed.— warships, the troops in position in case they are needed. thanks very much, case they are needed. thanks very much. and — case they are needed. thanks very much. andjust— case they are needed. thanks very much, and just in _ case they are needed. thanks very much, and just in terms _ case they are needed. thanks very much, and just in terms of- case they are needed. thanks very much, and just in terms of the - much, and just in terms of the latest from the region, the gaza health officials, and and they will
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die under the bombardment, 12,500 people injured, so some of the latest details. we will take a short break, but when i come back i will be talking to a charity that is there in israel that is retrieving those people killed in the hamas attacks retrieving the bodies, so that interview coming up live next on bbc news. this is the worlds first techno sport, wearing a handset, three players per team try to hit their opponents as many times as they can during intense 82nd matches. pap it during intense 82nd matches. pop it over our during intense 82nd matches. pop it over your head _ during intense 82nd matches. pop it over your head like _ during intense 82nd matches. pop it over your head like this _ during intense 82nd matches. pop it over your head like this for - during intense 82nd matches. pop it over your head like this for me. - over your head like this for me. that might lead people to think this
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people have to make choices like whether they should stay in their homes or health they ration the food and water and how they sleep because they are accommodating each other and a home with a capacity of five or ten has to accommodate 100. people have to make choices. do they do their dialysis, do they continue cancer treatment? do their dialysis, do they continue cancertreatment? it do their dialysis, do they continue cancer treatment? it is unimaginable what is happening. what is your assessment of the diplomatic status at the moment? [30 diplomatic status at the moment? drr you see any progress? we are hoping for progress soon and we see a lot of international traffic in that direction and we are engaging in the present will be meeting present biden and their will be a meeting with the us secretary of state and
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the regional actors that we are engaging as the palestinian liberation organisation and as the state of palestine government, we see efforts by egypt and jordan and his majesty will be meeting the prime minister, so there is a lot of movement in that direction but these diplomatic efforts should not have been needed in the first place. nobody should be diplomatically calling for humanitarian corridors and the opening of the passage. and these diplomats leaders should be calling for a solution right now. the bar is very low.— calling for a solution right now. the bar is very low. more of that interview later _ the bar is very low. more of that interview later in _ the bar is very low. more of that interview later in the _ the bar is very low. more of that. interview later in the programme. in the next few moments. —— in a moment we'll speak to yossi landau, the southern israel commander for zaka, an israeli search and rescue organisation. but, before we go to that interview — a warning that some of the detail
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and accounts we will hear are likely to be both graphic and disturbing. if you'd rather not hear that, perhaps step away for the next few minutes. thank you so much for being here. i wanted to ask you what is the last ten days been like? i do not know what should happen.— ten days been like? i do not know what should happen. very, very, very terrible. what should happen. very, very, very terrible- we — what should happen. very, very, very terrible. we have _ what should happen. very, very, very terrible. we have passed _ what should happen. very, very, very terrible. we have passed through, . what should happen. very, very, very| terrible. we have passed through, me and my— terrible. we have passed through, me and my team, we had over 700 bodies and my team, we had over 700 bodies and me _ and my team, we had over 700 bodies and me and _ and my team, we had over 700 bodies and me and my team have seen them for the _ and me and my team have seen them for the last_ and me and my team have seen them for the last ten days and that's not including _ for the last ten days and that's not including terrorists that we treated almost _ including terrorists that we treated almost the same way like civilians,
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because _ almost the same way like civilians, because that is our part in this. this_ because that is our part in this. this is— because that is our part in this. this is what— because that is our part in this. this is what we have to do. and this is our— this is what we have to do. and this is our organisation of that. i rdrill is our organisation of that. i will ask ou is our organisation of that. i will ask you more — is our organisation of that. i will ask you more about _ is our organisation of that. i will ask you more about that. - is our organisation of that. i will ask you more about that. i - is our organisation of that. i will ask you more about that. i ask i is our organisation of that. iuh ii. ask you more about that. i ask you to respect the remains of families. so that is why you do this work, but over the last ten days you must have seen things that you never believed you would ever witness.— you would ever witness. correct. i saw they butchered _ you would ever witness. correct. i saw they butchered pregnant - you would ever witness. correct. i - saw they butchered pregnant woman, butchered, _ saw they butchered pregnant woman, butchered, the stomach was butchered while butchered, the stomach was butchered white the _ butchered, the stomach was butchered while the baby was connected to the cord and _ while the baby was connected to the cord and stabbed. the mother was shot in_ cord and stabbed. the mother was shot in the — cord and stabbed. the mother was shot in the head, from the back, and isaw— shot in the head, from the back, and i saw families that were murdered,
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slaughtered and children with their parents _ slaughtered and children with their parents together and i saw torturing. i saw burned bodies while they were _ torturing. i saw burned bodies while they were alive. i saw... i torturing. i saw burned bodies while they were alive. i saw. . ._ they were alive. i saw... i read somewhere... _ they were alive. i saw... i read somewhere... i— they were alive. i saw... i read somewhere... i saw _ they were alive. i saw... i read somewhere... i saw bodies - they were alive. i saw... i readl somewhere... i saw bodies with cho ed somewhere... i saw bodies with chopped off _ somewhere... i saw bodies with chopped off heads. _ somewhere... i saw bodies with chopped off heads. i _ somewhere... i saw bodies with chopped off heads. i read - somewhere... i saw bodies with - chopped off heads. i read somewhere that ou chopped off heads. i read somewhere that you said — chopped off heads. i read somewhere that you said you _ chopped off heads. i read somewhere that you said you could _ chopped off heads. i read somewhere that you said you could see _ chopped off heads. i read somewhere that you said you could see bodies . that you said you could see bodies where they were telling stories. you've already been incredibly graphic, but you could tell something by the way you discovered the bodies, could you?— the bodies, could you? that's correct and — the bodies, could you? that's correct and that _ the bodies, could you? that's correct and that is _ the bodies, could you? that's correct and that is what - the bodies, could you? that's- correct and that is what happened. usually— correct and that is what happened. usually i_ correct and that is what happened. usually i am used to bodies and i've been _ usually i am used to bodies and i've been doing — usually i am used to bodies and i've been doing this for 33 years. and i've been doing this for 33 years. and i've seen— been doing this for 33 years. and i've seen everything in the world, but, _ i've seen everything in the world, but. no, — i've seen everything in the world, but, no, now, when we came in those bodies _ but, no, now, when we came in those bodies were _ but, no, now, when we came in those bodies were talking to us. it wasn't
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talking, _ bodies were talking to us. it wasn't talking, actually, but we felt the bodies _ talking, actually, but we felt the bodies were talking and telling the story we _ bodies were talking and telling the story we should know and asking us to treat _ story we should know and asking us to treat them with the full respect and it— to treat them with the full respect and it was— to treat them with the full respect and it was terrible. it was terrible _ and it was terrible. it was terrible. it is something that... every— terrible. it is something that... every detail sounds excruciating to have gone through and i note that you made the point that the deaths at the festival were different to the deaths at the kibbutz where there were clear signs of torture, and you have described that butjust tell me, you mentioned in your earlier answer that you also retrieve the bodies of the militants. how difficult was that?
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they are not militants, they are terrorists — they are not militants, they are terrorists. not militants, terrorists. not militants, terrorists. and it's very difficult, but we _ terrorists. and it's very difficult, but we are — terrorists. and it's very difficult, but we are doing it. because they were _ but we are doing it. because they were created from god, so we treat them _ were created from god, so we treat them as— were created from god, so we treat them as a _ were created from god, so we treat them as a god creation. and that is what _ them as a god creation. and that is what we _ them as a god creation. and that is what we do — them as a god creation. and that is what we do with everybody, we will never _ what we do with everybody, we will never take — what we do with everybody, we will never take a body and the horrible things— never take a body and the horrible things that — never take a body and the horrible things that were done to the bodies, it is like _ things that were done to the bodies, it is like that is the worst. i don't — it is like that is the worst. i don't think isis did it. they had the whole _ don't think isis did it. they had the whole time, they had the maps, the whole time, they had the maps, the instructions, what to do to take a father, _ the instructions, what to do to take a father, mother and three children and make _ a father, mother and three children and make them put together and then burn them _ and make them put together and then burn them while they are alive. i
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know you've done this work over 33 years all over the world, so a final thought in terms of you and your team, we only have a minute left. in terms of how you cope with what you have been through and your team, how much help you getting? yes. have been through and your team, how much help you getting?— much help you getting? yes, we are caettin much help you getting? yes, we are getting help. _ much help you getting? yes, we are getting help. but — much help you getting? yes, we are getting help, but now— much help you getting? yes, we are getting help, but now is _ much help you getting? yes, we are getting help, but now is not - much help you getting? yes, we are getting help, but now is not the - getting help, but now is not the time _ getting help, but now is not the time for— getting help, but now is not the time for help. we will get the full help first — time for help. we will get the full help first of all when... i don't have _ help first of all when... i don't have to — help first of all when... i don't have to ask— help first of all when... i don't have to ask for it and i will get it, have to ask for it and i will get it. but— have to ask for it and i will get it. but we _ have to ask for it and i will get it, but we have to finish our mission _ it, but we have to finish our mission now. the mission is still not finished. when everything is done, _ not finished. when everything is done, we'll know the mission is done and then— done, we'll know the mission is done and then we — done, we'll know the mission is done and then we will have time, but right— and then we will have time, but right now— and then we will have time, but right now we don't have time for ourselves — right now we don't have time for ourselves i_ right now we don't have time for ourselves. i am right now we don't have time for ourselves. lam sorry. right now we don't have time for ourselves. i am sorry. we have to seek— ourselves. i am sorry. we have to seek the — ourselves. i am sorry. we have to seek the families, we have to look out for— seek the families, we have to look out for the — seek the families, we have to look out for the families and look out for our— out for the families and look out for our brothers and sisters. |
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out for the families and look out for our brothers and sisters. i have to end there _ for our brothers and sisters. i have to end there because _ for our brothers and sisters. i have to end there because we _ for our brothers and sisters. i have to end there because we are - for our brothers and sisters. i have to end there because we are out i for our brothers and sisters. i have to end there because we are out of time, but thank you so much for your time. you're watching bbc news. a very difficult interview there with yossi landau, describing some of the things he and his team have gone through as they've retrieved bodies over ten or 11 days and you heard him right at the end of the interview saying that still the work was not completed. sojust interview saying that still the work was not completed. so just a snapshot that the team is still doing on the ground. leaders from the muslim, jewish and christian faiths have come together in a show of solidarity, urging communities across the uk to stand together against hatred, against the backdrop of the israel gaza conflict. sheikh ibrahim mogra, the archbishop of canterburyjustin welby and rabbi jonathan wittenberg delivered a joint statement outside lambeth palace, speaking out against all forms of hate.
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today, we have come together out of shared concern for our communities and neighborhoods here in the uk. we stand together to express our shared commitment to protecting the relationship between our communities. british muslims and jews have much in common. we are both on the side of life. we share a deep concern— for the welfare of everyone and pray for a better future for all. amen. from the story here in a moment or two and the latest from the correspondence on the ground and the teams across israel and also gaza, and we will also get more international reaction. let's turn
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to the next couple of minutes to a few stories in the uk making headlines. the average wage has risen higher than the rate of inflation for the first time in nearly two years. new figures show salaries rose at an annual rate of nearly 8% betweenjune and august — though there is a big gap between public and private sector, and many people are still feeling the squeeze, as our cost of living correspondent colleta smith reports from the calder valley. after years of sky—high price rises and low wage growth, today's figures show a different picture. average wages powered up above price increases this summer. since i first met corrie six months ago, she's had a pay rise. it was nice to be acknowledged and be able to see that, all right, 0k, to have that wage going up. but i don't think anybody�*s noticed their wage equalling out to the cost of expenses right now. if anything, it's about the same standard of living. i've not noticed there's an extra
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bit of money flying around. corrie is a lunchtime supervisor at this primary school, earning the national living wage, which increased in april. but over the summer it was people who worked in banking, business services and manufacturing that saw the biggestjump in pay. that's pulled up the average figure, so not everyone's feeling the benefit. i've had a pay increase by around 5% since, i think it was in april. but it's not really touched the sides. hannah works full—time for an it recruitment company. things like child benefit, obviously when you hit a certain wage, that's something that's affected us quite recently, which we weren't really aware of. and obviously it's quite a significant amount, when you've got two children. so you were getting that child benefit and then now you don't? yeah. my husband got a pay rise and now i don't get child benefits. today's figures are still a look in the rear—view mirror, and it's unlikely that wages have continued to grow at this
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speed through the autumn. people are still going to be feeling less well off now. than they were a couple of years ago, and taxes are rising. - that's pushing household incomes down as well. i the worry — this sounds like great i news, but the worry is that the bank of england's going to be looking at these wage increases - and thinking, do we actually even need to put interest rates up i a bit higher? and that's going to cause more financial pain for those already trying to stretch out the extra pay. it's not going towards things like holidays or days out or things like that. it's going towards the electricity, petrol, food shop, and things that you don't really sort of get any enjoyment orjoy out of. it's just day to day living. colletta smith, bbc news, in stainland. we will pause and we will be back here at 5pm with the latest. benjamin netanyahu hasjust been giving a press conference and we will get the latest from pinna and the latest international reaction
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and we will also hear from the un agency on the ground in gaza giving us the latest assessment as those casualty figures top 3000 deaths. all of that is after the weather. hello. there's no two ways about it. horrible weather is on the way. it won't be awful absolutely everywhere. but most of us are in for at least some heavy rain and strong winds. a really unpleasant picture, proper autumn weather. now this is the satellite picture. and here we have storm babette just spinning around to the west of portugal. the weather fronts are now extending to the north. some of this is already rain bearing cloud. and this is a complicated weather map. over the coming days, we will see multiple weather fronts sweeping across the uk and indeed other parts of europe, bringing doses of very heavy rain and flooding rain across some parts of the uk. and on top of that, some gale force winds as well. now, this is the rainfall accumulation as the days go by.
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so wednesday through thursday and into friday, initially the rain starts in the south and then it'll peak around eastern parts of scotland, but also the north and the north east of england. those lime green colours indicate rainfall in excess of 100 millimetres. now the forecast then through the evening and night actually shows fairly quiet weather across the bulk of scotland, england and wales, but rain already reaching northern ireland. and by the early hours of wednesday, i think showers gather in the south and the southwest. it's relatively mild, around 9 to 12 degrees celsius, relatively mild atlantic air. so tomorrow, rain clouds in the southwest. some of these will be thunderstorms, rain expected in northern ireland. that could be heavy. the winds really strengthen, particularly out of the east or the southeast. these are gusts of wind, but the weather across the bulk of central and northern england as well as scotland, not bad at all and quite mild on the thermometer around the mid teens to perhaps 16 or 17. but the winds will be strengthening so it won't feel like it. here's that heavy rain through wednesday evening, really quite torrential at times.
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again, some cracks of thunder. and then wednesday night into thursday, that weather front moves northwards and then crucially, it actually aligns itself with that east southeasterly wind. so those winds will keep pushing the rain clouds into the north east of england and scotland. now, there could be really a lot of rain in parts of eastern scotland causing flooding disruption. it's prompted the met office to issue an amber warning at worse, 200 millimetres of rain over a couple of days in the upland areas.
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international aid organisations — and pleas to allow supplies in. israel's military says the operations will continue. i'm saying there's no humanitarian crisis. we've asked people to move. we don't have to justify what doing there. as israel prepares for its ground offensive — the us announces that president biden will visit tel aviv tomorrow. it will make the road united to defeat the nazis, this is the road united to defeat isis the world has to stand united with israel to defeat hamas. the mother of a french—israeli hostage begs for her daughter's release after seeing a video of her posted by hamas. she looks very terrified. she looks like she's in big pain.
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