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notjust yet. notjust not just yet. not just yet. happen? not “ust yet. not “ust yet. the sieae happen? not “ust yet. not “ust yet. the siege on i happen? notjust yet. not “ust yet. the siege on the h happen? notjust yet. not “ust yet. the siege on the gaza _ happen? notjust yet. notjust yet. the siege on the gaza strip - the siege on the gaza strip continues for the 11th day and the siege on the gaza strip must be lifted so that they are able to bring in much—needed humanitarian supplies, all humanitarian agencies who work in gaza. we would like to ask for this siege to be lifted. we are urging, urging for the siege to be lifted so that we can bring in much—needed supplies, including fuel so that water runs back into gaza was docked 2 million people, 2 million people do not have water in gaza and they are resorting to unsafe drinking water. we are going to have a health disaster soon in gaza if we do not have our humanitarian supplies going into gaza the people who need it most. the president was making the point
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that perhaps inspections would have to be done on the border in terms of staff crossing the borders. he said none of this must go to hamas. in your view and none of this must go to hamas. in yourview and in none of this must go to hamas. in your view and in your experience, are those things that can be sorted out relatively quickly or are those things that take quite a lot of time? ~ . ., , ., time? when it comes to it, we will brine in time? when it comes to it, we will bring in the _ time? when it comes to it, we will bring in the supplies _ time? when it comes to it, we will bring in the supplies ourselves. . time? when it comes to it, we will| bring in the supplies ourselves. our own un teams on the ground will distribute it to those in need. we have been doing this for many years. these are staff, they are accountable to serve the communities in need, and they will make sure that assistance gets to the people who need it most. in that assistance gets to the people who need it most.— that assistance gets to the people who need it most. in terms of what is there ready _ who need it most. in terms of what is there ready to _ who need it most. in terms of what is there ready to come _ who need it most. in terms of what is there ready to come in _ who need it most. in terms of what is there ready to come in on - who need it most. in terms of what is there ready to come in on the - is there ready to come in on the border, just give me an idea of what aid is there and how much of a difference it would make, potentially.— difference it would make, otentiall . . .
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potentially. the most important and ura ent potentially. the most important and urgent suwly _ potentially. the most important and urgent sunply is _ potentially. the most important and urgent supply is fuel _ potentially. the most important and urgent supply is fuel so _ potentially. the most important and urgent supply is fuel so that - potentially. the most important and urgent supply is fuel so that the - urgent supply is fuel so that the water can be turned back on in gaza. that is the most urgent. and then there is ever supplies, for example food. food is another commodity that is running out very quickly, not just in the market but also in our own warehouses, because prior to the war, we used to give food to 1.2 million people, and we have to resume the food distribution operation, and for that we need to replenish our supplies, and for that we need humanitarian access, and for that we need the siege to be lifted. and give me an idea, from your conversations with your colleagues on the ground, where are the areas that you are most can —— concerned about now? is it still be northern part of the gaza strip? is it with so many people have certainly
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displaced too? where is the greatest need? we displaced too? where is the greatest need? ~ . .,, displaced too? where is the greatest need? ~ . ., . need? we are hosting more than 500,000 need? we are hosting more than 500.000 people. _ need? we are hosting more than 500,000 people, who _ need? we are hosting more than 500,000 people, who are - need? we are hosting more than - 500,000 people, who are sheltering at un schools and other facilities. all of them need assistance. in addition to another 500,000. so a total of1 million people across the gaza strip are in need of assistance. they depend on the assistance. they depend on the assistance. and this is where the focus is going to be, on these1 million people spread across the gaza strip. i million people spread across the gaza stri -. ,, ., million people spread across the gaza strip-— gaza strip. i know when we talk esterda gaza strip. i know when we talk yesterday and _ gaza strip. i know when we talk yesterday and you _ gaza strip. i know when we talk yesterday and you have - gaza strip. i know when we talk. yesterday and you have indicated again that the corridor needs to open almost immediately. you have said that for days now. but if we do get a delay for three or four days, and week, what are the human consequences do you estimate? we are alread ve consequences do you estimate? we are already very late- _ consequences do you estimate? we are already very late. we _ consequences do you estimate? we are already very late. we are _ consequences do you estimate? we are already very late. we are already - already very late. we are already very late for the people of gaza.
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time is of the essence. humanitarian access needs to be given immediately so that organisations like ours are allowed to do their work. that they are allowed to provide for those who need us most. civilians who need us most. who have been impacted by the war since the 7th of october. immediately. we war since the 7th of october. immediately.— war since the 7th of october. immediately. war since the 7th of october. immediatel . ~ . ., . immediately. we have to leave it there but thanks _ immediately. we have to leave it there but thanks once _ immediately. we have to leave it there but thanks once again - immediately. we have to leave it there but thanks once again for l there but thanks once again for joining us live on our programme. let's consider where we are with frank gardner, i security correspondent. the president touched on all the areas as you would expect after those long meetings in tel aviv, but in terms of the intelligence that you are hearing in the broader region, what is the latest? ~ . the broader region, what is the latest? ~ , , . . latest? well, there is still a real fear that this _ latest? well, there is still a real fear that this could _ latest? well, there is still a real fear that this could escalate - latest? well, there is still a real| fear that this could escalate well beyond the boundaries of israel and the palestinian territories. that is
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a very big fear for the the palestinian territories. that is a very big fearfor the us. some would say that the presence of two us aircraft carrier strike groups just offshore in the eastern mediterranean is provocative. others would say that is a reassurance to israel. it is meant to be a deterrent to iran from joining in this. it is a really delicate situation because already, before this hospital explosion, which the rest of the region outside israel has no doubt it was israel to blame, although israel and its friends, the united states, israel is saying it is the palestinian islamicjihad that did it, but even before that happened, the region was tense and iran had issued two warnings, from its foreign minister and its supreme leader, that it would not stand idly by while palestinians are killed in gaza. israel has not even gone into
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gaza. israel has not even gone into gaza yet. things could get even worse in terms of the humanitarian picture and in terms of the regional tension. hezbollah is the main proxy, which is in lebanon with around 150,000 rockets and missiles at its disposal. it is an ally of iran, it is funded, trained and armed by iran. it does not want to get into a war at this time, but if things go on, it will feel it has to do something to support its brothers in hamas. fiend do something to support its brothers in hamas. �* ,, do something to support its brothers in hamas. �* i. . in hamas. and you reference the american carrier _ in hamas. and you reference the american carrier group, - in hamas. and you reference the american carrier group, the - in hamas. and you reference the l american carrier group, the efforts being put in place to deter any sort of actorjoining this, but are you hearing, or is there any intelligence, of seeing anything moving on the ground? there are reports that militia, from
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iraq, through syria, into lebanon, an unconfirmed report that one group, which is the same group in iraq, and iranian backed group, that kidnapped five britons years ago from a ministry in baghdad, four were killed and one survived, peter moore, the it technician, but the reason i am saying this is because iran does notjust have hezbollah, there are a number of iranian back she embellishes who have been fighting in syria, against rebels, and they battled hardened. so israel has a real problem if they start to enter on the northern front. that is one of the reasons why the us is trying to de—escalate this, and the first way to do that is too lower the tension, lower the fighting, get humanitarian aid in. and yet over the last 2a a ways we have seen
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almost the opposite in terms of direction of travel. going back to president biden, even before yesterday's hospital blast, the diplomatic path was so narrow and then after that hospital explosion, it is even narrower, isn't it? it is, and the thing is, eventually, that will be verifiable evidence that will be verifiable evidence that comes out one way or the other, because both sides has said the other is lying, and i don't think either is going to believe the version they don't like. this is very similar to ten years ago when they was that dreadful nerve gas attack in syria and the rebels accuse the syrian government of doing it and vice versa. eventually, inspectors went in, but it took years before finally it was proved it was the syrian government that did it. . ~ i. ., . ~ , did it. thank you for taking us throu:h did it. thank you for taking us through all— did it. thank you for taking us through all of— did it. thank you for taking us through all of that. _ did it. thank you for taking us through all of that. touching l did it. thank you for taking us - through all of that. touching upon the situation in lebanon. live now to our correspondent anna foster, who's in northern israel,
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near the border with lebanon. give us the latest in terms of the various exchanges we have seen on that border, which we have seen over the last four or five days, and the analysis of people where you are. i think frank painted a very compressive picture day of the issues along the northern border. let me tell you what i have seen that really backs that up. it is a large israeli military presence on this board at which has been gradually building over the last ten days of sale. over 300,000 reservists that they called up. they have a lot around gaza but they have sent a huge number here, and you see them as you travel along the border. some very large concentrations of tanks and armoured vehicles building up. there are checkpoints now, small, informal checkpoints, but roads that you used to be able to drive down, normally people get stopped and get asked what they are
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doing. the reason is a lot of that continuing fire. even behind me, where i am at now, across this part of the border, there have been at missile fire coming across from lebanon. when this happens, each time, we see the israel defence forces responding and targeting hezbollah infrastructure on the other side. that started off, maybe one or two incidents a day, it is happening several times a day now every day. it is that slow, gradual raising of the temperature that makes people here and international powers on the diplomatic side really nervous. �* . powers on the diplomatic side really nervous. . . ., nervous. anna foster on the border, thanks very — nervous. anna foster on the border, thanks very much. _ thanks very much. let me bring you the latest line from israel's prime minister's office. we were just listening to joe biden talking about the need for humanitarian assistance to be allowed into gaza. that linejust being addressed by the prime
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minister, saying no humanitarian aid from israel will go into gaza without the return of the hostages, so a repeat of something they said a number of days ago. absolutely linking the aid into gaza with the return of the hostages. thatjust coming from the prime minister's office. no humanitarian aid without a return of the hostages. let's talk now to the former uk ambassador. just a general thought first of all, because we are seeing joe biden in tel aviv. in terms of diplomacy, it does not get much tougher than this, does it? it does not. it is tougher than this, does it? it does not- it is very _ tougher than this, does it? it does not. it is very delicate, _ tougher than this, does it? it does not. it is very delicate, very - not. it is very delicate, very difficult, very complex. the us laid the ground as effectively as they could for this visit and president
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biden is better than anyone at empathy and that is what is needed right now. that is what we heard right now. that is what we heard right now. that is what we heard right now. we had the sense of, we feel your pain. very important that israel hears that, very important that palestinians hear that, but also, we have your back. if you are an israeli civilian or a palestinian civilian, that we do not want this to escalate. and almost between the lines, the friendly message to israel that says we don't have your back for killing civilians, targeting civilians. so it was a very careful, cautious message, and he has the toughest ofjobs now. i was reading your thoughts before you came on here and i know that in terms of your advice, you were saying that you would start with empathy, then move to the issues, and i think we saw that play out exactly with what we heard from the president, but behind closed doors,
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what would you imagine thatjoe biden has been saying to benjamin netanyahu? he biden has been saying to ben'amin netan ahu? . , biden has been saying to ben'amin netan ahu? , , ., . ,, netanyahu? he is trying to reassure the ublic, netanyahu? he is trying to reassure the public. of _ netanyahu? he is trying to reassure the public, of course, _ netanyahu? he is trying to reassure the public, of course, but _ netanyahu? he is trying to reassure the public, of course, but then - netanyahu? he is trying to reassure the public, of course, but then you | the public, of course, but then you close the door and sit down, those two men know each other very well, they have got history, they have got form. they will know when they can trust each other and when they might not choose to trust each other. i think he will be trying to be a wise friend. i think he will be saying, take a breath, take a pause here, don't do the thing that iran would like you to do. i think the military escalation is what iran would like. i think it undermines months and years of painstaking work between israel and the arab world to build up israel and the arab world to build up this process of normalisation. so if in doubt, don't do that. i think there will be a harder message than we hear in public around the need to protect civilians, they need to
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avoid this horrific, catastrophic loss of civilian life, which does not risk crossing just international law, ethical issues around that, but also risks turning the whole region against israel and escalating this to a point that is in no one's interests. to a point that is in no one's interests-— to a point that is in no one's interests. ~ , ., . . interests. with everyone watching, with camera _ interests. with everyone watching, with camera crews, _ interests. with everyone watching, with camera crews, all— interests. with everyone watching, with camera crews, all of— interests. with everyone watching, with camera crews, all of that, - interests. with everyone watching, with camera crews, all of that, it . with camera crews, all of that, it is obviously difficult to have some of those conversations, but the back channels behind—the—scenes, countries like qatar, turkey, certainly when it comes to hostages, where are those back channels? who should we be looking towards? i think a should we be looking towards? i thinka number of should we be looking towards? i think a number of partners. there is a lot that countries can do, including the uk, i would be tracked down and hold to account the those responsible for this act of terrorism by hamas? some practical support that can be delivered there. i would look at qatar, turkey, who
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have relationships with hamas, can try to de—escalate the situation. there is a big conversation to be had with egypt about getting that crossing open. and also, and i really hopejoe biden is doing this, we need a conversation with the moderate palestinian leadership, the mainstream leadership, because one thing benjamin netanyahu has to understand has not always understood, there needs to be an alternative to hamas. we need to build up that alternative to hamas. a military solution just will not be sustainable, so we have to have someone on the other side of the table, and i hope those conversations are happening to. tom fletcher, thanks _ conversations are happening to. tom fletcher, thanks so much forjoining us. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. all residents have learning disabilities or autism. it is not easy to recruit because retail and
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let mejust show let me just show you the pictures live from tel aviv because we were just seeing the us presidentjoe biden talking in that news conference. now the convoy of vehicles, asjoe biden prepares to depart, and it has been such a brief trip. the events of the last 2a hours making this trip briefer because originally scheduled was a trip tojordan to meet arab leaders, but that cancelled after the events of the hospital at the... a real public show of support for israel from joe biden. he was sacked by israel's prime minister for the moral clarity he brought. but we heard from joe biden, his thoughts on a variety of meetings. the president talking at one stage in that news conference about hostages, so let's spend the next few minutes looking at that in more detail. hamas continues to hold around 200
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people hostage in gaza. let's talk to iris weinstein haggai. her parents, judi and gad, who are in their 70s, are missing. they disappeared in the fields near their kibbutz on the 7th of october. thank you so much forjoining us on bbc news. i know this must be an extraordinarily excruciating, distressing time. i wonder if you could start by telling me what your mother and father were doing that day and the events that unfolded. thank you, first of all. my parents take their morning walks every day for 30 years together. they are very into health, fitness, they do anything they can to not be depending on medicine and other people. so that is what they did that day. i live in singapore and i noticed that they have red alert in
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that area, which means they have to go and find a bomb shelter that they can hide in. i ask them in the what subgroup, what is going on? is everything ok? —— whatsapp group. my mother is usually very nonchalant because rockets and gunshots are common, it happens a lot, but this time she told me, not good, we are laying face down and we see hundreds of rockets. this was 6:50am on saturday. i asked how far she was from home, she said two kilometres. i asked her to call me when they get home. meanwhile, i'm speaking to my friend, i know everybody there, i know all the people who were kidnapped, murdered, igrew know all the people who were kidnapped, murdered, i grew up with them. i asked them what is going on, are they ok, and during that time they don't know much, all they know there is a red alert. i noticed at
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7:20am nobody called me. i called them, nobody answers. at 7:30am, one of my friends says the kibbutz is full of terrorists, they are going door—to—door, they are burning their kids, they are setting houses on fire, they are murdering whole families. honestly, my mind could not even comprehend. when i am telling you now, it is like a bad, bad script. i telling you now, it is like a bad, bad script-— bad script. i said in the introduction _ bad script. i said in the introduction that - bad script. i said in the introduction that your. bad script. i said in the - introduction that your parents bad script. i said in the _ introduction that your parents are missing. when did you realise in terms of what had actually happened to them? i terms of what had actually happened to them? . ., �* terms of what had actually happened to them? , ., �* . , ~ ., to them? i still don't really know, to them? i still don't really know, to be honest. _ to them? i still don't really know, to be honest. but— to them? i still don't really know, to be honest. but i _ to them? i still don't really know, to be honest. but i do _ to them? i still don't really know, to be honest. but i do know- to them? i still don't really know, to be honest. but i do know that. to them? i still don't really know, | to be honest. but i do know that a day afterwards, i tried to find out information and i spoke to the kibbutz paramedic, who lives in the kibbutz, i have known him my whole life, and he says my mother called him at 7:04am, she said a motorcycle drove by and shot both my mother and
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father, and my father was wounded really bad. he tried to get the ambulance, but he noticed that the terrorists shot the wheels of the ambulance, so he could not do anything and he lost contact with my mother. that is the last i know of her. a few days ago, the army contacted me finally and they said they consider my parents kidnap because their phones were located in gaza. 50 because their phones were located in gaza, ,, ., ., because their phones were located in gaza, ., , ., because their phones were located in gaza. . , ., , . gaza. so that is how you pieced it toeether. gaza. so that is how you pieced it together- can _ gaza. so that is how you pieced it together- can i— gaza. so that is how you pieced it together. can i ask _ gaza. so that is how you pieced it together. can i ask you, - gaza. so that is how you pieced it together. can i ask you, when - gaza. so that is how you pieced it| together. can i ask you, when you have watched the events of the last 204i have watched the events of the last 2041 was, you have seen also the build—up on the gaza border with the prospect of a ground invasion, what are your thoughts as you watch those developments day to day? i am terrified. developments day to day? i am terrified- l— developments day to day? i am terrified. i am _ developments day to day? i am terrified. i am terrified - developments day to day? i am terrified. i am terrified for - developments day to day? i —n terrified. i am terrified for the jewish people, i am terrified for this world. i am terrified that
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haight is taking over. i am so disappointed in all the governments who were keeping their eyes are shut to a terrorist group. this is not, you know, government who want to make the palestinian lives better. this is a terror group, a criminal gang, and all they care about is getting power, basically. if they wanted to make the palestinian people's life better, they could have made gaza eight heaven by now. and yet we have seen what they have said about that day and we heard president biden say it was the worst loss of life for israel since the holocaust. loss of life for israel since the holocaust-— loss of life for israel since the holocaust.- one - loss of life for israel since the holocaust.- one thing - loss of life for israel since the holocaust. yes. one thing you did not say there _ holocaust. yes. one thing you did not say there as _ holocaust. is; one thing you did not say there as you make the list of things that terrify you, was the prospect of a potential ground war with your parents somewhere in gaza. it is obvious, that must be absolutely terrifying. it
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it is obvious, that must be absolutely terrifying.- absolutely terrifying. it is unfathomable, _ absolutely terrifying. it s unfathomable, honestly. people ask me, you must be glad they are kidnapped and not dead. honestly, i don't even want to cry because my dad dying is my biggest fear. but i feel like dying could be better in this situation. i imagine my mother's little tiny body thrown somewhere, with somebody torturing her, along with the other 80 people that i know and grew up with. little children. we found out that my friend and her two babies were kidnapped. we found out on tiktok. every detail is excruciating. in terms of contact, i know president biden has spoken to many of the families. i biden has spoken to many of the families. , ,., ~' biden has spoken to many of the families. , ., biden has spoken to many of the families._ give | biden has spoken to many of the l families._ give me families. i spoke to them. give me an idea of what _
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families. i spoke to them. give me an idea of what he _ families. i spoke to them. give me an idea of what he said _ families. i spoke to them. give me an idea of what he said to - families. i spoke to them. give me an idea of what he said to you. - families. i spoke to them. give me an idea of what he said to you. it l an idea of what he said to you. it is interesting that many of the families in israel have complained about not being contacted by israel's prime minister or the authorities. what did joe biden say to you? authorities. what did joe biden say to ou? ., ., , to you? you cannot compare this chaos that _ to you? you cannot compare this chaos that never _ to you? you cannot compare this chaos that never happened - to you? you cannot compare this chaos that never happened in - to you? you cannot compare this i chaos that never happened in israel to 14 families who have american citizenship. it is not fair to do that. but at the same time, president biden's message was the same. he said, we are here for you, we are supporting you, anything you need, speak to us. you have our full support. but he also made it very clear that this is israel's soil, we cannot do whatever we want. there are people involved, 200 kidnap. this is very delicate. it is such a complicated situation. honestly, it
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has been almost two weeks, which is ridiculous. two weeks, we don't even know who is kidnapped, we don't even know who is kidnapped, we don't even know who is kidnapped, we don't even know who was murdered. just as i was about to speak to you, i read that two of the people i grew up with are confirmed murdered, and they were considered kidnapped. haste confirmed murdered, and they were considered kidnapped.— considered kidnapped. we are still in the stage. _ considered kidnapped. we are still in the stage. it _ considered kidnapped. we are still in the stage, it is _ considered kidnapped. we are still in the stage, it is incredible - considered kidnapped. we are still in the stage, it is incredible as - in the stage, it is incredible as you say, two weeks in, still finding out basic information. we have to leave it there because we are out of time. thank you very much for your time. thank you very much for your time talking to us on bbc news. back with the headlines in a moment or two. don't go away. hello. the weather is going to be awfully wet and windy in the coming days and the advice is to keep track of the weather and listen to the latest weather updates. here is storm babet coming out of the south—west, the rain clouds are spreading across met office has issued a rare
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red awning for eastern scotland valid from thursday evening into friday. torrential rain is likely to bring disrupt and serious flooding to some parts of eastern scotland but we will all get at least some rain and pretty heavy rain as well. you can see the focal point therefore really high rainfall accumulations well in excess of 100 millilitres in some spots. let's see what's happening then through the course of the evening, this is the weather front associated with storm babet. it moves northwards across the uk, so a definitive area of heavy rain, it won't be raining all through the night, the rain comes and goes in the skies might clearfor a time. towards the early hours of the morning with the weather fronts in the north of the country, in the south you've got showers may be some thunderstorms. i think this is when the worst of the rain is going to happen, late on thursday and into friday across eastern parts of scotland. and eventually, the north—east of england as well. it's a really messy
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picture on thursday. the bulk of the country, it is a mixture of sunny spells and showers but gale force winds on the north sea coast and also around scotland. so let's go through the warnings, these are the amber warnings from the met office and some of these overlap because there are warnings for both rainfall and severe gales, it could be in excess of over 100 millilitres of rain. gusts of wind on the coast of aberdeenshire up to 70 mph but this is the really serious warning, that rare red awning extensive flooding possible and we could even see 250 millilitres of rain especially across some of the upland areas. we can see on friday, that weather system is still much with us. this time, i think, we will see persistent torrential rain many parts of england, gale force winds across the north seacoast and particularly in the south—east. wherever you are, take care.
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humanitarian supplies going into gaza the people who need it most. anger across the middle east —
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live from london. this is bbc news. president biden pledges �*unwavering' american support to israel as he visits the country 11 days after the hamas attacks. warns israel not to act on rage.
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i caution this, whilst you feel that rage, don't be consumed by it. after 911 we were enraged in the united states, whilst we soughtjustice and got justice we also states, whilst we soughtjustice and gotjustice we also made mistakes. israel blames a �*misfired rocket�* from the palestinian islamichhad group — for the blast at a hospital in gaza on tuesday that killed hundreds. hamas blames israel for the attack. bbc verify looks at the claims and counter—claims surrounding the explosion — that's sent shockwaves across the region. gun shots anger across the middle east — with protests outside the us embassy in beirut — and in other cities. we'll bring you the latest from our teams across the region. hello, i'm matthew amroliwala, welcome to verified live. presidentjoe biden has urged israel
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