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don't be consumed by it. after rage, don't be consumed by it. after 911 we were enraged in the united states, whilst we soughtjustice and got justice we also states, whilst we soughtjustice and gotjustice we also made mistakes. israel blames a �*misfired rocket�* from the palestinian islamichhad group — for the blast at a hospital in gaza on tuesday that killed hundreds. hamas blames israel for the attack. bbc verify looks at the claims and counter—claims surrounding the explosion — that's sent shockwaves across the region. gun shots anger across the middle east — with protests outside the us embassy in beirut — and in other cities. we'll bring you the latest from our teams across the region. hello, i'm matthew amroliwala, welcome to verified live. presidentjoe biden has urged israel
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not to be so consumed by rage after the deadly attacks by hamas that it makes the same mistakes the us made after 9/11. speaking during a whirlwind trip to tel aviv to show his support, he assured israel it is not alone, but said the palestinians are suffering as well. he said that from what he's been told, the explosion at the hospital his visit has been overshadowed by tuesday night's devastating explosion at a hospital in gaza city which the health minister says killed 471 which the health minister says killed a71 people. which the health minister says killed 471 people.— which the health minister says killed 471 people. hundreds more were wounded, _ killed 471 people. hundreds more were wounded, israel— killed 471 people. hundreds more were wounded, israel has - killed 471 people. hundreds morej were wounded, israel has blamed killed 471 people. hundreds more i were wounded, israel has blamed it on palestinian misfired rocket. arab countries have joined on palestinian misfired rocket. arab countries havejoined hamas in blaming israel from that explosion. president biden seem to agree with israel saying that it appeared to have come from quote to the other team. he said he will work with israel to prevent much tragedy from
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innocent civilians. the incident has led to shock waves in the region — and the cancellation of a planned summit between mr biden and arab leaders. these are the scenes in the lebanese capital, beirut, where crowds gathered outside the us embassy. over the next hour, we will look at what we know and what we don't know — about the explosion at the hospital, and speak to our correspondents in the region about the response. but let's start the hour with this report from our correspondent, wyre davis. joe biden arrived in israel this morning at one of the most dangerous points in the recent history of the region. from the us president, a very public demonstrative show of support for isreal and prime minister benjamin netanyahu who has vowed to do what it takes to crush hamas. mr biden�*s visit has been overshadowed by what palestinian officials say was an israeli attack last night on a hospital in gaza. according to hamas, 500 people were killed including many who'd already been forced to evacuate their homes and were sheltering in the now burnt—out hospital grounds.
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as the victims were buried, more desperation for gazans and a sense increasing anger across the arab world. there were overnight protests across the west bank, jordan, lebanon, and yemen. but israel says it was not to blame. in a detailed rebuttal of the claims from gaza, israeli officials said intelligence reports pointed to a misfired missile from palestinian militants. part of israel's defence, intercepted communication between militants, said to be acknowledging what had actually happened. israel's evidence appeared persuasive enough forjoe biden. i was deeply saddened and outraged by the explosion at the hospital in gaza yesterday and based on what i have seen, it appears as though it was done by the other
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team, not you. mr biden also expressed concern about hostages held in gaza. they include us citizens like hersh goldberg—polin. the 23—year—old was badly wounded at a hamas attack at the music festival at which hundreds were killed. his mother rachel is desperate for progress. i do feel that president biden is very much with the hostages. we have spoken to him, i have spoken to him personally and we feel that support. and i know that the israelis as well want all the hostages released. and yet there is this quagmire of time and chaos and pandemonium and we are actively at war. joe biden�*s short visit will be followed by other world leaders many of whom also have citizens killed or abducted by hamas.
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but the events of the last 24 hours have made things even more perilous for people in the immediate region including the hostages being held in gaza. wyre davies, bbc news, jerusalem. the very latest from joe biden and the white house because you saw in that report that when he had met benjamin netanyahu a little earlier to use that phrase, the hospital blast had been done by the hospital blast had been done by the other team. a little bit more detail in the last few seconds that is being reported, said the imagery into ships show that israel was not behind the gaza strikes. that has come from the white house, the security council has been tweeting the same thing. worth just repeating that because it gives a little more detail to what we heard from joe biden on the ground that the white house is saying that imagery into ——
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intercept show that gaza was not —— israel was not behind that gaza blast. biden has been speaking on that visit to israel and he warned israel to learn from america's mistakes after 911 and not to act in rage. justice must be done but i caution this while you feel that rage, don't be consumed by it. after 9/11, we were enraged in the united states, while we sought justice were enraged in the united states, while we soughtjustice and got justice we also made mistakes. figs justice we also made mistakes. as well as those passengers aimed in directed israel and of course, he referenced those attacks 11 days ago and saying it was the worst loss of life since the holocaust, he then went on to speak about the palestinians inside gaza and he said that the palestinians were suffering greatly because of the fighting. we
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greatly because of the fighting. - mourn the loss of innocent palestinian lives like the entire world, i was outraged and saddened by the enormous loss of life in the hospital in gaza. based on the information that we have seen it appears to be the result of an errant rocket fired from gaza. united states eric with a free stand for the protection of civilian life during conflict. i grieve, i truly agree for the families who would killed and wounded by this tragedy. that was joe biden killed and wounded by this tragedy. that wasjoe biden in the last 60 minutes. what hope we been able to establish with any certainty about this attack on the hospital? 0ur diplomatic correspondent caroline hawley has been working with our colleagues at bbc verify. you can see where the hospital is located within gaza city. this footage shows to be what appears to be the courtyard car
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park of the hospital in flames. we have been able to establish that thatis have been able to establish that that is what it is from the shape of the buildings. now the aljazeera television station was broadcasting live from gaza at the time. you can see a series of bright lights in the air, we don't know exactly what these are. the israeli army said there was a failed rocket launch by there was a failed rocket launch by the palestinian militant group. that was followed by a big fireball. a verification team have looked at these images and can tell from other skyline details are illuminated by the flames that it was in the main courtyard of hospital. next they have been looking at daylight images taken this morning, here you can see quite a lot of fire damage to the cars that most of the building surrounded it are mostly intact and standing. there is actually a relatively small crater. now, we have shown these images to a number of weapons experts on what they couldn't come to a firm conclusion,
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several of them told us that if the explosion had been caused by the type normally used by israeli forces that the creator would have been bigger and there would have been more damaged buildings. 0ne bigger and there would have been more damaged buildings. one way of trying to establish what hitler's hospital by studying bomb or missile fragments at the scene. with our —— what hit this hospital. last night we saw these images of two men searching through the crater that we show earlier. the logo on their vestas from the palestinian police from the explosive ordinance department, we don't know what if anything they recovered. they put out a statement saying that explosion was caused by israeli aerial bombing and that they have the remnants of the explosive had but they haven't yet provided any evidence of this. what is in dispute is that there was —— what is not in dispute is that there was a very large number of casualties, mostly by people who have been sheltering
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in the hospital and sleeping on the grass. to establish the exact routes of what because then you need an independent investigation but that is not going to happen in what is an active war zone. let's continue with that theme of trying to establish what has actually happened. we have the director of the research and training in investigative group that specialises in fact checking and open source intelligence. as uessing you been doing this for many years. just tell me, in terms of many years, what material you are going through, how have you been approaching this?— through, how have you been approaching this? through, how have you been auroachinu this? ., ., ~ approaching this? hello. thank you for havin: approaching this? hello. thank you for having me _ approaching this? hello. thank you for having me on. _ approaching this? hello. thank you for having me on. ever _ approaching this? hello. thank you for having me on. ever since - approaching this? hello. thank you for having me on. ever since the i for having me on. ever since the first reports of this began to surface online last night, we have been collecting visual evidence from the scene. and we have been archiving it, that is part of our
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normal workflow process. we are identifying videos and images from this parking lot area that we just took a look at and we are making sure that those videos are copied and that we had versions of them so we can continue to analyse them in the future in case they are deleted in social media platforms. what the future in case they are deleted in social media platforms. what have ou icked in social media platforms. what have you picked out _ in social media platforms. what have you picked out so _ in social media platforms. what have you picked out so far _ in social media platforms. what have you picked out so far for? _ in social media platforms. what have you picked out so far for? what - in social media platforms. what have you picked out so far for? what we . you picked out so far for? what we have picked _ you picked out so far for? what we have picked out _ you picked out so far for? what we have picked out as _ you picked out so far for? what we have picked out as the _ you picked out so far for? what we have picked out as the location - you picked out so far for? what we have picked out as the location of. have picked out as the location of the crater and the indication that the crater and the indication that the grassy areas around the crater were full of people. people who were sheltering there overnight, there are videos that were captured in the anti—mass of the explosion showing blankets, other articles of clothing in these grassy areas which again is indicative of a large number of people who would have been resting there may be trying to sleep. what there may be trying to sleep. what are ou there may be trying to sleep. what are you actually — there may be trying to sleep. what are you actually looking _ there may be trying to sleep. what are you actually looking for as you try to work out perhaps who might be
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responsible? figs try to work out perhaps who might be reaponsible?— responsible? as you “ust heard, an hinu responsible? as you “ust heard, anything like h responsible? as you just heard, anything like ammunition - responsible? as you just heard, i anything like ammunition fragment would be put useful. this is something that you see surface on social media often, in the aftermath of an explosion, any fragment that could have come from the explosive that caused this would be really useful in order to determine the weapon that caused this explosion, by determining the weapon you could potentially assign culpability by determining which of the two sides in this conflict operate that weapon. in this conflict operate that wea on. ., in this conflict operate that weaon. ., ., ., , ., ., , weapon. now, alongside the various data that the — weapon. now, alongside the various data that the idf — weapon. now, alongside the various data that the idf shared _ weapon. now, alongside the various data that the idf shared earlier - data that the idf shared earlier today in the press conference, they also released audio messages. how do you and your company approach something like that? this you and your company approach something like that?— something like that? this is something _ something like that? this is something that _ something like that? this is something that we - something like that? this is something that we see - something like that? this is i something that we see often. something like that? this is - something that we see often. this is something that we see often. this is something that we have seen often from ukraini authorities in the war
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there. audio clips like the ones that you are referring to, they are really difficult to verify. it completely different to the verification of a picture or video that can be done inclusively. by something like an audio that comes from supposedly intercepted communications from intelligence sources, that sort of material is impossible to verify independently. when we come across that sort of conduct, we tend to move on and focus on what we can work with visual material.— visual material. 50, “ust to underline. fl visual material. 50, “ust to underline, you t visual material. 50, “ust to underline, you are _ visual material. 50, just to underline, you are really. visual material. 50, just to - underline, you are really cautious when it comes to any sort of audio. yes, in general, the verification of an audio is much more difficult than that of the picture or video. and so, i would say that is accurate, yes. so, i would say that is accurate, es. , , so, i would say that is accurate, es, g , ., , so, i would say that is accurate, es, g , ., ., so, i would say that is accurate, es, , ., ., ., so, i would say that is accurate, es. , ., ., yes. just as a final thought, as n-eole yes. just as a final thought, as people search _ yes. just as a final thought, as people search to _ yes. just as a final thought, as people search to establish - yes. just as a final thought, as people search to establish the| people search to establish the facts, the truth, it is safe to say during the last 12 days there is an
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avalanche, isn't there, of misinformation out there? yes, it has been really _ misinformation out there? yes, it has been really overwhelming. i misinformation out there? yes, it| has been really overwhelming. it's unfortunate because it makes confusion, and dub skills rather than clarifies. i think anyone who is looking to material on this conflict on different social media platforms, i think the best thing they can do is slow down and not share videos or pictures that they are seeing but rather slow down their consumption and social media content and ask critical questions about everything that they are seeing that they are not unwittingly sharing this information. infer? sharing this information. very sensible advice. _ sharing this information. very sensible advice. thank - sharing this information. very sensible advice. thank you very much forjoining us. we are looking at the pictures there alongside me of joe biden climbing aboard air force one at the end of that trip to tel aviv in israel. we were hearing the president only a short while ago saying to reporters as he touched on every important strand of this
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conflict, he said that there is a deep, deep wound within israel as a result of hamas's attacks. he said that he was thinking as a priority, in terms of hostage families, people left in limbo. he said that he was working with partners in the region to try and bring home loved ones. there was no higher priority, he said. and in terms of the wider conflict, he urged israel that he understood the collective trauma of the country had gone to but urged them not to act in terms of rage alone. he said that the us had done that after 911 and that mistakes had been made. when you turn to what is happening in gaza he said that the people in gaza need food, water and fuel and they are actively exploring ways to get humanitarian aid into gaza. he was even talking about that you would have to have inspections
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of anything that was coming across the border, he was saying that none of it must go to hamas. but talking about all of that is aid agencies on the ground. immediately after hearing from joe biden we spoke and underlined the immediate necessity to have humanitarian pauses so that some of that aid waiting on the border can get it with so many people in desperate need. those are some are just the latest pictures as joe biden departs from tel aviv. he was, of course, supposed to go to jordan to have a summit with arab leaders, that is immediately cancelled as a result of the hospital blast. there is the latest pictures asjoe biden ends that trip to the middle east. around the world and across the uk, you watching bbc
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news. let's look at some other stories making news. the inquest into the death of manchester arena bomber salman abedi has returned a conclusion of suicide. the record of inquest was published today by the judge—coroner who chaired the manchester arena inquiry. the formal conclusion recorded by the inquest was �*suicide while undertaking a terror attack that murdered 22 innocent victims and injured many others'. official figures show that food prices have seen their first monthly fall in two years, but fuel prices have risen sharply. milk, cheese and egg prices all fell, but petrol rose by 5.1p a litre. it means the uk's overall rate of inflation holds steady at 6.7% after three consecutive monthly falls. london's metropolitan police say that the environmental campaigner greta thunberg has been charged with a public order offence after a protest on tuesday. the force says a total of 26 people have been charged with obstructing the highway after being asked to move. they were bailed to appear before westminster magistrates' court in november.
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you are live with bbc news. let's return straightaway to the situation in the middle east. joining me is lieutenant general mark schwartz, former us security coordinator for israel and the palestinian authority who is currently an adjunct at the rand corporation. thank you so much forjoining us on the programme. can i ask your assessment first of all of what we have seen over the last 24 hours. thank you. it's good to be with you. clearly, the horrible loss of life that occurred at the blast in the hospital in northern gaza has captured the ongoing crisis. the analysis that has been going on, first with the loss of innocent palestinian lives, the victims of this blast and in terms of who was responsible for the blast has been consuming, obviously, the ongoing conflict over the last 24 are worse.
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it has. and it is absolutely crucial what happens in the coming days because you have heard the claim and the counterclaim, there are two very distinctive narratives and a very, very dangerous situation. yes. first startini very dangerous situation. yes. first starting with _ very dangerous situation. yes. first starting with the _ very dangerous situation. yes. first starting with the israelis, _ very dangerous situation. yes. first starting with the israelis, as - very dangerous situation. yes. first starting with the israelis, as soon i starting with the israelis, as soon as the blast was detected, that analysis started and the way they would typically review a blast of this nature would be to look at what type of targeting they were doing, literally leading right up to the time of the blast from when it was detected as well as what types of ammunitions, rockets or missiles may have been emanating out of gaza at the time of the blast. it has been reported on that the iron dome has a success of acquisition radar, as well as other radars in israel to
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detect missiles that are coming out of gaza, so they were determined based on the acquisition radar that the point of origin, the speed and then obviously the trajectory to determine where those missiles were going to go. that is the first part, that they would look of what hamas was shooting out the time of the incident and what the idf was doing at the time. they've also had, as you can imagine, an unblinking eye of gaza with overhead surveillance. they had the benefit, israel does, of looking at the overhead imagery to determine what was happening at the time when the blast occurred. and then, it would also take a look at, we don't have the benefit of doing a post strike analysis on the ground. all of the imagery and photos and video that has been reported by the media, as well as what has been posted on social media, they will have taken a hard
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review and a comprehensive review of that information before they came out and, you know, made a declaration that, you know, they assess that it did not come from the idf and from its ongoing targeting that they have been doing in gaza. and we have just seen that repeated by the white house saying that imagery intercept show that israel was not behind the gaza strike. so absolutely underlining what we heard from joe biden, those comments on camera when he was meeting with israel's prime minister. in terms of where we are left, though, it is a really deteriorating and dangerous situation. what needs to happen now to stop it deteriorating even more? so to that point, you know, no matter what analysis is ongoing after this horrific tragedy, it doesn't matter. the story that is out among the palestinian populace
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and the broader community in the region is that the blame solely lies on israel from their point of view and nothing, no matter analysis or even president biden or others that are senior leaders speaking out and providing their assessments is going to change that view. i think the most important thing is that we are approaching an increasingly dire situation in gaza and i think the number one priority beyond trying to find the hostages and secure them and bring them out is to provide humanitarian assistance to the palestinian population. yes humanitarian assistance to the palestinian population. yes and the really briefly _ palestinian population. yes and the really briefly if _ palestinian population. yes and the really briefly if you _ palestinian population. yes and the really briefly if you could, _ palestinian population. yes and the really briefly if you could, do - palestinian population. yes and the really briefly if you could, do you i really briefly if you could, do you agree with the middle east correspondent for the economist saying that the fallout of what we are seen as likely to narrow the scope of any sort of israeli ground offensive because the whole region is now at boiling point? it offensive because the whole region is now at boiling point?—
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is now at boiling point? it will certainly inform _ is now at boiling point? it will certainly inform it, _ is now at boiling point? it will certainly inform it, whether. is now at boiling point? it will certainly inform it, whether itj is now at boiling point? it will. certainly inform it, whether it will narrow it, i can't necessarily say that at this point but it will certainly inform the actions that they are going to take in the future. ~ .. they are going to take in the future. ~ ., ., ., future. we have to leave it there. thank you — future. we have to leave it there. thank you so _ future. we have to leave it there. thank you so much _ future. we have to leave it there. thank you so much for— future. we have to leave it there. thank you so much forjoining i future. we have to leave it there. thank you so much forjoining us| thank you so much forjoining us from colorado. thank you. we have had reaction from other world leaders, rishi sunak was asked about media reports that he will be travelling to israel soon. you wouldn't _ travelling to israel soon. you wouldn't expect _ travelling to israel soon. you wouldn't expect the - travelling to israel soon. ym. wouldn't expect the prime minister to comment on future travel plans but we are already leading role in coordinating on this crisis, i have spoken to pretty much every leader in the region, the prime minister of israel twice, we have increased our aid into the region, we are actively in dialect with all parties, also the return of the british hostages that are held there, support for the british nationals that are in israel there, we already brought hundred of
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them home on flights. iaiiuiitly there, we already brought hundred of them home on flights.— them home on flights. with regards to the strike — them home on flights. with regards to the strike in _ them home on flights. with regards to the strike in particular, _ them home on flights. with regards to the strike in particular, are i them home on flights. with regards to the strike in particular, are we i to the strike in particular, are we any clear— to the strike in particular, are we any clear on— to the strike in particular, are we any clear on who is responsible for that and _ any clear on who is responsible for that and what was your response to seeing _ that and what was your response to seeing the — that and what was your response to seeing the scenes? i that and what was your response to seeing the scenes?— seeing the scenes? i think like an one, seeing the scenes? i think like anyone. we — seeing the scenes? i think like anyone, we would _ seeing the scenes? i think like anyone, we would have - seeing the scenes? i think like anyone, we would have all- seeing the scenes? i think like l anyone, we would have all seen seeing the scenes? i think like i anyone, we would have all seen the scenes in the hospital strike and we would have been shocked by it. they are difficult scenes to see. the loss of any innocent life is tragic, we mourn all of them and our thoughts are with their families. it is important in this instance not to jump is important in this instance not to jump to conclusions. we have to establish the facts and premature speculation i think would be wrong and that is not the right thing to do. this is a very heightened, sensitive situation. we need calm heads, our intelligence services are working through the information, i met with the national security advisor this morning. we are working independently but also with our allies to establish what happened and doing everything we can to bring humanitarian support into the region. humanitarian support into the reiion. .. region. that was the uk prime minister speaking _ region. that was the uk prime minister speaking to _ region. that was the uk prime minister speaking to reporters j region. that was the uk prime i
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minister speaking to reporters in the last little while. i want to bring you pictures from southern lebanon is the light fades but you can see at the top of the picture some of the fires and we have seen for a number of days, exchanges across that border between lebanon and israel with so much concern about the potential for this conflict to worsen, to deepen and get hezbollah involved. those pictures from southern lebanon, let me show you briefly pictures over gaza as well. calm now, but we have seen some large blast also there in the last couple of hours. more headlines here injust a moment or two. hello. storm but that will be lashing in the next few days but i would like to make the point that the weather would not be bad all of the time as it spreads from the south but we are also expecting the skies are clear for a few places. let's
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focus on the rain. a rare red warning in force, thursday into friday for specifically angus and southern parts of aberdeenshire. and the met office warns of even danger to life. but let's look at the rain for first across the whole of the uk. this is the rain for accumulation as the days go by, widely 30 or 40 millilitres of rain but we can see around eastern scotland in the north—east of england potentially 100 millilitres of rain. here is the forecast overnight, the weather front and rain front associated with storm babet makes its journey towards the north after a soaking evening across southern parts of the uk. actually the sky is clear for a time for the early hours before further showers return. it will be relatively mild, 15 in the cells and ten in the north where the weather has been relatively clear. through the course of thursday, that rain really starts
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to turn very persistent across eastern scotland, it's the east and south easterly gale that will keep pushing the rain clouds towards eastern parts of scotland like a conveyor belt. so the rain will be falling in the same place all of the time. here is the amber warning because there are other warnings in place for other parts of scotland, in the north across the highlands, we could have 100 millilitres or so. this overlapping red warning is for the severe gale on the coast of eastern scotland, gusts of around 70 mph. then there is that red warning focusing on angus and southern parts of aberdeenshire, the red warning from the met office, extensive flooding is possible. here is the forecast on friday. still that easterly wind pushing in the rain clouds but notice that the concentration of heavy rain will now be across more central, south—eastern and southern parts of england. and actually, across the north and east of scotland, that rain should start to ease but it may
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israel and hamas blame each other for the blast reported to have killed hundreds in a gaza hospital. israel says it was a misfire at rocket from the palestinian islamic jihad group. the massive loss of life triggers anger across the middle east, with protests outside the us embassy in beirut and other cities. just in the last few minutes, reports that the un middle east peace envoy says the risk of an expansion of this conflict is real, very real, and extremely dangerous. they go on to say that circumstances of the responsibility of the hospital blast still need to be clarified and fully investigated, so that bleak assessment from the middle east peace envoy saying the risk of the expansion of this
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