tv The Context BBC News October 19, 2023 8:00pm-8:31pm BST
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we're going to the... rockets are coming! go, go, go! rishi sunak says the uk stands with israel, but the war in gaza he says must follow international law. there are 20 trucks of much needed aid still waiting to cross from egypt. the un says gaza "is on the brink", with over 100 trucks needed every day, to support 2 million palestinians. the hospitals say they are overwhelmed, but without means to treat thousands of wounded patients. as anaesthetic, painkillers, and fuel runs out. meanwhile, israel is revising upwards the number of hostages held in gaza to 203. the defence minister said his troops today but they will soon see the
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inside. also tonight, storm babet is battering ne scotland, with over 8 inches of rain expected in 2a hours. there is a red weather warning in place, we will get the latest from our teams on the ground. good evening, the united nations says it is hearing reports that palestinians are going back to areas in northern gaza, that israel had told them to evacuate. without aid, and without proper shelter, the un says some are returning home from areas in the south that were supposed to be safer. today there was an air strike in khan younis half way down the strip where many had taken refuge, with children and un workers among the wounded. the un's agency for palestinian refugees, who we will speak to tonight, says aid that is promised, 20 trucks currently waiting at the rafah crossing, will barely scatch the surface. gaza they said is on the brink. injerusalem, the british prime minister told benjamin netenyahu the uk will stand full square behind israel and its right to defend istelf against "horrific acts of terrorism" we witnessed 12 days ago. hamas group is still holding 203
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hostages, including 9 britons. and is continuing to fire rockets. this is the situation now that the british... �* ~ this is the situation now that the british. . .- the _ this is the situation now that the british. . .- the rockets i this is the situation now that the | british. . .- the rockets are british... bunker! the rockets are cominu. british... bunker! the rockets are coming- go. _ british... bunker! the rockets are coming- go. go. _ british... bunker! the rockets are coming. go, go, go! _ our correspondent lyse doucet sent scurrying for cover today, while on air. the israeli army continues to search out the launch sites of these rockets, with hundreds of targets hit in recent days. our middle east editor, jeremy bowen, has sent us this update from israel. britain's prime minister came, he said, because israel faces its darkest hour. israel is welcoming its allies. it will need their support in the next few weeks. waiting injerusalem was benjamin netanyahu, israel's prime minister, a day after he welcomed joe biden. we absolutely support israel's right to defend itself in line with international law, to go after hamas, to take back hostages, deterfurther incursions and to strengthen your security
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for the long—term. now, i know that you are taking every precaution to avoid harming civilians in direct contrast to the terrorists of hamas, which seek to put civilians in harm's way. we have here two forces. one is an axis of evil led by iran, through hezbollah, hamas and others, that want to bring back the middle east of the middle ages, to an age of bondage and war and slavery and annihilation. and the other force is the forces of progress and humanity that want to push the middle east into a world of peace and prosperity. in southern gaza, united nations workers were among the wounded as israel's strikes continued. more thani million palestinians have fled to the south on israel's instructions. gaza's civilians, sealed off from the world by israel's siege, face catastrophe.
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aid has been waiting for days on the egyptian side of the border. joe biden persuaded the israelis to allow 20 lorries to cross into gaza tomorrow. injerusalem, philippe lazzerini, head of the un's agency for palestinian refugees called unra, told me they need much more. a few days ago, you had some very strong comments after civilians sheltering in one of the unra schools were killed. is there is a safe place for anyone in gaza? there is no safe - place in gaza today. there is nowhere where the civilian population feels safe. _ what do you make of the biden plan? listen, we are calling - for a humanitarian corridor, but the humanitarian corridor needs to be uninterrupted, _ needs to be predictable. we will need at least 100 trucks a day. - if we cannot bring fuel and we have to bring i the water in bottles, _ we will need much, much more. we are now in a situation . where there is a total siege being imposed in the gaza strip.
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we are in a situation where more |than a million people have been| asked to be displaced. this amounts to collective l punishment, and collective punishment is a violation - of international humanitarian law. do you have any sympathy with the israeli perspective that hamas use people, they say, as human shields? israel has gone through a traumatic event. - i condemn this horrifici and barbaric massacre. but killing other people, - this does not stilljustify that war is conducted without any restraint. the war, he said, has left the middle east on the edge of an abyss. the united nations has called for a humanitarian cease—fire.
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jeremy bowen, bbc news, jerusalem. that explosion, you saw injeremy�*s report, was at a site near a hospital in khan younis. just a warning some of these pictures are distressing. i am going to show you the video of that blast. and the smoke billowing after it. some minutes later it was children and un aid workers that began arriving at the hospital. a clearly marked un car seen bringing people wounded people in un uniforms. unwra has around 14,000 staff still working in gaza working in many many facilities. but especially in the south. remember this is the area, that over half million fled to, who will need support. and the danger if they continue to be under bombardment in the south, is then many would prefer to be in their homes in the north, than suffer the idignity of living in these cramped conditions without aid and without any guarantee of safety. i'm joined by danny danon — a member of benjamin netanyahu's
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party and a former israeli permanent representative to the un. he joins us from tel aviv. thank you for coming onto the programme. are you concerned about these un reports that people are now starting to go back north in desperation? we starting to go back north in desperation?— starting to go back north in deseration? ~ ., _, ., desperation? we have encouraged the civilian population _ desperation? we have encouraged the civilian population to _ desperation? we have encouraged the civilian population to move _ desperation? we have encouraged the civilian population to move south. - civilian population to move south. we were very clear about that. we know that hamas is trying to hide behind civilians, they use them as human shields. and we tell them don't come back, go south, if you want to be safe we intend to come after hamas terrorists who killed our families, after hamas terrorists who killed ourfamilies, raped our daughters, our families, raped our daughters, we ourfamilies, raped our daughters, we are serious about it so i would encourage everyone to listen to our warning and to move south. the e: tian warning and to move south. the egyptian state — warning and to move south. the egyptian state media sing tonight the trucks will move tomorrow. do you have any information on that? no, i don't know the details about that. but i can tell you that we are
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getting ready to move to the next stage and saying it is about time the international community including the bbc will side with moral clarity. you have not been able to call hamas a terrorist organisation until today. prime minister riches and it came to jerusalem met with netanyahu and then he called hamas a terrorist organisation. why you cannot do the same at the bbc i do not understand. let me play you as he was arriving in jerusalem today the security minister who was on bbc injerusalem today the security minister who was on bbc radio, this is what he said as the prime minister arrived injerusalem. when people tell you they want to kill you, it's probably wise to believe them. and hamas has said very clearly that its purpose is notjust the destruction of the state of israel but the murder of the jewish people. and, you know, i'm afraid history has been very clear that when people say they want to murderjews, they probably do want to murderjews. and hamas has been completely clear on that. so i see israel's right to self—defense, and i see the tragedy that any soldier sees,
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that military action is the worst of all possible choices except for, sadly, some of the others. i played to that gist of the context of people watching us that people can fully understand what israel has been through. we have heard from the defence minister today that the troops will soon see gaza from the inside. do you expect that the ground incursion will be under way within the next few days? we ground incursion will be under way within the next few days?- within the next few days? we will not no within the next few days? we will not go into _ within the next few days? we will not go into specifics. _ within the next few days? we will not go into specifics. but - within the next few days? we will not go into specifics. but we - within the next few days? we will not go into specifics. but we are l not go into specifics. but we are committed. committed to hunt those terrorists and we will fight for that. we will come from the air, the sea, from land. i want to remind you and your audience that we have in gaza today, more than 200 israelis who were kidnapped. babies, holocaust survivors, i want to show you some names of a few. a three—year—old pair of twins now in
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gaza. ella and eight—year—old girl which is now being held for two weeks in gaza. this 84—year—old woman a holocaust survivor. she is now in the hands of those animals, hamas and gaza. rel, four years old is now in gaza. amelia, five years old is now in the hands of hamas. so when we go into gaza we are going because they kidnapped those babies. they kidnapped our families. because they kidnapped those babies. they kidnapped ourfamilies. so we are not doing it because we want to go there, we are doing it because we have no other choice. we are committed to complete the job this time. we will release the hostages, we will eradicate hamas we will not come back until we finish the mission this time. i come back until we finish the mission this time.— come back until we finish the mission this time. i cannot quite ut mission this time. i cannot quite put myself _ mission this time. i cannot quite put myself in — mission this time. i cannot quite put myself in the _ mission this time. i cannot quite put myself in the place - mission this time. i cannot quite put myself in the place of - mission this time. i cannot quite put myself in the place of the i put myself in the place of the families whose loved ones are in gaza although i have spoken to quite a number of them on this programme and i certainly feel their pain.
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there is one thing i want to put you amid the pain ended as a point that jill biden made yesterday, when you feel the rage don't be consumed by it. after 9/11 we were enraged in the united states and we made mistakes. do you think the war cabinet is listening to that message? is that why the ground incursion is being delayed, are they conscious that they need to avoid making some of the same mistakes? first of all, yes. we have a lot of rage. we know we are in pain. the time, we are logical and we understand that if we will not fight back and defend ourselves, hamas will come back to our communities. we saw what they did, we saw their capabilities, so no we cannot leave those capabilities intact. so we intend to eliminate that threat from our southern border and we hope that it will be a new day for us in israel, a new day for the
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palestinians in gaza. so yes, the rage is still here, but we also have to think logically about what we can do to live safely in israel. i’m do to live safely in israel. i'm crateful do to live safely in israel. i'm grateful for — do to live safely in israel. i'm grateful for your— do to live safely in israel. i'm grateful for your time this evening and thank you for coming onto the programme. around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news. let's look at some other stories making news. about 350 homes in the riverside area of brechin will be evacuated as the met office's red weather warning for heavy rainfall and high winds is extended to more areas of scotland. we'll have more details in our weather update a little later. asylum seekers have returned to an accommodation barge that was evacuated in august after legionella bacteria was found in the water supply. a coach carrying the migrants arrived at the bibby stockholm in dorset on thursday and was met by protests at the port gates. the home office says the vessel is now �*safe and secure.�* people are voting in two by—elections. they will decide who replaces nadine dorries in mid bedfordshire and chris pincher in tamworth
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after the resignation of the conservative mps. polling stations opened at 7am and will close at 10 this evening, with results expected early on friday morning. of course you can follow the progress of that on the bbc website. you're live with bbc news. so where is that aid that is so badly needed in gaza, what is on the convoy, when will it move. we are going to hear from two people tonight either side of the rafa crossing in egypt who are in charge of getting supplies into gaza and then to people in gaza. but first let's hear from mo salah. it's not always easy to speak in times like this. there has been too much violence and too much heartbreak and brutality. the escalations in the recent weeks is unbearable to witness. all lives are sacred
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and must be protected. the massacres need to stop. families are being torn apart. what's clear now is that humanitarian aid to gaza must be allowed in immediately. the people there are in terrible conditions. the scenes at the hospital last night were horrifying. the people of gaza need food, water and medical supplies urgently. i am calling on the war leaders to come together i am calling on the world leaders to come together to prevent a further slaughter of innocent souls. humanity must prevail. jeremy hopkins is the unicef epresentative in egypt. representative in egypt. i asked whether the aid would be allowed in tomorrow, do you know? what we know as the announcements that have been made publicly and we
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have every confidence that the porter will open soon. what i also know is that as the head of the office here in unicef in egypt is that we have prepared a pipeline of supplies that are ready to move over the border in a matter of hours. the supplies are related to what we just heard from mo salah. water in some food and some convoys and we also have medicine and medical supplies. they are the priorities to get them over the border now. as i think you have discussed earlier, we do not want to have a one—time humanitarian because we want a humanitarian corridor into gaza. the situation there is absolutely appalling and catastrophic. we know right now, there are 300,000 displaced children and of course the entire population is in need. if you look at waterfor
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example, to live in health and dignity you should have the right to 50 l of water currently there are three l of water per person in gaza. that simply is not tenable. if hygiene deteriorates, disease breaks out. drinking water is obviously needed as well so we are concerned the these supplies need to get over now but we are hopeful that they will move soon. b5 now but we are hopeful that they will move soon.— will move soon. as you say, this will move soon. as you say, this will only scratch _ will move soon. as you say, this will only scratch the _ will move soon. as you say, this will only scratch the surface. - will move soon. as you say, this will only scratch the surface. 20 | will only scratch the surface. 20 trucks win100 trucks were going in every day before the conflict started. are you concerned by the comments by president biden on air force one last night that, if, i will use the word f, this is a success than other convoys will follow. it seems like he was putting a qualifier alongside the efforts that he secured injerusalem earlier in the day. we that he secured in jerusalem earlier in the da . ~ ~ ., .,
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in the day. we know what the humanitarian _ in the day. we know what the humanitarian requirements i in the day. we know what the l humanitarian requirements are in the day. we know what the - humanitarian requirements are and you're doing everything we can to get those pipelines moving. that is our priority now. our expectation and our acts because c is for that corridor to be continuous. there are hundreds of thousands of trucks on the side of the border ready to move and we need to get the supplies over now. so and we need to get the supplies over now. ., ., i. ., now. so what would you say to israelis who _ now. so what would you say to israelis who are _ now. so what would you say to israelis who are concerned - now. so what would you say to | israelis who are concerned that now. so what would you say to - israelis who are concerned that some of that aid will go to hamas and that some of the aide will be adapted by hamas for fighting purposes? adapted by hamas for fighting --uroses? . ,, .., , , purposes? unicef specialises in certain sectors _ purposes? unicef specialises in certain sectors that _ purposes? unicef specialises in certain sectors that relate - purposes? unicef specialises in certain sectors that relate to i certain sectors that relate to humanitarian like life—saving supplies for children. that is the only way we will be involved and we have partners on the ground and gaza with whom we work. so that is who we will be working with. we have every confidence that those supplies will reach the children who need them now. bill reach the children who need them now. �* . reach the children who need them now. �* reach the children who need them now. , ., now. all the trucks checked before the no now. all the trucks checked before they go in? — now. all the trucks checked before they go in? the — now. all the trucks checked before they go in? the security _ now. all the trucks checked before they go in? the security details i they go in? the security details have been _
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they go in? the security details have been worked _ they go in? the security details have been worked out - they go in? the security details have been worked out by i they go in? the security details have been worked out by the i they go in? the security details i have been worked out by the parties at the border, let's say. i do not have the details, i am afraid. you said had plenty — have the details, i am afraid. you said had plenty of— have the details, i am afraid. you said had plenty of supplies still to come so presumably that is through the airport they are so could you sustain 100 trucks a day if there is an opening, if there is room for the trucks to go in? we an opening, if there is room for the trucks to go in?— trucks to go in? we can't sustain the requirements _ trucks to go in? we can't sustain the requirements needed - trucks to go in? we can't sustain the requirements needed for i trucks to go in? we can't sustain the requirements needed for the people most in need and gaza, yes. we have a pipeline for example of bottles of water although we can renew that continuously we have 35 metric tonnes of water as assistance equipment that needs to get over to repairs. we have 25 tonnes of health and medical supplies that need to be provisioned to health centres. we can continue its to provide required supplies but our ultimate advocacy, to be clear, is a call for a immediate secession of hostilities
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and a reminder that no child should ever be targeted in a conflict and every child has the right to be safe everywhere. you every child has the right to be safe everywhere-— every child has the right to be safe eve here. ., ., ., , everywhere. you will have heard his words. everywhere. you will have heard his words- the — everywhere. you will have heard his words. the rage _ everywhere. you will have heard his words. the rage of— everywhere. you will have heard his words. the rage of our— everywhere. you will have heard his words. the rage of our previous i words. the rage of our previous guest and others in the israeli government on what has happened and will of heard the comment that the defence minister today that they will soon see the inside of gaza, the troops. could you sustain a relief effort of the kind you are planning if there is a ground offensive in the north? we planning if there is a ground offensive in the north? we have to. we have no — offensive in the north? we have to. we have no to _ offensive in the north? we have to. we have no to us. _ offensive in the north? we have to. we have no to us. we _ offensive in the north? we have to. we have no to us. we need - offensive in the north? we have to. we have no to us. we need to i offensive in the north? we have to. i we have no to us. we need to access those vulnerable people now. the situation is catastrophic if we do not get there. people will start to die. so we need to be there and that is the humanitarian operative that we are working under in the child's rights framework in which we work. we wish you the best and thank you for spurring us in this evening. so let's go to gaza side. we have tried each night to stay in touch with someone who has responsibility for the relief effort in gaza.
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and every night we spoken to her i am concious she is at the end of exhausting day, sitting in her office in a flakjacket. and trying to do a job without the tools to do it. she is the deputy director of the unrwa field office in gaza, jenifer austin. thank you for sparing us sometime again. what kind of a day have you had today? again. what kind of a day have you had toda ? . ~ again. what kind of a day have you had toda ? ., ~ , ., again. what kind of a day have you had today?— again. what kind of a day have you had toda ? ., ~ i. , ., �* had today? thank you, christian. i'm not in my office _ had today? thank you, christian. i'm not in my office i'm _ had today? thank you, christian. i'm not in my office i'm in _ had today? thank you, christian. i'm not in my office i'm in the _ had today? thank you, christian. i'm not in my office i'm in the hallway i not in my office i'm in the hallway today because we have lost power in the office now so the situation is dire. i set out to one of the biggest shelters, our biggest camps which has got 23,000 people in it which has got 23,000 people in it which is the khan younis training centre in i had been there this afternoon and it is a city there now. the city of people. a sea of people that have moved from the north to the south. we have around 530,000 people now across our installations across the south of gaza and we reckon that is about about part of the 1 million people have made the move so there has been a huge wave of people. then we also
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have to try to keep up with the humanitarian need for those people. it is really difficult. so it has been another busy, exhausting day, but we are doing our work and we are here and we will keep doing this and keep supporting the refugees in gaza. ., , , keep supporting the refugees in gaza. , . gaza. people will be concerned, these un reports— gaza. people will be concerned, these un reports that _ gaza. people will be concerned, these un reports that some i gaza. people will be concerned, i these un reports that some people are opting to go back to the north. why would that be happening? we have actually found — why would that be happening? we have actually found that _ why would that be happening? we have actually found that through _ why would that be happening? we have actually found that through our - why would that be happening? we have actually found that through our data i actually found that through our data one of our camps went down in numbers and we found that was because anecdotally, we hearfrom various people travelling on roads that there are a lot of people having back—up to the north because the situation here isjust having back—up to the north because the situation here is just so dire. and in the north, in gaza we have had had a strike on a school yesterday and for the situation was that for people, sorry eight people died in that air strike and it was a shelter. the point being that people
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after our security went in and the first responders went in to help all of the injured. people went back into that shelter because they had nowhere else to go. so even though it had been struck, they still went back. so it is notjust people having back to the north and back to gaza city, is people who are going back into a shelter that has been subject of an attack. so this is how desperate the people are. you must be conscious — desperate the people are. you must be conscious in _ desperate the people are. you must be conscious in your _ desperate the people are. you must be conscious in your planning i desperate the people are. you must be conscious in your planning for i be conscious in your planning for the aide coming in that there is going to be desperation when these trucks arrive. how on earth are you going to guard them, distribute them in a fair way, ensure that it goes, i suppose you have spread it as thinly as you can to as many people as you can? how on earth will you do that? ., , ., ., , ., that? that is part of our planning rocess that? that is part of our planning process and _ that? that is part of our planning process and part _ that? that is part of our planning process and part of _ that? that is part of our planning process and part of how- that? that is part of our planning process and part of how we i that? that is part of our planning process and part of how we do i that? that is part of our planning | process and part of how we do our distribution mechanism and we have a
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very tight frame network on how we do that and how we control all of that. it is very difficult because the needs of the refugees are so huge and we can't do everything, of course for everyone. but of course, we live numbers under humanitarian principles and we are open to all refugees and on refugees and all citizens of gaza are eligible to receive aid under this terrible conflict and recovery mechanisms as well we will have to cater to that as well. so that is a really big jump. we are ready for that task and we will do that. we jump. we are ready for that task and we will do that.— we will do that. we 'ust heard from jeremy what _ we will do that. we 'ust heard from jeremy what they _ we will do that. we just heard from jeremy what they are _ we will do that. we just heard from jeremy what they are putting i we will do that. we just heard from jeremy what they are putting on i jeremy what they are putting on the trucks. medicines, water, water purification equipment, that sort of stuff, but of course no fuel on the convoy. without fuel you cannot drive generators and you cannot pump water. so how acute is that situation becoming because it seems to me nearly every day this week, when you have been on with me, we
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have been saying that they are about to run out of fuel, are we really on the brink? we to run out of fuel, are we really on the brink?— to run out of fuel, are we really on the brink? ~ ., ., , ~ ., the brink? we are on the brink and i have been telling _ the brink? we are on the brink and i have been telling you _ the brink? we are on the brink and i have been telling you and _ the brink? we are on the brink and i have been telling you and now- the brink? we are on the brink and i j have been telling you and now we're down to two days. we had two days of fuel left. audio loss. also focus that we need fuel for desalination the fuel is like gold. we are guarding — the fuel is like gold. we are guarding it _ the fuel is like gold. we are guarding it and _ the fuel is like gold. we are guarding it and we - the fuel is like gold. we are guarding it and we are i the fuel is like gold. we are i guarding it and we are needed for travelling vehicles we are down to the last scent of how we are rationing ourfuel and even then the last scent of how we are rationing our fuel and even then we estimate our best estimate is that we have two days of fuel left. so fuel is critical because fuel finds
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the desalination plants, the water plants, fuel will keep things moving and without fuel we cannot even move our vehicle so how can we do operational support on the ground. we have 5300 staff were moving across the whole of the south of the gaza strip from the middle area down to where rafah where i am and they are going out and visiting refugee camps and people who are managers who are working in those places so we need fuel. if we don't have fuel we need fuel. if we don't have fuel we cannot provide operational support. we we cannot provide operational su ort. ~ . we cannot provide operational su ort, . ., ., we cannot provide operational su--ort. ~ . ., ., we cannot provide operational su--ort. ., ., ., . , support. we are out of time. wishing ou the support. we are out of time. wishing you the best- — support. we are out of time. wishing you the best. get _ support. we are out of time. wishing you the best. get some _ support. we are out of time. wishing you the best. get some sleep. i support. we are out of time. wishing you the best. get some sleep. thankj you the best. get some sleep. thank you the best. get some sleep. thank you for coming on. hello. storm babet is bringing some extreme rainfall to the uk. the met office have issued a rare top level red weather warning for rain affecting aberdeenshire, angus, dundee, perth and kinross. it's for these areas that we'll probably see the most severe weather impacts. it's not the only place that babet will cause big problems. northern and western scotland, the cheviots, the peaks, the pennines, north wales, the rainfall accumulations —
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ie the rain building up over the next day or two — could also bring some severe flooding. now, babet essentially is this area of low pressure. it's getting blocked from moving by this blocking area of high pressure over scandinavia. the weather front�*s become stationary, bringing torrential rain, and in the lowest mile of the atmosphere, we've got a low level jet that's just slamming the rainfall into the eastern mountains in scotland. so for communities within this amber weather warning area, there could be some severe flooding. but in this more concentrated zone, where we've got the red weather warning in force, well, the flooding may be so extreme that communities get completely cut off — and that's all thanks to up to 250 millimetres of rain. well, to put that in context, the scottish 24—hour rainfall record currently stands at 238. so this could be unprecedented rainfall for scotland. eitherway, overnight, the rain is going to be torrential in scotland, with impacts just increasing hour by hour.
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the rain getting a lot heavier as well for england, wales and for northern ireland, too. 0n into friday's forecast, very gradually, you should start seeing improvements in the weather across scotland, but even long after it's stopped raining, all of that water will still be coming down the river catchments, and so some communities, the flooding will get far worse before it gets better, even long after the rain has stopped. and then the focus starts to shift further southwards. scottish borders, the cheviots, peaks, the pennines, north wales — these areas could see rainfall heavy enough to bring some locally severe flooding as well through friday, friday night and into the first part of saturday. so there will be further impacts as we look at the weather forecast into this weekend, thanks to storm babet. so, babet is going to be bringing some big weather impacts. we are going to see some flooding. it's quite likely to be severe, widespread in places, and disruption is expected to transport and power. keep up to date with the flood warnings online.
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we will talk more about the problems in the middle east shortly, but 1st, sport now with a full round—up, from the bbc sport centre. european football's governing body — uefa — has confirmed the euro 2024 qualifier between belgium and sweden won't be replayed. the match was halted for security reasons after two people were shot dead in brussels on monday. a third swedish citizen was seriously injured in the attack, which took place three miles from the stadium. the result at half time, 1—1, will stand. belgium had already qualified, and sweden were unable to make it through to the tournament next summer. in england, the football association says they "recognise the hurt" caused by their decision not to light the wembley arch in the colours of israel in response to the ongoing conflict there. chief executive mark bullingham called the decision "one of the hardest" he has had to make at the organisation. they faced criticism from some for not lighting up the arch in the colours of the israeli flag for england's friendly with australia, a period of silence was held instead.
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