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are returning north, despite israeli warnings to stay away. hello, i'm luxmy gopal, welcome to verified live, three hours of breaking stories and checking out the truth behind them. israel has kept up its intensified bombardment of the gaza strip, with dozens of the latest strikes in the south of the territory. the israelis had told palestinians to head to southern gaza for their own safety before a possible ground offensive, but some gazans have moved back to their homes in the north, because of shortages of food and water, and because they don't feel any safer in the south. israeli forces say they have carried out limited incursions inside the gaza strip in the lead—up to a possible ground offensive. an army spokesman said one soldier was killed
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by an anti—tank missile fired by hamas. the raids were also aimed at gaining information on the whereabouts of the more than 200 hostages being held in gaza. a third convoy of more than a dozen aid trucks is at the rafah crossing from egypt, waiting for permission to head into gaza. the head of the main un agency helping palestinians in gaza says hundreds of truckloads of aid are needed every day, rather the few dozen which have been allowed in so far. the agency has called forfuel to be allowed in, with only a minimal supply left for hospitals, water desalination plants and bakeries. israel says it's not permitting fuel deliveries because they could be commandeered by hamas. the hamas—run health ministry in gaza says the israeli bombardment of gaza has killed more than 5,000 people there, including 2,000 children. attacks by hamas on israel this month killed more 1,400 people.
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wyre davies has this report. it's a part of gaza where people should have felt relatively safe. the southern part of the strip is where israel had ordered more than a million palestinians to flee, away from their targets in the north. but last night was the worst so far in the town of khan younis. israel reserving its right to pursue hamas targets anywhere, with devastating consequences for civilians. nowhere is safe really in gaza and we also noticed people who were in the south, evacuated and walked to the south and they are going back to the north because they had nowhere else to go because the shelters are overwhelmed. dima lost 13 members of her immediate family. her surviving siblings traumatised. translation: when we moved to khan younis with my family, | there were 17 of us. then we became four. i can't understand howjust the four of us will live and how
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we will return to our home in gaza city after 17 of us used to live together. also stuck in the south, stephanie and her young family from blackpool. they moved to gaza a year ago, now caught up in a war they didn't bargain for. we have experienced bombing and planes flying over us and buildings destroyed, all sorts of horrible things. it's not been a good experience. the un has helped organised two consecutive days of around 20 trucks crossing gaza's border with egypt. hopefully another today carrying basic medicines and food aid. but a lot less than the 500 daily trucks the un says are needed. after more than a fortnight of bombing that has reduced parts of gaza to rubble, israel's army is ready for the next stage, the anticipated land invasion
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of gaza to completely eliminate hamas as a future threat to israel. translation: we are using all the time available - to us to improve our readiness and our ability to carry out the ground manoeuvre in the best possible way. israel's allies support its right to self—defence but global leaders coming here emphasised the need for restraint, concerned about the wider regional conflict. and while prime minister benjamin netanyahu will not want to seem indecisive over his vow to crush hamas, he does have other considerations. with more than 200 israeli and international hostages being held by hamas in gaza, some of their relatives want the israeli government to make a deal. america's president biden, whose opinion matters in israel, has also called the release of hostages his highest priority. trapped on a tiny sliver of land between the border and the sea, the fate of the hostages and
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gaza's 2.1 million residents hangs in the balance, dependent on what israel and also what hamas does next. wyre davies, bbc news, jerusalem. 0ur diplomatic correspondent, paul adams, is injerusalem and gave us this update on the negotiations to release more of the hostages taken by hamas just over a fortnight ago. we saw the release just a few days ago of the first two hostages, two women, israeli—american nationals. now, we are hearing from our colleagues in gaza that negotiations and i'm just going to read this to make sure i don't make any mistakes — negotiations to release more hostages have entered a serious stage, according to sources in gaza, and they are intense and focused through the qatari mediators. it was qatar who helped to mediate the release of the two women the other day and with the united states in order to build on the release of the two americans. and it's thought that this the negotiations at the moment
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could involve 5050 foreign dual nationals being held inside the gaza strip. -- 15 —— 15 foreign dual nationals. we don't know what stage those negotiations are at, but the fact that this information is leaking out does suggest that there is some pretty intense work going on behind the scenes to try and get as many of those hostages out, particularly foreign nationals, particularly perhaps women and children, before israel decides to act decisively and send its troops in on the ground. 0ur gaza correspondent, rushdi abualouf, spoke to my colleague lyse doucet about the talks aimed at releasing of hostages. at this stage, quoting a senior palestinian official who is in doha, who is in contact with hamas, he said the talks, negotiations are taking a serious path. he said that there has been a lot of talks. the qataris were in contact
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with hamas and the americans, building in the two american hostages who were released a couple of days ago, to release more. as many as 50, as i understand. hamas is happy to release them. they told the qataris, they told the americans that we are happy to release all of the civilians, they said, the people who are the foreigners and multi—nationals. now, in order to do this, the process would need people working on the ground. and hamas was not quite happy with the last releasing process because it was risky, it was under fire and it was not guaranteed that it could happen. now, what we need, what hamas need, hamas need a halt, a ceasefire in some shape, some form, whether it's humanitarian or sustainable, or linked in. they want to be able to go and try to offer some sort of path or road to move those 50 people.
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and, you know, like releasing two hostages in one car isn't the same as releasing 50 people. this is a large group of people, and it has to be involved, many people working and securing and transporting. and this needs a ceasefire, which hamas told the source that told me that israel, until now, is rejecting the idea of any sort of ceasefire. i have to say that for the last half an hour or so, i can't hear any drones in the sky. and we are not aware of any fresh air strikes for the last half an hour. exactly when they released the two american hostages last time, there was about four hours of pause, unannounced, unofficial. but yes, there was a halt for the fighting for about four hours during the releasing of this. the source said it's
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a work of about a week. and they said from the very beginning, said that all of the nationals, all of the foreigners are guests of hamas and they have not considered them as hostages. but they said we need a real calm so our people can do theirjob and facilitate their release. let's speak to udi goren. his cousin, tal, was among those kidnapped by hamas. thank you so much for speaking to us. i will come onto the latest developments we've heard about what might be happening in terms of negotiations, but first, i want to ask you because i know this will have been a very distressing couple of weeks or so for you, what is the last thing you know in terms of your cousin's whereabouts? first last thing you know in terms of your cousin's whereabouts?— cousin's whereabouts? first of all, thank ou cousin's whereabouts? first of all, thank you for— cousin's whereabouts? first of all, thank you for having _ cousin's whereabouts? first of all, thank you for having me _ cousin's whereabouts? first of all, thank you for having me on - cousin's whereabouts? first of all, thank you for having me on and i thank you for having me on and allowing me to speak on behalf of
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those who cannot speak right now. the last we know of tal, his phone was traced to the gaza strip, actually it was traced to khan younis, the town that was heavily bombarded last night, which is part of the message that we are trying to give out, that we have to stop, directly related to what which is said, we have to stop the bombing, because we don't know where the hostages are, and as long as they are bombing, it's notjust the risk of one hamas might or might not release them, but it is an actual threat to our own people, every single day. threat to our own people, every single day-— threat to our own people, every sinale da . �* ., . ., single day. and now that we have heard reports _ single day. and now that we have heard reports that _ single day. and now that we have heard reports that negotiations i single day. and now that we have l heard reports that negotiations are at a serious stage, we haven't had much more in the way of details yet, but with that development, how much more helpful to you feel? ==
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more helpful to you feel? -- hepeful- _ more helpful to you feel? -- hopeful. tal— more helpful to you feel? -- hopeful. tal is _ more helpful to you feel? -- hopeful. tal is a _ more helpful to you feel? » hopeful. tal is a romanian national, so he might be included in this deal. i don't want to get my hopes up, because they may shatter to the ground, and it's been difficult enough as it is. my hope is to get everyone out, notjust my cousin. of course he is my top priority, but there is no civilian that should be sacrificed at this point, or at any point. there are no civilians that should pay this price on either side, neither israelis nor gazans. this is a way of life, seeing those two women going back to their families two days ago, it's unbelievable, you know, and now, 5a can be saved, and we have at least
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150 more to save. and this hope that it has given israelis and the israeli public, that is what we need now and that's what we're going to need long term, this is what they gazans need as well. but this is by far the darkest hour that israel has ever had. and to get us out of here, more violence would not get us there. what we need is hope, and what we need is a resolution, and to stop the violence. i mean, the numbers that you have mentioned of casualties so far are just unimaginable. and they will keep rising as long as the war continues. i have heard prime minister swannack�*s declaration and sir keir starmer that follow. —— i have heard rishi sunak�*s declaration. i don't
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think there is any israeli that doesn't appreciate the firmer stance the uk takes, and the stress that they put on their own responsibility, and i would like to ask them personally, for every family of the hostages, please make sure that this principle is kept up, because israel does have other interests in mind, with the ground manoeuvre and taking care of hamas, but it is impossible to conceive that a modern democracy would sacrifice a civilian life for any reason when there is an opportunity to save them. reason when there is an opportunity to save them-— reason when there is an opportunity to save them. forgive me, this might be a difficult — to save them. forgive me, this might be a difficult or— to save them. forgive me, this might be a difficult or unwelcome _ be a difficult or unwelcome question, but what do you think the israeli authorities should have done instead? in terms of hamas, when they took the hostages, what would
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you have liked to have seen in terms of israel's reaction, instead of what they've done? in of israel's reaction, instead of what they've done?— of israel's reaction, instead of what they've done? in the first cou - le what they've done? in the first counle of _ what they've done? in the first counle of days _ what they've done? in the first couple of days of _ what they've done? in the first couple of days of this - what they've done? in the first couple of days of this war, - what they've done? in the first i couple of days of this war, israel had to fight and fight hard to contain the situation. no doubt about it. there was nothing to do at that point. but once the situation had been contained, we are now still defending ourselves from gazan rockets, that is true, but right now we are on the offence. and this offensive is risking the lives of our civilians. i keep stressing this because during a war, people make the difference between soldier lives and civilian lives. i don't see it that way but that is what is acceptable. so i will talk to that. but once we have the situation contained, and that has been spoken by any mitigate, any person that has
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specialised in negotiation, that time window to get the civilians out is short. it will not last. it would not last of this land incursion. so what israel has to do, after the state has failed, on october the 7th, the state has failed us, it has failed to protect my family, it has failed to protect my family, it has failed to protect my family, it has failed to make sure that hundreds of thousands of people are safe, and right now, they have to compensate for it and make sure that these people, these families that have already paid such an atrocious toll, don't pay again. right now, israel has to commit to its principles. it was said very loud and clear in your parliament, what sets us apart is that we value human lives, that we value our civilian lives, and we have to prove it. it is not enough to talk about it, we have to prove
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it on the ground, and going into this land incursion before the last of the hostages is out of gaza means that we have given up on this principle. that we have given up on this --rincile. ., ~ that we have given up on this principle-— that we have given up on this --rincile. ., ~' ,, ., ,, ., principle. thank you, and i know this cannot _ principle. thank you, and i know this cannot have _ principle. thank you, and i know this cannot have been _ principle. thank you, and i know this cannot have been easy - principle. thank you, and i know this cannot have been easy for l principle. thank you, and i know l this cannot have been easy for you to talk about so we really appreciate your time in coming on the programme and speaking to us. thank you very much for having me. around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news. let's look at some other stories making the news. ministers have set out plans to tackle the rise in shoplifting, after official figures showed a 25% annual increase in offences in england and wales. the proposals include a police commitment to attend crime scenes, pursue more evidence and use facial recognition to target prolific offenders. a man has been arrested in connection with a huge fire that caused the partial collapse of a multi—storey car park at luton airport this month. bedfordshire police said the 30—year—old was detained on suspicion of criminal damage as a "precautionary measure",
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and that investigations had so far suggested the fire was started accidentally. he's since been released on bail. a charity that helps victims of modern slavery says it's received a steep rise in the number of calls for help from foreign workers in the care sector. unseen uk says many reported paying large sums of money to the people who'd brought them to the uk — and that in some cases their passports had been taken. you're live with bbc news. rishi sunak has made a statement to the house of commons after his bid to israel last week. in as the british comment would be providing extra aid to gaza. we british comment would be providing extra aid to gaza.— extra aid to gaza. we have already committed — extra aid to gaza. we have already committed £10 _ extra aid to gaza. we have already committed £10 billion _ extra aid to gaza. we have already committed £10 billion of _ extra aid to gaza. we have already committed £10 billion of extra - committed £10 billion of extra support to help civilians in gaza and mr speaker, i can announce today
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that we are going further. we are providing an additional £20 million of humanitarian aid to civilians in gaza, more than doubling our previous support of the palestinian people. there are major logistical and political challenges to delivering this aid, which i discussed with president sisi. some aid trucks have entered gaza in the past two days but they carried what's considered less than 8% of the daily need of the palestinians. gaza used to receive 400 to 500 trucks every day. one of the most urgent needs is for fuel, which is expected to run out in two days. the charity save the children says its trucks remain in the queue, while on the other side children are suffering starvation and dehydration. live now to soraya ali from save the children, who is in amman. thank you forjoining us. how desperate is the situation at the moment? , ., ., ., ,.,
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moment? the situation on the border is absolutely — moment? the situation on the border is absolutely devastating, _ moment? the situation on the border is absolutely devastating, as - moment? the situation on the border is absolutely devastating, as you - is absolutely devastating, as you said, the situation right now as we have got children in gaza who are running out of food, water, hospitals are running out of fuel and of the other side, a few miles away, we have trucks full of aid but they are unable to get inside until it is safe to do so. so first and foremost, we absolutely need a ceasefire and we need all parties to stop the violence so we can provide that life—saving aid. we stop the violence so we can provide that life-saving aid.— that life-saving aid. we understand a third convov _ that life-saving aid. we understand a third convoy has _ that life-saving aid. we understand a third convoy has arrived, - that life-saving aid. we understand a third convoy has arrived, can - that life-saving aid. we understand a third convoy has arrived, can you | a third convoy has arrived, can you clarify what's happening on the ground? 50 clarify what's happening on the round? ., ., ., ground? so right now on the ground, save the children _ ground? so right now on the ground, save the children has _ ground? so right now on the ground, save the children has two _ ground? so right now on the ground, save the children has two trucks - save the children has two trucks full of vital supplies ready to go into gaza. supplies are going on steadily but as we have said it is nowhere near enough. to put this into context, gaza is home to 2.3 million people and before the recent escalation in violence, about 80% of
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the population is dependent on aid, so that is hundreds of trucks coming in every day, now we have got dozens of trucks going in, that really is because it is not safe to do so. so first and foremost we need all parties to agree to a ceasefire, to stop the violence and also to adhere to international humanitarian law, so to stop the targeting of hospitals and schools and sacred civilian spaces to ensure that children are protected. hind civilian spaces to ensure that children are protected. and soraya, world leaders _ children are protected. and soraya, world leaders are _ children are protected. and soraya, world leaders are calling _ children are protected. and soraya, world leaders are calling for- children are protected. and soraya, world leaders are calling for aid - world leaders are calling for aid supplies to be free flowing into gaza, are you seeing any difference and is there any confirmation that the third convoy has arrived? weill. the third convoy has arrived? well, the third convoy has arrived? well, the situation _ the third convoy has arrived? well, the situation is _ the third convoy has arrived? well, the situation is so _ the third convoy has arrived? well, the situation is so fluid _ the third convoy has arrived? well, the situation is so fluid right - the third convoy has arrived? -ii the situation is so fluid right now and we are told that hopefully another convoy will arrive, but i think it's important to stress the need right now in gaza and why that aid is so critical. so right now the
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situation is that over a600 people have been killed. 0ver situation is that over a600 people have been killed. over 2000 children have been killed. over 2000 children have been killed. that really is an astonishing figure. we are talking about one child killed every 13 minutes. people who are reliant on rationing of water and food, there is an enormous need, and we appreciate that the aid is flowing very slowly right now, but we needed to go faster and we need more aid. this isjust a drop in the ocean of what is actually required on the ground. what is actually required on the round. �* ., , ., _, ground. and to put it into context, if the aid supply — ground. and to put it into context, if the aid supply going _ ground. and to put it into context, if the aid supply going and - ground. and to put it into context, if the aid supply going and doesn'tj if the aid supply going and doesn't return to the levels that it should be the next few days, but will the consequence be? the consequences will be more — consequence be? the consequences will be more of _ consequence be? the consequences will be more of what _ consequence be? the consequences will be more of what we're - consequence be? the consequences will be more of what we're seeing i will be more of what we're seeing now. the situation is dire and it's getting worse. as i've said, over 2000 children killed. we also know that 1.a million people are
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displaced, some hospitals are saying they only have a couple of days left of fuel and we know that people are rationing the most basic supplies. so in our trucks we have got drinking water, we have got medical supplies, things like hygiene kits and dignity kits, which include toothbrushes and soap but we know if things like body bags are running out, so this is absolutely critical that the aid is able to get in quickly and safely.— that the aid is able to get in quickly and safely. soraya, thank ou ve quickly and safely. soraya, thank you very much — quickly and safely. soraya, thank you very much for _ quickly and safely. soraya, thank you very much for giving - quickly and safely. soraya, thank you very much for giving us - quickly and safely. soraya, thank you very much for giving us your| you very much for giving us your analysis you very much for giving us your anal si ., ~ you very much for giving us your anal si ., ,, ,, you very much for giving us your anal si ., ,, i. . the eu's foreign affairs chiefjosep borrell spoke about the situation at an eu foreign affairs council in luxembourg earlier. dp manu —— analysts say they are clear on the parties to get aid into gaza and to get hostages out, but how much influence do european
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leaders have? for more on this, we can now speak to luigi scazierri, senior research fellow at the centre for european reform. we will come to that point at the moment, but first of all, the initial response from the eu seemed a bit muddled, do you think that's fair? , ~ ., a bit muddled, do you think that's fair? , ,, ., , a bit muddled, do you think that's fair? , ~ ., , ., ., fair? yes, i think that is fair to sa , fair? yes, i think that is fair to say. the _ fair? yes, i think that is fair to say, the initial— fair? yes, i think that is fair to say, the initial response - fair? yes, i think that is fair to say, the initial response was l fair? yes, i think that is fair to l say, the initial response was not particularly smooth. in the days immediately after the hamas atrocities that are a clear division between the member states in different parts of the institution, in particular ursula von der leyen was criticised for what was seen as a very uncritically pro israel stance. i think you have managed to find a more coherent stands now, which in essence amounts to saying that israel has a right in principle to defend itself, but it needs to do so within the parameters of international humanitarian law. that brin . s
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international humanitarian law. that brinrs us international humanitarian law. that brings us back— international humanitarian law. that brings us back to _ international humanitarian law. that brings us back to the earlier question, how much power do they have? because we think of the us as one of the major players in this, what influence can eu have? perhaps as ou what influence can eu have? perhaps as you pointed _ what influence can eu have? perhaps as you pointed out, _ what influence can eu have? perhaps as you pointed out, there _ what influence can eu have? perhaps as you pointed out, there are - what influence can eu have? perhaps as you pointed out, there are three i as you pointed out, there are three parties, the first is getting the hostages out, the second is getting more humanitarian aid into gaza and the third is avoiding further escalation of this conflict because of the risk of a broader regional spillage. in terms of influence, the eu doesn't have an enormous amount, so the us perhaps doesn't have a huge amount ultimately, a lot depends on what israel's political calculations are domestically, but europe can affect those calculations, i think. europe can affect those calculations, ithink. by europe can affect those calculations, i think. by for calculations, ithink. by for example calculations, i think. by for example making israel think twice and if the us calculation, but perhaps it is also worth
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highlighting that the eu's messaging is not only aimed at israel and this country is near to the conflict but also broader because of this risk which eu leaders are very aware of. in a sense the eu's messaging matters a lot even though its actions might matter a bit less. briefly, what about the provision of aid, can they use that to influence it in any way? this aid, can they use that to influence it in any way?— it in any way? as we have 'ust heard, it in any way? as we have 'ust heard. aid fl it in any way? as we have 'ust heard, aid is i it in any way? as we have 'ust heard, aid is absolutely h it in any way? as we have just - heard, aid is absolutely essential, the challenges of getting it in, show that leaders will be signalling after their meeting just how important that is to them. i think a lot of them make the calculation and perhaps this whole criticism of israel, it is only by israel —— by holding israel close that you can get it to listen so i think that's what a lot of those member states are more cautious about, perhaps
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criticising israel.— criticising israel. luigi, thank ou. criticising israel. luigi, thank you- stay _ criticising israel. luigi, thank you. stay with _ criticising israel. luigi, thank you. stay with us _ criticising israel. luigi, thank you. stay with us here - criticising israel. luigi, thank you. stay with us here on - criticising israel. luigi, thank| you. stay with us here on bbc criticising israel. luigi, thank- you. stay with us here on bbc news, plenty more to come and of course you can refer to the website for more information. good afternoon. most of us started off our working week on a cooler, quieter note — welcome news. but there was some rain around and some of it fairly persistent out towards the southwest with this weather front. we could also see more rain moving into the southeast of england later on in the day. but that front out to the west, well, it broughtjust shy of two inches of rain injust six hours. the isles of scilly, it was a miserable start to monday morning here. elsewhere, a few scattered showers moving their way up through wales. but it's a relatively quiet day for many and in fact we've got sunshine across northern england and for the bulk of scotland. as we go through the day,
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clouding over a little across england and wales, particularly down to the southeast where there's a risk of some rain arriving here to close out play. temperatures generally around 11 to 16 degrees, a smidge above where they should be really still for this time of year. as we go through the evening and overnight, we'll see some rain, some of it heavy, pushing its way in areas where we don't need it across east anglia, lincolnshire, parts of the east midlands and into yorkshire as well. and at the same time that's going to bejoined by another weather front moving in from the southwest. with the cloud and rain around, those temperatures will hold up into double digits, but there's more wet weather to come as we go through to tuesday. so if we look at that in a little more detail, it's this weather front that's just pushing in off the north sea and it might bring outbreaks of rain — fairly showery, but nevertheless, we do not need any more rain in these areas. and that's going to be persistently there throughout the day. to the north of that, we keep some sunshine and a drier story in scotland. to the south, there'll be a few scattered showers. and again, those temperatures
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between 11 and 16 degrees. wednesday will start off on a relatively quiet note with a ridge of high pressure. it's not going to last as the next frontal system is likely to nudge in from the west as we go through the day. so it'll be a quiet start, a few showers pushing in off the north sea. some sunshine for some of us across england and wales before outbreaks of rain arrive by the end of the day on wednesday. a little bit cooler, 10 to 1a degrees on the whole. but that weather front will bring some wet and windy weather potentially thundery to begin with as it moves its way steadily north and east. don't expect any change to the weather story as we move to the weekend and into next week. it stays pretty autumnal.
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this is bbc news, the headlines. israel intensifies its bombardment of the gaza strip, with dozens of strikes on the south of the territory. israeli forces say they have carried out limited raids inside the gaza strip, as troops wait for the launch of a ground offensive more trucks queue up at the rafah crossing from egypt, waiting for the green light to head into gaza. the un agency for palestinian refugees says the situation in southern gaza is so bad, some civilians are returning north, despite israeli warnings to stay away.

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