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the region has the in the region has the humanitarian situation in gaza got worse and worse, they still support got worse and worse, they still su . .o | , l, �* , got worse and worse, they still sumo. n, �*, got worse and worse, they still suo... �*, t, got worse and worse, they still suo-nl �*, l, l, support israel's pain for a round support israel's pain for a ground invasion - support israel's pain for a ground invasion because l support israel's pain for a - ground invasion because they want israel, or they believe that israel should deal a forceful blow against hamas, but the consequences of that kind of operation and how it is conducted, there is a lot of consequences bearing on that, and they are speaking about that more and more. he saw that and howjohn kirby handled those questions today about israel's military campaign. barbara, and how the operation itself will be conducted, have we had any indications from the statements that have come out from israel from the idf today to suggest how it will look? we haven't had any operational details come out. we had them saying there stepping up their air strikes and that they are expanding the ground incursions. we know generally
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that what they want to do is to destroy hamas infrastructure and to destroy hamas leadership. there's a whole network of tunnels. it has places where it can operate from underneath the ground. in the israelis won't know, so it's going to be quite an effort to destroy. one of the reasons they've been carrying off these air strikes part of that network, part of the command—and—control was underneath hospitals or was embedded in hospitals. he specifically mentioned in the she for hospital, brought
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forward what he said was evidence. that hamas was basically operating out of those hospitals —— shifa. that is something that has triggered alarm amongst human rights groups. the human rights watch issued a statement saying it is against the laws of war if you hamas is using hospitals to conduct military operations. under the laws of war, hospitals have special protections unless they are committing acts against the enemy. even then, you need to get them to recording. human rights watch felt the need to speu rights watch felt the need to spell out what international law says about protecting civilians and doctors and nurses. i think that's an indication of how the complexity of the situation where the israelis might be looking. where the israelis might be lookinu. ., ,, looking. from the us perspective, - looking. from the us perspective, a - looking. from the us perspective, a lot - looking. from the us perspective, a lot ofl looking. from the us - perspective, a lot of focus from the various spokespeople on the support. there was a lot
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of talk about the deterrent in the region. what can you tell us about that?— us about that? that is one of the very big _ us about that? that is one of the very big concerns - us about that? that is one of the very big concerns of- us about that? that is one of the very big concerns of the l the very big concerns of the united states and they were telegraphing that to the israelis over the past week or so. they were concerned broadly that there would be an escalation in the region that groups backed by iran would startjoining the fight, which could spiral into a regional conflagration. they've been giving warnings to a run from the beginning that it shall not trigger that sort of thing. equally, they're worried about attacks on their forces in the region, especially in iraq and syria, where they have hundreds of troops. they have had attacks against those troops in the past week or so. that is not necessarily unusual, but in
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this context, it was seen as quite alarming to the pentagon. they have been really rushing to get extra defensive systems into the region. another reason they have been signalling to hold off on the big round incursion, they did conduct air strikes against targets in syria recently. they said this was against facilities that are operated by iranian forces, and it was meant as a deterrent message. although, they tried to separate the two. they said this about our forces in iraq and syria that are fighting isis and about attacks on them there. this doesn't have anything to do with the israel hamas conflict. clearly that is the worry that the two would get invaded. that is one of their really big concerns. barbara, state department correspondent, thank you for that. calling for humanitarian
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truce in gaza just hours after israel's defence forces of. this is the moment but the resolution earned two thirds of the support and past. it's the first un ring out response to the war after the security counsel failed on four attempts to reach consensus. the resolution proposed byjordan of more than 45 member states. resolution calls for an immediate humanitarian truce and demands all parties comply with international humanitarian law. it also called for the flow of essential aid into gaza and the release of all civilian hostages. it makes no mention of the russian president's attack on israel by hamas. the
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director general of the world health organization posted on x. claimant the israeli ambassador condemned the resolution. today is a day that _ condemned the resolution. today is a day that will _ condemned the resolution. today is a day that will go _ condemned the resolution. today is a day that will go down - condemned the resolution. today is a day that will go down in - is a day that will go down in infamy. this organisation was founded in the wake of a holocaust —— the holocaust. yet the
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spectacle we just saw proves beyond a doubt that the un is committed sadly, tragically, not to preventing but to ensuring further atrocities. israel just ensuring further atrocities. israeljust endured the largest massacre of dues since the holocaust and according to a majority of the so—called family of nations, israel is no right to defend itself —— jews. entire communities have been an intern exterminated by jihadists, whose sole goal is to a annihilate thejewish state. there is no reasoning with evil like this. there are no talks or discussions to be held. we saw exactly what they dream of doing to every israeli and jew. we will not sit idly by to let them rearm and commit such atrocities again. we want is as every single other member state in this room wouldn't.
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the palestinian ambassador has been speaking. with to listen. grateful that the general assembly, the bigger house for all the nations, the small and the big, the poor and the rich at the general assembly was more courageous, more principled. and the president of the general assembly. he was a brave man, met with us in the morning and he defended traditions and norms of the general assembly in dealing with issues related to the maintenance of international peace and security that required a two thirds majority and the general assembly prevailed and send the appropriate message not only to the palestinian people that there isjustice and fairness and international humanitarian law upholding by the general assembly. but also it sent a message to everyone, enough is enough. this war has to stop. the carnage against our people has to stop.
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and humanitarian assistance should begin to enter the gaza strip with at least 100 truckloads of humanitarian assistance and to stop the crime against humanity of forced transfer. are you in correspondent has been following the day's events and sent this update —— un correspondent. and sent this update -- un correspondent.— and sent this update -- un correspondent. diplomats were votinu correspondent. diplomats were voting just _ correspondent. diplomats were voting just as — correspondent. diplomats were voting just as israel _ correspondent. diplomats were voting just as israel was - voting just as israel was expanding. the resolution passed with a round of applause with an overwhelming number of nations in the general assembly supporting it. some noting that the world was watching, how the general assembly would act after four failed resolutions in the security council. the united nations had described how palestinians were living a
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hell on earth because of israel's bombardment and siege, and they pleaded for life—saving supplies to get in unhindered, including water and fuel and basic medicines and fuels —— food supplies. they also wanted to see a cease—fire. is it has divided western nations. we saw the united states it, israel's sanchez ally, voted against this resolution. —— a staunchest ally. other nations argued that there wasn't a direct combination of him not —— condemnation of hamas. but the authors had argued that the resolution was strictly humanitarian, it didn't blame either hamas or israel and it did mention the october the 7th attacks in the text. but several european members who did vote in favour of this,
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including france, ireland, spain and belgium, who ambassador remarked after the boat that even war had rules. israel had opposed it, saying they had a right to self—defense, that is what stopped their ability from protecting their citizens from the threat posed by hamas, and in the chamber, they attacked the legitimacy of the united nations and they claimed that there was no humanitarian crisis in gaza. this draught put forward by arab nations is not legally binding, so it is unlikely to cause israel to change his course, but it does carry the weight of world opinion. carry the weight of world opinion-— carry the weight of world oinion. ., , opinion. our panel are still with us- — thank you both forjoining us. gina, just to pick up on
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something that barbara plett usher had mentioned earlier around the shifa hospital, singling that out as a place that israel sees as having a hamas operation underneath the hospital, what did you make of his decision to mention that? it certainly raises questions about where some of the munitions are falling. even now, there are rules, as i think the palestinian representative said, even in war there are rules and hospitals have particular predictions. we won't know until tomorrow or later as to whether the hospital became a target. they've been running low on fuel and trying to move people out. we can't know yet. it is concerning because it did sound like it may be a flag,
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and that is one of the challenges for the israelis to carry out their stated goal of eradicating hamas �*s hamas does operate underneath these protected targets. itjust shows how difficult that's going to be and i think that's why the questions are becoming more active from the us government and others about what does the end of this look like, even before we get to what comes next? what does success look like? and is not as an unnamed idf officer said to the israeli press, it is a gaza strip of rubble. what happens to the two .2 million in housing, you have a crisis of the government that doesn't think it's right now. there certainly will be. simply with the lack of housing and infrastructure and it's the lack of housing and infrastructure and its october and it will soon be november and it will soon be november and it will soon be november and it gets cold in the gaza
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strip for sure. {lin and it gets cold in the gaza strip for sure.— and it gets cold in the gaza strip for sure. on that point of rules of— strip for sure. on that point of rules of war _ strip for sure. on that point of rules of war or _ strip for sure. on that point of rules of war or a - strip for sure. on that point of rules of war or a lack- of rules of war or a lack thereof and the diplomacy around all of this, for three weeks now, we've been looking at the un and international communities standing on the outskirts of gaza. what does it say to you about the un or how the international community functions or doesn't in cases like this?— functions or doesn't in cases likethis? ., ., ., ., , like this? for a portion of my career, like this? for a portion of my career. i _ like this? for a portion of my career, i worked _ like this? for a portion of my career, i worked for - like this? for a portion of my career, i worked for the us i career, i worked for the us ambassador to united nations. i can tell— ambassador to united nations. i can tell you the system is somewhat broken, especially the security— somewhat broken, especially the security council. i watched the president _ security council. i watched the president of syria, backed by vladimir— president of syria, backed by vladimir putin, utterly annihilate any opposition in syria. — annihilate any opposition in syria, levelling urban sectors, cities — syria, levelling urban sectors, cities like _ syria, levelling urban sectors, cities like aleppo. displacing millions, killing perhapsi
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millions, killing perhaps 1 million _ millions, killing perhapsi million. essentially, the world watched — million. essentially, the world watched it, and whatever efforts— watched it, and whatever efforts came before, i think i lost — efforts came before, i think i lost count_ efforts came before, i think i lost count after 14 russian vetoes _ lost count after 14 russian vetoes. really, the sad thing is we're _ vetoes. really, the sad thing is we're watching it play out in russia _ is we're watching it play out in russia. the united states is playing — in russia. the united states is playing the role of russia. gaza — playing the role of russia. gaza is _ playing the role of russia. gaza is 50% children. these are children— gaza is 50% children. these are children who the parents are writing — children who the parents are writing their names on their limbs— writing their names on their limbs in— writing their names on their limbs in case they die and are blown — limbs in case they die and are blown to— limbs in case they die and are blown to pieces so they could be identified. it's a complicated world we live in, but we — complicated world we live in, but we live in the united states. _ but we live in the united states, and president biden can absolutely make a difference here — absolutely make a difference here. we cannot stop. we can absolutely do a betterjob, and ithink— absolutely do a betterjob, and i think this is the moment. what — i think this is the moment. what does that betterjob look like? what does that better 'ob look like? �* , ., like? being very forthright that we need _ like? being very forthright that we need absolutely i like? being very forthright that we need absolutely a| that we need absolutely a
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pause, _ that we need absolutely a pause, that not only a ground invasion, _ pause, that not only a ground invasion, but also the aerial bombardment of a two point two million _ bombardment of a two point two million people stuck in... we also — million people stuck in... we also need _ million people stuck in... we also need an offer at that lives _ also need an offer at that lives to— also need an offer at that lives to a dialogue that releases any hostages, as well as a _ releases any hostages, as well as a more _ releases any hostages, as well as a more credible political process— as a more credible political process that leads to self—determination of the palestinians. that's what it's always— palestinians. that's what it's always been about. that's what it's always _ always been about. that's what it's always going to be. can president _ it's always going to be. can president biden _ it's always going to be. can president biden do - it's always going to be. can president biden do that, though? and he persuaded benjamin netanyahu to stop that? any effort to do so does fire —— thus far has not succeeded. it fire -- thus far has not succeeded.— fire -- thus far has not succeeded. .. , succeeded. it can, but it will take a long _ succeeded. it can, but it will take a long time. _ succeeded. it can, but it will take a long time. we - succeeded. it can, but it will take a long time. we know l succeeded. it can, but it will. take a long time. we know what the prime — take a long time. we know what the prime minister stands for. his own— the prime minister stands for. his own people have rebelled against — his own people have rebelled against him because he's undermining their own democracy. however, we have to asked _ democracy. however, we have to asked today to get that cease—fire in four or five weeks. _ cease—fire in four or five weeks, so the longer we wait, more — weeks, so the longer we wait, more civilians will be dead.
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joe biden can you make the promise _ joe biden can you make the promise or do things? know, but he can— promise or do things? know, but he can ask— promise or do things? know, but he can ask eventually, because of the — he can ask eventually, because of the unparalleled support that— of the unparalleled support that was surprised that might provide — that was surprised that might provide to israel. without it, the israelis will eventually have — the israelis will eventually have to _ the israelis will eventually have to listen. is the israelis will eventually have to listen.— have to listen. is there a ti uni have to listen. is there a tipping point _ have to listen. is there a tipping point that - have to listen. is there a tipping point that you i have to listen. is there a i tipping point that you think would make president biden switch position in that way? we're already looking at a death toll in gaza, according to the hamas run ministry of health, of 7,000, to the hamas run ministry of health, of7,000, and nearly 3,000 her children. what is the point which the us, which president biden says enough? i think the point should have already— think the point should have already happened. i will share with— already happened. i will share with you — already happened. i will share with you and the audience that i was _ with you and the audience that i was in — with you and the audience that i was in the meeting with the president yesterday with a number— president yesterday with a number of arab and muslim leaders _ number of arab and muslim leaders who deplored the president to do what i propose - two— president to do what i propose — two absolutely israeli government to leverage the
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unprecedented support that he has provided him. whatever you want _ has provided him. whatever you want to— has provided him. whatever you want to call it. to allow the hostages _ want to call it. to allow the hostages to be released. that's what's — hostages to be released. that's what's needed right now. obviously, to ramp up humanitarian as this is that's most — humanitarian as this is that's most needed and to put forth some — most needed and to put forth some sort of process. it may not _ some sort of process. it may not be — some sort of process. it may not be completed soon, but if anybody — not be completed soon, but if anybody can do it, it would be joe biden _ anybody can do it, it would be joe biden. given his steadfast support— joe biden. given his steadfast support for the state of israel. _ support for the state of israel, he's a self—declared practice _ israel, he's a self—declared practice of zionism. if anyone can do— practice of zionism. if anyone can do it. _ practice of zionism. if anyone can do it. i_ practice of zionism. if anyone can do it, i think it's this president. but it has to begin a conscious decision. reorient our approach to this region to stop— our approach to this region to stop bypassing the just the well—being of the people. the report— well—being of the people. the report is— well—being of the people. the report is a wonderful idea, e>
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forgotten. it's time we pause, we really— forgotten. it's time we pause, we really think and engage in a more _ we really think and engage in a more holistic manner that will lead _ more holistic manner that will lead to— more holistic manner that will lead to sustainable peace that both _ lead to sustainable peace that both israelis and palestinians deserve _ both israelis and palestinians deserve. �* . ~ both israelis and palestinians deserve. �* ., ,, ., deserve. ok, we'll talk about the humanitarian _ deserve. ok, we'll talk about the humanitarian situation i the humanitarian situation there, the director of the world health organization has said that they've lost touch with all of their health facilities. health workers and the rest of the humanitarian partners in the territory and the head of the united nations has warned that the humanitarian situation in the territory is facing total collapse. the 2 million people living there, unless israel lets more aid in, immediate consequences. by by any means possible, precious supplies towards the thirsty and the tired. here, seeking
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shelter in schools. confined in a place the un says is becoming a place the un says is becoming a hell. translation: you can see the pain we live in. my husband suffers from a stroke. i plead to the whole world to look at the palestinian people with the most of life. —— a merciful eye. newsreel: a few pitifull refugees rescue what few belongings they can. ..like many palestinians whose children and grandchildren were born in refugee camps. for nearly 75 years, the un has been working to meet their welfare needs of palestinian refugees. so, if we look back over our shoulders, this is a timeline... today, as events built towards a ground attack, its representatives called for a ceasefire. what's happening now in gaza is just a horrific slaughter. 2.2 million people, in a tiny patch of land —
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it's called the strip for a reason — it's 45 kilometres long by about 20 at its largest point. so it's a strip and there's nowhere for those people to go, there's nowhere for them to flee. many have tried to find sanctuary in schools. all teaching has stopped in gaza. generations are crowded together here. still, the customary civilities are observed. fatima shaat was also displaced in 1948. gaza back then was a refuge. today, it is a trap. translation: it's very hard. i live next to the toilets. i'm very sick. and more than 13 members of my family have been killed. there's not much in life she hasn't seen or any choice about what she must now endure. in the hours before what israel
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called tonight's unprecedented attacks, samira comforted the children — caught fergal keane, bbc news, jerusalem. more than 200 hostages are still being held in gaza. among them are believed to be these three israeli children and their mother. their father has travelled to washington to petition the us lawmakers to help secure their release and that of other children and held hostage in gaza by hamas. helen humphreys spoke with him earlier. 0k, ok, we seem to have a little difficulty bringing that to you, so we will come back. gina, just to come back to something that we heard earlier from one of the israeli spokespeople, saying that a cease—fire would mean an end to the country as israel sees it. how is there a way out of this conflict when the positions are so firm in each camp?-
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conflict when the positions are so firm in each camp? yeah, it is auoin so firm in each camp? yeah, it is going to _ so firm in each camp? yeah, it is going to take _ so firm in each camp? yeah, it is going to take courage - so firm in each camp? yeah, it is going to take courage and i is going to take courage and leadership, as i said to break the cycle. it's an extraordinary time for israelis. the attack was unthinkable. forall of israelis. the attack was unthinkable. for all of us, israelis. the attack was unthinkable. forall of us, not just for israelis. they are still very close to that initial shock and pain and horror, which is why they had so much support from the rest of us, absolutely. but it does mean that friends of israel have got to help them understand that we have to put it from two —— from the violence. there's no other way. that political process has to be returned to. so, questions about where does this end, what does eradicating hamas look like that is going to allow them to stand firmly and not be
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ostracised or criticised by the rest of the world for the number of civilian deaths that are likely to happen. this is a very delicate balance. clearly, many already think it's been tipped. you see the united nations general assembly resolution calling for a cease—fire. people are already terribly concerned and believe it is heinous death, a death by a government, civilians, women, children, innocents are still dead. �* . children, innocents are still dead. r �* children, innocents are still dead. a �* , ., children, innocents are still dead. a , ., ., dead. as well, you're plea to president — dead. as well, you're plea to president biden _ dead. as well, you're plea to president biden to _ dead. as well, you're plea to president biden to change i dead. as well, you're plea to | president biden to change his position, do you think he will, or do you think it's really his and his gift alone at this point to try to stop this conflict? i point to try to stop this conflict?— conflict? i think he has brilliant _ conflict? i think he has brilliant minds - conflict? i think he has brilliant minds around | conflict? i think he has - brilliant minds around him who understand what is happening and will do their best to
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advise and counsel him. i know he is a man of compassion, a self—declared a zionist, which is a lovely thought. and yet, his compassion has to be for humanity in general, and that means palestinians as well as israelis. i believe firmly, you can stand with israel without being quiescent for understanding about the death of thousands of people. what can be worth that? and again, the ability to eradicate hamas is a difficult undertaking. we heard that the israelis have bombed gaza before and the tunnels, the deep placement of weapons, etc, it seems almost an impossible task. in the cost is something that the world will hold all of us who allowed it to happen to account. ok. will hold all of us who allowed it to happen to account. ok, we have to leave _ it to happen to account. ok, we have to leave it _ it to happen to account. ok, we have to leave it there _ it to happen to account. ok, we have to leave it there for -
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have to leave it there for the moment. gina and out, thank you very much. you stay with hello there. it's remaining unsettled this weekend with low pressure sticking close—by. we'll see showers or longer spells of rain, some sunshine as well. it's not going to be a complete wash—out. the winds will be quite blustery, particularly close to the coast, thanks to this pretty vigorous area of low pressure which has been with us for a while now, and could to the west of ireland bringing all these showers, even longer spells of rain and stronger winds with little areas of low pressure running around it — one such system moving across the country during saturday night. saturday itself starts off with a fine note through the midlands, some low cloud and sunshine but showers in the south and the west, spreading northwards, with more persistent rain affecting eastern scotland with stronger winds and some brightness for western scotland with shelter from the easterly breeze. temperatures 10—16. later in the day, we will start to see one of these little areas of low pressure bringing wet and windy weather to southern england and south
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wales, spreading northwards during the night ending up across parts of scotland and northern ireland, the north of it staying windy and quite blustery, for the second half of the night across england and wales with clear spells and scattered showers. temperatures nowhere particularly cold, 9—11 degrees. don't forget early on sunday morning, the clocks go back one hour, so for many of us, it is an extra hour in bed. but sunday does look unsettled, particularly scotland, northern ireland, where it will be wet with some of the heaviest of the rain towards eastern scotland. we could have some flooding issues here, strong winds as well. england and wales will have a mixture of sunny spells and showers, most of the showers towards the south and the west, some of them could be heavy and thundery. temperatures a little bit cool across northern scotland, otherwise it's the mid—teens further south. little change into monday, the low pressure begins to weaken, but it's still close by enough to bring further unsettled weather, and i think for most, it's going be a mixture of sunshine and showers again.
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most of the showers towards the south and the west, where they could be quite heavy and blustery winds across the south and west. in northern and eastern scotland, rain over the tops of the cairngorms — it will be chilly here. further south, low— to mid—teens. staying unsettled into the first week of november. with low pressure systems moving across the country, there is a chance towards the end of the new week, we could see some severe gales, so stay tuned to the forecast.
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live from washington, this is bbc news. large explosions are seen in gaza as israel's bombardment bills. israelalso gaza as israel's bombardment bills. israel also says it is expanding ground operations. the course for humanitarian trees is 120 countries vote in favour of a resolution. meanwhile, the humanitarian situation in gaza grows worse. hamas health ministry says 7000 people have been killed since israel's bombing began.
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