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this is bbc news, the headlines... hamas has released a video appearing to show three israeli women being held hostage. israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu has described the footage as "cruel psychological propaganda", and said his government was doing it all it could to bring hostages home. the israeli army says it's expanding its operations in the gaza strip with more infantry, artillery and armoured vehicles entering the territory. israel says it hit 600 military targets in 2a hours and killed dozens of hamas fighters. the un agency for palestinian refugees says "hundreds" of patients are stuck in hospitals in northern gaza. doctors say israel told staff to evacuate al-quds hospital in gaza city on sunday, but that moving patients — many of whom are in intensive care — is impossible. (pres)
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let's start once again with that breaking news — that hamas has released a video, appearing to show three israeli women being held hostage. the bbc is not showing the video, which has been described as �*distressing'. israel's prime minister, benjamin netanyahu has described the video as �*cruel psychological propaganda', and said his government was doing it all it could to bring hostages home. "i turn to elena tru—panov, daniel aloni and rimon kirsht who were kidnapped by hamas who commits war crimes. i hug you. he then added — ”we are doing everything to bring all the hostages and missing people home." we can speak now to noam sagi. his mother, ada, was kidnapped from the nir oz kibbutz on 7th october. thank you forjoining us here on bbc news. another terribly difficult
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day. your reaction, first of all, to the release of this video? we were kind of expecting _ the release of this video? we were kind of expecting it _ the release of this video? we were kind of expecting it for _ the release of this video? we were kind of expecting it for quite - the release of this video? we were kind of expecting it for quite some | kind of expecting it for quite some time, the psychological torture that we find ourselves in for the last three weeks, it will intensify everyday, just get more difficult. it is something that we expect, it is never easy. it is not something that... life does not prepare you for a moment like this and it is not easy. in our life now it is good news to see that they are alive, but it is distressing. find news to see that they are alive, but it is distressing.— it is distressing. and of course we have no idea _ it is distressing. and of course we have no idea about _ it is distressing. and of course we have no idea about levels - it is distressing. and of course we have no idea about levels of- have no idea about levels of coercion used to actually extract what was said in this video, so certainly, everything we have heard from the israeli government, very careful. but you talked about the excruciating moments. iwas listening to one family member only
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last week, who said they had simply lost contact of what day of the week it was. or they could know was that it was. or they could know was that it was. or they could know was that it was either day 18, day 19, d 20, since october the 7th. is it similar for you? since october the 7th. is it similar for ou? , , , , ., for you? yes. it is very similar. i think it feels — for you? yes. it is very similar. i think it feels like _ for you? yes. it is very similar. i think it feels like one _ for you? yes. it is very similar. i think it feels like one long - for you? yes. it is very similar. i think it feels like one long day. l for you? yes. it is very similar. i | think it feels like one long day. it is very hard to get sleep. and so much is happening. but nothing is happening. the one thing you want to happening. the one thing you want to happen is not happening, or at least, we don't know. if there is something going on, we don't know about it, but the reality is, we are working around the clock, sitting here with you, and i'm going from one place to the other, trying to put all my weight and influence in so many different ways. it has never been so intense but the reality is nothing is happening, at the same time, and that is quite tricky to the brain to contain. tell
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time, and that is quite tricky to the brain to contain.— the brain to contain. tell our viewers a — the brain to contain. tell our viewers a little _ the brain to contain. tell our viewers a little bit _ the brain to contain. tell our viewers a little bit more - the brain to contain. tell our. viewers a little bit more about the brain to contain. tell our - viewers a little bit more about your mother, and how you think perhaps she will be coping with three weeks plus? we she will be coping with three weeks lus? ~ , she will be coping with three weeks lus? . , , ., , she will be coping with three weeks lus?. , , ., , she will be coping with three weeks lus? , ., , , she will be coping with three weeks lus?~ , , . , , ., plus? we 'ust pray that she is in no harm. i plus? we just pray that she is in no harm- i know _ plus? we just pray that she is in no harm. i know she _ plus? we just pray that she is in no harm. i know she was _ plus? we just pray that she is in no harm. i know she was injured - plus? we just pray that she is in no harm. i know she was injured when j harm. i know she was injured when she was taken from her home. ijust hope that that is not a significant injury. we don't know the details of that. in her nature she would look after the kids and she would look after the kids and she would look after the kids and she would look after the elderly. she is 75 but she would find herself probably looking after their 80 plus and the kids. she is very positive and strong in her nature. i am worried because if she is underground, i know that her respiratory system is not the best and she will struggle. but it is a
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lot of worries and i can worry in so many different directions. this is what it is all about.— what it is all about. that is a fascinating _ what it is all about. that is a fascinating phrase _ what it is all about. that is a fascinating phrase you - what it is all about. that is a fascinating phrase you use, | what it is all about. that is a i fascinating phrase you use, you prefer to fantasise, rather than prefer to fa ntasise, rather than actually prefer to fantasise, rather than actually take time to worry for all of those areas that potentially are so negative. you said something incredibly startling when i was listening to do a radio interview last week. you said that seems at the kibbutz on october seven where there was looting, give you hope. just explain a little more what you mean by that?— just explain a little more what you mean b that? ., ., mean by that? you look at the videos and ou mean by that? you look at the videos and you look — mean by that? you look at the videos and you look at _ mean by that? you look at the videos and you look at the _ mean by that? you look at the videos and you look at the footage _ mean by that? you look at the videos and you look at the footage that - and you look at the footage that came on that day. it is all very, very distressing and very difficult to watch. but when i see people, ordinary gazans, who come into the bits, into the community, and take coffee machines and they take kids' bikes with them, what they have in mind is that they are going to
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improve the lifestyle wherever they are. and i think anyone who is doing thatis are. and i think anyone who is doing that is actually thinking about the future. they want to better their future. they want to better their future. that gives me hope because it tells me that these people are not really hamas. they are not really the people who created this horrendous atrocity. these are ordinary people, like me and like my mum, who want a better future, probably with a kids's bike, going around. and that gives me a lot of hope. this is where we can see change, this is where future has a chance to be different than what we see right now in front of our eyes. i was just reading out the statement from israel's prime minister reacting to this video, only a while ago. an editorial published a while ago. an editorial published a while ago says the state does not have the
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mandate to sacrifice 229 plus people. the government must declare the return of the hostages is their most important goal. where are you in terms of the tactics you have seen from israel's government, the launch of this ground incursion. what do you think, as you have watched things develop over the last two or three days? i am watched things develop over the last two or three days?— two or three days? i am not a military exoert _ two or three days? i am not a military expert and _ two or three days? i am not a military expert and i - two or three days? i am not a military expert and i am - two or three days? i am not a military expert and i am not l two or three days? i am not aj military expert and i am not a politician. i am a son who wants his mum back. the reason you talk to me is because someone decided to take my mum out of her home. now i have questions about my views. this is something i am happy to share. i think israel have very little leveraged. so i think it's wrong to try to create leveraged on the ground in the military aspect. i
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think leveraged should come from qatar. this is where people have the power to come up with a deal and i think if we will now release 230 people, hostages, back, it will de—escalate and end the cycle, and hopefully everything will completely relax. so i think we are looking at the wrong end. israel will react because this is what they will do. might make that is a very interesting assessment because we were listening earlier, only 15 minutes ago, to mark saying that the action on the ground was designed to ratchet up the pressure, that is how the government saw it, ratchets up the government saw it, ratchets up the pressure on hamas, in a way to get the release of those hostages. noam, thank you for talking to us on bbc news. �* , ., ., noam, thank you for talking to us on
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bbc news. �*, ., ~ ., , .,, stop live now to hostage negotiator, gershon baskin... and just drink what we were hearing from noam, that the focus needed to be on qatar. in terms of this development of a hostage video, give me your assessment of what that does in terms of potentially upping the pressure again on the israeli prime minister? , ., ., ~ minister? first of all i think we have to recognise _ minister? first of all i think we have to recognise that - minister? first of all i think we have to recognise that the - minister? first of all i think we l have to recognise that the three women we saw our life. they don't appear to have been tortured. they definitely do look under duress, and there is no doubt that this is aimed at pressuring israeli society to pressure the israeli government to make the deal that hamas is demanding, which is all for all, all the hostages for all the prisoners in israeli prisons, palestinian prisoners, between six and thousand sales people, of whom 559 are
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serving life sentences, some of the multiple life sentences, for murdering israelis. that is what we are talking about here and that is the extraordinary dilemma that the decision—makers need to deal with. and in terms of the negotiations, we know, before the ground offensive, that those were going on. what is your understanding of where that potentially now is? is your interpretation that they would not making progress and so the ground invasion started, or potentially those contacts, those negotiations, are still going on? which do you think it is? i are still going on? which do you think it is?— are still going on? which do you think it is? , ., ., ., , think it is? i believe negotiations are still going — think it is? i believe negotiations are still going on, _ think it is? i believe negotiations are still going on, not _ think it is? i believe negotiations are still going on, not only - think it is? i believe negotiations are still going on, not only in - are still going on, not only in qatar but also in egypt. in fact i personally have more confidence in the egyptian track then qatar, but the egyptian track then qatar, but the pressure has seemed to be all and qatar. it doesn't matter who succeeds or who gets credit, the point is there is a moral
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responsibility of the government of israel to return all hostages and the window of opportunity is open as long as the full ground incursion has begun. so i think there is an intent of israel putting more pressure on mac want to make a deal. we have to understand that the deal is notjust the exchange we are talking about where to come out all the hostages for other prisoners. the question is, is it being done in one release or are they all going to be released at the same time? is hamas going to try to drag this over a longer period of time? where the palestinian prisoners going to go? are they going to be sent to gaza will some of them be allowed to go back to their homes in the west bank? most of them are from the west bank? most of them are from the west bank missed most of them are not members of hamas, but we have a group of people who are in prison, for trying to do things against israel and israelis, some of them have done horrific things against israelis, and there are real security risks involved here that the government of israel needs to deal with. 50
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the government of israel needs to deal with. ., the government of israel needs to dealwith. ., ' . ., , deal with. so how difficult does it then make _ deal with. so how difficult does it then make it _ deal with. so how difficult does it then make it to _ deal with. so how difficult does it then make it to be even - deal with. so how difficult does it i then make it to be even considering releasing, if not the majority, then all of them? i releasing, if not the ma'ority, then an of them?— all of them? i think that the public ressure all of them? i think that the public pressure and _ all of them? i think that the public pressure and the _ all of them? i think that the public pressure and the public _ all of them? i think that the public pressure and the public opinion . all of them? i think that the public pressure and the public opinion in | pressure and the public opinion in israel has shifted sharply from three weeks ago, when gnome was the great agreement across all of israel that the primary directive was to remove hamas ability to govern gaza and threaten israel. dismantling hamas was the directive and that has changed. i would wager to say that this dilemma there is bubbly a majority say that the first priority is the hostages. the weight of the message of the families of the hostages, the story is that we have told, the pictures of the infants, the children, the women, the elderly, all this hostages being held, is weighing heavily on israeli society. there is no doubt this latest video will increase public resolve to free the hostages first.
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there is probably no way of freeing all the hostages without a negotiated agreement, doing an agreement for part of the hostages, the civilians, women, elderly, would still leave tens of hostages in hamas's hands, probably 60 or 70, we don't know how many they consider to be soldiers. that is an impossible reality for israel to deal with as well. ., ., reality for israel to deal with as well. . ~ , ., reality for israel to deal with as well. . ~ y ., ., reality for israel to deal with as well. . ~ ., ., , ., well. thank you for “oining us and aaivin us well. thank you for “oining us and giving us those — well. thank you forjoining us and giving us those reflections. - well. thank you forjoining us and j giving us those reflections. thank you for being here on bbc news. as casualties mount on both sides of the conflict, the international community has called for a humantarian pause, if not a ceasefire. but both sides continue to accuse each other of atrocities and show no signs of backing down. we can now speak to david scheffer, the former us ambassador at large for war crimes issues. thank you, david, for being here on the programme. let's take this in
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stages, if we could. in terms of what happened on october the 7th, the killings, the hostagetaking, and now, hostage video is like we have seen being released in the last couple of hours. where is your analysis in terms of breaches of international law?— analysis in terms of breaches of international law? what happened on october seven _ international law? what happened on october seven was _ international law? what happened on october seven was unquestionably i october seven was unquestionably breaches of international law. international humanitarian law, international criminal law. there is a lot of international law that was violated. that was violations by hamas, with respect to exactions against mostly israeli civilians in the kibbutz area of israel. that is pretty unquestionable. in terms of the hostages that are now held by hamas, of course hostagetaking itself is illegal. it is a war
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crime. hamas committed that war crime. hamas committed that war crime in taking the hostages. we saw today, particularly the film of these three hostages, i do agree with the individuals you interview just before me, that the only good news one takes out of this is proof of life, that in fact there is proof that these women are leased alive. however they clearly have been... one can speculate pretty positively that they have been compelled to say what they said. in fact it was sort of odd, frankly, the drafting of what they had to say, because hamas, if hamas was coaching the more compelling them to say these things, was basically saying, you, netanyahu and the israeli government, failed to protectors and caused us to be held as hostages by hamas, which is
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sort of strange distortion, obviously, of what happened. there is a lot of blame to go around in the israeli government but the idea that now the hostages are somehow lecturing through the voice of hamas, that the israeli government has failed and therefore, by failing to protect them, that would lead to the need to release the hostages in return for all of the palestinian prisoners in israel, it's a rather distorted message. it doesn't make much sense. distorted message. it doesn't make much sense-— much sense. let's turn to the israeli response. _ much sense. let's turn to the israeli response. two - much sense. let's turn to the l israeli response. two questions much sense. let's turn to the - israeli response. two questions but israeli response. two questions but i will take them one at a time. we have seen over the last 21i i will take them one at a time. we have seen over the last 2a or 36 hours, ordered to leave the hospitals. what does international say about targeting places like that when israel says they think they are being used in part as command and
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control centres for hamas? this being used in part as command and control centres for hamas?- being used in part as command and control centres for hamas? this is a very important _ control centres for hamas? this is a very important question, _ control centres for hamas? this is a very important question, and - control centres for hamas? this is a very important question, and the i very important question, and the reason is that, on its face, hospitals are not to be struck during wartime. it would be a war crime to actually strike the hospital intentionally on its face. why? because the hospital has noncombatants in it, patients. in this case there are a lot of civilians hiding in the hospital. that we know pretty well. if hamas has some core group within this hospital, perhaps in the basement or a deeper tunnel under the hospital, yes, that is a problem, but it would not be a problem that would be solved by massive air strikes on a hospital that would result in a far disproportionate number of civilians being killed. that would violate the principle of proportionality under international law. you would need to
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get to that hamas targeted group, under the hospital, within the hospital, with a different strategy of taking them down that would minimise and distinguish between, minimise and distinguish between, minimise the casualties to civilians and patients and also far clearer distinction between who is civilian and who is military. extremely difficult, but an air strike is not the magical instrument to get at that command post of hamas, if it exists in the hospital. you cannot do that. that is a magical vision of how to handle it thatjust do that. that is a magical vision of how to handle it that just would do that. that is a magical vision of how to handle it thatjust would not work under international law. ihi, work under international law. a final question then, and you would have heard the arguments rehearsed over the last weeks around collective punishment, around the blockade, around that order for people to move. where do all of those that sit within international law? �* ., ,
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those that sit within international law? ., y i, those that sit within international law? . y . n, law? again, very important, because it is certainly — law? again, very important, because it is certainly legal— law? again, very important, because it is certainly legal for, _ law? again, very important, because it is certainly legal for, in _ law? again, very important, because it is certainly legal for, in a _ it is certainly legal for, in a legitimate combat situation, which the israeli army is in, by crossing and engaging with hamas, which is the enemy here, in self defence. it is legitimate to tell the civilian population, orto is legitimate to tell the civilian population, or to ask them, to evacuate temporarily, so that they ensure their own safety and are not caught up in the combat scenario that will undoubtedly take place in gaza city. the problem is if that evacuation request is then turned into a permanent evacuation of that population. that population ultimately needs to have the right to come back into the neighbourhoods and reconstruct their lives and not have this be a permanent request by the israeli army of evacuation. as we know the palestinians are very
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concerned about this. but i think it is paramount to emphasise that the reason for the evacuation order is safety. it also safety in order to get to humanitarian lines of food and water and even electricity, and thatis and water and even electricity, and that is the other equation that israel has to be very careful to be moving on and working on and cooperating on, particularly at the rafah gate, so that humanitarian aid gets to those who have evacuated. david, have to leave it there but thanks so much for those reflections and talking to us here on our programme. around the world and across the world, you are watching bbc news. it isn't ping—pong, tennis, or badminton? so what exactly is pickleball? it badminton? so what exactly is pickleball?— badminton? so what exactly is pickleball? , ., i, ., pickleball? it is a great game, it is eas to pickleball? it is a great game, it is easy to learn _ pickleball? it is a great game, it is easy to learn and _ pickleball? it is a great game, it is easy to learn and fun - pickleball? it is a great game, it is easy to learn and fun to - pickleball? it is a great game, it is easy to learn and fun to play. |
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the russian government has blamed external forces for the storming of an airport in dagestan by crowds who shouted anti—semitic slogans and waved palestinian flags. without providing any evidence, the foreign ministry in moscow accused ukraine of playing a key role. after rampaging through the terminal building at machachkala, hundreds charged onto the runway. they were searching for passengers arriving from israel. live now tojerusalem where we can speak to amichai chikli, israeli minister for diaspora affairs and combating antisemitism. thank you so much for taking time to speak to us on the programme. your reaction to those scenes that we saw from that airport.— from that airport. extremely disturbing- _ from that airport. extremely disturbing. i— from that airport. extremely disturbing. i think _ from that airport. extremely disturbing. i think this - from that airport. extremely disturbing. i think this is - disturbing. i think this is extremely bad, what we have seen as a result of incitement, a result of the atrocities of hamas that inspired radicaljihadists and islamists all across the globe to go and attack and assaultjews, where
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ever they are. also disturbing pictures are coming from the us. we have seenjewish pictures are coming from the us. we have seen jewish students pictures are coming from the us. we have seenjewish students locked in the library with a mob on the doors outside, trying to attack them, to assault them. we have seen in ucla demonstrations with pro—palestinian students that are singing, we want jewish genocide. that is what they are singing. it is extremely disturbing. we cannot accept these pictures and i am expecting the government all across the west, and in other countries... it government all across the west, and in other countries. . ._ in other countries... it has horrifying _ in other countries... it has horrifying echoes, - in other countries... it has| horrifying echoes, certainly in other countries... it has i horrifying echoes, certainly in russia, historically. in terms of what your fears are now four israelis abroad, give me your assessment. it israelis abroad, give me your assessment-— israelis abroad, give me your assessment. , ., ., , ., assessment. it is more than israel, it is war against _
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assessment. it is more than israel, it is war against the _ assessment. it is more than israel, it is war against the jews _ assessment. it is more than israel, it is war against the jews it - assessment. it is more than israel, it is war against the jews it is i assessment. it is more than israel, it is war against the jews it is war i it is war against thejews it is war against israelis, and we have seen the numbers. we have seen an increase of 500% in anti—semitic incidents. we have seen a major increase, 1580% in terms of calls to attack and assaultjews. i think that this is extremely disturbing and we are operating with the governments to try and minimise these events. for instance, with the french government they have made it clear that demonstration of pro—hamas are illegal and you can get arrested for five years for demonstrating in favour of hamas atrocities, and we have seen also in the streets of london, which i think is also a red light... irate
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the streets of london, which i think is also a red light...— is also a red light... we have had that cobra _ is also a red light... we have had that cobra meeting _ is also a red light... we have had that cobra meeting with - is also a red light... we have had that cobra meeting with the i is also a red light... we have had| that cobra meeting with the prime minister. i only have 45 seconds left but the deputy mayor of jerusalem warned that europe is the next step in anti—semitic attacks. presumably you have the same fear? absolutely. i think it is a fact that you can see people are singing, what other words, you can see the violence that they use when they see a pro—israeli gathering to commemorate the victims of october the 7th. i think it is time for europe to wake up and to understand that we are together. we are here. minister, we are out of time. irate minister, we are out of time. we share the minister, we are out of time. - share the same values and we fight together. they are our values, human dignity. irate together. they are our values, human diini . ~ ., ., together. they are our values, human diini .~ ., ., ., ., ~ dignity. we are out of time. thank ou for dignity. we are out of time. thank you forjoining us _ dignity. we are out of time. thank you forjoining us here _ dignity. we are out of time. thank you forjoining us here on - dignity. we are out of time. thank you forjoining us here on bbc- dignity. we are out of time. thank. you forjoining us here on bbc news.
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hello. the weather shows little sign of calming down over the next few days. in fact, quite the reverse. a named storm, storm ciaran, named by the met office, likely to affect the uk through wednesday night into thursday. the risk of damaging winds, particularly in the south, but also widespread, unwanted heavy rain. but in the shorter term, a met office amber warning has been issued for southeastern parts of northern ireland. rain overnight and into the first part of tomorrow could well cause further flooding and disruption. rain actually across those eastern and southeastern parts of northern ireland through the rest of today. some patches of rain across parts of northern england. quite a few showers across wales, the south west, some heavier rain into south east england. a lot of scotland will be dry, just the odd shower up towards the north. and then as we head through this evening and tonight, well, that rain really sets in across southern parts of northern ireland with that risk of flooding. some outbreaks of showery rain elsewhere. largely clear skies, though, across scotland, and in the highlands some spots will drop to freezing or a touch below.
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contrast that with nine or ten degrees in the south west of england and the channel islands. for tomorrow, one band of cloud and showery rain across northern ireland, parts of northern england, into east anglia. to the south of that, a slice of sunshine, just one or two showers and then a band of heavy rain works back into the south west of england later in the day. all the while, scotland largely dry, temperatures of 8 to 15 degrees. through tuesday night into wednesday this frontal system will push its way northwards and eastwards. this one is going to bring some heavy rain, perhaps some snow for a time, over high ground in northern scotland, but only briefly. it will turn windy around some western coasts and also in the north of scotland. temperatures north to south, generally between eight and 14 degrees. and then, as we move through wednesday night into thursday, it's this deep area of low pressure that brings cause for concern. this is storm ciaran. still some uncertainty about the exact track of this low, but many areas are going to see heavy rain bringing the renewed
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threat of flooding, and it is going to be windy. at this stage it looks like the strongest winds will be in south wales and southern england. inland spots could see gusts of 50 to maybe 60 miles per hour. but some southern coast of england and more especially the channel islands, could see wind gusts of 80 to possibly 90 miles per hour.
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live from jerusalem, i'm lyse doucet. this is bbc news. and i'm matthew
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amroliwala in london. our main headline — hamas releases a video appearing to show three israeli hostages. israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu condemns the video as "cruel psychological propaganda". the israeli army says it hit 600 hamas targets in the gaza strip in 24 hours — as it expands its offensive. the un says hundreds of patients are stuck in hospitals in the north of gaza. doctors say, it's impossible to evacuate them. about 60 people are arrested in a russian republic, after a large mob, shouting anti—semitic slogans, storms an airport looking for people from tel aviv.

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