tv The Context BBC News October 31, 2023 9:00pm-9:31pm GMT
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people go. it seems as though the israeli military net around the heavily populated built up area of gaza city is beginning to tighten. the priority is to get aid into gaza. palestinians do not want to leave gaza. they want aid to come into gaza, and that should be the priority. gaza has become a graveyard for children. it is a living hell for everyone else. the bbc has geolocated the precise spot of that explosion in the jabalia refugee camp in gaza, in which hamas says dozens of palestinians were killed.
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we will get reaction tonight to that and to the calls for a ceasefire. now is not the time, says labour leader sir keir starmer, who — in spite of the loud protests within his party — is backing israel's response. not an easy time though for america'sjewish community, with antisemistism on the rise at colleges and universities. with us tonight to discuss the fallout from the war. the former adviser to president obama's state department, joel rubin and the deputy comment editor at the telegraph, annabelle denham. maybe get her thoughts as well, on dominic cummings evidence to the covid inquiry today — it was "pretty insane" he said that the then—pm and other officials took february half—term off in 2020 as the virus went rampant. good evening. jabalia is the largest of the gaza strip�*s eight refugee camps, and the most densely populated. before the war, there were 116,000 people living in just 1.5 square kilometeres.
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it's no longer populated with tents, it is full of high tenament blocks occupied by people who were driven from their homes after the creation of the state of israel in 19118. earlier this month the order was given to evacuate, but it is estimated there are still some 300,000 people living in the northern sector. and they are trapped between the incoming israeli army and the hamas fighters who are dug in around the tight warren of streets. and tonight we have reports that dozens of people may have been killed in an enormous blast, that has left this gigantic crater. the french news agency afp has been at the scene. the agency says footage shows at least 47 bodies recovered from the rubble. a spokesman for the israeli army has confirmed they were behind the attack and were targeting a senior hamas commander. translation: you're talking about us facing an enemy. i this is the enemy. a murderous terrorist organisation that is an enemy.
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they are using their own citizens as human shields. we neutralised and shot and tried in every possible way to let them, let their people go, and to move to the south. until now, the short video clips of their operations in gaza have mostly shown tanks and troops operating along the northern periphery of gaza, mainly in farmlands and on the edges of the urban areas. but clearly this shows they are going deeper with tanks spotted on the main arterial road southeast of gaza city. there are only two main roads connecting north and south. one of them runs along the exposed coast, the other is the salah al—din road which is where this tank opened fire on a car that appeared to be heading south along that route. (in 0ur diplomatic correspondent paul adams gave us the latest from jerusalem. ()
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the israelis put out a report saying they killed this hamas leader and they killed this hamas leader and they killed this hamas leader and they killed some of his men. the underground facilities, the command and control of hamas�* network that they were targeting, and in the course of their strike some buildings had collapsed. you know, this begs the question, does the target merit the apparently very considerable civilian death toll? now the israelis will argue that they have been warning people for days and days and days to move south, to get out of harms way. but they know perfectly well that large numbers of people have decided not to obey that instruction, have decided for one reason or another, that they are going to stay at home and stick it out. maybe because
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they've heard, asjeremy mentioned in his report, that the conditions in his report, that the conditions in the south were no better, so they decided to wait. i was in touch with the family injoe —— 10 one, i subsequently lost touch with them, i don't know what is happened with them at all. but tonight, judging by what we are saying, israel has killed a large number of civilians in pursuit of its war aims, and that is going to be a challenge that israel's friends around the world, including the united states and britain, will have to ponder. before the war, britain, will have to ponder. before the war. there _ britain, will have to ponder. before the war, there were _ britain, will have to ponder. before the war, there were what, - britain, will have to ponder. before the war, there were what, 110,000 j the war, there were what, 110,000 people crammed into a space about 1.5 km in size. if you drop ordinance of this size in an area like that, given that many people will not have left, you should expect this number of casualties,
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shouldn't they?— shouldn't they? look, as this war noes on, shouldn't they? look, as this war goes on. and _ shouldn't they? look, as this war goes on, and particularly - shouldn't they? look, as this war goes on, and particularly as - shouldn't they? look, as this war goes on, and particularly as it - goes on, and particularly as it starts to focus on heavily built up areas likejob allea and —— jabalia, israelis know that they will encounter large numbers of citizens who have not obeyed their instructions. what do they do? do they try to work around them, or do they try to work around them, or do they regard them as an inevitable consequence of the pursuit of their aims? you know, the sense of steely determination that israel, the israeli government, the israeli military, has two payback, to punish hamas for what it did to israel, and to thejewish people on the 7th of october, is incredibly powerful. it is driving them to do things which even i think some of israel's friends will regard as potentially
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mistaken, and possibly against the law. and it can only become more acute the longer this goes on. annabelle, pick up what paul was saying there, that steely determination to go after the commanders within hamas. does it, as paul says, commanders within hamas. does it, as paulsays, merit commanders within hamas. does it, as paul says, merit the apparent considerable deaths that we've seen in this blast? i considerable deaths that we've seen in this blast?— in this blast? i think certainly it's going _ in this blast? i think certainly it's going to _ in this blast? i think certainly it's going to become - in this blast? i think certainly it's going to become harder l in this blast? i think certainly i it's going to become harder and harder to defend as this conflict escalates, and the resolve of politicians across the west, not least in the uk, are going to perhaps find that their position does slightly weaken. look, it's an incredibly difficult situation, nobody knows where the line is, which is why there have been so many internal squabbles within the labour and the conservative party, about what the official line, official response will be to the incursions
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that we are now seeing ought to be. but ultimately since the 7th of october, we've known that there 0ctober, we've known that there would be a massive urban warfare operation that is likely to be linked to be fraught with danger for the israeli did military, for the palestinian civilians, and where the end point actually is not entirely clear. what is it that israel is trying to achieve? and that is the total elimination of hamas, but at what cost? there's so many questions and i think it's extremely difficult for us here in the west to come up with any answers beyond condemning those atrocities that were committed at the start of october, and providing reassuring support for israel, while at the same time calling for humanitarian, a pause for humanitarian aid to get into the country while holding back from demanding a cease—fire, not least because that would undermine
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israel's efforts, or its right, to self—defense. but also because it is quite frankly an unrealistic proposition. jae quite frankly an unrealistic preposition-— quite frankly an unrealistic proposition. quite frankly an unrealistic --roosition. , ., , , quite frankly an unrealistic ro osition. , ., , , proposition. joe ruben, we 'ust saw that the secretary * proposition. joe ruben, we 'ust saw that the secretary of h proposition. joe ruben, we 'ust saw that the secretary of state _ proposition. joe ruben, we just saw that the secretary of state is - proposition. joe ruben, we just saw that the secretary of state is going l that the secretary of state is going to have meetings on friday day with president netanyahu, what do you think his talking points will be in that meeting, and do you think it might be framed by what we see today? might be framed by what we see toda ? ~ , ., ~ today? while, christian, i think the oints are today? while, christian, i think the points are going — today? while, christian, i think the points are going to _ today? while, christian, i think the points are going to be _ today? while, christian, i think the points are going to be very - today? while, christian, i think the points are going to be very similarl points are going to be very similar to what— points are going to be very similar to what we've seen in recent weeks from _ to what we've seen in recent weeks from the _ to what we've seen in recent weeks from the secretary of state, is to take care — from the secretary of state, is to take care of not harming innocent palestinian — take care of not harming innocent palestinian civilians, but the biden administration is clear, it is supporting israel right now in this effort, _ supporting israel right now in this effort, and — supporting israel right now in this effort, and is going to try to move aid through— effort, and is going to try to move aid through congress. we saw a supplemental package get ensnared in american _ supplemental package get ensnared in american domestic politics i'm afraid, — american domestic politics i'm afraid, but that aid package of $14 billion_ afraid, but that aid package of $14 billion is_ afraid, but that aid package of $14 billion is what president biden wants— billion is what president biden wants to — billion is what president biden wants to deliver, and secretary
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biinken. — wants to deliver, and secretary blinken, the goals are to support israei. _ blinken, the goals are to support israel, support palestinians, prevent— israel, support palestinians, prevent a _ israel, support palestinians, prevent a escalation, prevent a ran fromm _ prevent a escalation, prevent a ran from... reassure ourarab prevent a escalation, prevent a ran from... reassure our arab allies that— from... reassure our arab allies that we — from... reassure our arab allies that we are _ from... reassure our arab allies that we are on top of all of these issues _ that we are on top of all of these issues to— that we are on top of all of these issues to keep them stable. but it's a heavy— issues to keep them stable. but it's a heavy heavy task but it's something that the secretary has been _ something that the secretary has been doing and he'll probably continued to push in those directions.— the top two members of president biden's cabinet, the secretary of state antony blinken and his defence secretary lloyd austin were on the hill this afternoon calling on senators to back the president's foreign aid package that tops $105 billion. included in that is aid for both israel and ukraine, money for the us southern border and support for taiwan. but at one point during that session, the committee was interrupted by peace protesters. we are standing up for our interests
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and values and not shrinking back. not in the face of russia's aggression against ukraine, not in face of an intensifying strategic competition in the indo—pacific and around the world. protester: ..66% of the world... speech unclear. if the witness will. suspend, i ask that everyone, again, - respect this hearing. we will suspend until the room is clear. - ..diplomacy or development must work hand in hand. protester: ..i say no war... speech unclear. the committee will suspend, - and i appreciate that people feel passionately about these issues, | i would ask that you respect our| witnesses and our committee members i and allow the american people to i hear their testimony. we will pause until. the room is cleared. there is broad bipartisan support for the package. the trouble for the white house is that new house speaker mikejohnson, favours splitting it all up. he wants ukraine funding separated from support for israel. and in return for that israel funding he wants the $14 billion to be stripped out of the budget for the tax office, the irs, which cracks down on tax cheats.
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it's a non—starterfor the democrat majority in the senate, so will go nowhere. but it could threaten to delay both israel and ukraine funding at a critical moment. one of the republican senators who supports separating the spending is utah senator mike lee who spoke to us earlier. peace is always the objective. nonetheless, i believe it's also important to let israel fight israel's war. israel was barbarically attacked by savages on october seventh, and israel needs to have some leeway to fight the war and to win that war in the manner that it deems most effective. there's been a lot of talk about whether iran was or was not involved. what should it mean, do you think, for america's policy towards iran and its approach to saudi arabia and its gulf allies? well, first of all, i think the notion that iran was not involved in these attacks is utterly absurd. we know that iran was involved.
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we know that iran has been funding hamas for many, many years. and we know that they have been supplying them, including very recently, with the means by which an attack like this would be carried out. the idea that they've been supplying them with all this training and weapons, but they wouldn't have been involved in the preparation for this attack is just utterly illogical, as i see it. you'll be aware the debate back home today is very much about the funding funding for israel, funding for ukraine and also for the southern border. can i start by asking you, do you support in principle funding for ukraine? look, the united states of america has spent $113 billion on the war effort in ukraine. it's an enormous sum of money, that's either two or three multiples of what russia spends on defense in an entire year. americans understandably are becoming a little weary of this.
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in fact, just over the last few months, the number of americans supporting giving more aid, more weapons and so forth to ukraine has gone from about 65% injune, down to only about 39% today, just in a few months' time. and in fact, this was showcased in this week's cover story article in time magazine, talking about the fact that the american people have grown less enthusiastic about this at the exact same time that we've learned of more and more allegations of widespread corruption within the ukrainian government, including corruption involving aid from the united states. so we've done our part.
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we need a plan that doesn't involve just printing or borrowing more money. just printing or borrowing more mone . , , . just printing or borrowing more mone , , , ., , ., just printing or borrowing more mone. , 2 just printing or borrowing more mone. , money. this is a plan, it's a legitimate _ money. this is a plan, it's a legitimate plan _ money. this is a plan, it's a legitimate plan and - money. this is a plan, it's a legitimate plan and there . money. this is a plan, it's a legitimate plan and there is money. this is a plan, it's a - legitimate plan and there is nothing engraved in stone that says we need the entirety of the $87 billion that democrats, without a single republican vote in either house, ran through congress just over a year ago in order to pass, nothing written in stone about that figure. nothing that says the irs can't do its job without all $87 billion of that going in this direction. if we take out 14 billion or so to fund aid to israel is not going to be the end of the world. now to your point, democrats don't like that, then
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democrats don't like that, then democrats can, should, and i believe must, come up with their own plan for it. they don't like this one, let them propose something and we'll consider that. bill let them propose something and we'll consider that-— consider that. all right, so, i'm sliuhtl consider that. all right, so, i'm slightly confused _ consider that. all right, so, i'm slightly confused though. - consider that. all right, so, i'm i slightly confused though. because obviously if it's rejected, and you talked about the urgency of getting aid to israel, it's a must and it must go now. if there's a congressional fallout about how this is funded, and let's face it, within the house, the fundamentals haven't changed. it's still there, it would even be a moderate within the caucus that brings down mikejohnson. how does that benefit the republican party? it does that benefit the republican pa ? , , , , party? it benefits the republican party? it benefits the republican pa to party? it benefits the republican party to have — party? it benefits the republican party to have some _ party? it benefits the republican party to have some consensus i party? it benefits the republican - party to have some consensus around the idea that we've got to start get our fiscal house in order, the idea that we've got to start get ourfiscal house in order, we the idea that we've got to start get our fiscal house in order, we can't just print or borrow more money every time we see another need arise. so, again, if this one doesn't work, i think this is a very legitimate debate. i would like to have an earnest debate with my
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democratic colleagues at the white house and be on about this. i think is legitimate, if they don't like it, i would like to hear their reasons why and debate them. senator mike lee speaking _ reasons why and debate them. senator mike lee speaking to _ reasons why and debate them. senator mike lee speaking to us _ reasons why and debate them. senator mike lee speaking to us earlier. - it is certainly within the republican caucus that that debate will take place, but he is right and one thing. when it comes to your current funding, and that is that the white house is not made a big enough case to the american people as to why ukraine funding is so important. as to why ukraine funding is so important-— important. oh, no, christian i disauree important. oh, no, christian i disagree with _ important. oh, no, christian i disagree with that. _ important. oh, no, christian ij disagree with that. americans overwhelmingly support this. americans overwhelmingly support aid to ukraine _ americans overwhelmingly support aid to ukraine. maybe the white house hasn't _ to ukraine. maybe the white house hasn't made a big enough case to donald _ hasn't made a big enough case to donald trump and his russian puppet masters— donald trump and his russian puppet masters perhaps, that seems to be the whole _ masters perhaps, that seems to be the whole rag on the funding in the house _ the whole rag on the funding in the house. because mitch mcconnell and the senate colleagues on the republican side they all support additional aid to ukraine, so this
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is a house — additional aid to ukraine, so this is a house republican problem. the maga _ is a house republican problem. the maga base — is a house republican problem. the maga base of the house, this is the hilt they— maga base of the house, this is the hill they will die on to support ukraines— hill they will die on to support ukraine's ability to be a sovereign state _ ukraine's ability to be a sovereign state. somehow excusing the extortion of israel's pain. parochial political objective of the republican party that will not become _ republican party that will not become law. they shouldn't be playing — become law. they shouldn't be playing politics with israel he lives — playing politics with israel he lives right now and that's what republicans are doing an as. move the package forward, go to regular order— the package forward, go to regular order to _ the package forward, go to regular order to try— the package forward, go to regular order to try and rescind the funds that you — order to try and rescind the funds that you don't like, get it through the process democrats didn't withhold aid to hurricane katrina victims _ withhold aid to hurricane katrina victims for— withhold aid to hurricane katrina victims for example in louisiana, mike _ victims for example in louisiana, mike johnson's home state in order to enact— mike johnson's home state in order to enact an — mike johnson's home state in order to enact an assault rifle weapons ban _ to enact an assault rifle weapons ban there — to enact an assault rifle weapons ban. there are times to do things and times— ban. there are times to do things and times not to come of this is not the time _ and times not to come of this is not the time and — and times not to come of this is not
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the time and republicans are basically feeling and mike johnson is failing _ basically feeling and mike johnson is failing as speaker in his first couple — is failing as speaker in his first couple of— is failing as speaker in his first couple of days in uniting the countrv _ couple of days in uniting the count . �* . , couple of days in uniting the count . . ., , .., ., couple of days in uniting the count . . ., , ., ., country. annabelle, come in on that. the polling. — country. annabelle, come in on that. the polling. how _ country. annabelle, come in on that. the polling, how does _ country. annabelle, come in on that. the polling, how does that _ country. annabelle, come in on that. the polling, how does that way - country. annabelle, come in on that. the polling, how does that way in - the polling, how does that way in for support of ukraine, republicans are reacting to that they have their own or tear your motives for it may be, but they are reacting to it. yes, i think that's right. i would first like to say i am a little appalled that political acting and tomfoolery might get in the way of age ukraine. very different conflicts even though they both dependin conflicts even though they both depend in a big way on the support of the us. we have known that republican resolved when it comes to support for ukraine has been wavering some time, there is an expectation within ukraine that if donald trump is elected president again in 2024, that there would be a massive decrease in us support for
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their war, they are pushing back against this russian illegal russian invasion. but i think that us attitudes, particularly when it comes to conservatives, indeed atlantic conservatives, towards israel, it is very different to that with ukraine. there has been a long—standing affinity there and a sense that in the us, conservatives very much see israel as an ally in a sea of arab states, a beacon of stability amid a ring of fire of these arab countries which they neighbour. and for that reason i think that support will endure in the us forfar longer, for the conflict between israel and hamas thenit conflict between israel and hamas then it will ukraine and russia. maybe with implications for your caring funding, we will see. while there is a stalemate on the funding — in the past couple
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of hours there has been a breakthrough in the senate. which has voted to confirm jack lew as ambassador to israel. he is a former treasury secretary and former white house chief of staff. the post has been vacant sincejuly. egypt, kuwait, the uae, and love it been without ambassadors, but we at least have jack lew in israel. jack lew, least have jack lew in israel. jack lew. now — least have jack lew in israel. jack lew, now ambassador lew, has a story as a leader— lew, now ambassador lew, has a story as a leader in _ lew, now ambassador lew, has a story as a leader in the american government. he isjewish, he is a strong _ government. he isjewish, he is a strong defender of israel, and he is widely— strong defender of israel, and he is widely respected across the aisle. but it's_ widely respected across the aisle. but it's remarkable to me that republicans were actually trying to block _ republicans were actually trying to block us _ republicans were actually trying to block us from moving forward, and it barely— block us from moving forward, and it barely got— block us from moving forward, and it barely got through the senate relations committee, one republican supported _ relations committee, one republican supported it, that was rand paul.
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they— supported it, that was rand paul. they were — supported it, that was rand paul. they were unhappy that he supported the nuciear— they were unhappy that he supported the nuclear deal that the president for whom — the nuclear deal that the president for whom he worked and i worked, supported — for whom he worked and i worked, supported the deal preventing iran from getting a nuclear weapon. we are saving — from getting a nuclear weapon. we are saying holds on critical leaders in our— are saying holds on critical leaders in our national security apparatus that is— in our national security apparatus that is undermining american nationai— that is undermining american national security right now, and that's— national security right now, and that's coming from senate republicans. the military leaders to boot, from — republicans. the military leaders to boot, from senator tober willjust boot, from senator tober will just knee _ boot, from senator tober willjust knee capping us when we need our military— knee capping us when we need our military tom — knee capping us when we need our military to... it�*s knee capping us when we need our military to- - -_ military to... it's a really fair criticism. — military to... it's a really fair criticism, and _ military to... it's a really fair criticism, and of _ military to... it's a really fair criticism, and of all, - military to... it's a really fair criticism, and of all, if - military to... it's a really fair criticism, and of all, if the i criticism, and of all, if the americans aren't mad, the chinese will fill the void and are filling the void in the gulf and arab state. it when you look at that list of countries that doesn't have a us ambassador, it's countries that doesn't have a us ambassador, its extraordinary how the united states has withdrawn. yes, it is, and i think that's right, but it's also quite extraordinary in some ways how quickly it's been pulled up back in this region. this is a region that when president biden when he assumed
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power was very eager to extract the us from, just goes to show how significant it is for global stability. as you say, if there is a vacuum in the region, will undoubtedly be filled by an excess of iran, of china, and of russia. i just want to bring up a point from the war in ukraine from our previous discussion, there was an argument of course that the finer position of the us is pretty dire and it needs to cut spending in anyways it can, actually, the cost to the us of defeating putin via proxy war in ukraine is far lower than it would be to enter into any larger conflict. if you have putin as a aggressor in that region, potentially bringing russia ever closer to china, then the cost of addressing that through the war in ukraine, pushing out russian forces there, is actually very low.—
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there, is actually very low. yeah, that's a point _ there, is actually very low. yeah, that's a point that _ there, is actually very low. yeah, that's a point that mark - there, is actually very low. yeah, that's a point that mark makes, l that's a point that mark makes, yeah. it that's a point that mark makes, eah. . , that's a point that mark makes, eah. ., , ., �* , that's a point that mark makes, eah. , ., yeah. if i may, that's exactly what mitch mcconnell _ yeah. if i may, that's exactly what mitch mcconnell is _ yeah. if i may, that's exactly what mitch mcconnell is saying, - yeah. if i may, that's exactly what mitch mcconnell is saying, it's - yeah. if i may, that's exactly whatj mitch mcconnell is saying, it's the -- listen, — mitch mcconnell is saying, it's the -- listen, i— mitch mcconnell is saying, it's the —— listen, iwant mitch mcconnell is saying, it's the —— listen, i want to talk about the impact _ —— listen, i want to talk about the impact that— —— listen, i want to talk about the impact that is having domestically. this war— impact that is having domestically. this war in — impact that is having domestically. this war in the middle east. the fbi have just been alerted after death threats made tojewish students. the fbi has been alerted after death threats were made againstjewish students at one of the united states most prestigious universities. the anti—semitic posts calling for violence againstjewish students at cornell university in, new york, were published on a forum for members of the institution's fraternities over the weekend. cornell has morejewish students than any other ivy league university — around 2,500. 0ne post read: "if you see a jewish "person" on campus follow them home and slit their throats." here's the senate majority leader, chuck schumer who himself is from new york.
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i'm sickened and frightened by the news that has come out of cornell university, where over the weekend messages appeared on a non—campus online forum calling for violence, violence against the school's jewish community. the posts made specific references to a building on campus housing at the centre forjewish living and call for violence toward jewish students. cornell has decried on this appalling act and has alerted the fbi. the incident targeting cornell'sjewish community is utterly revolting, but unfortunately it was not an isolated occurrence. the poison of anti—semitism has found new life. there has been a dramatic rise in attacks in recent days, right across the country. we haven't spoken about this since the war began, what's it been like for you? it’s the war began, what's it been like for ou? �* , , the war began, what's it been like for ou? �*, , ., , for you? it's been heartbreaking. the tree of _ for you? it's been heartbreaking. the tree of life _ for you? it's been heartbreaking. the tree of life synagogue - for you? it's been heartbreaking. the tree of life synagogue in -
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the tree of life synagogue in pittsburgh is the synagogue i spent unending _ pittsburgh is the synagogue i spent unending time at as a kid. they were part of— unending time at as a kid. they were part of services before the mass murder— part of services before the mass murder there. that was five years ago. _ murder there. that was five years ago. and — murder there. that was five years ago, and horribly, that seems like a quaint _ ago, and horribly, that seems like a quaint anti—semitic attack compared to what— quaint anti—semitic attack compared to what we _ quaint anti—semitic attack compared to what we are experiencing now. the single _ to what we are experiencing now. the single largest massacre ofjuice since the — single largest massacre ofjuice since the holocaust. —— ofjews. regular— since the holocaust. —— ofjews. regular students, online, from the river to _ regular students, online, from the river to the — regular students, online, from the river to the sea, the use of the zionist— river to the sea, the use of the zionist as _ river to the sea, the use of the zionist as an attack language. why do ou zionist as an attack language. why do you think _ zionist as an attack language. twig do you think chancellors and presidents of the universities can't call it out, john?— call it out, john? because they are cowards. call it out, john? because they are cowards- they _ call it out, john? because they are cowards. they would _ call it out, john? because they are cowards. they would never - call it out, john? because they are | cowards. they would never tolerate this type _ cowards. they would never tolerate this type of — cowards. they would never tolerate this type of speech, this type of hate _ this type of speech, this type of hate speech against any other ethnic minority. _ hate speech against any other ethnic minority, any other protected group. and the _ minority, any other protected group. and the jewish community, we have fought— and the jewish community, we have fought for— and the jewish community, we have fought for civil liberties and civil
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rights _ fought for civil liberties and civil rights in — fought for civil liberties and civil rights in this country for decades. ithink— rights in this country for decades. i think what's happening in the jewish— i think what's happening in the jewish world right now in the united states— jewish world right now in the united states is— jewish world right now in the united states is also a deep sense of despair~ — states is also a deep sense of despair. those who we thought as allies— despair. those who we thought as allies for— despair. those who we thought as allies for rights, are abandoning us i’ilht allies for rights, are abandoning us right now— allies for rights, are abandoning us right now when we are under assault. and these _ right now when we are under assault. and these universities, they, by every day— and these universities, they, by every day being quiet, and bold and those _ every day being quiet, and bold and those who— every day being quiet, and bold and those who want to commit terrorist acts against students —— jewish students — acts against students —— jewish students as we've heard at cordell. there _ students as we've heard at cordell. there has— students as we've heard at cordell. there has to be an active response to protect — there has to be an active response to protect students from lynch mobs. unfortunately, it's moving way too slowly _ unfortunately, it's moving way too slowl . �* . . ~ unfortunately, it's moving way too slowl. �*, ., ,, ., slowly. let's talk about it here, annabelle- _ slowly. let's talk about it here, annabelle. the _ slowly. let's talk about it here, annabelle. the current - slowly. let's talk about it here, annabelle. the current conflict| slowly. let's talk about it here, i annabelle. the current conflict in the middle east has created plenty of conflict.
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the current conflict in the middle east has created plenty of conflict within labour ranks. but the labour leader sir keir starmer is sticking to his position, defying more than a dozen of his frontbenchers who want him to call for a ceasefire. in a speech at chatham house in central london, he acknowledged "the rising temperature on british streets" — in fact he needed only to look outside where protesters were waving palestinian flags — but sir keir said a permanent ceasefire in gaza was not currently the solution to the conflict. you a cease—fire always freezes any conflict in the state where it currently lives. and as we speak, that would leave hamas with the infrastructure and the capability to carry out the sort of attack we saw on october the 7th. attacks that are still ongoing. hostages who should be released still held. hamas would be emboldened, and start preparing for future violence immediately. but the scottish labour leader anas sarwar said sir keir had "hurt" muslim communities by suggesting israel had a right to withhold water and energy from the people of gaza. a comment he said that did not represent his "position" on the crisis.
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we are also desperate for peace, and desperate for the end of violence. access to humanitarian supplies', electricity, food supplies, into gaza. an immediate cessation of violence and the end to rocket fire into and out of gaza. that means a cease—fire right now. there is huge anger on the hard left that sir keir has suspended andy mcdonald, the mp for middlesbrough, after he made reference to a chant that is perceived by many to be anti—semitic while attending a pro—palestinian rally. for too long, palestinians have been deprived of their basic human rights, their dignity and theirfreedom. we will not rest until we have justice. cheering.
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until all people, israelis and palestinians, between the river and the sea, can live in peaceful liberty. free, free palestine! he did qualify it in the sense that he said he wanted israel and palestinians to be living in that region peacefully together, which is not how others have used that term between the river and the sea, but you havejust between the river and the sea, but you have just heard between the river and the sea, but you havejust heard how between the river and the sea, but you have just heard how offensive it is to thejewish community and how it affects them, so was sir keir right to suspend andy mcdonald? yes. right to suspend andy mcdonald? yes, he was right- — right to suspend andy mcdonald? yes, he was right- it — right to suspend andy mcdonald? yes, he was right. it was _ right to suspend andy mcdonald? yes he was right. it was quite an extraordinary choice of words from andy mcdonald. a phrase that most people would regard as deeply offensive to jewish people would regard as deeply offensive tojewish people who, let's not forget, in britain today are fearing for their safety. there are fearing for their safety. there are protests taking place where some of the participants are chanting
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