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cynically, monstrously, embeds hamas cynically, monstrously, embeds itself in_ hamas cynically, monstrously, embeds itself in the _ hamas cynically, monstrously, embeds itself in the midst of civilians. its fighters, its commanders, its weapons, — its fighters, its commanders, its weapons, its ammunitions, its command_ weapons, its ammunitions, its command and control, in residential buildings, _ command and control, in residential buildings, under schools and in schools — buildings, under schools and in schools. under hospitals and in hospitals — schools. under hospitals and in hospitals. under masks and in mosques _ hospitals. under masks and in mosques. it is monstrous. but nonetheless, israel has an obligation to abide by the laws of war, humanitarian law, and to do everything — war, humanitarian law, and to do everything possible to prevent civilian — everything possible to prevent civilian casualties. this is very much — civilian casualties. this is very much part— civilian casualties. this is very much part of what we are saying to the israeti — much part of what we are saying to the israeli government, and what i said again — the israeli government, and what i said again yesterday. at the same time providing humanitarian assistance to those in need, making sure that _ assistance to those in need, making sure that men, women and children in gaza are _ sure that men, women and children in gaza are cared for. this is also an intense _ gaza are cared for. this is also an intense focus of our actions, including _ intense focus of our actions, including the israeli government.
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thank you. before i close i want to reaffirm once again the need to work together and bridge whatever gaps we have in our position because ultimately we want the same thing. but again ijust ultimately we want the same thing. but again i just want to say one thing. imagine you are a palestinian father, mother, you have to leave your home and you already miserable existence in a refugee camp in gaza, you head south, take shelter in hospital and you are looking at the eyes of your children and did you know you can't protect them. you know you can't protect them. you know that you cannot find a place where they can escape the bombing. how do you explain to these, to a father who we saw yesterday in the rubble looking for four children of his who are still buried under the rubble and he cannot find them? i think we need to remind each other of our humanity. i think we need to
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accept that killing more people will not bring those who are lost on both sides, as tragic as the loss is. i think we need to all emphasise that everything we can do to save one more life is imperative upon all of us. i don't want to go into characterisation of what the international law says about that or what the international law says about this, but i would say, as we all say, as human beings, wejust cannot accept to see all that killing unfolding, to see all that reduction of life to a complete loss. how can we justify to anybody that killing 9000 people, killing 3700 children, destroying 150,000 houses, destroying hospitals, how can we justify that this is self defence? i think let's get back to the basics, step back and again, we all understand the pain that this
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war willjust produce more pain for palestinians and israelis and will push us all into the abyss of hatred and dehumanisation that will make killing even more acceptable. that needs to stop, that is our priority, it needs to stop now, it has to end and we should all work for a future when a palestinian child sees an israeli child, they see in each other a potentialfriend not a future enemy. i think that's what we need to do and i look forward to working with all our colleagues to create our reality and once and for all end the need for war and the need for violence and end conditions in which only misery and an environment that enables the kind of extremism that produces, also on the side of israel, that will end.
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studio: that press conference there ending in amman injordan with the us secretary of state and foreign ministers ofjordan and egypt. really interesting a lot of what they had to say, clearly united on they had to say, clearly united on the need to try and minimise civilian casualties with what is going on in gaza at the moment, but also i think very clearly illustrating the divisions between them as well. you heard from the egyptian foreign minister there calling for a full and unconditional ceasefire in the war between israel and hamas in gaza. but then you head the us secretary of state reiterating their position that they back israel's right to defend itself. but there calling for something rather different, they are talking about humanitarian pauses in the fighting, as antony blinken was saying there, enough to actually try and bring in aid for a short period of time to the people who need it in gaza. but of course remember that antony blinken was here in israel
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yesterday and had those same conversations with the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu and he talked to him about humanitarian pauses and received a clear answer back that israel would not stop that military campaign at all, even for a short time, because they believe that would give hamas competitive advantage and israel has been very clear since those attacks on the 7th of october that one of their key objectives, along with releasing those hostages, is to entirely eliminate hamas and its leadership and infrastructure from inside the gaza strip. so it wasjust interesting to listen to those three men talking there, the product of many conversations the us secretary of state has been having injordan today, illustrating many of the points, in particular when you head at the end of the press conference there, when they talked about some of the images we see coming out of gaza, those images of civilian killings, particularly of children, i think you could see that the unity
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between the three. they were all agreeing that these were not the kind of images that the world wants to see, and in fact they are often, and we have shown you here sometimes on bbc news, these images that are very graphic and difficult to see, as well, as antony blinken pointed out, as were those similar images that we saw on october the 7th after those barbaric attacks by hamas on israeli civilians and women and children in the south of israel. i think antony blinken will now be considering really the conversations that he will also have in turkey tomorrow. he has added an extra stop tomorrow. he has added an extra stop to his trip. but it really shows you, i think, to his trip. but it really shows you, ithink, the to his trip. but it really shows you, i think, the depth of feeling here across the middle east, but also really the diversity of feeling as well and the fact that there is no clear answer, notjust about how to deal with the current conflict, but also you heard them reflecting their on what will happen next. the idea of how gaza will or could or should look once hamas has been
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removed from power there entirely, removed from power there entirely, removed from power there entirely, removed from gaza. the highlight is something that has been raised diplomatically by many countries as an issue going forward. nobody knows quite yet how gaza would run, what it would mean for those more than 2 million civilians who are living there in gaza, more than a million of them displaced from the north into the south of the strip. so, many different conversations that i think crystallised in that press conference that we heard there. let's turn to our diplomatic correspondent paul adams who is with me here injerusalem this evening. paul, you have a lot of notes. i know you were listening to all of that, what stood out for you? there is no getting — that, what stood out for you? there is no getting around _ that, what stood out for you? there is no getting around the _ that, what stood out for you? fire is no getting around the fundamental difference of opinion when it comes to a ceasefire. both of the arab foreign ministers, egyptian and jordanian, said the first priority is an immediate, unconditional, as the egyptian foreign minister put
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it, unconditional ceasefire, antony blinken for his part saying a ceasefire would just allow hamas to regroup and fight again. he quoted the interview that was given to lebanese television by a senior hamas officialjust lebanese television by a senior hamas official just a lebanese television by a senior hamas officialjust a few days ago in which he said we are willing to do this again and again. clearly the american share israel's view that halas must be removed entirely from the picture. i suspect that for all the picture. i suspect that for all the public words we had from the jordanian and egyptian foreign minister, they probably also share that view, that is not a view that can be expressed brutally to the arab population, who are seething, furious about what they are witnessing from gaza but there were very moving words from ayman safadi, jordanian foreign minister, but what happens after this is over, what will gaza be, he said? will itjust be a wasteland? just full of
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refugees? what kind of place will gaza be when israel has finished with it? that's the thing that is haunting the arab world, is israel just in the process of destroying this place one central? what will actually exist in gaza once hamas has been removed? for his part, antony blinken going on and on about the need to alleviate the suffering in the south. i think the americans recognise israel is going to do what israel is going to do militarily and that itsjob, israel is going to do militarily and that its job, washington's israel is going to do militarily and that itsjob, washington'sjob is to kind of get everyone together to try and mitigate the humanitarian consequences of this. he made these references that he has made, so has joe biden, to us policy still being a two—state solution. that sounds awfully hollow to almost everyone in this region, a lot of people think the moment for that solution has gone. no one has come up with anything viable by way of a replacement. 50 anything viable by way of a replacement.—
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anything viable by way of a relacement. ., , ., ~' replacement. so do you think, given what we heard _ replacement. so do you think, given what we heard there, _ replacement. so do you think, given what we heard there, anything - what we heard there, anything productive has actually come out of these talks? any movement other than discussions, other than rhetoric, other than what we have heard already? other than what we have heard alread ? �* ., , �* ~' other than what we have heard alread 7�* ., ,�* ~ , , already? antony blinken believes that they have — already? antony blinken believes that they have gone _ already? antony blinken believes that they have gone a _ already? antony blinken believes that they have gone a long - already? antony blinken believes that they have gone a long way . that they have gone a long way already to addressing that dire situation in the south. i don't know the figures myself but he said 105 trucks have gone in today where a week or ten days ago there were none. that has been the result of a lot of heavy diplomacy, and that that should increase, we should see 400, 500 trucks going on. the americans i think are desperate to try and salvage something from this dire humanitarian situation in the south. something that makes the palestinians, the arab world feel that the united states is not totally indifferent to the fate of palestinians while sharing israel's desire to see the back of hamas. whether there is any constructive conversations going on about what
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emerges from the ashes of gaza after this is over, whether there is any fresh, originalthinking this is over, whether there is any fresh, original thinking about how to revive a two—state solution, well, we haven't heard anything so far to suggest that there is. this is a government here in israel which is a government here in israel which is clearly utterly opposed to any kind of viable palestinian state in the future. it has members in it who believe that this is all the land of israel, that israelis should be able to settle wherever they want, and that a palestinian state is absolutely not on their agenda. and in fact, one of the arguments we hear a lot, even among israeli critics of the netanyahu government, is that the policy had pursued in gaza in recent years which was to allow hamas to flourish, to encourage qatar to fund it and send money in, was all about keeping the palestinian leadership, the palestinian leadership, the palestinian people divided between gaza run by hamas and the west bank run by the palestinian authority and
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anything that changes that dynamic leads you back into a discussion about palestinian statehood which is something the government here really is not interested in. pauli something the government here really is not interested in.— is not interested in. paul adams, thank you. _ is not interested in. paul adams, thank you. our— is not interested in. paul adams, thank you, our diplomatic - thank you, our diplomatic correspondent, on what we heard there from the press conference. let's continue those thoughts with tom fletcher, former uk ambassador to lebanon, whojoins us now. thank you for being with us on bbc news. let's talk more about that, because paul reflected on the difficult balance of relations that exist in the middle east and things are only getting harder now, aren't they? they are getting much, much harder. what antony blinken is trying to do is to try and rebuild trust within those arab allies and that trust has been very badly damaged. obviously over the last few weeks. and there is a long process ahead to rebuild the trust, notjust with the governments but with the arab population more widely. that's why he is travelling around the region. but alongside that you can hear the
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frustration in his voice and in their voices obviously the anger in their voices obviously the anger in their voices, that the dialling up of pressure during antony blinken's visit the last couple of days to israel hasn't actually had the result he wanted. he hasn't got the humanitarian pauses, he hasn't got as much humanitarian aid in as he was hoping and he's been told pretty clearly by neta nyahu was hoping and he's been told pretty clearly by netanyahu and the israeli military that they need to continue what they call, it's a chilling phrase, mowing the lawn, re—establishing long—term deterrence against hamas and hezbollah. one positive of the last few days that he will take from this is that the hezbollah's leader's speech yesterday and didn't dial up, didn't escalate and i think you will feel that the risk of the regional escalation has been dialled down a little bit, but that's one small positive in the midst of many negatives. positive in the midst of many negatives— positive in the midst of many neuatives. �*, . ~ ., . negatives. let's talk more about the seech of negatives. let's talk more about the speech of yesterday _ negatives. let's talk more about the speech of yesterday because - negatives. let's talk more about the speech of yesterday because in - negatives. let's talk more about the speech of yesterday because in fact| speech of yesterday because in fact the pentagon were confident enough
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yesterday to put out a statement saying that they believed they wider regional conflict, or certainly an escalation on the northern border of israel with lebanon, wasn't an issue for now. people have been waiting for now. people have been waiting for that speech with the potential that hassan nasrallah would enter dummigan aonce hezbollah's full—scale entry into this conflict. why didn't that happen? full-scale entry into this conflict. why didn't that happen? hezbollah are a cautious _ why didn't that happen? hezbollah are a cautious act _ why didn't that happen? hezbollah are a cautious act in _ why didn't that happen? hezbollah are a cautious act in this _ why didn't that happen? hezbollah are a cautious act in this respect, l are a cautious act in this respect, they know the lebanese people are very opposed to that escalation. that there is a real opposition to a conflict across the israel— lebanon border, they know there is a serious deterrent in the weapons that israel has, the willingness of israel to use them as we have been seeing in gaza can models of the us troop deployments in the region, too. and i think the iranians have also concluded now is not the time for a regional escalation and so they
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would quite clearly have signalled to hassan nasrallah that he should dial up the rhetoric but not dial up the real threats and not actually increase the risk of tension across the border. increase the risk of tension across the border-— increase the risk of tension across the border. notable i think as well done lebanon's _ the border. notable i think as well done lebanon's caretaker - the border. notable i think as well done lebanon's caretaker prime . done lebanon's caretaker prime minister had his own meeting this morning with antony blinken in amman. but of course as you know very well, lebanon and at the moment doesn't have a functioning government, it doesn't have a president. people will question whether that was any more than window dressing because there isn't a lot of influence that he has in lebanon at the moment will stop for much of the time i was there, 2011-201511 much of the time i was there, 2011-2015” and didn't much of the time i was there, 2011—201511 and didn't have a functioning government, often a caretaker government and for much of that time he was prime minister and was a very shrewd, smart player in that mix, trying to hold things together. it that mix, trying to hold things touether. , . together. it is good that the americans _ together. it is good that the americans met _ together. it is good that the americans met him. - together. it is good that the americans met him. i - together. it is good that the americans met him. i think| together. it is good that the l americans met him. i think it together. it is good that the - americans met him. i think it is important they do spend time
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rebuilding trust with a moderate arab leadership in the region. ultimately when this is all over, as we have been hearing in that press conference, we will have to rebuild some sort of alternative to hamas and hezbollah and that does mean rebuilding that trust, continuing the dialogue with leaders like najib mikati. the dialogue with leaders like na'ib mikati. ~ . . ., , the dialogue with leaders like na'ib mikati. ~ . . ., mikati. what are your thoughts about that because — mikati. what are your thoughts about that because we _ mikati. what are your thoughts about that because we heard _ mikati. what are your thoughts about that because we heard it _ mikati. what are your thoughts about that because we heard it touched - mikati. what are your thoughts about that because we heard it touched onl that because we heard it touched on in the press conference in gaza if and when this is all over. there is clearly no unity on that. what do you think and work as a potential answer? ., you think and work as a potential answer? . , . ., , answer? the real imperative now is to sto answer? the real imperative now is to step the — answer? the real imperative now is to stop the violence, _ answer? the real imperative now is to stop the violence, stop - answer? the real imperative now is to stop the violence, stop the - to stop the violence, stop the killing of innocent civilians and to get that aid in. i'm sure that is consuming most of the diplomatic space, most of the time antony blinken is spending on these meetings will be on that point. but there has to be space, as you say, for the day of the conversation, what happens when the bombs stop
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falling? at that point we will need a restoration of moderate palestinian leadership. there are real challenges to that. we have been hearing divisions between the west bank palestinian leadership and the hamas leadership in gaza. in some ways no group has done more to oppose how mass than that palestinian leadership. so how do we find a way to restore their authority on the ground while also rebuilding, repairing this immense damage that would have been done over these weeks of huge bombardment?— over these weeks of huge bombardment? �* ,, ., . over these weeks of huge bombardment? ,, ., . ~ ., , bombardment? and we know that antony bfinken bombardment? and we know that antony blinken is going — bombardment? and we know that antony blinken is going to _ bombardment? and we know that antony blinken is going to turkey _ bombardment? and we know that antony blinken is going to turkey tomorrow, - blinken is going to turkey tomorrow, an additional stop and that has been added to the trip. president recep tayyip erdogan in the last week has put out quite an inflammatory statement backing hamas, israel recalled its ambassadors. just looking ahead to tomorrow, what sort of discussions do you think will be happening there, and how will they contribute to the situation here? it contribute to the situation here? it will be very difficult discussions.
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i think antony blinken will feel the force of that frustration and anger from his turkish hosts. but also there will be practical conversations. the americans know that the turks are crucial, as are the qataris as a back channel to hamas on trying to get hostages released. and that they are absolutely crucial, is of course the egyptians are command getting aid in, getting agreements that will really stick to get essential supplies into those palestinian civilians. so they are an absolutely key player in all this. there will be part of the conversation which is about feeling the pain of the turks and qataris and others in the region who are getting hugely criticised by their own populations by not having done more to stop the violence against civilians. but there will also be that level of practical detail. george mitchell, the american peacemaker, said diplomacy is 799 days of failure and one day of success and i imagine that's how antony blinken feels right now. tam antony blinken feels right now. tom fletcher, thank _ antony blinken feels right now. tom fletcher, thank you _
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antony blinken feels right now. tom fletcher, thank you forjoining us, former british ambassador to lebanon. inside gaza, israel's military has urged civilians repeatedly to leave the north. they had reopened today for a limited period of time, one of the strips main highways. there are only two of them, they said this would allow people to drive south for a three—hour window. that has now shut again with some 350—400,000 people remaining in northern gaza, according to a us envoy. the israel defence forces have said in the last half an hour or so as well that while they went to open that road they said that they came under fire from hamas fighters on the ground there as well. while all of this is going on the rafa crossing to egypt also has remained closed today. we have heard that gaza border authorities say that they will not permit foreign passport holders to cross into egypt until the injured
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people in gaza's hospitals are allowed to travel to rafa crossing dhammakaya, hundreds of foreign citizens have crossed in the last few days, 7500 waiting to come through, that was expected to take two weeks. meanwhile an official from the un agency for palestinian refugees has warned that there is little the organisation can do to protect gazans on the ground there. —— rafa crossing. the talk about there being no a safe spaces left. we have received these pictures from someone who works at the al—shifa hospital in gaza, the large hospital that we talk about so much, it has taken these phone clips, these are wards you can see inside the al—shifa hospital packed with injured people. to warn you, you may find some of these images distressing. —— crossing. find some of these images distressing. -- crossing. today is the 3rd of — distressing. -- crossing. today is the 3rd of november, _ distressing. -- crossing. today is the 3rd of november, the - distressing. -- crossing. today is the 3rd of november, the 20th i distressing. -- crossing. today is i the 3rd of november, the 20th day distressing. -- crossing. today is - the 3rd of november, the 20th day of aggression on gaza. i'm now doing a
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photo. this is the sixth operating theatre in the main speciality building. this is located for the cardiac surgery room. but unfortunately today we are replacing children who already had surgery, these are children. 0k, children? they had surgery. we don't have any empty place in the inpatient department so we turned this room to be as a recovery area and inpatient department to our icu. unfortunately this boy has no family at all, no member of his family can see him or come to see this boy. i'm in the main operating theatre in al shifa. it is overwhelmed with a huge number of injured people, as you see health. this is a recovery area full of patients. there is no vacant place to add to the inpatient department. you see, as always, it's
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the same scene. no vacancies in the inpatient department to admit any patients. most of the patients had surgery but they are waiting to be transferred to the inpatient department. unfortunately we are keeping them here. this is a horrible situation. we are providing care in this theatre. as you see here, this is again where we are performing the surgery again. that's the al shifa hospital in gaza. you can see how inadequate the facilities are there. but as a hospital which the israelis are saying is at the centre of hamas was infrastructure. they say hamas are using tunnels underneath the hospital and using the people above it as human shields. the united nations palestinian refugee agency has also been speaking today about a school that it runs for displaced people in gaza which was earlier today. their spokeswomanjuliette
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today. their spokeswoman juliette touma today. their spokeswomanjuliette touma told the bbc that thousands of people were sheltering at the school in jabalia in people were sheltering at the school injabalia in the north of the gaza strip. hamas says that israel carried out the attack. a spokesperson for the israeli military said it was investigating and said there had been an exchange of fire. and another school sheltering displaced palestinians was hit by an explosion on friday night. the health ministry in gaza said that at least 12 people were killed in that incident. hamas said that the school was bombed by israel and there has been no comment yet from the israel defence forces on that incident. these images you can see now show the aftermath of an israeli attack on an ambulance which also happened late on friday. the un and the world health organization have both condemned that attack. the israel defence forces admitted striking the ambulance. they said that the vehicle was being used by hamas to transport fighters. the gaza health ministry have released their daily total of casualties in
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this conflict, they say 9488 people have been killed with around 3900 of them being children. around 1400 israelis were killed in the hamas attacks on october seven. our correspondent rushdi abualouf in gaza. ., gaza. today israel asked about 500,000 gaza. today israel asked about 500.000 people _ gaza. today israel asked about 500,000 people who - gaza. today israel asked about 500,000 people who still- gaza. today israel asked about 500,000 people who still live | gaza. today israel asked about i 500,000 people who still live in gaza city in the north to leave the south here to khan younis. the city is already overwhelmed by about a million people displaced from their houses. the reason the fighting was intensified around the gaza city and it seems the israeli operation is expanding and pushing the people who are still in gaza to leave. they were in the area to be evacuated, especially around the tel al—hawa area where the al-quds hospital is. this morning there was an air strike right in the front of the hospital and they destroyed a building causing big damage and big panic to about 14,000 people who were taken
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to hospital as shelter. israel insisted they should leave, the director of the hospital said we can't leave because most of the road around the hospital were destroyed and about 100 patients are being treated inside, eight of them connected to the life—saving machine. the biggest israeli incursion so far as in the north, west of gaza and they are pushing hard towards gaza city. it seems the israelis want to tighten the siege around gaza city itself and pushing hard for the still there to leave their their homes here to kahn younis. ., �* . . . . their their homes here to kahn younis. ., �* . . �* �* , hello there. tomorrow should be a drier day for more of the country with some sunshine around today, though, still very unsettled again
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with dominated by low pressure. this one is bringing some very strong winds through biscay into the west coast of france, northern parts of spain. we do around the base of that low. see some stronger winds, though, running through the english channel and again, unfortunately affecting the channel islands. the winds this time gusting close to 50 miles an hour, much lighter winds further north, especially in scotland, northern ireland, where it's turning a bit drier, but quite cool there, particularly if you are stuck underneath this rain and there are some heavier showers running along the south coast of england heading towards the dover straits as well. now, if you are going to be seeing some fireworks this evening, looking a bit drier in scotland and northern ireland, a few breaks in the cloud, not such good weather across much of northern england and north wales. still got some rain here. and these showers that are coming all the way from hampshire to kent could be heavy, possibly thundery and there'll be some gusty winds in there as well. so not particularly ideal. those winds may tend to ease overnight as the low pressure has been bringing all the wet weather tends to move away. so by the time we get to first thing tomorrow,
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these are the temperatures. it could be quite a chilly start in scotland and northern ireland. few patches of mist and fog in scotland to clear away in the morning. quite a cloudy start for eastern scotland, eastern parts of england, a little bit of rain in the air that should move away as the low moves away and we get more sunshine coming through. showers, though, getting blown into westernmost parts of scotland. not too many in northern ireland, a few coming over the irish sea in western parts of england and wales. again, the strongest of the winds are going to be across the south, across southern most parts of england and through the english channel. gusts close to 40 miles an hour or so. lighter winds further north. and those temperatures, 11 to 13, probably a little bit warmer than today across parts of northern england and north wales with the promise of some sunshine bonfire night tomorrow evening. clearer skies across the east. showers continue out towards the west. now the week ahead. not looking particularly stormy, not looking that windy nor indeed that wet. we are going to find a weather front coming in from the atlantic by the middle part of next week, bringing some rain and maybe some stronger winds. but ahead of that, the start of the week, we'll see some sunshine
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live from london. this is bbc news. foreign ministers from egypt and jordan call for an immediate ceasefire in gaza — but their american counterpart antony blinken says that would allow hamas to regroup. ceasefire now would simply leave hamas in place, able to regroup and repeat what it did on october the 7th.
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hamas says 15 people have been killed in an explosion at a un—run school, where displaced people were sheltering. israel says it's investigating the circumstances. the us says up to 400,000 people remain in northern gaza, as israel's ground offensive there continues. the un says no part of gaza is safe. an earthquake in western nepal kills at least 157 people. houses are destroyed and people are digging through rubble to rescue others. hello, you are watching bbc news from london. arab foreign ministers at a meeting in amman have told
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