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some 200 of those reports were useful to investigators — a fourfold increase. at busy locations like london's trafalgar square, police patrols under the counter—terrorism tactic project servator are being carried out with extra vigilance. servator patrols involve specially trained, highly visible officers engaging with the public, encouraging them to be vigilant, while plainclothes officers watch for suspicious activity. much like normal crime — no matter whether you're a shoplifter, all the way up to and including terrorism, some form of hostile reconnaissance takes place. and our aim is to detect and disrupt that hostile reconnaissance during the planning phase of a crime. the police are asking the public to enjoy the build—up to christmas — not to be afraid, but to be alert and vigilant and to report any concerns. daniel sandford, bbc news, trafalgar square.
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the internet watch foundation says they're concerned about a potential tsunami of ai generated child sexual abuse material in wales. policing units say they expect to see this material in the near future — and that it's a priority for them. child protection organisations are calling for action to protect children who may be vulnerable from this sort of abuse. gemma dunstan reports. these faces look like anyone you would see on the street, except these people do not exist. they have been made using generative artificial intelligence. lots of ai software prevents people creating sexual abuse material of children, but some have found ways around this. law enforcement say they have not found any of these images in wales yet. but they expected to. we know from talking to national police leads in england that they are starting to see them, so they are maybe trickling in at the moment but then they will become a tsunami in the future. a mother in spain saw her daughter
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become a victim of this crime. she had clothed photos ai generated to be naked and shared on the internet without her knowledge. at first, when my daughter showed me the photos, the impact was very hard. because we are talking about a young girl and a situation that we did not have control over. boys and girls have mobile phones with unlimited access to everything, social networks, access to porn, and now, our division intelligence. and now, artificial intelligence. they have a weapon of destruction in their hands. this doctor is a teacher in bridgend and says lessons about values and behaviours are important to understand what is and isn't acceptable when it comes to apps and software. schools play a pivotal role in creating these i conversations, bringing them out into the foreground, _ rather than these subjects being - taboo, discussed amongst themselves, sharing misinformation, - we can as safe adults encourage these conversations in which week
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and support learners to think- these conversations in which we can support learners to think— critically about the images - in which they are engaging but also the behaviour that goes alongside it. | last week at the uk ai summit, home secretary suella braverman committed to clampdown on the spread of ai generated child sexual abuse material. it is a message that has been welcomed, but one that people say needs action urgently. carol vorderman is to leave her weekly show on bbc radio wales after breaking bbc guidelines by attacking the government on social media. the presenter, who has hosted the saturday morning show for five years, is a vocal critic of the government on x, formerly twitter. the bbc recently published new impartiality rules for stars and staff. vorderman said she was not "prepared to lose my voice on social media" and managers "have decided i must leave". she has almost 900,000 followers, and her previous posts include one
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on saturday that said: "this iteration of the tory party needs to be utterly dismantled at the next election." more now on the covid inquiry — a former head of the civil service has told the inquiry this morning he was concerned that senior ministers were being sidelined during the pandemic. lord sedwill said he felt the need to remind borisjohnson of the importance of involving the cabinet. the inquiry was also shown an email from march 2020, in which the former cabinet secretary warned mrjohnson�*s then chief advisor, dominic cummings, that the government was not a "dictatorship". live now to our correspondent ellie price who's covering the inquiry for us. just tell us more about these comments there have been made with regards to how the government was run at that time. for regards to how the government was run at that time.— run at that time. for a better background. _ run at that time. for a better background, mark _ run at that time. for a better background, mark sedwill . run at that time. for a betterl background, mark sedwill was run at that time. for a better - background, mark sedwill was there and then most senior civil servant in government, he was the cabinet secretary which meant, as he
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explained it, he bridge the gap that existed sometimes between government departments at number ten, the health department, the treasury, that sort of thing. it was his job to bring those departments together. 0bviously, he played a crucial role as he would in any major crisis but particularly in the pandemic and he was borisjohnson�*s... before the pandemic to those key decision—making moments than then fell out spectacularly with boris johnson by the summer of 2020. there were those exchanges this morning where he had to remind borisjohnson exactly how decisions were made, involving the ministers and politicians. there was also the e—mail exchange which was between him and dominic cummings who was borisjohnson�*s most senior him and dominic cummings who was boris johnson's most senior adviser in which there was, assuming we're sort of argument, if you like, about how meeting should be taking place around the time of those key decisions in february and march time
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ahead of the pandemic in which mark sedwill had to remind dominic cummings that key decision should not be taken by a bunch of number tens and reminding him that there was decision should not be made with no ministers, experts or scientists. we are not running a dictatorship. 0bviously, we are not running a dictatorship. obviously, it cuts to the heart of what the inquiry here is trying to find out, exactly how those structures within government works or indeed didn't work on those decisions were made during a pandemic. decisions were made during a pandemic— decisions were made during a andemic. ., , ., , ., pandemic. you can see that sign on the ste -s pandemic. you can see that sign on the steps behind _ pandemic. you can see that sign on the steps behind ellie _ pandemic. you can see that sign on the steps behind ellie and - pandemic. you can see that sign on the steps behind ellie and you - pandemic. you can see that sign on the steps behind ellie and you can i the steps behind ellie and you can see on the screen of the left to me that we are waiting for that inquiry to restart. we will bring you to that found bbc news as and when it commences. we have also touched on fact that the interaction between the devolved government meant that at times from his perspective it wasn't easy to navigate through the pandemic. ida. wasn't easy to navigate through the andemic. ., �* wasn't easy to navigate through the andemic. ., ~ �* , , pandemic. no. and it's interesting because we _ pandemic. no. and it's interesting because we had _ pandemic. no. and it's interesting because we had a _ pandemic. no. and it's interesting because we had a bit _ pandemic. no. and it's interesting because we had a bit about - pandemic. no. and it's interesting because we had a bit about that i because we had a bit about that yesterday. there was an e—mail exchange and a witness yesterday,
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sir eddie lester who had been boris johnson's chief of staff, he was asked about the relationship between borisjohnson and the then first minister of scotland nicola sturgeon and he said that they didn't like each other very much. the accusation being that scotland made its own decisions later on in the pandemic. you will remember that there were different restrictions on parts of the uk scotland, according to eddie lister were making decisions a few days later than the uk government whereas wales and northern ireland decided to keep similar to what was going on in westminster. i think they will all have something to say about that. it's quite interesting that i was brought up this morning when mark sidwell said that basically the the administration basically the the administration basically followed in line with those strict restrictions were first imposed, the lockdown in march 2020, but keeping those administrations in line, if you like, as he saw it,
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became more difficult when the pandemic went on when decisions, as he described, were less acute. you are stood outside of the covid inquiry and i can tell our view is that it has recommenced so let's join it. the only answer i can see is stalinist segmentation. the lockdown hits the young and healthy, the virus kills the old and sick. we have to confront the brutal truth and organise for it. is that chris whitty? i and organise for it. is that chris whi ? , , and organise for it. is that chris whitty?_ if- and organise for it. is that chris whitty?_ if we - and organise for it. is that chris whitty?_ if we gel whitty? i presume so. if we go forward to _ whitty? i presume so. if we go forward to page _ whitty? i presume so. if we go forward to page 11, _ whitty? i presume so. if we go forward to page 11, to - whitty? i presume so. if we go forward to page 11, to set - whitty? i presume so. if we go forward to page 11, to set the l forward to page 11, to set the context. we can see that in the middle of the page, mark said, i had a good session with the data people whilst in oxford. and then simon case says, this at 11:24am, we
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agreed with the prime minister the chance to set up a cell in the task force to draw up a plan for segmentation. they said they were up for it. and then, at 11:29am, at the end of your whatsapp having described the sort of process or system that might be considered: i don't buy the sage argument that it is all too difficult. simon case: neither does the prime minister or chancellor of the exchequer by the sage argument. i am just not sure this is a sage issue this is about political will implementation policy and then personal behaviour not science. mark sidwell: exactly. two questions. firstly. the inquiry has heard evidence about how in august
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and september the covid task force looked specifically at the issue of segmentation and whether it was practically possible. as of course, an alternative to a more stringent intervention which might otherwise be utilised. is this the genesis do you think of that policy work done by the covid task force? i wouldn't necessarily — by the covid task force? i wouldn't necessarily claim _ by the covid task force? i wouldn't necessarily claim the _ by the covid task force? i wouldn't necessarily claim the genesis - by the covid task force? i wouldn't necessarily claim the genesis butl by the covid task force? i wouldn't| necessarily claim the genesis but a contribution to it, i would hope. secondly, it is clear from contribution to it, i would hope. secondly, it is clearfrom simon case because my observation with which you agreed, you use the word exactly. that to the extent that simon case was describing the government's to study my decision to investigate segmentation, describing his political will and implementation policy. the government really wasn't following the science at all. sage plainly
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advises and did advise on the need for shielding, the epidemiological necessity and on the epidemiological consequences of shielding. while we are trying to or why were you agreeing that sage and its position and argument should be dismissed in this way? irlat and argument should be dismissed in this wa ? ., . and argument should be dismissed in thiswa ? ., . , ,, , this way? not so much dismissed but not necessarily _ this way? not so much dismissed but not necessarily accepted _ this way? not so much dismissed but not necessarily accepted without - not necessarily accepted without challenge. shielding, as we discussed earlier, effective shielding would be a crucial element of any segmentation approach. essentially, quarantining and essentially, quara ntining and protecting essentially, quarantining and protecting those for whom the disease was dangerous whilst managing its spread as we discussed before for those whom it was unpleasant. the differential impact for the disease was even more striking by this point, i think. the number of under 50s who had been hospitalised was even smaller than had been expected, etc. that doesn't
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of course mean younger people, particularly those with mobility is one at risk. but sufficient critical care capacity they could be properly treated and so that was the question. the reason here was that essentially it was again testing whether now that we have better knowledge of the disease, more capabilities in place, was there a way of taking on that different approach. i think that it is right and that is fundamentally a policy question rather than a scientific one. the scientist would have to advise but you have to take that advice to account whilst working out, is there a policy route through this? .. ., out, is there a policy route through this? ., , ., this? the fact that sage had advanced — this? the fact that sage had advanced and _ this? the fact that sage had advanced and argument - this? the fact that sage had advanced and argument at i this? the fact that sage had | advanced and argument at all this? the fact that sage had i advanced and argument at all is evidence is it not the government had asked sage for its view? you are saying that in your opinion sage was my argument was too difficult. so
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you would asked sage to address this issue? i you would asked sage to address this issue? .., �* you would asked sage to address this issue? .. �* .., you would asked sage to address this issue? .. �* .. ., , issue? i can't recall whether it was the nature — issue? i can't recall whether it was the nature of— issue? i can't recall whether it was the nature of the _ issue? i can't recall whether it was the nature of the commission - issue? i can't recall whether it was the nature of the commission to i the nature of the commission to sage. ijust don't know. it would have probably been through the cmo and the chief scientific adviser. my recollection is that sage produce informal advice in early september, i think it came at almost at the time of my final cabinet on exactly this question. so there must have been a commission to sage, i don't know whether that followed from this discussion aware that i was simply inferring from what i knew from sage. their position at this point. when you say on this question do you mean _ when you say on this question do you mean the _ when you say on this question do you mean the question of segmentation. gas. .. mean the question of segmentation. gas. ., ., , ~' mean the question of segmentation. gas. ., ., ,~' ,,~ , mean the question of segmentation. gas. ., ., , ., , gas. having asked sage for its view, however it was _ gas. having asked sage for its view, however it was commissioned, - gas. having asked sage for its view, however it was commissioned, sage j however it was commissioned, sage having proffered its view, having also declared that the government was in a general sense, i appreciate it's a general sense only, following the science, it is rather curious
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that by characterising this debate as a policy or political issue, sage�*s opinion was in principle simply rejected as being just too difficult? i simply re'ected as being 'ust too difficult? ., �* ~' simply re'ected as being 'ust too difficult? ., �* ~ . difficult? i don't think re'ected but i mini difficult? i don't think re'ected but i think by i difficult? i don't think re'ected but i think by that fl difficult? i don't think re'ected but i think by that stageh difficult? i don't think rejected but i think by that stage the i but i think by that stage the government had actually said, i think in a cabinet meeting in a discussion about two metres versus one metre distance in, etc, that, i think there was more recognition. of course, we were in much calmer waters by this stage, at least temporarily. there was a recognition by ministers that scientific expertise was an input but wasn't, and like going into the first lockdown, wasn't the only determinant of government policy. all right. moving on to another topic. the watts amps between yourself and simon case, demonstrated the debate that you had about the process by which leicester
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and other places would be placed under local restrictions following the exit from the national lockdown. that is to say, injune and july of 2020. if we could have page seven up... at 2124, i can't... yes, thank you very much. towards the top of the page, local leaders were refusing to accept the legitimacy... in what way did you understand to be
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