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just say it like she saw it and, you comes sacking of the home secretary comes days before the supreme court was due to make a decision on the very know, never mind the consequences. controversial rwanda policy. it yes, the department itself is going controversial rwanda policy. if there controversial rwanda policy. it there is one regret for suella to be hugely important. along with braverman, because i think she has the department forjustice. in terms manufactured the situation where her of dealing with that criminal sacking had become inevitable, her regret will be not to be imposed on justice, crime and punishment wednesday. if the government won in debates that are going to be going the supreme court, she said back in on. i'm certain right up until the october, i'd love to have a front next election, whenever that comes. page of the telegraph with a plane 0k, next election, whenever that comes. ok, mark easton, our home editor, taking off to rwanda, my dream, my i'm sure we will speak to you again obsession. she is somebody who has throughout the course of the morning nailed her colours to the rwanda but for the moment, thank you very policy mast, and i think it would be much. well, it wasjust a disappointment for her that she is but for the moment, thank you very much. well, it was just over a year orso much. well, it was just over a year or so that suella braverman was not in post. a hugely important day reappointed home secretary by rishi for the government. if they win that sunak. he became prime minister a will be evidence that their policy year ago, just over. she hasn'tjust is the right one and the best one to left thejob of deal with the small boats crisis. year ago, just over. she hasn'tjust left the job of home secretary, one of the great offices of state, but where they to lose, which would take she's also left the government us into different political altogether. my colleague, helen catt territory, suella braverman is well known to be somebody who thinks the
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takes a look at her political uk should leave the european convention on human rights. the prime minister rishi sunak may have career. some sympathy with that view. if the she's the daughter of migrants government loses on wednesday, i who put taking a tough line think suella braverman from the on immigration at the centre of her agenda as home secretary. backbenches now would certainly make suella braverman inherited that point and i think it will be the government's flagship policy of sending illegal arrivals to rwanda but it's one interesting to see if that situation she wholeheartedly embraced. does arise how downing street responds. since how could that change, that policy? it she was also a leading voice, since how could that change, that oli ? ., �* . ., ., pushing for curbs on all migration since how could that change, that oli ? . ., ., ., policy? it won't change at all, the cabinet entirely _ policy? it won't change at all, the cabinet entirely agreed _ and was prepared to say bluntly policy? it won't change at all, the cabinet entirely agreed that - policy? it won't change at all, the cabinet entirely agreed that the l cabinet entirely agreed that the what she believed. policy is the right one. it has where individuals are being persecuted, it is right obviously been through a long and that we offer sanctuary. but we will not be able to sustain complicated legal process, huge an asylum system if, in effect, frustration in government over that. simply being gay or a woman they are convinced that the only way or fearful of discrimination in your country of origin, is sufficient to really deal with the criminal to qualify for protection. originally given the job gangs bringing people across the of home secretary by liz truss, six weeks later, ms braverman channel and to deal with the problem was out of the picture. she'd broken the ministerial code is, as they would describe it, by e—mailing a document to someone uncontrolled illegal migration, is who shouldn't have seen it and she resigned. to introduce a radical change to the asylum system. the question i think when the new prime minister rishi sunak reappointed herjust a week later, it was controversial. was his home secretary really is how much will the law right to resign last week for a breach of security?
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still prevent them doing what they the home secretary made an error. want to do, which is to send ofjudgment but she recognised that, hundreds, if not thousands, of she raised the matter- asylum seekers to rwanda? although and she accepted her mistake. the government, even if it were to ms braverman stayed, popular with the right of the party, win on wednesday on the central but there were increasing concerns argument, if you like, which is that about her choice of language. rwanda is a safe third country, that it is ok to send asylum seekers too, we have also seen the courts and the across the globe in the 20th century was a mere gust garment has accepted this, support compared to the hurricane individuals in their claims that they should not be sent to rwanda. that is coming. whichever way it goes on wednesday is going to be a big legal argument she clashed with the metropolitan police commissioner, going on. and, of course, if we sir mark rowley, over pro—palestine protests in london and caused a backlash when she said sleeping do... whoever the new home secretary rough in tents was sometimes a lifestyle choice. is, they will have to find a way of suella fernandes. .. dealing with all of that. i suspect that the stakes, in terms of britain it was in 2015 that ms braverman, a's place, within the european then suella fernandes, convention of human rights and so first entered the commons. on, is going to become a big debate a brexiteer, she quit as brexit minister over concerns about theresa may's version —— britain's place. of the withdrawal agreement. on, is going to become a big debate but laterjoined the cabinet -- britain's place.— as borisjohnson�*s attorney general. -- britain's place. mark, let's talk about the circumstances -
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-- britain's place. mark, let's talk. about the circumstances surrounding and in 2021, she became the first suella braverman�*s departure. there cabinet minister to take maternity was an article in the times last leave after a change in the law weekend i spoke to someone who was was rushed through to allow it. for me of the met police last week she never hid her ambition, though, for the topjob. on bbc news who said the mood among asked if she would run for leader the rank and file officers was here before her boss really disappointed. they were had actually resigned. i'll be straight with you, frustrated that i home secretary was robert, yes, iwill. criticising the police in such an in the resulting contest, open way. what was your reading of she came sixth, but suspicions swirled that her punchy style was, that? and how that led to her in part, ultimate downfall? —— that a home about setting the ground secretary. ultimate downfall? -- that a home secreta . ~ ,, ., �* ., ., secretary. when suella braverman, when she was _ for another run. secretary. when suella braverman, when she was home _ secretary. when suella braverman, when she was home secretary, - secretary. when suella braverman, when she was home secretary, hadi when she was home secretary, had regular and easy access to the it's the guardian—reading, commission of the metropolitan tofu—eating, wokerati, dare i say, police, sir mark rowley. the anti—growth coalition that we have to thank undoubtedly, there was some upset for the disruption that we that she had decided to raise this are seeing on our roads today. for now, suella braverman question about the evenhandedness of will return to the backbenches. it seems unlikely, though, the way that scotland yard polices that she'll do it quietly. protests, the suggestion being that helen catt, bbc news, westminster. they were much tougher on right wing protests than those more on the left. she could have had that helen catt looking back on the conversation if she had concerns directly with sir mark. instead, she political career of suella braverman. but it is by no means
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chose to do it without warning and, over. of course, this morning, rishi as we know, without number ten full sunak sacked her as home secretary. agreement. in the times newspaper. it was a sacking that had been widely touted and rumoured here in suella braverman is a particular kind of politician. she is somebody westminster over the last few days. who, you know, does not mince her the real action, though, in downing words. she says what she says. for street this morning has been the return, at least on this street this many people within the conservative morning, we don't know what for yet, party, that is something they find of former prime minister david quite refreshing. somebody who is cameron, who was seen arriving here not going to be worried about not too long ago. it is being widely upsetting people or staring things speculated that he could become the upsetting people or staring things up a little bit. —— stirring things next foreign secretary with the current foreign secretary james cleverly being moved to the home up. if you are the prime minister office to replace suella braverman. and trying to keep things together at the moment, we understand both in difficult times, that could be men are in there and, of course, more difficult. rishi sunak had until we see them come out, we get really decided to come up until today, that it was better to have the news, it is all mere speculation. that is begging it suella braverman in the tent, as it further, because that is what we were, ratherthan suella braverman in the tent, as it always do here in westminster, i am were, rather than outside. suella braverman in the tent, as it were, ratherthan outside. in suella braverman in the tent, as it were, rather than outside. in some respects, her language, although there were words that many other joined by my colleague, political cabinet ministers and, indeed, correspondent ione wells. a
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remarkable morning when we see a probably the prime minister too, would not have used, she was former prime minister walk up downing street when we didn't expect reflecting some deep frustrations within the country. it'll be him. , ., , ., him. currently not even somebody who sits in parliament, _ him. currently not even somebody who sits in parliament, he _ him. currently not even somebody who sits in parliament, he is— him. currently not even somebody who sits in parliament, he is not _ him. currently not even somebody who sits in parliament, he is not an - him. currently not even somebody who sits in parliament, he is not an mp, - sits in parliament, he is not an mp, he is not in the house of lords. interesting to see the new home secretary, whoever that is, whether that could happen very quickly, he they take a much more measured tone could be made a lord in orderfor in dealing with protests, parliament to hold him to account immigration, crime and so on. if, as expected, he is about to be indeed, all of this coming a year made to the new foreign secretary. as you say, this is completely ahead of an expected general election where the policies from the unexpected and i don't think anyone was expecting him to be walking up home office are going to be a big this street this morning. it is a huge brief, as well, arguably at the talking point in a future campaign. moment one of the most important in government what with the ongoing yes, it's clearfrom conflict between israel and gaza. a talking point in a future campaign. yes, it's clear from the conservative party conference and subsequently that the conservatives huge brief for him to take on. want to put crime and punishment at interesting parliamentary aspect, in the heart of what they're going to be offering the country at the next westminster, as i say, he will have election. again, it is that sense of to be accountable to parliament, wanting to have somebody who is tough, who is, you know, saying it answering questions about what the government because my current policy like they see it. i think suella is when it comes to the middle east. braverman was definitely somebody he isn't currently sitting in who appealed to some of the tory
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rank and file in that she seemed to parliament or as a lord or mp and it is tricky, people spectating how this will work in practice. that is interesting. _ this will work in practice. that is interesting, he _ this will work in practice. that is interesting, he is _ this will work in practice. that is interesting, he is not _ this will work in practice. that is interesting, he is not sitting - this will work in practice. that is interesting, he is not sitting in l interesting, he is not sitting in parliament at all, which i almost forgot! what would have to happen forgot! what would have to happen for him to be appointed or could he just be appointed anyway, what sort of constitutional rules around that? he could certainly be put in the house of lords by rishi sunak. film. house of lords by rishi sunak. 0h, sor to house of lords by rishi sunak. oh, sorry to interrupt, confirmation that james cleverly is indeed home secretary. that james cleverly is indeed home secreta . , , ~ that james cleverly is indeed home secreta . , , . ., , secretary. very expected that this move would _ secretary. very expected that this move would follow _ secretary. very expected that this move would follow and _ secretary. very expected that this move would follow and this - secretary. very expected that this move would follow and this is - secretary. very expected that this i move would follow and this is where the moving parts are happening this morning. to recap, suella braverman sacked as home secretary, james cleverly replacing her as home secretary, that is why david cameron has been brought in to replace him as foreign secretary. hat has been brought in to replace him as foreign secretary. not confirmed but widely expected. _ as foreign secretary. not confirmed but widely expected. that's - as foreign secretary. not confirmed but widely expected. that's right. . but widely expected. that's right. that is the next _ but widely expected. that's right. that is the next orchestra. - but widely expected. that's right. that is the next orchestra. we - but widely expected. that's right. i that is the next orchestra. we have just had confirmation that james cleverly is the new home secretary.
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let's stick to that talk about foreign secretary, surely it will be announced soon. let's stick with james cleverly, replacing suella braverman. he has been very prominent in recent weeks and months as home secretary. he is well regarded across the party, isn't he? that's right. in recent polls among conservative members he has risen up and is seen as one of the most popular cabinet ministers among tory party members anyway. that is an interesting fact in itself. clearly, suella braverman was certainly seen as popular among the tory right, the right wing of the party. some of the more right—wing tory party members in particular. but it did isolate some of her own party within westminster, some of the more centrist wing of the party. i think james cleverly will potentially be seen as somebody who could unite different wings in that sense potentially but it is a huge and very controversial brief. we know thatjust very controversial brief. we know that just this week the new very controversial brief. we know thatjust this week the new home secretary will have to deal with things like the rwanda ruling,
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whether their policy to send some asylum seeker is to rewind it is legal or not. if it is not, there are some in the conservative party is some asylum seekers to rwanda. we'lljames cleverly want to do that if he has just moved from the foreign office brief where part of this role was diplomacy, speaking to the international community, working with european counterparts, us counterparts. would he now wants to move from that diplomatic stage to one where he is campaigning to leave a human rights convention. we don't know. we don't know what he plans to do as home secretary, given he has just been appointed. a massive brief to take on when the government is under pressure to tackle small boat crossing is in the channel, so certainly has been under pressure in the last couple of days in particular around his attitude to policing as well and protests and how the policing of protests will happen, going forward. these are all big, big questions thatjames
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cleverly will now inherit as home secretary. cleverly will now inherit as home secreta . ., ,, ., secretary. you cover this beat reuularl secretary. you cover this beat regularly lone. _ secretary. you cover this beat regularly lone, are _ secretary. you cover this beat regularly lone, are you - secretary. you cover this beat i regularly lone, are you surprised regularly ione, are you surprised that cleverly has moved into this role, given he had such a prominent role, given he had such a prominent role in the foreign office? it is surprising _ role in the foreign office? it is surprising in — role in the foreign office? it is surprising in the _ role in the foreign office? it 3 surprising in the sense that certainly he had made clear his intentions to stay as foreign secretary. actually he was asked at a press conference fairly recently about other reshuffle speculation some time ago. he made it pretty clear and he even sent a message when he was overseas to rishi sunak that he wanted to stay as foreign secretary, he loved this job and didn't want to move. some may be even resurfacing that clip today potentially as evidence this wasn't necessarily a move he would have chosen for himself. politically, does it make sense? is it a surprise? potentially not. he is a popularfigure surprise? potentially not. he is a popular figure among tory party members. he is already in one of the bigger great offices of state. potentially seen as a safe pair of hands. there will be questions about whether it is a brief he really
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wants given some of his previous rhetoric. ~ ., ., , rhetoric. were there other names in the frame? — rhetoric. were there other names in the frame? perhaps _ rhetoric. were there other names in the frame? perhaps robert - rhetoric. were there other names in the frame? perhaps robert jenrick, | the frame? perhaps robertjenrick, immigration minister, and other names in the frame. who else was being considered for this, do you think? . �* , ., , being considered for this, do you think? . h .,, ., , think? that's right, as there always is before these _ think? that's right, as there always is before these things, _ think? that's right, as there always is before these things, there - think? that's right, as there always is before these things, there is - think? that's right, as there always is before these things, there is a i is before these things, there is a waste regulation thinking about someone like robertjenrick, who is already immigration minister and has already immigration minister and has a home office brief in that sense or whether it was somebody who is a close ally of rishi sunak, somebody like his deputy prime minister oliver dowden, for example. one of the things that clearly sort of i think broke down tensions in the end between rishi sunak and the former home secretary, suella braverman, was a kind of perceived disloyalty to him. that article over the weekend where she kind of had written pretty inflammatory language around policing, numberten written pretty inflammatory language around policing, number ten had asked her to make changes and she didn't then make the changes that were requested. that active going against the grain of what rishi sunak wanted was potentially the
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final straw. sunak wanted was potentially the finalstraw. he sunak wanted was potentially the final straw. he will be hoping this new relationship will put —— with james cleverly will be one where there is more loyalty and toeing the line of what rishi sunak wants. maybe not as headline grabbing but let's see. ione, stay with us. we are watching this very closely. not much movement but i suspect shortly there might be a bit of a revolving door. stay with us. i am nowjoined byjohn rental, who is the independent newspapers chief political respondent, good to have you with us on a busy morning at bbc news. what do you make of the developments in the last couple of hours? the return of david cameron as foreign secretary is quite a surprise. foreign secretary is quite a surprise-— foreign secretary is quite a surrise. ., , , surprise. not yet confirmed, is it, john? that's _ surprise. not yet confirmed, is it, john? that's speculation. - surprise. not yet confirmed, is it, john? that's speculation. no! - surprise. not yet confirmed, is it, john? that's speculation. no! i. john? that's speculation. no! i don't think— john? that's speculation. no! i don't think david _ john? that's speculation. no! i don't think david cameron - john? that's speculation. no! i don't think david cameron was | john? that's speculation. no! i. don't think david cameron was in there because he had forgotten to empty larry the cat's litter tray! laughter
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he is very likely to be foreign secretary. it is a strange appointment for somebody who only the other day was proclaiming himself as the change candidate. this seems very much like a step backwards. with all due respect to david cameron. i thoughtjames cleverly was doing a good job as foreign secretary. in many ways, a surprisingly good job, because he didn't have much foreign policy experience. yet rishi sunak... decided that he is a better fit at the home office. the decided that he is a better fit at the home office.— decided that he is a better fit at the home office. the question is, john, do the home office. the question is, john. do you _ the home office. the question is, john, do you think— the home office. the question is, john, do you think that, _ the home office. the question is, john, do you think that, again, i the home office. the question is, | john, do you think that, again, we are only speculating here, but do you think the sort of sentiment behind david cameron's likely appointment to foreign secretary was that the prime minister sought him out specifically for this? filth. that the prime minister sought him out specifically for this?— out specifically for this? oh, yes. you can see _ out specifically for this? oh, yes. you can see the _ out specifically for this? oh, yes. you can see the rationale - out specifically for this? oh, yes. you can see the rationale for i out specifically for this? oh, yes. you can see the rationale for it. |
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out specifically for this? oh, yes. | you can see the rationale for it. a very experienced politician. someone who knows foreign affairs extremely well and knows a lot of foreign leaders already. it makes a lot of sense. alec douglas hume was foreign secretary after he was prime minister. william hague was foreign secretary after he was leader of the party. it is not... it is not a precedent in that sense. but i think it's still a bit surprising. and who wants to appeal to the red wall. i don't think david cameron is exactly a working class conservative politician. but we'll see about that. i think the surprising thing is that it took so long to get rid of suella braverman. i’m is that it took so long to get rid of suella braverman.— is that it took so long to get rid of suella braverman. i'm 'ust going to stop you. — of suella braverman. i'm 'ust going to stop you. john. _ of suella braverman. i'm 'ust going to stop you, john, james i of suella braverman. i'm just going to stop you, john, james cleverly l to stop you, john, james cleverly new home secretary leaving downing
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street. getting into his car. of course, as usual, the press packet shouting out questions that they never really ever answer! —— press pack. off he goes presumably to his new office. so, there you have it. james cleverly, our new home secretary. john, to bring you in, we werejust home secretary. john, to bring you in, we were just showing those pictures, as he was leaving the black door behind me. how surprised are you that he is now home secretary? aha, are you that he is now home secretary?— are you that he is now home secreta7m , ,, secretary? a bit surprised, because i thouht secretary? a bit surprised, because i thought he — secretary? a bit surprised, because i thought he was _ secretary? a bit surprised, because i thought he was doing _ secretary? a bit surprised, because i thought he was doing a _ secretary? a bit surprised, because i thought he was doing a good i secretary? a bit surprised, because i thought he was doing a good job l secretary? a bit surprised, because| i thought he was doing a good job in the foreign office. but the urgent thing, as faras the foreign office. but the urgent thing, as far as rishi sunak was concerned, was to replace suella braverman. there is no question that james cleverly will be a sort of competent and reassuring figure and
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less inflammatory. it's surprising, in a way, that it's taken rishi sunak so long to get rid of suella braverman. i assume there are more changes to come but we don't know. that is quite a self—contained set of moves, james cleverly to the home office and david cameron in from outside the cabinet to the foreign secretary role. the conservative party put out a tweet this morning, saying a reshuffle is on and rishi sunak is strengthening his team, which didn't give us any clue as to whether this would be a big reshuffle orjust whether this would be a big reshuffle or just a whether this would be a big reshuffle orjust a limited one, concentrating on replacing the home secretary. concentrating on replacing the home secreta ., ., concentrating on replacing the home secreta .g ., , , , , secretary. john, 'ust very briefly, as ou secretary. john, 'ust very briefly, as you say. — secretary. john, just very briefly, as you say. quite _ secretary. john, just very briefly, as you say, quite a _ secretary. john, just very briefly, as you say, quite a clean - secretary. john, just very briefly, as you say, quite a clean move i secretary. john, just very briefly, l as you say, quite a clean move but it is a little complicated because, as ione wells, my colleague, was saying, david cameron doesn't sit in
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parliament any more, there are potential questions about how he would be held well, yes, but it does look a bit antique to put people in from the house of lords, but all governments do it. it is from the house of lords, but all governments do it.— from the house of lords, but all governments do it. it is a way of widenin: governments do it. it is a way of widening the _ governments do it. it is a way of widening the talent _ governments do it. it is a way of widening the talent pool- governments do it. it is a way of i widening the talent pool available. there will be questions about why it took so long to get rid of suella braverman, orwhy took so long to get rid of suella braverman, or why rishi sunak had her as home secretary in the first place as she seems to have been nothing but trouble for the past year. those questions will be overtaken by people surprised by the return of david cameron. {lilia overtaken by people surprised by the return of david cameron.— return of david cameron. ok, well, for the moment, _ return of david cameron. ok, well, for the moment, john _ return of david cameron. ok, well, for the moment, john rentoul, i return of david cameron. ok, well, | for the moment, john rentoul, chief political correspondent at the independent newspaper, thank you for sharing your insight. i should say we are all kinds of bracing ourselves for that door to open and everyone turned around when i was talking tojohn just now and it was because larry the cat had done a stroll alongside downing street. this is how we are all on
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tenterhooks waiting for that door to open. presumably with david cameron the likely foreign secretary to depart downing street. of course, having covered westminster before and seen david cameron as prime minister here, it would be quite a turnaround to see him back here in a different role. i am nowjoined, turnaround to see him back here in a different role. iam nowjoined, to discuss this further, by kevin schofield, the political editor of the huffington post uk. good to talk to you, kevin, how are you this morning? pl. to you, kevin, how are you this morning?— to you, kevin, how are you this mornino?�* , . . , ., morning? a bit hectic but all good, thank ou! morning? a bit hectic but all good, thank you! i _ morning? a bit hectic but all good, thank you! i mean, _ morning? a bit hectic but all good, thank you! i mean, i— morning? a bit hectic but all good, thank you! i mean, i think- morning? a bit hectic but all good, | thank you! i mean, i think everyone i've been speaking _ thank you! i mean, i think everyone i've been speaking to _ thank you! i mean, i think everyone i've been speaking to this _ thank you! i mean, i think everyone i've been speaking to this morning | i've been speaking to this morning is mostly surprised by seeing david cameron walk up this street again, i presume you are, as well? absolutely. a huge surprise, no one speculating on that particular development. a surprise not least because rishi sunak used his conservative party speech just last month to criticise the last 13 years of british political leadership ——
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last 30 years. obviously, david cameron was quite a large part of that. at the same time, david cameron was also highly critical of rishi sunak�*s decision to cancel hs to make between birmingham and manchester, lots of words being eaten —— hs2 between. if he replaces james cleverly as foreign secretary. just to break away from that for the moment, we are also hearing of reshuffles at the lower levels of the cabinet. we are hearing that nick gibb, schools minister, saying he won't be standing at the next general election and is now standing down as a minister. the statement says over the last two weeks i have been discussing taking up the diplomatic role after the general election to enable me to do so i have asked the prime minister if i can step down from the government at the reshuffle and he has agreed. i campaigned for richey last summer and remain an enthusiastic supporter of the prime minister's leadership —— campaignfor of the prime minister's leadership —— campaign for rishi sunak last summer. will there be some in the
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cabinet or indeed in the tory ranks who will be very unhappy at suella braverman's departure?— who will be very unhappy at suella braverman's departure? maybe not so much in the — braverman's departure? maybe not so much in the cabinet. _ braverman's departure? maybe not so much in the cabinet. what _ braverman's departure? maybe not so much in the cabinet. what was - much in the cabinet. what was noticeable last week was the lack of support amongst ministers on the various broadcast rounds that had been asked whether they agreed with her comments on homelessness being a lifestyle choice. and then her article in the times and no one was rushing to defend her. on the backbenches, certainly, she has her supporters. sometimes it is overstated how popular she is but undoubtedly it will anger some of those particularly on the right of the party who agree with a lot of the party who agree with a lot of the things that she was saying. that was one of the calculations that rishi sunak was having to make when he was deciding whether or not to sack her. he has a busy decided that, ultimately, he can live without having suella braverman causing trouble —— he has obviously
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decided. causing trouble within the cabinet. some people will be making clear their unhappiness that she has now been removed from the cabinet. isn't that the point. you say within the cabinet that —— but she is popular amongst the rank—and—file of the party and she represents a certain wing of the conservative party. it's unlikely that she's going to go quietly from political life. ., , going to go quietly from political life. ., y ., going to go quietly from political life. . , ., ., , going to go quietly from political life. ., , ., ., , life. certainly not. no, she has ambitions _ life. certainly not. no, she has ambitions to _ life. certainly not. no, she has ambitions to be _ life. certainly not. no, she has ambitions to be the _ life. certainly not. no, she has ambitions to be the next i life. certainly not. no, she has| ambitions to be the next leader life. certainly not. no, she has i ambitions to be the next leader of the conservative party. a lot of people thought that that was behind a lot of the things that she was saying, a lot of the controversial comments she made, almost goading rishi sunak into sucking her, so she could fully concentrate on her leadership ambitions. —— into sacking her. it has worked if that was the plan. we need to wait and see what she says publicly. she had no qualms about criticising the government and criticising rishi sunak. she must have almost no
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loyalty now whatsoever. she could cause quite a lot of trouble for him on the backbenches but he must have coagulated he couldn't allow her to undermine him in the way that she has, which is why she has paid the price with herjob.— price with her 'ob. let's talk about the likel price with herjob. let's talk about the likely foreign _ price with herjob. let's talk about the likely foreign secretary, i price with herjob. let's talk about the likely foreign secretary, they| the likely foreign secretary, they return, as we were discussing earlier in our conversation, of david cameron. what do you think he is going to do in that role? it is a very busy time, of course, with the ongoing israel—gaza conflict. do you think that mr cameron's previous experience as prime minister will add or change the government's perspective on how they deal with this? ., , perspective on how they deal with this? . , , , . this? certainly, his experience will be invaluable. _ this? certainly, his experience will be invaluable. it _ this? certainly, his experience will be invaluable. it is _ this? certainly, his experience will be invaluable. it is a _ this? certainly, his experience will be invaluable. it is a particular i be invaluable. it is a particular tumultuous time globally, as we know. he was prime ministerforfive years. in that time, he built up quite a lot of foreign policy experience. that being said, obviously, i have already had tax from people saying he was responsible for the biggest foreign
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policy crisis to hit the uk since the suez crisis. that being brexit, of course. there was the syria vote, which he famously lost, as well, and then the intervention in libya didn't turn out as david cameron had planned. certainly, a mixed record, if you are being kind, on foreign policy in terms of his premiership. i guess rishi sunak will be relying on his experience of government, how government works, how the foreign office works, to represent the uk on the global stage. it will certainly be a gamble and it will certainly be presented by a lot of voters —— resented by a lot of voters who will never forget brexit and a lot of conservative mps who are not great fans of him either.— fans of him either. kevin schofield, for the moment, _ fans of him either. kevin schofield, for the moment, thank _ fans of him either. kevin schofield, for the moment, thank you - fans of him either. kevin schofield, for the moment, thank you very i fans of him either. kevin schofield, i for the moment, thank you very much for the moment, thank you very much forjoining us. of course, you are watching us on bbc news live from downing street. it has been a really busy morning in british politics
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here. the prime minister, rishi sunak, sacked his home secretary, suella braverman, earlier this morning. it was not a surprise. he has now replaced her with james cleverly, who was the former foreign secretary. a bit of political musical chairs. we saw the new home secretary, james cleverly, depart the black door behind me at downing street not too long ago. the real story that people are, i guess, pretty surprised by it was the arrival of former british prime minister, david cameron, who walked up the street here early this morning. it is widely thought that he will now replace james cleverly as the new foreign secretary. we are all bracing ourselves for him to leave the door behind us and announce that he is the new foreign but not yet confirmed. of course, it all comes after prime minister rishi sunak sacked suella braverman. she's
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not taking another roll up in government or cabinet, she has left —— another role. i am joined by political correspondent ione wells to discuss this. we keep bracing ourselves for that door to open at the last time it moved we saw larry the last time it moved we saw larry the cat. it the last time it moved we saw larry the cat. ., , �* the last time it moved we saw larry the cat. . , ~ ., , ., ., ., the cat. it was! a false alarm! i am told that potentially _ the cat. it was! a false alarm! i am told that potentially in _ the cat. it was! a false alarm! i am told that potentially in the next i told that potentially in the next minute or so we are expected david cameron to leave downing street any moment now. much expected that he will leave as a new foreign secretary. we have seenjames cleverly walked out, presumably on his way to the home office after having just been appointed home secretary. this appointment by david cameron, as we discussed earlier, very unexpected by many in westminster to have a former prime minister reappointed to foreign secretary at such a crucial time for the brief. earlier we saw the head of the foreign office sir philip barton go into downing street as well, presumably to meet his
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