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ms braverman stayed, popular with the right of the party but there were increasing concerns about her choice of language. the wind of change that carried my own parents across the globe in the 20th century was a mere gust compared to the hurricane that is coming. she clashed with the metropolitan police commissioner, sir mark rowley, over pro—palestine protests in london and caused a backlash when she said sleeping rough in tents was sometimes a lifestyle choice. suella fernandes. it was in 2015 that ms braverman, then suella fernandes first entered the commons. a brexiteer, she quit as brexit minister over concerns about theresa may's version of the withdrawal agreement. but laterjoined the cabinet is borisjohnson�*s attorney general. and in 2021, she became the first cabinet minister to take maternity leave after a change in the law
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was rushed through to allow it. she never hid her ambition, though, for the topjob. asked if she would run for leader here before her boss had actually resigned. i'll be straight with you, robert, yes, iwill. in the resulting contest, she came sixth, but suspicions swirled that her punchy style was, in part, but setting the ground for another run. it's the guardian reading, tofu—eating, wokerati, dare i say, anti—growth coalition that we have to thank for the disruption that we are seeing on our roads today. for now, suella braverman will return to the backbenches. it seems unlikely, though, that she'll do it quietly. helen catt, bbc news, westminster. helen catt reporting. i have been looking at our live page and our political editor chris mason has been sharing his thoughts on this morning in westminster. he says as
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moments go in politics —— as corr blimey moments go. he says it is not unprecedented for the foreign secretary to be someone in the house of lords. but the return of a former prime minister to the cabinet table have, and i quote chris in his inimitable style, wowzers value to it". someone who covered david cameron while he was prime minister, i did not expect to see him back in downing street this morning taking up downing street this morning taking up one of the great offices of state. it has been quite a morning and it all began, as we have been reporting, after suella braverman was sacked this morning by rishi sunak. it had been widely tipped that she was going to be sacked and then the real surprise came when david cameron walked up the street this morning. i don't think many people saw that coming, political correspondence or editors. then we
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got news that the foreign secretary james cleverly would be moved to the home office. and then finally the confirmation that in the musical chairs that always comes in a cabinet reshuffle that david cameron was been appointed to the house of lords and was going to become our new foreign secretary. it wasn't too long ago we saw him make that very shortjourney to number ten across to the foreign office, which is only maybe 15, 20 metres across the road. it is an office mr cameron was no stranger to come he was prime minister and he takes up the job of foreign secretary at a very interesting and tricky time while there are a lot of issues that are pressing, most notably, of course, the israel—gaza war. to discuss this in more detail i am joined by ione wells, our political correspondent. chris's way of words, wowzers. how
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would you describe this morning, ione. would you describe this morning, lone. ., . , would you describe this morning, ione. ., ., , , . ., ione. totally unexpected how everyone _ ione. totally unexpected how everyone is — ione. totally unexpected how everyone is feeling _ ione. totally unexpected how everyone is feeling about - ione. totally unexpected how everyone is feeling about this appointment. i don't think anyone was expecting a return to front line politics any time soon for david cameron. he wasn't even sitting in the house of lords until this morning and this new appointment. totally unprecedented, as chris has said, a sort of wowzers moment. former health secretary matt hancock, of course, no longer a conservative mp but did sort of serve in cabinet previously called this a brilliant decision by the pm to make david cameron foreign secretary. superb for the uk bringing his experience to guide us through difficult times. one of the big questions for rishi sunak is why now and why bring back somebody like david cameron at this moment? one of the bigger tag lines from the opposition parties today has been that if rishi sunak is serious about representing change, why bring back
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somebody who was himself not only prime minister, resident here in downing street when he was prime ministerfrom downing street when he was prime minister from 2010. downing street when he was prime ministerfrom 2010. i downing street when he was prime minister from 2010.— downing street when he was prime minister from 2010. i have been told b m minister from 2010. i have been told by my team — minister from 2010. i have been told by my team i — minister from 2010. i have been told by my team i have — minister from 2010. i have been told by my team i have called _ minister from 2010. i have been told by my team i have called you - minister from 2010. i have been told by my team i have called you ione i by my team i have called you ione catt. ~ ., by my team i have called you ione catt. . ., , by my team i have called you ione catt. ~ ., , ., , ., by my team i have called you ione catt. .,, _ catt. we have seen lots of larry the cat. he catt. we have seen lots of larry the cat- he knows _ catt. we have seen lots of larry the cat. he knows more _ catt. we have seen lots of larry the cat. he knows more than _ catt. we have seen lots of larry the cat. he knows more than we - catt. we have seen lots of larry the cat. he knows more than we do! - catt. we have seen lots of larry the | cat. he knows more than we do! we don't call out _ cat. he knows more than we do! we don't call out a _ cat. he knows more than we do! we don't call out a former— cat. he knows more than we do! we don't call out a former prime - don't call out a former prime minister who has effectively gone into political retirement back into prominence without having a plan. that's right. we will be keen to see in the coming days, what is his plan, is at something he has discussed with the rishi sunak? and is it something that they are completely united on? this is a huge brief and we know that david cameron will now be responsible for the uk's response to the crisis in the middle east, to ukraine, as well. big questions at a very difficult time. quite an unsettling time, as well, potentially for some to change
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leadership at that moment. it must show that he has some sort of serious vision in mind or change of direction in mind because normally at times of crisis, people tend to sort of keep the same figures in position to keep an element of stability unless that figure has done something wrong. lilly, when it came to suella braverman, the home office is a big brief and one where lots of big policy areas have been in the spotlight at the moment, where the protests are policed and the government's plan to send asylum seekers to rwanda. from some of her allies, there was nervousness about moving a home secretary at that time. however, in her case, she had clearly not toed the line on various occasions. to that extent, she had done something wrong, not necessarily followed what rishi sunak wanted her to do when it came to her stance and tone around certain issues. a more obvious reason potentially be sacked. interesting forjames cleverly about whether this would be a move that he
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was expecting or that he wanted. and for how long was david cameron lined up for how long was david cameron lined up to potentially replace him? home up to potentially replace him? ione we 'ust not up to potentially replace him? ione wejust got a _ up to potentially replace him? ione we just got a full— up to potentially replace him? lone we just got a full statement from lord cameron, as he is now. he has said he wanted to deliver the security and prosperity in our country needs and to be part of the strongest possible team that serves the united kingdom. and that can be presented to the country when the general election is held. he goes on to say, "i believe in public service, that's what motivated me to get involved in politics in the 19805, get involved in politics in the 1980s, to work in government in the 19905, 1980s, to work in government in the 1990s, become a member of parliament in the 2000and put myself forward party leader, and prime minister". quite a long statement but i will continue. "the foreign office, the uk's diplomats and diplomats and spies and aid capabilities, some of the finest assets of their kind anywhere in the world. i know from my time in office that they are
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staffed by brilliant, patriotic, and hard—working people and they have been well led by james cleverly, with whom i look forward to working in his vital new role. it will be an honour to serve our country." something which struck me, david cameron will also be a foreign secretary going around the world, trying to secure trade deals in a post—brexit world. as a prime minister who campaigned against that. , , ._ minister who campaigned against that. , , , that. yes, this may well cause consternation _ that. yes, this may well cause consternation within _ that. yes, this may well cause consternation within the - that. yes, this may well cause consternation within the tory. that. yes, this may well cause - consternation within the tory party. david cameron famously was campaigning for remain. he was strongly of the remain camp and resigned as a result of losing the referendum that he wanted remain to win that he was supporting remain. certainly, recently, the cabinet has been made up of a mix of some remainers and some brexiteers. but in the great offices of state, suella braverman has gone, one of the leading brexiteers and james cleverly, a brexiteer now gone from
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foreign secretary to the home office. it is interesting. many remember that referendum as his legacy, as they think that he left because of and his final kind of big political moment. how much that will define him going forward and, as you say, on an international stage, will be fascinating to watch. fine say, on an international stage, will be fascinating to watch.— say, on an international stage, will be fascinating to watch. one of the olitical be fascinating to watch. one of the political carbonation _ be fascinating to watch. one of the political carbonation is _ be fascinating to watch. one of the political carbonation is the - be fascinating to watch. one of the political carbonation is the prime i political carbonation is the prime minister must have made is the fact that on the international stage, i have been a correspondent for a long time before i came back, david cameron is well known.- time before i came back, david cameron is well known. that's right. clearl not cameron is well known. that's right. clearly not just _ cameron is well known. that's right. clearly notjust because _ cameron is well known. that's right. clearly notjust because of, - cameron is well known. that's right. clearly notjust because of, as - cameron is well known. that's right. clearly notjust because of, as you i clearly notjust because of, as you say, the referendum as a former prime minister he travelled the world and he was well known internationally. that may give him a leg up in a sense because often when people first get the role the foreign secretary, it is such a big brief to take on, it involves almost weekly trips around the world, meeting fellow foreign ministers, leaders of foreign countries, to kind of talk about whether it is diplomatic issues that are ongoing at the time, shared interests, trade, as you say. at the moment, of
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course, a lot of diplomatic conversations are centring around the conflict in the middle east, how to get hostages are released from gaza, but also how to kind of, well, stop the fighting going on between hamas and the idf. all these big questions, which david cameron will now be central to. i'm sure likely that he will be hopping on a plane pretty shortly to meet some of his counterpart in the region. for pretty shortly to meet some of his counterpart in the region.- counterpart in the region. for the oliticall counterpart in the region. for the politically eagle _ counterpart in the region. for the politically eagle eyed _ counterpart in the region. for the politically eagle eyed who - politically eagle eyed who are watching, they may remember that we saw therese coffey go in not too long ago and she hasn't come out yet, what's going on?— long ago and she hasn't come out yet, what's going on? that's right, she hasn't. — yet, what's going on? that's right, she hasn't, which _ yet, what's going on? that's right, she hasn't, which is— yet, what's going on? that's right, she hasn't, which is interesting - she hasn't, which is interesting because she has been brought in for a conversation. as we discussed earlier, the fact that she was brought in round the front, walked up brought in round the front, walked up the street, even stopped to have a little stroke of larry the cat suggests she is not here to be outright sacked. normally, if somebody is going to just be sacked or removed from cabinet completely, that happens in parliament in a
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slightly more discreet manner. the fact that she is in there suggests there may well be a conversation going on about another role for her. she is currently secretary of state for the environment and rural affairs. this will be quite an important brief for the next election and particularly in a lot of rural seats where there has been lots of political issues recently are rising, whether it be around sewage in rivers and seas, the quality of the environment more generally, recently the banning of the xl bully dog, all these big issues that have been part of her brief in recent months. interesting to know what may be taking so long, why she might be in there and what discussions are under way. if she is appointed to a different role, that mean someone would need to replace her. thisjigsaw mean someone would need to replace her. this jigsaw keeps on growing and pieces change and move around. certainly, not necessarily expected for this to happen at once. it could be that some appointments being made this morning, big headline grabbing ones and some of thejunior shuffles may have taken place —— may take
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place later today or in the coming days. nick gibb, the schools minister, speaking of the foreign office movement, he said he has been in conversations about a diplomatic role, potentially ambassador role overseas. if that is the case, he said he will stand down as schools minister, that leaves a vacancy and could that be something that rishi sunak is discussing with therese coffey? we don't know. someone will need to replace him if therese coffey moves, someone will need to replace her. in coffey moves, someone will need to replace her-— replace her. in terms of reshuffles in scale, replace her. in terms of reshuffles in scale. what _ replace her. in terms of reshuffles in scale, what is _ replace her. in terms of reshuffles in scale, what is this? _ replace her. in terms of reshuffles in scale, what is this? we - replace her. in terms of reshuffles in scale, what is this? we don't i in scale, what is this? we don't know. usually _ in scale, what is this? we don't know. usually what _ in scale, what is this? we don't know. usually what happens i in scale, what is this? we don't know. usually what happens is| in scale, what is this? we don't - know. usually what happens is these big roles are put in place first. and then some of the more junior ministerial reshuffles happen. this is already one of the most significant ones we have seen the changes to home and foreign, two of the biggest roles in government. it is by no means small fry. this is a really big one. what is less clear
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is whether this is the final reshuffle in rishi sunak�*s eyes. he could put in place other positions this week and perhaps that would be it or he might want to call a further reshuffle closer to any potential election date next year. there has been lots of speculation about the other great office of state, the chancellor. i about the other great office of state, the chancellor.- about the other great office of state, the chancellor. i think we heard that _ state, the chancellor. i think we heard that jeremy _ state, the chancellor. i think we heard that jeremy hunt - state, the chancellor. i think we heard that jeremy hunt will - state, the chancellor. i think we | heard that jeremy hunt will stay. heard thatjeremy hunt will stay. that's right. we heard he will stay in that role and he has the autumn statement coming up where he will lay out some of the government two spending plans. going forward. spending and tax bands. he is expected to stay in the role but there have been mutterings among lots of tory mps about whether there had been enough excitement coming out of the treasury. while his position is safe for now, there are still questions over whether he will still questions over whether he will still be chancellor at the next election. ., . , , election. ok, ione wells, stay with us, and election. ok, ione wells, stay with us. and we — election. ok, ione wells, stay with us, and we will _ election. ok, ione wells, stay with us, and we will keep _ election. ok, ione wells, stay with us, and we will keep watching - election. ok, ione wells, stay with us, and we will keep watching that| us, and we will keep watching that door. forthe
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us, and we will keep watching that door. for the moment, we can speak to a former home office special adviser. thanks forjoining us on the bbc. what do you make of this morning's movements? this the bbc. what do you make of this morning's movements?— the bbc. what do you make of this morning's movements? this has not been the start _ morning's movements? this has not been the start of— morning's movements? this has not been the start of a _ morning's movements? this has not been the start of a monday - morning's movements? this has not been the start of a monday morning| been the start of a monday morning any of us expected! we thought the reshuffle was going to come today and i don't think many of us thought it would be for —— me before 9am. it is a significant start with suella braverman being the top casualty of the day. and also that reintroduction of david cameron back into the government. this is signs of a pretty major reshuffle. before, we have only seen something that tinkered around the edges. this is a big shake—up of the top team around the prime minister heading towards another general election. what the prime minister heading towards another general election.— another general election. what do ou think another general election. what do you think the _ another general election. what do you think the mood _ another general election. what do you think the mood is _ another general election. what do you think the mood is likely - another general election. what do you think the mood is likely to - another general election. what do you think the mood is likely to be | you think the mood is likely to be in the home office right now? it’s in the home office right now? it's alwa s in the home office right now? it�*s always difficult when you lose a
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minister or a home secretary. the department has to get used to the new person coming in. james cleverly is actually a very good person to have in the home office. he is a conservatory person with the members of the party on the back —— conciliar tory person. this is sensible. quite interesting to see if other positions are going to be reshuffles. throughout the day, we will see whetherjunior positions are going to come up or not on offer and what shape the team will be in at the end of the day. he is a sensible person to head up the home office. ., ., office. remind me, claire, who did ou office. remind me, claire, who did you advise — office. remind me, claire, who did you advise at _ office. remind me, claire, who did you advise at the _ office. remind me, claire, who did you advise at the home _ office. remind me, claire, who did you advise at the home office? - office. remind me, claire, who did you advise at the home office? i i office. remind me, claire, who did i you advise at the home office? i was the adviser to — you advise at the home office? i was the adviser to caroline _ you advise at the home office? i —" the adviser to caroline nokes, the minister for immigration under amber rudd and sajid javid, who were home secretaries during my time. theresa may was prime minister. it was a very different world back then. b, very different world back then. a very different world back then. a very different world back then. a very different world. what do you
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think may change going from suella braverman who courted a lot of headlines who courted a lot of controversy versus james cleverly. it will be a very different tone. it feels the party is moving more to a centrist position. we will see fewer inflammatory statements coming from james cleverly. he has done a good job as foreign secretary. he understands the diplomatic tones you need to take on the world stage. this will be very interesting, especially when we look at the rwanda decision, which will come through from the courts this week. and then what the government will do with that information, whichever way it goes, and how they will tackle especially my great crisis that we have. and the bigger interests around policing and the manner in which the police are dealing with protests, which are going to be ongoing. he has a very big job. it's
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not easy but i think his tone is going to be, as i say, much more conciliatory than we had previously seen. �* conciliatory than we had previously seen. ~ ., conciliatory than we had previously seen. �* ., ., conciliatory than we had previously seen. ~ ., ., , ., seen. and one of the triggers for the sacking _ seen. and one of the triggers for the sacking this _ seen. and one of the triggers for the sacking this morning - seen. and one of the triggers for the sacking this morning was - seen. and one of the triggers for i the sacking this morning was suella braverman's article in the times newspaper, which openly criticised london's metropolitan police. as someone who has been inside the home office, what did you think of that article? do you think it overstepped the mark? it article? do you think it overstepped the mark? ., , article? do you think it overstepped the mark? . , ., , article? do you think it overstepped the mark? . , . , ., , the mark? it was ill-advised. it was cuite riaht the mark? it was ill-advised. it was quite right to _ the mark? it was ill-advised. it was quite right to question _ the mark? it was ill-advised. it was quite right to question the - the mark? it was ill-advised. it was quite right to question the police i quite right to question the police on how manage they protesters and protests, because we have seen the behaviour from the police protests, because we have seen the behaviourfrom the police is not being the greatest, they have let themselves down on a number of occasions, one of them being the sarah everard protest, where women were treated appallingly. i think it is right to question how they deal with peace protests and marches but i don't think it's right to have put that information out into a national newspaper. that is something that
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you need to discuss with the chief of police and the prime minister separately and you hold the police to account. bringing it out into the open, especially if it hasn't been cleared in full by number ten was a really bad move.— really bad move. before we let you to, really bad move. before we let you no, claire really bad move. before we let you go. claire. — really bad move. before we let you go. claire. if— really bad move. before we let you go. claire. ifyou— really bad move. before we let you go, claire, if you were _ really bad move. before we let you go, claire, if you were in _ really bad move. before we let you go, claire, if you were in the - really bad move. before we let youj go, claire, if you were in the home office right now sitting across the table from james cleverly, what would you be advising him? i would be advisin: would you be advising him? i would be advising him _ would you be advising him? i would be advising him to _ would you be advising him? i would be advising him to hopefully - would you be advising him? i would be advising him to hopefully have i be advising him to hopefully have some good people around him, some special advisers who are pretty sensible and pretty robust. it is a very difficult department but it is one of the most rewarding departments i think you can work in. he needs to get a grip on immigration and look sensibly at what you do across the globe to make that happen. what you do across the globe to make that happen-— that happen. claire, is that your itch to that happen. claire, is that your pitch to go _ that happen. claire, is that your pitch to go back— that happen. claire, is that your pitch to go back to _ that happen. claire, is that your pitch to go back to the - that happen. claire, is that your pitch to go back to the home i that happen. claire, is that your- pitch to go back to the home office? maybe he listening. laughter i don't think... it would be a pleasure... i don't think... it would be a pleasure- - -_ i don't think... it would be a
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pleasure- - -— i don't think... it would be a pleasure... claire 's available if ou are pleasure... claire 's available if you are watching. _ pleasure... claire 's available if you are watching. claire - pleasure... claire 's available if i you are watching. claire pearsall, former special adviser at the home office, thank you forjoining us. the main news here this morning is that david cameron, lord cameron, now, has returned to one of the great offices of state, he is now foreign secretary. quite a surprise that the former british prime minister who had a relatively back seatin minister who had a relatively back seat in british political life since he left office, is now in the foreign office. we saw him depart the black door behind me. once upon a time, it was his home, he made a short walkjust across a time, it was his home, he made a short walk just across the street to the foreign office, which isjust behind here, it isn't far. he has a very big in tray with the ongoing conflict between israel and hamas being one of the main concerns. i am nowjoined byjames landale, our diplomatic correspondent and, of course, a former political correspondent, like myself. james, i was surprised to see david cameron walk up here this morning, i'm sure you were too?—
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you were too? yes, i was surprised but not entirely. _ you were too? yes, i was surprised but not entirely. david _ you were too? yes, i was surprised but not entirely. david cameron - you were too? yes, i was surprised but not entirely. david cameron is| but not entirely. david cameron is somebody who has neverfound but not entirely. david cameron is somebody who has never found what i call a natural role. as a former prime minister he has been doing different things but there has been no major role that has taken up all of his time. within his circle, there has a ways been the discussion about whether or not there is another big job in him or not. that has now emerged as foreign secretary. i think it's really interesting, there are clearly risks involved in his appointment but also potential benefits. the risks are fairly obvious. as a former prime minister, he comes with a huge amount of baggage and will now present a political target for labour. they are already criticising his appointment, saying that david lammy, his new opposite number, saying he was a disastrous prime minister and now he is an unelected failure, who mps will not be able to call to account because he will be sitting in the house of lords. his foreign policy record, he is the man who held the referendum that led to
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britain leaving the european union and he held the vote on whether or not to launch missile attacks against syrian targets during the conflict in syria, a vote he lost in parliament. he is also the man that took british forces, and others, into military engagement in libya. initially to protect lives in benghazi but triggering in the process the conflict that led to, basically, the break—up of libya as an entire integral state. those are the risks and the potential downsides. the upside is that i think he is a known commodity within the international system. people know who he is and know him as a former prime minister and many would see him as somebody they could do business with, a professional. therefore, he brings a certain amount of heft and experience to that role. he knows all the issues. to a certain extent, i think it allows the prime minister now, who has never been that engaged with foreign policy, it is not his
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natural comfort zone, to leave a large chunk of foreign policy to david cameron, so that he can focus on the immediate domestic politics of having to fight a general election some time probably in the next 12 months or so.— next 12 months or so. james, i put this to lone — next 12 months or so. james, i put this to ione wells, _ next 12 months or so. james, i put this to ione wells, our _ next 12 months or so. james, i put this to ione wells, our political - this to ione wells, our political correspondent and i wanted to ask you about this as well. david cameron, of course, is the prime minister that campaigned to remain in the european union, that referendum was lost. he resigned, of course. now, he is the foreign secretary that will be going around the world, trying to secure post—brexit trade deals. how tricky could that be within the party? well, look, it will be difficult within the party. there are conservative mps who oppose david cameron's position on brexit and they are conservative mps who opposed his position on china. when he was prime minister, he promoted a much closer relationship between the uk and china. that policy is now
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dead and gone. it is history. he is foreign secretary in a government that takes a different position, that takes a different position, thatis that takes a different position, that is much more cautious about engagement with china than his time. i think there will be conservative mps who will be frustrated that they fear this might lead to a softening of britain's relationship with china. we don't know that will be the case but it is entirely possible that that happens. in terms of europe, there will be some who still say david cameron is the man we blame for brexit. but remember water has gone under the bridge since then. at the moment, when i sit down with european diplomats and politicians, most of them are thinking about how can they individually but also as members of the eu, engage more closely with the uk, now that the bad blood of brexit is beginning to dissipate. you talk about the germans, they are looking about the germans, they are looking about cooperating with the uk on
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hydrogen. you have got countries in the form balkan is hoping that the uk can play a greater role in european security issues. all of those kinds of things are taking place. david cameron has relationships that he will be able to use as foreign secretary to try and move on from the post—brexit sort of you know bad blood that has begun, slowly but surely, to disseminate and weaken. simply as time passes. disseminate and weaken. simply as time passes-— disseminate and weaken. simply as time passes. there has been quite a lot of movement, _ time passes. there has been quite a lot of movement, we _ time passes. there has been quite a lot of movement, we talk _ time passes. there has been quite a lot of movement, we talk about - time passes. there has been quite a lot of movement, we talk about the | lot of movement, we talk about the number of prime ministers that have changed in the last year or so but quite a lot of movement when it comes to foreign secretaries. yeah, that is the downside. _ comes to foreign secretaries. yeah, that is the downside. david - that is the downside. david cameron is the fourth british foreign secretary in four years. he is the ninth since david cameron himself became prime minister in 2010. that is a lot of foreign secretaries of varying qualities since then. as i said, the counterpoint is that david cameron is a known commodity, he is not a minister that world leaders
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will never have heard of or have little connection with. those kinds of relationships are there. once again, more instability within britain's foreign ministerial team, which, in recent years, has been a real hindrance for the government to try and promote its policies around the world. simply because, when i talk to foreign politicians, they keep on asking and say who is they keep on asking and say who is the new minister for the middle east? the new ministerfor the americas? because there has been so much churn. one thing at least is that david cameron as a former prime minister would have spent a huge amount of his time on foreign affairs. at least he brings knowledge and some experience, even if some of that experience will be seen as some as a negative. james, very briefly, — seen as some as a negative. james, very briefly, before _ seen as some as a negative. james, very briefly, before we _ seen as some as a negative. james, very briefly, before we let _ seen as some as a negative. james, very briefly, before we let you - seen as some as a negative. james, very briefly, before we let you go, i very briefly, before we let you go, james cleverly in the past has said he was very happy in the foreign office and are very comfortable in the role. he was seen to be doing quite a good job.
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the role. he was seen to be doing quite a good job-— quite a good 'ob. james cleverly will be — quite a good job. james cleverly will be seen as _ quite a good job. james cleverly will be seen as somebody - quite a good job. james cleverly will be seen as somebody who i will be seen as somebody who stabilised britain's position in the world. and stabilised what had been a fairly turbulent and controversial few years under his predecessors, liz truss, dominic raab and boris johnson. mr cleverley was seen as somebody who, when he spoke about british policy, he reflected british policy and he was not seen as somebody who was at odds with downing street. he was somebody who was good at working rooms. that is one for historians to work out in the future. certainly, he has stabilised british foreign policy in his improved relations which had been pretty intense in years during his time in office.— his time in office. james landale, our diplomatic— his time in office. james landale, our diplomatic correspondent - his time in office. james landale, | our diplomatic correspondent and, his time in office. james landale, - our diplomatic correspondent and, of course, former political
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correspondent, thank you very much for the moment. let's go back to our political correspondent ione wells. any more reaction to this morning's appointments? the move ofjames cleverly and the much more surprise move return to government of david cameron who is now our foreign secretary?— cameron who is now our foreign secreta ? , ., ., ., secretary? there has been a lot of reaction, mixed _ secretary? there has been a lot of reaction, mixed reaction _ secretary? there has been a lot of reaction, mixed reaction so - secretary? there has been a lot of reaction, mixed reaction so far. i reaction, mixed reaction so far. some welcoming david cameron to this new role, including another former prime minister theresa may not expecting any newjob role for her but this morning anything could happen! she has certainly said she welcomed this appointment for cameron, as have some conservative mps like damian green, richard holden, tierna davidson, baroness of farsi, loophole all tweeting in recent minutes about this. lots of support for this move —— baroness warsi. some criticism too from some
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conservatives around the sacking of sowell braverman, andrea jenkyns criticising that move and lord crothers who has been previously critical of government in the past. pretty strong from a conservative peen pretty strong from a conservative peer, describing it as a coup, the coup is complete, remain has won and democracy is lost. a flavour of some backlash it causes among the right—wing of the conservative party even though if some towards the centre are pretty blues.- even though if some towards the centre are pretty blues. lone, this comes a year— centre are pretty blues. lone, this comes a year ahead, _ centre are pretty blues. lone, this comes a year ahead, less - centre are pretty blues. lone, this comes a year ahead, less than - centre are pretty blues. lone, this comes a year ahead, less than a i centre are pretty blues. lone, this i comes a year ahead, less than a year ahead of a general election. == ahead of a general election. -- centre are _ ahead of a general election. » centre are pretty please. ahead of a general election. -- centre are pretty please. howl ahead of a general election. -- i centre are pretty please. how will this affect the _ centre are pretty please. how will this affect the political _ this affect the political calculations when rishi sunak made this decision? notjust the tory mps but with the voters?— but with the voters? interesting, because david _ but with the voters? interesting, because david cameron, - but with the voters? interesting, because david cameron, as - but with the voters? interesting, because david cameron, as i - but with the voters? interesting, j because david cameron, as i was mentioning, seen as someone who has experience of winning elections but also someone who is more on the
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centre of the party potentially brought in as a unity candidate, able to bring back support from conservative voters who may have felt isolated by some of the more right wing rhetoric and policies potentially like that caused by suella braverman, the home secretary, former home secretary. there may be a political calculation. policy wise, we don't know yet what david cameron will stand for as foreign secretary. we knew what he stood for as prime minister and we knew he campaigned to remain in the brexit referendum but we don't know what his foreign policy positions will be. interestingly, i have had a look back at some of his past comments when it came to foreign policy issues. one thing that is pretty noticeable, he was very damning of the government's decision to break its commitment to spend 0.7% of national income on foreign aid. he said the decision to cut foreign aid spending led to questions like, "do we care? do we need is britain?"
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unless he is also move, he will be working with the development minister andrew mitchell, someone also who was previously very critical of cuts to foreign aid and campaign from the backbenches for the government to keep its commitment to spend 0.7% of gdp. so we now have two figures, certainly when it comes to foreign policy, development and aid that were pushing forfurther policy, development and aid that were pushing for further government spending, they were seen more on the centre of the party, but also pushing against that, a cut. now he is running this department, will those words come back to haunt him or will we see a change in policy decision? still questions we don't know until we hear a little bit more about what the agenda of david cameron is going to be. fascinating, i think we cameron is going to be. fascinating, i think we will— cameron is going to be. fascinating, i think we will shortly _ cameron is going to be. fascinating, i think we will shortly hear _ cameron is going to be. fascinating, i think we will shortly hear from - i think we will shortly hear from james cleverly. we do have it now. let's listen in because the new home secretary james cleverly has just
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