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give the impression of an to give the impression of an administration acting competently in this area. the courts of said you have tried to pursue a course of action that contravenes a variety of legal provisions. the government has pursued this policy now for about 18 months and in a sense you might want to ask why did you not admit she knew this was the position in the first place? the second problem and it depends on your interpretation of thejudgment, the government it depends on your interpretation of the judgment, the government clearly hopes it will be able to respond to thisjudgment by hopes it will be able to respond to this judgment by tweaking the deal and turning it there are those who read thejudgment and and turning it there are those who read the judgment and say it will require much more therefore there may be a? about whether anybody will get to central —— might be sent to rewind at the general election, by
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january 2025 at the latest. —— mike rwanda. but the government i think over emphasises the extent to which its electoral fortunes rest on this issue. if amongst those people who voted conservative in 2019 and you look at it separately, first of all those who believe illegal immigration has been going up and those who don't, you discover that those who believe it is going up, they are no more or
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no less likely to vote conservative now. in other words, no less likely to vote conservative now. in otherwords, it's no less likely to vote conservative now. in other words, it's not clear that amongst the many difficulties the government has faced that the issue of illegal immigration is central to those difficulties and therefore there is no real reason to believe that even if illegal immigration were to be got down, that this would improve the government's position. interesting, obviously this— government's position. interesting, obviously this has _ government's position. interesting, obviously this has been _ government's position. interesting, obviously this has been seen - government's position. interesting, obviously this has been seen as - government's position. interesting, obviously this has been seen as a i obviously this has been seen as a keyissue obviously this has been seen as a key issue for voters and you mention the labour party shouldn't see this as a significant blow for the government. just explain that. don't anticipate effect from the conservative party, certainly not to labour if they are upset about the way the government has handled the issue. if there is a concern for the government is without some of them go to the reform uk party, and those
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who feel that it is not implemented brexit harshly enough. this will not be the issue on which labour when they are election or in which the conservative prospects turnaround. it is not an issue whether the government performance and the level of illegal immigration is something that lies behind the decline and conservative fortunes in the polls. they have to improve the economy and they have had good news today with a level of inflation falling but they have got to get health waiting times
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falling. those of the things that are pushing down conservative support, not the debate about illegal immigration, heated though it becomes. live now to refugee campaigner karen doyle in london. we hear from the government at once to continue the policy turning the memorandum of understanding with rwanda into a treaty. what is your reaction? i rwanda into a treaty. what is your reaction? ., _ , reaction? i would say they will stru: ale reaction? i would say they will struggle because _ reaction? i would say they will struggle because i _ reaction? i would say they will struggle because i would - reaction? i would say they will struggle because i would say i reaction? i would say they will i struggle because i would say no reaction? i would say they will - struggle because i would say no one else would back down either, the people affected by the policy, the people affected by the policy, the people representing the people affected by the policy will not back down and in reality this is a feeling policy on every level and they will be defeated again if they
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try again. tell they will be defeated again if they t aaain. , ., ., try again. tell us what some of the reaction has _ try again. tell us what some of the reaction has been _ try again. tell us what some of the reaction has been within _ try again. tell us what some of the reaction has been within the - reaction has been within the community where you work among people who could have been affected by this policy. jufil people who could have been affected by this policy-— by this policy. just relief and happiness. _ by this policy. just relief and happiness, celebration. - by this policy. just relief and happiness, celebration. a i by this policy. just relief and - happiness, celebration. a sense that finally something has gone their way. and i think for a number of people involved in the struggle over the past it is that we have achieved this outcome. aha, the past it is that we have achieved this outcome-— the past it is that we have achieved this outcome. a sense of pride. but still in the midst _ this outcome. a sense of pride. but still in the midst of— this outcome. a sense of pride. but still in the midst of this _ this outcome. a sense of pride. but still in the midst of this the - this outcome. a sense of pride. but still in the midst of this the issue i still in the midst of this the issue of immigration is a key live political issue. the government saying it could look at changing uk laws to make this policy work. what would you like to see from the uk government and opposition parties? i
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think from the government there is nothing to be seen, they are in the desperate possession and using emigrants as a political football and criminalising the very act of seeking refuge. these are refugees sick ink to flee war and destitution and there is nowhere for them to go and there is nowhere for them to go and nowhere for the government to go no matter how hard they try to use the racist political theatre to gain votes and cause division they will not succeed. the votes and cause division they will not succeed-— votes and cause division they will not succeed. ,., , , not succeed. the government focuses not succeed. the government focuses not “ust on not succeed. the government focuses notjust on bringing _ not succeed. the government focuses notjust on bringing emigration - notjust on bringing emigration figures down but also tackling the criminal gangs that facilitate people coming to the uk illegally. do you think that is a key issue they should focus on by bringing immigration numbers down? i think the government _ immigration numbers down? i think the government should _ immigration numbers down? i think the government should focus - immigration numbers down? i think the government should focus on -
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immigration numbers down? i think the government should focus on a l the government should focus on a responsibility towards refugees around the world and i think they should focus on those human beings and living up to our commitments and our international responsibilities in that regard. instead it is just being used as a political tool to try to stay in power.— being used as a political tool to try to stay in power. thank you very much. executive editor of politico europe, anne mcelvoy said to me earlier that the supreme court ruling did not come as a surprise. in some ways i think the government must have been prepared for it. they know that when they've tangled with the courts on immigration and asylum, they've most often come off wrong. but i think if you read the ruling, and obviously we haven't had very long to go into the detail of it, it's very clear, not
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only in the phrasing that it is deemed to be illegal, the rwanda policy, and also that even if under this possible plan, a lot of conservatives have been floating, suella braverman among them to leave the european convention on human rights, that there would still be great difficulties in the law with instituting it. now, you can debate that, but i think it's come, if you like, as to punches to the government, maybe one was expected. i think we'll see. quite a fight back from ricci soon this afternoon, although he's criticised for not leaning further into the policy by the outgoing home secretary, suella braverman. he does stand by it and he has, i think, come around to the view that it's something he wants to fight on, where he thinks that a lot more of the electorate are on his side than on the side
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of the courts. and what options does he have if he wants to fight it? because as alex, our correspondent there mentioned, the government has set this as a key priority for it. so what does he do now? well, he could amend the policy. he could say there are ways to which to address some some of the shortfalls that the supreme court have raised. he could say, well, i simply don't accept the analysis that this would be illegal anyway, under echr, if you like go on a legal route against it, getting to run out of courts. i do grant you. i mean, there are two ways you can do it. one is to tangle with the law and the other is to say, well, i can make amendments and then keep it moving forward. the problem, in a way, with both of those positions is that the first one, any discussion around cabinet table and beyond in the party about derogating from leaving the convention in some form, i think he might offer a temporary some kind of temporary bridge
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has been talked about. but you say, well, i'm just going to do it before this instance. but i think the court has been fairly clear that it doesn't think that that would wash, although it says it was not the reason for its decision. its decision doesn't rest on that. so you could go into another legal entanglement or you could simply say, well, there there's a workaround here. either way, it does mean it seems to me it'sjust myjudgment. i think it's very unlikely that we get flights off the ground to rwanda before the next election, at which point that then becomes another talking point in the campaign. we in the campaign. have a live page including a report we have a live page including a report from mark easton who has been speaking to an asylum seeker who says they feel relieved and i hope the next stage will be more positive, things are going to be better. that is one of the asylum seekers involved in this case in the supreme court. now it's time for a look at the weather with ben rich. hello. for some of us, today has brought
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yet more rain, but for others, a bit of a break in the action. some clear skies. we've seen a bit of sunshine in the north of scotland. also some sunny skies further south across the uk. this lump of cloud will change that with some outbreaks of rain pushing into southern areas for tomorrow, including in west sussex, where today brought largely sunny skies overhead. some rain to take us into the first part of the evening across central and southern parts of scotland and into northern england and cloud gathering across the south west of england and the channel islands ahead of our next rain—bearing weather system. it will start to turn wet here as we head through the evening and tonight, while further north, a mix of patchy cloud and clear spells. it is going to get quite cold for some, particularly in sheltered spots in northern scotland, maybe down to around minus four celsius.
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could be some fog patches here as well to start tomorrow morning. but through tomorrow, this quite deep area of low pressure is going to pass just to the south of the uk. the potential for some strong and gusty winds, particularly around coasts of south west england and the channel islands, gusts of 50 miles per hour or more. but for most of us, i think the rain will be of more concern — if you do have travel plans across southern england, parts of wales, the midlands through the morning does look very soggy indeed and actually that rain will linger for a good part of the day. a few showers across parts of north east england and eastern scotland. otherwise, though, here, some dry weather and some sunshine. this frontal system will bring some rain into northern ireland as we head through the afternoon. rain into northern ireland and it is going to be a decidedly chilly feeling day. temperatures for most of us between six and ten degrees. now, that area of low pressure and this frontal system will tend to clear as we move into friday, high pressure building for a time. there could be some fog patches around on friday morning, particularly across northern england, northern ireland and scotland,
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some of that fog could be quite slow to clear. but then we're looking at a window of drier weather, some spells of sunshine, chilly, where any fog lingers, but starting to turn a little bit milder down towards the south west. but then we head into the weekend, a low pressure takes charge of our weather. once again, we'll see outbreaks of rain pushing eastwards into the first part of saturday. and behind that, frequent showers or longer spells of rain to take us through into the second half of the weekend. it will often be windy, but it is going to feel a bit milder.
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the uk supreme court rules the government's flagship plan to send asylum seekers to rwanda is unlawful. the israeli army is carrying out a raid in part of gaza's largest hospital — al shifa. it accuses hamas of using the site to conceal a command centre. israel has caused it's a precise attack. they say they have complete control of the hospital. and fears continue to mount of a possible volcanic eruption in southern iceland. hello, welcome to bbc news now, three hours of fast—moving news, interviews and reaction. here in the uk, there have been dramatic political developments with the country's supreme court ruling that the government's policy of sending asylum seekers to rwanda is unlawful. in a significant blow to prime minister rishi sunak,
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