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today we are going to take you to the scottish parliament. scotland's health secretary michael matheson is about to make a personal statement to the scottish parliament amid a controversy over his holiday ipad usage. mr matheson is paying back almost £11,000 run up on his parliamentary ipad, while on a new year holiday in morocco. mr matheson has said the data was used in connection details published by the scottish parliament show he used six gigabytes of data on his week—long holiday — enough to stream netflix for 2h hours. 0ur reporter thomas brada has the background on this story.
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last christmas, scotland's health secretary michael matheson went on a week—long holiday to morocco. he brought along his ipad, which was issued by parliament, and while he was there he racked up a data roaming bill of almost £11,000. this is a breakdown of his ee usage, which was released by parliament, and it shows that he used more than six gigabytes of data while on that trip. he assured staff that the ipad was being used for parliamentary business, and of that business the parliament said that they would cover the bill, but that £3,000 should come out of the expenses budget from mr matheson�*s office. it then transpired that the sim card in the ipad should have been updated a year earlier, and that mr matheson had been made aware of that information by e—mail. so, on that basis, he has since agreed to pay the bill in full, but there are still questions about how exactly he managed to use such a huge amount of data. the opposition scottish conservatives have pointed out that on the same day,
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january 2nd, that he racked up a bill of almost £7,000, there was a football match going on between rangers and celtic. the scottish first minister humza yousaf has said that he has complete confidence in his health secretary, but the opposition likely won't stop asking questions until they are satisfied with mr matheson�*s answers. during first minister's questions earlier today first minister humza yousaf was grilled on matheson�*s ipad usage. this is what he had to say. it is clear that there is more that has been discovered in relation to the ipad and the expense. michael matheson will make that clear in a statement later on this afternoon. of course, i do have absolute of course, i do have absolute confidence in michael matheson as a
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cabinet secretary for health. in the same session opposition leader — the scottish conservatives douglas ross — challenged the first minister on the issue. it was not upon discovering something, he claimed this. he claimed £11,000 from the taxpayer. and oh i have asked from humza yousaf is, does he still agree, as he did last week, this was a legitimate expense? yes or no? does he agree that that £11,000, that costs run up purely on pulmonary business? yes or no? i have tried that three times and three times i have not had an answer and the fact is, the first minister should have immediately lodged an investigation into this matter. he should have demanded that michael matheson had with the device to be examined. instead, he is the last person in scotland still believing his health secretary's ridiculous claim. now, if the story changes to be about
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family or personal usage, that still will not cut it because it will nearly be a year after the claim and a week into this scandal. the evidence shows that michael matheson claimed £11,000 of taxpayer money when he knew it was not for parliamentary work. it was notjust a mistake, it was dishonest. so we'll humza yousaf do the right thing and sack michael matheson or wait for his resignation? live now to our political correspondent david wallace lockhart, who is in holyrood. we arejust we are just watching what will happen before michael matheson speaks up so we will have to interrupt you but while we wait for him to stand up, take us through the background to this. this him to stand up, take us through the background to this.— background to this. this all starts with a week-long _ background to this. this all starts with a week-long holiday - background to this. this all starts with a week-long holiday in - background to this. this all starts i with a week-long holiday in morocco with a week—long holiday in morocco last christmas that michael matheson took with his family and he came
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back with quite an unwelcome souvenir, and £11,000 bill for data roaming on his ipad. for a long time, this went unnoticed. there was an agreement that parliament would cover a big chunk of the bill, his parliamentary expenses which cover £3000 but fundamentally, the taxpayer paying it all and it is only when the expenses came out that journalists are picked up on this after michael matheson saying it had been for parliamentary purposes, constituency work while on holiday, it then emerged that should have been a seven card changed over. he put his hands up and said, i will cover this bill personally. the pressure did not go away because opposition parties did not see how he could have racked up £11,000 doing constituency work. i am going to enter due. _ doing constituency work. i am going to enter due, that _ doing constituency work. i am going to enter due, that is _ doing constituency work. i am going to enter due, that is go _ doing constituency work. i am going to enter due, that is go straight - doing constituency work. i am going to enter due, that is go straight to l to enter due, that is go straight to the parliament and michael matheson. i want to address the significant level of interest in the data roaming charges associated with my
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parliamentary ipad during a family holiday in morocco between the 27th of december and the 3rd of january this year. firstly, i want to apologise to the chamber for the cost of the roaming charges. as i set out in my public statement on friday, i accept that the charges have come about as a result of not updating the sim card in my ipad to the new contract provider. i also recognise that i should have informed parliament it of my holiday plans in advance of travelling and that i would be taking to devices. that was my responsibility and i accept it in full. i therefore think it is important to set out to the chamber all of the facts of what happened and in particular, exactly how the charges came about. i travelled to morocco with my family, wife and two teenage boys on the 27th of december. the first day of
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the holiday, the 28th of december, i contacted the parliament's it department, told them that i was out of the country and that my parliamentary phone was not working but that my ipad was working. in the course of two phone calls, after initial effort to get the phone working, parliament's it department advised that they had checked with the network operator who explained that my data package was suitable for use in morocco. they also advised that i should try to remove and replace seven card from my phone as a problem, may be a fault with the sim card. nothing in those discussions lead me to believe that there was any risk in using my ipad while in morocco. i want to be clear with colleagues that i did not knowingly run up the roaming charges
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bill. quite the reverse. i checked what i should do before i used my ipad. my mistake and ifully what i should do before i used my ipad. my mistake and i fully accept this. ishould have ipad. my mistake and i fully accept this. i should have sorted this all out long before i went to morocco. in january out long before i went to morocco. injanuary this out long before i went to morocco. in january this year, out long before i went to morocco. injanuary this year, i was informed of the high data charges accrued to my ipad. 0f of the high data charges accrued to my ipad. of course, i cleared the charges and parliament confirmed they had contacted the provider for more information. at this time, i handed my ipad over to the parliament for it to be checked. it is important to be clear that throughout this time, i was not clear what had caused the high charges. i have not used the ipad for any parliamentary business and could not understand how the costs could not understand how the costs could be so high. parliament
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confirmed the network provider was unable to give further details of what led to the charges. in the absence of a clear explanation of how such a large bill could have happened, i thought it appropriate to make a contribution through office allowances of £3000 towards the cost. following the publication of my expenses last week, there was significant media coverage of the charges. it is at this point, last thursday night, when i returned home, that i was made aware by my wife that other members of our family had made use of the ipad data. this was the first i knew that the data had been used by anyone else. i previously checked this but the truth only emerged after the story was in the news. i should have
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pressed harder, perhaps i should have been less willing to believe what i had been told. i need to be very clear with you and colleagues today. the responsibility for the ipad is mine. responsible for the data usage is mine. that is why my wife and i made the immediate decision to reimburse the parliament for the full cost. i contacted parliamentary authorities next day... i contacted parliamentary authorities next day to make clear arrangements to reimburse the full cost of the roaming charges and issue a personal statement to explain the decision. in my statement, issued last friday, i made no reference to the use of data by my family. as a parent, i wanted
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to protect my family from being part of the political and media scrutiny associated with this, something i believe any parent would want to do. i am a father first and foremost. i can see now that it is just not possible to explain the data usage without explaining their role. the simple truth is, they were watching football matches. 0n simple truth is, they were watching football matches. on tuesday, i told the first minister that members of my family had made use of the ipad data and yesterday evening i provided him with a full account of the matter and of my intention to inform parliament. disclosing this information about my family has been extremely difficult. mistakes have
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been made by me and by my family. mystics have been made in the way in which i have handled this. i should have sorted the sim card, i should have sorted the sim card, i should have investigated what happened more thoroughly. i accept that, take responsible at a and i apologise unreservedly. that is why the costs have now been fully reimbursed to parliament. that is why i have today asked, i have referred myself to the scottish parliament corporate body so they can consider whether to investigate the matter further to address any remaining questions to this parliament's the satisfaction. i take very seriously the reputation of the scottish parliament, of which i have always striven to be a diligent member since its restoration in 1990. my wish is that i can now focus fully on the vital duties that i have as msp and as
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health secretary. i want members to accept my explanation, myself referral under the code of conduct, and my unreserved apology. thank ou. and my unreserved apology. thank yom given — and my unreserved apology. thank yon given the _ and my unreserved apology. thank you. given the decision _ and my unreserved apology. thank you. given the decision of - and my unreserved apology. thank you. given the decision of the - you. given the decision of the parliament to suspend rule 13.1.4, i will allow_ parliament to suspend rule 13.1.4, i will allow a — parliament to suspend rule 13.1.4, i will allow a period of around ten minules— will allow a period of around ten minutes for questions and i would be grateful— minutes for questions and i would be grateful if— minutes for questions and i would be grateful if any members who wish to put a _ grateful if any members who wish to put a question would push their buttons— put a question would push their buttons now. | put a question would push their buttons nova— buttons now. i am grateful to michael matheson _ buttons now. i am grateful to michael matheson for - buttons now. i am grateful to michael matheson for the - buttons now. i am grateful to - michael matheson for the personal statement — michael matheson for the personal statement he _ michael matheson for the personal statement he has _ michael matheson for the personal statement he has provided - michael matheson for the personal statement he has provided and - michael matheson for the personal statement he has provided and i. michael matheson for the personal. statement he has provided and i can fully see _ statement he has provided and i can fully see the — statement he has provided and i can fully see the difficulty— statement he has provided and i can fully see the difficulty it _ statement he has provided and i can fully see the difficulty it has - fully see the difficulty it has caused _ fully see the difficulty it has caused him _ fully see the difficulty it has caused him. however, - fully see the difficulty it has - caused him. however, questions remain — caused him. however, questions remain during— caused him. however, questions remain. during that _ caused him. however, questions remain. during that statement, i remain. during that statement, michael— remain. during that statement, michael matheson _ remain. during that statement, michael matheson said - remain. during that statement, michael matheson said he - remain. during that statement, | michael matheson said he could remain. during that statement, - michael matheson said he could not understand — michael matheson said he could not understand how— michael matheson said he could not understand how he _ michael matheson said he could not understand how he had _ michael matheson said he could not understand how he had racked - michael matheson said he could not understand how he had racked up . michael matheson said he could not| understand how he had racked up so much _ understand how he had racked up so much data _ understand how he had racked up so much data roaming _ understand how he had racked up so much data roaming charges. - understand how he had racked up so much data roaming charges. he - understand how he had racked up sol much data roaming charges. he went on to— much data roaming charges. he went on to say— much data roaming charges. he went on to say he — much data roaming charges. he went
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on to say he could _ much data roaming charges. he went on to say he could not _ much data roaming charges. he went on to say he could not explain - much data roaming charges. he went on to say he could not explain the - on to say he could not explain the data usage — on to say he could not explain the data usage but _ on to say he could not explain the data usage. but of— on to say he could not explain the data usage. but of course - on to say he could not explain the data usage. but of course he - on to say he could not explain the data usage. but of course he did i data usage. but of course he did explain — data usage. but of course he did explain the _ data usage. but of course he did explain the data _ data usage. but of course he did explain the data usage. - data usage. but of course he did explain the data usage. he - data usage. but of course he did explain the data usage. he toldl data usage. but of course he did . explain the data usage. he told this parliament— explain the data usage. he told this parliament when— explain the data usage. he told this parliament when he _ explain the data usage. he told this parliament when he claimed - explain the data usage. he told this parliament when he claimed for- parliament when he claimed for expenses. — parliament when he claimed for expenses. but— parliament when he claimed for expenses, but it _ parliament when he claimed for expenses, but it was _ parliament when he claimed for expenses, but it was a - parliament when he claimed for. expenses, but it was a legitimate expense — expenses, but it was a legitimate expense he _ expenses, but it was a legitimate expense. he promised _ expenses, but it was a legitimatel expense. he promised parliament expenses, but it was a legitimate . expense. he promised parliament it was a _ expense. he promised parliament it was a legitimate _ expense. he promised parliament it was a legitimate expense. - expense. he promised parliament it was a legitimate expense. he - expense. he promised parliament it was a legitimate expense. he gavel was a legitimate expense. he gave this parliament _ was a legitimate expense. he gave this parliament written _ was a legitimate expense. he gave this parliament written assurances| this parliament written assurances that it _ this parliament written assurances that it was — this parliament written assurances that it was a — this parliament written assurances that it was a legitimate _ this parliament written assurances that it was a legitimate expense. i this parliament written assurances| that it was a legitimate expense. if it has— that it was a legitimate expense. if it has now— that it was a legitimate expense. if it has now transpired _ that it was a legitimate expense. if it has now transpired that - that it was a legitimate expense. if it has now transpired that his - that it was a legitimate expense. if it has now transpired that his son. it has now transpired that his son was watching _ it has now transpired that his son was watching football, _ it has now transpired that his son was watching football, why - it has now transpired that his son was watching football, why did i it has now transpired that his son| was watching football, why did he claim _ was watching football, why did he claim he — was watching football, why did he claim he was— was watching football, why did he claim he was doing _ was watching football, why did he claim he was doing parliamentaryj claim he was doing parliamentary work? _ claim he was doing parliamentary work? can— claim he was doing parliamentary work? can he _ claim he was doing parliamentary work? can he say— claim he was doing parliamentary work? can he say if— claim he was doing parliamentary work? can he say if he _ claim he was doing parliamentary work? can he say if he cannot - work? can he say if he cannot understand _ work? can he say if he cannot understand at— work? can he say if he cannot understand at the _ work? can he say if he cannot understand at the time - work? can he say if he cannot understand at the time or- work? can he say if he cannot i understand at the time or could work? can he say if he cannot - understand at the time or could not explain _ understand at the time or could not explain the — understand at the time or could not explain the data _ understand at the time or could not explain the data usage, _ understand at the time or could not explain the data usage, how- understand at the time or could not explain the data usage, how he - understand at the time or could not i explain the data usage, how he could 100% _ explain the data usage, how he could 100% cited _ explain the data usage, how he could 100% cited the — explain the data usage, how he could 100% cited the parliament _ explain the data usage, how he could 100% cited the parliament when - 100% cited the parliament when claiming — 100% cited the parliament when claiming £11,000 _ 100% cited the parliament when claiming £11,000 of— 100% cited the parliament when claiming £11,000 of taxpayers . 100% cited the parliament when - claiming £11,000 of taxpayers money, that he _ claiming £11,000 of taxpayers money, that he was— claiming £11,000 of taxpayers money, that he was doing _ claiming £11,000 of taxpayers money, that he was doing parliamentary- that he was doing parliamentary work~ _ that he was doing parliamentary work the — that he was doing parliamentary work the two _ that he was doing parliamentary work. the two stories _ that he was doing parliamentary work. the two stories do - that he was doing parliamentary work. the two stories do not. that he was doing parliamentary. work. the two stories do not align. and it _ work. the two stories do not align. and it does — work. the two stories do not align. and it does seem _ work. the two stories do not align. and it does seem that _ work. the two stories do not align. and it does seem that parliament. work. the two stories do not align. i and it does seem that parliament was misled _ and it does seem that parliament was misled to— and it does seem that parliament was misled to make — and it does seem that parliament was misled to make that _ and it does seem that parliament was
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misled to make that claim. _ and it does seem that parliament was misled to make that claim. does- misled to make that claim. does michael— misled to make that claim. does michael matheson _ misled to make that claim. does michael matheson agree - misled to make that claim. does michael matheson agree with i misled to make that claim. does. michael matheson agree with that? misled to make that claim. does- michael matheson agree with that? he also said _ michael matheson agree with that? he also said in— michael matheson agree with that? he also said in his — michael matheson agree with that? he also said in his statement _ michael matheson agree with that? he also said in his statement that- michael matheson agree with that? he also said in his statement that he i also said in his statement that he looked _ also said in his statement that he looked for— also said in his statement that he looked for £3000 _ also said in his statement that he looked for £3000 to _ also said in his statement that he looked for £3000 to be _ also said in his statement that he looked for £3000 to be taken i also said in his statement that hej looked for £3000 to be taken out also said in his statement that he i looked for £3000 to be taken out of his office _ looked for £3000 to be taken out of his office cost — looked for £3000 to be taken out of his office cost allowance. _ looked for £3000 to be taken out of his office cost allowance. was - looked for £3000 to be taken out of his office cost allowance. was that i his office cost allowance. was that his office cost allowance. was that his only— his office cost allowance. was that his only request, _ his office cost allowance. was that his only request, or— his office cost allowance. was that his only request, or did _ his office cost allowance. was that his only request, or did he - his office cost allowance. was that his only request, or did he seek. his only request, or did he seek more _ his only request, or did he seek more money— his only request, or did he seek more money and _ his only request, or did he seek more money and more - his only request, or did he seek more money and more supportl his only request, or did he seek. more money and more support out his only request, or did he seek- more money and more support out of available _ more money and more support out of available budgets? _ more money and more support out of available budgets? he _ more money and more support out of available budgets? he said _ more money and more support out of available budgets? he said he - more money and more support out of available budgets? he said he madel available budgets? he said he made the immediate — available budgets? he said he made the immediate decision _ available budgets? he said he made the immediate decision on - available budgets? he said he made the immediate decision on hearing l the immediate decision on hearing from his— the immediate decision on hearing from his wife — the immediate decision on hearing from his wife to _ the immediate decision on hearing from his wife to repay— the immediate decision on hearing from his wife to repay the - the immediate decision on hearing from his wife to repay the money. the immediate decision on hearing i from his wife to repay the money but in the _ from his wife to repay the money but in the statement _ from his wife to repay the money but in the statement that _ from his wife to repay the money but in the statement that he _ from his wife to repay the money but in the statement that he made - from his wife to repay the money but in the statement that he made to i from his wife to repay the money but| in the statement that he made to the media _ in the statement that he made to the media and _ in the statement that he made to the media and to — in the statement that he made to the media and to the _ in the statement that he made to the media and to the scottish _ in the statement that he made to the media and to the scottish public, i in the statement that he made to the media and to the scottish public, hel media and to the scottish public, he said that _ media and to the scottish public, he said that was — media and to the scottish public, he said that was as _ media and to the scottish public, he said that was as a _ media and to the scottish public, he said that was as a direct _ said that was as a direct consequence _ said that was as a direct consequence of- said that was as a direct consequence of using i said that was as a direct| consequence of using an said that was as a direct - consequence of using an outdated sim. consequence of using an outdated sim did _ consequence of using an outdated sim did he — consequence of using an outdated sim. did he mislead _ consequence of using an outdated sim. did he mislead the _ consequence of using an outdated sim. did he mislead the scottish. sim. did he mislead the scottish people _ sim. did he mislead the scottish people by— sim. did he mislead the scottish people by using _ sim. did he mislead the scottish people by using that _ sim. did he mislead the scottish people by using that argument, i people by using that argument, rather— people by using that argument, rather than _ people by using that argument, rather than what _ people by using that argument, rather than what we _ people by using that argument, rather than what we now- people by using that argument, rather than what we now knowl people by using that argument, i rather than what we now know to be the case? _ rather than what we now know to be the case? the — rather than what we now know to be the case? the health _ rather than what we now know to be the case? the health secretary- rather than what we now know to be the case? the health secretary hasl the case? the health secretary has belatedly— the case? the health secretary has belatedly been _ the case? the health secretary has belatedly been forced _ the case? the health secretary has belatedly been forced to _ the case? the health secretary has belatedly been forced to be - the case? the health secretary has belatedly been forced to be honest| belatedly been forced to be honest about _ belatedly been forced to be honest about the — belatedly been forced to be honest about the circumstances, - belatedly been forced to be honest about the circumstances, but i belatedly been forced to be honest about the circumstances, but what| belatedly been forced to be honest i about the circumstances, but what we cannot _ about the circumstances, but what we cannot ignore. — about the circumstances, but what we cannot ignore, and _ about the circumstances, but what we cannot ignore, and we _ about the circumstances, but what we cannot ignore, and we cannot- about the circumstances, but what we cannot ignore, and we cannot forget, i cannot ignore, and we cannot forget, is that— cannot ignore, and we cannot forget, is that months — cannot ignore, and we cannot forget, is that months ago, _ cannot ignore, and we cannot forget, is that months ago, he _ cannot ignore, and we cannot forget, is that months ago, he wanted - cannot ignore, and we cannot forget, is that months ago, he wanted the i is that months ago, he wanted the scottish—
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is that months ago, he wanted the scottish taxpayer— is that months ago, he wanted the scottish taxpayer to— is that months ago, he wanted the scottish taxpayer to pay— is that months ago, he wanted the scottish taxpayer to pay £11,000 l is that months ago, he wanted the i scottish taxpayer to pay £11,000 for his roaming — scottish taxpayer to pay £11,000 for his roaming bill. _ scottish taxpayer to pay £11,000 for his roaming bill. that— scottish taxpayer to pay £11,000 for his roaming bill. that roaming i scottish taxpayer to pay £11,000 for his roaming bill. that roaming bill. his roaming bill. that roaming bill was accrued — his roaming bill. that roaming bill was accrued not _ his roaming bill. that roaming bill was accrued not due _ his roaming bill. that roaming bill was accrued not due to _ his roaming bill. that roaming bill- was accrued not due to parliamentary duties, _ was accrued not due to parliamentary duties, which— was accrued not due to parliamentary duties, which he _ was accrued not due to parliamentary duties, which he claimed, _ was accrued not due to parliamentary duties, which he claimed, and - duties, which he claimed, and therefore. _ duties, which he claimed, and therefore, he _ duties, which he claimed, and therefore, he sleek— duties, which he claimed, and therefore, he sleek claimed . duties, which he claimed, and . therefore, he sleek claimed that money — therefore, he sleek claimed that money will— therefore, he sleek claimed that money. will the _ therefore, he sleek claimed that money. will the health- therefore, he sleek claimed that| money. will the health secretary accept _ money. will the health secretary accept that? _ money. will the health secretary accept that? in _ money. will the health secretary accept that?— money. will the health secretary acce -t that? , , . ., , accept that? in my statement, i was clear that at — accept that? in my statement, i was clear that at the _ accept that? in my statement, i was clear that at the time _ accept that? in my statement, i was clear that at the time when - accept that? in my statement, i was clear that at the time when i - accept that? in my statement, i was clear that at the time when i was i clear that at the time when i was notified of the high charges associated with my ipad, that the parliament it department contacted network provider to try and find out more details as to how the costs had been associated with my ipad. unfortunately, the network provider were unable to provide that information to the parliament. therefore, we were unable to identify how the costs of the roaming charges associated with my ipad had been accrued. i therefore
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come under that time, i also passed my ipad to the it department to consider whether there was an issue with it and for them to look at the device. i also made the contribution of £3000 towards the costs in order to help to meet the costs associated with the parliament's it department and meeting all costs. that was something that i volunteered in making to the parliament directly itself. the member makes reference to my statement last friday and i made no reference to the fact that the data usage had occurred three members of my family. as i set out in my statement, this is been a very challenging and emotional time for my family. i chose not to provide details of that in my statement on friday because it would implicate my
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children in this issue. i chose not to provide that information in order to provide that information in order to try and protect them from the inevitable media scrutiny and political interest that that would generate. i did that as a father, to protect them. generate. i did that as a father, to protect them-— generate. i did that as a father, to protect them. could i thank michael matheson for _ protect them. could i thank michael matheson for his _ protect them. could i thank michael matheson for his personal - protect them. could i thank michael i matheson for his personal statement? ithink— matheson for his personal statement? i think anyone — matheson for his personal statement? i think anyone who _ matheson for his personal statement? i think anyone who has _ matheson for his personal statement? i think anyone who has had _ matheson for his personal statement? i think anyone who has had teenage i i think anyone who has had teenage children— i think anyone who has had teenage children will— i think anyone who has had teenage children will understand _ i think anyone who has had teenage children will understand what - i think anyone who has had teenage children will understand what has i children will understand what has happened — children will understand what has happened but— children will understand what has happened but what _ children will understand what has happened but what people - children will understand what has happened but what people will i children will understand what hasl happened but what people will not understand — happened but what people will not understand is— happened but what people will not understand is the _ happened but what people will not understand is the cover—up - happened but what people will not understand is the cover—up and i happened but what people will notl understand is the cover—up and this has only— understand is the cover—up and this has only had — understand is the cover—up and this has only had the _ understand is the cover—up and this has only had the effect _ understand is the cover—up and this has only had the effect of— has only had the effect of heightening _ has only had the effect of heightening the - has only had the effect of heightening the media i has only had the effect of- heightening the media scrutiny has only had the effect of— heightening the media scrutiny which understandably, _ heightening the media scrutiny which understandably, he _ heightening the media scrutiny which understandably, he did _ heightening the media scrutiny which understandably, he did not want i heightening the media scrutiny which understandably, he did not want for. understandably, he did not want for his family — understandably, he did not want for his family but— understandably, he did not want for his family but i_ understandably, he did not want for his family. but i regret _ understandably, he did not want for his family. but i regret to _ understandably, he did not want for his family. but i regret to say- understandably, he did not want for his family. but i regret to say that l his family. but i regret to say that the failure — his family. but i regret to say that the failure to _ his family. but i regret to say that the failure to replace _ his family. but i regret to say that the failure to replace the - his family. but i regret to say that the failure to replace the sim i his family. but i regret to say thatl the failure to replace the sim card, despite _ the failure to replace the sim card, despite reminders _ the failure to replace the sim card, despite reminders over— the failure to replace the sim card, despite reminders over several- despite reminders over several years. — despite reminders over several years. is— despite reminders over several years. is wholly— despite reminders over several years, is wholly negligent. ii despite reminders over several- years, is wholly negligent. i regret that the _ years, is wholly negligent. i regret that the failure _ years, is wholly negligent. i regret that the failure to _ years, is wholly negligent. i regret that the failure to keep _ years, is wholly negligent. i regret that the failure to keep the - years, is wholly negligent. i regret that the failure to keep the ipad i that the failure to keep the ipad secure — that the failure to keep the ipad secure is — that the failure to keep the ipad secure is equally _ that the failure to keep the ipad secure is equally negligent i that the failure to keep the ipad secure is equally negligent andl that the failure to keep the ipad| secure is equally negligent and i regret— secure is equally negligent and i regret that — secure is equally negligent and i regret that on _ secure is equally negligent and i regret that on repeated - secure is equally negligent and i. regret that on repeated occasions, he assured —
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regret that on repeated occasions, he assured this _ regret that on repeated occasions, he assured this parliament - regret that on repeated occasions, he assured this parliament and i regret that on repeated occasions, i he assured this parliament and made statements— he assured this parliament and made statements in— he assured this parliament and made statements in the _ he assured this parliament and made statements in the press _ he assured this parliament and made statements in the press that - he assured this parliament and made statements in the press that were i statements in the press that were wholly _ statements in the press that were wholly incorrect. _ statements in the press that were wholly incorrect. there _ statements in the press that were wholly incorrect. there is - statements in the press that were wholly incorrect. there is a - statements in the press that werel wholly incorrect. there is a serious question— wholly incorrect. there is a serious question of— wholly incorrect. there is a serious question ofjudgment_ wholly incorrect. there is a serious question ofjudgment here - wholly incorrect. there is a serious question ofjudgment here but i wholly incorrect. there is a serious . question ofjudgment here but whilst he was _ question ofjudgment here but whilst he was focused — question ofjudgment here but whilst he was focused on _ question ofjudgment here but whilst he was focused on this _ question ofjudgment here but whilst he was focused on this mess - question ofjudgment here but whilst he was focused on this mess of i question ofjudgment here but whilst he was focused on this mess of his . he was focused on this mess of his own making. — he was focused on this mess of his own making, waiting _ he was focused on this mess of his own making, waiting times - he was focused on this mess of his own making, waiting times had i he was focused on this mess of his . own making, waiting times had gone up own making, waiting times had gone up this_ own making, waiting times had gone up this year— own making, waiting times had gone up this year to — own making, waiting times had gone up this year to the _ own making, waiting times had gone up this year to the highest _ own making, waiting times had gone up this year to the highest level, - up this year to the highest level, nhs greater_ up this year to the highest level, nhs greater glasgow— up this year to the highest level, nhs greater glasgow and - up this year to the highest level, nhs greater glasgow and clyde i up this year to the highest level, - nhs greater glasgow and clyde were named _ nhs greater glasgow and clyde were named as _ nhs greater glasgow and clyde were named as suspects _ nhs greater glasgow and clyde were named as suspects in _ nhs greater glasgow and clyde were named as suspects in a _ nhs greater glasgow and clyde were named as suspects in a corporate - named as suspects in a corporate homicide — named as suspects in a corporate homicide case, _ named as suspects in a corporate homicide case, and _ named as suspects in a corporate homicide case, and 820,000 - named as suspects in a corporate - homicide case, and 820,000 patients are waiting _ homicide case, and 820,000 patients are waiting to— homicide case, and 820,000 patients are waiting to long _ homicide case, and 820,000 patients are waiting to long on _ homicide case, and 820,000 patients are waiting to long on nhs _ homicide case, and 820,000 patients are waiting to long on nhs waiting - are waiting to long on nhs waiting lists _ are waiting to long on nhs waiting lists does — are waiting to long on nhs waiting lists does he _ are waiting to long on nhs waiting lists. does he not _ are waiting to long on nhs waiting lists. does he not believe - are waiting to long on nhs waiting lists. does he not believe that- are waiting to long on nhs waiting lists. does he not believe that as. are waiting to long on nhs waiting| lists. does he not believe that as a resuii— lists. does he not believe that as a result of— lists. does he not believe that as a result of that — lists. does he not believe that as a result of that serious _ lists. does he not believe that as a result of that serious question - lists. does he not believe that as a result of that serious question of. result of that serious question of judgment. — result of that serious question of judgment. that— result of that serious question of judgment, that people _ result of that serious question of- judgment, that people understandably have lost— judgment, that people understandably have lost confidence _ judgment, that people understandably have lost confidence in _ judgment, that people understandably have lost confidence in his _ judgment, that people understandably have lost confidence in his ability- have lost confidence in his ability to do— have lost confidence in his ability to do his — have lost confidence in his ability to do hisiob_ have lost confidence in his ability to do hisjob as _ have lost confidence in his ability to do his job as the _ have lost confidence in his ability to do his job as the cabinet - to do hisjob as the cabinet secretary— to do hisjob as the cabinet secretary for— to do hisjob as the cabinet secretary for health? - to do hisjob as the cabinet secretary for health? i- to do hisjob as the cabinet| secretary for health? i have to do his job as the cabinet. secretary for health? i have to to do his job as the cabinet - secretary for health? i have to ask, why didn't — secretary for health? i have to ask, why didn't he — secretary for health? i have to ask, why didn't he investigate _ secretary for health? i have to ask, why didn't he investigate the - secretary for health? i have to ask, why didn't he investigate the use i secretary for health? i have to ask, why didn't he investigate the use of data when— why didn't he investigate the use of data when it — why didn't he investigate the use of data when it was _ why didn't he investigate the use of data when it was raised _ why didn't he investigate the use of data when it was raised with - why didn't he investigate the use of data when it was raised with him i data when it was raised with him consistently _ data when it was raised with him consistently by _ data when it was raised with him consistently by parliamentary i consistently by parliamentary authorities? _ consistently by parliamentary authorities? why _ consistently by parliamentary authorities? why is _ consistently by parliamentary authorities? why is it- consistently by parliamentary authorities? why is it only. consistently by parliamentary. authorities? why is it only now consistently by parliamentary - authorities? why is it only now that he asked _ authorities? why is it only now that he asked his — authorities? why is it only now that he asked his family— authorities? why is it only now that he asked his family what _ authorities? why is it only now that he asked his family what actually. he asked his family what actually
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happened? — he asked his family what actually happened? i— he asked his family what actually ha ened? ., , he asked his family what actually hauened? ., , , . happened? i wholly accept that the data usaue happened? i wholly accept that the data usage and _ happened? i wholly accept that the data usage and the _ happened? i wholly accept that the data usage and the costs _ happened? i wholly accept that the data usage and the costs which - happened? i wholly accept that the j data usage and the costs which had been associated with that or my responsibility, which is why last thursday, we as a family made the decision to reimburse the parliament for the full costs which were associated with that. my use of the ipad when i was on holiday was purely for constituency and parliamentary purposes. that was my understanding of all that happened with the ipad when it travelled with us. clearly, things have changed as a result of the information which i now have. can i also be very clear with the member, i did ask an it sword to try to get further details from the network operator on exactly what the ipad had accrued charges for and the network operator were unable to provide that information. i also discussed the matter with my family and received assurances at that time. had i known that my
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family made use of the data at that time, i would family made use of the data at that time, iwould have family made use of the data at that time, i would have met the costs associated with that, but i did not know that. this is why at that time, i could not understand how the costs had been accrued. when it became apparent that we had accrued the costs as a result of actions within my family, we took the immediate decision to reimburse the full amount to the parliament. i hope the member will take my reassurance that are soonest that became apparent to us, but we as a family decided to ensure that parliament were reimbursed for the full costs associated with it. can reimbursed for the full costs associated with it.— reimbursed for the full costs associated with it. can i welcome the member's — associated with it. can i welcome the member's statement - associated with it. can i welcome the member's statement and - associated with it. can i welcome the member's statement and ask whether— the member's statement and ask whether he — the member's statement and ask whether he is— the member's statement and ask whether he is engaged _ the member's statement and ask whether he is engaged with - the member's statement and ask whether he is engaged with the l whether he is engaged with the pariiament— whether he is engaged with the parliament on— whether he is engaged with the parliament on data _ whether he is engaged with the parliament on data capping - parliament on data capping unparliamentary_ parliament on data capping unparliamentary devices i parliament on data capping unparliamentary devices in| parliament on data capping. unparliamentary devices in the future? — unparliamentary devices in the future? i— unparliamentary devices in the future? ., ., ., unparliamentary devices in the future? . . ., ., unparliamentary devices in the future? . . . ., ., ., future? i am aware that parliament are undertaking _ future? i am aware that parliament are undertaking a _ future? i am aware that parliament are undertaking a review— future? i am aware that parliament are undertaking a review of- future? i am aware that parliament are undertaking a review of the - are undertaking a review of the existing arrangements which they have in place. my own painful
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experience of this, i am more than happy to engage with parliament to offer any assistance i can from my experience to ensure that no other member experiences this type of difficulty at some point in the future. ., . ., , , difficulty at some point in the future. ., ., ., , , ., future. for a family member to access the _ future. for a family member to access the cabinet _ future. for a family member to access the cabinet secretary'sl future. for a family member to - access the cabinet secretary's ipad, passwords— access the cabinet secretary's ipad, passwords we — access the cabinet secretary's ipad, passwords we need _ access the cabinet secretary's ipad, passwords we need to _ access the cabinet secretary's ipad, passwords we need to be _ access the cabinet secretary's ipad, passwords we need to be shared. i access the cabinet secretary's ipad, i passwords we need to be shared. can the cabinet _ passwords we need to be shared. can the cabinet secretary _ passwords we need to be shared. can the cabinet secretary confirm - passwords we need to be shared. can the cabinet secretary confirm if - passwords we need to be shared. can the cabinet secretary confirm if he i the cabinet secretary confirm if he has shared — the cabinet secretary confirm if he has shared his— the cabinet secretary confirm if he has shared his device's _ the cabinet secretary confirm if he has shared his device's passwords| has shared his device's passwords with anyone? _ has shared his device's passwords with anyone? does _ has shared his device's passwords with anyone? does he _ has shared his device's passwords with anyone? does he accept - has shared his device's passwords with anyone? does he accept thatj with anyone? does he accept that this goes— with anyone? does he accept that this goes against _ with anyone? does he accept that this goes against the _ with anyone? does he accept that this goes against the rules - with anyone? does he accept that this goes against the rules even l with anyone? does he accept that . this goes against the rules even the sensitive _ this goes against the rules even the sensitive information— this goes against the rules even the sensitive information held - this goes against the rules even the sensitive information held on - sensitive information held on pulmonary— sensitive information held on pulmonary devices, - sensitive information held on pulmonary devices, and - sensitive information held onj pulmonary devices, and hand sensitive information held on i pulmonary devices, and hand he sensitive information held on - pulmonary devices, and hand he could share _ pulmonary devices, and hand he could share with _ pulmonary devices, and hand he could share with the — pulmonary devices, and hand he could share with the chamber— pulmonary devices, and hand he could share with the chamber when - pulmonary devices, and hand he could share with the chamber when he - pulmonary devices, and hand he could share with the chamber when he firsti share with the chamber when he first shared _ share with the chamber when he first shared with— share with the chamber when he first shared with the _ share with the chamber when he first shared with the first _ share with the chamber when he first shared with the first minister- share with the chamber when he first shared with the first minister that i shared with the first minister that his family— shared with the first minister that his family members _ shared with the first minister that his family members used - shared with the first minister that his family members used his- shared with the first minister that his family members used his ipad| his family members used his ipad during _ his family members used his ipad during his — his family members used his ipad during his family— his family members used his ipad during his family holiday - his family members used his ipad during his family holiday in - during his family holiday in morocco? _ during his family holiday in morocco? in— during his family holiday in morocco?— during his family holiday in morocco? , ., ., ., ., morocco? in terms of the information i have morocco? in terms of the information i have provided _ morocco? in terms of the information i have provided to _ morocco? in terms of the information i have provided to the _ morocco? in terms of the information i have provided to the first _ i have provided to the first minister, i said that out in my statement. when i engaged with the parliament's it department about the
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difficulties which i had with my phone operator, the advice i was given was that i could use the ipad for hot spotting purposes. i had not used the hotspot before and my son helped me with that and that is how they were able to access the data that was provided within the ipad during the course of the holiday period. during the course of the holiday eriod. ., ., ~ during the course of the holiday eriod. . . ,, , during the course of the holiday eriod. . ., ,, , ., period. can i thank the member for his statement. _ period. can i thank the member for his statement. we _ period. can i thank the member for his statement. we spoke _ period. can i thank the member for his statement. we spoke yesterday period. can i thank the member for i his statement. we spoke yesterday in this chamber — his statement. we spoke yesterday in this chamber about— his statement. we spoke yesterday in this chamber about the _ his statement. we spoke yesterday in this chamber about the nolan - this chamber about the nolan principles— this chamber about the nolan principles of— this chamber about the nolan principles of selflessness, - principles of selflessness, integrity. _ principles of selflessness, integrity, accountability, i principles of selflessness, - integrity, accountability, openness and leadership. _ integrity, accountability, openness and leadership, and _ integrity, accountability, openness and leadership, and we _ integrity, accountability, openness and leadership, and we have - integrity, accountability, openness and leadership, and we have seen| and leadership, and we have seen across— and leadership, and we have seen across this — and leadership, and we have seen across this chamber— and leadership, and we have seen across this chamber and _ and leadership, and we have seen across this chamber and outside, i and leadership, and we have seen i across this chamber and outside, the challenge _ across this chamber and outside, the challenge that — across this chamber and outside, the challenge that this _ across this chamber and outside, the challenge that this statement - across this chamber and outside, the challenge that this statement has - challenge that this statement has been. _ challenge that this statement has been. and — challenge that this statement has been. and i— challenge that this statement has been, and i respect— challenge that this statement has been, and i respect that. - challenge that this statement has been, and i respect that. in- challenge that this statement has been, and i respect that. in that. challenge that this statement has . been, and i respect that. in that my expenses— been, and i respect that. in that my expenses that — been, and i respect that. in that my expenses that we _ been, and i respect that. in that my expenses that we use _ been, and i respect that. in that my expenses that we use here - been, and i respect that. in that my expenses that we use here to - expenses that we use here to authorise _ expenses that we use here to authorise payments - expenses that we use here to authorise payments of- expenses that we use here to authorise payments of the . expenses that we use here to - authorise payments of the budget that is— authorise payments of the budget that is provided _ authorise payments of the budget that is provided by— authorise payments of the budget that is provided by the _ authorise payments of the budget that is provided by the parliament from _ that is provided by the parliament from the — that is provided by the parliament from the taxpayer, _ that is provided by the parliament from the taxpayer, we _ that is provided by the parliament from the taxpayer, we certify- that is provided by the parliament from the taxpayer, we certify that the expenditure _ from the taxpayer, we certify that the expenditure was _ from the taxpayer, we certify that the expenditure was appropriate. |
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the expenditure was appropriate. that was— the expenditure was appropriate. that was not— the expenditure was appropriate. that was not correct _ the expenditure was appropriate. that was not correct in _ the expenditure was appropriate. that was not correct in this - the expenditure was appropriate. that was not correct in this case, j that was not correct in this case, was it? _ that was not correct in this case, was it? . . . . that was not correct in this case, wasit? , ., ., was it? this was a cost that was accrued to _ was it? this was a cost that was accrued to the _ was it? this was a cost that was accrued to the parliament's - was it? this was a cost that was accrued to the parliament's it. accrued to the parliament's it division, not through my office allowances. it was funded centrally by the scottish parliament, so there was no claim for the £11,000 through my parliamentary office. i volunteered to make a contribution towards the cost, given the costs that the parliament were facing as a result of the high roaming charges. does the member agree with me that standards— does the member agree with me that standards in— does the member agree with me that standards in public— does the member agree with me that standards in public office _ does the member agree with me that standards in public office are - does the member agree with me that standards in public office are very - standards in public office are very important — standards in public office are very important and _ standards in public office are very important and that _ standards in public office are very important and that is _ standards in public office are very important and that is why - standards in public office are very important and that is why it - standards in public office are very important and that is why it is - important and that is why it is right— important and that is why it is right that _ important and that is why it is right that he _ important and that is why it is right that he has _ important and that is why it is right that he has referred - important and that is why it is - right that he has referred himself to the _ right that he has referred himself to the parliament _ right that he has referred himself to the parliament bureau? - right that he has referred himself to the parliament bureau? [- right that he has referred himself to the parliament bureau?- to the parliament bureau? i have been 24 years — to the parliament bureau? i have been 24 years in _ to the parliament bureau? i have been 24 years in this _ to the parliament bureau? i have been 24 years in this parliamentl to the parliament bureau? i have . been 24 years in this parliament and i have always sought to maintain the high standards of the parliament through how i conduct myself, but as a minister, but as an msp, how my
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constituency office supports constituents and how we have utilised the public resources that we have provided to undertake on the job. there are standards i have always sought to apply and i will continue to stick to apply. i have acknowledged the errors made in this particular incident and as soon as those errors became apparent, the actions i have taken in order to address them by fully reimbursing the permit for the costs. that concludes _ the permit for the costs. that concludes the _ the permit for the costs. that concludes the personal- the permit for the costs. that concludes the personal statement. the permit for the costs. that - concludes the personal statement. i am grateful, we have had a short time _ am grateful, we have had a short time to— am grateful, we have had a short time to question _ am grateful, we have had a short time to question the _ am grateful, we have had a short time to question the health - time to question the health secretary _ time to question the health secretary i— time to question the health secretary. i wonder- time to question the health secretary. i wonder what i secretary. i wonder what opportunities _ secretary. i wonder what opportunities there - secretary. i wonder what opportunities there will. secretary. i wonder what. opportunities there will be secretary. i wonder what - opportunities there will be for further— opportunities there will be for further questioning _ opportunities there will be for further questioning and - opportunities there will be for. further questioning and vertically with the — further questioning and vertically with the referral— further questioning and vertically with the referral to _ further questioning and vertically with the referral to the _ further questioning and vertically with the referral to the corporatej with the referral to the corporate body, _ with the referral to the corporate body, michael— with the referral to the corporate body, michael matheson - with the referral to the corporate body, michael matheson said - with the referral to the corporate body, michael matheson said in. with the referral to the corporate . body, michael matheson said in his role as— body, michael matheson said in his role as a _ body, michael matheson said in his role as a government _ body, michael matheson said in his role as a government minister- body, michael matheson said in his role as a government minister on. role as a government minister on monday, — role as a government minister on monday, in— role as a government minister on monday, in response _ role as a government minister on monday, in response to- role as a government minister on monday, in response to a - monday, in response to a journalist's _ monday, in response to a journalist's question, - monday, in response to aj journalist's question, was monday, in response to a - journalist's question, was there monday, in response to a _ journalist's question, was there any personal— journalist's question, was there any personal use? — journalist's question, was there any personal use? michael— journalist's question, was there any personal use? michael matheson i journalist's question, was there any i personal use? michael matheson said, no. personal use? michael matheson said, no as— personal use? michael matheson said, no as i— personal use? michael matheson said, no as i made — personal use? michael matheson said, no as i made very— personal use? michael matheson said, no. as i made very clear— personal use? michael matheson said, no. as i made very clear etc— personal use? michael matheson said, no. as i made very clear etc etc. - personal use? michael matheson said, no. as i made very clear etc etc. we . no. as i made very clear etc etc. we have _ no. as i made very clear etc etc. we have just _ no. as i made very clear etc etc. we have just heard _ no. as i made very clear etc etc. we have just heard from _ no. as i made very clear etc etc. we have just heard from michael- have just heard from michael matheson _ have just heard from michael matheson but _ have just heard from michael matheson but on _
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have just heard from michael matheson but on thursday. have just heard from michael- matheson but on thursday evening, he knew there _ matheson but on thursday evening, he knew there was — matheson but on thursday evening, he knew there was personal— matheson but on thursday evening, he knew there was personal use _ matheson but on thursday evening, he knew there was personal use so - matheson but on thursday evening, he knew there was personal use so will i knew there was personal use so will the investigation _ knew there was personal use so will the investigation by— knew there was personal use so will the investigation by the _ knew there was personal use so will the investigation by the corporate . the investigation by the corporate body iook — the investigation by the corporate body took into _ the investigation by the corporate body look into the _ the investigation by the corporate body look into the conflicting - body look into the conflicting statements _ body look into the conflicting statements michael- body look into the conflicting i statements michael matheson body look into the conflicting - statements michael matheson has given— statements michael matheson has given parliament _ statements michael matheson has given parliament today, _ statements michael matheson has given parliament today, what - statements michael matheson has given parliament today, what he l statements michael matheson has i given parliament today, what he said in his— given parliament today, what he said in his role _ given parliament today, what he said in his role as — given parliament today, what he said in his role as a — given parliament today, what he said in his role as a government— given parliament today, what he said in his role as a government ministeri in his role as a government minister on monday, — in his role as a government minister on monday. and _ in his role as a government minister on monday, and the _ in his role as a government minister on monday, and the apparent- on monday, and the apparent reveiation _ on monday, and the apparent revelation from _ on monday, and the apparent revelation from his _ on monday, and the apparent revelation from his family - on monday, and the apparent revelation from his family on| revelation from his family on thursday— revelation from his family on thursday evening? _ revelation from his family on| thursday evening? secondly, revelation from his family on - thursday evening? secondly, the first minister— thursday evening? secondly, the first minister refused _ thursday evening? secondly, the first minister refused to - thursday evening? secondly, the first minister refused to answer. first minister refused to answer questions — first minister refused to answer questions about— first minister refused to answer questions about this _ first minister refused to answer questions about this issue, - questions about this issue, pa rticuta riy _ questions about this issue, particularly my— questions about this issue, particularly my question i questions about this issue, i particularly my question which questions about this issue, - particularly my question which is does _ particularly my question which is does he — particularly my question which is does he still— particularly my question which is does he still believe _ particularly my question which is does he still believe it— particularly my question which is does he still believe it to - particularly my question which is does he still believe it to be - particularly my question which is does he still believe it to be a i does he still believe it to be a legitimate _ does he still believe it to be a legitimate claim? _ does he still believe it to be a legitimate claim? i— does he still believe it to be a legitimate claim? i can- does he still believe it to be a legitimate claim? i can only. does he still believe it to be a - legitimate claim? i can only assume he doesn't — legitimate claim? i can only assume he doesn't. when— legitimate claim? i can only assume he doesn't. when did _ legitimate claim? i can only assume he doesn't. when did he _ legitimate claim? i can only assume he doesn't. when did he become . he doesn't. when did he become aware. _ he doesn't. when did he become aware, michael— he doesn't. when did he become aware, michael matheson - he doesn't. when did he become aware, michael matheson in - he doesn't. when did he become aware, michael matheson in his. aware, michael matheson in his statement _ aware, michael matheson in his statement said _ aware, michael matheson in his statement said he _ aware, michael matheson in his statement said he spoke - aware, michael matheson in his statement said he spoke to - aware, michael matheson in his statement said he spoke to the | aware, michael matheson in his- statement said he spoke to the first minister— statement said he spoke to the first minister tast— statement said he spoke to the first minister last night, _ statement said he spoke to the first minister last night, advising - statement said he spoke to the first minister last night, advising that- minister last night, advising that he would — minister last night, advising that he would be _ minister last night, advising that he would be making _ minister last night, advising that he would be making a _ minister last night, advising that he would be making a personal. he would be making a personal statement, _ he would be making a personal statement, but _ he would be making a personal statement, but between - he would be making a personal. statement, but between thursday evening _ statement, but between thursday evening last — statement, but between thursday evening last week— statement, but between thursday evening last week and _ statement, but between thursday evening last week and yesterday, | evening last week and yesterday, when _ evening last week and yesterday, when did — evening last week and yesterday, when did he — evening last week and yesterday, when did he inform _
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evening last week and yesterday, when did he inform the _ evening last week and yesterday, when did he inform the first- when did he inform the first minister— when did he inform the first minister that— when did he inform the first minister that he _ when did he inform the first minister that he had - when did he inform the first minister that he had found i when did he inform the first. minister that he had found out when did he inform the first- minister that he had found out that that had _ minister that he had found out that that had tteen— minister that he had found out that that had been used _ minister that he had found out that that had been used for— minister that he had found out that that had been used for personal. that had been used for personal reasons — that had been used for personal reasons. finally,... _ that had been used for personal reasons. finally,..._ that had been used for personal reasons. finally,... questions to other members _ reasons. finally,... questions to other members are _ reasons. finally,... questions to other members are not - reasons. finally,... questions to other members are not points i reasons. finally,... questions to other members are not points ofi other members are not points of order~ _ other members are not points of order. points of order are to question— order. points of order are to question whether proper procedures have tteen— question whether proper procedures have been followed. they are matters that are _ have been followed. they are matters that are covered in the standing orders — that are covered in the standing orders i— that are covered in the standing orders. i would ask you to conclude very quickly — orders. i would ask you to conclude very quickly. i orders. i would ask you to conclude very quickly-— very quickly. i am asking how parliament _ very quickly. i am asking how parliament can _ very quickly. i am asking how parliament can get _ very quickly. i am asking how parliament can get these - very quickly. i am asking how- parliament can get these answers, given— parliament can get these answers, given we _ parliament can get these answers, given we have _ parliament can get these answers, given we have had _ parliament can get these answers, given we have had a _ parliament can get these answers, given we have had a tight- parliament can get these answers, | given we have had a tight timescale and on _ given we have had a tight timescale and on the — given we have had a tight timescale and on the point _ given we have had a tight timescale and on the point about _ given we have had a tight timescale and on the point about the - given we have had a tight timescale and on the point about the scottish| and on the point about the scottish parliament— and on the point about the scottish parliament corporate _ and on the point about the scottish parliament corporate body- parliament corporate body investigation. _ parliament corporate body investigation. i— parliament corporate body investigation.— parliament corporate body investigation. parliament corporate body investiuation. , ., investigation. i will respond to that. members _ investigation. i will respond to that. members will— investigation. i will respond to that. members will be - investigation. i will respond to that. members will be aware l investigation. i will respond to i that. members will be aware that where _ that. members will be aware that where there are matters to be pursued — where there are matters to be pursued later, will liaise with their— pursued later, will liaise with their parliamentary bureau at its meetings — their parliamentary bureau at its meetings and the corporate body shell of— meetings and the corporate body shell of course consider any referral _ shell of course consider any referral. we will now move onto the next item _ referral. we will now move onto the next item. my
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referral. we will now move onto the next item. g _, ., referral. we will now move onto the next item. g ., ~ ., next item. my colleague, megan gallagher. _ next item. my colleague, megan gallagher, asked _ next item. my colleague, megan gallagher, asked a _ next item. my colleague, megan gallagher, asked a very - next item. my colleague, megan l gallagher, asked a very important question— gallagher, asked a very important question of— gallagher, asked a very important question of michael— gallagher, asked a very important question of michael matheson. iti gallagher, asked a very important. question of michael matheson. it has to do with _ question of michael matheson. it has to do with the — question of michael matheson. it has to do with the security— question of michael matheson. it has to do with the security of— to do with the security of parliamentary _ to do with the security of parliamentary devices. . to do with the security ofi parliamentary devices. i. to do with the security of parliamentary devices. i. you at that point. _ parliamentary devices. i. you at that point. i— parliamentary devices. i. you at that point, i have _ parliamentary devices. i. you at that point, i have just _ parliamentary devices. i. you at that point, i have just said - parliamentary devices. i. you at that point, i have just said if - parliamentary devices. i. you at| that point, i have just said if you want _ that point, i have just said if you want to— that point, i have just said if you want to avail yourself of the standing orders and look at the standing — standing orders and look at the standing orders and look at the standing orders with regards to points— standing orders with regards to points of— standing orders with regards to points of order, they are to cover whether— points of order, they are to cover whether or— points of order, they are to cover whether or not proper procedures have _ whether or not proper procedures have treen— whether or not proper procedures have been followed in the chamber, in the _ have been followed in the chamber, in the course of our parliamentary business — in the course of our parliamentary business. this is not, i would suggest. _ business. this is not, i would suggest, the most appropriate venue for raising _ suggest, the most appropriate venue for raising the question that you now wish— for raising the question that you now wish to put. we will move onto the next _ now wish to put. we will move onto the next of— now wish to put. we will move onto the next of business. portfolio guestions _ the next of business. portfolio questions and i will allow a moment for frontbenchers to arrange themselves.— for frontbenchers to arrange themselves. ., �* ., . “ themselves. you're watching bbc news, themselves. you're watching bbc news. that _ themselves. you're watching bbc news, that was _ themselves. you're watching bbc news, that was the _ themselves. you're watching bbc news, that was the scottish - themselves. you're watching bbc. news, that was the scottish health secretary michael matheson explaining how it came to be that he managed to run up and ipad usage charge totalling something along the lines of £11,000. it has been an
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increasingly fraught question over the past few days and there we have the past few days and there we have the explanation. i would like to bring in our political correspondence to go through what we heard. the explanation, lots of those questions answered and clearly, not to the satisfaction of many of the msps in the chamber. it has go through exactly what he said. what we have now, which we didn't have until today, is an explanation but i think makes sense about how the data use got so high on michael matheson's ipad when in morocco and by the sounds of it, his teenage sons have used a hotspot on the ipad to watch football. there is a very important part of all of this which is the timeline michael matheson is laying out because he says when that big £11,000 bill came in, he was unaware of this and parliamentary it
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failed to get to the bottom of it, the network provider could not provide information and therefore the bill was paid using taxpayer money. he then says that evening, his wife informed him about the watching of the football and therefore the next day, he decided that he would pay the money back. the money would not go to the taxpayer. the more complicated part in all of this and the part that is going to cause problems for michael matheson is that that means last friday, he was aware of the fact that the football, the ipad has been used to watch football games. since then, he has not gone public with that, he has attained the lining that, he has attained the lining that it was used only for constituency work while he was away in morocco. we now know from what we just heard in the chamber that that was not the case and i think that is why opposition parties will still want to see him lose hisjob, i
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