we were always told that they were hesitant to tell us anything about the negotiations because there were times when we thought they would be an agreement and then there wasn't, and that nothing was agreed until everything is agreed, and that was really up until the end actually. we saw that comment from presidentjoe biden earlier in the day, which he really signalled that he thought this would be the time, that they were very, very close, but again he said we can't say for sure. so these negotiations have been tenuous, they have been difficult, they have involved a number of parties. definitely qatar of course that has been negotiating, has been contacting haouas and has been making negotiations between hamas and israel and then the united states also very much involved at a very senior level. secretary of state antony blinken of course making those trips but other senior

officials, the head of the cia, mr biden himself making calls to the leaders of both qatar and israel, and so they are heavily involved in these negotiations. and now we have that statement from the israeli government, quite a space statement i would say, basically giving the outline of the deal that these 50 hostages being released overfour the deal that these 50 hostages being released over four days with potential for more overtime. and still waiting to find out exactly when that might start, because there needs to be supreme court approval in israel before it goes through, because of the palestinian prisoners that would potentially be released. we are seeing reporting tonight that the secretary of state may again be heading to israel next week but we have not received confirmation of that or received a statement from the white house. at this point, do

we know anything about how many americans may be part of this agreement of hostages being released? we agreement of hostages being released? ~ ., ., released? we did have a briefing _ released? we did have a briefing a _ released? we did have a briefing a little - released? we did have a briefing a little earlier i released? we did have a| briefing a little earlier by the white house, saying it is expected that three americans will be included in the release, including a child, a three—year—old girl, named abigail. the other two would be women. three americans, to be included in the initial phase of 50 hostages and there are ten americans unaccounted for at the moment. presumed to be hostages. three out of ten, it seems, will be involved in the first phase. seems, will be involved in the first phase-— seems, will be involved in the first hase. ., , ., first phase. one more question, it's important — first phase. one more question, it's important to _ first phase. one more question, it's important to note _ first phase. one more question, it's important to note for - first phase. one more question, it's important to note for the - it's important to note for the

biden administration they have also emphasised a pause inviting us to be used to get humanitarian aid into the gaza strip? humanitarian aid into the gaza stri - ? ., , humanitarian aid into the gaza stri? ., , ~ ., strip? that is right. again, administration _ strip? that is right. again, administration official - strip? that is right. again, administration official said | strip? that is right. again, | administration official said it is expected once a deal was made, that there would be a surge in humanitarian supplies so the administration has pushed for humanitarian pauses, as they call them, to allow not only for the sake of the release of the hostages but to get more aid into gaza through the rafah border crossing in egypt. the current crossing is not efficient and they have been hoping for a longer period of time to do so and have been particularly pushing in the past week for fuel to come in because gaza was running out of fuel, according to our broadcast partners in the united states, cbs. this

agreement is meant to allow 300 trucks per day carrying aid, including cooking oilfor bakeries and fuel for hospitals. again, that was not formally released but there is expectation that this will also help with aid deliveries into gaza. earlier, i spoke to danielle gilbert, assistant professor of political science at northwestern university and former us ambassador to morocco marc ginsberg. this is wonderful news for families and am cautiously optimistic but there is a lot to be done before they are home

safe and sound but it is really wonderful news for israel and for the families of the hostages tonight. for the families of the hostaaes toniaht. �* ,. , ,., ., hostages tonight. ambassador, our hostages tonight. ambassador, your thoughts? _ hostages tonight. ambassador, your thoughts? mixed - hostages tonight. ambassador, | your thoughts? mixed emotions because on _ your thoughts? mixed emotions because on the _ your thoughts? mixed emotions because on the one _ your thoughts? mixed emotions because on the one hand, - your thoughts? mixed emotions because on the one hand, over| your thoughts? mixed emotions| because on the one hand, over a month_ because on the one hand, over a month into — because on the one hand, over a month into this conflict, only about— month into this conflict, only about 50 _ month into this conflict, only about 50 out of 240 hostages will be — about 50 out of 240 hostages will be released. 0f about 50 out of 240 hostages will be released. of course it is great _ will be released. of course it is great to see that the women and children but i wasjust in isreel— and children but i wasjust in israei a _ and children but i wasjust in israel a week ago and the amount_ israel a week ago and the amount of agonising that the public— amount of agonising that the public at _ amount of agonising that the public at large and the hostages families have added to the dimension of grief and anger— the dimension of grief and anger existing in israel. i think— anger existing in israel. i think the most important thing here _ think the most important thing here is— think the most important thing here is whether or not this will— here is whether or not this will lead _ here is whether or not this will lead to more hostage releases and what further terms. _ releases and what further terms, what i would say blackmail, will hamas employ on israel—

blackmail, will hamas employ on israel to— blackmail, will hamas employ on israel to get the others out because _ israel to get the others out because after the women and children. _ because after the women and children, must considers israeli _ children, must considers israeli soldiers perhaps foreign citizens, mouth, could be much — foreign citizens, mouth, could be much more of a bargaining chip— be much more of a bargaining chip then _ be much more of a bargaining chip then women and children. danielle, — chip then women and children. danielle, what you think it means for the remaining hostages. as the ambassador said, this is a moment of agony for theirfamilies, said, this is a moment of agony fortheirfamilies, knowing their loved ones will not be released?— their loved ones will not be released? , ' . released? extremely difficult, as the ambassador _ released? extremely difficult, as the ambassador said, - released? extremely difficult, as the ambassador said, and l as the ambassador said, and even to think about this in the context of decades of conflict between israel and palestinians, if you think back to the 1970s when palestinian militant groups first started hijacking planes with the intention of coercing the israeli government to make concessions. those militants would often release the non— israeli captives without making any demands at all and then hold onto israeli adults and try to use those captives as a

bargaining chip. in some ways, letting go of the children and women, they are the easy cases, the vulnerable cases and there is an ambiguous sympathy and outrage around the world that these vulnerable individuals are being held hostage in as a group of hostages becomes more and more narrow, when it is soldiers, able—bodied men, not only are those hostages easier for hamas to hold onto long—term but it means the price is going to be quite high for the chance of maybe seeing them released. i’ll for the chance of maybe seeing them released.— them released. i'll ask you both, following _ them released. i'll ask you both, following up - them released. i'll ask you both, following up on - them released. i'll ask youj both, following up on what them released. i'll ask you - both, following up on what you said, what do you think it would possibly take to secure the rest of the hostages and we should say at the same time we have seen a massive humanitarian crisis in gaza, which is something that possibly could lead us to want a longer pause inviting to release more hostages?

absolutely. what we have heard about this possible deal and it has just been reported so far, is that in many ways, it is reiterated, the idea that for every ten hostages that hamas is able to release, that there will be another pause in a day of fighting and that israel will release 30 palestinian prisoners with the idea that it is entirely possible that that chain may continue. we have seen hostage groups in the past release some hostages and continue to make more demands for the release of others and so i think the negotiating, as impossible as it has been up until this point, may only get harderfrom here. until this point, may only get harder from here. ambassador, what is your _ harder from here. ambassador, what is your sense _ harder from here. ambassador, what is your sense of _ harder from here. ambassador, what is your sense of this, - what is your sense of this, especially with the us having played a big role with negotiations. what might come next, especially looking at the remaining hostages?- next, especially looking at the remaining hostages? from the

oint of remaining hostages? from the point of view — remaining hostages? from the point of view of _ remaining hostages? from the point of view of the _ remaining hostages? from the point of view of the biden - point of view of the biden administration, the fact that hamas— administration, the fact that hamas is— administration, the fact that hamas is still holding onto american citizens, this is obviously of great concern to the biden administration from day one — the biden administration from day one. so, you are going to see _ day one. so, you are going to see continued pressure on the part— see continued pressure on the part of— see continued pressure on the part of the biden administration, on the israeli government, do not do anything to make — government, do not do anything to make it— government, do not do anything to make it harder, and that is a relative _ to make it harder, and that is a relative term, harder, to make _ a relative term, harder, to make it _ a relative term, harder, to make it possible for american hostages to also be released. the drawers and the other issue _ the drawers and the other issue. why is hamas doing this now? _ issue. why is hamas doing this now? does hamas feel militarily that it _ now? does hamas feel militarily that it is — now? does hamas feel militarily that it is under pressure? does it need — that it is under pressure? does it need this so—called pause in the conflict? 0r it need this so—called pause in the conflict? or is thisjust an effort— the conflict? or is thisjust an effort by hamas to jettison what — an effort by hamas to jettison what is — an effort by hamas to jettison what is essentially has been from — what is essentially has been from its _ what is essentially has been from its own perspective and public — from its own perspective and public relations, a humanitarian disaster, because of the _ humanitarian disaster, because of the focus on these hostages has taken _ of the focus on these hostages has taken away attention, or at least _ has taken away attention, or at

least a — has taken away attention, or at least a relative degree of attention, from the people in gaza — attention, from the people in gaza who _ attention, from the people in gaza who are being victimised by the — gaza who are being victimised by the conflict.— by the conflict. danielle, if ou by the conflict. danielle, if you look — by the conflict. danielle, if you look at _ by the conflict. danielle, if you look at the _ by the conflict. danielle, if you look at the situation i by the conflict. danielle, if i you look at the situation now going forward, we are looking at some pictures and gaza right now, how much does that shape hostage diplomacy, going forward? abs, hostage diplomacy, going forward? �* hostage diplomacy, going forward?— forward? a few ways that conditions _ forward? a few ways that conditions of _ forward? a few ways that conditions of the - forward? a few ways that conditions of the war - forward? a few ways that | conditions of the war until forward? a few ways that - conditions of the war until now have shaped negotiations so far and will continue to do so. when the israeli government has talked about is war aims, they asked several holes but eliminating us from gaza, and then securing the release of then securing the release of the hostages. that has always been a second goal of the idf but in some ways, but impression on hamas with the debtor is putting pressure on her mouth with a ground incursion — — putting on hamas has put them on the back foot,

made it so the pressure has to come to the table. the negotiation for a pause in the fighting is interesting in that it is both content of the deal and process of the deal. so it is content in terms of negotiation for a pause in the fighting that hamas and the civilian residents of gaza will be grateful for a civilian residents of gaza will be gratefulfor a break in those histology is, of course, but it's also about the process of hostage release, it allows the hostages allowing them to come out of captivity and into israel safely.— israel safely. that was danielle _ israel safely. that was danielle lawford - israel safely. that was danielle lawford and l israel safely. that was i danielle lawford and the israel safely. that was - danielle lawford and the former ambassador speaking to us earlier. forthe ambassador speaking to us earlier. for the latest on the agreement, you can go to the website. we do have a live page there are updated continuously. we will have more in the breaking news a bit later in the programme. for now, turning

to other news. ukraine is marking the 10th anniversary of a movement, when theyjoined a growing protest against government corruption and the closer relations with russia. president volodymyr zelensky paid respect to those who died, and the month long demonstrators, came to an end when the movement was triggered by former ukrainian president pulling out of an agreement that would have brought his country closer ties with the eu. the movement eventually doubled the government. how ukraine correspondent has more.

he acknowledged there will be difficult talks ahead of the vote next month, reflecting the political difficulties facing president volodymyr zelensky. putting politics aside, today has been a poignant day for kyiv an ukraine, ten years since the revolution of dignity when people protested against the decision of the last moscow leaning president, victor, pulling out of an association agreement with the eu and instead signing a secret deal with vladimir putin and that was the moment that ukraine decided to protest against its democratic will not being recognised. we all know that was not the end of the story. there were three months of protests, more than 100 were killed, victor unico which was forced out of power but it was the russian response that borders to this point, ten years of almost russian

aggression, the annexation of crimea, the full—scale invasion of 2022, the deaths of tens of thousands of people least and counting and the fact that president bilotta ms zelensky still voicing his intent to keep fighting. ukraine sees this as a continued fight survival and the idea of any negotiation for settlement or ceasefire as a nonstarter politically for kyiv because the theory that russia will replenish and try once more to take the whole of ukraine and to potentially install a puppet government. today has been a day of quiet reflection. not a lot of people out and about, for very obvious reasons, acknowledged by organisers and the ceremony, the political discourse, it always runs in parallel with the continued brutality of the fighting on the frontline. back here in the us, discussions are reportedly under way between our 0penai

ceo sam altman and members of the company's board, according to bloomberg news. meanwhile, microsoft has offered to match the pay of any staff who join it from 0penai, the company known for creating chatgpt. the firm has been in crisis ever since its high profile ceo sam altmann was sacked from the job on friday after the ousting, microsoft then offered altman a job to head a new ai research team. the ousting has caused an uproar at 0penai with almost every staff member threatening to leave unless altman is reinstated. it is still unclear whether altman will ultimately join microsoft. very good to see you. it is hard to keep track of all of the twists and turns of the story. where do things start right now would sam altman? is he really in talks to go back to 0penai? it

has been a tumultuous five days to say the