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and all of the other families as well. and i think it is a bit of... it is cruel. five injured in a stabbing in dublin in what police describe as a "serious public order incident." cheering and chanting geert wilders, is preparing to lead coalition talks in the netherlands, after his far—right freedom party wins a shock election victory. hello, i m matthew amroliwala, welcome to verified live, three hours of breaking stories, and checking out the truth behind them. the first israeli hostages will be released by hamas, on friday afternoon at 4 o'clock local time. the names of the 13 hostages to be
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released, have been handed to qatari mediators, and passed on to israeli negotiators. prisoners being held in israeli jails will be also be released, as part of the delayed deal. a four—day pause in fighting in gaza — will start on friday morning, at 07:00 local time, after almost seven weeks of fighting. humanitarian aid will start to go into gaza, as soon as that pause in hostilities begins. qatar's foreign ministry spokesman majed al—ansari has been speaking about the truce. we have just finished with all the communication with all parties in order to ascertain the lists of those civilians who will be freed as a result of the deal agreed upon by both parties. the lists have been handed to both sides. and finally, in a communication just now, the list has been handed to the israeli intelligence service,
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the mossad, in order to facilitate the implementation of the deal. according to this, of course, and as the agreement took place, the beginning of the pause will be 7am friday, the 24th of november and it will last, of course, as agreed, for four days. and the first batch of civilians to be released from gaza will be around 4pm of the same day. they will be 13 in number. all women and children and those hostages who are from the same families will be put together within the same batch. 0bviously every day will include a number of civilians, as agreed to total 50 within the four days. the communication that took place and the meetings that took place all through yesterday went on until early morning today
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with the egyptians and the parties of the conflict present here in in doha. the meetings went very well and in positive environment. and the results, of course, was the implementation plan of the agreement, which we have always said needed to be something that is concrete and very ready to create a safe environment for the release of the the hostages. the announcement of the deal. live now to moty cristal, former israeli negotiator with hamas and former idf lt colonel. thank you so much for being here on the programme. your immediate reaction to finally this detail of the deal being announced. well, we ra , as the deal being announced. well, we pray. as the — the deal being announced. well, we pray, as the overwhelming - the deal being announced. well, we pray, as the overwhelming majority| pray, as the overwhelming majority of the israeli public and many, many people around the world, we do hope that it will be implemented and executed as planned. it was a long
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negotiation for —— process, and the post negotiation, post agreement negotiation, the last 2a hours expected delays, both for objective reasons, you know, finalising details which are usually in hostage crisis negotiation but we don't want to leave that to the kind of ambiguity but also from some manipulative reasons. manipulative in the sense of the positioning of the various parties interested in the various parties interested in the smooth implementation of this. yes, because it has been widely reported that some sort of deal with these sorts of numbers were broadly on the table for a number of weeks. what do you think, in the end, allowed the israeli war cabinet to actually agree this deal? you're the man i don't think that putting the
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focus on the israeli war cabinet is necessarily the right thing to do. of course, you can interpret the of course, you can interpret the reality from a political point of view and it was, by the way, also an interpretation used by the israeli public that was the israeli government which delayed but as i was involved in so many types of deals like that in the past, i would attribute the delay to the concept of rightness. you have to bear in mind that there are so many other elements, various elements which need to be put together, not only the israel's political decisions or approval but also egyptian operations, qatari relationships, internal hamas between amassing gaza and the leadership in kata and there
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are so many pieces in this puzzle which need to be put together and these delays are expected. so you don't really buy the interpretation that it was finally behind—the—scenes pressure from the americans that changed the israeli position. but in terms of the risks to israel agreeing to a deal like this, what is your assessment of that? it this, what is your assessment of that? , , ., ., that? it is... it is a risky deal for israel. — that? it is... it is a risky deal for israel, of _ that? it is... it is a risky deal for israel, of course - that? it is... it is a risky deal| for israel, of course because, operationally, the israeli forces will be now exposed in gaza to counterattacks by hamas terrorists and that is a risk. but if you read and that is a risk. but if you read and you feel the public sentiment in israel, this is definitely a risk that the israeli public, the israeli military is willing to take in order to rescue the kids and the women and the elderly holocaust survivors who are brutally kidnapped by hamas.
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israel is in this business of negotiating with terrorist, people who don't trust, and you take risks because it is very important for us. let me ask you a twin final question, do you think it is realistic to be talking, at the same time, about getting all of the hostages out, but repeating that fundamental objective to destroy hamas in its entirety? and to tell me a little bit more also about the process about what we are likely to see tomorrow in terms of the physical help, the psychological health, intelligence debriefing of those people who actually get out. well, i would start with the 1st of may your first question. israel, we cannot really the release of all of your hostages. —— start with your first question. we leave as many
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hostages as he can to be as a human shield for him. he knows that israel is very determined were not on the him for the whole world knows that if you are very determined to dismantle hamas's military and governing capabilities in this military campaign will not stop before israel achieves this goal so from his own perspective, he would like to leave as many hostages in his possession. in order to protect himself and to secure his, you know, future, his life or the life of the supreme commanders. now, regarding tomorrow, the kids, the first release of 13 kids and mothers, they will be accompanied probably to the rafah crossing and then handed over to the israeli to the egyptian
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facilitation. in israel, the israeli military and the israeli health authorities and welfare are very comprehensive medical envelope and they will be treated with a lot of care, in order to minimise the tremendous mental damages. we don't know how the women, we don't know how many women were sexually abused during hamas captivity. we will take very good care of our people. and they will be supported by the very strong environments by the israeli public. strong environments by the israeli ublic. ,., ., ., strong environments by the israeli ublic. ., ., ~ ., ., public. good to talk to you. thanks so much for _ public. good to talk to you. thanks so much forjoining _ public. good to talk to you. thanks so much forjoining us, _ public. good to talk to you. thanks so much forjoining us, as - public. good to talk to you. thanks so much forjoining us, as we - public. good to talk to you. thanks so much forjoining us, as we look| so much forjoining us, as we look at these live pictures coming in from tel aviv. the deal being held for the many children being held
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hostage. as a word of that deal actually comes in from the qatari authorities, of course, that is one of the gathering places for the families of all of those hostages in israel. and they continue to wait for more detail and wait for tomorrow's handover. those are the latest live pictures. those are the latest live pictures. 0ur security correspondent frank gardner has given his analysis of the situation. we're not there yet. that is very reassuring, that the qataris have felt confident enough to make that announcement because a few hours ago it was looking a bit slippery, to be honest, because you had a chief israeli spokesperson saying that hamas were adding new conditions, which was really worrying. we know that there were problems in trying to...for hamas to try and gather up these hostages and get all the names and genders and identities matching what israel had.
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there was a mismatch between them. so the israelis obviously set up an operations room for hostages very soon after the october 7th raid. and they've been trying to keep close, careful tabs on who has been taken and who they're with, examining all the clues that they can. for hamas, the difficulty is that they scattered them around very quickly. not all of the hostages that were seized on that day are being held by hamas. around 30 or so are being held by palestinian islamichhad, another armed militia group inside the gaza strip. they have said in a statement, they're not going to give anybody up until all palestinian prisoners are released from prisons. there's about 7,000 of them. so that isn't going to happen straightaway. so they've gone for, in bargaining terms, the lowest—hanging fruit — the women, the children, the elderly, the non—combatants. but that still leaves around 150 plus hostages held, presumably underground in tunnels in gaza. so the mediation is going to continue and qatar
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is going to continue its role. it's not over when there's 50 released, hopefully over the next four days. the plan that was agreed yesterday is that after the first 50 are out and 150 palestinians are released, there will be batches of ten a day. and for every ten that come out, and this isn't certain that they will come out, but for every ten hostages that hamas release, israel will extend the pause by one more day. remember that there is a mismatch here. hamas and most of the region want the pause to be indefinite. they don't want to see gaza being hit any more. israel wants to carry on because they want to finish off thejob in defeating hamas... or not defeating but eliminating hamas' ability to hit israel because they say if they stop now, hamas have made it very public, they want to try and hit them again. and on that formula, i was listening only yesterday to john bolton, the former us national security adviser, who is against this deal and saying it hands overjust hamas' ability to set the agenda
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to elongate the ceasefire and possibly regroup. there are risks with this deal, aren't there? there are. and it's got its opponents on both sides. you know, there will be people on the hamas side, on the more extreme militant wing. and it's already an extremist organisation. but there are extremists within that who will have opposed this. and likewise, on the israeli side, there are there have been calls amongst some far right extremists for the death penalty for anybody captured. that's been opposed by the hostage families who say, "don't do that, because that will make it even harder to get them out". so people aren't necessarily singing from the same hymn sheets, which is why it's frankly an incredible achievement by qatar, egypt and the united states, to have brought these two bitter enemies together to have any kind of a deal.
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but it's not over yet because we haven't seen any of the new hostages come out. we've had the four, but not them. and of course, there is so much here that is so fragile. it is such a difficult deal to have put into place. and similarly, it will be a deal that is easy to actually get off rails, in terms of the fragility of it. yeah. i mean, you know, anything could go wrong, but let's hope it doesn't. i mean, the fact that the icrc, the international committee of the red cross, has been able to get out four hostages already, safely out, bodes well. there is a mechanism and it's in hamas' interest to protect those hostages coming out and the ones who come out after that, if they're going to see the palestinian prisoners coming out
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the other side of the deal. ultimately, though, the whole region and the wider islamic world want this war to stop now. they don't want to see it resume. and remember that both sides it's notjust israel saying we're going to carry on shooting after this finishes. hamas have put out a statement yesterday saying our finger is on the trigger so their war doesn't end either, which is why israel wants to end hamas. there's no there's no plan that i can see for day two after this. yes. and of course, in terms of what lies ahead, you know, in the past, these sorts of pauses have been elongated and that ultimately led to the ceasefire that has been in place. this time, israel making it absolutely clear that that is not going to happen because of what happened on october 7th. this time, they say it is different. there is a wider problem here, though, matthew, and it's one that was put quite, quite eloquently, i think, by the ministers, the contact group that came to london yesterday. this was the saudi, egyptian, jordanian, palestinian,
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nigerian and indonesian ministers. and their point was this: they said, look, we don't like hamas. we condemn what happened on october the 7th but you can't beat, you can't defeat, you can't kill off a bad ideology, their words, referring to hamas, unless you've got a better one to offer people. and, at the moment, there's nothing to offer. the gazans, you know, they're living in a shattered part of the world. every single person in the gaza strip will have been scarred by what's happened, as indeed are israelis, by what happened on october the 7th. so, to find a way out of that, there's got to be some return to some kind of peace process. and i know that's a very much a denigrated phrase these days because it dribbled away into the sand. but, the problem is that, you know, terrorism continued as in israeli words and western words, and israeli jewish settlements continued spreading right across the west bank and into eastjerusalem, the very areas that are supposed to be a future palestinian state. so, that has been an obstacle to hope for the future. to stay with us because, little
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later in the programme, and about 25 minutes, we'll play you that interview i did with one of the hostage families. their reaction to what we have had with this deal being announced so that is coming up on today's verified live a little later. around the world and across the uk, you're watching bbc news. let's look at some other stories making news. household energy prices will rise in january putting more financial pressure on billpayers at the coldest time of year. energy regulator 0fgem said the typical annual household bill would go up by £91; or five percent. it said the rise in bills would be worrying at a difficult time for many people, but was the result of higher wholesale costs faced by suppliers. the car manufacturer nissan is expected to announce on friday that the electric versions of the qashqai and thejuke are to be made at their sunderland plant. the plant currently employs around 6,000 staff to build petrol versions of the two cars as well as the electric leaf. families will be £1,900 poorer at the end of this parliament
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compared with the beginning, according to the think tank, the resolution foundation. it said this government would set a "grim" new record for living standards going down. but chancellorjeremy hunt said the tax cuts announced in the autumn statement would put more money in people's pockets. you're live with bbc news. more now on our breaking news, five people in dublin, including three young children, have been taken to hospital. irish police said there had been a "serious public order incident" in the city centre, which local media is saying is a multiple stabbing. the injuried to one of the children, and a woman, were described as serious. i looked across the road and i seen a man with a lot of children so i flew across the road and then the
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man was after stabbing two children, as far as i could make out. we got the children up to the left with the women that was there and the teachers, i presume. and then there was a bit of... have up, people were trying to attack the man semi—and another lady formed a ring around the man just to say that we are not savages in this country, that will let the police do their duty and then three minutes later, the fire... the ambulance came for the children and another ambulance and fire officers came for the man on the ground. fire officers came for the man on the ground. live now to our ireland correspondent chris page, in dublin. you had there just how distressing it was for anybody caught up in the incident in dublin city centre this afternoon. we know that five people are being treated in hospital. a
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man, woman and three children and, according to the irish police, called the garda the women and one child, a girl, a seriously injured foot of the man and two other children less seriously injured. the police have said they are not looking for anybody else in connection with this at this time. they have indicated they do not believe this was terrorist related in any way and my colleagues at the irish national broadcaster rte have been saying that it is understood a man attacked a woman. he is now being treated in hospital but he was injured himself and police are waiting to talk to him. so police are saying they are following a definite line of inquiry for the moment, the scene in the city centre remains cordoned off. there is a school nearby and some parents have been allowed to go through the cording to pick up their children. understandably, many people are extremely alarmed and the police say they have been in touch with the parents of the three children who
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have been injured. the irish prime minister, the taoiseach leo said that his thoughts and prayers are with those affected and he's been kept up—to—date and he praised emergency services who are on the scene very quickly indeed. irish justice minister said the attack was shocking and appalling and her thoughts are with, in particular, the three innocent children who have been injured foot of a great deal of shall, if you would expect, and ireland but the capital city, dublin, this afternoon. the police are continuing their investigation. some disruption to traffic in the city centre. the incident happening at a place where a lot of public transport routes can verge. also close to one of dublin's main shopping streets, 0'connell close to one of dublin's main shopping streets, o'connell street. the police say they are not looking for anybody else. they have ruled out terrorism and we are expecting further updates.— further updates. thanks very much indeed. thank _ further updates. thanks very much
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indeed. thank you. _ dutch political leaders are preparing for negotiations to form a coalition government, after the far—right freedom party pulled off a surprise election victory. no party won a majority, but the freedom party's controversial leader, geerd wilders, may now lead negotiations. he stood on a platform of ending immigration and banning the quran. mr wilders says he'll make compromises to find willing coalition partners. anna holligan reports. live now to adriaan schout senior research fellow at the netherlands institute of international relations clingendael. thank you so much for being here in the programme. this was a startling result, wasn't it? it the programme. this was a startling result, wasn't it?— result, wasn't it? it certainly was. we exnected _ result, wasn't it? it certainly was. we expected geerd _ result, wasn't it? it certainly was. we expected geerd wilders - result, wasn't it? it certainly was. j we expected geerd wilders would result, wasn't it? it certainly was. i we expected geerd wilders would be big in the elections but this was really big. i big in the elections but this was reall bi. . ~ ., really big. i will talk about the otential really big. i will talk about the potential for _ really big. i will talk about the potential for forming - really big. i will talk about the potential for forming a - really big. i will talk about the l potential for forming a coalition really big. i will talk about the - potential for forming a coalition or otherwise in a moment but, just for viewers around the world who be watching, just reminded them, some of the controversial things he has said and put forward as policies in the past. said and put forward as policies in the ast. . _,
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said and put forward as policies in the ast. . u, ., ., said and put forward as policies in the ast. ~ _, ., ., the past. welcome he wanted to ban the past. welcome he wanted to ban the koran and _ the past. welcome he wanted to ban the koran and get _ the past. welcome he wanted to ban the koran and get rid _ the past. welcome he wanted to ban the koran and get rid of _ the past. welcome he wanted to ban the koran and get rid of minarets - the past. welcome he wanted to ban the koran and get rid of minarets in l the koran and get rid of minarets in cities and he has been saying things about moroccan society in the netherlands. he has been close to vladimir putin. the first to congratulate him as the prime minister of hungary, underlining that he is part of the extreme right movement in europe. so for a dutch society, known for its tolerance, it is quite a big change to have geerd wilders as potentially prime minister. it wilders as potentially prime minister. , ., , ., . wilders as potentially prime minister. , ., . ., minister. it is not 'ust a lurch to the right. h minister. it is not 'ust a lurch to the right. it _ minister. it is not 'ust a lurch to the right. it is — minister. it is not 'ust a lurch to the right, it is a — minister. it is notjust a lurch to the right, it is a lurch _ minister. it is notjust a lurch to the right, it is a lurch to - minister. it is notjust a lurch to the right, it is a lurch to the - minister. it is notjust a lurch to the right, it is a lurch to the far| the right, it is a lurch to the far right. in terms of that question i mentioned there, his ability to form and fit together a coalition, how do you assess the chances?— and fit together a coalition, how do you assess the chances? well, that is something _
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you assess the chances? well, that is something that _ you assess the chances? well, that is something that we _ you assess the chances? well, that is something that we have - you assess the chances? well, that is something that we have not - you assess the chances? well, that i is something that we have not tested with geerd wilders. he has been very outspoken. he has been harsh, harsh and toned clash on my —— met harsh in manners, but over the past few weeks he was friendly compromises. and that made him acceptable as a prime minister. a potential prime minister. but can he keep that up during the negotiations with other parties? any strike compromises? go along with other parties that don't want his extreme views? we simply do not know. but we do know that, with this outcome, he will have to have a chance of forming a government. because if he is excluded and the parties agree without him, the public feels more left alone and ignored by the politicians so he has to try so it will be very hard. i am doubtful whether it will succeed but who knows? maybe.—
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doubtful whether it will succeed but who knows? maybe. obviously, it is such a change. _ who knows? maybe. obviously, it is such a change, domestically, - who knows? maybe. obviously, it is such a change, domestically, but i such a change, domestically, but also potentially, let see what happens, but potentially it is a massive change internationally, isn't it? because for such a long time the netherlands were allowed to punch above their weight, has been solid voice, dependable voice within the eu, that is about to change, potentially, isn't it? it the eu, that is about to change, potentially, isn't it?— the eu, that is about to change, potentially, isn't it? it might be. at the first _ potentially, isn't it? it might be. at the first thing _ potentially, isn't it? it might be. at the first thing that _ potentially, isn't it? it might be. at the first thing that has - potentially, isn't it? it might be. at the first thing that has to - at the first thing that has to happen is that we need to have a government. so he needs to cooperate with at least two other parties, possibly three, so there will be a coalition agreement which will provide a lot of clarity and the netherlands is fundamentally, that includes also the people who vote for them, includes also the people who vote forthem, it includes also the people who vote for them, it is fundamentally a pro—european country. we may not have a big european budget or big european parliament but we want to have european cooperation. we know our size, we know the importance of
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our size, we know the importance of our economy so he has to really come up our economy so he has to really come up with a convincing turn and get all the parties on board. and then we do have. and there will have to be coalitions in the eu.— be coalitions in the eu. there is so much still to _ be coalitions in the eu. there is so much still to actually _ be coalitions in the eu. there is so much still to actually sort - be coalitions in the eu. there is so much still to actually sort out. - be coalitions in the eu. there is so much still to actually sort out. i i much still to actually sort out. i hate to cut across you but we are out of time. but thank you so much. i am back with more any moment or two. we have seen much more sunshine round today, but it feels very different in different parts of the country. our first weather watcher picture was taken in suffolk, and here it feels mild, temperatures around about 11t degrees in the afternoon. in scotland we are getting more sunshine today. but here, it is getting colder through the afternoon, temperatures around eight degrees in perth. and you can see the temperature contrast that we have north—south across the uk, generally it is mild
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across england and wales, with temperatures typically around 13, but for all of us tomorrow, it is going to be colder, the temperatures are going to be dropping. instead of this westerly wind that most of us are seeing today, we will replace it with more of a north or north—westerly wind, and that is going to drag down the colder weather overnight and into tomorrow, the colder air coming in behind that weather front there, and this is where the weather front is this evening. there is not much rain on it at all, that sinks down to the south—west, clear skies follow, and a few showers into scotland, and those will turn wintry. it could be stormy in shetland as well. frost—wise, overnight it will be coldest, i think, in scotland and the far north, enough cloud elsewhere to keep the temperatures a few degrees above freezing. the cloud we have got in northern ireland, wales and the south—west could produce one or two light showers, but should break up, sunshine coming through. most places will be dry and sunny. we still have showers, mostly of rain in northern scotland and driving down the north sea coasts where the winds are strongest. temperatures wise we are looking at generally into single figures, but it will feel cold
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where the winds are stronger, so northern around eastern scotland, and all the way down these eastern most parts of england we have the strongest of the winds, and so temperatures are going to feel more like one, two or three degrees — a shock to the system. as the winds drop overnight, tomorrow we will get the first widespread frost of the autumn. lowest temperatures will be inland, away from those exposed coasts. numbers could be low as minus five. but for saturday, most places will be dry and sunny. it is not going to be as windy, there won't be as many showers down the north sea coast. there will be more cloud in northern scotland. temperatures again sitting around six or seven degrees. it will feel cold again on sunday but there will be more cloud around.
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this is bbc news, the headlines after weeks of negotiations, qatar says 13 israeli hostages will be released by hamas on friday afternoon. gunshot israel and hamas agree to pause the fighting at 7 in the morning, local time. the world health organisation has officially requested that china provide detailed information on an increase in cases of flu—like
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