tv Newsnight BBC News November 24, 2023 10:30pm-11:01pm GMT
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the israelis include four children, aged two, four, six and nine, as well as an 85—year—old grandmother. but more than 200 hostages still remain in gaza. held by hamas against their will. today palestinian detainees held by israel have now been released in the west bank as part of the deal. they include 2a women and 15 teenage boys. and crucially, a lot of aid has managed to get into gaza following the temporary ceasefire which began early this morning. perhaps a ray of hopein early this morning. perhaps a ray of hope in all the conflict here in the middle east. but first, here's the weather with chris fawkes.
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the bombs stop dropping, and the aid starts to flow. the cessation of hostilities and the exchanges should continue tomorrow and are supposed to last four days, but president biden says he wants them to last longer. a unicef official in gaza tells us tonight the truce must indeed last longer. i have seen more children with most of them have come down from the north, so we will prioritise where the greatest needs are.
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and an update tonight from israel from the family of nine—year—old ohad, who has just been released with his mother and grandmother. my cousin had his ninth birthday in captivity. — my cousin had his ninth birthday in captivity, so i think the only celebration we are going to have soon _ celebration we are going to have soon as— celebration we are going to have soon as we — celebration we are going to have soon as we are going to help him celebrate — soon as we are going to help him celebrate his ninth birthday, spend it with _ celebrate his ninth birthday, spend it with his— celebrate his ninth birthday, spend it with his family and have a big celebration for him. notjust a newspaper and a magazine, but the beating heart of the conservative establishment — the telegraph and the spectator are on course to be controlled by a fund backed by the abu dhabi royal family. will the government intervene? and after a week of tax cuts, record migration figures and middling economic forecasts, our newsnight panel tries to divine where the politics and economics will take the country in the yearahead. good evening. it's not peace, it's not a ceasefire. but today we have had a temporary truce that has led to the first vignettes of relief and joy for the families of women
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and children, israeli hostages and palestinian prisoners, released today in a deal brokered by the gulf state of qatar. the bombs and the guns have largely fallen silent. dozens of trucks of aid have poured into southern gaza from across the border in egypt. president biden said this was just the start. the foreign secretary, lord cameron, in the west bank, told the bbc that civilian casualties in gaza were too high. is this a change of tone that could stop the war? the israelis and hamas say not. hamas is a group prescribed by many western governments as a terrorist organisation, including the uk. but we will hear from the un in gaza in a moment, saying the truce must be extended amid a shocking humanitarian crisis on the ground, and from israeli families welcoming the return of some relatives as they await those left behind. but first, here's mark with the latest. the first glimpses of those being freed in gaza
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as they came through the border post into egypt. children, mothers, elderly women and a group of thai workers also swept up in october's kidnapping. ajoyous moment for some, inspiring hope for others. and on the west bank, the release of 39 palestinian teens and women, an exchange that each side now tries to portray to its advantage — hamas that its actions have freed detainees, and israel that the dire setback of the kidnapping has been addressed by military action. israel is under pressure from hamas, there's no question. but in this case, we're looking for who can put pressure on hamas. and we see two different ways. one, the countries that can pressure them, like qatar, like egypt, and in this case, also the military pressure from my perspective. there is no question that
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the only reason they agreed now to this agreement and this is a pause to let out the... as they'll put it, the women and children, in that sense, that they took in the most brutal manner on october 7th. but to let them out, they did so because of the military pressure. harsh military pressure is not pretty. and as the ceasefire came in this morning, increased shipments of aid started flowing from egypt into the strip. 200 trucks came through today. we hope that this humanitarian pause leads to a longer term humanitarian ceasefire for the benefit of the people of gaza, israel and beyond. and that's the hope for the aid agencies, that the initial four—day truce can be extended and a higher flow of aid will continue, even if the truce breaks down. for the million or so who fled to the south of the strip, thoughts today of going home.
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translation: my wish | is to return to gaza city. i hope i can reach it. we're tired of living here. it's suffocating. we don't know if our homes still stand, but we hope so. we'll have a place to live. but as hundreds try to use the truce to head back to the north, israeli troops barred the way, and there were clashes. it all underlined the fragile nature of the current pause and the knowledge that israel is far from finished with the business of hunting the palestinian groups responsible for 7th october. if we stop, the war has not stopped. it means that hamas, as a terror organisation, rule the gaza strip, continue to hold hostages, continue to play with them as bargaining chips. that can't continue for anybody. we will continue in our ground operation against hamas after this stage. and as both sides redeployed during today's ceasefire, a fear that they'll be readying themselves for the next round. today's deal is seeing a repositioning
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in information—war terms as well. hamas starting the release of those whose abduction was the hardest to justify, and israel accepting that a substantially greater flow of humanitarian aid is a necessary response to its allies, alarmed at the impact of its military actions. tonight, the end of an ordeal for some and the likelihood that dozens more will be released during the next three days. in the west bank, the returnees were greeted as heroes, and some even praised hamas leaders. even if further swamps go ahead, this conflict is in abeyance rather than resolved. we will hear from the family of an israeii _ we will hear from the family of an israeli hostage that has returned in
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a moment— israeli hostage that has returned in a moment but israeli hostage that has returned in a moment , . , israeli hostage that has returned in a moment, ., , , a moment but early i spoke with the unicef chief — a moment but early i spoke with the unicef chief of _ a moment but early i spoke with the unicef chief of communications - a moment but early i spoke with the j unicef chief of communications were entered gaza yesterday, he told me the story of omar, a young boy who has lost his family since the conflict began, and i asked how much aid has reached desperate communities in the past 2a hours. the most humanitarian aid since they started on the 7th of october, so hundred and 29,000 litres of fuel, more than any other day, and it needs to continue, that is the clearest message, we cannot be talking about this for four or five days and then go back to the death and destruction and injuries to children i have seen all day. so it is a very good start, it needs to continue, and thenjust is a very good start, it needs to continue, and then just to is a very good start, it needs to continue, and thenjust to keep continuing, because this pause needs to turn into a humanitarian ceasefire. to turn into a humanitarian ceasefire-— to turn into a humanitarian ceasefire. ., ., , . , ., ceasefire. how realistic is it that ou can ceasefire. how realistic is it that you can get _ ceasefire. how realistic is it that you can get some _ ceasefire. how realistic is it that you can get some of— ceasefire. how realistic is it that you can get some of this - ceasefire. how realistic is it that you can get some of this aid - ceasefire. how realistic is it that you can get some of this aid to i ceasefire. how realistic is it that i you can get some of this aid to the north, given that it is still what
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the israeli army says is a war zone? yeah, we are well aware of where the needs are, and where i am in south gaza, it is quite extraordinary to see how many children are sick because their parents have no choice but to give them water that is unclean or salty, how people are crammed, faisal, to see adolescent girls queueing for hours and ijust to get to a bathroom. that is in the south, we know the bombardment that has happened there, i have seen more children with wounds of war that i have seen in any of my days with unicef, and most have come down from the north. so we will prioritise where the greatest needs are, and thatis where the greatest needs are, and that is the north. find where the greatest needs are, and that is the north.— where the greatest needs are, and that is the north. and what are the conditions that _ that is the north. and what are the conditions that you _ that is the north. and what are the conditions that you are _ that is the north. and what are the conditions that you are seeing - conditions that you are seeing around in the south of gaza right now? clearly, there hasn't been the same intensity of military attack has in the north, but what are you saying around you where you are now in south gaza?— in south gaza? faisal, it is like fear and sorrow _ in south gaza? faisal, it is like
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fear and sorrow have _ in south gaza? faisal, it is like fear and sorrow have become, | in south gaza? faisal, it is like - fear and sorrow have become, you know, they have taken root in everything. today i wanted to listen to people, and i must have spoken to dozens of people. i don't think i spoke to a single person who hadn't lost a loved one, from a little seven—year—old boy who, when he was in his family home and it was bombed, his father was killed, his mother killed, his seven—year—old twin was killed, and he was quite articulate, but hejust twin was killed, and he was quite articulate, but he just shut his eyes for moments on end, and i asked his aunt why he does that, and she explained that he does that because he is so fearful of forgetting what his parents looked like, so he closes his eyes to see them. whether it is people are desperately overcrowded or sleeping outside, sleeping in cars that are bombed out, children's with burns on their bodies, or little boys like omar whose story are just described, this is the situation for people in the south, and as you rightly point out,
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it is probably much worse for those trapped in the north. and it is probably much worse for those trapped in the north.— it is probably much worse for those trapped in the north. and the people ou are trapped in the north. and the people you are talking _ trapped in the north. and the people you are talking to, _ trapped in the north. and the people you are talking to, perhaps - trapped in the north. and the people you are talking to, perhaps you - you are talking to, perhaps you yourself, you mentioned this as a four day truce that has been negotiated, are they anticipating, hopeful, finding expectation that it will be longer than four days? it is will be longer than four days? it is a very unusual _ will be longer than four days? it 3 a very unusual look in a parent's eyes when they feel they can no longer protect their child or provide them with safe water. i felt, initially talking with people, that there was a sense of optimism. once i sat and listened to them,
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they felt the last thing was being taken away from them, and that is hope. the international community's job is to ensure they don't lose that hope, that only comes through actions, through aid, through safety, through keeping the ceasefire, but i think they are very tuned into the realities of their world and very fearful that this is four or five days of respite, a respite when many people are looking for loved ones to bury them, and they are very fearful, faisal, that they are very fearful, faisal, that the bombardment will start again. we must leave it there, thank you so much forjoining us from southern gaza, where you have been helping with relief efforts. four members of his family were kidnapped by hamas, and he was anxiously waiting for any news as there was movement towards a possible release of hostages. today, some good news for him and his family. his cousin keren and keren�*s son, ohad, aged nine, a rubik's cube prodigy who has become a totem of the hostage freedom campaign, were both released. keren�*s mother, 78—year—old ruthi, was also freed. the family featured prominently in hamas video of the handing over of hostages to the red cross. but keren�*s husband avram remains a hostage. i caught up with itie earlier this evening and asked him how he felt with some of his family now on their way home. my aunt ruthi, cousin keren, and her son ohad
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were released from hamas captivity tonight. they are making their way now to israeli hospitals, to family. this is very exciting. however, we cannot be completely happy, because my uncle, avram, is still there, along with over 200 israeli hostages. and just describe the emotions in hearing that news about your aunt and your cousin and her son. well, it's really exciting news. we learnt about it yesterday, when israel said the list of hostages that were due to be released. we couldn't believe it until we saw it with our own eyes, the ambulances and all the buses making their way home. this is truly, well, it's very exciting. we are still scared and worried
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about avram, again, but this is one step towards being happy. and so have you or yourfamily had the chance to speak to ruthi or keren or ohad? no, not yet, only some members of the family, so keren�*s partner did, but that is it yet. we will have time in the next few days, i hope, to speak with them, see how they are doing. i'm sure people will want to hear about the story when you talk to them, but as you said, your uncle avram is still being held in gaza, have you been given any update on that at all? no, we have not. again, the red cross has not visited any of the hostages. my uncle, he needs to take medicines daily, he walks with a cane, needs glasses. i don't know how he's doing, if he is alive or not even. so we're still in the dark regarding him.
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and i hope we get some news soon. it must be a bittersweet moment for you, that you have this relief about three members of your family, but the ordeal is not over yet. yeah, exactly, and again they have to get into reality now, they're going to learn what happened exactly on october 7th, and another family member, keren�*s brother, was murdered on october 7th, and they're going to learn that, in addition to what happened to their kibbutz, where they were abducted from, and what happened to many of their friends and family. so we're happy that they're back, but it's still a very, very horrific reality. so not a night for celebrations, perhaps, but maybe a night for a little bit of hope. yes, a little bit, and my cousin ohad had his ninth birthday
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in captivity, so i think the only celebration that we're going to have soon is working to celebrate his ninth birthday with his family, and now we are going to have a big celebration for him with all the friends and family. after he gets into the new reality, i don't know how a nine—year—old comes back after 50 days in the hands of a terrorist organisation, i hope he does well. do you think your government has done all it can to get your relatives back? i think now was proven that they did some stuff, you know, to get my family back, because some of my family is back, and i hope they continue doing the same thing. i don't know exactly what's going on behind the scenes, because i'm not a politician not a military person. but if they were able to bring three of my family members, i hope that they are able to get my fourth family member and, again, the 200 other hostages who are still there, held by hamas in gaza. ok, well, it's nice to hear a bit of good news, so thanks very much for sharing that with us,
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and all the best, and i hope you see your uncle and he returns soon too. yeah, thank you. the telegraph and spectator are more than words printed on paper. they are the very heart of conservative politics in britain, and specifically at the heart of the specific type of conservative politics that has ruled britain especially over most of the past five years. at times the two institutions with a combined history of 361 years have served as finishing schools for conservative cabinet ministers, incubating careers from nigel lawson to kemi badenoch and most famously of course, borisjohnson. the house journals of the conservative membership are now in the process of being sold, having been essentially repossessed by lloyds bank. and the deal agreed would see ownership transferred to a fund backed by a former top cnn boss and a fund controlled by the abu dhabi royal family. some tory mps are not happy and want an intervention.
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here'sjoe. the media mogul wacky races for the telegraph and spectator is well under way. those reportedly linked with the sales include... rupert murdoch's news uk. lord rothermere, owner of the daily mail. paul marshall, the hedge fund millionaire who's got a big stake in gb news. and sheikh mansour bin zyed al nahyan, via his company international media investments. he's the vice president of the united arab emirates and also the owner of manchester city fc. last year they won the treble and now he has his eyes on a different trophy asset. in this takeover battle, his team are the favourites. but the uk government seems likely to call for a var check. some tory mps have raised concerns about a foreign investor buying an influential newspaper. and culture secretary lucy frazer says she is minded to issue what's called a public
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interest intervention notice. basically refer the deal to the media regulator, ofcom. and possibly also the competition and markets authority. that review could take months. matthew hedges knows the uae well. he's an academic who was arrested there during a research trip. i was tortured and i was forced to sign a confession stating i was a spy. i was sentenced to life imprisonment for this. and this was simply for undertaking legitimate academic research. so these titles will lose their independence and their ability to critically engage within a democratic state, to be able to help british society and the world discuss issues, this is because if you are funded by another
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state, by a foreign state, you don't want to bite the hand that feeds. sheikh mansour is working with a company run by former cnn bossjeff zucker on his bid. mr zucker argues the sheikh's company would only be a passive investor. he has accused rivals of mud slinging and told the financial times this... and some argue other newspaper groups have an agenda. what they tried to do now is very simple. they are trying to blow the bit out of the water. trying to scare them off. trying to scare off sheikh mansour and abu dhabi. and everything they printed the moment
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will be seen all of the well, this is being studied in great detail, i'm sure part of the question is, will it be enough to scare them off? journalist in london and uk ought to be very pleased that somebody like sheikh mansour wants to invest in newspapers. he clearly sees an upside in the telegraph assets, which a lot of other people don't. although david yelland does point out he is a man city fan. the eccentric and reclusive barclay brothers bought the telegraph and spectator almost 20 years ago. now their family's debts mean they have no choice but to sell. this is a battle between multi—millionaires and billionaires. they are fighting to buy a slice of the british establishment, not just another yacht. so don't expect plain sailing. it's friday — its been a week of numbers. numbers that could cast quite the political shadow over a pre—election year. or will it be a year? taxes cut, but the overall burden rising. growth downgraded. inflation upgraded. migration at a record. the possible return to osborne era austerity in unprotected spending.
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so we convened our own official independent forecasters on a newsnight panel with a smattering of both politics and economics. joining us now — carys roberts, executive director at the institute for public policy research, a centre—left think tank. soumaya keynes, economist columnist at the financial times. and kate andrews, the spectator�*s economics editor. where do we start? kate, an easy one for you. a good week, but week four the chancellor and prime minister? i the chancellor and prime minister? i think they probably think it's a good week. one of the best headlines they have had since i remember. i think the real takeaway from the autumn statement for them is not any individual measure. yes, the national insurance cut is significant from 12% to 10%, but i think the real story is that they have changed their narrative on tax cuts because for the past year,
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since the mini budget last year, tax cuts has been dirty words even within the tory party. they whisper it because if you mention it, people say, don't you remember what happened last time? jeremy hunt to that additionalfiscal happened last time? jeremy hunt to that additional fiscal headroom and said, i'm going to put almost all of this on tax cuts and show you can do this on tax cuts and show you can do this in a responsible way that doesn't speak —— spook the bond market. and i think this is a changing moment for the labour party, the country say they have to be fiscally responsible, they have to start thinking about cutting tax. jeremy hunt was saying just last month... i jeremy hunt was saying 'ust last month... . , jeremy hunt was saying 'ust last month... ., , ,.,,.,_ jeremy hunt was saying 'ust last month... ., , , , ~ month... i agree they probably think the have month... i agree they probably think they have been _ month... i agree they probably think they have been a _ month... i agree they probably think they have been a good _ month... i agree they probably think they have been a good week. - month... i agree they probably think they have been a good week. it's - they have been a good week. it's been _ they have been a good week. it's been difficult for the conservative government is that the economic fundamentals are still looking very bad for— fundamentals are still looking very bad for the majority... what what they will— bad for the majority... what what they will be a forecast? exactly. looking — they will be a forecast? exactly. looking at — they will be a forecast? exactly. looking at the tax cut for example. the average worker willjust be getting — the average worker willjust be getting about £5 per week from that.
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compared _ getting about £5 per week from that. compared to the cost of living increases _ compared to the cost of living increases we've seen, i think this could _ increases we've seen, i think this could feel— increases we've seen, i think this could feel quite small. i also think they did _ could feel quite small. i also think they did this trick of kicking the can down— they did this trick of kicking the can down the road and scheduling with the _ can down the road and scheduling with the deep cuts for the next parliament. i think that looks quite short— parliament. i think that looks quite short term — parliament. i think that looks quite short term and it is something that conservatives will to.— conservatives will to. soumaya, where does _ conservatives will to. soumaya, where does this _ conservatives will to. soumaya, where does this leave _ conservatives will to. soumaya, where does this leave you? - conservatives will to. soumaya, where does this leave you? i'm| where does this leave you? i'm robabl where does this leave you? i'm probably more _ where does this leave you? i'm probably more on the side of carys. i probably more on the side of carys. i think— probably more on the side of carys. i think the _ probably more on the side of carys. i think the narrative _ probably more on the side of carys. i think the narrative is— probably more on the side of carys. i think the narrative is definitely- i think the narrative is definitely different — i think the narrative is definitely different. we _ i think the narrative is definitely different. we do _ i think the narrative is definitely different. we do have _ i think the narrative is definitely different. we do have these - i think the narrative is definitely different. we do have these tax| i think the narrative is definitely- different. we do have these tax cuts that he _ different. we do have these tax cuts that he was — different. we do have these tax cuts that he was finally— different. we do have these tax cuts that he was finally able _ different. we do have these tax cuts that he was finally able to _ different. we do have these tax cuts that he was finally able to throw- different. we do have these tax cuts that he was finally able to throw a l that he was finally able to throw a bone to— that he was finally able to throw a bone to some quite _ bone to some quite irate backbenchers. _ bone to some quite irate backbenchers. but - bone to some quite irate backbenchers. but the l bone to some quite irate - backbenchers. but the reality is, income — backbenchers. but the reality is, income tax — backbenchers. but the reality is, income tax is _ backbenchers. but the reality is, income tax is also _ backbenchers. but the reality is, income tax is also going - backbenchers. but the reality is, income tax is also going to - backbenchers. but the reality is, income tax is also going to be i income tax is also going to be rising — income tax is also going to be rising the _ income tax is also going to be rising. the thresholds - income tax is also going to be rising. the thresholds for- income tax is also going to be i rising. the thresholds for income tax are _ rising. the thresholds for income tax are going _ rising. the thresholds for income tax are going to— rising. the thresholds for income tax are going to be _ rising. the thresholds for income tax are going to be frozen - rising. the thresholds for income tax are going to be frozen for- rising. the thresholds for income tax are going to be frozen for the next _ tax are going to be frozen for the next few — tax are going to be frozen for the next few years _ tax are going to be frozen for the next few years and _ tax are going to be frozen for the next few years and that - tax are going to be frozen for the next few years and that is - tax are going to be frozen for the next few years and that is going i tax are going to be frozen for the. next few years and that is going to offset _ next few years and that is going to offset any— next few years and that is going to offset any benefits _ next few years and that is going to offset any benefits that _ next few years and that is going to offset any benefits that people - next few years and that is going to| offset any benefits that people feel from national— offset any benefits that people feel from national insurance. _ offset any benefits that people feel from national insurance. so - offset any benefits that people feel from national insurance. so there. offset any benefits that people feell from national insurance. so there is a difference — from national insurance. so there is a difference between _ from national insurance. so there is a difference between the _ from national insurance. so there is a difference between the narrative l a difference between the narrative and the _ a difference between the narrative and the reality— a difference between the narrative
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and the reality of— a difference between the narrative and the reality of what's _ a difference between the narrative and the reality of what's going - a difference between the narrative and the reality of what's going to i and the reality of what's going to happen— and the reality of what's going to happen over— and the reality of what's going to happen over the _ and the reality of what's going to happen over the next _ and the reality of what's going to happen over the next few- and the reality of what's going to i happen over the next few months, usually— happen over the next few months, usually the — happen over the next few months, usually the national— happen over the next few months, usually the national insurance - happen over the next few months, usually the national insurance cut| usually the national insurance cut is going _ usually the national insurance cut is going to — usually the national insurance cut is going to happen— usually the national insurance cut is going to happen in— usually the national insurance cut is going to happen injanuary- usually the national insurance cut is going to happen injanuary so . is going to happen injanuary so maybe — is going to happen injanuary so maybe people _ is going to happen injanuary so maybe people will— is going to happen injanuary so maybe people will notice - is going to happen injanuary so maybe people will notice that l is going to happen injanuary so - maybe people will notice that more than the _ maybe people will notice that more than the threshold _ maybe people will notice that more than the threshold is _ maybe people will notice that more than the threshold is changing. - maybe people will notice that more than the threshold is changing. butj than the threshold is changing. but one of— than the threshold is changing. but one of the — than the threshold is changing. but one of the obr _ than the threshold is changing. but one of the obr forecasts _ than the threshold is changing. but one of the obr forecasts was - than the threshold is changing. but one of the obr forecasts was that i one of the obr forecasts was that real household _ one of the obr forecasts was that real household disposable - one of the obr forecasts was that real household disposable incomej one of the obr forecasts was that . real household disposable income is going _ real household disposable income is going to _ real household disposable income is going to be — real household disposable income is going to be falling _ real household disposable income is going to be falling over— real household disposable income is going to be falling over the - real household disposable income is going to be falling over the next- going to be falling over the next year. _ going to be falling over the next year. that's— going to be falling over the next year, that's not— going to be falling over the next year, that's not good _ going to be falling over the next year, that's not good to - going to be falling over the next year, that's not good to feel- going to be falling over the next. year, that's not good to feel good and that's— year, that's not good to feel good and that's going _ year, that's not good to feel good and that's going to _ year, that's not good to feel good and that's going to really- year, that's not good to feel good and that's going to really push - and that's going to really push against — and that's going to really push against any— and that's going to really push against any narrative - and that's going to really push against any narrative that - and that's going to really push against any narrative that thel against any narrative that the conservatives _ against any narrative that the conservatives attempt - against any narrative that the conservatives attempt whichl against any narrative that the. conservatives attempt which is against any narrative that the - conservatives attempt which is that they are _ conservatives attempt which is that they are making _ conservatives attempt which is that they are making feel— conservatives attempt which is that they are making feel better- conservatives attempt which is that they are making feel better off. - conservatives attempt which is that they are making feel better off. sol they are making feel better off. fl: kate, they are making feel better off. kate, you think if you are the shadow chancellor looking back over this week, it does affect what you can do with the sort of decisions you are going to make with the manifesto? i you are going to make with the manifesto?— you are going to make with the manifesto? ,, , ., , ., manifesto? i think it is a bit more tricky because _ manifesto? i think it is a bit more tricky because they _ manifesto? i think it is a bit more tricky because they will _ manifesto? i think it is a bit more tricky because they will have - manifesto? i think it is a bit more tricky because they will have to i tricky because they will have to decide, whether to parties —— a privatised tax cuts or fill holes in public spending and you might not be able to do both. the tories have made clear they are going to focus on tax cuts and represents a question to labour, but to be clear, i agree with that the narrative of the reality or not the same. i think the reality or not the same. i think the tax cuts are focused on jobs and
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the tax cuts are focused on jobs and the economy. we want more business investment. but by freezing these tax thresholds, as you say, people are going to be dropped into higher rates of tax and this means that the tax doesn't change, even without cuts, the overall tax burden, we are still on track for post—war high. so the tories have to be careful. they have tweeting out that they have been cutting tax, that's just what they do as conservatives, well, not quite. it they do as conservatives, well, not uuite. ., quite. it might not gel with --eole's quite. it might not gel with people's experience. - quite. it might not gel with people's experience. next| quite. it might not gel with - people's experience. next year eo - le people's experience. next year people are _ people's experience. next year people are feeling _ people's experience. next year people are feeling poorer, - people's experience. next year people are feeling poorer, and | people's experience. next year l people are feeling poorer, and of course efficient to store back to target, prices are still going up, people might not bite. so target, prices are still going up, people might not bite.— target, prices are still going up, people might not bite. so its rachel reeves boxed in _ people might not bite. so its rachel reeves boxed in terms _ people might not bite. so its rachel reeves boxed in terms of _ people might not bite. so its rachel reeves boxed in terms of this - reeves boxed in terms of this question was meant to her, you are going to have to stick to conservative spending plans from 1996 to 97 on repeat but these are now very sharp, we are turning to the osborne era chris lee is a
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difficult situation for any government. i actually think it's right that rachel re—double reeds haven't really set a watch is good to do because she doesn't know what kind of economy she will inherit. it is getting a bit closer now. it is. is getting a bit closer now. it is, the do is getting a bit closer now. it is, they do have — is getting a bit closer now. it is, they do have to _ is getting a bit closer now. it is, they do have to be _ is getting a bit closer now. it is, they do have to be thinking - is getting a bit closer now. it is, they do have to be thinking about it, they do have to be thinking about it. all— they do have to be thinking about it. all the — they do have to be thinking about it, all the parties are going to have — it, all the parties are going to have a — it, all the parties are going to have a serious plan for public services _ have a serious plan for public services. we have crumbling schools, people _ services. we have crumbling schools, people who _ services. we have crumbling schools, people who can't rely on getting to the doctor — people who can't rely on getting to the doctor. we need a serious plan for public— the doctor. we need a serious plan for public services. do the doctor. we need a serious plan for public services.— for public services. do you seriously _ for public services. do you seriously think _ for public services. do you seriously think that - for public services. do you seriously think that she i for public services. do you i seriously think that she could for public services. do you - seriously think that she could sign up seriously think that she could sign up to the concept of unprotected departments have a 30% cut over the next parliament, public investment at 24% cut? is there any chance that labour signs up to that are at 2496 cut? is there any chance that labour signs up to tha— labour signs up to that are not in the mind of— labour signs up to that are not in the mind of rachel _ labour signs up to that are not in the mind of rachel reeves, - labour signs up to that are not in the mind of rachel reeves, i - the mind of rachel reeves, i certainly— the mind of rachel reeves, i certainly don't think she should be because _ certainly don't think she should be because i— certainly don't think she should be because i think public services are in a real— because i think public services are in a real state. i think we need to have _ in a real state. i think we need to have a _ in a real state. i think we need to have a proper conversation about tax and how _ have a proper conversation about tax and how we — have a proper conversation about tax and how we found that.—
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have a proper conversation about tax and how we found that. soumaya, some other figures — and how we found that. soumaya, some other figures on — and how we found that. soumaya, some other figures on migration, _ and how we found that. soumaya, some other figures on migration, how- and how we found that. soumaya, some other figures on migration, how do - otherfigures on migration, how do you think that's changed the government's mood? the you think that's changed the government's mood? the news story was much higher— government's mood? the news story was much higher migration _ government's mood? the news story was much higher migration numbers| was much higher migration numbers than the _ was much higher migration numbers than the conservative _ was much higher migration numbers than the conservative government . than the conservative government wanted _ than the conservative government wanted there _ than the conservative government wanted. there has _ than the conservative government wanted. there has been _ than the conservative government wanted. there has been this- than the conservative government . wanted. there has been this tension between _ wanted. there has been this tension between the — wanted. there has been this tension between the headline _ wanted. there has been this tension between the headline so our- between the headline so our stated objective _ between the headline so our stated objective of— between the headline so our stated objective of the _ between the headline so our stated objective of the conservatives. - between the headline so our stated objective of the conservatives. if. objective of the conservatives. if you look— objective of the conservatives. if you look at — objective of the conservatives. if you look at the _ objective of the conservatives. if you look at the data, _ objective of the conservatives. if you look at the data, there - objective of the conservatives. if you look at the data, there has. objective of the conservatives. if- you look at the data, there has been a bi- you look at the data, there has been a big increase — you look at the data, there has been a big increase in _ you look at the data, there has been a big increase in the _ you look at the data, there has been a big increase in the numbers- you look at the data, there has been a big increase in the numbers of- a big increase in the numbers of people — a big increase in the numbers of people coming _ a big increase in the numbers of people coming to _ a big increase in the numbers of people coming to work - a big increase in the numbers of people coming to work in - a big increase in the numbers of people coming to work in health a big increase in the numbers of- people coming to work in health and social— people coming to work in health and social care for — people coming to work in health and social care for when _ people coming to work in health and social care for when you _ people coming to work in health and social care for when you ask - people coming to work in health and social care for when you ask voters i social care for when you ask voters about _ social care for when you ask voters about that. — social care for when you ask voters about that, sure, _ social care for when you ask voters about that, sure, they _ social care for when you ask voters about that, sure, they are - social care for when you ask voters about that, sure, they are up- social care for when you ask voters about that, sure, they are up for. about that, sure, they are up for people _ about that, sure, they are up for people coming _ about that, sure, they are up for people coming to _ about that, sure, they are up for people coming to work - about that, sure, they are up for people coming to work in - about that, sure, they are up for people coming to work in the - about that, sure, they are up for. people coming to work in the nhs about that, sure, they are up for- people coming to work in the nhs and social— people coming to work in the nhs and social care _ people coming to work in the nhs and social care. obviously, _ people coming to work in the nhs and social care. obviously, though, - people coming to work in the nhs and social care. obviously, though, the i social care. obviously, though, the political— social care. obviously, though, the political reality— social care. obviously, though, the political reality of— social care. obviously, though, the political reality of this _ social care. obviously, though, the political reality of this is _ social care. obviously, though, the political reality of this is the - political reality of this is the thing — political reality of this is the thing that— political reality of this is the thing that politicians - political reality of this is the thing that politicians will - political reality of this is the | thing that politicians will say political reality of this is the i thing that politicians will say is that it's — thing that politicians will say is that it's too _ thing that politicians will say is that it's too high _ thing that politicians will say is that it's too high and _ thing that politicians will say is that it's too high and it's - thing that politicians will say is that it's too high and it's a - that it's too high and it's a problem. _ that it's too high and it's a problem, there _ that it's too high and it's a problem, there have - that it's too high and it's a problem, there have been that it's too high and it's a - problem, there have been some that it's too high and it's a _ problem, there have been some news reports _ problem, there have been some news reports that _ problem, there have been some news reports that there _ problem, there have been some news reports that there are _ problem, there have been some news reports that there are proposals - reports that there are proposals being _ reports that there are proposals being considered _ reports that there are proposals being considered to _ reports that there are proposals being considered to try- reports that there are proposals being considered to try and - reports that there are proposals being considered to try and cutl reports that there are proposals i being considered to try and cut the numbers — being considered to try and cut the numbers. ~ being considered to try and cut the numbers. ,, ., ,., numbers. thinking about the manifestos, _ numbers. thinking about the manifestos, with _ numbers. thinking about the manifestos, with the - numbers. thinking about the | manifestos, with the number
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numbers. thinking about the i manifestos, with the number of 670,000 last year, what even begin to... the conservatives can begin to think about cutting having seen those numbers...— think about cutting having seen those numbers... they will almost certainly promise _ those numbers... they will almost certainly promise anything. - those numbers... they will almost certainly promise anything. it i those numbers... they will almost certainly promise anything. it is i certainly promise anything. it is almost as if these promises you have almost as if these promises you have a tory party had a labour party who think that are too high. the difficulty for both of them is taking issue with the headline figure and it is at record highs. if you break down maggots who are coming, do not want the students, do you want the refugees? do not want the workers, do you not on the health and social workers in the tech workers? the borisjohnson reforms increased the number of net migrants, but there is the issue that many voters have, which is are you paying in more than you are taking out? if you look the current
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