in place for two days, we are optimistic that we can work towards a more sustainable pause between both sides. you have to remember that there is a lot of lack of information over the hostages, over the situation on the ground there in relation to the hostages, their numbers, their status. 11 hostages had been released, three french citizens, two germans and six argentines. also including two three—year—old twins. 33 palestinians will be freed from israeli prisons including 30 minors. mark regev, senior adviser to the israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, told me earlier that they wouldn't be able to agree to a change in the truce terms. i think we can't agree i to such a slippery slope, because the minute we agree . to eight, yes, then it'll be down

to six and then five and then four. we know who we're dealing with. we're dealing with a ruthless - and fanatical terror organisation. we saw the sort of violence - that they committed against innocent civilians on october 7th. and just tonight in the people | released i've received the list, there are two three—year—old twins. yes? who kidnaps three—year—olds? only a brutal, ruthless terrorist organisation. | so we have few illusions - about who we're dealing with. but as president biden| said on friday, he said, "hamas understands one thing and that's pressure." - thank you for coming on the programme. external pressure building from the us and un for a longer extension. mark expects ten hostages for everyday letters but i wonder the longer this goes on the harder it becomes for the israeli

government. it’s harder it becomes for the israeli government-— harder it becomes for the israeli covernment. �*, . , , government. it's a pretty impossible situation. good _ government. it's a pretty impossible situation. good to _ government. it's a pretty impossible situation. good to see _ government. it's a pretty impossible situation. good to see you. - government. it's a pretty impossible situation. good to see you. i - government. it's a pretty impossible situation. good to see you. i would i situation. good to see you. i would ask you how your thanksgiving was but that's not your thing. i was workin: but that's not your thing. i was working sadly. _ but that's not your thing. i was working sadly. not _ but that's not your thing. i was working sadly. not much - but that's not your thing. i was working sadly. not much to . but that's not your thing. i was. working sadly. not much to give thanks for but thank you anyway. it's any profitable situation, on the one hand they desperately need to get these hostages out of gaza where conditions are pretty spotty. that's not a clear list of who is they are exactly and if israel is going to complete its military operation against hamas, they hostages need to be out of there and so getting them out, when is realistic to get them out, that is the dilemma they have and of course the dilemma they have and of course the emitted states very much want our citizens out, we had one little girl come out, a number of others up to ten are still there and the president is rightly insisting the

president is rightly insisting the president get more out. i wish we saw more. i president get more out. i wish we saw more-— president get more out. i wish we saw more. . ,., . saw more. i made the point in that interview that _ saw more. i made the point in that interview that there _ saw more. i made the point in that interview that there must - saw more. i made the point in that interview that there must be - saw more. i made the point in that interview that there must be a - saw more. i made the point in that interview that there must be a real risk that hamas wants to maintain their average, they are going to change the price, demanding three or four, orthey change the price, demanding three or four, or they want more palestinian prisoners. then the israeli government have a decision to make. how do you say to other families a day of truce is not worth three or four hostages?— day of truce is not worth three or four hostages? absolutely, you are sot on four hostages? absolutely, you are spot on asking _ four hostages? absolutely, you are spot on asking that _ four hostages? absolutely, you are spot on asking that because - four hostages? absolutely, you are spot on asking that because it's - spot on asking that because it's almost — spot on asking that because it's almost certainly what hamas will do. this is— almost certainly what hamas will do. this is using — almost certainly what hamas will do. this is using terror, playing with the lives — this is using terror, playing with the lives of— this is using terror, playing with the lives of innocents and children and eventually the israeli government is going to find itself in a difficult spot. benjamin netanyahu is in a trap between the demands— netanyahu is in a trap between the demands of family to get hostages back demands of family to get hostages hack and _ demands of family to get hostages back and his military warning the longer— back and his military warning the longer they give hamas to regroup the harder—

longer they give hamas to regroup the harder to persecute the world they intend to restart. there are great _ they intend to restart. there are great pressures on him and you have -ot great pressures on him and you have got to— great pressures on him and you have got to hope — great pressures on him and you have got to hope that behind—the—scenes may he _ got to hope that behind—the—scenes may be with the qataris and americans, people are thinking about what the _ americans, people are thinking about what the region should hold because at the _ what the region should hold because at the moment there is a grim inevitability that we are putting off the — inevitability that we are putting off the resumption of hostilities with no— off the resumption of hostilities with no sign of any kind of longer term _ with no sign of any kind of longer term solution in place.— term solution in place. let's get the thought _ term solution in place. let's get the thought of— term solution in place. let's get the thought of someone - term solution in place. let's get the thought of someone who . term solution in place. let's get| the thought of someone who has term solution in place. let's get i the thought of someone who has a major stake in this. we are joined now by iftah celniker, he is the manager of kibbutz be'eri, where 12 of the israeli hostages that we know were released so far were abducted. thank you for coming on the programme. what do you know about the 11 programme. what do you know about the ii hostages? is there anyone on the ii hostages? is there anyone on the list you recognise? mat. the 11 hostages? is there anyone on the list you recognise?— the list you recognise? not, no unfortunately _ the list you recognise? not, no unfortunately not. _ the list you recognise? not, no unfortunately not. they - the list you recognise? not, no unfortunately not. they are - the list you recognise? not, no. unfortunately not. they are from the list you recognise? not, no - unfortunately not. they are from the quhits _ unfortunately not. they are from the quhits next _ unfortunately not. they are from the quhits next to — unfortunately not. they are from the qubits next to us. _ unfortunately not. they are from the qubits next to us. another— unfortunately not. they are from the qubits next to us. another 70 - unfortunately not. they are from the| qubits next to us. another 70 people

abducted _ qubits next to us. another 70 people abducted by— qubits next to us. another 70 people abducted by hamas _ qubits next to us. another 70 people abducted by hamas terrorists - qubits next to us. another 70 people abducted by hamas terrorists but - abducted by hamas terrorists but unfortunately _ abducted by hamas terrorists but unfortunately we _ abducted by hamas terrorists but unfortunately we have _ abducted by hamas terrorists but unfortunately we have another. abducted by hamas terrorists but| unfortunately we have another 40 members — unfortunately we have another 40 members of — unfortunately we have another 40 members of our _ unfortunately we have another 40 members of our community- unfortunately we have another 40 members of our community still. unfortunately we have another 40 i members of our community still held in captivity— members of our community still held in captivity in — members of our community still held in captivity in gaza. _ members of our community still held in captivity in gaza. no— members of our community still held in captivity in gaza. no sign- members of our community still held in captivity in gaza. no sign of- in captivity in gaza. no sign of them — in captivity in gaza. no sign of them at — in captivity in gaza. no sign of them at this— in captivity in gaza. no sign of them at this point. _ in captivity in gaza. no sign of them at this point.— in captivity in gaza. no sign of them at this oint. ., . , ., them at this point. how many women and children — them at this point. how many women and children are _ them at this point. how many women and children are you _ them at this point. how many women and children are you missing? - them at this point. how many women and children are you missing? from l and children are you missing? from the qatari spokesman be heard from tonight, he says the next two days were largely be about women and children. maybe 20 of them coming out. do you have hopes there will be other people from the kibbutz who will come out?— will come out? hopefully. it's really heartbreaking - will come out? hopefully. it's really heartbreaking to - will come out? hopefully. it's really heartbreaking to see i will come out? hopefully. it's- really heartbreaking to see families here waiting — really heartbreaking to see families here waiting for— really heartbreaking to see families here waiting for loved _ really heartbreaking to see families here waiting for loved ones - really heartbreaking to see families here waiting for loved ones and - here waiting for loved ones and seeing — here waiting for loved ones and seeing families— here waiting for loved ones and seeing families torn _ here waiting for loved ones and seeing families torn apart. - here waiting for loved ones and seeing families torn apart. the| seeing families torn apart. the agreement— seeing families torn apart. the agreement was— seeing families torn apart. the agreement was knocked - seeing families torn apart. the agreement was knocked to - seeing families torn apart. the| agreement was knocked to tear seeing families torn apart. the - agreement was knocked to tear apart families, _ agreement was knocked to tear apart families, even— agreement was knocked to tear apart families, even in— agreement was knocked to tear apart families, even in this _ agreement was knocked to tear apart families, even in this exchange - agreement was knocked to tear apart families, even in this exchange of- families, even in this exchange of hostages — families, even in this exchange of hostages and _ families, even in this exchange of hostages and they— families, even in this exchange of hostages and they still— families, even in this exchange of hostages and they still brought i families, even in this exchange of. hostages and they still brought one daughter— hostages and they still brought one daughter back _ hostages and they still brought one daughter back without _ hostages and they still brought one daughter back without her- hostages and they still brought one daughter back without her mother. | hostages and they still brought one i daughter back without her mother. we are still— daughter back without her mother. we are still waiting — daughter back without her mother. we are still waiting for— daughter back without her mother. we are still waiting for 12— daughter back without her mother. we are still waiting for 12 of—

daughter back without her mother. we are still waiting for 12 of our— are still waiting for 12 of our community— are still waiting for 12 of our community people. - are still waiting for 12 of our community people. it- are still waiting for 12 of our community people.- are still waiting for 12 of our community people. it is such a bittersweet — community people. it is such a bittersweet day _ community people. it is such a bittersweet day everyday - community people. it is such a bittersweet day everyday and l community people. it is such a i bittersweet day everyday and the cruellest lottery. he will be on the list and he will not. how do you deal with the days as a group? what do you do? the deal with the days as a group? what do ou do? ., deal with the days as a group? what do ou do? . ., do you do? the great thing, i would not see great. _ do you do? the great thing, i would not see great, but _ do you do? the great thing, i would not see great, but living _ do you do? the great thing, i would not see great, but living here - do you do? the great thing, i would not see great, but living here we i not see great, but living here we live in _ not see great, but living here we live in as — not see great, but living here we live in as modern _ not see great, but living here we live in as modern refugees- not see great, but living here we live in as modern refugees as . not see great, but living here we live in as modern refugees as a i live in as modern refugees as a hotet — live in as modern refugees as a hotet the _ live in as modern refugees as a hotel. the only— live in as modern refugees as a hotel. the only thing _ live in as modern refugees as a hotel. the only thing we - live in as modern refugees as a hotel. the only thing we can i live in as modern refugees as a j hotel. the only thing we can do live in as modern refugees as a . hotel. the only thing we can do is support— hotel. the only thing we can do is support one — hotel. the only thing we can do is support one another— hotel. the only thing we can do is support one another and - hotel. the only thing we can do is support one another and that's i hotel. the only thing we can do isl support one another and that's the great _ support one another and that's the great thing — support one another and that's the great thing as _ support one another and that's the great thing as a _ support one another and that's the great thing as a community. - support one another and that's the great thing as a community. the . support one another and that's the . great thing as a community. the fact we are _ great thing as a community. the fact we are staying — great thing as a community. the fact we are staying together— great thing as a community. the fact we are staying together helping - great thing as a community. the fact we are staying together helping each other cope _ we are staying together helping each other cope with — we are staying together helping each other cope with this _ we are staying together helping each other cope with this is _ we are staying together helping each other cope with this is somewhat - other cope with this is somewhat using _ other cope with this is somewhat using the — other cope with this is somewhat using the fact _ other cope with this is somewhat using the fact that _ other cope with this is somewhat using the fact that we _ other cope with this is somewhat using the fact that we are - other cope with this is somewhat using the fact that we are still i using the fact that we are still very— using the fact that we are still very much— using the fact that we are still very much in— using the fact that we are still very much in pain. _ using the fact that we are still very much in pain. not- using the fact that we are still very much in pain. notjust i using the fact that we are stilll very much in pain. notjust the hostages, _ very much in pain. notjust the hostages, we _ very much in pain. notjust the hostages, we finished - very much in pain. notjust the hostages, we finished the - very much in pain. notjust the l hostages, we finished the month burying _ hostages, we finished the month burying 90 — hostages, we finished the month burying 90 people _ hostages, we finished the month burying 90 people of— hostages, we finished the month burying 90 people of our- hostages, we finished the month- burying 90 people of our community. not only— burying 90 people of our community. not only that — burying 90 people of our community. not only that we _ burying 90 people of our community. not only that we are _ burying 90 people of our community. not only that we are dealing - burying 90 people of our community. not only that we are dealing with - not only that we are dealing with this evil—

not only that we are dealing with this evil organisation _ not only that we are dealing with this evil organisation that - not only that we are dealing with this evil organisation that is - this evil organisation that is tearing _ this evil organisation that is tearing us _ this evil organisation that is tearing us apart. _ this evil organisation that is tearing us apart. it - this evil organisation that is tearing us apart. it is - this evil organisation that is tearing us apart. it is this . this evil organisation that is i tearing us apart. it is this cruel lottery— tearing us apart. it is this cruel lottery that _ tearing us apart. it is this cruel lottery that we _ tearing us apart. it is this cruel lottery that we do _ tearing us apart. it is this cruel lottery that we do not - tearing us apart. it is this cruel lottery that we do not know- tearing us apart. it is this crueli lottery that we do not know who tearing us apart. it is this cruel- lottery that we do not know who is alive and _ lottery that we do not know who is alive and who _ lottery that we do not know who is alive and who is _ lottery that we do not know who is alive and who is not _ lottery that we do not know who is alive and who is not an— lottery that we do not know who is alive and who is not an we - lottery that we do not know who is alive and who is not an we are - lottery that we do not know who is alive and who is not an we are not| alive and who is not an we are not getting _ alive and who is not an we are not getting any— alive and who is not an we are not getting any signals _ alive and who is not an we are not getting any signals from - alive and who is not an we are not getting any signals from them. i alive and who is not an we are not| getting any signals from them. tan getting any signals from them. can ou seak getting any signals from them. can you speak to _ getting any signals from them. you speak to the point matt gray give me tonight that it's one day for ten hostages and anything less is a slippery slope. what about the point that if you could get to a three or four out it's worth pausing for the good of the families. how do you group feel about that? mellor it is such a big question, we just want our families— is such a big question, we just want our families back. _ is such a big question, we just want our families back. seriously- is such a big question, we just want our families back. seriously want i our families back. seriously want families— our families back. seriously want families back, _ our families back. seriously want families back, we _ our families back. seriously want families back, we cannot- our families back. seriously want families back, we cannot even. families back, we cannot even imagine — families back, we cannot even imagine a _ families back, we cannot even imagine a life _ families back, we cannot even imagine a life without - families back, we cannot even imagine a life without them. i families back, we cannot even. imagine a life without them. and families back, we cannot even- imagine a life without them. and all of these _ imagine a life without them. and all of these questions _ imagine a life without them. and all of these questions about _ imagine a life without them. and all of these questions about do - imagine a life without them. and all of these questions about do we - imagine a life without them. and all. of these questions about do we agree or not— of these questions about do we agree or not agree — of these questions about do we agree or not agree is — of these questions about do we agree or not agree is so _ of these questions about do we agree or not agree is so big _ of these questions about do we agree or not agree is so big right _ of these questions about do we agree or not agree is so big right now- or not agree is so big right now

that— or not agree is so big right now that we — or not agree is so big right now that we cannot _ or not agree is so big right now that we cannot even _ or not agree is so big right now that we cannot even see - or not agree is so big right now that we cannot even see them. or not agree is so big right now. that we cannot even see them. in terms that we cannot even see them. terms of a resumption of the conflict, and the risk that poses, you would imagine because the hostages are in the tunnels we presume and in the south, how do people feel about that? it is presume and in the south, how do people feel about that?— people feel about that? it is very complicated _ people feel about that? it is very complicated and _ people feel about that? it is very complicated and i _ people feel about that? it is very complicated and i really - people feel about that? it is very complicated and i really can't - complicated and i really can't answer — complicated and i really can't answer that _ complicated and i really can't answer that because - complicated and i really can't answer that because on - complicated and i really can't answer that because on the i complicated and i really can't i answer that because on the one complicated and i really can't - answer that because on the one hand we need _ answer that because on the one hand we need to— answer that because on the one hand we need to to — answer that because on the one hand we need to to get _ answer that because on the one hand we need to to get our— answer that because on the one hand we need to to get our security- answer that because on the one hand we need to to get our security back. i we need to to get our security back. we can't _ we need to to get our security back. we can't go — we need to to get our security back. we can't go back— we need to to get our security back. we can't go back and _ we need to to get our security back. we can't go back and remain - we need to to get our security back. we can't go back and remain goal. we need to to get our security back. we can't go back and remain goal isj we can't go back and remain goal is to go— we can't go back and remain goal is to go back— we can't go back and remain goal is to go back to— we can't go back and remain goal is to go back to the _ we can't go back and remain goal is to go back to the kibbutz— we can't go back and remain goal is to go back to the kibbutz and - to go back to the kibbutz and rebuild — to go back to the kibbutz and rebuild it. _ to go back to the kibbutz and rebuild it, we _ to go back to the kibbutz and rebuild it, we cannot- to go back to the kibbutz and rebuild it, we cannot do- to go back to the kibbutz and rebuild it, we cannot do that| to go back to the kibbutz and . rebuild it, we cannot do that as long _ rebuild it, we cannot do that as long as — rebuild it, we cannot do that as long as hamas— rebuild it, we cannot do that as long as hamas is— rebuild it, we cannot do that as long as hamas is in— rebuild it, we cannot do that as long as hamas is in power- rebuild it, we cannot do that as- long as hamas is in power because we know it _ long as hamas is in power because we know it is _ long as hamas is in power because we know it is only— long as hamas is in power because we know it is only a — long as hamas is in power because we know it is only a matter _ long as hamas is in power because we know it is only a matter of _ long as hamas is in power because we know it is only a matter of time - know it is only a matter of time when _ know it is only a matter of time when they— know it is only a matter of time when they will _ know it is only a matter of time when they will do _ know it is only a matter of time when they will do something i know it is only a matter of time - when they will do something horrific like they— when they will do something horrific like they did — when they will do something horrific like they did on _ when they will do something horrific like they did on october— when they will do something horrific like they did on october the - when they will do something horrific like they did on october the 7th. - when they will do something horrific like they did on october the 7th. we know— like they did on october the 7th. we know that, — like they did on october the 7th. we knowthat. on— like they did on october the 7th. we know that, on the _ like they did on october the 7th. we know that, on the other— like they did on october the 7th. we know that, on the other hand, - like they did on october the 7th. we know that, on the other hand, we i like they did on october the 7th. we. know that, on the other hand, we are holding _ know that, on the other hand, we are holding hamas— know that, on the other hand, we are holding hamas responsible _ know that, on the other hand, we are holding hamas responsible for- know that, on the other hand, we are holding hamas responsible for the i holding hamas responsible for the lives of— holding hamas responsible for the lives of our— holding hamas responsible for the lives of our hostages. _ holding hamas responsible for the lives of our hostages. and - holding hamas responsible for the lives of our hostages. and i - holding hamas responsible for the lives of our hostages. and i think. lives of our hostages. and i think that complicated _ lives of our hostages. and i think that complicated question - lives of our hostages. and i think that complicated question is- lives of our hostages. and i think- that complicated question is whether we want _ that complicated question is whether we want to— that complicated question is whether we want to live — that complicated question is whether we want to live in _ that complicated question is whether we want to live in peace _ that complicated question is whether we want to live in peace but - that complicated question is whether we want to live in peace but we - that complicated question is whether we want to live in peace but we want| we want to live in peace but we want hostages _ we want to live in peace but we want hostages back— we want to live in peace but we want hostages back and _ we want to live in peace but we want hostages back and asking _ we want to live in peace but we want hostages back and asking the - hostages back and asking the question— hostages back and asking the question whether—

hostages back and asking the question whether we - hostages back and asking the question whether we can - hostages back and asking the question whether we can ask| hostages back and asking the - question whether we can ask whether the bombing. — question whether we can ask whether the bombing. it— question whether we can ask whether the bombing. it is— question whether we can ask whether the bombing, it is far— question whether we can ask whether the bombing, it is far beyond - question whether we can ask whether the bombing, it is far beyond our- the bombing, it is far beyond our comprehension. _ the bombing, it is far beyond our comprehension. [— the bombing, it is far beyond our comprehension.— the bombing, it is far beyond our comprehension. i understand that. it's a horrible _ comprehension. i understand that. it's a horrible situation _ comprehension. i understand that. it's a horrible situation and - comprehension. i understand that. it's a horrible situation and i - comprehension. i understand that. it's a horrible situation and i see i it's a horrible situation and i see to everyone who comes on, however sympathy with everything you going through. it is awful when you listen to these families because even if you are on the list on a particular day, there are 11 families are supposed to be who knew that their loved ones were on the list, a long pause and complication, and you can never dare to hope, can you? psychological torture hamas is making this as as possible. i think what the ambassador refer to is in many ways the least bad answer. if

there were good options they would have been taken at this point. to set a standard and try to get this done as expeditiously as possible and have the world see that hamas is the one who are dithering, trying to drag this out, israel is acting in good faith is possibly the best they can do. ., ,., . good faith is possibly the best they can do. ., . ., , can do. two important interventions i want to can do. two important interventions i want to get — can do. two important interventions i want to get you — can do. two important interventions i want to get you tonight, _ can do. two important interventions i want to get you tonight, importantj i want to get you tonight, important by andrew mitchell the development minister, concerned the israelis are trying to kettle palestinians into small isolated areas, safe zones, we have seen this before, the danger of heading people into safe zones and heading people into safe zones and he want assurances from the israelis that those areas would be off—limits. what do you make of that intervention? it is off-limits. what do you make of that intervention?— intervention? it is very striking to hear the members _ intervention? it is very striking to hear the members of _ intervention? it is very striking to hear the members of the - intervention? it is very striking to - hear the members of the government say that— hear the members of the government say that first and foremost and i think— say that first and foremost and i think it —

say that first and foremost and i think it speaks to two points. firstly— think it speaks to two points. firstly the need for safe to mean safe _ firstly the need for safe to mean safe it's — firstly the need for safe to mean safe. it's important andrew mitchell raises _ safe. it's important andrew mitchell raises the _ safe. it's important andrew mitchell raises the possibility that safe might— raises the possibility that safe might not be as safe as some people might— might not be as safe as some people might think. secondly the fact you are crowding a huge number of people into an _ are crowding a huge number of people into an ever— are crowding a huge number of people into an ever smaller space within gaza _ into an ever smaller space within gaza it — into an ever smaller space within gaza it is — into an ever smaller space within gaza. it is going to cause enormous problems— gaza. it is going to cause enormous problems for the relief agencies and in terms _ problems for the relief agencies and in terms of— problems for the relief agencies and in terms of the potential spread of disease, _ in terms of the potential spread of disease, overcrowding and so on. given— disease, overcrowding and so on. given the — disease, overcrowding and so on. given the staunch support for israeli — given the staunch support for israeli government has given i was surprised — israeli government has given i was surprised he said it but he made good _ surprised he said it but he made good points about the humanitarian problems— good points about the humanitarian problems that will arise of the population are herded or kettle as he put _ population are herded or kettle as he put it— population are herded or kettle as he put it into a small geographical zone _ he put it into a small geographical zone. , . ~' he put it into a small geographical zone. , . ~ ,, . he put it into a small geographical zone. ~ ,, . . he put it into a small geographical zone. jake sullivan made broadly similar points — zone. jake sullivan made broadly similar points that _ zone. jake sullivan made broadly similar points that he _ zone. jake sullivan made broadly similar points that he wants - zone. jake sullivan made broadly similar points that he wants to i zone. jake sullivan made broadly i similar points that he wants to hear a plan for the israel government for those citizens in the south and how they will be kept safe. the other thing interesting today, the eu

foreign policy chief has been fiercely critical of the israeli government for allocating new money, $42 million, for the building of illegal settlements, this is what he said. the violence spread by israeli settlers in the west bank under protection for the israeli police and military does not make israel safer, the settlements are as real�*s greatest security liability. there you have joe greatest security liability. there you havejoe biden talking about the future of a two—state solution and yet during the war, the israeli government changing the facts on the ground. i government changing the facts on the round. ~ , �* ground. i think president biden should be a _ ground. i think president biden should be a little _ ground. i think president biden should be a little bit _ ground. i think president biden should be a little bit more - ground. i think president biden - should be a little bit more cautious with promises of a two—state solution given the crisis hamas perpetuated on october the 7th. i don't think it's a productive topic to bring up now. and in terms of the israelite settlements, that is an internal israeli decision for them to take and i don't know that it is really the business of the eu in this particular case. it is really the business of the eu in this particular case.— this particular case. it is on

occupied — this particular case. it is on occupied land, _ this particular case. it is on occupied land, it— this particular case. it is on occupied land, it is- this particular case. it is on occupied land, it is illegal. this particular case. it is on - occupied land, it is illegal under the united nations charter. she did not be roundly condemned in a time when everyone is wholly condemning hamas, should we not have condemnation and more settling in a time that creates more instability in the west bank and they are trying to contain the conflict solely to gaza? .. , to contain the conflict solely to gaza? , ., �* ~' ,, gaza? sadly i don't think everyone has been roundly _ gaza? sadly i don't think everyone has been roundly condemning - gaza? sadly i don't think everyone has been roundly condemning ofi gaza? sadly i don't think everyone - has been roundly condemning of hamas and the has been broad condemnation of israel from the very beginning of this conflict and again in my opinion, that's an internal israeli decision. i opinion, that's an internal israeli decision. ~ ., opinion, that's an internal israeli decision. ~ . , decision. i think have been condemning _ decision. i think have been condemning hamas. - decision. i think have been condemning hamas. it's i decision. i think have been - condemning hamas. it's possible on the one _ condemning hamas. it's possible on the one hand to abhor what hamas did on the _ the one hand to abhor what hamas did on the seventh and at the same time be slightly— on the seventh and at the same time be slightly worried about what the israelis _ be slightly worried about what the israelis are doing in the west bank. not only— israelis are doing in the west bank. not only because it breaches international law but also because what we _ international law but also because what we all want to see all to ultimately is stability and

stability will involve finding a way for israelis and palestinians to coexist — for israelis and palestinians to coexist which will require palestinians to have some king of territory — palestinians to have some king of territory of — palestinians to have some king of territory of their own. we palestinians to have some king of territory of their own.— territory of their own. we will leave that — territory of their own. we will leave that there. _ what is the tory party's policy for dealing with record net migration? reports today the conservatives have drawn up a five—point plan, including tighter visa rules and a minimum salary threshold. but will we have the people we need if we curb the number of migrant workers arriving? the government's top adviser warned today it could have a "dangerous" impact on social care which is already suffering chronic shortages. stay with us. you are watching bbc news. around the world and across the uk. health officials say someone in the uk has been infected by a strain of flu, similar to the viruses spreading in pigs. it is the first time this strain has been detected in the uk and close contacts are now being traced.

the person affected had respiratory symptoms but has now fully recovered. it is the first time this strain has been detected in the uk and close contacts are now being traced. the person affected had respiratory symptoms but has now fully recovered. investigations are under way into the source of the infection. the tobacco company, bat, is calling for "more stringent" regulations on vaping, including a ban on flavours based on desserts or sweets that could appeal to children. it says the products should be licensed in the same way as alcohol or cigarettes. the uk government is already considering regulations over concerns that many young people are vaping. a new independent adviser has been announced to provide better support for victims of major disasters in england and wales. the ministry ofjustice says the independent public advocate will offer faster help to survivors of major incidents, like the grenfell tower fire and the manchester arena bombing. you're live with bbc news. the british prime minister denies that he struck a deal with suella braverman to toughen up migration rules in exchange for her support when he was running to be leader. the daily telegraph says it's seen a copy of a plan, which includes a pledge to increase

the salary, that migrants would have to earn to enter the uk. those close to rishi sunak say there was a general policy discussion at the time but no agreement on specific proposals. revised figures published last week, revealed that net migration was at 745,000 in 2022 a new record. today, during home office questions, the uk minister for immigration robertjenrick set out what the government proposes to do about it. firstly, we believe that the level of legal migration into this country is far too high and has very profound impacts upon access to public services, upon the productivity of our economy and about the ability of the uk to be a socially cohesive and united country. and that is why we need to take action. we have already announced a specific policy in respect to dependents, which comes into force at the beginning of next year. we think that will have a substantive impact upon the levels of net migration,

but as the prime minister has said, we are keeping all options under review and we will take further action as required. but while the home secretary was making his statement to the house, the prime minister was addressing a meeting of top investors at hampton court palace, where the message appeared somewhat different. mr sunak said that generous visa rules made britain the "best country in the world" for businesses and that liberal border restrictions, especially for graduates, were essential for economic growth. we don't have a monopoly on talent in this country. i |and we recognise that nearly halfj of our most innovative companies have an immigrant founder. so if you're an innovator— or an entrepreneur or a researcher, you should know that the most i competitive visa regime for highly skilled international talent is right here in the uk. - and let me just give you one example. i our new high—potential individual |visa means that if you're a young j person who's graduated from a global - top—50 university, you canjust-

come to the uk and stay— here with your family for two years tojust explore, - work, study, invent. let's speak to our political correspondent peter saull at westminster. has further antagonise those on the right but i wonder if both things can be true, net migration has to come down while at the same time the uk continues to operate a competitive visa system? that's alwa s competitive visa system? that's always going _ competitive visa system? that's always going to _ competitive visa system? that's always going to be _ competitive visa system? that's always going to be the _ competitive visa system? that's always going to be the tension l competitive visa system? that's - always going to be the tension when you cut migration, we cannot fill vacancies, you have an nhs which says we need more doctors and nurses. that kind of goes to the heart of the debate happening at the top of government right now. there is an acknowledgement across—the—board even in the treasury which is of course responsible for setting an economic policy that those numbers need to come down and in the 2016 brexit referendum people voted for tighter controls on migration. the

government has all of those levers in place to bring it down. the debate raging is about not whether they should bring down the numbers but how they actually do it. there was supposedly according to allies of suella braverman the deal struck with the prime minister, she wanted for example the minimum salary threshold around £26,000 a year to go threshold around £26,000 a year to 9° up threshold around £26,000 a year to go up to £40,000. she wanted a cap on some types of workers. she was talking about only allowing students to go to the very top universities from abroad into the uk. rishi sunak today also in that speech said we need to do more but highlighted measures they have taken, for example to limit the number of dependents students can bring over to the uk. that will feed into next year's figures but at the moment they are i watering lehi for a party which has consistently promised to bring them down.—

which has consistently promised to brina them down. . ~ , ., , . bring them down. thank you very much for that. bring them down. thank you very much for that- the — bring them down. thank you very much for that. the slogan _ bring them down. thank you very much for that. the slogan is _ bring them down. thank you very much for that. the slogan is stop _ bring them down. thank you very much for that. the slogan is stop the - for that. the slogan is stop the boats and ironically when you look at the figures they have even though they have only limited power to do this, they have somewhat successful in bringing the numbers down yet the impression it has left in the public is that they are not tough on migration because net migration is at a record high which is something they do have power to control. i think it's important not to align these _ think it's important not to align these things too much. there's the question— these things too much. there's the question of— these things too much. there's the question of the small boats crossing which _ question of the small boats crossing which is _ question of the small boats crossing which is the asylum seekers and refugees— which is the asylum seekers and refugees trying to get in the uk. there, _ refugees trying to get in the uk. there, the — refugees trying to get in the uk. there, the government has a problem because _ there, the government has a problem because numbers are down, it's quite hard to— because numbers are down, it's quite hard to see _ because numbers are down, it's quite hard to see how the government brings— hard to see how the government brings them right down. rishi sunak has talked _ brings them right down. rishi sunak has talked of stopping the boats. there _ has talked of stopping the boats. there is— has talked of stopping the boats. there is one set of problems that is quite _ there is one set of problems that is quite hard _ there is one set of problems that is quite hard to deal with. the other set of— quite hard to deal with. the other set of problems is the fact that the prime _ set of problems is the fact that the prime minister is under pressure for this net— prime minister is under pressure for this net migration figure of over 700,000 — this net migration figure of over 700,000 which is really interesting because _ 700,000 which is really interesting because migration in this sense is at the _

because migration in this sense is at the level— because migration in this sense is at the level it is that because of government policy. it is government that decides who gets a visa who can come _ that decides who gets a visa who can come and _ that decides who gets a visa who can come and work and so 700,000 net is a result— come and work and so 700,000 net is a result of— come and work and so 700,000 net is a result of the policies the government has put in place. it's worth— government has put in place. it's worth splitting this up a bit. some of it is— worth splitting this up a bit. some of it is due — worth splitting this up a bit. some of it is due to short—term things that will— of it is due to short—term things that will not repeat so ukrainians because — that will not repeat so ukrainians because of the war, people from hong kong, _ because of the war, people from hong kong, what's happening in hong kong, those are _ kong, what's happening in hong kong, those are two special groups that will pump— those are two special groups that will pump up the numbers and we can e>

of course investors want to know there's a pool of talent if they want to bring money here. the governor of the bank of england was in newcastle to the inside if you look at the potential growth rates the supply chain of the economy has slowed, it concerns me a lot, which is why this new investment is so important. that's the balance prime minister is trying to strike when you have got this anaemic growth. it is a very thorny issue. we struggle with it _ is a very thorny issue. we struggle with it here — is a very thorny issue. we struggle with it here and _ is a very thorny issue. we struggle with it here and we _ is a very thorny issue. we struggle with it here and we have _ is a very thorny issue. we struggle with it here and we have that - is a very thorny issue. we struggle with it here and we have that as i is a very thorny issue. we struggle. with it here and we have that as the bifurcated _ with it here and we have that as the bifurcated types _ with it here and we have that as the bifurcated types of _ with it here and we have that as the bifurcated types of immigration - with it here and we have that as the bifurcated types of immigration we i bifurcated types of immigration we are trying — bifurcated types of immigration we are trying to — bifurcated types of immigration we are trying to encourage _ bifurcated types of immigration we are trying to encourage on - are trying to encourage on one—handed, _ are trying to encourage on one—handed, lower- are trying to encourage onj one—handed, lower skilled are trying to encourage on - one—handed, lower skilled workers primarily, — one—handed, lower skilled workers primarily, agriculture _ one—handed, lower skilled workers primarily, agriculture for— one—handed, lower skilled workers primarily, agriculture for example, j primarily, agriculture for example, we need _ primarily, agriculture for example, we need more _ primarily, agriculture for example, we need more of— primarily, agriculture for example, we need more of quite _ primarily, agriculture for example, we need more of quite frankly- primarily, agriculture for example, we need more of quite frankly and| primarily, agriculture for example, i we need more of quite frankly and of course _ we need more of quite frankly and of course people — we need more of quite frankly and of course people want _ we need more of quite frankly and of course people want to _ we need more of quite frankly and of course people want to attract - we need more of quite frankly and of course people want to attract the - course people want to attract the hi-h course people want to attract the high innovator— course people want to attract the high innovator types _ course people want to attract the high innovator types then - course people want to attract the high innovator types then you - course people want to attract the | high innovator types then you get the conflict — high innovator types then you get the conflict what _ high innovator types then you get the conflict what he _ high innovator types then you get the conflict what he was - high innovator types then you get the conflict what he was saying i the conflict what he was saying about — the conflict what he was saying about going _ the conflict what he was saying about going to _ the conflict what he was saying about going to a _ the conflict what he was saying about going to a top _ the conflict what he was saying about going to a top 50 - the conflict what he was saying - about going to a top 50 universities you and _ about going to a top 50 universities you and your— about going to a top 50 universities

you and your are _ about going to a top 50 universities you and your are welcome, - about going to a top 50 universities you and your are welcome, i- you and your are welcome, i understand _ you and your are welcome, i understand part _ you and your are welcome, i understand part of - you and your are welcome, i understand part of the - you and your are welcome, i. understand part of the brother you and your are welcome, i- understand part of the brother when proposal— understand part of the brother when proposal was— understand part of the brother when proposal was not— understand part of the brother when proposal was not having _ understand part of the brother when proposal was not having dependents be able _ proposal was not having dependents be able to _ proposal was not having dependents be able to come _ proposal was not having dependents be able to come in— proposal was not having dependents be able to come in but— proposal was not having dependents be able to come in but that - proposal was not having dependents be able to come in but that was - proposal was not having dependents| be able to come in but that was seen as a kind _ be able to come in but that was seen as a kind of— be able to come in but that was seen as a kind of ballooning _ be able to come in but that was seen as a kind of ballooning effect- be able to come in but that was seen as a kind of ballooning effect on- as a kind of ballooning effect on immigration _ as a kind of ballooning effect on immigration i_ as a kind of ballooning effect on immigration. ithink— as a kind of ballooning effect on immigration. i think certain - as a kind of ballooning effect on immigration. i think certain the| immigration. i think certain the conservatives— immigration. i think certain the conservatives need _ immigration. i think certain the conservatives need to - immigration. i think certain the conservatives need to get - immigration. i think certain the conservatives need to get theirj conservatives need to get their story— conservatives need to get their story straight _ conservatives need to get their story straight on _ conservatives need to get their story straight on this _ conservatives need to get their story straight on this if - conservatives need to get their story straight on this if they. conservatives need to get their| story straight on this if they are going _ story straight on this if they are going to — story straight on this if they are going to develop _ story straight on this if they are going to develop a _ story straight on this if they are going to develop a coherent - story straight on this if they are i going to develop a coherent policy that will— going to develop a coherent policy that will be — going to develop a coherent policy that will be convincing _ going to develop a coherent policy that will be convincing to - going to develop a coherent policy that will be convincing to the - that will be convincing to the british— that will be convincing to the british people, _ that will be convincing to the british people, just - that will be convincing to the british people, just as - that will be convincing to the british people, just as we . that will be convincing to the i british people, just as we have that will be convincing to the - british people, just as we have that same _ british people, just as we have that same problem _ british people, just as we have that same problem here _ british people, just as we have that same problem here in— british people, just as we have that same problem here in the - british people, just as we have that same problem here in the united i same problem here in the united states _ same problem here in the united states. intimate _ same problem here in the united states. intimate the _ same problem here in the united states. intimate the other- same problem here in the united i states. intimate the other problem is, we _ states. intimate the other problem is, we are — states. intimate the other problem is, we are getting _ states. intimate the other problem is, we are getting older, _ states. intimate the other problem is, we are getting older, in- states. intimate the other problem is, we are getting older, in fact - states. intimate the other problem is, we are getting older, in fact we| is, we are getting older, in fact we all are, _ is, we are getting older, in fact we allare, there — is, we are getting older, in fact we allare, there is— is, we are getting older, in fact we all are, there is a _ is, we are getting older, in fact we allare, there is a new— is, we are getting older, in fact we all are, there is a new report - all are, there is a new report coming — all are, there is a new report coming out _ it shows the uk population is on course to grey at an extraordinary rate. the share of people aged 65 and above will be one quarter of the population by 2040, it was 5% when the state pension was introduced in 1908. and that will quadruple within 50 yeas the cost of pensions, medicine and health and social care. to offset the impact of the ageing population, the uk economy needs to grow by 2.9pc every year. on present trends, growth will average an annual rate ofjust 1.4pc in the next 5 years according to the office for budget responsibility.

who is going to drive the economy? is a really interesting report that says by— is a really interesting report that says by 2043 the world economy will start to _ says by 2043 the world economy will start to shrink in absolute terms on that question of how you pay for an increasingly ageing and of course i would _ increasingly ageing and of course i would expectation as people will continue — would expectation as people will continue to live longer is new and improved — continue to live longer is new and improved and presumably more expensive treatments are invented. so the _ expensive treatments are invented. so the cost — expensive treatments are invented. so the cost of things like health care might well go up, it's an absolute _ care might well go up, it's an absolute problem for policymakers. the other— absolute problem for policymakers. the other problem is the older are disproportionately powerful. i think isaw— disproportionately powerful. i think i saw something that says this might be the _ i saw something that says this might be the first— i saw something that says this might be the first election where the over 55 are _ be the first election where the over 55 are in— be the first election where the over 55 are in the majority in terms of those _ 55 are in the majority in terms of those who— 55 are in the majority in terms of those who vote, so i have to say, with _ those who vote, so i have to say, with every— those who vote, so i have to say, with every passing year i fear more

empathy— with every passing year i fear more empathy for the over 60s. i'm not sure _ empathy for the over 60s. i'm not sure why— empathy for the over 60s. i'm not sure why that is. but there is a political— sure why that is. but there is a political and economic dilemma. the sheer— political and economic dilemma. the sheer political weight of all the people — sheer political weight of all the people in our system because of our demography and turnip trends and the second _ demography and turnip trends and the second is— demography and turnip trends and the second is someone is going to have to pay— second is someone is going to have to pay for— second is someone is going to have to pay for us— second is someone is going to have to pay for us when we retire and there _ to pay for us when we retire and there simply are not enough young people _ there simply are not enough young people to — there simply are not enough young people to do it which takes us back to the _ people to do it which takes us back to the discussion about immigration earlier~ _ to the discussion about immigration earlier~ |t— to the discussion about immigration earlier. , , ., . ., ., earlier. it seems to me a lot of western governments - earlier. it seems to me a lot of western governments are - earlier. it seems to me a lot of. western governments are playing earlier. it seems to me a lot of- western governments are playing the same game right now, to ease the cost of living live at the same time cutting debt and public spending, all well and good, so long as there is growth. all well and good, so long as there is urowth. ., v , all well and good, so long as there is urowth. . �*, , ., . is growth. that's why economic urowth is is growth. that's why economic growth is the — is growth. that's why economic growth is the driver _ is growth. that's why economic growth is the driver of - is growth. that's why economic growth is the driver of this. - is growth. that's why economic growth is the driver of this. we j is growth. that's why economic - growth is the driver of this. we are having terrible problems with inflation which are sapping that and creating trouble for us. but what you're talking about in terms of the pension system is very much the kind of debate happening in the united states over the increased services that we are providing to the

unfettered flow of migrants. we have here in the states. the pressure thatis here in the states. the pressure that is putting on local economies is preventing therefore being the kinds of services american citizens and is have come to expect, just like british citizens. this is definitely a looming problem, one of the reasons congress here is trying to wrap their brains around the real fiscal situation we are facing so we're not running into a similar problem with social security. find running into a similar problem with social security.— social security. and and is older than me in _ social security. and and is older than me in case _ social security. and and is older than me in case you _ social security. and and is older than me in case you were - social security. and and is older- than me in case you were wondering. i'm not sure he is actually. we will take a short break and come back with the situation in ukraine. stay with the situation in ukraine. stay with us. hello there. it may have been a little less cold today, but earlier on, there was quite a bit of rain around. over the next few days, things are changing again because we're back into something drier. barring the odd wintry shower,

we're back into colder air again, and that means more frost overnight. now, this area of low pressure, the weather front and cloud wrapped around it brought the earlier rain. that's been moving south eastwards, now heading out into the continent, where we'll see more snow falling, particularly for the alps. and then following that low pressure, we're going to tap into colder air that will move back down from the north in the next few days. there's a north—easterly breeze, though, picking up for a while overnight. that's going to blow in more showers off the north sea, push them into england, perhaps towards wales, a few wintry ones coming into northern scotland. but the rest of scotland, northern ireland and, later on, the north of england will have clearer sky. so, a frost more likely here, whereas further south, there's going to be a bit more cloud around. that cloud will break up during tomorrow morning. there still could be one or two light showers in the south—west. and we've got a couple of bands of showers with some snow over the hills moving down across scotland.

but for many parts of the uk, may well be a dry day on tuesday. more sunshine than today, but it's just a little bit colder — temperatures of 5—7 degrees. and with those clearer skies and light winds, temperatures will fall away very quickly after dark. and we're looking at widespread frost, as we head through tuesday night, wednesday morning, —4 or —5 perhaps across some parts of scotland. now, we should have clearer skies and light winds because that area of low pressure is moving south through the north sea. it will bring a few more wintry showers into wednesday across northern parts of scotland and near these north sea coasts. there could be even a bit of snow over the north york moors and into the cheviots, too. but otherwise, again, generally dry. a lot of sunshine around light winds, but after that frosty start, it's going to be a bit colder, temperatures perhaps no higher than two degrees in glasgow, for example. now, the forecast for later in the week was causing us a few headaches, but it looks more likely now that this area of low pressure is going to steer to the south of the uk. so, the threat of significant snow is reduced, but of course, if the low is further north into the colder air, we could be back into a snowy story. but with a low to the south, we're going to tap into much colder air that's going to move

down all the way from scandinavia. goodbye.

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